Battle of Flodden: Disaster on the Scotland England border
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- The Battle of Flodden on the Scotland England border was the worst disaster in Scottish military history. As he continues his travels on the Scottish English border, Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey travels to the battlefield to tell the tale
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Scotland History Tours is here for people who want to learn about Scottish history and get ideas for Scottish history tours. I try to make videos which tell you tales from Scotland's past and give you information about key dates in Scottish history and historical places to visit in Scotland. Not all videos are tales from Scotland's history, some of them are about men from Scotland's past or women from Scotland's past. Basically the people who made Scotland. From April 2020 onward I've tried to give ideas for historic days out in Scotland. Essentially these are days out in Scotland for adults who are interested in historical places to visit in Scotland.
As a Scottish history tour guide people ask: Help me plan a Scottish holiday, or help me plan a Scottish vacation if your from the US. So I've tried to give a bit of history, but some places of interest in Scotland as well.
Another video on the Scottish English Border at ua-cam.com/video/X4LSjLV7qVk/v-deo.html
So love your sense of humour Bruce you do make me smile.
Very informative too great.🦋
Could you enlighten me as to what you say at the end before you go. Sounds like you saying something like cheerio Rasta .😂😂😂
@@garwood.5993 His response to this question is to visit his merch store for the answer. Hint it's a sentence Scot's Gaelic.
Hi Bruce,I'm a Welsh guy of Cumbrian descent, I love your channel so much I signed up for your patreon, learning British history can be a complicated thing, but learning Scottish history fills in a lot of blanks and I feel is the best place to start. Thanks Bruce and family.
I like your story telling, you should be on mainstream TV. This is my favourite vid I think.
Having grew up in Coldstream for most of my younger years, I was given the privilege of becoming the Coldstreamer in 2002. This was a great honour and one of the many tasks was to lead a mounted cavalcade from the town to the memorial cross on Branxton hill to pay homage to the dead of both nations. One comment that continues to return from the cross is just how eerily silent it is there. We then cut a sod of earth from the hillside, then wrap it up in a saltire to be carried back over the border to the sight of the monastery where a small ceremony is held and " flowers of the Forrest" is sang. Great video !
"No, are you mental! Creep up from behind and knock them on the heid! Don't tell them you're coming." Kind of sums it all up. Love it. Thanks Bruce, for another wonderful if sad story.
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Reminds me of a 'saying' my old man used to be fond of... "If at first ye dinnae succeed..., pull yer foreskin o'er yer heid" lol. Personally i regret never having the chance to come back to the homeland of my forefathers... So much family history to be 'rediscovered'. I grew up here in Australia on stories from my nanna that facinated me but i now believe to be her way of 'inspiring a love of history' through fantasy... So much convoluted information it's impossible to find the truth without going to the source. In one account an ancestor was an 'aide de camp' to RTB in the infamous cave with the spider spinning it's web (origin of the above correct saying ie; try, try again). Another is family tree inscribed in the stones of Edinburgh Castle. Ties to Scot nobility but having to change name to Drysdale to avoid discovery and persecution. Even as far out as curses by a witch to explain the 'irony' of there only ever being one male child born to bear the line past a certain point (of which i am the last and childless)... Facinating stuff for a kid but leaves me confused as hell to the truth now i'm an adult...
I wish this guy had been my history teacher in high school
He was actually a Physics teacher 😂
Very good! 🇬🇧🏴👍🏻
Another superb exposition, this time of one of the greatest military tragedies in Scottish history. The butchers bill was just phenomenal. I find the late mediaeval attitude to chivalry intriguing - they were just as fond of looting, rape, murder and theft as any of their descendants, and successors, but going out of your way to lose would be totally incomprehensible to a Norman king! A poignant mention at the end, amity is better than emnity, ploughshares are better than swords, or perhaps tractors beat tanks. Either way, your humanism and decency shine through in these horrid times. Thank you!
