Film Theory: Harry Potter ISN'T The Chosen One?
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For years, we all believed that Harry Potter was the Chosen One, the one destined to save the wizarding world from Lord Voldemort, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. BUT, have we been duped? Is it possible that our lightning-bolted boy wonder isn't as special as we thought? What is there was ANOTHER Chosen One? What if it all boiled down to a coin flip? Then Harry Potter would just be an average kid. Maybe there's a universe out there where Harry should be THANKING Lord Voldemort...but I'll leave that to you to judge!
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“Neville gave Harry the gillyweed in year 4”
Books: Sad Dobby noises.
yeah
Poor dobby
This is the film theory channel, not the book theory channel. For any movie based on a book, they are going to talk about the movie, not the book.
@@Morgan423Z even so we can still debunk this so easily, literally in that same film Barty Crouch junior admits to being the one who told Neville about the gillie weed so he could tell harry, AND Neville did NOT raise Dumbledore's army, harry started it, he helped everyone get better, sure with the help of his crew but it started with him. I love this channel but this theory just ain't it, same as his star wars fallen order video that can be debunked by anybody who actually played the game
no poor dobby :( ☀︎
In the end we all know Voldemort is lazy and chose Harry because he was closer
Actually, as DUMBLEDORE SAID IN THE BOOKS, Voldemort saw himself in Harry.
R/Doublewoooosh
Also, please spell Woooosh, as in the Subreddit, correctly.
@@dominickeijzer5844 how
R/Woooosh
Did I.. Did I purposefully miss s joke with no warning just to pretend to woooosh people as my woooosh? WOOOOSHCEPTION
Phoenix the Parrot well you cant blame him
Two reasons Neville wasn't so good at magic:
1) He was intimidated by Snape.
2) He was trying to use his father's wand at his grandmother's insistence.
His magic became much more powerful as he studied with Dumbledore's Army and more powerful again after he broke his father's wand and was able to go get a wand of his own.
After fighting death eaters, I'm sure Snape seemed to be the least of his worries.
why did I read that as "his father broke wind"
It’s literally said over and over in the books, and Harry even said it himself, Neville could’ve been the chosen one the prophecy told about, but the dark lord chose harry instead of Neville
@AlisaOMGrocks123 what book what page
@@meihatsumi6045 Book 5 or 6, and I’m not gonna list the exact page, find it urself
@@calleigh._.417 K thank you
YES!!
I mean, Neville would have died and the series would be over if Voldemort chose Neville
In an alternate universe:
PatMat: "Film Theory: Neville Longbottom ISN'T The Chosen One? "
I hope so
@Hollie they are doing great! Thanks for asking
Neville longbottom and the deathly hallows
@@ManzyDGoat *-NO-*
@@leviosa9273 HI HARRY IM READING THE SECOND BOOK
The fact that either Neville or Harry may be the chosen one is well known and in fact stated in the books.
+Audrey McKnight CinemaSins rules apply.
The books don't matter. *ding*
+Edward Prince Yes.... Yes they do.
Well of course they do. But not to this series. All evidence has to come from the films.
Edward Prince Whats the point in making a "film theory" when the theory is basically fact in what the film is based on?
+AnimeTheoriesHQ ~ 1080p Videos I agree! I mean, this isn't even a theory. It's basically saying, "Here's something mentioned in the books, but never in the movies! That makes the fact debatable!"
I mean, really
I mean I've never seen the movies but the books make it blatantly clear that it could have referred to either Harry or Neville. The only reason the prophecy became about Harry was because Voldemort chose Harry as he saw the Potter family as more of a threat or something to that effect.
Fair point. I've only really seen the movies and while Neville's amount of screen time is a bit odd, compared to the other non-trios, it's not overly obvious about the whole possible chosen one thing. I always thought of him as a plot device for over coming adversity. But having the "facts", you will, about Neville that's not super highlighted in the movies - it makes so much sense. If I gain the attention span for book series, I'll give it a go.
Goodbye Matpat long live the theorists
Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom...Who's better? Let the DEBATE RAGE!
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The Film Theorists This video is awesome!
At first I was skeptical thinking "of course he brings in quantum theory and multiple universes to prove his point." But then you surprised me yet again and made a valid argument
Like your intro pat
The Film Theorists Neo
I mean, JK chose Harry, since the title "Harry Potter" is more catchy than "Neville Longbottom"
Neville Longbottom and the Philosopher's Stone...
Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets...
Neville Longbottom and...
@@axelollo "Neville Longbottom and the Chambers of Secrets" hmm...
