The Human Rights Act, workers rights etc. isn't what prevented the Tories from fixing the NHS. The NHS didn't need fixing when they got in power, they're the ones who broke it and it was their plan all along. They did achieve that, and many other such results that enriched some people, they just can't campaign on it.
Not every leaf that falls is the fault of the Tories. Life's a bag of 💩. The Tories came to power right after the 2008 banking crash, which left us - if memory serves - over £1 trillion in debt. Then we had Brexit (thanks guys) followed by Covid. This country is on its knees, and things will get worse before they get better.
The NHS has been broken for decades, it doesnt magically work when new Labour are in power, but it has got worse under the Tories. However it wont get any better under Keir either, as he is a Red tory. There is no chance of any significant improvement until a socialist government gets elected.
I feel really sorry for her father who is a pure mathematician at the University of Leeds. She has completely rejected her family and her upbringing for her endless desire to get more power.
He's also a Labour Party supporter. He must be pratty ashamed of her. I gather he refused to campaign for her when she first stood as a Tory candidate.
Unfortunately, she appears to be quite popular with her constituents. Of course, I’d be VERY happy to be wrong about that. If you have any evidence to cheer me up, please share. Best wishes
@@robertcottam8824I suspect the Conservative Party is popular with her constituents. Like in my constituency, you could put a blue floret on a pig and they’d get elected.
I don't understand this at all? Truss' Premiership was a toal disaster, a car crash. We're still paying the economic price for her short lived debacle of a tenure. She's deeply un-popular ... un-tested at the polls.. a laughing stock even? She doesn't perform well in front of the camera, she's not likeable... her policies, such as they are, failed in real time. They weren't theories.. they were implemented and caused chaos. How did we not have a GE after her resignation is beyond me.. She should (and could) lose her seat at the next GE. Yet she is paraded here in front of these goons as some kind of political savant.. with all the answers. What kind of alternate reality do these people inhabit?!!!
and seemingly another idea floated from this cesspit of idiocy is bringing back that other toxic shock of a figure Johnson... ?!! WTF? I completely despair... I hope the 'right' in this country, in all it's horrendous poisenous flavours turns in on itself, splinters into horrible little factions and never gets anywhere near 'power' ever again... however by 2030 they'll be back in 'power'.. or at best 2034... @@MarkPTP7000
She’s safe, I’m afraid. She’s already been reselected in a very safe seat. Of course, Sunak could expel her from the party but… He ain’t going to do that, is he?
I know the area very very rural lot of retirees best chance to get rid is for Labour to tactically let the Lib Dems attract the disaffected Cons voters (me) and the Labour element as a default they will get her on her bike otherwise. Time for the local parties and national party to have a discussion. Anywhere can be turned look at all the Labour heartlands that went blue Workington for instance.
Her seat had a 4.2% majority over Labour in 1997. Had LibDem voters voted tactically there back then, Labour would have won. Since 2001 there have been increasing Tory majorities in the seat, culminating in a whopping 69% of the vote for Truss in 2019. A 50% lead over Labour 😬
"...they like authenticity" - so how did we end up with Johnson? People may have wanted to believe his enthusiasm to "Get Brexit Done", but did anyone really think that he was authentic?
"Authenticity" is a bit like "honesty". People tend - quite wrongly - to assume that someone who tells them what they already think is true is being "honest" and "authentic". This tendency is unfortunately all the stronger when what is being said goes against a consensus - the mere fact that lots of people disagree make people who hold the alternative view feel like brave, independent thinkers whereas quite often most people disagree with them because they're wrong...
30p Lee getting the laughs there... but he was the only one not aware that what he was saying was hilarious... the sort of thing a comedian doing a parody of an ignorant, aging, right winger would say. He's making Stewart Lee's job really, really difficult by being so far beyond parody you can't joke about it anymore because what used to regarded as ridiculous is now just the sort of thing Conservatives actually believe.
That girl in the class that had the complete Oxford Stationery set but would never let you borrow her protractor yet still ended up getting worse GCSE results. That's Liz Truss that is
This is hilarious. "Can we reset the clock, pretend the last 13 years haven't happened, try to rebrand ourselves, blame it all on Blair and start again? Please. Pretty please?" If anyone falls for this they deserve everything they get. Fantastic fun, brilliantly dissected. I shall definitely be back to have another look at this, it's hilarious. Thanks Anoosh, Rachel and Freddie.
