I don't expect the i7-9700K to be a bargain, but I'm wondering how it stacks up to the modern stuff, as someone looking to upgrade from let's say an i3-8100 or i5-8400.
I'm still on 3700x and I can't imagine upgrading it since it's been running so well for most of my application, which is non-gaming. It's the best CPU I've ever owned.
I went from a 2700X to a 5900X, gaming I noticed no difference, multi-tasking, the 5900X is a beast, so if you don't rip movies, download movies, burn movies to bluray while playing a game, you're good for a long time.
Ryzen 3600 are readily going for £60 here in the UK, but I've seen 2 or 3 go for £40, I picked a couple up myself, also a 3700X for £70 in the summer. Still decent CPU for budget builds if the price is right. These are what I consider baseline performance these days.
yes, baselines, theres a dude that covers Star Citizen, and tested several bummy cpus, he shows that either the i7 8700 or 3600 is the absolute minimum, and from that baselines you can go from there up
@@NamTran-xc2ip3070 itself not really capable of consistent 4k@60, 8gb and GPU performance is more like 1440p@60 or 1080@144, but weak CPU like 3700x can become a bottleneck on some CPU-intensive titles in 1080. Still ok CPU for cheap setups with a decent upgrade path to 5800x3d.
I've been runnin' my 3700x pc since 2020 and whew!!!! it's been awesome. Still fast enough to do production work and play games at a decent level. I've paired it with a 6700 xt.
My 3700X was well binned & purchased early 2021 & has always been well cooled I put it in a 2nd build because it's to good for the price I would have got for it. The 5800X3D I replaced it with gives me a 22% gain.
Been debating the same move to replace mine with an 5800X3D, though I don't know if I will gain that much considering I have an thin ITX build and most certainly will need to throw it into Eco mode to keep it cool.
@@tonicipriani You will need a good air cooler & undervolt it in the BIOS settings, but saying that I only upgraded to get the last out of the AM4 socket. The 3700X is a gem that will serve you for years if you don't feel the need to upgrade.
Same here. Replaced it with a 5800x3D. All Components are here. Starting the Build this Week. Had the 3700x, RAM, PSU and RTX2070 Super from my 2020 Build over and why throw it away?
Rocking a 3700X + RTX 2060S for 1080p since 2019. To this day it's still awesome for all online high FPS games and most AAA games. For people on the budget under $600USD, if you can find this combo, or similar performing parts (Ryzen 5600, RX 6600/XT, RTX 3060) used, it's probably all you need.
The Ryzen 3700X is still a great CPU, and definitely capable of holding it's own in the current gaming environment. Heck, the 5700X can be currently had for about $190 USD new, which honestly may be the new sweet spot for price/performance...
Zen 3 has been terrific. 5600X on launch day, got the 5700X a year ago and was even more impressed. It runs so cool you'd think it has an AIO cooler installed.
Had a 3700X running in my daughter's rig for 2 years now, after upgrading from a R5 3600. With a RTX 2060, it plays everything she cares about at 1080p quite well.
@@HenrySomeone I think we're talking more budget/value oriented builds here... it's easy to turn a $1000 build into a $1500 build by just levelling up the odd component here or there - which some people just don't have.
R7 3700X user here, pairing it with an RTX 4070 Ti. No sign of aging yet, still runs everything on 1440p no problem including Phantom Liberty with path tracing on + DLSS Quality.
Hello tyc bro. I upgraded my i5 9400f to a used ryzen 3700x. Paid $75 for cpu only and $110 for a b550 motherboard. Ran my ram just fine at 3600mhz New motherboard pricing is dumb 😾. Wanted to ask, is it normal for this cpu to run at 25watts at idle and to never go below it's base clock even at idle? My i5 used to idle at 6 watts.
I just picked up a 5600x with one broken pin for $40 on eBay. The pin dealt with memory, mainly only one channel worked. I replaced the the pin and have dual channel running again.. I paired it with 32gb 3200 ram and a 12gb 3060. This is still a pretty powerful combo for 1440p and I already have a buyer for the system
@@LPgmxDan I have a hot air/soldering station. I have been doing board level repairs for years. I recently had to repair traces coming from a CPU socket to the ram slots because they had been broken and the first 2 ram slots didn't work. It's all about patience and practice. And steady hands lol
@@LPgmxDan the pins in an AMD CPU have a small base in them. Kind of like a tee for tee-ball. You have to desolder the old base and solder a new pin in it's place. I believe jays2cents has a video as does ltt. Northridge fix has a few videos showing the process also. For the trace repair I used .01mm wire and soldered it to each side of the trace to repair the break. I have done actual pin repair in an Intel socket but it was a pain and it was just to prove to myself that I could do it.
Picked on up for 60€ today, paired with a RX 5700XT and very impressed with the performance. Corsair 3600Mhz ram also worked fine out of the box, on a X470 Asus board.
When Zen 2 dropped I remember there being a lot of talk about how the memory speeds and tuning were a huge factor with those chips, but just months later almost every forum was suggesting 3200 mhz @ cl16, because tighter latency on 3600+mhz was quite expensive at the time. It looks like 3200 was just the right recommend either way lol.
@@explorepixels1792 iirc with Zen 2, the difference between the two was pretty negligible. There was a lot of data on this in one of Anthony's videos on LTT, and of course GN did a bunch of testing. They found some sweet spots around 4000mhz and like 3600 cl16, but at the end of the day, you'll be looking at a few percent difference at most. I would go with what fits best in the budget. 3200mhz is very well priced these days.
@@explorepixels1792Honestly, for the money it can go either way. Both have come WAY down in price, easily had for less than $40 for 16gb, and the performance difference is honestly negligible.
Never had a problem with running 3600Mhz on 3700X on 2 different systems. Both have an X570 mobo though. Running 2x16Gb Gskill Ripjaws on one and 2x16Gb Corsair vengence on the other. I am looking to get me a 5700X though. Juicy upgrade😁
I also had a 3700x on a x570 tuf paired with 3600mhz c16 ballistix running smoothly from the first start, so is not the the cpu that has problem to run the 3600mhz memory.
Running a 3800x in my system with a 3600 kit, never had an issue i have pushed it to 3800 also but did not like the high voltage. This all said my brother has a 3700x and a 3200kit and the performance is basically the same as my 3800x system its a few fps at most difference. I will probably do the 5800x3d upgrade in a year or so when they are super cheap. The 3800x is still very solid.
I always delight in knowing that I snagged a Ryzen 9 5950X for 160.00 with shipping Via an Ebay seller who listed it as defective (Boot Loop). I got the chip and installed it, it boot looped when I powered it on. I went into bios, adjusted two settings and the system booted to Windows. Chip works perfectly to this day.
I still have a 3700x but have a 5800x3d on the way. That being said I got the 3700x back in very early 2020 when it was still top tier. Amazing CPU even to this day holds its own perfectly well. I upgraded my 2060 Super to a 6800XT and its kinda bottlenecking the card a bit but still really good. 4 yrs almost and no issues whatsoever. Love this chip gonna miss it so much when the 5800x3d comes in in a couple of days.
