Did Dark Souls CHANGE gaming?
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- A discussion I've had countless times over the years is how dark souls can change your taste for other games games over all. The prospect of it ruining other games entirely is something ive always wanted to make a video about. Make sure to comment below on how playing fromsoftware's souls titles have affected or not effected your ability to enjoy the things you always had previously and the games that came afterwards! For all my other channels featuring music, longplays and livestreams as well as social media platforms check out the pinned comment below!
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It's like eating mediocre food for most of your life and then experiencing something truly delicious.
You're not going to be satisfied with the mediocre stuff anymore.
not unless it's cheap
I discovered Dark Souls in 2017, and Fromsoft games have taken up essentially all my interest in gaming ever since. My only regret is that I wish I discovered it sooner.
Literally 90% of my thousands of hours of playtime in games is fromsoftware or souls likes since I first played dark souls 1 in like 2018 😂
Changed my life. I have high functioning autism and these games act as a form of therapy for me. Easy games are so boring to me. I love the challenge. Taught me so much that I applied to my real life. Has made me very successful.
Yes yes yes, this!! Honestly this game has a lots of parallels with my actual life. It isn’t easy at all, I’m not just waltzing through it. I have to sit and think about every single interaction. And when I FINALLY figure it out. It feels like such an accomplishment. I’m never getting steady dopamine. It’s me being “blocked off” until I suddenly get a surge of it. Just like defeating a boss and getting a lot of experience/souls. God I just LOVE this game!!
Dark Souls didnt ruin Old School Runescape for me because the grind never ends
Bro WHAT tf made you think about osrs from this Video? Like wtf hahahaha
Don't worry I'm not talking shit or anything, I'm literally afking crabs on my old phone right next to me while I watch this lmfao.
Tbh I just didn't expect to see ANYTHING even remotely related to osrs lol. Like seeing your comment on here blew me away hahahahahaha. Good luck bro!
@@chrisfartlett i like to come out of left field with this stuff
Personally I thought I had "matured" or "grown out" of gaming at one point. Everything I tried to play just felt completely boring and uninteresting at the time, especially since it was at the peak of things like WoW and before indie games had really started to make an impact.
Then I found Demon's Souls. It wasn't love at first sight and I definitely struggled to find my way in it. But once I did I was hooked and I realized that I still had a huge interest in games as long as the difficulty felt fair and there was something to learn from losing. (Also, not boring me with hours and hours of cutscenes). It started to change the way I think about games in the sense that failing and losing felt good because it gave me the chance to actually analyze myself and what I'm doing.
I never would have gotten so into Monster Hunter if not for this change for me. Some others that have this same type of "git gud" but rewarding gameplay loops are Nioh 2, Monster Hunter, Dota 2 and to a certain extend roguelikes like Risk of Rain 2, Dead Cells and Binding of Isaac.
Overall, Souls games didn't ruin other games for me. I was already bored of other games and ready to move past video games in general. Demon's Souls came at the perfect time.
@SquillaKilla - FromSoft completely changed me as a gamer. Before BloodBorne (First FS game; yes, IK I was late to the party), I was strictly a sports and FPS gamer. Let me tell you, at BB, I was terrible - embarrassingly so. I thought I was a gamer, turned out, I was just good at a couple games. I am not a "ragey" gamer, but BB made me throw my controller for the first time since I was a child. As your video implies, it seems the masochist in me could not turn away from the challenge.
Not only has my taste for games changed, it changed the way I view "good games". I went from requiring good graphics and exploiting the same techniques to "git gud" in competitive playlists. To sustained, stressful challenges that each level/area/TITLE SCREEN of all FromSoft games provides.
Now if games don't not have:
Deaths in 2-3 hits
3-5 minutes + boss fights
Have mini maps or other assistive tools (etc.)
Those games just don't stress me, they seem easy because I've played this series. In fact, I still play Madden competitively (occasionally) and I just don't get rattled anymore.
Down 21 - 7? Doesn't matter. Ya, boy got 0 estus, a Claymore, and a dream.