I wish people can clock the idea that just because Sunak might be a technocrat, it doesn't make him a moral person. What you're good at has nothing to do with your moral character. Sunak has demonstrated time and time again that he is as greedy, mendacious and amoral as Johnson.
The other tragedy about all this is the climate emergency requires a coordinated supranational response. This is the very worst time to go back to nationalism as nationalism in the presence of limited resources, just leads to warfare.
These crooks wouldn't go into politics if there was even the remotest chance of them being held accountable for their well-planned schemes. The fact that the Tory Party even exists is proof of how corrupt the British Establishment is.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. PopCon is all about the fight for the party later, I found the points about Tories not being able to list off much they achieved apart from Brexit and Academies in 14 years says it all.
the thing is that a lot of the goals they set out to do and have achieved are things they cant talk about in public. Like the massive increase in wealth of the rich and increase in inequality, the crippling of government run public services forcing people to turn to private alternatives, massive increase in white collar fraud and government corruption, etc. Those are all things that have benefited them and their friends and funders personally and help further their goal of gathering economic and therefore political power into the hands of the few and away from working people. But thats all stuff they have to keep on the down low.
Ah, so Liz "I took my brain out and put it on the coffee table for a conversation piece" Truss is back. She looks like she is on meds...sort of tastefully disheveled this time.
I actually think she must be on some kind of mood enhancers-how else to explain her total detachment from reality,most everyone else would disappeared from public life after her disasterous spell as PM yet here she is back again as if nothing had happened,bizzare!
Look at what the popcons are railing against - human rights, racial equality, the independent judiciary. This tells us all everything we need to know about what the popcons really want to do. Old school fascism with a new face.
I just wonder why cant they just do their jobs instead of going off on these side quests. I sometimes feel the public dont get their moneysworth out of some MPs
Labour should cross the rubicon, and legislate for PR in national elections, that will fragment the Tory Party, and allow the party to evolve into a progressive social Democratic Party, which it basically is, by allowing the Socialist element to seek an independent mandate outside of the Labour Party. The coalitions of the 20th century represented by our two party system is not the future.
There's a lot to that, but the least likely time for this to happen is when one of the two main parties is on the verge of a massive election victory. If Blair had a majority of 30 rather than 170+ we might have got PR after 1997.
I absolutely *love* these insightful conversations between Anoosh, Rachel and Freddy. Would it be possible to have a full 30+ minute podcast uploaded each week?
~13:00 on the coexistence of communitarianism and libertarianism, it is coherent if you are a Victorian: communitarianism in social norms (social conservatism) + libertarianism in the economy (neoliberalism). That was Thatcher. The debate among the National Conservatives is whether to maintain this hybrid or to jettison the economic libertarianism and embrace protectionist, welfare chauvinism.
Popular?!! Politicians here and the USA have really sunk to incredibly low levels. In the USA, there is the choice between a doddery, elderly, pre-dementia individual and a narcissistic fascist. Some choice. Here in the UK there are the usual incompetents and narcissists who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power,. Currently the Labour narcissistic incompetents are marginally preferable to the Tory narcissistic incompetents. Some choice. BTW, none of the other parties are any better than the big two when it comes to low calibre politicians.
As Billy Connolly once said ' as popular as a fart in a space suit'. I would rather have the space suit with said fart. Rather than the fart that is Truss.
I've voted Tory since 2010 and I think Liz Truss is mad and "Popular Conservatives" are complete loony tunes... They are the equivalent of Momentum in Labour as far as I'm concerned. As someone that leans Tory I prefer Starmer and Reeves at this point. The Tories need to move with the times and realise that there is going to have to be more state involvement in some parts of the economy more going forward, this is what many big business people are even comfortable with now. And the hard left and hard right are as bad as each other on the culture war stuff, one side wants to "decolonise" everything and the other side think anyone that recognises there is racism and bigotry still in society is a raging Marxist.
If you are a Norwegian citizen right now. You are the most wealthy, most democratic most publicly funded, most likely to live longer, and most probably, giving your children the best life on this planet. Why? Because of decade-long sustainable investment in the people of Norway.
