Through years of research, I found something very strange was going on with Manson when he was released from Terminal Island prison in March 1967. We were told he wanted to get into the music business. A prison buddy of his even gave him some excellent contacts in Los Angeles, where all the big record companies were. A couple of days after Manson was released, there was a huge hippie “Love In” in LA with many local bands and music reps attending. But where does Manson go? Way up north to Berkeley, which wasn’t the heart of the music scene, it the heart of political unrest and FBI surveillance and informant activity. What made me really suspicious was Manson telling a couple of friends privately that he’d been placed in some kind of “Federal Witness Protection Program” when he was released in March 1967. The FBI and DOJ reserved that program for basically two types of individuals… witnesses in a federal trial (which Manson was not) and C.I.s (Confidential Informants). So I tried to get FBI files on Manson specifically for the year 1967 alone via a FOIA request. I was told “records potentially responsive to your request WERE DESTROYED.” That’s the FBI’s exact wording. They also said other records possibly relevant to my request were transferred to the National Archives (NARA) in College Park, Maryland, and they gave the file number. Tom O’Neill tried to get those files (after he was told they had been declassified). But when he got to NARA, these files weren’t in the location they were supposed to be in. I later asked someone I knew at NARA to track them down. They were eventually found, but they hadn’t yet been declassified. In order to get these files declassified, NARA has to review them (ie. redact them) for “sensitive information.” That’s what I was told. That process takes years because NARA is backlogged with requests. While I’m waiting, I’m trying to find out when the other potential “Manson 1967” files were destroyed. I’m curious to know if they were purged during the J. Edgar Hoover years, as many records were. All this could be why FOIA requests concerning Manson’s parole officer, Roger C. Smith have been met with the Glomar response (neither confirm nor deny). DOJ rules required the FBI to notify and coordinate with parole and probation officers of an arrangement between the FBI and parolees being used as Confidential Informants.
Wow I'm surprised no one's replied to this comment. After reading Chaos, the response to your FOIA request makes sense. And it seems to me, the Manson murders meets the objectives of MKULTRA and CHAOS? And what do you think is going on today, regarding Intel? I'm watching the recent congressional hearings on the FBIs abuse of power and them potentially purging conservatives, which is interesting because back in the 60s/70s they were purging leftists. My hypothesis is they support whichever party is convenient to support, and over time the party that's the "enemy" will flip
Great comment! There's definitely something fishy with the whole thing and case. I have Tom's book sitting next to me and need to start it but I just enjoy listening to him speak so much. I wish he had narrated the audiobook!
It's also interesting that he had his weekly parole meetings at the Haight Ashbury free clinic, which was tied into the Mk ultra program and Jolly West. Jolly West was also ironically enough Jack Ruby's psychiatrist after the assassination.
Thanks for the one Rick. Tom's book was eye opening, to say the least. Chaos paired with Jim Douglass' book JFK The Unspeakable should be required reading in schools to give kids a true understanding of recent American history. I think these two books and the events they detail are essential to understanding why we're in the predicament we are today.
'They All Love Jack' by Bruce Robinson. Basically the same deal but seventy years earlier in London. Like Chaos, also the result of fifteen years obsessive writing & research.
I watch _lots_ of interviews and discussions, and one down side is that it gets boring to listen to even worthwhile speakers repeating material. But, just as you say, Tom is a magical low-key spellinder; even when he repeats comments from other interviews, it's still fresh and fascinating. 👍
I'm in the process of reading Chaos and I love it. I love how Tom takes all of the cultural and political into account to tell the tale. That's necessary. Just found your channel today, Rick. Excellent! I've listened to Rogan's interview 3 or 4 times. I've listen to Danny's interview a few times, but this one tops both. Tom is such an excellent story teller. Thank you so much.
That area that he’s talking about in Chatsworth, where Spahn Ranch and Santa Susana labs (fmrly rocketdyne) is, also had another cult that preceded and coexisted with the Manson family just down the road. The fountain of the world cult, headed by a half Jewish half Mormon dude turned yogi named Francis pencovic or as he was later called Krishna Venta. He was assassinated via dynamite by his own followers for sleeping with wives of members. Another crazy fact, is although a yogi he pretty much preached the same Helter skelter race war theory as Manson. I mean down to the details. In fact, some think Manson picked it up from Venta’s followers who were still in the area after Venta died. Personally, I think Venta and Manson got it from somebody else.
Jeez, that is odd! "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" casts a guy called Vito Paulekas as a Manson-esque character overlapping to some degree geographically and temporally.
About 58:00 into the interview, Tom references a book by Emmett Grogan of the Diggers. That book is called "Ringolevio" and is a very good book (in my opinion). While it does cover a lot of vague and specific historical moments and is based on real people, many liberties were taken with details and many people "who were there" remember the story differently. Just a small disclaimer...still a great book and a very worthwhile read.