Thanks, SquillaKilla
This is realy one of the funiest and hilarious vidéos on Dark soul on UA-cam I have ever watched, it cracked so much it's unbelivable 😂😂😂😂
Hey my dude, super happy to see you putting that smooth voice to work and doing structured content like this.
I actually had an experience like this going from the souls series, to Monster Hunter (at least from a combat perspective). The combat loop in MH made it harder for me to go back to some of the other souls games, but I probably wouldn't have even given MH a chance were it not for my experience with the souls genre. Kind of a weird chicken / egg / apples / oranges type situation that I think is fascinating.
No, if a game being more satisfying makes peoples preferences shift towards other similar games then its just evolution at that point.
I love to spend hours thinking about how the narratives in video games relate to real life. I spend a long time contextualizing why stories are told and why we care.
For example, the Golden Order in Elden Ring is a rare example of the aftermath of idealist politics. Ideal things are good, but humans aren't perfect. Try to make the world perfect, and you end up destroying it
I now chase getting an experience out of a game more than anything. Regardless of what form it comes in be it story, game mechanics, etc.
Sekiro was by far the hardest game for me. It took a long time to beat, some bosses taking me more than 3 days to beat. After I beat it I found I was wanting to play other games on the hardest difficulty and if it wasn’t challenging enough I didn’t want to play it.
Sekiro is also the first game I’ve gone back to play in NG+. Normally I don’t play games after I’ve beat them but there’s something about the difficulty that brings me back in.
Of the souls games I’ve only played sekiro, at the start of the pandemic. I lost 30kg that year and part of my discipline and consistency came from that game
The Witcher 3 ruined other games for me. The game was so unbelievably immersive and had such amazing writing that nothing else ever felt the same. It moved the goal post of what I considered a 10/10 game by such a large margin. I love dark souls so much, but if I have the Witcher as a ten the highest I can rate the best souls game would be slightly above a 9/10.
Bro it’s crazy… you’re a renowned challenge runner but only have 400 likes in an hour.. bs you deserve more… I love all dark souls 3 challenges. especially yours squiddy.!! Keep it up bro love the vids
Elden ring did it for me! I had played through DS3 before but elden ring just clicked! Then bloodborne and the rest. Now even playing games that are thought of as good, I just cannot enjoy them! Your description of feeling like you've have fully leveled a life stats resonates with me! Nothing compares now
"The Scraping Spear - Baby Nail - Lizard Griefing - SL1 Twinkie Invading 1:1" created a new tier of enjoyment. Hate mail, threats of violence, expletives about my mother... it changed everything. No game has come close to the absolute thrill of terrorizing noobs for no reason. That was my hook and I spent the better part of a decade riding that high.
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Now I have a '93 Miata Coupe with a 400 small block and drive like Demon's Souls everywhere I go.
Affect* is the verb you’re looking for. Effect is a noun.
Assassin's Creed 2 is used as an example here, it got criticism for having combat that was too easy but people didn't realise you could go back to the training area and complete drills to learn different moves for every weapon type.
Shin Megami Tensei. I have to say this. As much as I love the Souls games and they have absolutely contributed to who I am now, the SMT games have changed the way I approach strategy in general. The way I think and consider options have changed drastically with how tactical the games are.
I agree. After playing all the souls games I find it extremely difficult to get into other games because they just aren’t souls games lol
Yeah, it killed a lot of future interest in games for me. I remember trying DkS 1 and dropped it. DkS 2 was the first title I finished and it started my spiral. It was jank, but the build variety, story telling, and combat created an urge in me that couldn't be filled outside of other From Soft titles.
Perhaps my outlook is different due to the timeframe in which I started playing games, or the games that I started out with being the original Sonic and Super Mario, then the plethora of games which came after like Metroid, Megaman, and Final Fantasy. I think it is simply a difference in timing. I experienced those games first (though admittedly you also experienced the Megaman game) and so with those in my memory I thought of Dark Souls not as a jumping off point but instead a return back to a prior form I was familiar with. If anything, it reignited (rekindled, haha) a love for the challenge and sense of self-improvement and accomplishment I had long since stopped finding in more recent titles I was playing.
