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The HIT guys saying the volume guys dont work. The Volume guys saying the HIT wont work. You saying neither will work but yours. Man money ruins EVERYTHING in this world.
Just experiment and gather experience then, figure it out.
All of this will work to some level. Even for naturals. You just need to periodize the methods because of repeated bout effect.
Study HST method and you will understand the basic idea.
Both work. But do them correctly.
If you have recovery problems do low volume HIT.
If you are good at recovery do High Volume
Hit works for anyone if done properly. I've put 4 inches on my chest and 2 inches on my arms. From 40 workouts in the last year aged 60. So nobody can tell me it doesn't work. What people are ALWAYS fighting is their actual addiction to training for the sake of training.
Not what works. If I can get stellar results at 60. Nobody has any excuses. Aside from their addiction to training. It's as simple as that..
High volume & high intensity both worked for me... Best thing I noticed was always going from high volume to progression to higher intensity and restart after peaking.
1 "Connection" set that is light intensity and around 5 reps shy of failure (around 15 to 20 reps)
1 "Feeding" set that is moderate weight and around 2 reps shy of failure (around 10-15 reps)
1" Failure" set that is high intensity and going for technical failure. (around 6 to 12 reps)
-3 exercises for big muscle groups and 2 for small ones.
-Every body part trainned every 6 to 7 days with the exception of abs and calves that needs 2 times/week.
This is what is working for me for 20+ years of training.
The high frequency training were always making me becoming smaller no matter the volume and intensity being high or low.
Nice but I need to train calves and shoulders 3x a week one to two exercises five sets 20-30 reps to failure.
👍👍👍
I like that! Connection, feeding, failure. 👍
Same for me
I never get why people do feeder sets tying to stay 2-3 reps away from failure. They probably wasted two sets here, since they most likely stopped 5 or more sets to failure. Warming up loading up the weight ( may take 5-6 warming up sets ). Doing a true failure set and a BAck off in some cases is more than enough. I never get the suboptimal work of feeder sets, maked no sense to me.
I'm on a high volume PPL routine right now. Going into week 3 tomorrow and I feel great. It's not for everyone, but I think implementing something like this as a change out to bro split of something else is well worth it if you can handle it. Of course, making sure that mind to muscle connection is always there. This is the first time I do something like this and regret not trying it sooner. I'm not a bodybuilder, just a 50 year young man staying fit and healthy.
I'm a big fan of ppl split and i've been trying to implement HIT training method with PPL routine lately. How does your routine look and how much times a week do you go to the gym?
I do 6 sets per week per muscle group, working great for me 🙂
What does that mean? Getting bigger or just going up on arbitrary numbers which doesn't always mean anything? 6 sets once a week or split up? To failure?
I’ve just started high volume, but I’m natural and 59yrs old
I’m doing 300 reps ,3 exercise one body part
But I have to admit the pump I’m getting is unbelievable
And for basically an old man I’m walking around pumped and looking good
Love the good strong sensible information your giving
Keep up the very good work
Will keep you informed how I get on
At the moment
15 sets x 20 reps so today
Converging bench 100 reps
Decline bench 100 reps
Incline bench 100 reps
All the best and keep up the good work
Sean 6’6” tall 126kgs so not a little man lol 😂
Similar size to me Sean. I’m 6’6 at 121kgs. Would love to know how many calories you consume most days mate?
@@andrewwalker5042
Hi Andrew, I never calorie count I eat a lot
Before gym tin of rice pudding plus sliced banana and I take a 50gm shake to gym with me after training 2nd breakfast scrambled egg with two slices of whole meal seeded toast
And that’s just the start of the day lol
You have to remember I’m also 59 next feb 60
Recently was videoed in the gym do six reps with 250kgs on the heavy duty lat machine
So very strong but trying this high volume to see what shape I can get in
Have to admit it is hard but it’s like a cardio workout as well as training
Any help I can give just ask
Us big blokes have to stick together as it’s bloody hard for us lol too big a frame to slab loads of muscle on
And talk about finding clothes to fit lol
try taking 1 TEASPOON of baking soda 20 min before you hit the gym, it's completely safe don't worry. The pump is incredible.
300 reps ? Are u crazy ? Try putting some weight on the bar & stop training like a big girl.