IDK, Harry Potter might be a more catchy name, but I'd still be tempted to buy the "Neville Longbottom" series of books for the potential butt jokes alone.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince We could say that Neville was the butt of jokes due to his name instead of being bullied for being the chosen one. I think he hit bottom with that one :)
Neville Longbottom and the Half Blood Prince.....
Matpat thinking he's made a new theory:
Books: *vibes in canon*
I'm really surprised that the movies left this detail out, to be honest. It was a core theme in the last 3 books - Harry was the Chosen One _only because Voldemort chose him_ and he himself could have chosen to walk away from that burden at any time - it only became his "destiny" because of 1. What kind of person Harry is, and 2. That _Voldemort_ believed the prophecy and would never stop until Harry was dead, even if that meant putting himself directly in harm's way. Which is incredibly poetic: it's a "destiny" born entirely of two peoples' free will.
“He provides Harry with Gillyweed in year four.”
I don’t care what the movies say, that was Dobby.
Exactly
That's why it's called Film Theory. It focuses on the films, but takes other sources into play.
@Kaden Chim could have
But didnt
Yes
It was Dobby the house-elf,not Neville
@@user-tu2kt7ih9i yes
*reads the books* it says that neville and harry both fufilled the prophecy so voldermort went for the most intimitating one in his opinion, harry.
*looks at the video* Oh..
James Buckland true
James Buckland film theory
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It's not that he thought he was the biggest threat, it's because Voldemort and Harry are both half bloods and Voldemort related to him best, the only reason Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort made it that way
Swagolicious 324 how is harry half blood his mom is a witch and his dad is a wizard
10:30 Voldemort: I'M NOT GETTING DEFEATED BY SOMEONE NAMED *LONGBOTTOM!*
This is explicitly discussed in the books. The idea is that neville could have been the one, but Voldemort chose harry. In fact, i'm pretty sure this is portrayed as grounding to harry as he realizes his circumstances were as they are due largely to chance
I like how this entire video was an actual chapter in Harry Potter
Can u please tell me which book and chapter number, i dont remember
@@justinwhy6550 pretty sure it’s at the end of order of the Phoenix after Harry finds out about the prophecy.
@@justinwhy6550 it’s order of the Phoenix, chapter is called ‘the lost prophecy’
@@carolinesleit3352 ok thanks
Yeah. Great video, but most of us watching already know this. Matpat didn't really come up with it, it's explicitly stated in the book
Ok, it annoys me that Matt Patt goes through the whole "Neville also fits the bill for being the Chosen One" AS IF THAT ISN'T EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE BOOKS.
+Simalacrum Well, if he came to this conclusion without knowing the books said so, then props to him I guess. I don't think he would have made a video about it if he had known the books say it outright.
+Simalacrum The channel is *Film* Theories not Book Theories
^ yes! thank you! all of this is completely explained in the novels!
+Shuragami yeah, but he said that it was least favorite book in the series, so that means he read them and knew this was explained
+Simalacrum Well, he has said that this same theory was in the books so clearly he was aware of that and didn't hide it.
This just goes to show how much I’ve seen the movies vs reading the books…. I do not remember Neville giving Harry Gillyweed, I just remember when Dobby does in the book😂
It's not just "love", it's the intense, self-sacrificing love of a mother who used herself to shield Harry from a great evil and died in the process.
the book confirms this theory, Dumbledore confirms it himself.
Yes he says Nevil could be the chosen one. But he also says that it is Harry because Voldemort marked him as his equal.
Megan Macneil This Theory Says That Though, Watch The Video Before You Comment!
would love a quote or series of quote, or page number, or anything more than just a word
yeah, i thought matpat was a genius, and then about a year later i read the chapter of the book where dumbledore explains that. and kinda felt betrayed. and then i watched the link is dead video again and reminded myself he's a bit of a genius who just sometimes states the obvious as a theory.
Max Evans l
The title: “Harry Potter ISN’T THE CHOSEN ONE?”
Me reading the title: “Oh? OH! I know this one! ITS NEVILLEEEE!!”
That was me too😂
Bullshit! Harry and only harry..
Lmao same
Same
I said the same
Tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. This was a whole plot point, my dude 😂
J.K.Rowling actually included this in a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry. Albus clearly says that it could have either been Harry or Neville. Voldemort only chose Harry because he saw a greater threat in Harry
This was explained exactly at the end of book 5
Yep :/
WAT
+MrLegoman880 That's exactly what I was going to say XDD
+MrLegoman880 It's a MatPrat video, were you expecting something better?
