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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Check out highlights from Trent Horn and Lila Rose’s debate with Destiny and Only Fans practitioner Jazmen Jafar on the question “Is S*x Work Bad for Society?”
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The nature of this content is mature and involves discussion of s*xuality and s*xual acts sometimes using graphic language. Please use discretion in watching this episode.
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00:00 - Intro and Warning
03:38 - Marital Dissatisfaction
06:38 - First Exposure
07:33 - Trent's Martial Arts Analogy
10:15 - Problematic P*rn Use
12:46 - Children and Violent P*rn
15:49 - Pr*stitution and Human Trafficking
18:29 - Consent and B**stiality
21:44 - Polygamous Relationships
23:20 - Issues with Consent
27:32 - Pr*stitutes, Consent, and Power
32:29 - The Morality of S*x
34:42 - You're an Insane Person!
38:03 - Trent's Closing Statement
39:14 - Lila's Closing Statement
40:21 - Common Ground - Розваги
When you can get your opponents to concede the legitimacy of beasiality, incest, animated child rape porn, and why children seeing porn can be a good thing ... you win. Great job, Trent and Lila!
Only legitimate in an illegitimate worldview.
Love your channel, Matt!
Indeed! Virtually all people would agree with this statement, and those who wouldn’t are just overly soaked in their own sinful consumptions that they won’t or can’t admit it.
Great to see you here Matt. GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST
This is where relativistic(often atheistic) morality ultimately leads, because there's no firm foundation for where the line is.
I was just about to watch this but nevermind, there’s clearly nothing here to learn because all of those topics are disgusting
The fact that this is even being debated truly shows how much society has degenerated!!
Love your username!
We fight against sexual degeneration, whether it's Muslims (polygyny, sex slavery, child marriage) or secularists (sex work, open relationships, polyamory/-gamy etc)
@@Galmala94 I appreciate your compliment
ok pedo
In many ways, Stephen is the modern man and Jazmen is the modern woman.
I love your username! We must spread the truth that Islam is evil.
Boy, "immodest" was an understatement.
She only has one shirt ! She is a lawyer... She wore the same shirt twice lol
I’ve never seen Trent Horn this heated in a debate before. Angry Trent Horn is scary and based 🔥🔥🔥
Based? Did you mean biased? Watching it now but Trent's always been able to sideline his bias or at least acknowledge it then set it aside for an argument...so wondering word you intended here?
He means based.@@aaronking9332
@@aaronking9332 he meant based, not biased. "Based" is a slang term.
Based, it’s like our millennial cool/king
@@aaronking9332 based is a slang word typically used in a context where you agree with someone or want to point out how bold or unapologetic or brave someone is being. its just a word of affirmation
As Catholics, we're so lucky to have such amazingly talented people as Trent and Lila defending our faith. I pray Trent can become the next St. Augustine and renew the faith of so many wayward people in our society.
Trent can be the next St. Aquinas. We need a guy with a sinners and schizmatic past to be the next Augustine😂 maybe Michael Lofton, he's very thoughtful and is very and charitable with a sketchy past but great channel!
As a protestant, I am super grateful to have them as well. We clearly differ in some theological things but I am very happy the positive social effect they are having on youtube.
Not lucky. Blessed 😊
@@spencermuffler true!!!
I pray some day you come to the fullness of Christ in the true Church. May we meet together in heaven some day!@@mattm7798
Basing your morality on "consent" is the recipe for disasters.
This is exactly why these same people will be advocating child sexual relationships with adults based on consent in like 5-10 years
@@chad_hominemthis is the most moronic statement I've ever heard. Just because people are fine with pornography and hookup culture doesn't mean they condone pedophilia. That's actually absurd. They even said somewhere in the debate that children cannot consent ever so it is always considered rape or abuse.
i would put it more like "consent alone" but yeah true
It's worked wonders so far, before that according to the Church you could rape as many kids as you wanted and all you needed to do was confess and be relocated. The law made them pay not God or the Church those 2 were actually standing in the way.
@@bitmma5432People always say that but then it happens. It's already happening, ever heard of MAPS, sure it's not popular but neither were gay couples in the 60s. Look how that turned out.
You have to appreciate Trent’s ‘reductio ad absurdum’ approach.
He basically followed their premises all the way to the absurd when they start defending bestiality over killing an animal for food.
In reality, I am sure they will be more outraged if they did see a person having sex with an animal, but they will rather go against conscience and reason to hold on to the absurd conclusions of their premises.
Once again, this almost sounds like a religion for them. It is just a religion built upon all other ideas except God.
In their last debate, Trent got Destiny to admit that within Destiny's moral framework ne cro phil ia is not necessarily immoral. Trent is the absolute master at pinning his opponents to the wall with their own arguments.
In 5-10 years these same people will be advocating for child sexual relationships with adults. Mark my words. The west is heading towards full degenerate weimar Germany/sodom & gomorrah.
Final truth to this madness: religion is inescapable.
@@jacklaurentius6130we will make a god out of anything to fill the vacuum of the One True God when we try to ignore Him. We always have a god whether it’s an idol or the real God.
@@NMemoneand agree that mentally disabling a fetus to create an infant sex doll wouldn’t be immoral if it reduced “actual” child SA.
The beastiality section was the most unhinged thing I've seen in a long long time
yeah, I can't believe Trent couldn't defend his positions, then retreated to the "MY FEELINGS" defense.
@@marfin4325”my feelings” is the only standard atheist can judge their morals
@@marfin4325Right, cuz nothing says “I want to f**k a dog” like “my feelings.” 🙄
@@marfin4325you support having sex with fetus corpses you have no say
@@marfin4325Logic isn’t the end all be all of moral questions. Logic is useful, obviously but if you can logic your way into screwing an animal, a dead body or your sister, then your system for establishing right and wrong is just fundamentally incorrect.