All three of those people would be considered not part of the "IN" group at Eton. I did not go to a private school. And if these people were at my school, they would be considered as dorks or nerds. There is nothing wrong with being dorky or a nerd. But be it Eton or a public school, i think all of them did not fit. They are not supposed to be speaking in public at all. 18 century Mogg, 2p Lee and Trump hands Lizz should not be in the public arena at all. They all have accute social anxieties. It's not good for a pub or public speaking. Feel sorry for them.
Did "The lettuce" accept the pension for a life for the 46 Days (had 30 days off with Queen related stuff) in the job ... she is always banging on about unaffordable benefits ... well I think that it is one she could have demonstrated to the nation by refusing, I have not checked, but I bet she ain't ...
I deplore Liz Truss and what she did in her 49 days in power, but she is not drawing a pension. She has access to an account of about £100k to recoup expenses incurred because of her having been prime minister. This account was established when Thatcher resigned, and I understand that Truss has claimed about £23,000 to date, probably most on travel expenses to speak to American right-wing think tanks.
Can I just say how (sadly) refreshing it is to hear people on my own political side of the aisle talking so evenly on the opinions of people on the other side of the aisle? It was just so nice to hear acknowledgements of when the Tories, or subsets of them, have a point on certain matters. So often when I see a politic debate on television, or even an interview, it feels like political discourse has devolved into a war of 'evil' versus 'virtuous', when actually what it should be is different people expressing different priorities and trying to come to a consensus between them that assuages the concerns of all parties. I think that's a brutal condemnation on the state of news media and political debate today, granted, but it is also something that has instantly made me hit subscribe. I don't mean to make this sound like it is a specific problem of the left, incidentally, it's just that I try to hold myself and any group I might be a part of to as high standards as possible. I can't do much about the right wing, because it is always easier to persuade within groups than without of them. From my experience the Tories actually brought this toxic culture in from the US around the turn of the millennium and just like it already had in the US, the left started to reply in kind. We've been trapped in a sort of death spiral ever since. So, as I said, it was really nice to come across this discussion. On that note, actually, as regards Sunak's gaffes, I don't think the 'define a woman' thing can be counted as one. If you look at public perception of the question of 'what is a (wo)man', it is very clear-cut. It's only a very fringe group that thinks biological sex is 'assigned' as opposed to a biological fact. That's how the words 'woman' and 'man' have been defined for almost the entirety of human history - certainly in our specific culture. I would actually argue it is only a small but vociferous voice of people who would self-identify as being pro-trans, too. (My personal position is that I can't even define what being trans would be without being able to define a man and a woman, given that gender dysmorphia is by definition when the mind's self identification of what their sex should be is different to the physical reality of the body's. Empathy means that I can understand just how horrible a situation that must be, and therefore it makes me want to support people who have gender dysphoria. Indeed, it's the idea of that agonising disconnect between the actual and the perceived that evokes that feeling within me. I personally have some mental health issues (to keep it vague), and I know how it feels to feel deep down in your core that you have been 'made wrong', to put as simply and bluntly as possible. That if you had had a creator; they must have skipped over an important detail or entered a 1 when it should have been a 7 in your coding. It's hard to put into words how that makes you feel, especially without my going into specifics as to my issues. But trust me, it's not nice.) What I have felt the perception is when I've put my toe in the water in dialogues on the matter - particularly with those who aren't specifically interested in trans matters, but also those who are but are centrists or on the right - is that it was maybe a tad unfortunate timing, and they have sympathy for Brianna Ghey's mother (and anyone else who is in such a situation)... but that doesn't change the fact that Sunak is right. I definitely feel there is a tendency for humans - and in this case, specifically, those of us on the left - to fall into the trap of listening to those people who have the loudest voices, and forget about the people who choose to remain silent on subjects. It's why Starmer's position has been slightly damaging for him, and the Tories regularly try to bring it up - because it is one of the few areas they know they have the majority support on. (Of course, it is such an unimportant issue compared to the myriad of faults they find with the Tories at the moment that it doesn't really matter.) They wouldn't bring it up so regularly if they knew it wouldn't work in their favour. It's one of the few things they can throw at him that sticks. Which is a rather rambly way of saying that it was only a gaffe for people who there is already absolutely no chance of voting for him.
MPs are literally only supposed to be mouthpieces for their constituents and represent their constituents’ views in debates / votes. Having these grandiose visions and hunger for power are not part of the job description.