This might not matter as much, but if you're using LLMs as much as I am, cpu power is important. I'm still using a Ryzen 7 3700x, and it's still able to keep up running multiple LLMs. But threadrippers are the premium choice in the future if you're an AMD fan boi like me. Gaming is cool, but seeing what these LLMs can do is really exciting, and my nerd level is over 9000 !
Just ordered all new parts besides my gpu (RX 6700 XT) upgrading from a ryzen 7 2700x to a ryzen 7 7700x, going from 32GB ram @3200mhz to 64GB@5400mhz. I'm very excited for this upgrade
I got a 5600 for a little below 100€ some time ago, and I swapped it for my friend's 3700X (which was actually my old CPU lol), and he was getting slightly better fps in most games, if not the same. So I guess this video works for that one as well. He is getting a 7800XT as well, so pretty much the same as here.
I bought my 3700x new a few years ago it still handles everything quite capably I don't see me upgrading for at least another year and I'll still say with the AM4 platform I'm running this with 64 gigs of ddr4 3200 for the graphics card I'm running a Radion Sapphire RX 6600 and I'm quite happy
Am still able to pick up brand new R5 5600 for under 100 USD locally in SEA, just need the right time for sales & vouchers to line up. I bought a 2nd one for $88 last month.
I've recently built a 500$ gaming PC (3700x, 2070 Super, 32GB ram, 1TB NVME) mostly with used parts and could say the 3700x works really well considering I got it for a little under 100$. I am not sure how long it will stay relevant but for the games and apps I run it works great and very happy with the build.
I put my first PC together just after covid with a used $100 3700X. Still going strong, paired well with a 6650XT. Thinking of a 5700X3d if it drops a bit though.
The driver overhead is a complex topic. But in short answer: AMD has a smaller overhead on DX12 while Nvidia has a smaller overhead in DX11 (I am not sure if RTX 4000 changed a thing). OFC there are some outliers.
I think you should better use 1% lows instead of 0.1% lows since they are too sensible to catch a random stutter that might not even be game related .... see in Cyberpunk the 3700X matching the 7950X3D in 0.1% lows at 1080p but way behind at 1440p, or the 29fps in Apex at 1080p but 185 at 1440p.... also in baldurs gate getting 3 or 13fps in 0.1%s is irrelevant since both mean that the picture basically freezes for a moment.
funny, about two weeks ago i tell a friend that the 3700x is 100 dollar on ali...not a bad cpu for used/mixed setup for cheap gaming. will take one of those too
I couldn't get 3600 on my 3700x, but I managed to lock in 3533mhz CL14 on my Samsung B-die back in the day. I'm now running a 5900x as my primary, but the 3700x lives on in my HTPC with 16gb 3200 C16 and an RTX 4060 which I won on Twitter from Nvidia. The 3700x was a GOAT CPU - amazing all-round performance for the price at the time, and still stands up well today.
@@PaitVideo yes, it's possible, but not all 3000 series can get to 3600 (especially early models) and some struggle to even achieve a fair bit lower. This is where the silicon lottery can affect this CPU generation, whilst most 5000 series can get to 3800 and only very rarely struggle with 3600.
I went to go buy a $40 AM4 motherboard, and the guy had a "broken" 3700x. Turns out it was only like 5-8 bent pins, I'm a pro so i fixed it with the back of a razer blade and BOOM it WORKED! Free 99 is the way to ROLL! Awesome processor and a nice little upgrade from my other free R5 3600! I recently went back to playing on a GTX 980ti instead of my 2070S and besides streaming the card is amazing! 200fps in tons of games at 1080p. Sometimes I forget older hardware doesn't mean OLD, just means older!
I ran my 3700x for a year with the wraith cooler not being properly mounted. Dried up thermal paste and all. Properly mounted the cooler cpu still works great.
The 5700xt + R5 3600x are so cheap and good these days, there's not even a decision to make between any console or a gaming PC. Good times, I feel like it's the best time for budget gaming PC probably ever.
you be surprised, i was checking some of the other channels and if you look at the comments there always a small diehard group of console promoters, you cannot reason with them, they go on about Discs CDs DVDs Performance and on and on, its a waste of time arguing with them, they are hopeless. They rather pay 500 for a console and you have no games with it, u cant add a bunch of free games, they are broke and they are OK with it. Make it make sense? LOL
I'm still running a 3700x with a 3080. I mainly use it for a rendering station in blender and it's absolutely fine. My RAM runs at 3600mhz but i do remeber having issues getting it to clock at that speed in the bios (don't ask me how i did it in the end, i can't remember). Im using a mini itx ROG B450 motherboard. I've considered upgrading to a 5800x but i dont think its worth it for my use case. Also didn't think upgrading to the new platforms for a whole chunk of change would net me significant gains for work.
I have a 3700X in my collection and have tested it with current high end GPU's but yeah I too couldnt get mine to work with 3600mhz memory. I went with 3200mhz didnt try to find the tipping point
I recommend using Crucial's memory with up until Zen+/2000 series, or at least Samsung B-dies, but in most of memory 3200 should work no problem for Zen2. Crucial memory or Corsair Vengence is what I would recommend around 3600. they work good with older Ryzen, and I had some trouble with patriot's memory too. not sure which chip it was using but I had issues, switched to Corsair 2666 and OC'd just set it to 3600 and it just worked.
Been using this since 2020, haven't found a reason to upgrade yet. The fact that you can get this for under $100 and a compatible mobo for just as cheap makes budget builds pretty insane right now imo.
Everything I have heard is do not buy a KF if you want to use an editing software that supports quicksync. Even with a discrete card, the addition of the quicksync from the IGP is worthwhile. Honestly - I am of the opinion just do not buy a KF unless it's a strong discount. I will gladly pay the $20-30 to get the quicksync support and extra troubleshooting feature. Even for streaming, being able to use the quicksync encoder to take all of the load off both the CPU and the GPU can help.
For me Ryzen 5 3600, MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX. 2X8 GB 3600 XMP works perfect but 4x8GB 3600MHZ never worked for me. I think its the Ryzen 3 series CPUs that has a bad memory controller.
With 4 years of continuity, the first to 4th gens of ryzen are amazing at almost any price really. Replaced my r5 1600 from 2017 with a 3700x + wraith prism I got in Germany for 50 euros Also got a 3600 for 40 and 1700 for 20 because at those prices it s a shame not getting them
I'm using a 3700x with 2x16GB@3600Mhz CL16 RAM and a RX 7800 XT and it feels good, very good. Running about everything @1440p. From emulators to Alan Wake 2. The best part is that I paid ~$700 for this and where I live these things are pricy, very pricy.