I will say this: I didn’t have to be taught that screwing my sister was wrong. I had no desire to, she is my family. This is normal behavior for normal societies. I didn’t have to be taught to not want to screw animals, I’ve never had the desire nor do 99% of people. Why is that the case? Couldn’t it be argued that instinctually, we fundamentally know it is bad behavior? Do I really need to form a logic chain argument that proves screwing animals is wrong in order to believe screwing animals is wrong? Of course not.
All any of this is, is just degenerates coping and trying to find ways to argue for their destructive lifestyles, which have been perpetuated into the main stream for average people to consume. Porn, prostitution, sex with animals, any of it, is terrible and provides zero good for society. Even from destiny’s view point, he has to admit that everything he is arguing for, is at best, morally neutral, which means it provides no good, at all, so why do it? Especially with the vast amounts of data that shows he destructive it actually is. He’s nothing but a coomer and so are you.
We need to emphasize to these types that consent is not a minimum. It's necessary, but not sufficient.
Go off Glof! Keep cooking
@@achilles4242 thanks king
This. The goodness of an act isn’t all down to consent.
Atheist, agree though. Communication is really what's necessary for any of this to work. I've seen really good poly/open relationships still continuing to this day, and consent isn't what made those strong- it was communication. Consent is only for the legal side of it.
Hey Glof, I hope you are doing well, king!
Someone who admits to not being a vegan also says that killing an animal is worse than having sex with it. I lost IQ points listening to that argument.
Thank God for Trent and Lila.
lol it’s crazy. When shes like "yea i eat animals but i know, i shouldnt, im horrible for it" if i was there id troll back “yea I know, I cant stop f$:&@?9 my dog, im horrible I know, i really shouldn’t”
@@MasterMote yeah I've had a tough time figuring out if justice killing, murder is worse than sexual abuse of any category. I guess sexual abuse with physical abuse combined with murder is the worst
@@IsraelCountryCube even if it is worse to sexually abuse someone than it is to murder and eat them, they’re both pretty horrific regardless. My point is, if she can say eating animals is wrong because it violates their consent, but she does it anyway, whats to stop her from saying she rapes animals; because it’s slightly worse, in theory? The reality is we don’t have relations with animals, not because of consent (animals dont consent to forced labor either, like when we ride horses) rather its disordered behavior and undignified for one made in the image of God.
The point they were making was for the animal. An animal would rather participate in that act and live, than be killed. No question. Not agreeing with them. Just being honest here.
Idk if a horse wants you off its getting you off tbh
I'm not surprised Trent lost his composure towards the end (even though I have watched every Trent video I can find and i've never seen him anything but cool as a cucumber). The implications of their arguments are truly horrendous and vile. May God show them the light. We should be praying for them.
After the discussion moved on from bestiality Destiny sat quietly for at least 15min. I think that even he was shaken by the things he was forced to concede to “bite the bullet”. I hope this causes him to reevaluate his views.
Yeah, I've watched Trent for some time now, and this honestly scared me a little. I don't appreciate it, but I'm not surprised.
@@jonathanfairchild his Divorce and life crumbling will force that. Sometimes one must he brought to their knees before the reevaluate everything. The next few years are going to he agonizing for him. I pray that he can remain strong through it.
It's incredible how Destiny will come here to defend promiscuity and infidelity while literally at the exact same moment his open-relations "wife" is divorcing him for the other man. People will say "personal attack" or whatever, but his life refutes his own arguments- AND HE STILL recoils at the thought that the arrangement of his relationship at all affected this outcome.
Denial can be a survival mechanism.
You can't use a single case to defend a overall trend. I know several monogamist marriages, where one of the spouses cheated and left for someone else. The only reason you think it would be a good idea to do a personal attack like this is because you're desperate.
@@marfin4325Yeah but the difference is that a monogamist relationship is built around full commitment and trust. Whereas polygamous relationships are built from the ground up to be full of mistrust and a selfish pursuit of desire.
Matthew 7:26 “you will know them by their fruits”
When you look at someone like Destiny, is that the foundation of being you want to bet your life on?
Only a fool will look to Destiny’s philosophy and the fruits of it in his own life and think, “ah yes, that is what I want to model my life after”
@@marfin4325Very weak argument lol.
I know it’s unrelated but Destiny getting divorced over an open marriage really discredits his position.
Destiny is a literal cuck lol
Not totally unrelated. It show his views on morality are inconsistent.
So do all of the other divorces, which are majority traditional marriages, discredit traditional marriages?
I’m not for open marriages, I just think you’d get drilled on that talking point if you brought it up against a good debater
@@joebriggs5781 uhh, How many open relationships or marriages have lasted 30 to 40yrs??
Granted heterosexual marriages and relationships have taken a hit due to societal decay. It’s still a better bet than an open relationship or marriage.
@@alphagenisis1 but if you’re going by that…the data has fluctuated but at some points heterosexual marriages have ended in divorce at higher rates than homosexual marriages…so should we be influencing people to be in homosexual marriages for a better bet?
Again, I’m against the idea of an open marriage but I would debate that against a closed marriage based on its merits, not by Destiny himself getting divorced. Like would a divorced person from a heterosexual marriage never be able to defend heterosexual marriages?
“No, you’re not sane! You’re an insane person!”
Trent wins.
Loved that moment. Well deserved comment and fairly restrained
Jordan Peterson once pointed out the difference between being sane and insane is that if you're sane, we can call you stupid. So Trent's comment is perfect because Destiny has this attitude where he's like - "You can't say or assume or associate me with stupid."