‘Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.’ Edmund Burke
@@clarecrawford9677 Edmund Burke is a famous critic of democracy of the people - he believed that the ordinary man did not possess the reasoning skills or intelligence required to either make laws or look past their petty grievances / prejudices… ironically a lot of people fitting that description now sit in the HoC.
Just like the 5 families you are only making these guys ‘important’ by covering them seriously. Mock them, belittle them, treat them with the contempt they deserve, not as a ‘faction’ worthy of sober news coverage, you give them power.
We need the living poor & working people to be MP's , most if not all of our MP's are middle class, out of touch & without the ideas necessary to meet the challenges our society encounters Love & forgiveness is the way to be
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I almost admire Truss' audacity because, if it were me, I'd never leave the house again
I agrée…..stupid is what stupid does.
she cost me £80 pcm on my mortgage, or nearly 2 grand over the fixed term, and im one of the lucky ones!
@@shaun906 Yes, and my pension savings were decimated and I have the statements to prove it.
If she possessed the ability to feel shame she wouldn't have become PM in the first place
Audacity? More like complete disconnect from economic reality
The Human Rights Act, workers rights etc. isn't what prevented the Tories from fixing the NHS. The NHS didn't need fixing when they got in power, they're the ones who broke it and it was their plan all along. They did achieve that, and many other such results that enriched some people, they just can't campaign on it.
Not every leaf that falls is the fault of the Tories. Life's a bag of 💩. The Tories came to power right after the 2008 banking crash, which left us - if memory serves - over £1 trillion in debt. Then we had Brexit (thanks guys) followed by Covid. This country is on its knees, and things will get worse before they get better.
Bollocks. The NHS has been pretty crap for a long time, since at least the 90s.
The NHS has been broken for decades, it doesnt magically work when new Labour are in power, but it has got worse under the Tories. However it wont get any better under Keir either, as he is a Red tory. There is no chance of any significant improvement until a socialist government gets elected.
I feel really sorry for her father who is a pure mathematician at the University of Leeds. She has completely rejected her family and her upbringing for her endless desire to get more power.
Well that worked out for her then🤣
Be interesting to hear the discussions going on over the dinner table in her family gathering.
…..and Pure Mathematicians can’t be off the wall ?
But I thought she had a miserable upbringing?
He's also a Labour Party supporter. He must be pratty ashamed of her. I gather he refused to campaign for her when she first stood as a Tory candidate.
She's not popular with anybody, especially her constituents, I can't imagine she's that popular with her family.
Unfortunately, she appears to be quite popular with her constituents.
Of course, I’d be VERY happy to be wrong about that. If you have any evidence to cheer me up, please share.
Best wishes
The NS live in a bubble though...
Nice but disconnected..
@@robertcottam8824I suspect the Conservative Party is popular with her constituents. Like in my constituency, you could put a blue floret on a pig and they’d get elected.
I don't understand this at all? Truss' Premiership was a toal disaster, a car crash. We're still paying the economic price for her short lived debacle of a tenure. She's deeply un-popular ... un-tested at the polls.. a laughing stock even? She doesn't perform well in front of the camera, she's not likeable... her policies, such as they are, failed in real time. They weren't theories.. they were implemented and caused chaos. How did we not have a GE after her resignation is beyond me.. She should (and could) lose her seat at the next GE. Yet she is paraded here in front of these goons as some kind of political savant.. with all the answers. What kind of alternate reality do these people inhabit?!!!
and seemingly another idea floated from this cesspit of idiocy is bringing back that other toxic shock of a figure Johnson... ?!! WTF? I completely despair... I hope the 'right' in this country, in all it's horrendous poisenous flavours turns in on itself, splinters into horrible little factions and never gets anywhere near 'power' ever again... however by 2030 they'll be back in 'power'.. or at best 2034... @@MarkPTP7000
Vote her out,although I believe she has a big majority,still doable 🤡🤡🤡
It's called an elite echo chamber, hence why Sunak can walk around with a smile on his face after his party have utterly destroyed this country.
We didnt have a GE precisely because she was such a calamity as the Cons knew they would have been kicked out .
I can't bear listening to her, I find it a very excruciating experience. In fact the whole cabal involved in this strike me as unhinged.
I totally agree with you - it's as if they're channelling the deranged Trump
@@buzzukfiftythree zactly!
They struggle to talk about their achievements because they didn't have any. Simple.