Good info. I fully agree that 10-20 sets per week is great, and one needs to find their per session minimum set requirements too. Too little it stays merely as exercise, too much it turns catabolic, just right its training.
Once someone finds their per session requirement and how long they need to rest to redo it again, then they'll figure out what is better from 10 to 20 sets per week.
I had the best gains having more than 20 working sets per body part when I had to prioritize my weak links.
Don't underestimate the power of having a high amount of work on something that is not responding, because 99 times out of 100, it just needs more work.
@@mds7569 good point, agreed
@@KenanTurkiye and I also noticed that my bench press tends to drop from 145 kgs 1 rep max when I go lower than 22 working sets per week on it, and chest gets flatter.
Instead I get significantly stronger when I move to 26+ per week.
A few years ago I coached a guy that wanted its arms to explode, because they were lagging even if he got a pretty good size on them, so I gave him 5 sets of 3 different curls, 5 sets of 3 different triceps isolation and 5 sets of 3 different wrist and forearm work and he had to do it 3 times a week, only suggestion on loads was "do them in the range of 6-10 reps each".
He did it, and after three months of this complete madness he sent me a photo where there was a measurement of his right arm: 45 centimeters and he started with 43.
For a natural guy weighing 87 kgs and 182 cms tall, it was incredibly big and it still today was the biggest measurement he saw on his body.
Bro up the volume on your diologue.
Bro, make your own fuckin video
@@JesusOnlySavesEternally
Nah he's right it's way too quiet. It helps Pete because more people will watch him if he makes his content as well as possible and feedback like this helps to do that.
@@JesusOnlySavesEternally😭😭😭
You're killin me 😂😂😂
High volume has always worked for me always will work for me and the best results of my life came from lite to moderate weight loads and higher volume sets with short rest periods in-between along with cardio.. everyone is different so u can't just toss out a blanket video title saying it won't work for someone.
High Volume is scientifically terrible for EVERYBODY, no exceptions, so stop with this bullshit "but for me its good!" No, its not good for anybody who's natural. And everyone's training requirements are the EXACT same, you lift to absolute failure to tear your muscles down so protein synthesis can happen so it can be repaired and grow bigger and stronger. The harder you train the faster you grow, but the harder you train the less time you can spend training, and so if you do high volume youre aren't training hard enough. If you do, then in an hour, you are already exhausted and training hard for over an hour can cause overtraining, (talking from experience).
If you want to maximize muscle growth you should workout for NEVER more than 45 minutes to an hour. If you train for 2+ hours, then you're training is terrible, you arent tearing the muscles down or training to failure. So stop with this child-like logic that "more is better".
@StepOne lmao look at my profile picture pretty sure High Volume worked for me bud, go hate somewhere else 🙃
@@cobaltss50 lmao you look great, this dude just thinks mentzer is God
How can you know which is better for you or when you reached your max potential if you havent fully tried HIT for at least 6 months?
@@ChristIsLord229 Lol his high volume means hes training for endurance without knowing it and he could've grown way faster and more muscle if he wouldve done H.I.T, i bet hes only like 70 Kilograms not even 80 kg of pure muscle lol
I tend to make progress when I consistently take the last set to failure. To make sure the target muscle fails pre-exhaust with isolation movements before compound movements. Yes you will lift less weight but muscles don't know how much weight you lift only how much they are working. Build your muscles not your ego.
Pretty straightforward. Pick a split that suits you. Eg PPL, train with intensity 1-2 RIR. Add in as much volume as YOU can recover from and maintain intensity.
I can agree with that. I do less sets per week(I'm in my mid 50's)but I also take the last set or two to failure. I also focus on one exercises for the big muscle groups in each session. At the moment its Close Grip Bench with chains and weight on Monday and Dips with chains and weight on Friday. Four sets on each but the last two sets are roughly 90% and last one taken to absolute positive failure. If I backed-off I'm sure I could add another exercise.
Currently this is working great...I see reps gains every workout on nearly every exercise(among other exercises for other bodyparts).
It's structured to increase tricep strength for a serious spinal cord injury caused by a quiropractor when I was 42.
What's your opinion on full-body three times a week
People lack common sense. You can't go high volume and failure at the same time
Your ideas transformed me bro...