Lol
I always find Destiny frustrating to watch in debates. I think he constantly overestimates his rationality and intelligence. There wasn't a single point in these clips in which he or Jazmen were not on the defensive. Frankly, Trent, you steamrolled them.
The issue with Destiny is he thinks that he can rationalize his way out of any position or use red herrings. Unfortunately Trent isn’t letting that happen. He actually made Destiny and Jazmine admit that Harvey Weinstein did nothing wrong except he should have been more up front with his SA and that bestiality is better than killing an animal for food. There were points in this discussion that I could not believe that Destiny was arguing what he was. He blatantly refused to believe that kids are looking at porn and trying to act it out in reality. He based this on some crazy parallel with how people say kids playing violent video games makes them violent. They’re two different and disrelated topics. Just because you can make an analogy doesn’t mean the analogy fits. Dude is absolutely crazy.
His outrage at legitimate arguments is also annoying. He tries to use the tone of his voice to make the other’s position sound absurd. It’s like “YoU tHiNk WaTeR iS wEt?!” Yes Destiny, we do.
Destiny and Jazmen were always on the defensive in these clips because they are carefully selected highlights from a 3 hour debate.
@@loisdigsAlso, the question they were debating was "Is sex work good or bad?" So of course destiny would have to play defense, just by the nature of the topic and his stance on it.
That said, I still think he made a fool out of himself here.
Destiny is spineless and untethered from reality.
Spineless because he appears willing to say *literally anything* in order to not concede the slightest point to an opponent, even if it’s nonsensical and contradictory.
Untethered because we’ve now seen Destiny defend bestiality here, and in the abortion debate he continually depends upon ridiculous (truly, ridicule-worthy) fantasy hypotheticals divorced from reality.
I agree but it's his attempt to find bedrock and push people to concede a possible acception and exploit a supposed weakness in their ethic.
He doesn’t seem to get that just because a situation may exist wherein one *would* do something immoral that they *should* do something immoral.
Didn’t he defend necrophilia in that last debate? 🤮
That’s what happens when you’re worldview isn’t predicated on pursuing truth, but instead pursuing power.
He doesn’t have a coherent philosophical worldview to any profound degree. It’s superficial, at best.
The funny thing about the timing of this debate is Destiny just announced he is divorcing his wife who he is in a polygamous relationship with.
How'd that work out huh? Maybe we shouldn't take advice from these people who don't even have their own houses in order.
@@Joe-gi3njProve his worldview is based around the pursuit of power.
"They're not old enough to realize how sex is supposed to go."
But if Destiny and Jazmen's position is that sex can be just about feeling good physically, that's the one thing a child *can* fully understand about sex. These people can't really argue that children don't understand the ramifications of sex while arguing that sometimes the whole point is to feel good with no other ramifications. In reality, it's inappropriate to expose children to sex because sex is more than just feeling good.
They are referring to child development. Both sides are wrong to continue amd press children in a debate thst should be about an act between adults. It isn't hard to figure thst out.
Trent has an uncanny ability to pull the mask off Destiny. He's gotten him to admit that he has no inherent ethical objections to
(1) creating brain dead children to be used for SA
(2) animated CP
(3) having sex with animals
(4) Incest if your sister is hot enough
Is this your Philosopher king? 😂
Trent definitely gets the better of Destiny.
Right?! And what pisses me off is Destiny is all about “the data” to prove his points. But when it goes against his position he just tries to rationalize it away. He says he’s all about following what “the science” is and what “the statistics” are to define morality but only when it’s in his favor. This is the third debate I’ve seen where he just tries to pull semantics or red herrings to divert from harmful information. If you watch the full debate he tries to argue with Layla that her friend who was a sex worker and turned his life around didn’t have 30 friends commit suicide or die from drugs. He tried to argue that he had actually lived a better life than being a crack addict by being a sex worker. Completely disregarding and disrespecting Layla’s friend. Just because it “seemed unreasonable” to Destiny. He doesn’t believe in science he believes in scientism. And he thinks he can rationalize himself out of a box. But he just rationalizes himself into a corner. With the aforementioned hot takes.
@@jonathanfairchild yep, he's entirely inconsistent. I can put forward a pretty compelling case that Homosexuality is wrong based on the harm reduction strategy, but he would never concede that because his true god is his own desire and pleasure and anything that inhibits that for people is toxic to him
Makes sense; Destiny is a brain dead addict with no real beliefs beyond fulfilling his hedonistic desires. He is a zombie.
@@PharaohsNews even if i think Trent got the better of destiny in debate, Destiny tries to be honest in most of his debates and get to thr truth. This debate being moral, it's harder for him to reach the same conclusion
Calling sex work "pornography and prostitution" is actually a great reframing. It's more specific, plus it prevents tautological platitudes from being used to improve optics ("sex work is work")
Pornography and prostitution are the same. They are both the practice of offering sex for money.
@@Klee99zeno I agree with you but the common parlance makes a distinction, and I think it functionally makes sense to make that distinction here as well.
I am rooting for the Indianapolis Colts
I think we should talk to people about this so they give serious thought to it. Once we see that selling your body through porn imagery is not so different, then it will clarify the issue
@@Klee99zeno How do you have sex with a photograph? Braindead moron.
Im not a practicing Catholic, but i find Trents content to be awesome. Especially him holding Destiny's and Jazmen's collective feet to the fire. Hes really good at letting them dig their own proverbial graves.
I encourage you to open up to going to confession, being forgiven, and practicing again Matt! Totally agree with your comment though : )
@@nicolasramirez3944 Sometimes such blunt approaches can be negative although they can make you feel good.