I in rural Australia, everything needs to be posted.. On Ebay I believe the 6 cores Ryzen second hand are going for just a little to much.. I can get a tray 3600 or a 5500 for around a $150 dollars new but a Second hand 3600 between $100-120. The 3700X are selling around $150 so a better deal, but for gaming isn't any proof 8 cores are better then 6. I ended up buying a 3100 for $50 before posted, that was really a 4100 that still as not been posted, I was email by the seller that said it was a 4100. Around $200 dollars for a 5600 new is what I'm looking at now, that has PCI-E 4.
Great review Brian. I'm running an R7 5700x with an RTX3070, and 32 gig 3200 ram. No issues with my system bottle necking. Gpu is usually around the high 90%'s unutilisation, with the cpu at around 80-90% utilisation. Was thinking about the RX7800XT as an upgrade, but after watching your video, I think I'll wait, as the diff isn't worth the cost of the new card for now. Looking forward to the next video mate.
3700x, asus 2080 ti, x570 tuf gaming m.b, 32 gb g skill 3600 (overclocked). never had any issues, pretty damn good for the time, but she's still holdin up.
I'm still using a R7-3700X on a new MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk. I just installed this motherboard and used my old 3700X for now. It's doing really good. I'm running a MSI RTX3060, 16 G Corsair Vengence RAM at 3600M. I'm really happy, it's a good budget mid-range gaming system. In all honesty, I'm going to upgrade to a R7-5700X when I can, but this is working good for now.
You would see a measured difference, but you may not see a real time difference. I've a Xeon1650V2, 2700X and 5900X. The 2 Ryzens have a real noticeable difference over the Xeon gaming, but not much difference between the 2 Ryzens gaming only...
Popped one of these babies I found for 95 euro's in a 2600 upgrade last weekend, owner had Gskill 3000 hz in the system, enabled XMP and set to 3200, runs flawlessly.
I just bought a combo deal of a 3700X, including a new Wraith Prism cooler, with the pre-applied thermal paste, and an RTX 2070 Super for $280 USD in the U.S. Gonna try and flip it in a budget build.
Did you simply try to reinstall the DIMMs in the other bank of memory on the MB? This was the issue for me. Try bank B as per specs it has higher speeds supported.
I've worked on 2 systems where the memory speeds/stability degraded over time and both times cleaning the dimm slots and ddr4 contacts with alcohol and a toothbrush (gently) would allow me to push the memory speeds higher. These PCs were used by or around people that smoke, though I suspect this could still happen just given a long enough period of time. This could potentially show up more for those who push their ram to the raggedy edge of stability. Anyway, if your system used to be stable (assuming you didn't use crazy voltages) and now it's not, maybe try giving the slots/dimms a clean. Obviously don't do this while plugged in to power and be sure everything is dry before powering the PC back on.
Set the SOC to a SAFE voltage of 1.15 and that should fix the ram issue... I overclock my 3600 kit to 4000mhz with c16 timings by upping SOC to 1.21and a few other tweaks on my Steel Legend B550 board
I've got a 3700X in my system and, if you're going to buy used because you're on an extreme budget, I would say get it. But the Ryzen 5 CPUs have a 30% uplift in gaming. My buddy with a marginally worse video card (6600XT versus my 1080 ti) but with a 5600 consistently gets better frame rates than me in all the games we play. The 3700X is marginally faster in multi-threaded, production-oriented workloads, but neither of us do that. If you have an AM4 motherboard and wanted an upgrade for your gaming PC, and you had more money to spend, I would just get a 5600 or 5600X and call it a day. Personally, I'm planning on eventually getting a 5800X3D and leaving my system alone for a few more years.
Ryzen 3600/3700X and 5600/5700X are all great value products and still very capable CPUs. They all offer great price/performance ratio, especially taking into account a wide range of cheap motherboards. Unlike 5800X3D, which is crazy expensive, even used.
I took advantage of the 3700X prices when they were still "high" (triple digits). Bought a 5800X3D for 319eur brand new a year ago, sold my old 3700X for 120eur, so all in all I paid just 200 euros for a MASSIVE upgrade for gaming
Just paid €80 for a 3700X - an upgrade from an i7 4790K and it's amazing. I couldn't care less about gaming any more, or which GPU works best with it. An Xbox was cheaper than a GPU so I gave up on the PC gaming. I got it for productivity and general desktop use, for which you can't go wrong at the price. Perhaps it's best side (productivity) is worth a mention?
I only had a 3700x for about half a year from late 2022 to like April 2023 cause I found a local seller selling a Ryzen 5700x unboxed for $100 USD, asked him why so cheap and he said cause he was gifted the 5700x & 5800x for his birthday so was getting rid of 5700x for cheap cause he’s not loosing money, so I bought it and sold the 3700x for $80 USD lol, I had just bought an RTX 4070 from an RTX 2080 as well so I wanted a better CPU
Absolutely!!! im using the 3700x theres no point in upgrading it im playing alot of games with only 30% cpu usage. im using crucial ballistix 3600Mhz in asus tuf x570 it runs at that speed
With the Ryzen 5600 regularly on sale for ~$100usd new (albiet with a more basic cooler) or easily $100 used ... It's hard to justify the 3700X at that price. It's a good cpu but it's getting hard to justify a lot of the used CPU prices with new ones so cheap. I'm not seeing a ton of value yet with Ryzen 7000 for flipping but it's not that much more if you did want to go that route. Personally, I'm aiming at
The 3700x is pretty good if you are also doing some content creation on the side. The extra cores also help with VMs and if you are gaming while also using 2 monitors and watching youtube while you are gaming 🤣
I agree, if your here in Chicago go to Microcenter and pickup something new or open box and go from there, makes no sense to do it any other way, especially if your not a pc builder with extra parts at home in case something goes wrong. If you in Indianapolis they just opened a brand new store.
Black Friday Special ASUS TUF B550M-PLUS $129 AUD, then had to get the rest from Ebay, Corsair 2 x 8GB 3200 $32 AUD, SK HYNIX PC801 250GB $20 AUD I think it's the same has the SK HYNIX PLATINUM P41, and I was looking for a 6 core CPU, but priced to high so went with a Ryzen 3 3100 for $50 AUD but hear me out, I really want a 8 core Ryzen 7 5700 or 5800 but I think there's more price reductions to come. Upgrading from a i7-4790 using the same case and tower cooler, I really just wanted something with PCI-E 4 and NVME's. That's my life story, never added up the postage, sound much better without.