They've actually achieved loads - just for them and their pals.
Whatever seat she is in, please ensure tactical voting is used to vote her out
She’s safe, I’m afraid. She’s already been reselected in a very safe seat.
Of course, Sunak could expel her from the party but… He ain’t going to do that, is he?
I know the area very very rural lot of retirees best chance to get rid is for Labour to tactically let the Lib Dems attract the disaffected Cons voters (me) and the Labour element as a default they will get her on her bike otherwise.
Time for the local parties and national party to have a discussion.
Anywhere can be turned look at all the Labour heartlands that went blue Workington for instance.
How safe is "safe" for tories these days?
Her seat had a 4.2% majority over Labour in 1997. Had LibDem voters voted tactically there back then, Labour would have won.
Since 2001 there have been increasing Tory majorities in the seat, culminating in a whopping 69% of the vote for Truss in 2019. A 50% lead over Labour 😬
Can we give Norfolk independence and kick her out of parliament?
"...they like authenticity" - so how did we end up with Johnson? People may have wanted to believe his enthusiasm to "Get Brexit Done", but did anyone really think that he was authentic?
Notice how they all do bad hair...tfg I'm bald.
It might have helped is Get Brexit Done meant anything beyond being a three word soundbyte.
@@joanormrod4893 Explains why they went for Stop The Boats... I guess? 🙄 It's sad that it works so well with a decent fraction of the British public.
Yes, lots of people believed he was authentic. It might be incomprehensible to us but it was a common view.
"Authenticity" is a bit like "honesty". People tend - quite wrongly - to assume that someone who tells them what they already think is true is being "honest" and "authentic". This tendency is unfortunately all the stronger when what is being said goes against a consensus - the mere fact that lots of people disagree make people who hold the alternative view feel like brave, independent thinkers whereas quite often most people disagree with them because they're wrong...
As "Popular" as a turd in a swimming pool !!😂😂
Or a stool in the pool!😂
Exactly. She is delusional.
30p Lee getting the laughs there... but he was the only one not aware that what he was saying was hilarious... the sort of thing a comedian doing a parody of an ignorant, aging, right winger would say. He's making Stewart Lee's job really, really difficult by being so far beyond parody you can't joke about it anymore because what used to regarded as ridiculous is now just the sort of thing Conservatives actually believe.
What I like most about Stew is that he gives it to you straight, like a pear cider, that's made from 100% pears.
For the love of God Woman!
Pls give us peace, just let go and retire!
That girl in the class that had the complete Oxford Stationery set but would never let you borrow her protractor yet still ended up getting worse GCSE results.
That's Liz Truss that is
This is hilarious. "Can we reset the clock, pretend the last 13 years haven't happened, try to rebrand ourselves, blame it all on Blair and start again? Please. Pretty please?" If anyone falls for this they deserve everything they get. Fantastic fun, brilliantly dissected. I shall definitely be back to have another look at this, it's hilarious. Thanks Anoosh, Rachel and Freddie.
Very nice to see a longer version of the podcast available on UA-cam! More of this please.
Popular conservatism is an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
The 'moron' element is certainly a core feature.
I wish people can clock the idea that just because Sunak might be a technocrat, it doesn't make him a moral person. What you're good at has nothing to do with your moral character. Sunak has demonstrated time and time again that he is as greedy, mendacious and amoral as Johnson.
His involvement in the global financial crash should be repeated more. He didn't care about people then: he's not changed.
Where did this technocrat idea come from?I see no evidence of any ability whatsoever.
And a worse liar than any other politician.
The other tragedy about all this is the climate emergency requires a coordinated supranational response. This is the very worst time to go back to nationalism as nationalism in the presence of limited resources, just leads to warfare.
Well, at least history will only have to repeat itself one final time before humanity is forever locked onto the path of extinction.
Did Lizz pay off that 60 billion hole in your state budget?
Err, no.
These crooks wouldn't go into politics if there was even the remotest chance of them being held accountable for their well-planned schemes.
The fact that the Tory Party even exists is proof of how corrupt the British Establishment is.
Nope. She insists she was correct and wants the chance to do it again. Batsh*t.
Maybe she can start with the £500,000 for her private jet to Australia as Foreign Secretary, because Business Class was below her!
PopCon Lettuce.
Lettuce flavoured pop-corn.
More front than Harrods.