Brother, have a look at the Tridentine or Traditional mass in Latin. It's one of the things that made me come back, now I wake up half an hour earlier to pray my rosary daily. God Bless and prayers for you!
Hi, Jazmin! Psychotherapist here. Let me clarify your incredible confusion. I’ve worked with children, adolescents, and adults for 15 years. I have never met someone who watches porn or engages in casual sex that DOESN’T have problems with intimacy. I’ve worked with perhaps hundreds of men who want healthy sexual relationships with their partner, and porn has robbed them of that. I’ve worked with dozens of women who have been significantly damaged by hook-up culture and porn expectations. This lifestyle ONLY leads to dysfunction and disorder. Period.
*Edit: And I’ll add that people will justify and defend these behaviors (as y’all have on the @whatever podcast), sometimes for years, before coming to realize the harm they have caused for their relationships and in their life. Regardless of how long it takes or even whether someone finally accepts it, watching porn and having casual sex is damaging 100% of the time to 100% of people. 🤷🏻♂️ And any research you point to for justifying that it’s okay is just nonsense and wishful thinking. You can twist the data and the research methods/design to say virtually anything you want.
thats probably because your a psychotherapist. of course you’ve only met people who have problems with intimacy your not dealing the the “healthy” population on a normal basis.
wow your so scientific with your scientific figures based on conviction. i love that scientific method of feeling something really hard so you know that all research against you is flawed some how
@@allisonvieira5909 You're = you are. Your is possessive. You Yanks need to learn this in school.
The point is not that everyone has a problem with intimacy, it's that of those people who have problems with intimacy, in that clinician's experience, everyone had porn/casual sex issues. The original poster at least has some empirical data, you on the other hand are dismissive but present no counter evidence except merely to say that maybe the original poster is biased in only seeing unwell people. There is no proof that this bias is actually relevant.
@@peterc.1419 there is no empirical evidence in the post, its the opposite of empirical if something is only from your experience. you'd have to run an experiment to have empirical evidence. this commenter just thinks that everyone should trust their view. i will reiterate, if you only see unwell people, as physiotherapists do, then of course your only going to be expose to people with unhealthy relationships as it related to porn. maybe instead of focusing on typos you could look up scientific bias and maybe learn how to argue. I don't need to bring up evidence to notice that someone is biased. that only requires logic.
@@allisonvieira5909Psychotherapist deal with both dysfunction and how to address dysfunction. Your argument is like telling a cardiologist who says to limit your sugar intake because it's bad for your cardiac health that they have no idea what they are talking about because most of their regular patients have cardiac problems.
This is an example of how you can argue yourself into hell.
"That's completely different!" is the Subjectivist's/ Relativist's universal admission that they've lost the argument.
Destiny defending having sex with animals in this debate is priceless. Debate over, this is going to be another one of the results from their world view that most people are going to hear and realize how wrong they are. The transgender arguments are such a huge win for conservatives because even people who don’t think deeply or even care about a lot of this stuff notice how obviously untrue and weird it is. The average person who may not have strong views one way of other will hear Destiny defend having sex with animals and just know that’s crazy.
That’s the perfect highlight to show to the world as proof what his world view leads to.
And yet likely before the day is done you’ll get some respondents who defend the beastiality and pedofilia takes. 🤮
A little too much hopium. At the end of the day you would have to go to someone and tell them that their choice and decision to identify and transition is wrong. However “individual autonomy” and personal choice have been for the most part considered a sacred moral in modern society for a while.
@@doodguytheblank2403 One can hold that we have autonomy and choice without concluding that therefore anything we choose to do with our autonomy is good. Transition can never be good because it is predicated on a lie.
Yeah, that's where relativism leads...it's the definition of a slippery slope because there is no objective boundary. What's interesting is even not Christians(or theists in general) would largely say having sex with animals is bad, but may struggle with why. If we're all just different animals, why not.
The souls/conscience God gave to mankind is so powerful, even those who would curse his name are still heavily swayed by it.
@@doodguytheblank2403 I don't think it would be that difficult, because otherwise you would have to allow people identifying as different age groups, races, societal titles, or a different species which will fundamentally cause the downfall of society.
That she thought the "you won't have sex with your spouse in front of your kids" argument supported her position is insane to a hilarious degree.
The Mike Tyson comment genuinely had me laughing.
That said wonderful job this debate. You and Lila getting Jasmine and Destiny to admit to supporting the horrors that come about when consent reigns supreme. That alone would win over folks who are in the middle of this issue
What did Mike Tyson commented ?
@@JoseCruz-sm3edat one point in the debate Trent was talking about the terrible conditions of po**n stars. When talking about that he said something like “I’d rather be punched in the face by Mike Tyson than go through that.”
It won't, because nobody cares about logic.
What about amature porn? I done that and both of us wanted to film it....
It's sad to see what happened to Destiny. Defending the lifestyle that probably caused his marriage's downfall whether he knew it there or not. I pray he can come back to the faith.
You think it’s sad? I think it’s well deserved. He refuses to repent for his sin and pushes porn and sexual dysfunction on his young audience. He gets no sympathy from me.
@@td0713 I think it's sad even if he does deserve it. I hope this situation can lead him to Christ in some way. God is willing to forgive anyone.
@@LucasJKeyThis is my main qualm with Christianity: its globalist nature. This idea that someone can pretend to repent and you accept them as your brother in Christ as they molest your children. Africans who eat each other? Brothers in Christ. Jews who reject Jesus, judeo-Christian brothers in Christ. The list goes on.
Prove it probably caused his marriage's downfall.