+Jason Godwin It's usually better
I always felt SO bad for Neville. More than I did for Harry, or any other character. He was CONSTANTLY trying to help Harry, and he never got anything out of it. He almost DIED trying to help him. I even cried when I saw him with scars.
Dont worry have you seen the pictures of how he looks like now?
I think that makes up for it
u know same at least harry wasn't that full of himself i mean he was sometimes but we would all be if we were the "the chosen one"
Yeah harry was never selfish and Neville is his friend
@@quietstew843 oh absolutly Matthew Lewis is hot!
pretty sure he was rewarded for his bravery and (unrelated) ended up as the herbology teacher.
I feel like Neville has always proven himself to be the bravest hero in the movie. It takes bravery to stand up to your enemies but a great deal more to stand uo to your friends.
Love the one second Sandman reference at 13:47
Imagine being caught by your parents reading a book called “Longbottom”
69th
lmao
Might make for an interesting story though if the author did decide to tell that side of the story. Let's say a short trilogy... too much of the story is already known for anything longer, and the books would probably be a lot shorter than most of the ones in the Harry Potter series. Or maybe just two books. Or one a bit longer one.
But yep, she should probably call it something else than "Longbottom". Maybe "Neville's story" or something.
“Neville Longbottom and the way too hard stone”
@@Ymylock XD
Which also explains why Snape was so cruel to Neville. He blamed him for Lily's death. Because if Voldemort would have chosen the other path to kill Neville and his family the Potters would have lived.
***** I think he knows that subconiously and deals with the guilt he feels for that by projecting blame and his anger onto neville and harry
Only interesting part to this video ^
morgan dodson Voldemort was prolly too much of a bitch-ass to fight Neville's parents in a 2v1. He pulled a bitchy sneak attack on the Potters as plan B.
morgan dodson OMFG
DOESNT EXCUSE IT
Villain: *exists*
The power of love and friendship: and i took that personally.
I think That's why the birth dates are mentioned twice 🤔
In the books they specifically say that Neville and Harry are both the chosen one that's why his parents were tortured into insanity
and thus Grindelwald being so important in fantastic beasts
That's not the reason they were tortured into insanity. Voldemort never understood the prophecy fully, so he and the Death Eaters didn't know about option 2 - Neville.
Voldemort chose Harry (marked him as his equal), so from then on, Harry WAS the chosen one. The whole deal behind this is that Voldemort got so freaked out by the prophecy, he acted on it and dug his own grave in the process. If he had just chilled out and not tried to kill Harry at all, there wouldn't have been a chosen one.
The film theorists are giving us NO NEW INFO
Mutt Hatter Actuslly they were tortured despite the prophecy. Voldemort picked Harry because he was a half-blood, just like him, while Neville is a pureblood, the image of perfection for Voldemort and hid followers, and during the Battle of Hogwarts, Voldemort even tries to spare him despite being the head of the rebellion group of students in Hogwarts, and even claims that it would have been a waste to let pureblood wizard like Neville would have been a waste. If Neville have been a half-blood too, then Voldemort would have also targeted Nevile
EXACTLY MY POINT
This is explained in the books by Dumbledore, although good job noticing the small details.
FILM theorists, FILM theorists. Not BOOK theorists lol
Lucas Norrie Well, the films too XD
Emerald Daffodils Rly, never noticed that. Probably because when I was little I never listned to what they said, I only was there for the action and shit :D
Emerald Daffodils He used facts from the books for his theory, he didn't "notice small details". This video is just bad as the films don't provide Neville's date of birth, he obviously fished it in the books without mentioning the fact that Dumbledore explained in book 5 that Neville could have been the one but wasn't chosen by Voldemort.
Marc Somerhausen Yes, the theory is still the same, but he does pick out a few examples and link them to the theory.
what about the "power the dark lord knows not" and being "marked as his equal"?
Voldemort did not give Neville as much marking as he did harry
Neville didn’t grow up with his parents, much like Tom Riddle was an orphan; in that moment he was marked as an equal. Not physically like Harry, but still emotionally scarred.
@@avagardiner5370 Voldemort was meant to "mark him as his equal" do i have to remind you WHO made Neville's parents insane?
Here son, this, this is where it all started, a legend.
this is gonna be about Neville isn't it
damnit
+Crystalline101 I had the exact same thoughts....
I was like just waiting for Neville name
I thought the exact same.
Me too.
Matpat: Harry was just whining the entire book 4 about being special
Me: Literally looking at the line where Harry says "I just wanna be normal" over and over
Tbh, SO MANY people have misconceptions about Harry's character. It's disconcerting.
Periodt.