Remind me. How much did her economic 'policy' cost every man, woman and child in the country in just 4 weeks ?
I think you hit the nail on the head there. PopCon is all about the fight for the party later, I found the points about Tories not being able to list off much they achieved apart from Brexit and Academies in 14 years says it all.
the thing is that a lot of the goals they set out to do and have achieved are things they cant talk about in public. Like the massive increase in wealth of the rich and increase in inequality, the crippling of government run public services forcing people to turn to private alternatives, massive increase in white collar fraud and government corruption, etc. Those are all things that have benefited them and their friends and funders personally and help further their goal of gathering economic and therefore political power into the hands of the few and away from working people. But thats all stuff they have to keep on the down low.
Ah, so Liz "I took my brain out and put it on the coffee table for a conversation piece" Truss is back. She looks like she is on meds...sort of tastefully disheveled this time.
I actually think she must be on some kind of mood enhancers-how else to explain her total detachment from reality,most everyone else would disappeared from public life after her disasterous spell as PM yet here she is back again as if nothing had happened,bizzare!
All those egos. Lizz, please, try to stay home.
Look at what the popcons are railing against - human rights, racial equality, the independent judiciary. This tells us all everything we need to know about what the popcons really want to do. Old school fascism with a new face.
I just wonder why cant they just do their jobs instead of going off on these side quests. I sometimes feel the public dont get their moneysworth out of some MPs
Labour should cross the rubicon, and legislate for PR in national elections, that will fragment the Tory Party, and allow the party to evolve into a progressive social Democratic Party, which it basically is, by allowing the Socialist element to seek an independent mandate outside of the Labour Party. The coalitions of the 20th century represented by our two party system is not the future.
There's a lot to that, but the least likely time for this to happen is when one of the two main parties is on the verge of a massive election victory. If Blair had a majority of 30 rather than 170+ we might have got PR after 1997.
She clearly never got the hint the first time round!
As Bob Monkhouse once said ''What people want is authenticity. If you can fake that, you've got it made''.
Bob Monkhouse actually made the comment about 'sincerity'. He wasn't wrong.
@paultaylor7082 thanks for the correction.
Mary Truss is about as authentic as "Boris" Johnson.
Didn’t the Black Death come back again?
How can you get that many grifters in the same room
I absolutely *love* these insightful conversations between Anoosh, Rachel and Freddy. Would it be possible to have a full 30+ minute podcast uploaded each week?
The Mogg is a Bond villain and delights in his evil
~13:00 on the coexistence of communitarianism and libertarianism, it is coherent if you are a Victorian: communitarianism in social norms (social conservatism) + libertarianism in the economy (neoliberalism). That was Thatcher. The debate among the National Conservatives is whether to maintain this hybrid or to jettison the economic libertarianism and embrace protectionist, welfare chauvinism.
Very good discussion.
That sign off was infinitely better than the old one :)
As "Popular" as a fart in a space suit !!😂
Popular?!! Politicians here and the USA have really sunk to incredibly low levels. In the USA, there is the choice between a doddery, elderly, pre-dementia individual and a narcissistic fascist. Some choice. Here in the UK there are the usual incompetents and narcissists who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power,. Currently the Labour narcissistic incompetents are marginally preferable to the Tory narcissistic incompetents. Some choice. BTW, none of the other parties are any better than the big two when it comes to low calibre politicians.
She's popular in the same way Smallpox was popular.
Moggy Moggy Moggy OUT OUT OUT
So, they want to get rid of everyone and everything that disagrees with them. 😂😂
Truss is like a murderer going back to the scene of a crime to justify it in some way.
She, like others such as Reese, is shameless!
The scrabble to stop a new, emerging, privileged class from replacing them
What a lot of clots
The LAST thing they want is for parliament to be sovereign! They want the executive to have powers unbridled by ANY other body.
Popular with the voices in her head.
This is a good analysis, liking and subscribing
What a great show! Thank you.
the British public deserves a well earned rest from this individual especially mortgage payers.
As Billy Connolly once said ' as popular as a fart in a space suit'.
I would rather have the space suit with said fart.
Rather than the fart that is Truss.
They shouldn't spend so much time talking about Liz Truss
"and this time she's "popular"". I find that very hard to believe.
Sarcasm plus a play on the Popular Conservative name they have adopted-the ultimate in wishful thinking!