@@Eliza-rg4vw Let me get my detailed paper on the inner workings of Destiny's marriage from detailed first-hand experience. You are allowed to hold your breath while you wait.
Destiny is defending having multiple partners, while at the same time just announcing he is divorcing his wife whom he is in a polygamous relationship with 🤔
He has first hand knowledge sharing partners does not work and is not healthy, yet he still pushes this idealogy onto other people.
The choking this is concerning. It's so disturbing to me that porn has so many young people conditioned to find sexual violence arousing. My own sexuality was so damaged by that for years.
35:10 is actually insane. Destiny and that woman saying beastiality ISN'T worse than eating an animal. It wasn't too bad until then... after that however, it's game over.
At least they are honest about the absurd conclusions of their views
@@Forester-And Trent/Lila aren’t? Honesty is a poor excuse for trash views.
@@bookishbrendan8875you have no moral standard
@@redvelvet9215 My standard is the natural law. Destiny’s standard is himself.
@@bookishbrendan8875 I didn't say it was an excuse for trash views. I'd just rather them accept those trash views than pretend that their perspective doesn't lead to them like Sam Harris and others who try to construct a moral framework that ultimately makes no sense just because they don't want to accept the consequences of their fundamental beliefs.
what an insane clown world we live in. keep up the good work Trent. God bless!
Porn ruined my marriage. It escalates and what is looked at gets worse and worse.
Im a simple guy. Trent uploads and im instantly happy and closer to God! Thank you for your amazing work Trent!
Trent Horn just said the phrase: “Dog eating peanut butter off a v*gina.” Mind 100% blown.
The host's reaction was hilarious and relatable 😂
Right?! My immediate reaction 🙉🙈🤮
32:27 “Sounds like Harvey Weinstein should have just been more forthright.”
“Yes, unironically yes!”
Game over for Destiny. I can’t believe he pretends like he was the good guy after saying that. Lord have mercy.
"Problematic porn use" that is truly laughable. In truth all porn use is problematic and harmful, You only have to look at the large amount of porn addicted young guys in society today. Instead of being productive and proactively searching for a wife, most young guys have been wasting away masterbating to porn and getting stuck in the gratification feedback. This is all made to be maliciously intentional by the porn and sex industry. Us as a society really needs to wake up.
I guess some (attractive) guys get practical sex and other (unattractive) guys set visual sex. Both get sexual gratification in different ways and both use women as sex objects. So both acts should be condemned.
@viodsa I completely agree. That's why sex needs to stay sacred to marriage. This is the only message and teaching we should be showing to people. People should be encouraged to find spouses, not sexual partners. Unfortunately we live in a world that actively encourages the opposite with stuff like mass production of contraception, abortion and sex work. All of this clearly adds up to show a clear message that the modern world wants us to see "Sex is casual"
Maybe if you want people to only get a sexual outlet with marriage, ban shitty divorce courts.
Trent you killed this debate! Glad you're on the team.
Destiny was so desperate that he started to think on a way to justify Weinstein and justify bestiality against hunting
To be fair, he didn't justify Weinstein, but said if he had been more upfront it would have been "better." Which is stupid as well, but figured it was good to clear up his position even if it is the most absurd thing I've ever seen.
Here's the problem Destiny has: Instead of building a moral framework around moral principles that are obvious, such as "You ought not engage in sexual acts with animals" or "You ought not have incestual sex," he instead creates a moral framework that is less obvious, but is more consistent with atheism, and then only judges acts based on that framework. It's reasoning from the less obvious rather than the more obvious. Everything is beholden to his moral framework even when the answer is absurd. But in the end, he's an outspoken moral nihilist about objective values and duties. So in his view, there is no objective standard for anything, including nonconsensual sex. It's only a convention that you may or may not pay a social price for violating. When you reduce it to that, it's no surprise that you get absurd conclusions.
why can you murder an animal but not have sex with them? Clearly killing them is far worse for the animal. The problem is destiny's morality is based on logic and religious morality is based on what someone told you is right, don't think about it, don't question it, just follow.
@@slain4ever even without religion you could go on the law of nature and it would still rule out that a murder isn’t as bad as having sex with an animal
@@slain4ever my answer is beastiality is obviously wrong and killing animals doesn’t seem to be as wrong. To clarify, our disagreement is because you’re assuming the only moral principle at play is harm to the animal. I don’t see why that ought to be. I don’t think the animal is harmed hardly at all. But we ought not have sex with animals because it’s perverse and disordered. I know your worldview probably doesn’t have a category for sexual ethics like that. And that’s the problem with it. We ought to build our moral framework around those obvious principles. Fucking animals is a sickening abomination. I’m assuming you don’t have kids. But I would ask you, would you rather your daughter go hunting with her grandpa, or have her and her grandpa go out fucking goats?
When you say he uses logic, can you clarify what you mean? Your question makes me think you don’t know what the laws of logic are, because I don’t see how that applies.
@@patricklewis9787 How do you figure? In nature plenty of animals have sex with other species. Plenty of animals rape or kill without intending to eat them, so are you saying rape and murder is ok?
@@davidr1620 You are just saying "obviously wrong", "doesn't seem to be as wrong". WHY is that? Why do you think that? Those are just your feelings. You have no reasoning backing it and tbh I don't even think that you believe them.
My logic is something like life is good because I enjoy being alive, good things happen that I enjoy. Sometimes bad things happen but overall it's a good experience, I would rather live and die than never have lived. even if bad things happen, more good things can happen if you stay alive, so it's always better to live.
That's why if I had to be raped or killed, I would choose to be raped. because even though it's terrible it allows me to continue living and experience other things that are good and that I enjoy. If I get killed then it's just all over. The stats seem to agree with me since 13% of women who are raped attempt suicide (I couldn't find the number of actual sucides but it must be less than 13 which is already a fairly low number for this point). If rape was worse you would see a much higher number of suicides.
