Thank you so much for this thorough explanation…my story is this, I wore a size 13 for well over 15 years, I’d go through sneakers and work boots quite often, busting them apart. I bought a pair of red wing super sole 2.0’s 3 years ago and tried on 13. Fit really uncomfortably. They then measured my feet using their fancy computerized 3D device, and recommended 14ee. I thought they were nuts but bought them to try anyway. By far, the most comfortable pair of anything I’ve owned (after break in of course). My overall foot length is a hair over 12” but my arch length must be longer. I just ordered a brannock device so I can order a nice pair of higher end boots without having to exchange them 15 times. I really appreciate the info!!
Thanks for this great video. I knew of the Brannock device since I was a kid but I never really knew much about the arch and width measurements on the device. I went to a popular sporting goods store today, found a Brannock device and proceeded to try measuring my feet (prior to seeing your video). A shoe department clerk asked if I needed help. I replied yes. I asked him how to use the device and obviously, he didn't know either. He said it wasn't important and to just go by how the shoe feels. He needs to watch this video. Piece of advice, never take a salesperson's word as absolute truth.
Wow, thank you! The brannock has been a total enigma to me in understanding the two most important measurements. I just got done watching your Viberg last breakdown, and all I can say is (time permitted, obviously) YOU NEED TO MAKE MORE VIDEOS, lol. I love your channel.
Good device review. I normally wear a 12 but some manufacturers, my foot is smaller size IE timberlands run big. So, I wear either 11 or a 10.5 wide. Cole Hann, I wear an 11. According to the Brannock I need a 12 wide. Last time my foot was professionally measured I was told 10.5
I am an 8.5 Brannock, 7.5 flex with quite a narrow foot, (only learned this today) like somewhere between an A and B. I got Grant Stone's BRass boot in a 7.5 last year and my foot is SWIMMING inside an ocean in there. Luckily with thick socks and some insoles we achieved an ok fit, but I'll be ordering some diesels for this summer and man, I hope I get it right on the first try. Returns from Canada are expensive!
Oh wow! A/B is pretty narrow. You might wanna buy something more like Whites, through Bakers in Oregon. They have a lot of narrow widths in their MP model (Barrie last) and others. Good luck! Lemme know if you need any more input 🙌🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 Hey! Thanks for the quick reply! Either I wasn't reading the Brannock right or the store had a janky one, but either way I went to two other stores today to get measured and I can confidently say I'm an 8.5C with an 8.5 arch length luckily. I'm actually looking at getting a pair of Grant Stone's Diesel boots this spring and was wondering if you had any experience with the boot/last? I have a 7.5D in the Brass Boot and my foot is swimming in there, without my insoles and thick wool socks I can tie it up and literally feel the boot bounce around off my foot if I shake it. I'm waiting on an email from Grant Stone, but just figured I'd check to see if you had any specific wisdom to pass on here! Obviously gonna downsize to a 7D at least, but not sure if a 6.5D would fit better given my C width.
@@Brayden-c9o hey! This is good news 😂 C is much more manageable. I also am a C width. I’m 10.5C arch length and 10C overall length. Typically, in a case like ours, we would take the largest size as our true size. So you’re 8.5C and I’m 10.5C….I have worn multiple sizes of Floyd last and Leo last, and the most successful for feet like ours is 1 down from Brannock. You don’t wanna go down further from that cuz then you’ll be compromising your ball joint and toes. So, 7.5D Leo last *should* fit you pretty well. It’s not as roomy as Floyd. What’s interesting is, their shoes fit me better than their boots. The boots have the voluminous shaft, so they’re harder to tighten up enough in the right places, unlike the shoe. Hope that helps!
thank you so much for this great explanation video. from my experience this will never work with British and italian shoemaker brands , i know how to use Brannock device decade ago . my size on brannock 10.5 which is the conversion charts says 9.5-10.5 UK size and 43-44 Italian size, i have more than 20 italian and british shoes and boots all my italian shose sizes are 42 and the UK shoes and boots size 8 and 8.5 some brands 7.5 and some times 8, like tricker, john lobb, crockets & johns , faragammo , santoni , carmina and TLB. all this brands i wear size 8 ,8.5 uk and 42 euro size .one more thing i would like to say is to get your best fit is to try the shoes physically at the store buying online is a big risk specifically for overseas shipping . thank you so much again for the video 👍👍
Really helpful info on how to size with a Brannock device...especially helpful on measuring at the ball of the foot. Are Brannock devices available for sale somewhere?