I’m finishing up the book chaos right now and I’m extremely impacted …. I don’t know which direction my reading will go after this I’m totally enamored . Had to take the day off of work . Simultaneously thank you and curse you Tom O’Neill 😂 thanks for this great piece of work
I definitely believe mama cass saying she went to the house on night of the murders. Some weeks prior to the murders a person who ran a hunting dog business said he would go out late at night to check on his dogs. And he mentioned in police report that he often saw a Lavender colour dune buggy and foreign type motorcycle going up late at night to cielo drive.The night of the murders his dogs stated barking furiously and he went out to check and he saw lavender dune buggy going up cielo drive. Mama cass owned a lavender colour dune buggy. So that was probably her.
Cheers for this information. Quite some time ago, her death began to appear suspicous to me. Then I read 'Chaos.' What was her role with all these heavy intel types? Weird Scenes in the canyon indeed.
This my first time listening to Rick. Uniquely patient interviewer. Its almost like hes just keeping rhythm and letting Tom do his thing. I really like it.
Tom O’Neill is the shit! The fact that he’s a reluctant investigative journalist just gives his book more credence. I’m sorry he’s trapped in the land of Manson because I would love to see what he could do with a subject he actually cared about.
At 1:47:50, the murder at ucla in 1969, Tom is talking about, was the murder of Bunchy Carter. Bunchy Carter was an instrumental leader of the Black Panther Party in Los Angeles. The FBI orchestrated a Shootout between The BPP & The US Organization. Bunchy had the ability to bring all the pre-existing Black Gangs at the time ( The Gladiators , The Businessmen & The Slausons ) together under the Black Panther Movement in Los Angeles . His murder was the start of the demise of the BPP in LA (along with other attacks from the FBI) The Demise Of the Panthers & Unity they brought to the Black People in LA lead to the void of leadership amongst the Black Youth in South Central LA. That void lead to a 15/16 Year Old Teenager named Raymond Lee Washington creating the Crips , towards the end of 1969. There is a Documentary called Bastards of The Party that came out in 2005. There’s a segment in the doc, where the actual FBI agent that was apart of Cointelpro & helped orchestrated this murder , confesses to it.
Also in Dec of 1969 Fred Hampton who was the leader of the BPP (Black Panther Party) in Chicago, was murdered by police that were working with the FBI & an informant that infiltrated the BPP. Fred Hampton was able to bring Black , White & Latino gangs in Chicago together & formed a “Rainbow Coalition “ with all the groups. All of these major events of 1969 that CHAOS & COINTELPRO set out to do were completely successful. By 1970 the BPP was in shambles & Hippies were the new boogiemen after Manson & the multiple cults that formed in the 70s along with multiple Serial Killers .
Victor Wilde, a high ranking Procession and expert leather worker, made Mansons fringed outfit from a deer the family brought him. The clothes he was famously arrested in. They knew each other.
Rick suggesting to Tom O'Neill that he check out the podcast "Disgraceland" is like talking to Anthony Bourdain and saying "Hey have you ever eaten wax lips? One of my favorite meals!"
The host of that show had to apologize for suggesting Ozzy Osbourne was the true identity of some famous, American seriel killer. Ozzy was home in England when the crimes occured. No, if you want to boost your truth-telling bonafids, Disgraceland is not the place to go.
of all the CM interviews the ‘97 parole hearing for me shows the real man. “There’s not enough tears in the ocean” when they ask if he has remorse. O’Neill is a treasure as is Rubin.
Glad this book took time. Most of the players with authority & secret missions are all gone. They seem more evil than the actual people they manipulated. Thank you Tom, for your hard work. (Sharon Tate attended the elementary school down the street in Pasadena Texas. Her father happened to be stationed at Ellington). My husband happens to work there now.
If the suspect in one woman's murder can get away with it, as Tom talks about in the beginning, imagine the lengths of cover up that happened in the Tate-LaBianca cases. Cheers to Tom as he continues researching.
This has me thinking so much about what the truth really is behind the re-legalizing of hallucinogenics like LSD and psilocybin for therapeutic use. I myself have been microducing psilocybin for about 6 months now and have seen great improvement but now I'm getting paranoid LOL
Psilocybin while it is a disassociating drug does not cause visionary hallucinations unless in ridiculously high doses. It resets the brain wiring, frontal cortex allowing different rates for the writing that many get in cyclical thinking creating a o of circular thinking it was ur brain t recircuit itself lifting obsessive thinking, freeing people from a negative circuit cycling in a persons mind rendering the person unable to see their life from a objective view. It frees the brain in being able to view their life from a different persopective. Cyclical obsessive thinking can cause depression. Or does depression cause the cyclical obsessive thinking. Chicken or the egg. Psilocybin is weak when compared to LSD and under a knowledgable psychiatrist this drug can help. Micro dosing psilocybin is a safe way to lift cyclical obsessive thinking thus lifting depression if the depression is caused by obsessive thinking. I’d prefer that drs oversee microdosng because when dealing with our brain chemistry is no easy thing for a novice.
Wow! As I was listening, I thought "this reminds me of Tarantino's novelization of his recent masterpiece." I'd really like to see QT focus his last project solely on the Manson family through the MK Ultra CIA lens pulling more heavily on this source material. The narrative he developed about the trance like state Manson induced in his followers was phenomenally well written.