I have a ryzen 7 3700x paired with 32gb 3600 ramm and a gtx 1080 FE. Playing hell divers on high settings, the FPS is around 85 with lows of 80. I have a 3090 on its way so time to upgrade cpu eventually 😊
I love how the RAM issue is being blamed solely on the CPU, not on the RAM manufacturers swapping out the chips for whatever is cheapest at the time while keeping the same name/model of the kit. It's why Corsair kits have had a version number on the sticker for 15+ years. if it's different to a stick/kit you already have, chances are they switched suppliers of the memory chips underneath those (entirely unnecessary) heatspreaders, say from Samsung to Hynix or Micron or whatever else, or worse binnings of the same ones. It's also part of the reason why you sometimes get a seemingly 100% identical kit but the subtimings are slightly different (16-19-19-36 vs. 16-20-20-38 for example)
Getting back to the fact that I play way less than in the past and therefore sold my PC: 2700x, B450M-A Plus, 40 GB DDR4 3000mhz cl16 RTX 2070 for 550€ and got a: i5-13500, B760M-ITX WIFI 64GB DDR4 3200Mhz GTX 1060 6GB for 600€ Crazy how much Performance one can get for their money!
I got a 3800x used back in 2022 for $200. 3800x is supposed to be the "Best silicon" version of the 3700x bin, but otherwise pretty much the same in every way. Running on a Tomahawk b450, G.Skill FlareX 3200 CL14 memory, and RTX 3080 10gb. I picked up the 3080 when the prices dropped down to $850 new. Using a 1440p ultrawide monitor so resolutions are between 1440p -> 4K. Can get 75-95 FPS on various titles running many settings at ultra and a few dropped down to high. Here recently been playing Darktide, Robocop, Red Dead Redemption, and Baldur's Gate 3. Mostly I just click the in game recommended settings button and then enable DLSS. Recently I updated my BIOS and didn't realize that XMP got disabled by the update. I played some games and thought my CPU was dying because everything was a bit choppy as CPU load increased. Realized something wasn't right when I saw the cache latency on CPUID was running at CL16. Checked the BIOS and corrected the XMP issue and everything went to buttery smooth. So, the FlareX memory running at the tight CL14 timings smooths gameplay quite a bit.
😃 guys, if you really like that AMD Cooler, i noticed that the new AMD 7700 cpu that cooler is included in the box, all brand new, goes for 300 bucks at Microcenter, yay
Got my 3700x with a asus rog b550-a gaming and phanteks case for 450$aud 2nd hand. For xmp issue i had to do a bios update. I have it paired with a 6800xt red devil which i scored for $300. System runs smooth i get 100fps in most games I play
From my experiences with Zen2 chips, be happy it reached 3333 with that memory. I couldn't get the ones I worked with to do past 3200, even with 3600 memory. It took going up to Zen 3 to get those kinds of speeds. I don't think it's the IMC, but rather than Infinity Fabric speeds that hold it back. Zen1 and Zen+ were even worse, barely able to get to 2933, and then only with the right memory.
I have a 4770k ocd to 4.5ghz with 2400mhz ddr3 ram. Would I see a big upgrade if going with 3700x? 4770k still suprices me with it performance, I have not even thought of upgrading but if I can get 3700x,mobo,ram under 200e, I might go for it.
only had problems with my 7800xt had occasional blackscreens not reproducible , driver timeout etc much problem with second screen with high refreshrate , high idle wattage had send it back to seller and hope to get my money back and buy me a slower and less vram 4070 but STABLE
I just removed my 3600X and gigabyte X570 mobo and 32gig of ram from my Antec P120 case and replacing it with my AM5 platform parts. The 3600X was hardly being utilised, only for minecraft on linux every now and then. My main rig is 5600X on an Asrock X570 mobo with 64gig ram. I also have a 5600G build parts around here as somewhere. [Yes, I'm greedy, I can't help myself 😄]
It's crazy how fast the used market is changing, definitely some huge bargains on CPUs right now! Let me know what CPU you want checked out next!
I don't expect the i7-9700K to be a bargain, but I'm wondering how it stacks up to the modern stuff, as someone looking to upgrade from let's say an i3-8100 or i5-8400.
Please test the 3700x vs. a 6600k or similar CPUs in gaming. Z170s and those 6th and 7th Gen intel's came down in price quite well, too.
the 5950x needs to come down though
Intel Core i9-7900X seems like a bargain, if you can get the motherboard for not a crazy price.
Intel Core i5-11500T, hard to find in stock at a CEX.
I'm still on 3700x and I can't imagine upgrading it since it's been running so well for most of my application, which is non-gaming. It's the best CPU I've ever owned.
Ive got the 5700x and ive got to say, its not that much faster lol
@@adk4986 good to know. i have a 3700x and 1070ti and was thinking gpu needs upgraded first.
I went from a 2700X to a 5900X, gaming I noticed no difference, multi-tasking, the 5900X is a beast, so if you don't rip movies, download movies, burn movies to bluray while playing a game, you're good for a long time.
3700x rocks.
The 5700x not, but the 5700x3d or 5800x3d is much faster. @@adk4986
Even the 7600x is not that much faster than a 3600, 3700x,5600x, 5700x
Ryzen 3600 are readily going for £60 here in the UK, but I've seen 2 or 3 go for £40, I picked a couple up myself, also a 3700X for £70 in the summer. Still decent CPU for budget builds if the price is right. These are what I consider baseline performance these days.
They are perfectly capable of doing 4k60+ with preem tier gpu like the 3070
5600G is £100 on Amazon 🙄
yes, baselines, theres a dude that covers Star Citizen, and tested several bummy cpus, he shows that either the i7 8700 or 3600 is the absolute minimum, and from that baselines you can go from there up
@@NamTran-xc2ip3070 itself not really capable of consistent 4k@60, 8gb and GPU performance is more like 1440p@60 or 1080@144, but weak CPU like 3700x can become a bottleneck on some CPU-intensive titles in 1080. Still ok CPU for cheap setups with a decent upgrade path to 5800x3d.
@@SovietN1nja you dont have to turn everything to the max, not every game but most games
I've been runnin' my 3700x pc since 2020 and whew!!!! it's been awesome. Still fast enough to do production work and play games at a decent level. I've paired it with a 6700 xt.
My 3700X was well binned & purchased early 2021 & has always been well cooled I put it in a 2nd build because it's to good for the price I would have got for it. The 5800X3D I replaced it with gives me a 22% gain.
Been debating the same move to replace mine with an 5800X3D, though I don't know if I will gain that much considering I have an thin ITX build and most certainly will need to throw it into Eco mode to keep it cool.
@@tonicipriani You will need a good air cooler & undervolt it in the BIOS settings, but saying that I only upgraded to get the last out of the AM4 socket. The 3700X is a gem that will serve you for years if you don't feel the need to upgrade.
Same here. Replaced it with a 5800x3D. All Components are here. Starting the Build this Week. Had the 3700x, RAM, PSU and RTX2070 Super from my 2020 Build over and why throw it away?
Rocking a 3700X + RTX 2060S for 1080p since 2019. To this day it's still awesome for all online high FPS games and most AAA games. For people on the budget under $600USD, if you can find this combo, or similar performing parts (Ryzen 5600, RX 6600/XT, RTX 3060) used, it's probably all you need.