Chivalry only applied to the wealthy Nobility , peasants were worthless pieces of shit to these scumbags.
Great video Bruce, as someone with English and Scottish family it’s nice to hear someone just talk about history with a passion rather than it just being a pissing contest. Never heard of the James IV guard will have to read up on it! Keep up the great work, don’t let negative comments get you down!
Love the ending of your video. "...although we may fight against each other on the field, we are still friends in the bar. I'd rather that, than this." Very powerful thought
"We're still friends in the bar." What a Gentleman.
Fantastic video, as is all of your work. Whilst there is a always fascination in these glorified battles, I think current events remind us of the futility of war and the evils of the rich spending the blood of the poor to take what isn’t theirs. I think you got that point across really well with the rugby analogy.
It wasn't a disaster, it was a triumph.
That's interesting about the early modern period begining in the 1500's compared to the early 1600s in Ireland. I always find the manoeuvring on different types of ground and unit formations a fascinating insight into how battles were won and lost.
Oh and I'm impressed with the audio quality as you switch from in person to VO on the cutaway shots, many YTers have a dips in audio levels when doing this.
I Was told about this battle many years ago. A mate of mine tried to camp on the battlefield over night... but could not. He said the battlefield had a cold eerie feel to it... and he left. Sadly my mate is no longer with us and I am yet to visit the battlefield... this video has once again raised my interest... its only a matter of time till I get there. Thank you for another great video.. I'm hooked (and I am an English man lol)
Sorry to hear of your loss, your mate was not wrong, I grew up living in and around Branxton and the land does hold an eerie feeling to it, I hope you get out to the place someday, it is beautiful countryside with some excellent camping spots.
Fantastic video - i am going to Northumberland on holiday next week and hoping to visit Flodden - Your poignant and video has really helped me get into the mood . Thank you.
Another excellent video that teaches me more about Scottish history. I was unaware of this engagement brought on by a conflict between England and France.
That was the most common cause of England's wars with Scotland. As Shakespeare said in Henry V:
“If that you will France win,
Then with Scotland first begin.”
For once the eagle England being in prey,
To her unguarded nest the weasel Scot
Comes sneaking and so sucks her princely eggs,
Playing the mouse in absence of the cat,
To ’tame and havoc more than she can eat.
Don't forget these videos are "tainted by apparent bias" 😜
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@@Pennyburn1688 Especially by all the deluded yanks who had grreat great granpapies at every major border battle since records of individuals began.
No doubt from contributors to the house of clans or similar.
Anyway where is an aussie super hero when needed.
I was doing some research last night (early this am) and found on the Ancestor I was investigating his Cause of Death is simply "Killed at The Battle of Flodden" what a coincidence. So this video was particularly timely for me.
In researching my own genealogy I discovered 7 of my family were also listed "killed at the Battle of Flodden". Humbling.
I lost descendants there also. Clan Leslie 🏴
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What clan is humbling sound more like an English name
I just found out that my daughters paternal ancestors were in the battle of flodden - her ancestor lost a forearm in the battle but lived 👀
One of my ancestors was killed at Waterloo . Platform 7 I think..?
Another major factor was that king Henry the 8th along with the biggest English army ever assembled (40,000) was in France trying to engage a elusive French host army …this was very much a 2nd English 11 who face King James at Flodden ….some good experienced units were in it such as the English navy contingent but neither the less Henry had the best in France ….
Brilliant as ever Bruce 🏴
Aaah thanks
Such a great presenting.
Ah thanks
Never thought id be into history youtube, but here we are, the way you tell a story is beautiful, its addictive, please keep it up 😁
Your rugby analogy is so perfect. I'm an Englishman and a Bath man, yet I spent time living in Gloucestershire. I played many gigs in Gloucester whilst wearing my Bath Rugby shirts and there would often be comments like ‘you're brave’, yet the same people would applaud the show and drink with me after. I've played in Glasgow and Edinburgh in an England shirt too, and again there's been a bit of joking about it and then good camaraderie right after.
