Which is pond is better; a rubber liner pond, or a concrete pond?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2013
- Deciding what material to make a pond of is very important. This is one of the biggest cost involved in pond build. In the long run which saves more money? Steve Walker, President of Sacramento Koi discuss 20 Questions to Ask Yourself Before You Build a Koi Pond - #4 Which is pond is better; a rubber liner pond, or a concrete pond?
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I have experience with both. For my pond, I first tried liners. I went through three liners (about 125 each) … all three times … despite utilizing a buffer underlay and the older liner on top …. I experienced leakage. It was VERY difficult to locate the leaks. I finally dismantled all the liners and it turns out some of the boulders had cut through the liner(s) thus creating leaks. So now I have rep,aced with concrete. The concrete contains water proofer and fibers to help make it more crack resistant. I also painted a fish safe water proof layer over the finished concrete. Just completed project and have not tested yet … but, from my perspective here are the pros/cons of each type … mind you I am a do it yourselves with no deep experience in either method. Vinyl liner: pros - not permanent, more flexible, moveable. Cons - not as strong, wrinkles and plastic look is harder to hide, prone to tears if in a rocky area with rocks also on top, harder to customize shape. Concrete: pros - easier to customize shape, can hold and accommodate heavier rock work, more durable and easier to identify and fix cracks. Cons - more permanent and May be harder to move, demolish or modify, and can be more expensive and more work (digging, forms, mixing, pouring, forming, water proofing, etc.) … especially if one hires out. Cost on both was about equivalent as I did myself and considering all three leaky liners. Thanks for the post and best of luck all! Max in Seattle
Thank you really helped me make a decision
@@zander6177 btw, the concrete is holding water beautifully! No leakage
The nice thing about the liner is if you decide to make the pond bigger later on it’s easier to do than starting the concrete all over.
That concrete is for ponds that are already designed to be huge. Most DIYers make small ponds because of the work that it requires.
Hi,
My late father had a Greenhouse which I have since removed, the stone area is what it stood on which I will put rocks on, I am moving the earth for the water area, I will use it for Newts it Frogs but I don't know wether I want concrete or liner, If I go with concrete how do I put it on the side walls? I understand I will need a few inches of gravel on the base before the concrete is laid but again what about the sides?
Thanks for any help.
Thanks for making this Video.
hi! m making concrete pond. the dilemna is tht since I have made it with rock boulders and mortar mix, I want those rocks to be seen and not hidden by any layer..so do I need to worry about seepage? and in my country we dnt have access to those pondsealants( nor do I want to use it) so do I add a step to apply thin layer of waterproofing liquid with cement over the crux joints between those boulders to ensure seepage dsnt occur? those boulders dnt let water pass thrugh right?
thanks in advance, it's been harddddddd work diy on that pond. would appreciate ur help! I hope mine looks gud as urs.. urs heavenly!
Super helpful! Thank you!!
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Terima kasih.
Thanks for the video. 🤗
If you're up for something permanent, concrete pond is for you. It's expensive though since, you know, it requires concrete. Rubber liner is you are more finicky and tends to change your mind more people. You can move it around your land if you want to have a new look.
A pond will only add to the value of your home if you're not going to sell it.
WRONG. A pond may or may not add to the value of the property only if you decide to sell your property. If you’re not selling the property than a pond you own is PRICELESS.
Where can I find an actual dedicated koi pond contractor that uses concrete? I live in the northwest suburbs of Chicago.
Northeast pond DIYer here. What say you about concrete ponds for extreme weather like mine (Lake Ontario area)?
Thank you.
How about the PH??? does the concrete affect that??? Im working aquaponics
if i make a concrete pond do i then have to paint it or what do i do??
ty from denmark
well I believe they have food-grade concrete sealers if that's what you meant
How do you waterproof a concrete pond?
How do you stop calcification precipitate from coming out of the water in a concrete pond?
20,000 gallons… consistently high PH… dumped gallons of acid into it.. no change.
Lots of calcium on the bottom of pond, we move it with a hose then vacuum it up.. weekly! Help!
What do you treat the concrete pond with to mitigate the effects of the lime?
nothing
Both can cost more than the other, concrete can go 100 years without cracks if done right. Both have pros and cons
why does it crack after 100 years?
@@vinvan4237 concrete dries out and gets harder over time, all concrete is liable to crack that's why it's structurally reinforced with rebar.
@@PlannedMayhem This guy is saying concrete cracks after 100 years. I don't understand why after 100 years it would suddenly crack?
vin van you see comrade, it's call a metaphor
@@hiimryan2388 It doesn't sound like one.
I prefer concrete and big rocks also natural clay which you can get it free at a riverside
Agree, the natural look is better and typically more durable.
Wow, 😜you like to cook some delicious looking food over there.