Pop-Con - "Lets break down all these old structures, so we can rebuild them to further our own interests again."
I am glad she’s back. I hope Boris comes back too. Every time they pop up they remind people why they want the Tories out
Anoosh is the best! Irresistible! ❤😢😊
Can anyone who tells you that a loan is not a loan be trusted?
So why are the Tories letting in immigrants to undercut the British workforce??????
Thanks for posting
I've voted Tory since 2010 and I think Liz Truss is mad and "Popular Conservatives" are complete loony tunes... They are the equivalent of Momentum in Labour as far as I'm concerned. As someone that leans Tory I prefer Starmer and Reeves at this point. The Tories need to move with the times and realise that there is going to have to be more state involvement in some parts of the economy more going forward, this is what many big business people are even comfortable with now. And the hard left and hard right are as bad as each other on the culture war stuff, one side wants to "decolonise" everything and the other side think anyone that recognises there is racism and bigotry still in society is a raging Marxist.
If you are a Norwegian citizen right now. You are the most wealthy, most democratic most publicly funded, most likely to live longer, and most probably, giving your children the best life on this planet. Why? Because of decade-long sustainable investment in the people of Norway.
All three of those people would be considered not part of the "IN" group at Eton. I did not go to a private school. And if these people were at my school, they would be considered as dorks or nerds. There is nothing wrong with being dorky or a nerd. But be it Eton or a public school, i think all of them did not fit. They are not supposed to be speaking in public at all. 18 century Mogg, 2p Lee and Trump hands Lizz should not be in the public arena at all. They all have accute social anxieties. It's not good for a pub or public speaking. Feel sorry for them.
Did "The lettuce" accept the pension for a life for the 46 Days (had 30 days off with Queen related stuff) in the job ... she is always banging on about unaffordable benefits ... well I think that it is one she could have demonstrated to the nation by refusing, I have not checked, but I bet she ain't ...
I deplore Liz Truss and what she did in her 49 days in power, but she is not drawing a pension. She has access to an account of about £100k to recoup expenses incurred because of her having been prime minister. This account was established when Thatcher resigned, and I understand that Truss has claimed about £23,000 to date, probably most on travel expenses to speak to American right-wing think tanks.
truss is as popular and as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit
She's like a corpse that the undertaker has forgotten to bury; bad small and all...
I thought rampant individualism was a conservative idea to distract the working class from the fact there are actually classes.
It surprises me how much you guys take these people serious.
It's not about national sovereignty; they're not really interested in that. It's about deregulation on all fronts: anything goes, might is right, etc.
She is a visionary, She knows what needs to be done. She is not being taken seriously. In my opinion, we are all going to regret this,
Also they sound more like Tony Benn talking about sovereignty and their obsession with markets who hate them
Can I just say how (sadly) refreshing it is to hear people on my own political side of the aisle talking so evenly on the opinions of people on the other side of the aisle? It was just so nice to hear acknowledgements of when the Tories, or subsets of them, have a point on certain matters. So often when I see a politic debate on television, or even an interview, it feels like political discourse has devolved into a war of 'evil' versus 'virtuous', when actually what it should be is different people expressing different priorities and trying to come to a consensus between them that assuages the concerns of all parties. I think that's a brutal condemnation on the state of news media and political debate today, granted, but it is also something that has instantly made me hit subscribe. I don't mean to make this sound like it is a specific problem of the left, incidentally, it's just that I try to hold myself and any group I might be a part of to as high standards as possible. I can't do much about the right wing, because it is always easier to persuade within groups than without of them. From my experience the Tories actually brought this toxic culture in from the US around the turn of the millennium and just like it already had in the US, the left started to reply in kind. We've been trapped in a sort of death spiral ever since. So, as I said, it was really nice to come across this discussion.