I also need to say that I love the videos you do Bruce, for their historical facts and for their humour. You're simply fantastic to watch and listen to and I'm really grateful to you for posting these. You do an amazing job of storytelling and I'm glad UA-cam led me to your videos some time ago.
Thanks for yet another edifying episode in Scottish history. Your easy to follow depiction of the battle settled much in my mind which has pestered me regarding the battle. Also, it will lend another level of sad beauty to that wonderful lament often played at memorial services.
Funny and yet sombre and sad. You sir are a gifted storyteller!
Thanks Kevin
My great great and more grandfather and his son were Knighted on this feild sir ralph ellerker he was one of the leaders of the pilgrimage of grace and was killed in france in another war . Enjoyed your video, I have not been to this feild but have some urge to go there
Excellent storytelling, making history come to life. I am currently doing my family tree and discovered James IV was the first husband of my direct descendant Margaret. She married my 14th great grandfather after his death
Hi there, another very interesting and well presented film. Love you style you “orrible” Scot, keep the videos coming, best wishes from an English fan.
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Feet up watching my fav UA-camr and a medieval battle. Can't beat it!
I like your style
Man. Just in the last 5 videos your production value has gone through the roof. Great video and a great story. Thank you
Aye my video adviser will love to hear that
You are quite correct, Culloden was a British army versus an army comprised of French, Irish and Scots. However, and I am from south of the border, a large number of Scots refer to it as England v Scotland. I even found this in Edinburgh at a history talk in one of the squares. The students who were giving it were quite unaware until I mentioned it. Is this how the education system in Scotland prefers it?
You didn't know the "English" army was largely Scottish, including some Highlanders from Clan Sutherland, Clan MacKay, Clan Ross, Clan Gunn and Clan Grant, plus a unit of Irish.
It was a British army that fought the Jacobites.
My ex girlfriend who is English, also thought the battle was English against Scottish rebels.
@@LordOfLight tell the Scots that then who have continually referred to it as an English army. Oh sorry thats only when saying it was a cruel slaughter by the evil redcoats,..then it's English army,...but when it's about who won then it's a British or mostly Scots army 🤔
Even Scots in the Gvt side
@@LordOfLight You are RIGHT
One of your finest efforts Bruce! Captivating tale! Bravo sir! Good day from America!
Thank you
Great distillery just being built in Wooler, love that town.
Another excellent win for us.
Bruce, I'm sorry it took me so long to find you. I love your words and outlooks on history and present day. Just in case you haven't heard today but your a beautiful person. From New Jersey to you, bless up bro, keep this going.
Welcome aboard!😘
What a sad story...on to the next video...I just love ..Let me tell you a story 💚 Why are you not on TV to educate our children..I'm 60 I wasn't tought none of this..🇮🇪🏴🏴🇬🇧
Interesting and educational as always.
Informative and thought provoking as always. Cheers Bruce.
Absolutely brilliant I'm a proud Geordie and love these videos of the Borders and the rest of the videos....keep up the great work
Thanks Keith
What can I take to unhook from the habit of watching these programs; I have paperwork to do before I die? Sir Bruce, another hypnotic narrative, fortunately aided with text. It's a wee bit small, but better than listening only. The favorable points of this program were to tell me about that Battle, and the story of the song I have listened to many times. I have been to most of the venues of your programs, but not Floddon (spelling?) Field. Your programs are far too academically dense to watch but once, however. I need to watch them a couple of times. Also, I share that they are as distracting and diverting me from my problems as must occur during a game of golf. I don't think about anything but your video work and your comments. R. Brill, Poe biographer
Great stuff Bruce. Thank You.