That all said, the advent of gaming is long since past. Unless someone is specifically given or chooses the path of experiencing gaming itself in order of original chronological release, it is going to become the norm that people first experience games casually and are later introduced to something like Dark Souls or Elden Ring. Your view of how Dark Souls changed things will be the normal experience; I would argue it is already. However, the game that does this for most may already not be Dark Souls but instead Elden Ring or Armored Core 6. In the future not even those games will be the common touchstone, but instead another game either from FromSoft or some other company. Such is the inevitable consequence of the turning of the wheel.
Edited for clarity, and because I had repeated myself
This wasn't the type of video I was expecting, but what this video did teach me is that I'd let Squilla lecture me on sheep reproductive cycles and I'd still watch that video.
Biggest regret of my life is buying dark souls in 2011 for the ps3 and quitting it after i couldnt figure out the controls for jump attack
I felt this way until I played ghost of Tsushima, lords of the fallen, etc
Fromsoft 100% change my view on what single player games should be like, but many games have done this type if thing for me on different styles of games. World of Warcraft did this to me as well back when it came out and defined what a multiplayer game could be. Nothing (and especially no memory or large multiplayer game) ever compared to what that game brought with community.
Hey man. Ever since DS1, when you used to be on xbox360, we'd PVP and have tons of fun. Since that time, I find it hard to go to certain games, yes. Recent example: I played a few playthroughs of Elden Ring before I purchased Starfield. After playing Starfield for a few weeks, racking up over 60 hours of playtime, I found myself going straight back to Elden Ring and Dark Souls. Starfield isn't a bad game; it just didn't provide the dopamine that you're referring to in this video. Morrowind and Oblivion are also classic examples. Unless I nerf myself on certain playthroughs of Bethesda or SquareEnix games, over time they don't have much of the same appeal as they used to.
Our understanding of what constitutes a good game is evolving constantly. One day, something might just "ruin" Dark Souls.
Playing souls games became a great part of my life. I like to jump time to time to the souls games in not particular order. I especially like redoing a dark souls 3 or a sekiro run time to time. Elden ring is great, but the world is so massively huge that doing an another run take me more time to accomplish it. I did 2 challenges run SL1 DS1 and SL1 DS3, and while the first one was not really hard to do, I struggled a lot trough DS3 SL1 with Soul of Cinder that took me 3 months of trying lol while Gael and friede took me some weeks. So yeah, I like feeling that the game is putting some resistance. What I enjoy the most in gaming is to learn from my mistakes and always be stronger and to improve myself day after day.
BLOODBORNE where pc ? Seriously, the only souls I never did because it is on a console I dont own. And yes I have did demon souls, and it was in its original form into the ps3, so I did only one run on it, I need it to be played on pc... So far my top souls list are: Dark Souls 3, Sekiro, Elden ring, Dark Souls 1, Demon Soul, and dark souls 2. So don't know about bloodborne placement.
I am more of strategic gamer enthusiast coming from the RTS gendra or the total war, that's my background before jumping on dark souls 1 as my first experience. I also like multiple kind of games except shooter or sports game and simulation. Major part of the time I m doing other games, some that I play daily like genshin or hsr (gacha yikes), and others I enjoyed really much like total war warhammer 3. However, there is still a time in the month I spent on souls game.
The souls games I have did and that I enjoy are Code vein, Asterigos, Mortal Shell (good potential but too short) and now I am doing Lies of P, I am close to the end of the game I think and so far it is the best souls experience I had from an another game studio. I have tried lords of fallen, but I could not pass the poor optiéization and all the bugs I had with low frame rate I had fighting the first boss so I gave up, same thing with Wo Long. Team ninja other game Nioh 1 and 2, was a really bad souls experience to me. Only pain and frustration for a small reward.
