1986 IMSA GTP at Charlotte
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2017
- If I had to guess, I’ve watched the 1986 Charlotte IMSA GTP race at least 20 times.
The sight of the world’s most diverse and cutting-edge prototypes, deep in NASCAR country, navigating Charlotte’s awkward layout still holds its fascination for me. And in another nod to the different times when GTP thrived, the early domination by Klaus Ludwig in his four-cylinder turbo Ford Probe was thrilling to behold.
No Balance of Performance. No cries of unfair advantages. And no surprise when GTP engines, wound beyond their limits, exploded in spectacular fashion.
Ludwig buried his foot in the throttle and crushed the Porsche 962s, Buicks, Corvettes, Jaguars, and all manner of prototypes…while asking those four little cylinders to stay below their melting point. Surviving a three-hour race like the 500km Charlotte Grand Prix was anything but a guarantee, and if you’re a fan of drama, mystery waited around each corner for the leader and those in pursuit of the rapid German. Although Ludwig was the early star of the event, he wasn't necessarily the one spraying champagne at the end...
The event made use of the North Carolinian track’s sweeping oval and rudimentary road course which, despite its shortcomings, also made for great television. Check out the grandstands, as well. Fans flocked to see these caged animals unleashed in an unnatural environment.
And on the very real grounds of safety, a chicane comprised of tire bales was installed halfway down the back straight, and while it certainly looks strange, slowing GTP cars that weighed half of the average stock car and made power in the 900-1000hp range was a necessity.
With the recent repaving and modernization of Charlotte’s infield road course in mind, NASCAR fans will get a look at its original state, free of safety measures and other conveniences we’ve come to expect today.
Spend some time with Ken Squier, Bill Adam, and Dave Despain-checking in from the old TBS broadcast hut-and turn up the volume for the wicked-fast meeting between IMSA GTP cars and Charlotte Motor Speedway on May 18, 1986. - Авто та транспорт
My father worked at CMS during most of the 1980's, and I saw every one of the Camel GT events in person. They were all good racing to watch. This track just made for interesting racing and, unlike most tracks, you could see the entire event from the grandstands.
If anyone ever puts up the 1982-1984 races, they were just as good, better even. If anyone ever questioned the skills of Danny Ongais, watch his drive in 1982. He had nearly been killed at Indy the previous year. If anyone has never seen that Indy crash, look it up. How he did not die is a miracle. A year later and still recovering, he showed up at this event, jumped in a Lola T600, and put on an absolute clinic in his first race after the serious Indy crash.
But the best race of the group was easily the race in either 1983 or 1984. My memory can't tell me exactly which year, but anyone that has seen it will know what I am talking about. The Jaguar was fast, real fast. But they kept getting onto trouble and knocking the nose bodywork off of the car. The Jag would get way behind in the pits getting a new nose, then storm back into contention, only to lose another front end. The effort by the Jaguar team was epic, but ultimately fell short. Still, it made for what was easily the best road race I have ever seen.
I have no idea if the races before 1985 were televised like this, as I was watching live. If they were aired, someone has to have the video somewhere. Great racing if it ever sees the light of day again.
I could watch this every day. Fascinating stuff, beautiful powerful cars and absolutely amazing reporting. Completely entertaining.
Awesome! I attended this race when 9 years old with my father. He worked at Town and Country Ford for many years and we would always get tickets from Bruton into many of the r aces. So exciting to see this live as a young boy.
amen to that !! and these drivers were the best!!!
I love that a Ford Probe with kicking ass on a Porsche in the beginning of the race lol..Wow, this is back when racing was still racing no power steering even in those cars, almost no suspension..1000 HP GoCarts..Mean machines to tame
Great to see this race from 1986. Great to see these drivers racing that are now long gone into history. I also have to say that Bill Adam had a little daughter at the time and those who follow IMSA today know her as Shea Adam.
Just came across this video and itÄs just amazing watching this on an early saturday morning in full length. thank you for this upload! greetings from germany
The commercial at 22:22 is awesome
tuxseto I love hearing Mark Dailey’s voice again.
Chris Ward, John Taylor, Huey Lewis takes me back
you just gotta love Derek Bell on live TV ! #legend
When the flag drops the bullshit stops. What a line.
@@daren42 right on live TV. Fucks given? 0
I was at the Charlotte GP this year. Met Derek Bell,one of my all time racing heroes. Super nice guy.
Used to love to watch these guys at Mid-Ohio. The names you read about in magazines were out there in these beasts that sounded so great as they went by.
I absolutely love the tbs sports intro
Thanks so much for this beautiful video.
I used to run track days at rovals in the late-80's/early-90's. Pocono, MIS, Atlanta, and Charlotte. Charlotte was my favorite because it had the nicest flow to the infield course, but the transition from the infield to the NASCAR banking was very abrupt, and I rapidly learned to take it at a shallow angle to minimize shock to my car's suspension. Many years later, I finally got to run the Daytona road course, and I really liked that place. I have looked at a video of the revised Charlotte roval, and it doesn't look as fun as the old one; there are a couple of slow turns in the infield that will probably not be loved by the NASCAR drivers.