Not for cs2 tho i only get 200 fps and stuttering all over place
Lmao I literally ran that same combo when I built my pc. Now I got and RX6800 and a 5800X3D. 👌
We have same gear until now 😂
The Ryzen 3700X is still a great CPU, and definitely capable of holding it's own in the current gaming environment. Heck, the 5700X can be currently had for about $190 USD new, which honestly may be the new sweet spot for price/performance...
Zen 3 has been terrific. 5600X on launch day, got the 5700X a year ago and was even more impressed. It runs so cool you'd think it has an AIO cooler installed.
Had a 3700X running in my daughter's rig for 2 years now, after upgrading from a R5 3600. With a RTX 2060, it plays everything she cares about at 1080p quite well.
The 5700x would be the absolute minimum I would ever go for on the amd side of things.
@@HenrySomeone I think we're talking more budget/value oriented builds here... it's easy to turn a $1000 build into a $1500 build by just levelling up the odd component here or there - which some people just don't have.
i own gen 3 and gen4 AM4 amd AM5 Ryzen CPUs and i have an 5600 and an 3700X, the 3700X has a lower power consuption and is easier to cool.
R7 3700X user here, pairing it with an RTX 4070 Ti. No sign of aging yet, still runs everything on 1440p no problem including Phantom Liberty with path tracing on + DLSS Quality.
Same set up! Just got the 4070 Ti and have had the 3700x since 2020
Hello tyc bro. I upgraded my i5 9400f to a used ryzen 3700x. Paid $75 for cpu only and $110 for a b550 motherboard. Ran my ram just fine at 3600mhz
New motherboard pricing is dumb 😾.
Wanted to ask, is it normal for this cpu to run at 25watts at idle and to never go below it's base clock even at idle? My i5 used to idle at 6 watts.
yes its weird, i heard the samething, my i7 12700 desktop idles around 65 watts using a watt meter, 25 watts sounds very normal to me =)
I just picked up a 5600x with one broken pin for $40 on eBay. The pin dealt with memory, mainly only one channel worked. I replaced the the pin and have dual channel running again.. I paired it with 32gb 3200 ram and a 12gb 3060. This is still a pretty powerful combo for 1440p and I already have a buyer for the system
How did you do it?
@@LPgmxDan I have a hot air/soldering station. I have been doing board level repairs for years. I recently had to repair traces coming from a CPU socket to the ram slots because they had been broken and the first 2 ram slots didn't work. It's all about patience and practice. And steady hands lol
@@larryrodriguez1977 how did you do the pin repair tho how did you connect them
@@LPgmxDan the pins in an AMD CPU have a small base in them. Kind of like a tee for tee-ball. You have to desolder the old base and solder a new pin in it's place. I believe jays2cents has a video as does ltt. Northridge fix has a few videos showing the process also. For the trace repair I used .01mm wire and soldered it to each side of the trace to repair the break. I have done actual pin repair in an Intel socket but it was a pain and it was just to prove to myself that I could do it.
@@larryrodriguez1977 thanks for the replies I also find those repairs very interesting I still lack the equipment and knowledge about this topic tho
Picked on up for 60€ today, paired with a RX 5700XT and very impressed with the performance. Corsair 3600Mhz ram also worked fine out of the box, on a X470 Asus board.
When Zen 2 dropped I remember there being a lot of talk about how the memory speeds and tuning were a huge factor with those chips, but just months later almost every forum was suggesting 3200 mhz @ cl16, because tighter latency on 3600+mhz was quite expensive at the time. It looks like 3200 was just the right recommend either way lol.
I am recently planning to upgrade ram and my PC has r7 3700x. Should I go with 3200MHz cl16 or 3600mhz cl18?
@@explorepixels1792 iirc with Zen 2, the difference between the two was pretty negligible. There was a lot of data on this in one of Anthony's videos on LTT, and of course GN did a bunch of testing. They found some sweet spots around 4000mhz and like 3600 cl16, but at the end of the day, you'll be looking at a few percent difference at most. I would go with what fits best in the budget. 3200mhz is very well priced these days.
@@explorepixels1792Honestly, for the money it can go either way. Both have come WAY down in price, easily had for less than $40 for 16gb, and the performance difference is honestly negligible.
Never had a problem with running 3600Mhz on 3700X on 2 different systems. Both have an X570 mobo though. Running 2x16Gb Gskill Ripjaws on one and 2x16Gb Corsair vengence on the other. I am looking to get me a 5700X though. Juicy upgrade😁
I also had a 3700x on a x570 tuf paired with 3600mhz c16 ballistix running smoothly from the first start, so is not the the cpu that has problem to run the 3600mhz memory.
Running a 3800x in my system with a 3600 kit, never had an issue i have pushed it to 3800 also but did not like the high voltage. This all said my brother has a 3700x and a 3200kit and the performance is basically the same as my 3800x system its a few fps at most difference. I will probably do the 5800x3d upgrade in a year or so when they are super cheap. The 3800x is still very solid.
I dont get whats the difference between the 3700 and 3800! I have mine stable at 4300 undervolt
I always delight in knowing that I snagged a Ryzen 9 5950X for 160.00 with shipping Via an Ebay seller who listed it as defective (Boot Loop). I got the chip and installed it, it boot looped when I powered it on. I went into bios, adjusted two settings and the system booted to Windows. Chip works perfectly to this day.
Under $100? It's the new Xeon!
Haha exactly
and what's the new Pentium? 😅
The 3333mhz cap is kinda odd. I have a 3700x running 3600mhz no problem. May want to make sure your bios is updated.
I still have a 3700x but have a 5800x3d on the way. That being said I got the 3700x back in very early 2020 when it was still top tier. Amazing CPU even to this day holds its own perfectly well. I upgraded my 2060 Super to a 6800XT and its kinda bottlenecking the card a bit but still really good. 4 yrs almost and no issues whatsoever. Love this chip gonna miss it so much when the 5800x3d comes in in a couple of days.
i got a budget 5600x for 80€ used in germany. new, it is at 150€
and Brian, it hurts to see how you change the cards on a mainboard with RGB still on.
This might not matter as much, but if you're using LLMs as much as I am, cpu power is important. I'm still using a Ryzen 7 3700x, and it's still able to keep up running multiple LLMs.
But threadrippers are the premium choice in the future if you're an AMD fan boi like me. Gaming is cool, but seeing what these LLMs can do is really exciting, and my nerd level is over 9000 !
Just ordered all new parts besides my gpu (RX 6700 XT) upgrading from a ryzen 7 2700x to a ryzen 7 7700x, going from 32GB ram @3200mhz to 64GB@5400mhz. I'm very excited for this upgrade
I got a 5600 for a little below 100€ some time ago, and I swapped it for my friend's 3700X (which was actually my old CPU lol), and he was getting slightly better fps in most games, if not the same. So I guess this video works for that one as well.
He is getting a 7800XT as well, so pretty much the same as here.