Keep going 🔥
He's right guys, High Volume is the only method that really works. Also the science is now definite that *_stopping short of failure 2-3 reps is thee most productive method_* even more productive then going to failure! Try it, I've switched to training like this for the last 6months and put over 1.5 inchs on my arms which would stubbornly refuse to grow anymore It's like your body is aching to do more but you don't let, keep a little in reserve, it's almost like teasing the muscles to grow
It's good that he cleared this up; the high volume/high frequency training concept.
Yo Pete! I just bought your program and i wonder if i should increase the weight each set on the exercises with normal sets and super sets
Once you can do more reps than the target rep range it’s time to add weight💪🏻
No. only the pyramid sets. The 5x5 for example is 2 warm up sets then 3 work sets with all the same weight. He gives examples. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, in which case...my bad.
should all the sets in the pyramid exercises be taken close to failure or just the last set in the pyramid?
@@ishm24 the last 3 is your working sets and first 2 warm ups. But your last 2 sets should be 1-2 reps shy of failture
@@warrioratthewall1969 So on the normal sets you can increase the weight each set until you feel like if you put more weight on you can’t do the minimum reps the program says you to do?
Is 5x5 training good for someone who’s been lifting for 7 months? Just to get the base strength established?
Yep, and then you can work in isolations and higher rep schemes after establishing a good base of strength
@@baldsportsfan9368 Thank you.
Its perfect
Your vids are quite quiet at the moment. Just thought I should say. Great content as usual. 💪
1:27 That could be because way more people train with high volume.
High volume won’t work for me because I’m old, natty, and I don’t know how to gear down from going to muscular failure (well except on the squats, where I do drop sets with deliberate eccentrics). When I was younger, I did a higher volume bro split. It worked some, but I think I would have had better strength and mass with less volume and more emphasis on recovery.
I’ve been using a Mentzer-ish philosophy in my 50’s, and it’s been working pretty well. I wish I could have tried it in my 30’s to see how it would have turned out.
Anyway, I’m going to go find out why HIT won’t work for me, either. 😀
Yeah, higher volume approach certainly works up to a certain point. For me that was until I progressed enough for my workouts to become too intense to maintain the usual 2-3 times a week schedule. I simply couldn't recover in that time. And that's exactly when I stumbled upon the HIT approach. I am not a fanatic or anything, just found that this particular approach works better for me when the training sessions are intense, and for natural lifters they have to be since progressive overload is the bread and butter of progress.
Mentzer and Heavy Duty is correct, it's done more for me and everyone I know that's actually done it correctly
This right on the money. When people bash high volume it’s often because they are thinking of some guy walking around the gym doing 50 sets of junk volume with 40% effort.
This video nails my criticism of the HIT crew. In fairness I’m doing HIT type workouts right now but I also know what actual failure is and how to make it work for me.
Great video.
Did HIT work for you?
@@shrexyboi1850 I have a hard time answering if it "worked" persay. I've been training over 20 years and I'm past my bbing days so I'm literally fighting to not even add muscle, but to just keep something to be a shell of my former self. I have gone to sort of a HIT variation on and off and I do like it. The difference is, I'll do a workout EOD so the frequency is pretty high. Right now I'm doing full body HIT, every other day and I love it but when you think about it I'm still doing decent volume over the course of the week.
Looking at say hamstrings, I'll have 3-4 sets of curls to failure, 2 sets of deadlifts to failure and residual ham work from squats or other leg movements so I end up with like 6 very hard failure sets for hams a week of direct work and another 3ish of secondary work from squats or leg press, etc. I recover fine and I love it but I also only go to true positive muscle failure and don't to assisted or forced reps or drop sets or anything like that.
@@donutfitness6324 fair assessment. thank you
Neat. Good stuff and really something to look into
Because you're not on gear a'nd not eating enough
What should i do?
@@frigo975 be on gear a'nd eat well
@@shred9475 Is It possible to get at least 200 lb of muscle? Staying Natural?
@@frigo975 no
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Do you think that muscle fiber type (fast/slow...type1/2) play a "significant " role, when it comes to volume/intensity differences. (Even, per muscle group).
Or is not relevant enough, to risk people over-complicating things?