It’s book 5
Yeah dude people base everything on the movies when the books have the facts. read the books people!
@@abdulrahmanbunkheila3889 because he's film theory, and their different canons. Even some of the most minuet things in the book are different in the movies, why would he compare them? Besides, his theory isn't even wrong, making your comment even more pointless.
Looking back at the books this is such a smart theory. Neville not thinkable about to fans was so cool to hear. Keep up the good work Matpat
Anyone else doing a watch through of old videos now that he’s leaving yt?
It's not a theory. It's a pretty clear fact according to the books
definitely, i don't remember for sure cuz it's been a while but i'm positive that Dumbledore himself told Harry that Neville was just as likely to become the chosen one and that Voldy chose Harry because Harry had a pureblood father and muggleborn mother, similar to how Voldemort had a muggle father and a pureblood mother
I just finished reading the series and you're absolutely right. Dumbledore straight up tells Harry that it could have been Neville. He explains to Harry that Voldemort was trying to find someone that met the qualifications and he found Harry first. (At least that's what I remember him saying) I'm kind of disappointed in this theory...I mean...it's completely right but it's already said in the books.
+Emily Bell he didn't tell Harry that Voldemort found him 1st, he told Harry that Voldemort was more scared of Harry because of their similarities
Neville is a pureblood, that's pointed out in book 2 when someone tells him he doesn't need to buy the protective charms to ward away the basilisk, but Harry had a pureblood father and a muggleborn mother
Voldemort had a pureblood mother and a muggle father, Harry and Voldemort had almost the exact same parents that way, and that is why Voldemort chose Harry, the one who was most likely himself, the one he most feard
+Emily Bell i wrote a big long comment about why Voldemort chose Harry but i accidentally deleted it so i'm just gonna say Voldy was scared of Harry because they both had a pureblood parent and a muggle related parent, Voldy had a pure muggle dad and Harry had a muggleborn mom
And Neville did not provide the plants in the goblet of fire it was Dobbi read a book
Read the books, kids, and you could've known all of this without have having MattPat explain it (although he is great at explaining things).
I know right! BOOKS4DAWIN
Never read the books, got forced to watch the movies. Was calling longbottom the real star by the 4th movie(because damn with a name like that you are either the greatest ever or....the walking punchline)
MultiMagniGladii The only reason Nevill wasn't chosen by Voldemort is because he is a fullblood wizard, while Harry is a halfblood
Joanna Kamphuis Yeah, Voldemort was more scared of half-blod wizard, because Voldemort himself is half-blod.
Sun Light He wasn't more scared, he believed himself the best, and while he hates "Mud Bloods" (Punched in the face) he believes they have the most potential, just like he did. It was more his own vanity and less fear. Also Harry's not a half blood he has more wizard blood than muggle.
9:06 so the most icon moment is in the most forgotten episode..... insert some philosophical philosophy theory number 42 here.
The Mandrake sounds ever time they are on screen are so funny! XD
I have a theory on how Voldemort lost his nose, he missed the platform 9 wall. Lol.
He got his nose smacked to the wall..LOL
Lmao XD that would be me
ha ha very funny : |
no some one stole his nose
LMAO I’m Dying 😂 😂 😂
Any Harry Potter fan knows this already as it is explicitly explained by Dumbledore in the books directly to Harry. Especially how Voldemort was the deciding factor. In attempting to preempt the prophecy, Voldemort unwittingly played into it, and created his counterpart in the prophecy: Harry Potter. (lol he should have watched That's So Raven.) Like you mentioned, one of the early foundational blocks of Neville possibly being the chosen one is him being sorted into Gryffindor when we were all clearly thinking he'd end up in Hufflepuff. That's why Harry Potter is one of the most brilliant fantasy books ever. It is extraordinarily well thought out. With a really incredible villain origin story might I add (how the genetic in-breeding produced messed up people (scientifically true), Tom being the last ancestor of Slytherin, hating his name, seeking power his whole life, using charm and good looks to manipulate people, etc. Deep psychological stuff going on. Such a well-written villain.). While you may scoff at it, the power of love makes enormous sense. In real life, children who fail to bond to a loving adult, end up with attachment disorder. They hurt people and have no sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Love is VERY important when it comes to human development.
AppeasingPoet But I still love you MatPat and remain a loyal theorist.
Yes! That's what I said! The prophecy could have meant Neville, but Voldemort's actions ensured that it was Harry!