Im looking forward for more souls in the future while I will definitely relaunch another runs of a souls games, I can't get enough of this adrenaline
Dark souls and similar games definitely changed my life for better. I take more calculated risks and stand my ground. Resilience is also got 8:56 ten better overall
As a dude who played Severance: Blade of Darkness in 2001, I have to say No. Blade of Darkness did that in 2001 and I've been looking for a substitution since then. Daemon's Souls did come quite close though. But I don't like everything that From Software did with that software. Just to name one thing, I think the crafting system in Elden Ring is completely superfluous, and all consumables should replenish at sites of grace like the Estus Flasks.
The thing about dark souls that ruined other games for me is how good and fair the hit boxes and attacks are even in the first dark souls. When you go to another game and an attack hits that definitely should not have it makes the game down right unplayable and annoying.
I always thought that Dark Souls wasn’t for me. I bought DS3 when it was at a discounted price during covid lockdown, just out of curiosity. As soon as the cinematic started, I knew I was going to love it. Three playthroughs later, after about fifteen Bloodborne playthroughs (two at bl4), six times beating Sekiro and completing Elden Ring five times, as well as DS1 and DS2, it made me realise that dying in video games is actually a good thing. The more you die, the sweeter the victory.
It made me try to beat all Bloodborne bosses at level 4 without being hit (not in one continuous playthrough), and it was the most fun I had playing Bloodborne. After a few The Last of Us part II playthroughs, I tried beating the game at grounded difficulty, which was brutal, but so much fun. And after practicing for a few months, I eventually beat the game at grounded difficulty in whole-game permadeath mode. As a run takes about 11 hours to beat, it can be quite long to start over. I have a school notebook filled with notes for each sections. Finally seeing the end credits gave me such a high.
Even if they are ´just’ video games, it taught me that every obstacles can be overcome with perseverance and effort. I’m more patient and forgiving towards my failures. Good times.
This game or more soulslike genre, definitely changed on how I look at things, i know this sounds cheesy, but in a way, the game, intentionally or not teaches me to handle problem in real life with brace
the game really engages me with sense of curiosity and perseverance
does soulslike a perfect genre? no, far from it, and to you who disagree with me, remember that we can accept flaws in anything, and embrace the imperfection
the game tells a story without forcing you into it,
the game give you subtle clues, and tools, only to be unable to utilize them fully at first playthough, and can be confusing at times
sometime it's bullshit? with some of the older games has janky hitbox, or even the latest one, the rocks at fire giants arena cucks you? yeah
but againts all that I still love the game and the genre (specifically fromsoftware's games)
this video really resonates with me, because I am in a circle of friends that hate the genre to the bone, most of them say that the game has only cheap enemy placement and bad gameplay, and cringe fanbase, and feels like I found a little friend on this video
I wouldn't say ruined. But I do see what you mean. Like I was a huge fan of Nintendo growing up and I still love a lot of the games they make. But I haven't been fired up about a Nintendo game the way I do thinking about say Lies of P 2 or Shadow of the Erdtree. And yeah going back to most games including games I was bad at I play a lot better now after all the souls games.
I played Skyrim right after finishing ds1. Skyrim combat felt terrible. Learned I like rpg elements but not full blown rpgs. Grind your chores to grind your chores.
I've only played DS 1 and 3 but both were quite fun for me. I didn't play them expecting a walk in the park, nor did I get it, but that's what other games are for. Different games for different moods/states of mind at the time. I do content in FF XIV the same way. Do I love savage raiding yes, but I don't do Ultimate because it's more commitment and skill than I wish to invest and then when I'm feeling low energy I have plenty of casual content I can do. Having a "harder" mode/game/series to play is nice because sometimes it's rewarding to be able to flex and prove to yourself that "yeah I can beat this!" Did Souls ruin other games for me though, no. It simply gave me a new series to enjoy as both a player and a viewer.