Tom's talking about Jill Ann Weatherwax in the beginning of this podcast. _omg_ Read the article Tom wrote about her murder; especially what those creeps did at Jill's funeral. Tom solved another one.
The Process lost the lawsuit Ed Sanders in England. They love talking about how they won, but they only won in the USA. The missing chapter of The Family is available for free online. Great book.
The Process Church was not 'communal free secks." They were mainly celibate and even chemical free except when the 2 main leaders, Bob and Maryann, organized orgeeze which they didn't participate in but did film. They placed straight men and women with other straights and made these surprise events as humiliating as possible. One ex member wrote a book and said he still has horrible flashbacks. He expired shortly (a few years) after his book came out. Today they are known as Best Friends and famous for their obsession with dangerous fight breed dogs. Human fatality by dog has risen 700 percent since 2004, and esp escalated after 2009, when they began lobbying to secure equal rights, their words, for pit bulls. They transport them in an out of Canada, Mexico, and through the USA. Same group in charge as TPC. The current CEO used to wok in DC, and she is the 30 yr younger wife of the last CEO, an original founder and inner circle Processean. If anyone neeeds some investigating, it's this crew.
I recommend the book Xtul by Sabrina Verney and Love Sex Fear Death by Tim Wiley. Also Apocalypse Culture by Feral House has a good chapter on a Process witch who boiled her boyfriend because he teased her cat. Human life is inconsequential to TPC.
At 48:45 Tom sated gotlieb and jolly their project (mk ultra) Chernobyl Associates! At that same time the Russians had their version of HARP up and running. Supposedly it was a sophisticated radar that could detect beyond the horizon middle launches. Harp was supposedly a weather experiment. Both facilities are rumored to be part of massive mind and mood control radio (microwave) frequency weapons systems! Both were near the North Pole and in the closest proximity to each other as possible, geographically while still in their home territories. The Chernobyl one looks ominous, big time! And it is conected to a seven story building that is full of the biggest most powerful computers in Russia. Equivalent to our eniak (sp?) its radio active now but the UA-cam channel “Chernobyl Family has documentaries about the antique computer hardware, which is what their into. They sell electronic scimatics lithographs that are just gorgeous. I think calling MKUltra Chernobyl Associate’s is pretty on the nose and essentially proves they were both mind control hubs. Lols but seriously, something is up with that. Great conversation guys. Top notch stuff from the both of you, as has been the case, consistently =] 🌊🌊🏄♀️🏄♂️
if u listen to Beatles song, Dig It (from 1970 album, Let It Be) Lennon/McCartney lyrics mention, fbi, cia, B.B.King & then, Doris Day, wtf? (Terry Melchers mom) then add that Manson thought Beatles lyrics were about the coming race war, then, add that Sharon Tates husband, Roman Polanski, directed movie, Rosemary's Baby, partially filmed at the same Dakota apartment building in N.Y. city where Lennon lived & was shot dead when returning home in 1980. not saying what these things mean or don't mean, but trippy synchronicities in the matrix for sure, eh..🤷🏼
wonder what O'Neill thinks about Jon Atack, saying he knew Jolly West personally, said he was a swell guy & that O'Neill is full of isht, I think I'd put my money on O'Neill being on target, but don't know why Atack would take that stance?
Dr Smith wasn't fired for embezzling. He quit and the guy in charge of finance for the clinic was pinched for embezzling over 700K. The clinic shut down because another non profit had taken over that was more fiscally minded and they had other offices in places that weren't so expensive. Alan Rose got roger smith to take mansons son because he didn't want the boy to get swallowed by the system. Roger and his wife ran a speed detox out of their house so manson and them coming there was no big deal. Lots of tweaks and embellishments. Also the rat experiment was with amphetamines not LSD. The killers were high on speed which was what killed the Hippy movement in the haight. And Mike Brunner is not roger smiths. He did 23 and me and linked to mansons family in west Virginia. And then he talks about the brother mike found.
Paul, have you read the book, "Love Needs Care"? It was written by Dr. David Smith and John Luce. It goes into length about the drug research being done up in Mendocino, similar in nature to the research being done at the HAFMC at the same time (both NIHM funded). It was probably a giant coincidence that Charlie sent his witches 500+ miles north to Mendocino to "recruit" new members. Alan Rose must have been very sympathetic to the witches, he got them the best legal representation available. Susan's attorney was a former CA State Senator...Hey Rick, Krush Groove is a classic!
You're dope as s it! One day you said you were married. Then, I held off. Lemme know, mo Hollywood stuff...a very heightened match. Al the best to you and yours...the program is Golden. Peace.