AppeasingPoet The thing is, this is a Flim Theorist channel
AppeasingPoet But Neville Longbottom ensured Voldemort's death with the death of the last horcrux, Nagini.. thus Neville was the chosen one, quite clearly so. Dumbledore uses Harry as bait knowing that Voldemort would suspect Harry was the chosen one. Harry was special like Voldemort and Dumbledore in some ways, but he was no Neville Longbottom.
Fenmio That's assuming that the prophecy refers to a physical mark. It makes sense as a turn of phrase, Voldemort marking as in acknowledging Neville as his enemy, both of them heading armies on the field of battle
Wait, I thought the lighting bolt scar, and making Harry a horcrux was an accidental result of Lilly's interference. Voldemort wasn't marking him as an equal, he was just trying to murder a baby. Theoretically, Longbottom should have been next in line for Voldemort's magical baby murder spree. I read the books, but I don't remember if that ever came up as an actual thing. It's been awhile since I read the books.
I was so excited to be blown away and then I just get a more in depth explanation on exactly what is stated in the books.... But I gave you a thumbs up for the work you put in!
Harry was chosen because he was a halfblood just as Voldemort was. He figured a halfblood would be his equal not a pureblood
@@chattywatty3963 no hes considered a halfblood since he had a muggleborn mother. Only way harry could be a pure loo was if he had a pure blood mother which he didnt
No problem. And yeah I think even JK Rowling has stated that's why harry was the chosen one
Ellie Franks yeah, that’s D’s explanation to Harry
He didn’t even know about that part though
He chose harry bc he thought Harry had a lot of simularity's to himself. That harry was a halfblood was a part of it but not the entire reason.
He acknowledges that J.K. Rowilng already told us this, he just makes it into a 14 minute video instead of a 800 something paged book.
The Order of the Pheonix has 870 pages
Alexis White shut. up.
Either way everyone is making money
@@bestofthewest6463 Dude the person is just helping and Alexis is correct
Order of the Phoenix has 870 numbered pages
Well tbf, he said it was subtle and that only “careful fans” could see it which wasn’t true because it was said straight out in the book pretty much as detailed as how he said it and explained way more concisely in the context of the book than this 14 minute video.
I love Harry Potter and all the movies and this video doesn’t really change my option of anything but I love watching you keep up the good work man
One of the few film theory videos I watched once. Lets have a rewatch.
The prophesy is garbage. Dumbledore points this out in the sixth book. The prophecy (in all its vagueness) happens to come true because Voldemort happens to believe in it.
Also, Neville didn't come up with the gillyweed - that was Barty Crouch Jr.
Departed Reflections Greek Mythology is also filled with these types of prophecies. Self fulfilling prophecies always come across as an Aesop about seeking knowledge of the future to me but done in a larger piece of fiction can come across as a Deus Ex Machina plot device.
Departed Reflections Yeah but matpat only said that he GAVE Harry the gillyweeds. And the idea was actually kinda Nevilles. It was Nevilles own idea even though he wouldn't have gotten the idea without Barty Crouch who gave Neville the book containing the information Harry would need
***** And in the Books Dobby gave it to Harry....
oninoni1234 Good point. Had almost forgotten that to be honest. But i guess since this is Film-Theory we are suposed to go after the movies, but shmeh
Departed Reflections Barty pointed him to the right book. And Dumbledore merely pointed out the same thing that Mattpat did: It was Voldemort who created the chosen one by going to Harry first and (also by what you say) believing that he was the one. That belief caused him to give Harry the connection between them, and pushing Harry down the path (instead of Neville) of fulfilling the prophecy.
Actually Dobby found the gillyweed because "Madeye" let him hear him
Dobby was the real chosen one
That’s in the books, but he was talking about the films.
Good point tho
@@jaredgwynn5954 I wish XD
Plus Neville only knew about it because "Madeye" gave him the book that contained it.
@@buckyball2003 wdym? It was stated in the movie by the fake Madeye that he gave Neville the books, we even have the scene where Madeye tells Neville that he had some books for him or something like that. It was in the movie as well.
After I watch the last film theory, I decided to watch the first one for old times shakes
Ah, so this is a prophecy with a backup chosen one
This is not a theory, this is a fact, it is said in the books, so it's canon
AnimatingDreams But thats just a theory, a FILM theory. Thanks for watching!
No it's not .-.
+AnimatingDreams FILM theory. Not book theory.
it's still canon
AnimatingDreams HELLO "FILM" THEORY! NOT "BOOK" THEORY!
That's why Snape hates Neville because he could have become the chosen one, and Lilly could have survived
Elise Watkins 😱😱😱
Elise Watkins
That makes too much sense, stop it! Seriously though, nice catch.