Very welcome
As an American with many Scottish ancestors, I can not express my appreciation for these videos. Bruce, your great talent for storytelling makes these videos so much better than listening to a normal history documentary. Your choices of content is great as well. I think that many present day Scots struggle to understand the fascination that Americans have with Scottish history. The USA is a very young country compared to the European countries. Many Americans only have 200-300 years of history in America, but their ancestors were in Scotland for a thousand years or more. We don’t have the luxury of having a lot of history out our front doors. We don’t have castles or ancient battlefields to visit. Things that modern day Scots take for granted are totally new to most Americans. We have much more family history in Scotland and other European countries than we have in America. Thanks for taking the time to share Scottish history with us in such a way that only a true Scot can.
Here to help Jackie
Yep, warped and biased
Thanks Bruce love your story’s that a modified version of what I’ve read previous but history is what it is ! Maybe a thin slice of truth covered by a thick layer of butter and jam ! Keep up the nice work.
Thank you for such a clear exposition.
You're very welcome!
Cheers for the video
Nae bother
Enjoyed that Bruce me ole pal.
I'm delighted
Thanks for another good one, Bruce! I am loving this tour of the borderlands, especially as I have traced some of my genealogical roots to the area where you are now.
Request: Please talk about the scenario with King David II and Sir John de Coupland.
Fantastic video, as always, and a very insightful commentary.
Thank you kindly!
I’m actually preparing for a Pathfinder 2e campaign that takes place in England during the reign of Henry the eighth, starting in 1513 at the battle of Flodden. This is very helpful for research. Thank you.
I am really enjoying your well put together and thought provoking videos. As a northern Englishman now living in Sussex but with family in the Borders and Perth I agree with much you have to say. Thanks again.
Welcome aboard!
Remember passing the sign to Flodden with my gf in the 90's. We stopped had a look at the field and ended up driving back to Newcastle in bare feet because Flodden was sodden.
Thanks for the vid.
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I was under the impression Flodden was the catalyst for the era of the reivers. Didn't realise they were already a thing at 1513. Everydays a learning day. Thanks Bruce!
Aye wars of independence would have been a catalyst
Thank you. I really enjoyed your video🏴🏴
Excellent video. As you described the battle, it makes me wonder which parts my ancestors (5 that I know of) were involved in when they lost their lives, or if any of them knew each other. I look forward to the next video of your trip.
It is great listening to you about the history of Scotland 🏴 so thank you
You're welcome
Great presentation Freind and much appreciated like many others youv done 🏴
Thank you kindly
both of my 15th great grandfathers died in this battle,2nd earl of Caithness and 2nd earl of Bothwell
aww i wanna go with yall!! lol can u imagine how much fun it would be to tour Scotland and hear Bruce teach you about everywhere you go?!? id pay good money for that.... we need one massive tour bus and a business license haha lets do this 😆 I want to go to Scotland so bad. one day my Texan ass will sit on Scottish soil haha one day....
Love this man's story telling.
your videos are excellent big man.
cheers for posting them
watching in Paisley.
Brilliant battle description. Of course they were all tactical. In the movie it would just be thousands of people having a massive rammie while the love interest watched on from the tree line
Absolutely brilliant. Thanks
Ah cheers
My 17 great grandfather died here Archibald Campbell 2nd Earl of Argyll🙁
Bruce, thank you for another beautiful and heartbreaking video. I really wish you had your own international tv show. I'm going to contact PBS here in the states. You never know. If enough people get the buzz going it could happen. 🤞
I'll put you down as my US agent 😁
@@ScotlandHistoryTours 😁 Please do.
My ancestors fought at Flodden as mounted archers and billmen, in the company of Lord Clifford.
The English and Scot’s had mounted archers ?
@@blade5896 They got from A to B quicker but dismounted to fight, essentially mounted infantry. Having a horse also entitled you to more pay.
My ancestors kept their heads down.😃
Can tell that coin is starting to turn In now for you Bruce with how great the production is now ☺️
Was here when you had about 2k subscribers, a quick 2 years eh. From
When I first saw that video of Mary Queen Of Scots on Loch Leven. You deserve every second of the success on here. Would love you to do a video on the history of Eglinton castle in Kilwinning sometime.