On that note, actually, as regards Sunak's gaffes, I don't think the 'define a woman' thing can be counted as one. If you look at public perception of the question of 'what is a (wo)man', it is very clear-cut. It's only a very fringe group that thinks biological sex is 'assigned' as opposed to a biological fact. That's how the words 'woman' and 'man' have been defined for almost the entirety of human history - certainly in our specific culture. I would actually argue it is only a small but vociferous voice of people who would self-identify as being pro-trans, too. (My personal position is that I can't even define what being trans would be without being able to define a man and a woman, given that gender dysmorphia is by definition when the mind's self identification of what their sex should be is different to the physical reality of the body's. Empathy means that I can understand just how horrible a situation that must be, and therefore it makes me want to support people who have gender dysphoria. Indeed, it's the idea of that agonising disconnect between the actual and the perceived that evokes that feeling within me. I personally have some mental health issues (to keep it vague), and I know how it feels to feel deep down in your core that you have been 'made wrong', to put as simply and bluntly as possible. That if you had had a creator; they must have skipped over an important detail or entered a 1 when it should have been a 7 in your coding. It's hard to put into words how that makes you feel, especially without my going into specifics as to my issues. But trust me, it's not nice.)
What I have felt the perception is when I've put my toe in the water in dialogues on the matter - particularly with those who aren't specifically interested in trans matters, but also those who are but are centrists or on the right - is that it was maybe a tad unfortunate timing, and they have sympathy for Brianna Ghey's mother (and anyone else who is in such a situation)... but that doesn't change the fact that Sunak is right. I definitely feel there is a tendency for humans - and in this case, specifically, those of us on the left - to fall into the trap of listening to those people who have the loudest voices, and forget about the people who choose to remain silent on subjects. It's why Starmer's position has been slightly damaging for him, and the Tories regularly try to bring it up - because it is one of the few areas they know they have the majority support on. (Of course, it is such an unimportant issue compared to the myriad of faults they find with the Tories at the moment that it doesn't really matter.) They wouldn't bring it up so regularly if they knew it wouldn't work in their favour. It's one of the few things they can throw at him that sticks.
Which is a rather rambly way of saying that it was only a gaffe for people who there is already absolutely no chance of voting for him.
I'll get the lettuce
MPs are literally only supposed to be mouthpieces for their constituents and represent their constituents’ views in debates / votes. Having these grandiose visions and hunger for power are not part of the job description.
this isn’t true. They have to administer the state and set the direction for the country. Vision seems important to me
They are mouthpieces for Tufnel Street.
@@liamfaulkner9267 a vision based on the requirements of their constituents. The rest is just vanity.
‘Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.’ Edmund Burke
@@clarecrawford9677 Edmund Burke is a famous critic of democracy of the people - he believed that the ordinary man did not possess the reasoning skills or intelligence required to either make laws or look past their petty grievances / prejudices… ironically a lot of people fitting that description now sit in the HoC.
Sovereignty, in this context sounds autocratic.
Just another great example of believing your own thoughts without ratifying
Remember *that* photoshoot with The Times, when they billed her as the next Iron Lady? Like opening a fold of used toilet paper.
Popular with who? The recently deceased?
Good grief! And good luck...🤔
"I'm a fighter not a quitter", which she even repeated. One of the funniest lines ever in Parliament!
Dear god. Please make it stop.
I don't think the electorate will have her back in any shape or form.
Still gutted I missed out on those 'In Liz we Truss" mugs.
About as popular as a clown at a funeral. 😂😂😂
What could possibly go wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Crazy!!
Liss Trus is popular; that is not a sentence that should ever be uttered, what have we become!
Popular, like a turd would be popular compared to an alligator in a jacuzzi.
This makes the Tory anti erudite stance even clearer.
Pro reality.
@@RichardFraser-y9t A reality that does not exist outside their limlted minds!
Just like the 5 families you are only making these guys ‘important’ by covering them seriously.
Mock them, belittle them, treat them with the contempt they deserve, not as a ‘faction’ worthy of sober news coverage, you give them power.
Quangocracy? I like that term😁
She really thinks fake it 'till you make it works EVERY time...
More like pop corn, when watching a horror movie!!!
Truss is as popular as flies around a slimy lettuce in the compost bin.🤣🤣
Conservative Party Politics. One day at a time. A week is a huge timespan in Tory Policy commitments.
We need the living poor & working people to be MP's , most if not all of our MP's are middle class, out of touch & without the ideas necessary to meet the challenges our society encounters
Love & forgiveness is the way to be
We need an emergency law to make Lizzy as popular as she never was!
I'm not a quitter, I'm a fighter.... I resign.....Hardy Har Har.
Why are you even entertaining such ideas ?
Truss reduced taxes - the markets reacted
That’s not any international institutions or blob whatever
You need to ask the question 'what would they actually do with all this sovereignty they get' I suspect that they'd get rid of any rights we'd have!