Great explanation. Thank you so much! Follow up question: Just watched another video with a professional fitter who says to measure with the foot at a 45 degree angle rather than standing flat footed. Any thoughts on why? Is it different for different types of shoes?
Glad the video helped! The question about the 45 degrees is a very good question. Here's what's going on with that: measuring at a 45 degree angle takes the measurement with the foot's arch uncollapsed. If you are going to wear footwear with substantial arch support which prevents the arch from collapsing (like a PNW boot like Nicks or Whites that has insanely high and stiff arch support), then it makes sense to measure at a 45 degree angle. BUT in most cases, your footwear will not support your arch enough to prevent your arch from collapsing when you stand up, so it is best in that case to measure standing up, because that is how your feet and footwear will interact in real life. Does that make sense?
What size do you wear in your 55 Whites (or Nicks or that matter). True to size, 10.5, or do you still go down 0.5 size? It's a bit hard to figure this out, as most say 0.5 down, but in some cases the toe might touch the front i've found, and you never ever want that happening, as well as you want your foot to also never go over the welt itself and only hit the inner leather insole, which can happen if its slightly too small. Regards
Sorry, it’s probably just sloppy cuz of the video. I was bending over n stuff to film, which made my foot sit funny and the measurement weird. I’ve measured many times on this device, and my arch length is definitely 10.5. So I was just calling it out as what was correct, even though in the video maybe it was a bit off and I didn’t realize it…..Honestly, it’s so small in the video that I’m surprised you can even see the numbers.
What do you do if you’ve got ridiculously long toes and high arch. EX overall size is 9.5 but your ball length is 10.5. I’ve been wearing footwear that is too small my whole life. At 62 years old finally had to get the clown shoes at 10.5 to save my feet from further damage.
@@thevintagefuture6567 My example wasn’t correct. I have been jamming my foot in boots to small for me, But the break point in the vamp is correct. Now in size 10.5 my toe’s have room But the break point is to close to the laces. This can be remedied a bit with wider but smaller sizing.
@@edbehan1306 ah ok, so you’re saying you feel like you have too much room in the front of the boots? I think that’s actually ok. And like I said, you can split the difference if you want too. Like, instead of buying a 10.5 next time, buy a 10. Fit/comfort is king. I wouldn’t worry about where the crease is, as long as the fit is good and your flex point is more or less aligned well.
I actually now prefer the extra width of D. I find C too tight for my taste now, as I don’t prefer an overly snug fit anymore. But C is good if it’s dress shoes or something.
@@thevintagefuture6567 I don’t like my boots snug either. I like my fit to be almost loose but not if that makes sense. But D’s are are very slightly loose side especially in the heel. I have skinny ass ankles and low volume feet anyway. The best fitting last for me is the Alden Trubalance in a D width though. That last is so darn comfy because of the smaller heel width to larger forefront.
@@MarcP5267 that’s a great last! I think you would love the Viberg 2040. That and Trubalance are a similar shape, and both low volume for feet like ours
@@thevintagefuture6567 ok thanks! I’ll look into that 2040 last. Trubalance is lower profile / height than the likes of Red Wings. However I do wear Red Wing work line boots for work as I do medium to heavy duty labor. Work line boots are a different animal than the heritage line. I wear an 8.5C in the Red Wing 606’s which is my Brannock. In fact I was thinking that the made in USA work boots some styles are a good alternative to heritage type boots.
I'am male. My height is 6′ 1. The device shows the full length of my foot 8. Length to ball 11. Foot width B. So what is my shoe size? I don't understand. I'm wearing 8.5 work boots, does that mean they bend in completely the wrong place? Do I have short toes?
oh wow, this is an exceptional situation....I'm no pro, so I suppose just go for what's most comfortable. And depends on what kind of footwear you use. If it's a sneaker it doesn't really matter. If it's a heavy duty work boot, it matters, so go to a PNW company like Nicks or Whites or JK who can get you custom length/width combinations.