Elise Watkins Nope. its because Neville was terrible in his class. not to be rude, but yeah. let's face it; Neville is horrible at potions.
lol true
Valentino Smit nor did harry,Neville and dumbledore
Wasn't there an entire scene where Harry thinks about this and the different possible outcomes of Neville being chosen by voldemort instead ?
Also in one of the books when Harry is thinking about Neville it actually states. “Neville could have easily been the chosen one instead of him” which is another part to this
I love how MatPat made a film theory video about something that was already confirmed in the books
so true that was kinda dumb
@@daravenboi the raven💀
huge L on his part
hello person from 2 years ago
Hello person from 1 month ago
The book had talked about this... So yeah
I read it too, but sadly books don't apply...
+Gabriel Van Bockstaele How does the book not apply? The books came first.
I think he means that Film didn't put the books in consideration when making this video.
yeah I mean it's called FILM theory
that's true... but I feel like this isn't really a theory BECAUSE it was mentioned
The way I always looked at it was it could’ve been either Harry or Neville, but since Voldemort chose to go after Harry himself in person (he sent death eaters after neville’s parents) that’s what cemented Harry as the chosen one. If he switched it up and went after Neville’s parents and send the death eaters to lily and James then it’d be Neville long bottom and sorcerers stone 🤣
10:45
a thought here. Technically (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this whole many worlds and alternate timelines thing it hard for me to wrap my head around) Voldemort wasn't the one who had a choice to make. It was Rowling. She decided what Voldemort would decide as she wrote Order of the Phoenix, and in doing so created an alternate timeline for all the books that came before _and_ after it. Right? Does that follow the logic of this, I'm barely following the logic of it at all.
But this isn't really a theory. In the books it is explained that harry or neville could be the chosen one, but Voldemort decided to believe Harry is the chosen one... This isn't a theory, if you have read the books.
When do the books ever say that?!
The book when Harry learns about the prophecy. The fifth or sixth one i think.
What language? It might not be in the English books.
Allison Koester End of the 5th book, which is the source for this video talking about it at 11:08
Allison Koester it was in the english books.
Voldemort chose Harry because Harry was a half-blood like Voldemort and thus Voldemort felt himself to be more like Harry. However, he was trying to eliminate Harry and make Neville his target.
Exactly
Good point. By trying to eliminate Harry, he unknowingly marked him as his equal.
Alexander Henderson Harry is a half-blood because Lily is muggle-born.
Terezi Pyrope lily is half blood but harry is not because both parents are magical
Alexander Henderson Whether your parents are magical or not doesn't matter. Lily's entire family are muggles, while James' is magical, therefore making Harry half-blood.
Wait this is the first film theory and its one of the best ones
11:43
Yea I`m kinda a Ravenclaw too
There's a fact everyone ignore: even if Voldemort had picked Neville first, things wouldn't have played out the same, since the only reason Harry survived and got the power to defeat him is because his mother had a choice and CHOSE to sacrifice her life. I mean surely Lily is not the first parent to be willing to die for their child (so did James) but with her it was different because she had the choice. Why? Because Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily's life. Would he have done the same for Alice? No. Neville would have died. Therefore Harry was always meant to be the Chosen One. It could never have been Neville.
You hv a pretty fair point. This comment is underrated. It needs more likes and recognition
@@silversunshine2410 Would probably need more diehard fans thinking about that or coming up with a response on it. To me is also a fair point indeed
@@WeirdDuck781 yeah. I hope people find this comment. The confusion will reduce a bit I guess if they do
Holy fudge you’re right 😳
child of prophecy is clearly remark as TWO by JKR. while 'The chosen one' is the one whom Voldemort choose since the book title narrative. while 'Child of prophecy' suppose to who make job done which also by the two boys, one who raised army to defeat Death Eaters (later defeat his last Horcrux) and another one who confront him directly.
Anyone who has read the books knows this. It's hardly a theory, it's a well known fact to be honest.
Tekkie74 yes that’s so true. I have all the books
@@Mr.Bob-Gray everyone dous
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I was trying to explain this theory to my sister (she's a decently big Harry Potter fan, but I don't think she's read the books. She loves all the movies, though), but I just couldn't word it right, so she was misunderstanding what I was saying.
So I just had her watch it on my phone (big day today, I got her to watch this and got my grandma to watch a food theory episode with me. Nobody ever listens to me when I talk about something from these channels) and she made arguments against it here and there before she paused and went back to think on her arguments before agreeing to the points.
At the end of the video, she didn't seem to buy into it, but she basically said that this theory had good points, was put together well and was just, ya know? *Good*
So good job, dude! You impressed my sister and had her understand a few things she was confused about!