Tom is right - the interference of West with this witness renders irrelevant the efforts of Rich Lowry, Max Holland, Gerald Posner, or dunderhead Jeff Morley - who admits to LHO impersonation, but can't imagine any at the 6th floor window - he doesn't even wonder why a guilty-minded Plaza employee would not use the many vantage points Warren critics quickly found, with no daily experience there. Unlike LHO, maybe Souetre, or JFK hater fired from the SS Hank Henderson, if not Jim Braden, or the men seen with rifles on the Knoll 20 November 63 by DPD, for that matter, the men seen by Julia Ann Mercer or Lee Bowers. Not enough for Morley what H Salisbury found, for the Times, by 1966 - only to get quashed by management; not enough, the LHO paraffin test result - not enough, that Dallas was the 3rd attempt on JFK THAT VERY MONTH - not enough that Lemnitzer had countenanced such terrorism inside the USA & by design to embarrass Communists.
@@MimiYouyu Something about the commercials voice, Rick's basso non-emotional clinical voice, the Manson info combined into a creepy languid taffy goo.
M. Shreck has a lot of research under his belt ,I believe the Tate killing was a drug burn turned murder due to Watson being out of his mind on speed. I believe the LaBianca killing was a hired hit that Manson was hired although his minions he sent there after tying the Labiancas up then left for Watson , krenwinkle, Leslie were sent in. Manson left leaving the three to hitch hike back. Watson owed Manson for the lotsa poops ordeal to free the girl lotsa poops was holding in lieu of money and or drugs to be delivered by Manson but Watson involved Manson to shot lotsa poops to free the girl Manson believed he killed lotsa poops but he didn’t die and Manson felt due to lotsa poops association with straight satans would come after Manson and his gang . That’s why Manson accepted the Tate and LaBianca shake down to get cash to pay off the satans for the drugs they were supposed to get from Hinman and Poppa shooting. The extent of the drug angle this creation of helter skelter motive to hide drug angle reached high levels of drug enforcement, movie industry, celebrities that bought drugs from Frykowsi and Sebring . If drugs had been introduced at mansons trial then so much would’ve been revealed Manson and his gang I believe didn’t involve brain washing, they were criminals and criminal code is you don’t squeal off fellow criminals ,. That’s why Manson didn’t put on a defense.
Respectfully, Lawrence to my knowledge had zero connection to MKULTRA. If he did indeed have ties to US intelligence, I’d like to see corroborating evidence of that. I live 15 min from his old house and am painfully aware of the prurient fantasies and damaging falsehoods he peddled for his own fame and fortune. I recommend the documentary Satan Wants You which includes interviews with his daughter, associates and family.
The Manson Case is the only reason anyone not conected to the 1960's California music scene has every heard of Terry Melcher -- now a quarter way into the 21st century, who the hell wants to read about his adventures in producing long-forgotten bands like Paul Revere & the Raiders 60 years ago?
We need a second book Tom!!!
With details on the LaBianca murders
Through years of research, I found something very strange was going on with Manson when he was released from Terminal Island prison in March 1967. We were told he wanted to get into the music business. A prison buddy of his even gave him some excellent contacts in Los Angeles, where all the big record companies were. A couple of days after Manson was released, there was a huge hippie “Love In” in LA with many local bands and music reps attending. But where does Manson go? Way up north to Berkeley, which wasn’t the heart of the music scene, it the heart of political unrest and FBI surveillance and informant activity.
What made me really suspicious was Manson telling a couple of friends privately that he’d been placed in some kind of “Federal Witness Protection Program” when he was released in March 1967. The FBI and DOJ reserved that program for basically two types of individuals… witnesses in a federal trial (which Manson was not) and C.I.s (Confidential Informants).
So I tried to get FBI files on Manson specifically for the year 1967 alone via a FOIA request. I was told “records potentially responsive to your request WERE DESTROYED.” That’s the FBI’s exact wording. They also said other records possibly relevant to my request were transferred to the National Archives (NARA) in College Park, Maryland, and they gave the file number. Tom O’Neill tried to get those files (after he was told they had been declassified). But when he got to NARA, these files weren’t in the location they were supposed to be in. I later asked someone I knew at NARA to track them down. They were eventually found, but they hadn’t yet been declassified. In order to get these files declassified, NARA has to review them (ie. redact them) for “sensitive information.” That’s what I was told. That process takes years because NARA is backlogged with requests. While I’m waiting, I’m trying to find out when the other potential “Manson 1967” files were destroyed. I’m curious to know if they were purged during the J. Edgar Hoover years, as many records were. All this could be why FOIA requests concerning Manson’s parole officer, Roger C. Smith have been met with the Glomar response (neither confirm nor deny). DOJ rules required the FBI to notify and coordinate with parole and probation officers of an arrangement between the FBI and parolees being used as Confidential Informants.
Wow I'm surprised no one's replied to this comment.
After reading Chaos, the response to your FOIA request makes sense.
And it seems to me, the Manson murders meets the objectives of MKULTRA and CHAOS?
And what do you think is going on today, regarding Intel?
I'm watching the recent congressional hearings on the FBIs abuse of power and them potentially purging conservatives, which is interesting because back in the 60s/70s they were purging leftists.
My hypothesis is they support whichever party is convenient to support, and over time the party that's the "enemy" will flip
Great comment! There's definitely something fishy with the whole thing and case. I have Tom's book sitting next to me and need to start it but I just enjoy listening to him speak so much. I wish he had narrated the audiobook!