It’s more about ball alignment. The best explanation I’ve heard is comparing shoe fit to glove fit for your hand. If you wear size Large gloves, you would still need size Large even if you chopped your fingers off. Cuz it’s about the joint where your finger meets your hand. Same with boots. You size for your largest Brannock size or thereabouts, which aligns your foot ball, and once you do this, it doesn’t matter as much how much toe room there is as long as it’s not insanely long or uncomfortably short.
@@brettbjornson I’m this case, you would call 10 your size since it’s a bit longer. If the two measurements were a whole size apart you might split the difference, but here you just take your larger size. You can of course fudge it a 1/2 size small when that works for you, but that wouldn’t be the starting point 👍🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 I appreciate the response👍🏻 I have heard some people say they haven't had the greatest experience with them. I have ordered 1 pair of 8" Travelers and 1 pair of 8" Overlanders both in 1964 smooth and both with Celastic toes in 8.5 D. Hope it works out🤞🏻
i honestly cannot make sense of the brannock device. I got measured at many shoe stores around the country, all the time i'm told i'm size 9 to 9.5 - B to C width. Shoes of that size end being 1.5 to 2 inches longer than my foot and i don't walk well in them. I have to go down to size 8.5 C and then they fit perfect. I honestly don't know what the discrepancy is. I bought shoes in Italy a couple of years ago and the store clerk explained to me how the measuring system works there and the shoes he gave me literally fit like a glove. Not surprisingly when i convert the size of my italian shoes, 42EU, it turns out the us equivalent is 8.5.... go figure....
Unfortunately, the issue is most often that salespersons don’t know how the heck to use a Brannock device. It’s really not that hard, and it is very reliable. But if they are untrained, there’s no fixing that in-store. Sounds like you were helped by poorly trained people. Another common issue is the salesperson ignoring arch length and only accounting for overall length. The last common issue is them getting your Brannock right but then thinking that means that’s your shoe size in all shoes. But if a certain last fits large, you of course would need to size down, not take your Brannock size. The salespersons often just give you the Brannock size when they should have used it as a reference to size down from for certain lasts…..All that said, there should be some space in front of the toes, but 2” sounds excessive, for most shoes anyways (there are some shoes where you’re supposed to have extra room in front of the toes.
Hey David, planning on buying the Grant Stone Ottawa boot. Wondering how wide is the LEO last. I am a D borderline E width. Will the D width OK to purchase or an E width suffice. I like my boots snug but not too tight.
@@mikester6192 ah I see! Well, I would still go E. If you immediately don’t like it, they have a great free exchanges policy. As long as you don’t crease it or damage it before deciding. I’m a C width and their D width Leo feels plenty snug. I wear medium thickness wool socks (for reference).
@@mikester6192 oh yeah, if you have some decent volume, definitely get E I think. But as I said, you can always exchange for free! And they have EE for many models I think, so you could go up from there. Their employees like Gio are very helpful.
if thats a 10 and lets say its 28cm, how come some manufacturer its a 9 or whatever. Also, whats with the 'c' label for width. Why not use globally accepted and established units of measurement. Why is this made purposefully obscured?
I agree, it’s a bummer that manufacturers don’t all coordinate their sizing. The reason is because many of them have lasts and sizing conventions which date back decades or sometimes even 100+ years, a time before globalization. These traditions and ilks of the craft formed in different environments, countries, cultures, and only recently have had to coexist within the same international market. I’m sure they could all sync their jargon, but it would take a massive effort.
@@thevintagefuture6567 retroactiove i suppose, but the japanese already use cm and so does china (though JP is measuring diagonally). Moving forward, i feel like this wouldn't be too difficult especially for those that already have jp added. Somehow people arent even bothered by it, which is weird to me. Like my EU sizes differ from 41.5 to 44 for adidas for example. First thing i have to do is find out which one refers to 27cm. But i guess it is what it is.
I'm a little stumped as I've measured my feet exactly like in the video but it says I'm a D and there's no way in hell I can be a D. I measured my left foot to be 11 inches in width around the foot with a tailors tape. I've never fit shoes with D widths I've always preferred EE. I ordered Nicks boots in 12.5 E and they didn't even fit me I had to go up a width.
I mean, it's all relative. And the Brannock doesn't always translate into real life. For instance, 12.5EE and 13E and 13.5D are all roughly the same (not exactly, but roughly). The problem is, most shoe/boot companies only sell D/E/maybe EE, so in real life we're forced to buy whatever is closest to our foot shape and size. Brannock is a device that gives objective knowledge of what our foot is, but doesn't necessarily dictate that we will be able to find something with that size label in the real world. Does this make sense? Am I understanding your situation correctly?