Maybe I can *finally* get someone in my family to watch these videos with me? It'd be nice to have someone understand what I'm talking about for once.
The fact that Neville could have been the chosen one is very well explained in the books. and the reason that Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort chose to mark him with that scar
She did set that up on purpose.
EXACTLY
Harry was chosen to defeat Voldemort, Neville was chosen to lead the army
+AliceGrace Good point, but what if were all the chosen one's because love and other reasons.
Absolutely, I just reread the books for nostalgia, and this whole video is literally just what was said in the books. (Maybe this is for the film watchers only?) Voldie knew about both kids being born at the time he knew the prophecy stated but chose Harry because he wasn't a full blood like himself as Neville was a full blood. (Voldilogic?)
Hope Neville kills the second most evil witch/wizard:
Umbridge >:(
Not himmm!!!
Bellatrix lestrange and Miss McDonagh Umbridge is a woman which means she’s a witch
Ooooooooof
No umbrige (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the most evil
Actually he did kill voldemort, he killed nagini
Film theory is ending so just enjoying the first film theory they posted
3:14 yeah,yeah I know who it is It is Nevile it says in both book and the movie
I KNOW IT
MatPat: Yeah Yeah, The fifth book was some filler (blah blah)
Ron (Editor): **makes a scene with Sirius Black getting killed**
Me: **sobbing**
@Bread NoLastName you could just not click on any harry potter videos...
@Bread NoLastName ... okie then
He is so stupid it said this in the book
Dahlia Baharuddin #relaitible
Me too
They literally mention in the books that the prophecy COULD have been about neville. if harry hat not been born one day later, neville would have been the chosen one.
No, they both could've been the chosen one, except the CHOSEN one was chosen by Voldemort
iamanenigma unknowntotheworld i agree that they are both the chosen one, but if one was not alive (or born), the other would be the chosen one
Actually, none of the, were the chosen one. Trelawney's prophecy was actually a bunch of nonsense, or the equivalent of. If her prophecy had been a description of Seamus Finnigan, and Voldemort had tried to kill him instead of Harry, and his mother protected him, he would have been the chosen one, not Harry. This goes for everyone in the wizarding world. It was Voldemort's belief of the prophecy which was what made it true to him, but it was never true until Voldemort made it true.
iamanenigma unknowntotheworld that is also a theme of the books. You can make your own danger by being afraid of something.
***** Just curious, what holes are you referring to. I don't know many in the series.
what a great theory!😊 i wonder if there is anything in the books about it?😅
Matt Pat is the only one who can make a fact, clearly stated from the book sound like the best video ever
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Before watching this:
It's Neville isn't it, If you say Neville IMMA BE SOO ANGRY BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY MENTION IT IN THE BOOK
Random_ 824 I KEPT SAYING THAT TOO
Exactly what I was going to say 😈
Random_ 824 right that was already covered
Random_ 824 Yeah, but, the sad thing is, how many read the books? You’d be surprised by how many people just wait for the movies. Which is unfortunate. The books show more than the movies can ever do.
same I haven't watched it yet
Neville Longbottem and the sorcerers stone
Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it
Let's try the other one
Neville longbottom and the philosophers Stone
Yeah still
Actually if you think about it nothing that isnt created sounds right for example instead of say KFC it was AFC
but if J.K Rowling had CHOSEN to call it Neville Longbottom and The Sorcerers Stone, Harry Potter would've sounded weird.
pet peeve: the original book was the philosophers stone
It's Longbott _o_ m not Longbott _e_ m
It’s been a while since I read the book, but if I’m not mistaken in Order of the Phoenix the movie, the spherical prophecy that Harry retrieves in the Ministry of Magic had his name on it. He was the only one that could take it and that’s when it spoke the prophecy about him having to battle Voldemort and one couldn’t live while the other also lived. So that right there made Harry the chosen one as well. Granted we don’t know Neville’s as it wasn’t shown.
when bellatrix or however people spell it did the pain curse Neville was not born well not yet and for the love thing to actually happen that someone has to DIE from protecting you for you to get their love protection and also Neville did NOT give harry the gillyweed Dobby did when Barty jr (looked like mad eye moody) made dobby to give harry the gillyweed.
I believe (or think for sure) that in the books neville does not do something to Voldemort Voldemort the three (or more) professors weakened Voldemort and harry went out of the invisibility cloak and finished Voldemort off. But I still think this video is great!
Who else read the books and was facepalming the whole time
Eyes roll the whole time!!!!!!