This is pretty clear if you think about it. For example: if you were put in the body of a dog, would you rather be killed and eaten or would you rather lick peanut butter out of a vag? and that's not even as bad as being penetrated, but is the example trent was using.
The sweet, sweet irony of all this is Destiny's wife recently leaving him after having an "open relationship" with him. The timing couldnt be any better.
Trent: Are children harmed when they view p*rnography?
"🤓👇🏻 uhhh.. the research is kinda.. Ermm.."
You and Lila did a fantastic job. Jazmin failed to make a coherent argument the entire three hours. She brought a lot of data but wasn’t able to connect that to the question of the debate. Your philosophical arguments were really strong. Destiny is really smart and did a good job of poking little holes but you offered great counter scenarios and I found your argument to be much more convincing. And Lila did amazing at keeping the conversation grounded in reality and reminding the audience how untenable the opposing view is. Great job, praise God!
i'm really impressed by how Trent could just pick data and case studies from memory, while Jazmin had to flip through her thick pile of printouts. the guy must have endless Gigabytes of memory in his brain.
She had 2 really big arguments that I found quite compelling
@@Judge_Jejbrother focus
As someone who left RCC for EOC, I used to have some issues watching Catholic content. I was being a little wuss. Forgive me for that.
We might not be in Communion, but you're out here living for Christ and I really believe that you have strong conviction. Thanks for getting out there instead of just sitting in a chair and dumping on Orthodoxy. THIS is the stuff that is important and we need to work together on. God Bless you brother
Doesn't the Catholic Church consider itself to be in communion with the Orthodox but not the other way around?
Excellent job Trent and Lila!
Saddest part of the debate was after hearing much of Destiny's and Jazmen's defense, to think many in our society think the same or in a very similar way. Appreciate Trent and Lila reaching out to those that need to hear about our human dignity and worth, and realize it isn't just religious taboo, but a clear, logical position.
Woman who is 13... this is how sexual predators describe their underage victims... ask any profiler.
I’ve watched a lot of destiny debates. He really likes to bring up intense analogies and debate on these and he usually loses most people on these and you are the only person I’ve seen that will follow his analogies and deal with them as well as bringing up your own long and intense analogies. It’s good to see you keep up and not lose your head. When he gets to a point where he got in this debate and in the last debate will definitely show people how different sex is than most work as well as how abhorrent abortion is.
Destiny complains that 50% of marriages end but fails to mention that marriages are failing at a higher rate now than when marriage was based in virtue and a more virtue filled society.
36:08 - Trent calling Destiny insane is the most cathartic part of this debate, because it's completely true and not said nearly enough.
"There was an issue of immodesty of dress for one of the participants." Look, it's bad no matter who does it, but let's look at the bright side: at least it wasn't Trent.
Hard to take that woman seriously when she's dressed like that for a debate.
Inappropriate, but I still tried to listen what she had to say. Seemed like most of her arguments were just overly emotional defensiveness of her own choices, like she was torn within, wrestling over the subject.
@@MidnightIsolde That just about sums up 90% of the girls on the Whatever Podcast.
@@MidnightIsolde Because that is exactly what is happening. SHe is suffering and trying to convince herself and others that she is happy, same with destiny. The difference is that both are hell bent on harming others in the process. They are objectively evil.
Hard to take seriously someone who is incapable of logic.
The imodesty was just a plot to distract Trent. Failed.
I didn't find her dressed immodestly and I agree with the anti porn/prostitution side. She has large breasts that's all.
Trent! This was tough to listen to. Always awesome to see your debates.
Thank you Trent and Lila for having the strength to have these tough conversations, it is not easy. I’m 15 mins in and my head is spinning and I’m in awe on how far gone we have gotten on these topics.
God bless you Trent, thank you for talking about this. These henious acts are infecting society, especially young men. Pray for all those suffering through these things, including myself. God bless you all.
We need to stop using the term “sex work.” That’s not a thing. It’s prostitution. Women on only fans are prostitutes. We can still pray for them and be charitable, but we can’t adopt their deceptive language and expect things to change
I see the term "e-whore" appropriate as well.
I was shocked at the things Trent and Lila's opponents said in the debate while presuming to be morally superior to them. The offense that angered me the most was oddly not the morally depraved things they were defending (which goes to show the truth in G.K. Chesterton's observation that opponents of Christianity will fling away humanity if only they may attack the Church), but the grievous acts of committing informal logical fallacies against Trent and Lila while daring to gaslight them into thinking that the breaking of the rules of debate (i.e., don't commit logical fallacies) was occurring and falsely accusing Trent and Lila of committing the fallacies when Trent and Lila (and sometimes the host moderator) called them out on it. So many genetic fallacies and straw man fallacies were uttered that more than ever when I watch Trent's videos, I was relying on him to remind me what the discussion was in the first place. Great job in the debate, Trent and Lila, and for keeping your calm when the fallacies were committed against you.
Beautifully articulated, Trent, as usual.
I do want to add a distinction here on the selling of plasma that most people likely don’t realize. Right now, in the United States, any plasma that has been collected in exchange for money cannot be given directly to a patient in a hospital bed. Plasma collected in these plasma centres is actually sold to vendors in order to produce and sell reagent material for laboratories or gets purchased by a research team. The free will donation you make at your blood bank is the only collection that can be given to a patient in need. I’d be interested in your thoughts on this. Knowing that these paid-for donations go to companies who will repackage and sell at a markup makes me believe more so that these services are exploitation as you inferred.