@thevintagefuture6567 Thank you for your response. That was helpful. The brannock device isn't perfect but it does at least get somewhat close to what your size could be yeah. I've never had issues with length only width on shoes I've tried. I'm about a EE in Nicks or 11 inches in width like I said. Most standard 13 US shoes do fit me but I was hoping now that I had my own brannock device I could get some answers in regards to my width but oh well.
I should have stated that this video is in regards to heritage boots specifically. These boots typically don’t have arch support. PNW boots like Nicks and Whites do have arch support, but they use their own sizing methods, not the Brannock device, which makes the Brannock less relevant to sizing PNW brands. For heritage boots or any footwear that does not have arch support, if you use your Brannock measurement with your arch not collapsed, your Brannock reading and actual wearing experience will be incompatible. The idea is, if your arch will be collapsed in the footwear you will use, the most accurate arch length to measure for with the Brannock will be the arch length with the arch collapsed.
@@thevintagefuture6567 no I meant ur feet. if your arch collapses when u stand on your foot its not physiological state. You might have over pronation as well.
Oooooh! Haha….Yes, you’re absolutely right. I have flat feet and always have. One of the reasons I like to wear boots and have some arch support is to assist with that probation you indicated. I haven’t seen a specialist, as it isn’t severe, but I probably could benefit from that. Thanks! You’re spot on 👍🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 I have that a lil in my right foot. Which is why I only buy boots with arch support and a heel that supports the inner part of my heel. Fro example I really like the Indy boot from alden but For whatever reason alden Indy boots enforce pronation which is the exact opposite of what a flat foot needs.
Thank you so much for this thorough explanation…my story is this, I wore a size 13 for well over 15 years, I’d go through sneakers and work boots quite often, busting them apart. I bought a pair of red wing super sole 2.0’s 3 years ago and tried on 13. Fit really uncomfortably. They then measured my feet using their fancy computerized 3D device, and recommended 14ee. I thought they were nuts but bought them to try anyway. By far, the most comfortable pair of anything I’ve owned (after break in of course). My overall foot length is a hair over 12” but my arch length must be longer. I just ordered a brannock device so I can order a nice pair of higher end boots without having to exchange them 15 times. I really appreciate the info!!
The BEST explanation on how to use the device. Thank you very much 👍
Thanks for this great video. I knew of the Brannock device since I was a kid but I never really knew much about the arch and width measurements on the device. I went to a popular sporting goods store today, found a Brannock device and proceeded to try measuring my feet (prior to seeing your video). A shoe department clerk asked if I needed help. I replied yes. I asked him how to use the device and obviously, he didn't know either. He said it wasn't important and to just go by how the shoe feels. He needs to watch this video. Piece of advice, never take a salesperson's word as absolute truth.
So glad this helped! Yeah, I’ve had the same experience as you many times in store; barely anyone is trained in using these anymore.
Thank you for such a clear explanation, I greatly appreciate it. I finally understand how these things work!
Thanks! So glad that helped!
Thank you! I have been looking for a tutorial on how to measure the width. Your video was the best explanation.
Nice. I just got a Brannock Device on a whim. I've always had trouble getting with shoe sizes. This is a great explanation.
Wow, thank you! The brannock has been a total enigma to me in understanding the two most important measurements. I just got done watching your Viberg last breakdown, and all I can say is (time permitted, obviously) YOU NEED TO MAKE MORE VIDEOS, lol. I love your channel.
Glad the videos help!! I really appreciate the kind words a lot 🙏🏽 I’ll totally try to keep making useful content!
Very good video. I fit boots and that is one of the clearest and most accurate videos i’ve seen on here.
Wow thanks so much for the input and encouragement on that!
Good device review. I normally wear a 12 but some manufacturers, my foot is smaller size IE timberlands run big. So, I wear either 11 or a 10.5 wide. Cole Hann, I wear an 11. According to the Brannock I need a 12 wide. Last time my foot was professionally measured I was told 10.5
I started working in a shoe store and wanted to learn how to measure shoe size. Thanks for explaining so clearly.
Wow that’s so good to hear! Hope the job goes really well!