Yeah. but this is film theory, not novel theory
@@johnathonstorrey2693 Yeah. I know. Thats what i was going to say too. But then i remembered that he _did_ read the books (he mentioned in the begining of the episode) and it's not like he hasnt used books in his other theories
Altho i guess this is one of his earlier ones. So he might have just been trying this out. And i can see why he might not have actually read the books (seeing how looonnnggg they are) but that doesn't mean i cant find it stupid
yeah, he just made a video saying whatever he wanted, no one should take what he says as a fact and he just wanted to say it as something he wanted to make a video about bc why not
Petition for matpat to READ Harry Potter.
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well this is FILM theory and not BOOK theory after all, so obviously he will base it off the films not the books
@@lilaharrison3770 make him make "the book theorists"
@@lilaharrison3770 But the movies are based off of the books, so it isn't really a THEORY if it's proven by the books. Anyway, this is a petition for him to read the books, not a criticism that he didn't do a theory about the books. Also, did you watch his episode about the eagles in lord of the rings (ua-cam.com/video/lMXX2YsrxsE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TheFilmTheorists)? I thought this was FILM theory and not BOOK theory or LETTER theory.
Finding the lore in films since 2015
'He will have power the Dark Lord knows not...'
Literally applies to everyone who has a nose
Didn't the book clearly state that Neville COULD HAVE been the chosen one but Voldemort CHOSE Harry?
yes it did!
Strawberry Wolfy AJ Yes but I'm guessing a lot of people who've seen the movies haven't read the books.
Strawberry Wolfy AJ ikr also jk rowling said her self even if he was the chosen one he would not be able to defeat voldemort i forgot y
Strawberry Wolfy AJ yes yes it did
FILM theory dude
Mat did you even read the books?
Dumbledore explains all about how Neville could have been the chosen one and everything.
He mentions that, instead of watching the books you should read the movies
FILM theory...not book theory, anyway, he did read the books.
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Well... if the books explain it, he doesn’t need to make a theory on it because the books already did
In this video, he also mentions Dumbledore explaining that theory at 10:59
Yeah, but this theory was less about Neville being another possible chosen one, as it is clearly written out in the books.
It's more about both of them being the chosen two's, even after Voldemorts decision of picking Harry.
this was randomly reccomended to me. man I miss the old intro! nostalgia at its finest 😂
i already knew this theory but i still watched it because ur vids are awesome
True Nevil meets all these criteria but one... Voldemort didn't choose him and that's a pretty big factor when considering we are talking about the CHOSEN ONE ("one" being another key word not "two"). But can we take a moment to just appreciate that Harry Potter actually does a prophesy right!! I'm looking at you Star Wars.
+The Cinema Cowboy Can't breath. Laughing too much. That is the funniest shots fired I have read.
+The Cinema Cowboy THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SAYING
+The Cinema Cowboy roses are red
violets are blue
you were my brother anakin
I LOVED YOU!
+The Cinema Cowboy Technically Star wars did have the prophecy right since it was actually Anakin who killed Darth Sidious and he made there be an equal amount of Jedi and Sith by killing most of the Jedi.
actually anakin completed the prophecy,because of that he was no longer the chosen one (and became evil)if this is wrong please respond
I love how he's acting like its a whole new discovery he made, while in reality theres a whole chapter and a half dedicated to explaining exactly this
That is just every single one of his theorys
Yeah that is so true
Exactly!
And then it's talked about and referenced multiple times throughout the rest of the series 😂 this is the only video Matpat has ever let us down though.
“Hey you, Scar boi”
*Shows Scarface*
Hermione said in Order of the Phoenix that the sorting hat considered putting her in Ravenclaw, so the Sorting Hat talked to her
I noticed from the beginning that film theory is player two in the possibly four channels you'll have
Channel theories....
icedlemongamer But thats Just a theory! A channel theory! thanks for subscribing!
icedlemongamer Music- and Book Theory?
I thought everyone knew that.
TheRelentlessKnight it's thanks for reading.... Cause ya know, it's a comment
Matpat: thats just a theory, a film theory
Everyone who has actually read the books: NO ITS NOT ITS FACTS
i still love your channel btw
or, yes a film theory since its not called book theory
@@jellbeeboy nah... In other theories the content of books in considered cannon, so that should apply here as well
Book gang
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Me who read all books: you think this is new?????
Kinda late, but "either way" was a pun 14:03 ?
you ever just return to an old video and you look at the upload date seeing "6 years ago" and feel old even tho you just became an adult within the last couple years...
like i remember when this channel was announced and it feels like it was only like 1.5 years ago