It's also interesting that he had his weekly parole meetings at the Haight Ashbury free clinic, which was tied into the Mk ultra program and Jolly West. Jolly West was also ironically enough Jack Ruby's psychiatrist after the assassination.
The interviewer is very skillful. O´Neill gives more info and new details he´s nevr done in other interviews. Top notch
Thank you so much for using your position to be a voice for people like Tom! I in awe of the way these episodes / guests are curated. Heaven sent
OMG! Thanks a lot to Mr. Rick Rubin for inviting such an amazing guest! Tom O'Neill is a beautiful storyteller
If you havent read Tom’s book “Chaos” , read it, you wont regret it, its really fantastic. Thx Tom & Rick!!!!
Thanks for the one Rick. Tom's book was eye opening, to say the least. Chaos paired with Jim Douglass' book JFK The Unspeakable should be required reading in schools to give kids a true understanding of recent American history. I think these two books and the events they detail are essential to understanding why we're in the predicament we are today.
100% agree. I would also add: Revolution's End: The Patty Hearst Kidnapping, Mind Control, and the Secret History of Donald DeFreeze and the SLA
@@jcharleshansen Thanks for the recommendation, hadn't heard of it!
Yes! And you can also “The Devils Chessboard” to that requirement of reading!
A better and more accurate book on JFK is Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper.
Any book that makes you question the motivations of your government would never be permitted,
Best book I’ve ever read. Really hope Tom and Dan write a second book. Great interview Rick.
'They All Love Jack' by Bruce Robinson. Basically the same deal but seventy years earlier in London. Like Chaos, also the result of fifteen years obsessive writing & research.
Great interview. Tom's a fantastic story teller, not just a writer. 'Chaos' involves so many people, I found all his interviews most helpful.
I watch _lots_ of interviews and discussions, and one down side is that it gets boring to listen to even worthwhile speakers repeating material. But, just as you say, Tom is a magical low-key spellinder; even when he repeats comments from other interviews, it's still fresh and fascinating. 👍
@@LittleBrother55 Can't wait for the documentary film... and the second book!
probably the most informative interview with Tom O'Neil. fantastic stuff.
absolutely hilarious infomercials with 50's flare!
Tom, part 2 please. You'd be perfect for a CIA book too.
I'm in the process of reading Chaos and I love it. I love how Tom takes all of the cultural and political into account to tell the tale. That's necessary. Just found your channel today, Rick. Excellent! I've listened to Rogan's interview 3 or 4 times. I've listen to Danny's interview a few times, but this one tops both. Tom is such an excellent story teller. Thank you so much.
I agree. This is the best one. Rick asks some great questions and Tom discusses things he hasn't before.
I'm amazed there aren't more views, likes and comments for this
Algorithm is throttling it, as it does with any inconvenient truth.
Damn. I didn't think I needed any more stories about the CIA and Manson or JFK, and then comes this. Unreal.
This is the one book to read. It's seminal.
Tom still has such incredible command and recall of all this information, without referring to notes.
So so so good! Thank you both ❤
That area that he’s talking about in Chatsworth, where Spahn Ranch and Santa Susana labs (fmrly rocketdyne) is, also had another cult that preceded and coexisted with the Manson family just down the road. The fountain of the world cult, headed by a half Jewish half Mormon dude turned yogi named Francis pencovic or as he was later called Krishna Venta. He was assassinated via dynamite by his own followers for sleeping with wives of members. Another crazy fact, is although a yogi he pretty much preached the same Helter skelter race war theory as Manson. I mean down to the details. In fact, some think Manson picked it up from Venta’s followers who were still in the area after Venta died. Personally, I think Venta and Manson got it from somebody else.
Maybe they picked it up from the Blackburn Cult.
Jeez, that is odd!
"Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" casts a guy called Vito Paulekas as a Manson-esque character overlapping to some degree geographically and temporally.
Been on a tear of to lately. Good additional interview to the book and rogan
About 58:00 into the interview, Tom references a book by Emmett Grogan of the Diggers. That book is called "Ringolevio" and is a very good book (in my opinion). While it does cover a lot of vague and specific historical moments and is based on real people, many liberties were taken with details and many people "who were there" remember the story differently. Just a small disclaimer...still a great book and a very worthwhile read.
I’m finishing up the book chaos right now and I’m extremely impacted …. I don’t know which direction my reading will go after this I’m totally enamored . Had to take the day off of work . Simultaneously thank you and curse you Tom O’Neill 😂 thanks for this great piece of work
I definitely believe mama cass saying she went to the house on night of the murders. Some weeks prior to the murders a person who ran a hunting dog business said he would go out late at night to check on his dogs. And he mentioned in police report that he often saw a Lavender colour dune buggy and foreign type motorcycle going up late at night to cielo drive.The night of the murders his dogs stated barking furiously and he went out to check and he saw lavender dune buggy going up cielo drive. Mama cass owned a lavender colour dune buggy. So that was probably her.