Dark Souls hasn't ruined many games for me. If anything, it has made me more comfortable with failure, learning from it, and improving next time. Not just in games, but in life as well. It has also made me desire to push myself into more difficult game settings and not just play for story anymore. I used to play on easier difficulties just for the story, but I enjoy challenging myself a lot more now.
dude i thought it was just me lol. This is a great video!
For me, it kinda did lol, it's succes drove many to copy it, and now it's design elements are in a huge amount of games coming out. I'm pretty done with soulslikes, they were kind of a fad, at least for me. Never all that hard, but fun for a bit. Now it's like, "oh great, another of those" whenever one gets announced lol. After going through ER and realizing that i'm still just hitting circle to phase through boss attacks, idk man, not really feeling it anymore. Definitely ready for something new to come along
My problem is the stiffness being implemented in other games
You move slow asf:
God of war
Star wars fallen order
@@deeeeeeznutz
yeah that's part of it, i prefer games with lots of moving parts going fast, (doom eternal, bullet hells, rhythm games etc), and Souls is like the antithesis to that, very slow, very methodical, and this stuff creeping into other action games is unfortunate imo
@@KatNoirZGK ☝️I completely agree
miyazaki game help improve my tolerance against difficult game 😂
darksouls even demon souls made hold companies to a higher standard so now i just dont blindly say something is good when its not
As for other games. They were ruined before I found dark souls
Miyazaki considers Elden Ring to be the best representation of the game he always wanted to make (so far). It has almost everything, the immersion is on another level. The game would receive high praise even if it wasn't more challenging than most other games.
Souls games don't provide a challenge for the sake of being challenging. The challenge merely serves the plot, it weaves through the protagonist's journey. The challenge is a building block for the story that players are meant to experience.
Souls games heavily emphasize the art of sound, music, visuals and unique characters, all for the purpose of immersive story telling. The story is the point.
Elden Ring is by no means a perfect game. It has shortcomings just like any other game. What makes it stand out above all the other games is that its strong points cover for its weak points. The game is so good that people are willing to forgive the bad. It's so good that people forget that there are bad things in the game.
Other games fail to accomplish this. They're smooth, they're well crafted, they're polished, and yet they fail to grab people's soul.
It really showed me what I value in games now both from a narrative perspective and just how I as the player like to be treated. Like it seemed weird to me how basic some intructions in some games are yet have themes that are very adult orintated themes like war
Yes it did to me!!!!! The climb never ends!
there is certainly a bit of a cult arround formsoft games being leagues above everything else, when i played elden ring i did havea come to god moment of "shit this is great", but despite that my favourite franchise and game is Horizon Forbbiden West, one that has been specially shat on by frmosoft loyalists, but it is what it is.
Since i played the Souls Trilogy and bloodborn i started disliking other games that suddenly tried to do similar combat systems , becauce i allways compared them to the souls games which are they allways superior in my mind
Examples:new God of war, jedi fallen order ,Nioh and others
I only play ds3 now 😂
And yes, these games can definitely help people overcome defeatism.
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Dark souls just better 😁
Yes, Dark Souls ruined other games for me. Fromsoftware gameplay is so good that nothing else give the same amount of fun and satisfaction.
i mean they raised the bar for what games should be in a time when games were slacking and becoming nothing more than casual BS. now dont get me wrong, i love some casual games but ALL OF THEM were becoming CASUAL and easy and then you get microtransactions to make the game even EASIER and more CASUAL? yeah that sucks and is a no from me lol but dark souls said fug that, we're going old school NES megaman 2 on everyone this time and im glad they did.
i LOVE how hard dark souls is, i LOVE the challenge of it. did i take 7 days and rage cried to defeat the nameless king? yes but i would i do it again? yes lol. the feeling when finally beating that POS was glorious.
dark souls didn't ruin other games. those games ruined themselves by becoming lazy and complicit because of the industry becoming casual. dark souls jolted them the fug awake, dark souls reminded those games what gaming was fugging ABOUT. first dark souls raised the standard and then recently baulders gate 3 did.