Andy Harman did you post this before or after the track revision?
After.
Andy Harman ok so I’m curious, which corners are you talking about being too slow for the NASCAR drivers because the track revision was supposed to get rid of the really slow corners.
By the way I'm counting, I make them turns 7 and 8 in the infield. The 180-degree right and left turns that are the last before re-entering the oval.
Thanks for the upload! IMSA in its prime, what a crowd for a roval, I wonder how they'd do there now.
Thank You Marshall ! As a scale model builder use this video for reference when building and painting applying decals. Thanks again Sir ------ the commercials are a bonus !
Holy moly them Oakley's Doc Bundy had on were amazing!!
Feels pretty amazing to watch this great IMSA GTP race from '86 with awesome starting grid and Group B Rallying on commercial break.
Mm hmm, I noticed this too.
Incredible flashback! Is it too cliché to say golden years?
This was fantastic racing that received due coverage.
Back then I must've taken it all for granted believing it'd never go away - sigh...
Thank goodness for reunions. I cannot wait to get back to Monterrey.
I remember watching this race on TBS. Man those where the days
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I was stupid lost my password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me
@Kyree Zayd Instablaster ;)
It was just a complete jungle out there, no safety walls by spectators, no speed limits in pits, cars dangerous as could be... love it. I miss seeing those camel cigarette ads all over the pits and tracks. Grew up going to road america, was there in 1989 to see the Nissan vs Jag battles.
I was at this race in the paddock area. Great race.I miss these days. There was nothing like the Group C / GTP type cars.
Many thanks for posting this Marshall. I’m reading Derek Bell’s book ‘All my Porsche Races’ and this brings it to life. He’s very low key in the section about this race though😂. Subscribed and hoping to discover more.😉
Ground effects and turbochargers made for wicked fast cars.
Oh man! Thanks posting this Marshall. An awesome little time capsule back in time. Love it.
Thank you for not editing out the old commercial breaks. That was cool.
This was a Canadian broadcast.
I was surprised to see a Labatt's blue commercial at first
this was fantastic Mr P!!! group C racing has got to be the best type of racing hands down 1000 plus hp requires a skill set that goes above and beyond . i can honestly say i really enjoyed your selection please more of this!! my sim league absolutely love this car and we have done many series affectionately called the C Monster series ill be sharing this gold with all of them absolutely timeless johnny rivas
Many thanks for this! Love it.
There was a GTP Corvette with 900+ hp?? I'm enjoying learning this racing category more and more...
Yeah, but it is a v6...
Yeah, but a V-6 turbo.. it was moving along nicely until the turbo died out..I was hoping #52 Corvette was going to take first and give the North Carolina fans are real show..This is back when racing was still racing no power steering in those cars, 120°+ almost 2 lateral G's..Wow..I do love how those Porsche 962's looked back then
These were the glory days of IMSA. When you had many factories building prototypes to take on Porsche. The fields were full of prototypes of every shape and engine configuration imaginable. I saw them every year at Road America. Then something happened and it all went to shit.
@@adamwebster9784 There were some with normally asperated 366 CID V8.
32:53 that pass by ole hans was fantastic. I miss him he was such a character
1:48 if you want to skip over the overdramatic Labbats beer commercial.
I want all these cars on Gran Turismo 7
Especially the Ford Probe gtp
The commercials are awesome! :D
15:10 race starts your welcome
The Corvette Gtp looks like a early version of The Grand Am DP'S
1:01:06 holy shit, he's flying
When you consider the Ford Probe was powered by a 120 cubic inch 4 cylinder is simply amazing. Especially when you consider the fact it's racing against 900+hp V8"s. That means its running half the cylinders other cars have. I think the MODEL T Ford was powered by a 4 cylinder motor too.
Yeah with a massive turbo 😂
@@johnmurray952656:18 🔞 is the best way for cars
getting the drivers going b4 the race haha this is awesome
cant believe this has so few views. Love the cheesy 80's music and nostalgic commercials!
Me too, synth music and drum machines were hot stuff back then.
"No Balance of Performance."
Well, at 32:30 the announcer says: "This weight addition on the Porsches is evening the competition out."
I much rather see simple ballast or air restriction than the complex impossible-to-understand bullshit that is communism applied to racing, also known as BoP. Ballast does not hurt you 100%, the weight can be put down in a way that makes the car more balanced. An air restrictor can make your car softer, easier to handle, not always superharmful. A lot of ballasted and/or air-restricted racecars have won races in close-fought competition.
BoP is a lot worse. BoP is what gave us the travesty that was Ford GT's "FAKE WIN" at Le Mans after sandbagging all year long.
Just ballast or just a restrictor is not as damaging as BoP. With BoP they fuck a car in like 5 different ways at once, they change a lot of the car at once. With ballast or the air restrictor it is not as damaging, it can help you in some other way.