Cheers for this information. Quite some time ago, her death began to appear suspicous to me. Then I read 'Chaos.' What was her role with all these heavy intel types? Weird Scenes in the canyon indeed.
@@pamelaearl7191 definitely
This my first time listening to Rick. Uniquely patient interviewer. Its almost like hes just keeping rhythm and letting Tom do his thing. I really like it.
That is a great point.
He also asks a question that steers the conversation into interesting areas. Skillful interviewer
Tom O’Neill is the shit! The fact that he’s a reluctant investigative journalist just gives his book more credence. I’m sorry he’s trapped in the land of Manson because I would love to see what he could do with a subject he actually cared about.
I came to Tom through Tim Dillon and War Mode podcasts. He is fascinating everytime. 👏 could listen to him for hours
War Mode hell yeah
We’re just asking questions, yes or yes?
Fantastic interview!
Love the podcast Rick!
At 1:47:50, the murder at ucla in 1969, Tom is talking about, was the murder of Bunchy Carter. Bunchy Carter was an instrumental leader of the Black Panther Party in Los Angeles.
The FBI orchestrated a Shootout between The BPP & The US Organization.
Bunchy had the ability to bring all the pre-existing Black Gangs at the time ( The Gladiators , The Businessmen & The Slausons ) together under the Black Panther Movement in Los Angeles .
His murder was the start of the demise of the BPP in LA (along with other attacks from the FBI)
The Demise Of the Panthers & Unity they brought to the Black People in LA lead to the void of leadership amongst the Black Youth in South Central LA. That void lead to a 15/16 Year Old Teenager named Raymond Lee Washington creating the Crips , towards the end of 1969.
There is a Documentary called Bastards of The Party that came out in 2005. There’s a segment in the doc, where the actual FBI agent that was apart of Cointelpro & helped orchestrated this murder , confesses to it.
Also in Dec of 1969 Fred Hampton who was the leader of the BPP (Black Panther Party) in Chicago, was murdered by police that were working with the FBI & an informant that infiltrated the BPP.
Fred Hampton was able to bring Black , White & Latino gangs in Chicago together & formed a “Rainbow Coalition “ with all the groups.
All of these major events of 1969 that CHAOS & COINTELPRO set out to do were completely successful. By 1970 the BPP was in shambles & Hippies were the new boogiemen after Manson & the multiple cults that formed in the 70s along with multiple Serial Killers .
Victor Wilde, a high ranking Procession and expert leather worker, made Mansons fringed outfit from a deer the family brought him. The clothes he was famously arrested in. They knew each other.
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Great!! Thanks
Good stuff....correction, the Process is not in upstate NY now.... they're now the Best Friends Animal Shelter based in Utah.
Excellent opening music. "Love is Blue". I don't get to hear it very often.
Great interview Rick Rubin!!
Can't wait for Tom's next book!
Wonder if all the truth will be revealed one day...
Terrific Interview
Rick suggesting to Tom O'Neill that he check out the podcast "Disgraceland" is like talking to Anthony Bourdain and saying "Hey have you ever eaten wax lips? One of my favorite meals!"
Forgot about wax lips. You've made me raise a smile. Cheers!
The host of that show had to apologize for suggesting Ozzy Osbourne was the true identity of some famous, American seriel killer. Ozzy was home in England when the crimes occured. No, if you want to boost your truth-telling bonafids, Disgraceland is not the place to go.
Candace Owens promotes this book and adding with other interviews like Judge Brown. A must watch
of all the CM interviews the ‘97 parole hearing for me shows the real man.
“There’s not enough tears in the ocean” when they ask if he has remorse.
O’Neill is a treasure as is Rubin.
Looking forward to the next book
Glad this book took time. Most of the players with authority & secret missions are all gone. They seem more evil than the actual people they manipulated. Thank you Tom, for your hard work. (Sharon Tate attended the elementary school down the street in Pasadena Texas. Her father happened to be stationed at Ellington). My husband happens to work there now.
If the suspect in one woman's murder can get away with it, as Tom talks about in the beginning, imagine the lengths of cover up that happened in the Tate-LaBianca cases. Cheers to Tom as he continues researching.
Whats the song in the macadamia nut commercial???
I was wondering if they were created specicially for this channel or if they are originals. They sound authentic.
Hey Rick my friend! Could you release the subtitles for all the videos on your UA-cam channel "Tetragramaton"?
This has me thinking so much about what the truth really is behind the re-legalizing of hallucinogenics like LSD and psilocybin for therapeutic use. I myself have been microducing psilocybin for about 6 months now and have seen great improvement but now I'm getting paranoid LOL
Psilocybin while it is a disassociating drug does not cause visionary hallucinations unless in ridiculously high doses. It resets the brain wiring, frontal cortex allowing different rates for the writing that many get in cyclical thinking creating a o of circular thinking it was ur brain t recircuit itself lifting obsessive thinking, freeing people from a negative circuit cycling in a persons mind rendering the person unable to see their life from a objective view. It frees the brain in being able to view their life from a different persopective. Cyclical obsessive thinking can cause depression. Or does depression cause the cyclical obsessive thinking. Chicken or the egg. Psilocybin is weak when compared to LSD and under a knowledgable psychiatrist this drug can help. Micro dosing psilocybin is a safe way to lift cyclical obsessive thinking thus lifting depression if the depression is caused by obsessive thinking. I’d prefer that drs oversee microdosng because when dealing with our brain chemistry is no easy thing for a novice.