I bought my 3700x new a few years ago it still handles everything quite capably I don't see me upgrading for at least another year and I'll still say with the AM4 platform I'm running this with 64 gigs of ddr4 3200 for the graphics card I'm running a Radion Sapphire RX 6600 and I'm quite happy
I have an 3700x with Asus b450 Stix and it runs perfekt 4x8 Ram 3800mhz CL 16 1.45v
*Looks at my 3800XT & 3070Ti. pats the computer case. Ya did good son, ya did good*
Am still able to pick up brand new R5 5600 for under 100 USD locally in SEA, just need the right time for sales & vouchers to line up. I bought a 2nd one for $88 last month.
Brian it would be good to see a Ryzen 3 3300x ...the unicorn CPU that sold out here in Australia very quickly.... Great content
I've recently built a 500$ gaming PC (3700x, 2070 Super, 32GB ram, 1TB NVME) mostly with used parts and could say the 3700x works really well considering I got it for a little under 100$. I am not sure how long it will stay relevant but for the games and apps I run it works great and very happy with the build.
I had 2070 super and went from 2600 to 5600x and saw a huge fps increase... the 2600 bottlenecked it hard.
The 3700x should match it well
I put my first PC together just after covid with a used $100 3700X. Still going strong, paired well with a 6650XT. Thinking of a 5700X3d if it drops a bit though.
The driver overhead is a complex topic. But in short answer: AMD has a smaller overhead on DX12 while Nvidia has a smaller overhead in DX11 (I am not sure if RTX 4000 changed a thing). OFC there are some outliers.
Been wanting to one of these up. The price is always the catch. Nice that aliexpress has for under a $100. Now i got to order one
I think you should better use 1% lows instead of 0.1% lows since they are too sensible to catch a random stutter that might not even be game related .... see in Cyberpunk the 3700X matching the 7950X3D in 0.1% lows at 1080p but way behind at 1440p, or the 29fps in Apex at 1080p but 185 at 1440p.... also in baldurs gate getting 3 or 13fps in 0.1%s is irrelevant since both mean that the picture basically freezes for a moment.
funny, about two weeks ago i tell a friend that the 3700x is 100 dollar on ali...not a bad cpu for used/mixed setup for cheap gaming. will take one of those too
the wraith cooler is 40 used, so i would take that deal all day long
I couldn't get 3600 on my 3700x, but I managed to lock in 3533mhz CL14 on my Samsung B-die back in the day. I'm now running a 5900x as my primary, but the 3700x lives on in my HTPC with 16gb 3200 C16 and an RTX 4060 which I won on Twitter from Nvidia. The 3700x was a GOAT CPU - amazing all-round performance for the price at the time, and still stands up well today.
i've had mine on 3600 cl18 for years without problems
@@PaitVideo yes, it's possible, but not all 3000 series can get to 3600 (especially early models) and some struggle to even achieve a fair bit lower. This is where the silicon lottery can affect this CPU generation, whilst most 5000 series can get to 3800 and only very rarely struggle with 3600.
If it's working, below 100 usd is a good value. Getting 8 core 16 threads with strong enough processing power even in 2023.
I just got a local deal for a 3700x, 500SEK. Which is pretty insane. All working and no bent pins.
Bruh that's very cheap
Bought used 5600x for 90€ few months ago. Upgraded from 2600. 100$ for 3700x is wayyy too much.
I went to go buy a $40 AM4 motherboard, and the guy had a "broken" 3700x. Turns out it was only like 5-8 bent pins, I'm a pro so i fixed it with the back of a razer blade and BOOM it WORKED! Free 99 is the way to ROLL! Awesome processor and a nice little upgrade from my other free R5 3600! I recently went back to playing on a GTX 980ti instead of my 2070S and besides streaming the card is amazing! 200fps in tons of games at 1080p. Sometimes I forget older hardware doesn't mean OLD, just means older!
I ran my 3700x for a year with the wraith cooler not being properly mounted. Dried up thermal paste and all. Properly mounted the cooler cpu still works great.
I have this chip in my pc now with a rx 5700xt. Wanna upgrade to a 6700xt. Runs great I love it
Isn't the 5600 only ~$105USD on AliExpress?
i'm running my 3700x with 3600 mhz 32gb XMP with no issues on an MSI b450 Pro-VDH Max. Thanks for the vid, well done
The 5700xt + R5 3600x are so cheap and good these days, there's not even a decision to make between any console or a gaming PC. Good times, I feel like it's the best time for budget gaming PC probably ever.
you be surprised, i was checking some of the other channels and if you look at the comments there always a small diehard group of console promoters, you cannot reason with them, they go on about Discs CDs DVDs Performance and on and on, its a waste of time arguing with them, they are hopeless. They rather pay 500 for a console and you have no games with it, u cant add a bunch of free games, they are broke and they are OK with it. Make it make sense? LOL
its amazing that you can get a used ryzen cpu cheaper here in the us for less then an a lot of old amd fx cpus.
I'm still running a 3700x with a 3080. I mainly use it for a rendering station in blender and it's absolutely fine. My RAM runs at 3600mhz but i do remeber having issues getting it to clock at that speed in the bios (don't ask me how i did it in the end, i can't remember). Im using a mini itx ROG B450 motherboard.
I've considered upgrading to a 5800x but i dont think its worth it for my use case. Also didn't think upgrading to the new platforms for a whole chunk of change would net me significant gains for work.
Running a r7 5700X with 4000MT memory ... last CPU was a r7 3700X & it ran 3600MT no sweat ... every CPU is different so your mileage may vary
I have a 3700X in my collection and have tested it with current high end GPU's but yeah I too couldnt get mine to work with 3600mhz memory. I went with 3200mhz didnt try to find the tipping point
3700X is a great little work horse CPU. Still going at 3600mhz no problems for 3ish years on a X570 board.
I recommend using Crucial's memory with up until Zen+/2000 series, or at least Samsung B-dies, but in most of memory 3200 should work no problem for Zen2.
Crucial memory or Corsair Vengence is what I would recommend around 3600.
they work good with older Ryzen, and I had some trouble with patriot's memory too. not sure which chip it was using but I had issues, switched to Corsair 2666 and OC'd just set it to 3600 and it just worked.
I need to get back into building pc's. when you haven't done it for awhile you lose track of all this type of stuff.
I would avoid Corsair as it mostly cheap ram.
Been using this since 2020, haven't found a reason to upgrade yet. The fact that you can get this for under $100 and a compatible mobo for just as cheap makes budget builds pretty insane right now imo.
Everything I have heard is do not buy a KF if you want to use an editing software that supports quicksync. Even with a discrete card, the addition of the quicksync from the IGP is worthwhile. Honestly - I am of the opinion just do not buy a KF unless it's a strong discount. I will gladly pay the $20-30 to get the quicksync support and extra troubleshooting feature. Even for streaming, being able to use the quicksync encoder to take all of the load off both the CPU and the GPU can help.
crazy good video, I didnt expect driver overhead to be taken in consideration. PLEASE keep doing it especially with new AMD GPU releases
What does driver overhead means?