How is winning the 24 hrs. of Daytona sandbagging?
@@DanArnets1492 YEAH bop is communism applied to racing.. heck any form of handicaping is communism in racing... just won a race??? that's too bad because you've gained some weight. car makes too much power and defeats the ballast??? how about you now breathe from a straw(restrictor) i mean come on.. its welfare for the lower common denominator. but yeah,i agree that the ford gt's were sandbagging to make their pr coup work. and it is BS but gt3 has to be the worst BOP class in the world... bentleys winning races.... in what universe is this suposed to happen?!?!?!?
@@DDS029 do you mean the one in 2016??? i thought the ford gt's did miserable at their opening race in daytona. iirc it was not until the race before lemans that they performed well. thus probably not receiving enough bop adjustments to make it fair,but then again i hate BoP... it saps the fun out of racing or the fairness,so who's to say ford did earn their victory or not.
Doc rocking those factory pilots😎
I love Corvettes but what was Hendrick thinking?? Slapping on a part with no testing!🤣
Wow! I can't believe just how old this video is ! John Paul jr before his dad was hit with a Federal indictment that ended their race team!
"Picked up a nail?" Funny!
Like The Oval Tracks with Infield sections.
and yea i miss the Tracks...
Rovals can be cool. Heck, even parking lot racetracks can be good (ChampCar Denver). I am still a fan of the roval in California Speedway (AMA Superbike used it for years and even had nice races there). The problem is that a lot of ovals have awful infield sections.
Bob Tullius of Group 44 -- great career as owner/builder/driver.
I believe his first two cars were his wife's TR-3 and then a Dodge Dart.
Not TNN but Canadian TSN (The Sports Network) broadcast of a TBS production.
15:00 Lets race
The Sporting News, it's the Daily Racing Form of professional sports MLB, NFL, NBA and even the NHL. You'll find that you're placing wiser sports bets with your bookie. The bad thing about the magazine is that it teaches you to place where you're always covering the spread and winning so much that finding a bookie willing to take your bets gets difficult .🤑🤑🤑🤑😉😉😁
Disclaimer: This is the 1986 Charlotte Grand Prix...
@2:41:18 nice shout out to new milford ct! Forgot he was from CT
Me too!
What month of 86 was this?? I graduated from high school in this year but don't remember exactly what month this was. June??
Ahhh, i was gonna say May, I should have gone with my gut, and read the description....hahahah
IMSA should go back to the new Charlotte Roval for 2019. Am I the only one who thinks that?
SteamsDev nope I fully agree with this statement
they are coming here this year
I wanted to go to this race but didn't get to. I did go to the 600 that year and saw Earnhardt win his first 600.
Corvette GTP was the best looking car - too bad it wasn't more successful.
What race organisation is this?
IMSA...
Wait a minute... is the black Team Alpha 962 in this race?
Does this infield track still exist?
Bryon Lape they made some major changes to it to prep it for nascar this October. The version you see here is in iracing if you want to try it.
I've been meaning to try iRacing for quite some time, but haven't yet.
Bryon Lape The infield road course has been there since the early days of the speedway. In it's time it has hosted IMSA Camel GT Series, SCCA Trans-Am, Can-Am and National sports cars, and AMA National motorcycle races. There is a picture online of two-time NASCAR champion Joe Weatherly driving a British Lister in an early pro sports car race there. The NASCAR race this year will use most of that course in modified form.
good
Better than the Roval. Bring this layout back.
This is the roval....
36 buck for a Blue Jays jersey, a steal as they said
Dude, how about the Dodge Charger they're racing at 6:51?! HA!!
i think the charger won the championship in its class in 1986
Carbon fiber bodies in 1986.
Race Porsches and corvettes in NASCAR It might be better to watch
9:15 minutes into the video, UA-cam served me up 4 commercials already! This platform has been destroyed by Google. I guess billions in revenue is not enough, lets go for trillions at the customers expense.
I am so glad in 2021 when watching races. The commentators have been stopped from yapping to much. During the 80's I stopped watching racing on TV because your not allowed to think for yourself as the race is happening. Just got so annoyed by all the yapping. Racing became a platform for commentators to promote their yapping skills. No one can focus on the sounds of the racing engine sounds. Too much talking. Ruined it for me for years. They talk to people like we are deaf dumb and blind. Dam they pissed me off. Like a little kid jumping up and down in front of the television while your trying to watch TV. This was not about racing. This was about promoting your talking skills. Great race though. Went and watched Ludwig race in Portland. Enjoyed that. Got to actually hear the cars and focus on the race. Rather than have commentators yapping and talking and yapping and talking. Shut the heck up.
You know whats a goof, they talk about 125mph like it's super fast and I have driven my MB GT-R faster than that on a track.
Announcers are commenting on there speeds being just over 200mph. Their golf carts in pit row did 125mph .😉😉😁