Uh, stop.
Wow! As I was listening, I thought "this reminds me of Tarantino's novelization of his recent masterpiece." I'd really like to see QT focus his last project solely on the Manson family through the MK Ultra CIA lens pulling more heavily on this source material. The narrative he developed about the trance like state Manson induced in his followers was phenomenally well written.
Will closed captioning be available ?
Jack Ruby rented a room from John Norman of Project Delta notoriety.
Brings existencial to the slience..
Good stuff:)
Tom's talking about Jill Ann Weatherwax in the beginning of this podcast. _omg_ Read the article Tom wrote about her murder; especially what those creeps did at Jill's funeral.
Tom solved another one.
The Process lost the lawsuit Ed Sanders in England. They love talking about how they won, but they only won in the USA. The missing chapter of The Family is available for free online.
Great book.
Anyone recall the name of the podcast Rubin referred?
Too many adds 😢
Rick can you please consider having Nick Bryant on?
Nick would take an extra shower and trim his hair.
Bazed Lit Analyzer did a great 3 hour review of the book.
The Process Church was not 'communal free secks." They were mainly celibate and even chemical free except when the 2 main leaders, Bob and Maryann, organized orgeeze which they didn't participate in but did film. They placed straight men and women with other straights and made these surprise events as humiliating as possible. One ex member wrote a book and said he still has horrible flashbacks. He expired shortly (a few years) after his book came out.
Today they are known as Best Friends and famous for their obsession with dangerous fight breed dogs. Human fatality by dog has risen 700 percent since 2004, and esp escalated after 2009, when they began lobbying to secure equal rights, their words, for pit bulls. They transport them in an out of Canada, Mexico, and through the USA. Same group in charge as TPC. The current CEO used to wok in DC, and she is the 30 yr younger wife of the last CEO, an original founder and inner circle Processean. If anyone neeeds some investigating, it's this crew.
I recommend the book Xtul by Sabrina Verney and Love Sex Fear Death by Tim Wiley. Also Apocalypse Culture by Feral House has a good chapter on a Process witch who boiled her boyfriend because he teased her cat. Human life is inconsequential to TPC.
this story is increíble but it's totally insane that any of this stuff happened. unreal
It did and in Canada, Australia and England.... ALL MK Ultra
I love his book!
I Love Tom O'Neal!
You should get Dana Gould since you both have old radio/commercial interludes on your podcasts
At 48:45 Tom sated gotlieb and jolly their project (mk ultra) Chernobyl Associates! At that same time the Russians had their version of HARP up and running. Supposedly it was a sophisticated radar that could detect beyond the horizon middle launches. Harp was supposedly a weather experiment. Both facilities are rumored to be part of massive mind and mood control radio (microwave) frequency weapons systems! Both were near the North Pole and in the closest proximity to each other as possible, geographically while still in their home territories. The Chernobyl one looks ominous, big time! And it is conected to a seven story building that is full of the biggest most powerful computers in Russia. Equivalent to our eniak (sp?) its radio active now but the UA-cam channel “Chernobyl Family has documentaries about the antique computer hardware, which is what their into. They sell electronic scimatics lithographs that are just gorgeous. I think calling MKUltra Chernobyl Associate’s is pretty on the nose and essentially proves they were both mind control hubs. Lols but seriously, something is up with that. Great conversation guys. Top notch stuff from the both of you, as has been the case, consistently =] 🌊🌊🏄♀️🏄♂️
I was listening to this episode while busy with something, i bet am going to replay it and listen to it intensively
_How imperative_
Is the interviewer Rick Rubbin ?Sure sounds like him
if u listen to Beatles song, Dig It (from 1970 album, Let It Be)
Lennon/McCartney
lyrics mention, fbi, cia, B.B.King & then, Doris Day, wtf? (Terry Melchers mom)
then add that Manson thought Beatles lyrics were about the coming race war, then, add that Sharon Tates husband, Roman Polanski, directed movie, Rosemary's Baby, partially filmed at the same Dakota apartment building in N.Y. city where Lennon lived & was shot dead when returning home in 1980.
not saying what these things mean or don't mean, but trippy synchronicities in the matrix for sure, eh..🤷🏼
You should try Jolly West’s kids again Tom!
Jolly West’s son is dead, like Tom mentions in the interview.
wonder what O'Neill thinks about Jon Atack, saying he knew Jolly West personally, said he was a swell guy & that O'Neill is full of isht, I think I'd put my money on O'Neill being on target, but don't know why Atack would take that stance?