For me
Ryzen 5 3600, MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX. 2X8 GB 3600 XMP works perfect but 4x8GB 3600MHZ never worked for me.
I think its the Ryzen 3 series CPUs that has a bad memory controller.
Bought my 3700x in 2020 and its still going strong for 3d animation productivity as well as gaming . might upgrade it in an year or two
With 4 years of continuity, the first to 4th gens of ryzen are amazing at almost any price really.
Replaced my r5 1600 from 2017 with a 3700x + wraith prism I got in Germany for 50 euros
Also got a 3600 for 40 and 1700 for 20 because at those prices it s a shame not getting them
I still have it, bought it 4 years ago for 200 its still good, still games over 100fps, so no need to upgrade, if then i would go with 5800x 3D
i have that 7 3700x ryzen its good its in my spare computer yes it is fussy with the ram mine was to
I'm using a 3700x with 2x16GB@3600Mhz CL16 RAM and a RX 7800 XT and it feels good, very good. Running about everything @1440p. From emulators to Alan Wake 2. The best part is that I paid ~$700 for this and where I live these things are pricy, very pricy.
I’m also running with the same set up so I’m glad to hear it’s running good for!
I in rural Australia, everything needs to be posted.. On Ebay I believe the 6 cores Ryzen second hand are going for just a little to much.. I can get a tray 3600 or a 5500 for around a $150 dollars new but a Second hand 3600 between $100-120. The 3700X are selling around $150 so a better deal, but for gaming isn't any proof 8 cores are better then 6. I ended up buying a 3100 for $50 before posted, that was really a 4100 that still as not been posted, I was email by the seller that said it was a 4100. Around $200 dollars for a 5600 new is what I'm looking at now, that has PCI-E 4.
Great review Brian.
I'm running an R7 5700x with an RTX3070, and 32 gig 3200 ram.
No issues with my system bottle necking. Gpu is usually around the high 90%'s unutilisation, with the cpu at around 80-90% utilisation.
Was thinking about the RX7800XT as an upgrade, but after watching your video, I think I'll wait, as the diff isn't worth the cost of the new card for now.
Looking forward to the next video mate.
3700x, asus 2080 ti, x570 tuf gaming m.b, 32 gb g skill 3600 (overclocked). never had any issues, pretty damn good for the time, but she's still holdin up.
Great find! I was able to snag a Ryzen 7 5800x myself in Sydney for $220 AUD (~139USD). Crazy good deal at the time!
I always thought you had to screw the M.2 drives down? 🤔
lol not for a test bench, but make sure you don't bump the drive out of place :p
He is showing us how he really feels about AMD
I bought the 3700x this week on Ebay under $100 USD for a budget video too. Still waiting for it to arrive.
I'm still using a R7-3700X on a new MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk. I just installed this motherboard and used my old 3700X for now. It's doing really good. I'm running a MSI RTX3060, 16 G Corsair Vengence RAM at 3600M. I'm really happy, it's a good budget mid-range gaming system. In all honesty, I'm going to upgrade to a R7-5700X when I can, but this is working good for now.
Makes me wonder how that 3700X would stack up alongside the older 2700X, or indeed the original Ryzen.
You would see a measured difference, but you may not see a real time difference. I've a Xeon1650V2, 2700X and 5900X. The 2 Ryzens have a real noticeable difference over the Xeon gaming, but not much difference between the 2 Ryzens gaming only...
@@EricVonZipper Indeed, I saw something similar between a 2650 v2, 2600 and 3600.
Popped one of these babies I found for 95 euro's in a 2600 upgrade last weekend, owner had Gskill 3000 hz in the system, enabled XMP and set to 3200, runs flawlessly.
I just bought a combo deal of a 3700X, including a new Wraith Prism cooler, with the pre-applied thermal paste, and an RTX 2070 Super for $280 USD in the U.S. Gonna try and flip it in a budget build.
Did you simply try to reinstall the DIMMs in the other bank of memory on the MB? This was the issue for me. Try bank B as per specs it has higher speeds supported.
I've worked on 2 systems where the memory speeds/stability degraded over time and both times cleaning the dimm slots and ddr4 contacts with alcohol and a toothbrush (gently) would allow me to push the memory speeds higher. These PCs were used by or around people that smoke, though I suspect this could still happen just given a long enough period of time. This could potentially show up more for those who push their ram to the raggedy edge of stability. Anyway, if your system used to be stable (assuming you didn't use crazy voltages) and now it's not, maybe try giving the slots/dimms a clean. Obviously don't do this while plugged in to power and be sure everything is dry before powering the PC back on.
Set the SOC to a SAFE voltage of 1.15 and that should fix the ram issue... I overclock my 3600 kit to 4000mhz with c16 timings by upping SOC to 1.21and a few other tweaks on my Steel Legend B550 board
I've got a 3700X in my system and, if you're going to buy used because you're on an extreme budget, I would say get it. But the Ryzen 5 CPUs have a 30% uplift in gaming. My buddy with a marginally worse video card (6600XT versus my 1080 ti) but with a 5600 consistently gets better frame rates than me in all the games we play. The 3700X is marginally faster in multi-threaded, production-oriented workloads, but neither of us do that. If you have an AM4 motherboard and wanted an upgrade for your gaming PC, and you had more money to spend, I would just get a 5600 or 5600X and call it a day. Personally, I'm planning on eventually getting a 5800X3D and leaving my system alone for a few more years.
Ryzen 3600/3700X and 5600/5700X are all great value products and still very capable CPUs. They all offer great price/performance ratio, especially taking into account a wide range of cheap motherboards. Unlike 5800X3D, which is crazy expensive, even used.
here in germany used 5800x are cheap and very easy to find, just upgraded my 3600 to a 5800x
I took advantage of the 3700X prices when they were still "high" (triple digits). Bought a 5800X3D for 319eur brand new a year ago, sold my old 3700X for 120eur, so all in all I paid just 200 euros for a MASSIVE upgrade for gaming
Man you can find 5700x around 100€ in Germany nowadays I mean 3700x for 100$ is definitely expensive. Country difference of course.
Just paid €80 for a 3700X - an upgrade from an i7 4790K and it's amazing. I couldn't care less about gaming any more, or which GPU works best with it.
An Xbox was cheaper than a GPU so I gave up on the PC gaming.
I got it for productivity and general desktop use, for which you can't go wrong at the price.
Perhaps it's best side (productivity) is worth a mention?