Thank you so much for making this video. I've been struggling with my boot sizing and this is very helpful. Cheers
Awesome! I hope it helps a ton!
I am an 8.5 Brannock, 7.5 flex with quite a narrow foot, (only learned this today) like somewhere between an A and B. I got Grant Stone's BRass boot in a 7.5 last year and my foot is SWIMMING inside an ocean in there. Luckily with thick socks and some insoles we achieved an ok fit, but I'll be ordering some diesels for this summer and man, I hope I get it right on the first try. Returns from Canada are expensive!
Oh wow! A/B is pretty narrow. You might wanna buy something more like Whites, through Bakers in Oregon. They have a lot of narrow widths in their MP model (Barrie last) and others. Good luck! Lemme know if you need any more input 🙌🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 Hey! Thanks for the quick reply! Either I wasn't reading the Brannock right or the store had a janky one, but either way I went to two other stores today to get measured and I can confidently say I'm an 8.5C with an 8.5 arch length luckily. I'm actually looking at getting a pair of Grant Stone's Diesel boots this spring and was wondering if you had any experience with the boot/last? I have a 7.5D in the Brass Boot and my foot is swimming in there, without my insoles and thick wool socks I can tie it up and literally feel the boot bounce around off my foot if I shake it. I'm waiting on an email from Grant Stone, but just figured I'd check to see if you had any specific wisdom to pass on here! Obviously gonna downsize to a 7D at least, but not sure if a 6.5D would fit better given my C width.
@@Brayden-c9o hey! This is good news 😂 C is much more manageable. I also am a C width. I’m 10.5C arch length and 10C overall length. Typically, in a case like ours, we would take the largest size as our true size. So you’re 8.5C and I’m 10.5C….I have worn multiple sizes of Floyd last and Leo last, and the most successful for feet like ours is 1 down from Brannock. You don’t wanna go down further from that cuz then you’ll be compromising your ball joint and toes. So, 7.5D Leo last *should* fit you pretty well. It’s not as roomy as Floyd. What’s interesting is, their shoes fit me better than their boots. The boots have the voluminous shaft, so they’re harder to tighten up enough in the right places, unlike the shoe. Hope that helps!
@@thevintagefuture6567 Much appreciated, thank you for the recommendation! You've given me lots to think about!
thank you so much for this great explanation video.
from my experience this will never work with British and italian shoemaker brands , i know how to use Brannock device decade ago . my size on brannock 10.5 which is the conversion charts says 9.5-10.5 UK size and 43-44 Italian size, i have more than 20 italian and british shoes and boots all my italian shose sizes are 42 and the UK shoes and boots size 8 and 8.5 some brands 7.5 and some times 8, like tricker, john lobb, crockets & johns , faragammo , santoni , carmina and TLB. all this brands i wear size 8 ,8.5 uk and 42 euro size .one more thing i would like to say is to get your best fit is to try the shoes physically at the store buying online is a big risk specifically for overseas shipping . thank you so much again for the video 👍👍
Really helpful info on how to size with a Brannock device...especially helpful on measuring at the ball of the foot. Are Brannock devices available for sale somewhere?
You can buy them on Amazon and other similar sites! I got mine off the official Brannock website. Glad you liked the video!
Best explanation i found on the net. thank you!
Best video on this, thank you
Best video. Very clear. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation. Thank you so much!
Follow up question: Just watched another video with a professional fitter who says to measure with the foot at a 45 degree angle rather than standing flat footed. Any thoughts on why? Is it different for different types of shoes?
Glad the video helped! The question about the 45 degrees is a very good question. Here's what's going on with that: measuring at a 45 degree angle takes the measurement with the foot's arch uncollapsed. If you are going to wear footwear with substantial arch support which prevents the arch from collapsing (like a PNW boot like Nicks or Whites that has insanely high and stiff arch support), then it makes sense to measure at a 45 degree angle. BUT in most cases, your footwear will not support your arch enough to prevent your arch from collapsing when you stand up, so it is best in that case to measure standing up, because that is how your feet and footwear will interact in real life. Does that make sense?
@@thevintagefuture6567 that does make sense. Thank you for replying 😊
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to go through this.
Good that you made this. All of the how to use a brannock device videos are out of date or plain wrong
Glad you liked that!
Well done, very helpful!