Pete can correct me if I’m wrong. But I do believe he goes with, each body part 2-3 times a week. One day for the muscle group lower reps the other day higher reps. So that you do hit each muscle fiber in any given week
Why not both?
Full body, near to failure 6 sets per muscle daily
Where in the Encyclopedia are the things you are mentioning?
I have the book, 1998 edition, it must be in Book 2 (he calls parts of the book like that, it is actually Part 2 of the book), but I cannot find the exact things you are talking about...
Quads fail when you do olympic style squats & doing completely slow negatives Klokov style, powerlifting incorporates too much hip & glutes and reliance on low back trying to force the weight up
It works ! Even as a natural athlet - but just for 4-6 weeks in the summer time...if you do it longer, you will fall into overtraining...i tried 😏💪🏻⚡
I tried so many High Volume methods, like PPL, Arnold split and etc. none of them didn't work for me.
So i tried the High Intensity Training (Low Volume) and i see the progress. Like my arms are getting bigger, especially my triceps. My chest, shoulders and back are finally starting to take shape. Every leg session is just 45 minutes in hell.
And all this just because i cutted my sets from 4 to 1 and trained to failure.
Volume can work for you too, but
It depends on the body itself.
Because rest days are more important than stimulating muscle growth.
HIT allows you to rest as much as you want (for example i take 3 to 4 rest days a week), while High Volume splits like Arnold's allows you to take only 1 rest day a week.
Are you doing dorian yates blood and guts by any chance?
@@nathanharvey9420 actually yes, i was doing Mike Mentzer's heavy duty for around 8 weeks.
Then i decided to try if Dorian Yates's blood and guts do something.
It's almost my 2nd week of blood and guts and i can say both of them are great methods for muscle growth, in Dorian's you can warm up with the exercise you're going to do.
@@solidd21k48 hey bro can we talk on insta ?
Yea some people like you and me have trouble recovering between sessions even if the load is light and u leave like 3 reps in reserve. So a program with higher intesity and more rest days is more apropriate for those kind of people. I've been training with my brother for a long time now and he usually recovers 2 days before me while my chest for example is fatigued for a least 6 days even with moderate intesity
Yeah man that's the point. That's the role of genetics as well. Some people (like me) nowadays didn't realise how they are trying a bodybuilder's high volume high frequent training while the bodybuilder itself can recover so fast because of the gear.
Even when Mentzer was on gear he used to train with High intensity training 4 times a week (He hit all muscle group twice).
So that's why HIT is a good opinion for a natural lifter.
what you consider high volume ...it seem s extremely low volume to what i did for many years and even today at 63... i am most definitely working on being smarter about my training... I have over trained my entire life... the 3 days on one day off seems great i just need to tone it down in intensity and volume and switch it up a bit with exercises...thanks for sharing
As a natural bodybuilder I can say that high volume works 100% of the time. Better pumps, better mind and muscle connection , and bigger muscles are achieved with high volume training. Anyone telling you it's not worth it is telling you lies. But if you're a true natural bodybuilder then you know that the real gym is in the kitchen.
100% , ok.
I find that lower volume works better for strength, high volume always stalls my progress
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Do you think 12-15 sets for large muscle groups is good enough if you take most sets to failure
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines My main issue currently is whether i should increase frequency or just prioritize greater volume on the days i trains (4-5 days a week)
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Ok thanks, I'll do this after Ramadan finishes
Solid video
Si basically high volume training is moderate volume training, noted.
I’m more toward HIT in recent years just because of lack of time and unable to go to the gym 4 or plus time a week. I’m close to 50.
I'm currently doing Arnolds training program in the encyclopedia of bodybuilding. It's only been a week and It's grueling ecspecially as I've been out of the gym for years but I feel myself getting stronger and the workouts are fun.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I'm doing the basic level 1 program at the minute man. The recovery is the biggest issue I still feel muscle soreness after days.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Thanks for the support brother I appreciate that.
Really who has 3 hours to spend commuting to the gym plus workout? And if you have a home gym, 2 hours? 5x5 is best for overall size and strength, which takes under and hour. Thats why they teach it in gym classes and athletics. Youre not doing 20 sets for chest at football practice...