Watched live and you guys did so great! I think you truly will change minds and behavior with this debate. Thank you so much, this is so important.
"You can't understand because you're religious." wow, what a great argument. :D
Trent, I’ve been watching a ton of your content since I discovered you a few months ago. I love the way you handle yourself in your rebuttals and discussions with others. You’ve inspired me to learn more about the Catholic faith and helped me to be a better person. God bless you, your family, and all your efforts to share the Word of God
Can’t believe we are debating this! Great job presenting the truth.
I would give anything to not have a past of such depravity and impurity.
I wish I could say sorry to all of the countless souls that I hurt while living such a wicked life. Most especially to Lauren Scott, who is a former porn worker that died in 2021 from an overdose, I helped to hurt her by looking up her videos so often for years and years.
May God have mercy on us. I only share this so that you can pray for poor Lauren, may she rest in peace with Jesus and Mary forever, she's suffered enough.
Our culture is depraved and we've been hurt by it. The onus is on us now to try our best to bring God's love to others and move forward to create a better society where this isn't perpetuated.
Does Lauren not take a little responsibility for that overdose though?
@@g07denslicer we all have responsibility to our own sins.... shouldn't stop you from praying for her or any other sinner after (or before) they die.
God forgives. Forgive yourself through confession.
37:40 I don't think I've ever seen Trent laugh as hard as he does here
He couldn't help but obviously chuckle at the absurd scenario Lol
Wow... That was a wild ride. Thank you Trent and Lila for tackling this in a well reasoned, well researched, congenial way. While it is greatly troubling to me that our society is in a place where these conversations are being had, I'm grateful that we can have people like you to sit at the table.
Watching Jazmen and Destiny in this debate to me was like watching two people trying to make hedonism their identity but having an internal conflict where reason and intuition acts as a wall and they're trying to find ways to push the boundary, but from their position why are they trying so hard to not walk around the wall? They throw jabs at Trent and Lila for being religious, which I can only guess is because religious people try to enforce standards in which they don't agree, but if nothing ultimately matters, this generation will be dead in 100 years, and the planet will end at some point, why do they even bother caring about the protection of children in this context? Even someone like Lana Rhoades will come out and say that she regretted her career and the slippery slope of actions she had to endure because people wanted to make money off of her, and she felt so much pressure that she couldn't find it in herself to say no. Then everyone on social media makes jokes about her kids one day seeing her work, which is the reality we live in. So it seems like the OnlyFans sex worker likes the idea of making a lot of money for easy work and pleasure, but then they'll say "it's unfortunate that kids are able to have access to this explicit stuff, I wish they didn't have access" even though they are a cog advancing the machine of misfortune. Like with Lana Rhoades' case, it seems that sex work can often become a slippery slope where things become too vanilla and consumers demand more extremity, which not only dehumanizes these women like Trent was saying but we find that a lot of the time that serial killers and rapists are the ones consuming this type of extreme content when it reaches that point.
Mad respect for you, Trent. You always do an amazing job debating!
Trent breaking when destiny asked about hunting an animal with a spear or a d*ck is is not what I expected going into this video
Destiny: I object to putting a bullet in an animal…
… But I don’t object to putting *myself* in an animal. 🥴
Thought it was funny
Dang. How did Destiny not see the point Trent was making at around 16:00? He even tried to dismiss Trent’s example outright. Good on Trent for pushing back on that point and making it clear how prostitution (and sex work at large) is bad for society.
He saw it....he is just dishonest. He pretended.
I kinda agree with Destiny on that point though. It's only bad if trafficking is _necessary result_ of the law. Alcohol legalization _causes_ an increase in car accidents. That's not disputable. But it's an indirect result, not a necessary result.
Trent's point would be stronger if he treated it like a cost/benefit analysis because then you can focus on how prostitution has no upside that warrants this negative effect
Because he is intellectually dishonest. He doesn't care about truth, he cares about pushing his own degenerative narrative in whatever way possible.
Why people even know of him or put attention to him, that's something I just can't understand, The guy is clearly a fool; a popular fool, sadly, but just a fool nonetheless.
@@sivad1025A result is a result, though. Unintended or not, it is there, hence it is _the result_ [duh!]
@@GranMaese I never said anything to the contrary. Do you think alcohol should be completely outlawed because increased driving deaths is a direct result of legal alcohol?
Lila and you did a great job. It showed reducing morals and ethical debate to statistics is a real problem, because as Jazmen stated, science is no more impartial and studies contradict each other. Destiny's strategy (sophism) as always is to always bring unapproriate comparisions. Tough to discuss morality when your opponent does not believe in basic morals.
Ps: I love when you went hard on Destiny after he claiming because you're religious you couldn't get what he was saying strange things.
Thanks You! God bless you and Lila !
Great work, but please reupload a visually censored version, not even joking.
Bro FR. Posting those boobs in this channel is wrong. Some of us struggle with lust, come on Trent, take this down
Destiny feels bad for not being a vegan, but doesn't feel bad about any other of her behaviors.
Hate to have to tell you that "Destiny" is the guy's name 😆
It’s hard to believe, but the one with the stripper name is the guy
Catholics these people need prayer.
Yes could you imagine the conversion story. Epic
I just LOVE "Righteous Anger Trent". So rare but so great to see, when needs must. Perhaps we need to see just a little bit more of this from you from time to time, Trent, as the culture wars get even more heated... God Bless you, sir - and of course Lila, who did a great job too - from the UK. Great debate indeed (I could say more but I shall leave it at that).