Great video Bruce. I watched it back in the summer in preparation to spending time in the Borders and visiting Floden Fields and I watched it again after being there. We were originally going to have a very brief visit but we bumped into a local (Ian/Iain) who was an absolute mine of information on the battle. He gave us an impromptu tour of the battlefield which brought the whole thing so much more alive. So if you happen to be down there again look out for a guy walking a pair of golden retrievers and ask him to show you around.
Fantastic Bruce! Thanks again and very funny too. My Ancestor Baron Sir James Henderson died with James V.
Whilst on holiday in Northumberland last year I decided to visit Flodden. It’s one of those places with an eerie atmosphere and you can tell that something awful happened there. “To the brave of both nations” on a small stone cross is pretty much the only indication that there was a major battle though. A bigger memorial is required in my opinion.
My wife, who was born and raised in Edinburgh, is currently there on her yearly month long visit to family and friends. Ive visited twice and wish I heard of your channel before I visited. Lots of great history and well told!!
huge heart this episode.
Love the channel! I'm currently researching my ancester Alexander Ramsay of Dalhousie who died in this battle. His Great Grandfather Willelmus de Ramesay signed the declaration of Arbroath. It's really fascinating.
Great show , thankyou 🙏
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I have a distant grandfather who died in flodden. I love Scottish history and enjoy the way you tell it. You bring it to life. My great grand parents left glasgow after ww1 and came to the states and made way to the west coast. Where we still are today. Scotland is my biggest dream To go there. To never return to America would be fantastic. Clan Hay. Serva Jugum. A Hay! A Hay!
Bullshit.
@@jimboll6982 bulls do shit. Very good observation.
I was there 3 weeks ago with my youngest laddie. We walked round the entire new path (with excellent signage and info stops), up the hill to James' starting point then back down again. Walking over where the worst of the slaughter took place was a strange feeling. It's a very emotive place.
Fascinating bud cheers 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Excellent . A disaster that is not so well documented as Culloden which was really a battle of religion . This battle they said affected every house in Scotland and also led to the Flodden Wall around Edinburgh .
Sat in Canada listing to Flowers of the Forrest about a battle in my Native Northumberland.
I'm doing live shows in Canada in 2024. Shows in Halifax, Annapolis, New Glasgow, Moncton, Montreal, Perth , Ottawa, Toronto, Fergus, Seaforth, Calgary, Vancouver and Victoria. Most of the details are here www.brucefummey.co.uk/shows.aspx
@@ScotlandHistoryToursI'm in Medicine Hat 2 + hours from Calgary lots of English Scots here like me ex army but not all
Thanks for the subtitles🌝
Brilliant as usual.
Well said ! 👏
Another great video Bruce.
Thank you. I'm desendent of lord Hume . At a Hume gathering we had a ceremony at that church . Then walked to the field of Flodden . Thank you again . I love you sense of humor . Your a true Bard
Love this video, great as always
Thanks
Watched a few videos tonight great stuff 👍
Thanks Rory
Captivating storytelling. I wish I had half the ability.
the scottish population was about half a million in 1500, meaning about 6-8% of scotland's entire population was camped on that hill that day. the sheer scale of it in terms of demographics must have been unprecedented, honestly mental. cheers bruce
Did we have "unprecedented" back then? I thought it was a modern day BBC word to try and dramatise everything 😂
Another good one Bruce.
Love your tours, it’s like I’m there
Flowers of the Forest⚘️⚘️⚘️🍃✨️✨️✨️🌠!
I will remember this story forever.
Thank you for sharing.
God bless✨️
You are so welcome
Quality production love it..