Ahhhhhhhhh! Now I see what you mean. Thanks Pete! ☺️
Peter I'm interested in your views on post workout nutrition in particular whey and fast digesting carbs and casein before bed could you do a video please thanks for the great content keep up the good work
If ur gonna eat carbs, do it right before training. Eating protein directly after a workout is mostly a myth. Doesn't really matter, just eat high protein 5 times a day. Casein is good for bed as opposed to whey
Thanks King.
Nice summary. Wish the unit of time (per week) was defined right at the beginning.
Volume is working for me. Switched to high volumes and I changed a lot.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines you're right!!!
For me the goldilock zone is not low weekly volume (granted I start a given mesocycle low-ish (8sets) but i then titrtate up till volume ceiling is reached) but absofuckinglutly is low intra session volume. This is what i found works best. Do i need more volume? I only up the sets per exercice per session ever so slightly. Should i need more? I add more sessions/add 1-2 additional exercices. Can it become complex? Or unfeasible if you cant train at home? Sure. But i have such an access. Volume is not a bad metric, if anything its the true driver of hypertrophy. What can be your nemesis certainly is high intrasession volume. For the nth time people that say you can go balls to the wall max effort 12 times in a row 0-1RIR and still be within your target repranges and within relevant loads are straight out cappin.
I do high volume training or endurance training, start at 5-10 pounds and work my way up to max, five pounds at a time for ALL my exercises.
I did 8 months of PPL, did everything by the book, hitting each body part 2x/week, 4x12 reps. Barely increased my strength (check my 'starting' lifts in my comment on the other video). What went wrong?
Low volume all the way. Each muscle group 1x per week, 4-5 sets with drop set at the end. Under 3 hours a week and great results. Only way to look like the dude in the video is with PEDs anyways.
Pete please tell us how much to rest between sets.
He's juiced
Hi Peter. I think that people didnt get result from Heavy Duty training beacause they just
didnt stuck to all principles that Mike Mentzer advocate.
1. They use normal tempo Like 1 second positive, 0 static and 2 seconds negative or something Like that, instead of 4 seconds positive, 2 seconds static and 4 seconds negative.
2. They do too many sets per body part. Instead of 6-9, they should do 2-3 or even 1set( for example biceps)
3. They train too often. Instead of training every 48 hours for example they should try train every 72-96 hours or even less.
LMAO at having to lift slo mo for 1 set every fortnight to make shit work. Nah tks.
Don’t be fooled by HIT jedis. I’m not even a fan of high volume routines but I can tell you for a fact that HIT is simply ineffective
Hi Peter
What do you think about mike mintzer and his way of training ? High intensity training ?
Please share your ideas
I have a hard time stopping short of failure or beyond.
Love the video's for bigger arms what is best close grip barbell curls or regular barbell curls
As a person who has fluctuated between rank beginner to advanced beginner (double plus bodyweight squat and deadlift, 1.5 bodyweight bench with my long arms, bodyweight plus 20 pounds on C&J), I have always found five sets per workout, two workouts per week to be enough to induce hypertrophy. These are all work-sets, ranging from about 60% to 85% of 1 rep max. Anything more than ten sets and I am just eating my recovery. Not good. Only once a week for deadlift or C&J. I generally go pretty close to failure (1-2 reps max left in the tank) EXCEPT on the first set. The first set is generally 2-3 reps from failure.
Can you share your program?
you have to be careful with failure training too. I'm a 44 year old meat head and i'm loving dan john/pavels easy strength.
10 sets a week is nothing
For a big muscle
Doing 3 exercise for a chest day 3-4 sets 6-10 reps adding more weight between each set, how many sets should a beginner take to failure?
Won’t
It’s really very simple… intensely and recovery!
for over 7 months now im doing a 5 day full body workout. being a very driven person, i go hard, 10 exercises, 3 sets each, 10 reps. altough i love pushing myself and have seen great results, ive gotta admit im exhausted. Today is only the second day this year i am not going to the gym. my shoulder hurts, my legs are wobbly, i might need a break from it. (which is the hardest part for me)
You look like a good candidate for the dreaded high intensity! Mike Mentzer likes to point out that your muscles don't grow in the gym - they grow while they're being rested. Intensity techniques like negative training get your muscles sore quickly - so you can have shorter, and fewer, gym sessions. You'll have both more time and more energy. Your drive can then be directed to where it should be - creating value for customers and a better life for yourself.