Thank u very much for the demonstration
well explained 👏 thank you so much
Thanks! Very helpful.
Nice video! I think it may be the best Brannock device walk through on you tube. Maybe a video on foot volume/instep height would be a good follow up?
Thanks! And yeah that’s a great idea! Thank you for suggesting that 🙏🏽🙌🏽
Thank you! I learned some stuff today!👍🏽👊🏼
Glad something in there resonated haha
Great explanation video, thanks!
What happens when your heel to ball is smaller than your heel to toe? I’m a 9 HTB but 9.5 HTT with a EE width. Sometimes creates cramped toe boxes!
Great question! In this case you would take the largest size (your htt).
What size do you wear in your 55 Whites (or Nicks or that matter). True to size, 10.5, or do you still go down 0.5 size? It's a bit hard to figure this out, as most say 0.5 down, but in some cases the toe might touch the front i've found, and you never ever want that happening, as well as you want your foot to also never go over the welt itself and only hit the inner leather insole, which can happen if its slightly too small.
Regards
Are we supposed to wear socks when using a a Brannock device? Thanks.
Yes, because that’s how you’ll be wearing the shoes 👍🏽
Why are you calling the arch length a 10.5 at 7:46 even though it's pointing to 11? Are you supposed to go half an inch behind the pointer?
Sorry, it’s probably just sloppy cuz of the video. I was bending over n stuff to film, which made my foot sit funny and the measurement weird. I’ve measured many times on this device, and my arch length is definitely 10.5. So I was just calling it out as what was correct, even though in the video maybe it was a bit off and I didn’t realize it…..Honestly, it’s so small in the video that I’m surprised you can even see the numbers.
Great summary! Thank you.
Absolutely 🙏🏽🙌🏽
Appreciate your video man, one question, what if my foot length or arc length stays in-between like 10.6/10.7? Should I round it up? Thanks man
Always round up 👍🏽
Great explanation. My wife and I are in C & J Clark's Ltd. Orlando, Florida using the Brannock Device to find her shoe. Not much success so far. 😢
Hope the video helped! Hope y'al found her size!
How do you arrive at a 10 and a 10.5? I can see your toes going past the 10 (so 10.5) and the arrow on the arch is clearly indicating 11?
Must be the angle you're viewing it from on the video.
What do you do if you’ve got ridiculously long toes and high arch. EX overall size is 9.5 but your ball length is 10.5. I’ve been wearing footwear that is too small my whole life. At 62 years old finally had to get the clown shoes at 10.5 to save my feet from further damage.
Good question! In most cases, you just go with whichever measurement is longer, or split the difference if needed.
@@thevintagefuture6567 My example wasn’t correct. I have been jamming my foot in boots to small for me, But the break point in the vamp is correct. Now in size 10.5 my toe’s have room But the break point is to close to the laces. This can be remedied a bit with wider but smaller sizing.
@@edbehan1306 ah ok, so you’re saying you feel like you have too much room in the front of the boots? I think that’s actually ok. And like I said, you can split the difference if you want too. Like, instead of buying a 10.5 next time, buy a 10. Fit/comfort is king. I wouldn’t worry about where the crease is, as long as the fit is good and your flex point is more or less aligned well.
Great video. How is the fit in C widths for you? My width is also a solid C but almost a D. I find D widths to be slightly too wide.
I actually now prefer the extra width of D. I find C too tight for my taste now, as I don’t prefer an overly snug fit anymore. But C is good if it’s dress shoes or something.
@@thevintagefuture6567 I don’t like my boots snug either. I like my fit to be almost loose but not if that makes sense. But D’s are are very slightly loose side especially in the heel. I have skinny ass ankles and low volume feet anyway.
The best fitting last for me is the Alden Trubalance in a D width though. That last is so darn comfy because of the smaller heel width to larger forefront.
@@MarcP5267 that’s a great last! I think you would love the Viberg 2040. That and Trubalance are a similar shape, and both low volume for feet like ours
@@thevintagefuture6567 ok thanks! I’ll look into that 2040 last. Trubalance is lower profile / height than the likes of Red Wings. However I do wear Red Wing work line boots for work as I do medium to heavy duty labor. Work line boots are a different animal than the heritage line. I wear an 8.5C in the Red Wing 606’s which is my Brannock.