Had a 3700x with a Tuf Gaming X570-plus mobo @ 3600mhz ddr4 for the last 4 years never had a issue with my rams
I only had a 3700x for about half a year from late 2022 to like April 2023 cause I found a local seller selling a Ryzen 5700x unboxed for $100 USD, asked him why so cheap and he said cause he was gifted the 5700x & 5800x for his birthday so was getting rid of 5700x for cheap cause he’s not loosing money, so I bought it and sold the 3700x for $80 USD lol, I had just bought an RTX 4070 from an RTX 2080 as well so I wanted a better CPU
Absolutely!!! im using the 3700x theres no point in upgrading it im playing alot of games with only 30% cpu usage. im using crucial ballistix 3600Mhz in asus tuf x570 it runs at that speed
With the Ryzen 5600 regularly on sale for ~$100usd new (albiet with a more basic cooler) or easily $100 used ... It's hard to justify the 3700X at that price. It's a good cpu but it's getting hard to justify a lot of the used CPU prices with new ones so cheap. I'm not seeing a ton of value yet with Ryzen 7000 for flipping but it's not that much more if you did want to go that route. Personally, I'm aiming at
The 3700x is pretty good if you are also doing some content creation on the side. The extra cores also help with VMs and if you are gaming while also using 2 monitors and watching youtube while you are gaming 🤣
@@darkkingastos4369 - I suppose it depends on use-case but the 5600 beats the 3700X in many regards anyways
I agree, if your here in Chicago go to Microcenter and pickup something new or open box and go from there, makes no sense to do it any other way, especially if your not a pc builder with extra parts at home in case something goes wrong. If you in Indianapolis they just opened a brand new store.
Agree 5600 just 110$ here
Black Friday Special ASUS TUF B550M-PLUS $129 AUD, then had to get the rest from Ebay, Corsair 2 x 8GB 3200 $32 AUD, SK HYNIX PC801 250GB $20 AUD I think it's the same has the SK HYNIX PLATINUM P41, and I was looking for a 6 core CPU, but priced to high so went with a Ryzen 3 3100 for $50 AUD but hear me out, I really want a 8 core Ryzen 7 5700 or 5800 but I think there's more price reductions to come. Upgrading from a i7-4790 using the same case and tower cooler, I really just wanted something with PCI-E 4 and NVME's. That's my life story, never added up the postage, sound much better without.
I've been runnin' my 3800x pc since 2020 !!!!
good to hear i'm not too far of, with my Ryzen 5 3600x and my 3070 ;p
thank you for this video. im currently using ryzen 7 3700x with MSI 6750xt. but only 1080p monitor. should i upgrade to 1440p to maximize?
I have a ryzen 7 3700x paired with 32gb 3600 ramm and a gtx 1080 FE. Playing hell divers on high settings, the FPS is around 85 with lows of 80. I have a 3090 on its way so time to upgrade cpu eventually 😊
I love how the RAM issue is being blamed solely on the CPU, not on the RAM manufacturers swapping out the chips for whatever is cheapest at the time while keeping the same name/model of the kit. It's why Corsair kits have had a version number on the sticker for 15+ years. if it's different to a stick/kit you already have, chances are they switched suppliers of the memory chips underneath those (entirely unnecessary) heatspreaders, say from Samsung to Hynix or Micron or whatever else, or worse binnings of the same ones. It's also part of the reason why you sometimes get a seemingly 100% identical kit but the subtimings are slightly different (16-19-19-36 vs. 16-20-20-38 for example)
Getting back to the fact that I play way less than in the past and therefore sold my PC:
2700x,
B450M-A Plus,
40 GB DDR4 3000mhz cl16
RTX 2070
for 550€
and got a:
i5-13500,
B760M-ITX WIFI
64GB DDR4 3200Mhz
GTX 1060 6GB
for 600€
Crazy how much Performance one can get for their money!
I got a 3800x used back in 2022 for $200. 3800x is supposed to be the "Best silicon" version of the 3700x bin, but otherwise pretty much the same in every way. Running on a Tomahawk b450, G.Skill FlareX 3200 CL14 memory, and RTX 3080 10gb. I picked up the 3080 when the prices dropped down to $850 new. Using a 1440p ultrawide monitor so resolutions are between 1440p -> 4K. Can get 75-95 FPS on various titles running many settings at ultra and a few dropped down to high. Here recently been playing Darktide, Robocop, Red Dead Redemption, and Baldur's Gate 3. Mostly I just click the in game recommended settings button and then enable DLSS. Recently I updated my BIOS and didn't realize that XMP got disabled by the update. I played some games and thought my CPU was dying because everything was a bit choppy as CPU load increased. Realized something wasn't right when I saw the cache latency on CPUID was running at CL16. Checked the BIOS and corrected the XMP issue and everything went to buttery smooth. So, the FlareX memory running at the tight CL14 timings smooths gameplay quite a bit.
I feel the pain, oouch.
😃 guys, if you really like that AMD Cooler, i noticed that the new AMD 7700 cpu that cooler is included in the box, all brand new, goes for 300 bucks at Microcenter, yay
Bought one used for 150 AUD nearly two years ago on eBay.. it suffices for emails m8. Paired it with rtx 3070. Great at 1440p.. oh and emails
Got my 3700x with a asus rog b550-a gaming and phanteks case for 450$aud 2nd hand. For xmp issue i had to do a bios update. I have it paired with a 6800xt red devil which i scored for $300. System runs smooth i get 100fps in most games I play
From my experiences with Zen2 chips, be happy it reached 3333 with that memory. I couldn't get the ones I worked with to do past 3200, even with 3600 memory. It took going up to Zen 3 to get those kinds of speeds. I don't think it's the IMC, but rather than Infinity Fabric speeds that hold it back. Zen1 and Zen+ were even worse, barely able to get to 2933, and then only with the right memory.
Absolutely yes.
Especially when you save another 30-50 bucks on the cooler.
It's a 8 core Ryzen!!!
For
I have a 4770k ocd to 4.5ghz with 2400mhz ddr3 ram.
Would I see a big upgrade if going with 3700x?
4770k still suprices me with it performance, I have not even thought of upgrading but if I can get 3700x,mobo,ram under 200e, I might go for it.
Heck, I got a r7 2700, a Quadro k5000, a 512GB nvme SSD and a Asus B550 board for $100, I can't complain there
I guess it depends where you are to, but in Canada a 3700x is about $375 and 3800x is about $400
Canadian pc component pricing SUCKS though.
only had problems with my 7800xt had occasional blackscreens not reproducible , driver timeout etc much problem with second screen with high refreshrate , high idle wattage
had send it back to seller and hope to get my money back and buy me a slower and less vram 4070 but STABLE
I just removed my 3600X and gigabyte X570 mobo and 32gig of ram from my Antec P120 case and replacing it with my AM5 platform parts. The 3600X was hardly being utilised, only for minecraft on linux every now and then. My main rig is 5600X on an Asrock X570 mobo with 64gig ram. I also have a 5600G build parts around here as somewhere. [Yes, I'm greedy, I can't help myself 😄]
Stock Up, It's What We Do, I think alot of us can open up a repair shop if we really needed too 😅
Had no issues with the R7 3700X, 32GB DDR4 3200mhz and RX 5700XT custom vbios and plays and works well 1080p/1440p.
Still one outlier that struck me was the Boulder Gate FPS and the money's spent to get a near 60Fps experience. Stunning.