5 full body days a week doesn't give your body enough time to recover. Full body is a maximum of 3 days a week.
Just train the way thats most fun for you, i really enjoy low volume with all my sets being past failure with partials/assisted reps
So, what will work? The other vid says Hugh intensity wont work ? Shall i just do 3 sets of 3 with 50% of my max?
i do 50 sets back per week all to failure as a natural am i doing too much ?
Question for you when doing HVT or training in particular say you're doing 4 exercises 4 sets each last one to or close to failure. The 3 sets leading up to that are they just warm up sets with no intensity. Just to get you ready or are you still working yourself before the last set? How would you even know the weight to use? Are the sets in between musclebuilding?
Do you think that if you run a marathon of 42 kilometers, only the last 2 are the ones that build your resistance, or maybe the more you run, the more you make your body adapt to it?
Of cours that the sets not close to failure are still building, because if only the failure was the training part, you could have just tested your 1 rep max, failed it, and then you were done, because you've reached failure.
It is the fkin BUILDUP that creates adaptation, so the more you can work close getting to failure with good form, the more you will have results.
Because you're on gear!
So ive been doing high volume high intensity
Dont offence but for last 10 years how much muscles you build on high volume? 25 Pounds? That 2.5 Pounds for year od something Like that. That's very little.
Dont get me wrong , you have fantastic phisique , that i could only dream, but it take
so much time to devoloped. I have no doubt that with your genetivus you could easily build 15-20 Pounds in 6 months , doing 1 set to failure with vith very slow movement.
4 seconds positive, 2 seconds static, 4 seconds negative. At least try this. You have nothing to Loose. Sincerely Maciej from Poland.
Hey bro can we talk on insta I m trying same method
High volume with heavy weight think about that guys
How many sets per week do you reccomend for each bodypart?
12-20 sets
Not taking each set to failure will be a hard pill for me to swallow as ive trained that way for years and it has certainly produced results, i could at least try for a week and do 1 rep in reserve on each set :o
What if you still go to failure, do high frequency and still manage to recover?
I’m in a similar boat as you. Geoffrey Verity Schofield has talked about how over time you can probably adapt to failure so it’s not so disruptive. Recovery is a big part - if you’re recovering fine, you might grow more if you add another set, as long as you can still recover and progress. For isolation or safe, easier to recover from movements (most machines, cables, some DB work like lateral raises, any row that doesn’t tax the lower back), going to failure should be your default and you can and maybe should go past failure regularly.
I’d say squats and deadlifts should be 1-3 RIR, maybe 4. Bench too if you don’t have a spotter or safeties. I plan to start talking most of my compounds (like pull-ups and DB bench) to just 1 RIR and stick with that for months or maybe even a year (should be during a bulk). If you find recover is better, you can do more sets and possibly grow more from that (and maybe reduce wear on the body too). I recommend you try that too.
@@calvinlawn3457 Thanks for a good reply, yeah i like the idea of at least 1 RIR on the compound lifts. It should also logically lead to better consecutive sets until you are done since you save alot of batteries from not going to total failure.
On the bench press i could really use the idea of leaving 1 rep in the tank since i dont have a spotter.
@@theswede5402 It won’t hurt to try things out. Some people respond better to higher volumes while others respond to higher effort. Same thing goes with exercise selection, frequency, diet, etc. There are individual differences. I think auto-regulation is a great approach and can give you insight into what’s best for you.
Good luck bro!
Peter. I am a 48 year young man training Arnold style since my late teens au naturel consistently. Now all these years I have considerable doms. As I write this I have doms. What is your take on this?
What is dom?
@@hunkyhaggis2161
Delayed
Onset
Muscle
Soreness
@@dre359 Ah, thanks.
@@hunkyhaggis2161 Delayed onset muscle soreness.
Arnold trained 2 times a day
You dont
Volume too low. Can't hear.