In fact I was thinking that the made in USA work boots some styles are a good alternative to heritage type boots.
It only give a correct measurement on the right foot?
It works on both feet 👍🏽
Hey kinda unrelated but where are the socks from? they look comfy
I usually wear Peoples Socks. Great price, 100% wool, made in USA.....I also wear Darn Tough sometimes.
What boot is that ?
Whites Semi Dress, C461 last, Color 8 CXL
I'am male.
My height is 6′ 1.
The device shows the full length of my foot 8.
Length to ball 11.
Foot width B.
So what is my shoe size? I don't understand.
I'm wearing 8.5 work boots, does that mean they bend in completely the wrong place?
Do I have short toes?
oh wow, this is an exceptional situation....I'm no pro, so I suppose just go for what's most comfortable. And depends on what kind of footwear you use. If it's a sneaker it doesn't really matter. If it's a heavy duty work boot, it matters, so go to a PNW company like Nicks or Whites or JK who can get you custom length/width combinations.
How much room should you leave at the end of the shoe?
It’s more about ball alignment. The best explanation I’ve heard is comparing shoe fit to glove fit for your hand. If you wear size Large gloves, you would still need size Large even if you chopped your fingers off. Cuz it’s about the joint where your finger meets your hand. Same with boots. You size for your largest Brannock size or thereabouts, which aligns your foot ball, and once you do this, it doesn’t matter as much how much toe room there is as long as it’s not insanely long or uncomfortably short.
@@thevintagefuture6567 For length I measure up to 10 but for arch length I measure up to 9.5 so I am not really sure what to do
@@brettbjornson I’m this case, you would call 10 your size since it’s a bit longer. If the two measurements were a whole size apart you might split the difference, but here you just take your larger size. You can of course fudge it a 1/2 size small when that works for you, but that wouldn’t be the starting point 👍🏽
What brand boot is that?
What happened with the Nick's BuilderPros? Was it a bad experience?
I mis sized, unfortunately. I pulled the videos down because, looking back, I feel now that they could have been more helpful.
@@thevintagefuture6567 I appreciate the response👍🏻 I have heard some people say they haven't had the greatest experience with them. I have ordered 1 pair of 8" Travelers and 1 pair of 8" Overlanders both in 1964 smooth and both with Celastic toes in 8.5 D. Hope it works out🤞🏻
@@lancecowburn1693 if they’re sized right and you break them in, they’re amazing. Same with Whites. I just sized wrong haha. Hope yours are awesome!
Thanks for the info
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Great as always. Very helpful!
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What boots are those?
Made to order White’s semi dress from Baker’s Shoe in Oregon.
I listened at 75% playback speed and it sounded perfect.
i honestly cannot make sense of the brannock device. I got measured at many shoe stores around the country, all the time i'm told i'm size 9 to 9.5 - B to C width. Shoes of that size end being 1.5 to 2 inches longer than my foot and i don't walk well in them. I have to go down to size 8.5 C and then they fit perfect. I honestly don't know what the discrepancy is. I bought shoes in Italy a couple of years ago and the store clerk explained to me how the measuring system works there and the shoes he gave me literally fit like a glove. Not surprisingly when i convert the size of my italian shoes, 42EU, it turns out the us equivalent is 8.5.... go figure....
Unfortunately, the issue is most often that salespersons don’t know how the heck to use a Brannock device. It’s really not that hard, and it is very reliable. But if they are untrained, there’s no fixing that in-store. Sounds like you were helped by poorly trained people. Another common issue is the salesperson ignoring arch length and only accounting for overall length. The last common issue is them getting your Brannock right but then thinking that means that’s your shoe size in all shoes. But if a certain last fits large, you of course would need to size down, not take your Brannock size. The salespersons often just give you the Brannock size when they should have used it as a reference to size down from for certain lasts…..All that said, there should be some space in front of the toes, but 2” sounds excessive, for most shoes anyways (there are some shoes where you’re supposed to have extra room in front of the toes.
so what size boots are those haha
10D
Hey David, planning on buying the Grant Stone Ottawa boot. Wondering how wide is the LEO last. I am a D borderline E width. Will the D width OK to purchase or an E width suffice. I like my boots snug but not too tight.