I built a waterfall with a small stream leading to a pondless catch basin using a rubber liner. I had to replace one of my liners and where the new one over lapped, due to unavoidable wrinkles in my liner, the seal tape wouldn't hold and I'm losing water. I am going to try and cement the area of the overlap on top of my liner and wrinkles. Does anyone have any advice for me? I've been working on this for 4 yrs now and still haven't had it leak proof.
tear it out and put in a concrete pond . 4 years ? your patience is extraordinary
I will love to have a koi pond in my backyard, but the winter get pretty ugly up here
bluefire m u good get a heater
cost was 250 dollars for the liner and underlayment was free and shipping was free and 1 day old pond out and new pond in .old pond was 8ft by 20ft by 3 ft deep .Did it all in March of 2014 .To finish with 3 snow storms and sides and bridge put back the end of March .My home made filters back in and plants and fish in .I WILL NOT GO BIGGER enough is enough .Cement would not work for me ,to expensive quote was 5000 dollars just for the cement and men and pumper truck .Does not include anything else like finishing .I'm retired not rich and I think most people feel the same .I can buy a house here for 25 thousand why would I spend that on a pond .Most ponds are a bad investment when you want to sell your house in the future not an asset .
sissy murphy Where the hell do you live? you can buy a house for 25k? O.o
Silverjda I live in Virginia on the southside near the NC border .If you want a bigger house with more land you can get a house here for 162 thousand .www.danriverassociationofrealtors.com .I retired here from NJ and house near Bedford lake 12 acres was 28 thousand and this house here was a custom built modular on 3 acres for 90 thousand 2440 sq. ft with a view .Taxes a thousand dollars .I have been here 11 years ,Taxes on other smaller house is 364 dollars a year
wow 250 for a big ass liner , i would put three layers of it , dirt cheap
How are water dams made, without concrete liners. Clay?
Could you please make a video of constructing a pond? I would love to see your work
you see his work in the background
should i put a sealant or swimming pool paint over the concrete bottom
Why not have liner on top of concrete, we did something similar cause our concrete hollow blocks might leak and finishing was done on one side. And it didn’t look pretty but the purpose was to get experience with tilapias.
Nice
I personally don't like the idea of a pond liner. Back in the 1960s my dad had a swimming pool put in our backyard. It was rebar, gunite, and plaster. We lived 4 miles from the epicenter of the 1971 Sylmar 6.5 earthquake. The earthquake didn't cause any cracks in the main structure of the pool.
The wrinkles create a weak spot
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Wich one will last more??
Ones made from the same material as tires and another is made of thic concrete
Someone told me that concrete will affect the pH of the water!? Should a koi pond that's built with cement/ concrete be covered with some sort of membrane or is just cement/ concrete work fine??
You have to let it cure first you can also acid wash it, or use vinegar. This neutralizes the lime from leaching into the water.
Lastly... paint it with a concrete paint for water, or perhaps better yet, an EPDM liquid rubber paint, I believe concrete cured and washed properly with the addition of a coat or two of liquid EPDM paint is the best option. I think some would just saw concrete, cured thoroughly and 'washed' with an acid/water or vinegar, and rinsed thoroughly is best.
how thick should the concrete be
+Curtis Cannon The gunite/concrete needs to be at least 3 inches thick on either side of the rebar. That means that all the walls and floor will be a minimum of 6 inches thick.
That's a lot of concrete
+Curtis Cannon it DEFINITELY doesn't need to be that thick.
That's how thick you pour a house foundation. This guy just wants to charge more money for over engineering things. Also he talks about concrete raising the value of your house? It takes AWAY. It is taxed because it is permanent unlike a liner pond. I had to fill in my pond in my last house i sold in CA because there is so many regulations about having open water in your yard, it was almost impossible to sell.
I am currently restoring a 100 year old concrete pond that is part of our Victorian farm house. Does anyone know of any videos on how to get it holding water again. I am considering having a professional come in but would prefer to do it on my own. Thanks
I'd like to know this as well. Thanks
They sell "pond spray liner". How bad the concrete is may vary, you may need to patch the bad spots or even etch it first. They sell 5gal pails you can just paint on as well and seal the whole thing.
Concrete ponds have a life span around 40 years . 100 year old pond ? tear it out and pour new concrete .
Yes because.concret ponds if it will crock more to do it again and again...
What are some good waterproof morters
Look up "pond spray liner".
I used a liner and then about a year later put concrete over it1🙆♂️
I love my liner Pond ... being honest
Concrete pond looks like swimming pool and liner pond looks like pond 😊
I find liner pond much like a swimming pool than a natural rock and cement pond. Buy a good pro mix which has glue and can resist heat temperatures.
It really depends how you design it. Mine was a small steep and deep situation so the liner actually looked less pond like. The concrete however I designed like an upside down layer cake … so I could safely layer in rocks and make more natural
I had to fixed a cracked pipe in a liner pond.....100% concrete is better lol
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Such a waste of resources, take a look to Sepp Holzer ponds, sepacially, the one build in Tamera, Portugal.
Is which pond is better.. your heading is wrong..
Concrete better
Yes
Appraisers DO NOT GIVE VALUE FOR PONDS PERIOD.
A natural pond. Use clay.
Any ideas or sites to view clay ponds.
If your in California..earthquakes can crack concrete..rubber wont. They make these new liners so thick...they must be good for decades in the backyard. Just don't play lawn darts near the fish pond..
Cost prohibitive and not natural looking.
Well, he did mention cement was more commercials, but I've also noticed wealthy people don't even look at the cost or whether it looks natural (or whether it's environmentally sound). They just throw money at it and expect impressive results. It's like a woman with huge implants; they do it for the _ooo_ and the _ahh_ because they don't care for natural.
i seen many ponds , most doesnt look natural ,concrete pool focus more to water quality , for quality kois
Why he repeats himself is beyond me
Whats up with everything being Koi ponds. Koi is over done and old already. Lets get some new kind of fish going.
So you go to a koi channel to complain about koi...
real smart
Concrete ponds suck they don’t look right, liners look more natural, a swimming people is for people
a swimming people is for people.....