Have to be mentally focused, it will work
Absolutely
U need to pin too
1:28 💯
depending if you are training
for Fluff or strength
bodybuilding = fluff
You're young this works good for a young guy. Someone in the game 20 + years like me this is a bad idea. Too many miles on the joints and too many lagging injuries
I’ve been in the game 20 years myself 💪🏻
@@PeterKhatcherian I use resistance bands to do overhead standing shoulder press, though this exercise also works my biceps and triceps. I have a lighter weight band where I get 25 to 30 reps, till I can't move my arms. I work my muscles to failure without hurting my joints with excessive weight.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines aren't you the same guy telling me dorian yates didn't do HIT and yet you have videos specifically for him on your channel. Lol
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines that's fine you can still go heavy I don't need to my frame is already bigger than the guy who does this channel. And I have more muscle mass than 99% of the population
I don't recommend doing 10 sets or more ...I think alot of these body builders forget there on juice and can get away with that but not realizing alot of there audience are natural and that wouldn't work unless ur going light weight. Keep it 4 to 6 sets per muscle group working each group twice in the week. This works for me as a natural
😂😂 10 sets is nothing
@@promo130 ok
Sounds about right to me.
Ten sets is too much volume for me.
I've done that and just couldn't recover.
So you do 4 to 6 sets , for example chest
what do you do and with which weight?
@@colonalklink14 muscles need 24 to 48 hours to recover, with the right spliy you can train every other day
Doesnt matter if your still sore
Missed the mark on this one.
Nobody said take squats to failure... Only close and finish the legs with leg presses/extensions
El Peter
Arnold didn't use the high volume split training routines in his book to build his foundation, he used Reg Park's full-body routines. Isn't form failure a good gage for hypertrophy training? Also what's the difference between 3-4 good sets to failure and one giant set to failure or a super set with a pre-fatigue, working set and an isometric hold or forced rep negative to failure? In the grand scheme of things, that is.
Exactly. What espoused in his books and muscle comics was completely anithetical to what he actually did in the gym or the kitchen. Arnold starred In a film called True Lies when it should have been the title for his biography
@@carvedouttastone I get it, it's like the content creators these days, you want to sell your brand and have to constantly come up with new material to stay relevant. I also think that he thought that by putting out the craziest program protocol, the world had ever seen, it would make him look better and badder than anyone in the business and also might throw any other potential competitors off track. I think Arnold's genetics were so good and he was such a hyper-responder to anabolic substances, that he basically could've done almost any basic weightlifting program and been extremely successful.
Not saying he didn't do crazy routines at times to try and gain an edge just that it probably didn't matter as much as he made it seem. IMO most routines done consistently can work to some degree, if done safely, in good form and with proper rest and nutrition.
People doing 3-4 sets per exercise are getting results unlike the HITters doing their one all out set.
@@dtm4071 that's not what we're arguing.
@@carvedouttastone I was answering the second part of his comment. I find what you're saying about Arnold lying is a little confusing as I've seen your blog - You've used Serge Nubret's training which you spoke highly of (as do I) which is a lot of volume, was Serge lying too?
At first I thought he was full of shit...but then I saw he is sitting next to a computer, so...obviously he knows what he's talking about.
It’s just not as fulfilling to me as HIT
Sorry high volume works great
Are you taking steriods tho??? Be honest
Hey dude your rib cage is out!… you need to see a good chiropractor. Just sayn
High volume workouts won't work for most people because they won't push themselves to do them consistently. 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
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lee priest said once "the more sets i did, the more i grew, 20-35 sets for arms on arm day was the norm for me"
Lee priest was/is also juiced to the gills
Lee priest still has arms that are 21 inches despite never training them due to a years old neck injury. Probably not the best example to use when dicephering what works for the average person
@@-nath-7837 i know, he already looked better than most before roids tho
You're not natural. So yeah high volume works best for enhanced people. I am enhanced and to be clear if you're natty don't listen to this bozzo.
People did extremely high volumes prior to drugs ever being synthesized.
You clearly didn't listen either, 12 sets per week for a body part is pretty standard amongst those who know what they are doing even as "natural".
@@littlethuggie no. High volume started with arnold era. U need steroids for it to work.
@@shred9475 no. High volume started with wrestlers that would do thousands of squats, pushups, pull-ups, etc every single day. There were no drugs to make it work.
@@G3O.On3 what about using higher intensity, do you still need 12 sets a week?
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Do those sets include warm up or just working sets?
Working sets. Warm ups are just to get your nervous system and muscles ready for the real work.