I vote E width. But @aerosurferlv would have much more info. I’ve had like 6 pairs of Grant Stone. Dale has had like 30 haha
@@thevintagefuture6567 Thanks David love your videos. I already watch all of Dale’s Grant Stone videos. Dale likes his boots loose
@@mikester6192 ah I see! Well, I would still go E. If you immediately don’t like it, they have a great free exchanges policy. As long as you don’t crease it or damage it before deciding. I’m a C width and their D width Leo feels plenty snug. I wear medium thickness wool socks (for reference).
@@thevintagefuture6567 Thanks David I have normal to medium arches. High volume feet. The E width sounds great
@@mikester6192 oh yeah, if you have some decent volume, definitely get E I think. But as I said, you can always exchange for free! And they have EE for many models I think, so you could go up from there. Their employees like Gio are very helpful.
if thats a 10 and lets say its 28cm, how come some manufacturer its a 9 or whatever. Also, whats with the 'c' label for width. Why not use globally accepted and established units of measurement. Why is this made purposefully obscured?
I agree, it’s a bummer that manufacturers don’t all coordinate their sizing. The reason is because many of them have lasts and sizing conventions which date back decades or sometimes even 100+ years, a time before globalization. These traditions and ilks of the craft formed in different environments, countries, cultures, and only recently have had to coexist within the same international market. I’m sure they could all sync their jargon, but it would take a massive effort.
@@thevintagefuture6567 retroactiove i suppose, but the japanese already use cm and so does china (though JP is measuring diagonally). Moving forward, i feel like this wouldn't be too difficult especially for those that already have jp added. Somehow people arent even bothered by it, which is weird to me. Like my EU sizes differ from 41.5 to 44 for adidas for example. First thing i have to do is find out which one refers to 27cm. But i guess it is what it is.
Yeah, I guess it’s not that hard, as you say; but the issue is the companies seem to not care, so the show goes on 😂
I'm a little stumped as I've measured my feet exactly like in the video but it says I'm a D and there's no way in hell I can be a D. I measured my left foot to be 11 inches in width around the foot with a tailors tape. I've never fit shoes with D widths I've always preferred EE. I ordered Nicks boots in 12.5 E and they didn't even fit me I had to go up a width.
I mean, it's all relative. And the Brannock doesn't always translate into real life. For instance, 12.5EE and 13E and 13.5D are all roughly the same (not exactly, but roughly). The problem is, most shoe/boot companies only sell D/E/maybe EE, so in real life we're forced to buy whatever is closest to our foot shape and size. Brannock is a device that gives objective knowledge of what our foot is, but doesn't necessarily dictate that we will be able to find something with that size label in the real world. Does this make sense? Am I understanding your situation correctly?
@thevintagefuture6567 Thank you for your response. That was helpful. The brannock device isn't perfect but it does at least get somewhat close to what your size could be yeah. I've never had issues with length only width on shoes I've tried. I'm about a EE in Nicks or 11 inches in width like I said. Most standard 13 US shoes do fit me but I was hoping now that I had my own brannock device I could get some answers in regards to my width but oh well.
The arch should not collapse
I should have stated that this video is in regards to heritage boots specifically. These boots typically don’t have arch support. PNW boots like Nicks and Whites do have arch support, but they use their own sizing methods, not the Brannock device, which makes the Brannock less relevant to sizing PNW brands. For heritage boots or any footwear that does not have arch support, if you use your Brannock measurement with your arch not collapsed, your Brannock reading and actual wearing experience will be incompatible. The idea is, if your arch will be collapsed in the footwear you will use, the most accurate arch length to measure for with the Brannock will be the arch length with the arch collapsed.
@@thevintagefuture6567 no I meant ur feet. if your arch collapses when u stand on your foot its not physiological state. You might have over pronation as well.
Oooooh! Haha….Yes, you’re absolutely right. I have flat feet and always have. One of the reasons I like to wear boots and have some arch support is to assist with that probation you indicated. I haven’t seen a specialist, as it isn’t severe, but I probably could benefit from that. Thanks! You’re spot on 👍🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 I have that a lil in my right foot. Which is why I only buy boots with arch support and a heel that supports the inner part of my heel. Fro example I really like the Indy boot from alden but For whatever reason alden Indy boots enforce pronation which is the exact opposite of what a flat foot needs.
So funny you say that- I had the exact same experience with Alden Trubalance. Barrie worked nicely for my flat feet though.
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