Lord Bruce, yet another EPIC video! Great scenery, well-scripted and edited, as usual! Especially liked your military history, high ground vs marshes; pikes vs axes, etc! How gruesome! And the bit about Thistles with Rose Thorns! Ah, and with daffodils getting pushed up by who-knows what unlucky sole buried in the fields there!
Oh...the camper van, wow you've gone Luxurious on us!!
Keep 'em coming!
😂 Luxury will be when I get the yacht
Good words at the end !
Thanks a Brilliant Video From Blue
You're very welcome
Fantastic video, as is all of your work. Whilst there is a always fascination in these glorified battles, I think current events remind us of the futility of war and the evils of the rich spending the blood of the poor. I think you got that point across really well with the rugby analogy.
Many, many years ago my son and I were invited to join 150 riders on horseback to ride from Coldstream to Flodden, preceded by the Coldstream guards and the the bra lad and bra lass of all the border towns. A brilliant day. 🌞
Sounds fantastic
@@ScotlandHistoryToursIt was fantastic. I’ve learned and understood more on my second visit to this video 🌞
Another fantastic video, thank you!
Thanks again!
Yes I visited here some years back,I was the only person present,a very sombre and sad place,especially the terrain a killing ground .💔
Been enjoying a few of your vids mate :) You have a great message weaved into them as well! Cheers
Much appreciated
A'reyt Bruce. Welcome back to England. I had always heard this as being the victory of billhooks against traditional Scottish spearmen. The French pike and the outmanoeuvre onto more suitable terrain is very interesting. Ruthless modern English against romantic Scottish heroics also given a twist with the "I won my fight" bit too.
Good rugby analogy at the end, though I imagine there will be many of the football supporters both sides of the border wanting to see them meet in the World Cup.
I tend to like the way Wales have done so well in that sport recently by channelling their national pride on the pitch and I have enjoyed watching them on S4C on satellite, in a language that seems to repeat "Bale" every sentence.
It was actually SWISS pike in design. The Scots army was trained in the new European tactics of the time; 'Lansknecht' ('lancing knight'). The Swiss were the masters of it. It involved forming up an army into four or five small-ish phalanxes ('schiltrons' in Scots) of footsoldiers, and charging them at the opposing lines of foot troops and using the pikes to knock them off their feet. Traditionally, Scots had fought in three larger schiltrons, which were less mobile. The new tactics should have worked as the English bills and halberds had a shorter reach and so shouldn't have been able to stave off the schiltrons. But the Scots weren't used to trying to move en masse at the fairly quick trot the Lansknecht approach demanded, and the wet ground made it very difficult to keep in formation. They schiltrons had become disordered, barely-moving masses by the time they engaged the English billsmen, who were able to 'chop' the ends off the pikes with ease.
@@martinodoni8943Thank you for the detail. As a wargamer, I used to sit watching films and pick up all the bits of detail like this. After a few years you realise they do not care and just go with it. Spartan helmets and also their shields with patterns instead of lambda used to bug me most.
Many of the men from the Borders towns died at Flodden. In 1514 Surrey returned to sack the Border towns on route to Edinburgh. The English Army camped a mile outside Hawick at Hornshole. The youth of Hawick launched a night ambush on the English and caused such carnage that the English Army had to retire back to England. The Hexham Priory flag was captured and brought to Hawick and is celebrated every year at the Hawick Common Riding. Check it out.😊
I know. I believe the flag is still in the museum and I had thought about making a visit during the trip
Hopefully you will visit. Think the original Banner is back at Hexham, but not sure. Great video btw.👍🏻
The zzEnglisjh sacked Scottish border towns.
And what did the jocks do to English border towns. Oh yes you just had a little boast about Hexham.
You lot like to play the victims.
Maybe when you get Indy, the Riding outs will be stopped.
@scotland History Tours I was blessed with my first trip to Scotland. I found my family's old estate in Peebles. When I make it back can I hore you Bruce to take me around and teach me some History? It became so real to me knowing my family's Scottish roots.