to certain people its possible that yes, dark souls did ruin other games for them but thats not dark souls issue, thats the persons issue. no reason you can't enjoy both dark souls and mysims, its just a mood thing. you're not gunna wanna fight a difficult boss every day, some days you just wanna sit there and relax and build a house or something so you play minecraft instead or whatever, sims.
dakr souls put everyone on their toes and it was needed. like i said before the gaming world got too soft, too casual. it needed a jolt and it got it with the soulsborne games. see back in the day we were limited when it came to making games so people had to be creative. you had to make sure people got their monies worth so while the game might have had only 4 levels, those levels were close to impossible to beat and it was because of memory limits n what not. eventually it got to the point where we could finally make legit games. games that weren't only 4 levels long and basically impossible but games that told an actual story and gave us feelings and emotions, gaming became a true experience finally and not something to pass the time. but eventually we got comfortable with how "easy" making a game was. we took advantage of the graphics and all the memory the systems had and we went from a fun challenge to a just a weird interactive story. games are meant to be played and not just READ. i give the MGS series an exception though because those games stories are actually deep AF so most of the game just being story is fine when it comes to MGS lol.
i think the perfect time in gaming was maybe ps1/ps2 era. we got games that were fun and challenging but also gave us story and characters finally. for example tomb raider. it gave us gradually difficult gameplay with a minor story. we weren't just playing some pixel person with just a name, now its almost a real PERSON, with a personality and backstory n what not.
ok i got off topic there kinda but my point remains that dark souls didn't ruin gaming, it revived it.
man i remember when demons souls came out, i was with my ex at the time and he bought a ps3 just for that game and i dont blame him lol. he got the special edition that came with that book? shetty thing though is that first batch of books were badly made so it fell apart n what not easily. whats funny is i was the first one to play it and i picked a mage and hes like "this game isn't like normal games, you're gunna die as a mage" and im like "yeah yeah i know" and i go in and get killed by the skeleton and i was like "ok im done" lol. i watched him play it and i helped him and it was fun, it was so fugging fun. it felt like back in the day when you and your friends bought a new SNES game and you slept over and were up all night helping each other beat it.....the game not each other omg lol. anyways when demons souls came out everyone was in an uproar over it. most people loved it but of course you had the people crying at its difficulty. im usually someone who plays on casual mode but i was salivating at the chance to play the game more. i WANTED to be "punished" by the game. i WANTED to learn from my mistakes. i CRAVED learning! and dark souls gave me that.
no longer were the days of mindlessly slashing at the enemy and quickly defeating them and moving forward without a scratch! now were the days of paying attention, where each move could be countered so you better watch out! no more could you mindlessly run in and expect to win, now you had to slow walk in, stop, look around, and hope nothing happens. while we still mostly spam R1, thats not the issue, the enemies are smarter, they know you're just spamming it so they counter it which AGAIN is why you have to pay attention! its like dark souls is a game! casual games really are like playing with god mode on and i should know, i use god mode a lot because i have 6 dogs and i have to get up randomly and sometimes i cant pause or im in a game that can't be paused...LIKE DARK SOUSL! lol. with dark souls i just turn on god mode when i had to get up. even then i can be pushed off a cliff and die and its happened too. i dont like doing it but i also dont like being killed because i have to deal with reality for a moment.
Not Dark Souls but Sekiro kinda ruined quick sword combat in other games tbh
It did for me . All I play is souls games now . Nothing is as rewarding as beating a boss .other games are just boring now
No, while I love souls game, I would sacrifice all of fromsoftware to get my hands on GTA 6 or RDR3 right now.
yes
If there's no challenge in a video game it becomes more of a passive experience. Which can be boring. Dark Souls asks more of the player. Bigger hurdle, bigger reward. It's easy, then, to become hooked on the challenge. Other games need to have the right atmosphere (be that through sound, story, quirky gameplay, etc.) to remain enjoyable. Super relatable video
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nah
Why is souls community so pretentious. Just a mid gaming experience, along with a perfect and unique artistic experience.