Dr Smith wasn't fired for embezzling. He quit and the guy in charge of finance for the clinic was pinched for embezzling over 700K. The clinic shut down because another non profit had taken over that was more fiscally minded and they had other offices in places that weren't so expensive. Alan Rose got roger smith to take mansons son because he didn't want the boy to get swallowed by the system. Roger and his wife ran a speed detox out of their house so manson and them coming there was no big deal. Lots of tweaks and embellishments. Also the rat experiment was with amphetamines not LSD. The killers were high on speed which was what killed the Hippy movement in the haight. And Mike Brunner is not roger smiths. He did 23 and me and linked to mansons family in west Virginia. And then he talks about the brother mike found.
Paul, have you read the book, "Love Needs Care"? It was written by Dr. David Smith and John Luce. It goes into length about the drug research being done up in Mendocino, similar in nature to the research being done at the HAFMC at the same time (both NIHM funded). It was probably a giant coincidence that Charlie sent his witches 500+ miles north to Mendocino to "recruit" new members. Alan Rose must have been very sympathetic to the witches, he got them the best legal representation available. Susan's attorney was a former CA State Senator...Hey Rick, Krush Groove is a classic!
Mr. Rubin please give equal time to Nikolas Schrek. Read "The Manson File, Myth & Reality Of An Outlaw Shaman"
You're dope as s it! One day you said you were married. Then, I held off. Lemme know, mo Hollywood stuff...a very heightened match. Al the best to you and yours...the program is Golden. Peace.
Tom is right - the interference of West with this witness renders irrelevant the efforts of Rich Lowry, Max Holland, Gerald Posner, or dunderhead Jeff Morley - who admits to LHO impersonation, but can't imagine any at the 6th floor window - he doesn't even wonder why a guilty-minded Plaza employee would not use the many vantage points Warren critics quickly found, with no daily experience there. Unlike LHO, maybe Souetre, or JFK hater fired from the SS Hank Henderson, if not Jim Braden, or the men seen with rifles on the Knoll 20 November 63 by DPD, for that matter, the men seen by Julia Ann Mercer or Lee Bowers.
Not enough for Morley what H Salisbury found, for the Times, by 1966 - only to get quashed by management; not enough, the LHO paraffin test result - not enough, that Dallas was the 3rd attempt on JFK THAT VERY MONTH - not enough that Lemnitzer had countenanced such terrorism inside the USA & by design to embarrass Communists.
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What's with the creepy ads format ?
Not at all, it is clever and called nostalgia. Go look up adds from the 40's 50's and 60's then you might understand better.
@@MimiYouyu Something about the commercials voice, Rick's basso non-emotional clinical voice, the Manson info combined into a creepy languid taffy goo.
I was just thinking the same thing. Am I being brainwashed?
@@MimiYouyu This is what they were like and with smooth, lovely music and vocals.
Nick-Oh-Tean
Welcome to the Camarillo Hospital Club.
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Rick - please have author Nickolas Schreck on your podcast to more fully paint this picture. Thanks for doing what you do.
Nik Shreck is a Nazi Occultist. That's a fact. And it only takes inch deep research to find this out with authority. No thanks.
M. Shreck has a lot of research under his belt ,I believe the Tate killing was a drug burn turned murder due to Watson being out of his mind on speed. I believe the LaBianca killing was a hired hit that Manson was hired although his minions he sent there after tying the Labiancas up then left for Watson , krenwinkle, Leslie were sent in. Manson left leaving the three to hitch hike back. Watson owed Manson for the lotsa poops ordeal to free the girl lotsa poops was holding in lieu of money and or drugs to be delivered by Manson but Watson involved Manson to shot lotsa poops to free the girl Manson believed he killed lotsa poops but he didn’t die and Manson felt due to lotsa poops association with straight satans would come after Manson and his gang . That’s why Manson accepted the Tate and LaBianca shake down to get cash to pay off the satans for the drugs they were supposed to get from Hinman and Poppa shooting. The extent of the drug angle this creation of helter skelter motive to hide drug angle reached high levels of drug enforcement, movie industry, celebrities that bought drugs from Frykowsi and Sebring . If drugs had been introduced at mansons trial then so much would’ve been revealed Manson and his gang I believe didn’t involve brain washing, they were criminals and criminal code is you don’t squeal off fellow criminals ,. That’s why Manson didn’t put on a defense.
Why not just talk about what we want
"The Smiths" continue on. Smith, as in Michelle Smith as in, the book "Michelle Remembers" by her psychiatrist, an MK-ULTRA doctor, Lawrence Pazder.
Respectfully, Lawrence to my knowledge had zero connection to MKULTRA. If he did indeed have ties to US intelligence, I’d like to see corroborating evidence of that. I live 15 min from his old house and am painfully aware of the prurient fantasies and damaging falsehoods he peddled for his own fame and fortune. I recommend the documentary Satan Wants You which includes interviews with his daughter, associates and family.
I bet kicks himself for not wtiting terry melchers memoir
The Manson Case is the only reason anyone not conected to the 1960's California music scene has every heard of Terry Melcher -- now a quarter way into the 21st century, who the hell wants to read about his adventures in producing long-forgotten bands like Paul Revere & the Raiders 60 years ago?