Trent Horn is the Socratic method wizard
The pornstar pretty much held the position that *simulated* pedofilia is morally good insofar as it potentially reduces real instances of pedofilia, and that beastiality *would be* morally permissible if animals could consent. That alone should be enough to reveal what such a worldview leads to. That you’d rather have sex with a dog than kill it, then advocate for mothers killing off their own progeny is wild to me. Sure, let’s save the dogs but kill off our own kind in our wombs. Nice.
Honestly, why they try to root it in consent alone is beyond me. Consent is a necessary condition for any act involving more than one party, but it isn’t a sufficient one. People could consent to pretty much anything; it doesn’t follow that *anything* is therefore good on account of said consent. A sadomasochist and a masochist could consent to violent sex because they both desire it-but I’d maintain that violent sex is bad in itself, and remains so whether consented to or not. For this simple reason: the morality of any act is not determined by our *willing* it, but by whether what we will leads to our *flourishing* given the kind of beings we are. Right reason *directs* the will to real goods. Desire doesn’t make an act good. Nor does consent. Its goodness is contingent on whether or not it fulfills your human nature.
I'll never take a "pro-choice" feminist who is vegan because "animal cruelty" seriously. It's just impossible.
Interesting when they imply that only religious people oppose pornography. That isn’t true. This reminds me of Christopher Hitchens when he was debating against abortion.
You both did amazing. Great job!
I haven’t got a chance to watch the episode yet, but I’m kinda excited to hear both sides of the argument.
Have you ever thought about interviewing Shamus Coughlin from freedomtoons? He’s in more of the political side of UA-cam, but he’s a devout Catholic and it might be interesting to hear a convo between the two of you.
Came over from the Micheal Knowles show.
What a world we live in... Great Job, Trent and Lila!
Time is precious. highlights and comments help
Trent, you have the most accessible apologetics content out there right now. Thank you for your work in expanding the audiences hearing true catholic positions.
Trent, this was truly amazing on your part! I think your aggression was surprising but very welcome and you should incorporate it more into your toolkit. I wouldn’t like to see it become the default as I believe your current style is more effective and reasonable, however, there are certain cases where it is needed, such as against Destiny who will overpower you optically if you let him. I’m actually a huge fan of Destiny as well, and I have seen this happen many times over. Will you be reviewing the debate or are you content to let it speak for itself? I truly enjoyed how you reviewed the last debate with Destiny
To be consistent they have to believe that sex is acceptable with dead animals or dead human beings because of their "no harm" principle.
You could make the appeal that sex with dead people harms the doer in that instance so it’s still impermissible
Great debate! The end got pretty unhinged on both sides which surprised and worried me for a bit until I realized the original debate was 3 HOURS which to me just points out how poorly formated this debate was
Great job!
oof, trent said open relationship fail, yes, destiny surely knows that well
Claiming to be wise, they've become fools. 😞
Great work !
Hey Trent! I’m so happy you’re doing work like this. You’re helping the Church and you’re helping the world.
Please consider reposting this video after covering the woman’s chest. I’m not going to watch this video, and I hope many other people agree not to watch it, because of the immodestly displayed. This can be extremely tempting for any man, especially a man who struggles with these types of temptations. I’m sure you can get someone to edit this video, it’s worth it if it’s worth saving someone from temptation and possibly sin.
I hope you see this. God bless you for doing this type of work.
I’m now hearing the part where you give a warning, listening on the Apple podcast app. I’m so happy to hear it from you. Please still consider editing this UA-cam video. Your channel is a beacon of light for Catholics across the world, please don’t ever share something that could be so easily tempting in a video of yours. Just blur it or something.
God bless you Trent. Keep it up.
Lila Rose was the biggest disappointment in this debate. I love her work, she is an incredible human being. But oh my goodness was she constantly cutting off the other guests (and Trent) and half of the time just making fairly poor arguments, and straw manning her interlocutors. Very disappointed.
She is better with discussions and representing the faith than debating
Tent, you and @LilaRose did a great job! Thank you!
Trent, I remember when you did your first debate with Destiny about abortion and you clearly won. One of the main reasons why is because you kept your cool the whole time which led you to have a more calm and wise and unclouded mind. Don't let him get to you by attacking you with his whole "you religious people" poke.
This was wild in light of the news regarding Destiny.
Thanks for the video, Trent!
News? Please i hope its nothing too bad
@@larryjake7783 Thankfully, his health's fine. However, he did recently end up having to divorce his wife after she went for another guy. And as I understand it, Destiny's been fine with having an open relationship.
Hopefully he gets over this someday.
@@journeytoform An “open relationship” is a contradiction in terms lol
@@journeytoform oh wow that's definitely unfortunate, but I am a little surprised he's taking it hard, I honestly didn't think this is something that would effect him. Nonetheless, unfortunate.
@@bookishbrendan8875 People will try to cope using linguistic shifts to justify whatever form of "liberation" they want to fashion their lives into, unfortunately. :)
Very very funny take from Destiny defending polyamory when his wife that he pareded all over the internet already leave him and are having a divorce
Is this how depraved our culture has become, where a woman actually thinks that young children viewing any porn, much less choking porn is ok? 😱
That was wild. How much do you have to ignore your conscience to think like that?
Oh my gosh. I’m a young Catholic mom and all I can think is “boobs”. That girl literally is just a giant boob to me. I’m so sorry to the guys and gals who can’t pay attention or honestly take her seriously because of this. I barely can lol. I hate that reality but it’s the truth.😅😟😟
28:47 Destiny's face when his partner gets absolutely destroyed by Trent's example haha.
Great job Trent and Lila. God bless you both and thanks for the work you do ☦️
Praise the Lord that Trent said "You're an insane person!" When they reach conclusions as heinous as that, they deserve be told straight-up that they're lunatics.