@coltonbradley9293 it already got box breathing which does more and stays for all shots and doesn't ramp up now adding another damage perk would make it broken btw no joke but rather it get something special or new I'm not for sure unless if they take away triple tap and give it 4rth time but who knows
It’s been buffed, the damage should close to what it originally was, and the blanket GL/RL reserve applied to it as well. The real question is: is that still good enough with the power creeped world we live in now?
Yeah I'm curious what this means, since this stuff has the potential to overshadow anything that's not a god roll coming up. Hopefully we're getting a lot of interesting new perks.
It’s 2024 - 6 Guardians are fighting the Megamind. Warlock is using Sunbracers and a Trace Rifle. Hunters are using Celestial Nighthawk and Midnight Coup. Titans are using Burning Maul as their super. The group is discussing which option to use for DPS - Apex Predator or Edge Transit. What a weird Meta we are…
@@syd6654 to be fair, crafted tyranny of heaven with draginfly and incandescent is shockingly amazing, and I wasnt a bow guy before, I reccomend it if you havent tried it before
Idk hung jury is the only scout rifle where I consistently get hate mail for using it regardless of it having box breathing or not (I have an EP and box adept)
You can name scout rifles, but I dunno about iconic. Ask people about Autos, we got a list. Ask people about Pusles, we got a list. Ask people about SMGs, we got a list. Ask people about Hand Cannons, we got 2 lists and some will still get left out lol. Ask people about Scouts. . . Hung Jury is the only one with name recognition. I'll give you Vouchsafe, Doom of Chelchis, and Trustee. But I'm drawing a blank on the other 6.
They didn't bring back Palindrome for the same reason the didn't bring back Kindled Orchid, too many hand cannon options and they needed to limit themselves. I would have preferred to see either a season of the dawn weapon or another weapon from the black armory.
@@nefien7342 going purple allowed to be on parody with other post taken King weapons, and have more perks I believe. Also don't want a blue weapon at the top of weapon usage. I will say near the end it didn't feel as good y1.
Remember they also said that you can get double perks in the third AND fourth columns meaning that you could potentially roll a vorpal/frenzy, chain reaction + surrounded/whirlwind/B&S/Logic, eager edge all enhanceable in tfs... oh sweet Neptune
Yeah that's the only real issue I have with the choices they made. I'm happy they brought it back with Box Breathing at least, but it's just an odd one considering it so recently was obtainable by everyone from the nightfall, whereas at least the raid weapons are gated by needing to do a raid, if you even have the dlc they're from in the first place.
Time gated releases is a big L on an otherwise great update. Especially when you consider each weapon release will have less time to farm a limited edition roll.
@davidenriquez4582 No, only half of the weapons are available at release. The remaining will be released one per week. While the weapons will be farmable after Final Shape, the ornaments will go away. This also means less time to farm regular weapon rolls before Final Shape, and the limited edition ornament rolls, which appear to all be double perk rolls.
@@MetalOWLD2-lt7iothe first 6 are released april 9, then the other 6 are released one weapon a week for 6 weeks. So at the end the final weapon you will only have 2 weeks to farm
Being "the best" of a sad archetype doesn't mean much. LMGs have no real reason to exist since Bungie wants to focus them on add-clear and doesn't let them be good at boss DPS for very long when it does happen.
As a pve pulse rifle enjoyer I'm looking to get my hands on an Elsie's rifle with rewind rounds and destabilizing rounds, also if scouts ever get good for once a kinetic tremors firefly role doesn't sound to bad either
I'm happy I'm not the only one looking forward to Elsie's Rifle. Between wanting to try more pulses in PvP and loving them in PvE (no matter what my fireteam says), I wouldn't mind ballin' with the OG legendary NTTE. Plus, this is the only pulse in the game with Repulsor Brase/Destabilizing Rounds, so of course I'm making a run for it on day 1 with Edge Transit.
I missed the Black Armory weapons so much, and while we aren't getting Spiteful Fang, Kindled Orchid (missed opportunity btw, loved having rampage/kill clip on mine), or No Feelings (don't ask, I never got one and I really want it), Blast Furnace alone really sells it for me. That thing was my *best friend* in my early days alongside that bow and hand cannon, all the way up until the Black Armory was sunset. I'd probably do anything to get the rest of the weapons back. I don't care if they're bad, those guns and I have an unbreakable bond! I will *never* dismantle the ones I have!
Imo blast furnace should be A tier minimum because it’s gonna be REALLY good in PvE. It and new hung jury are the first weapons that can roll a kinetic tremors in the 3rd column, I’m going for this with one for all for, and hung jury with precision instruments. As someone who wasn’t interested in kinetic tremors on anything before, now that it’s in the 3rd column I’m very excited for it.
Honestly, I understand y'all complaints about Hung Jury, but I would recommend trying out rewind + explosive payload, could lead to infinite ammo, and if there's a anti champ mod for scouts, such as overload or unstop, you could theoretically stun them over and over again... Though I also want to try out kinetic tremors + explosive payload on both Hung Jury and Midnight Coup... Midnight for me is just a kinetic SunShot whilst Hung is probably going to ball gm content, if it gets a champ mod in TFS...
BrayTech MK.II? (legendary Polaris Lance) Never heard of it. We got something better! We got….Jung Hury (we got tons! Please, just take some; We have too many!)
The list is ok... The only issue it's Hung jury and Midnight Coup should be both S tier, just for a simple reason... Explosive payload doubles the amount of hits, so the weapons will take half of the hits required to proc kinetic tremors (from 6 to 3, and from 5 to still 3 when it will be enanched) So yeah... Big big mistake from you overlooking this... Kinetic tremors it's one of the strongest perks in high end pve as it lets you cheap away orange bars and even champions (especially with HC with their huge damage to champions) and it also helps a lot with add clear, without needing a kill to proc the perk.
@@zachcunningham9054 I'm not trying to act cool, actually I am trying to write in another language (which is not my mother language) without using translators. Next time try to say something useful instead of acting like a kid
There aren't any weapons in the game right now with that perk combination so we don't actually know if that's the case. I think a firefly + one for all is gonna be great. permanent 35% damage with constant explosions and fast reload speed sounds fantastic imo
Luna's howl, recluse, and mountaintop are the first three I'm hard farming, after that I'll try to pickup a good hammerhead and edge transit but those three weapons are gonna be glorious
I also wasn't too excited for Hung Jury but...that kinetic tremors and precision instrument combo could be fire in pve. 6 shots to trigger tremors and 6 precision shots in a row for 20% damage bonus that applies to the tremors.
After using the competetive pulse rifle, i think four-bursts have their place if their stability is focused on. Landing all four shots can be messy but since they make all the comp weapons stat monsters its like a laser that kills in like two shots.
Look, I understand that hung jury may be here for the billionth time, but explosive and kinetic tremors on a scout means you can fight from litterally anywhere and still do well (I've been enjoying imperative with triple tap and kinetic for this reason). I think getting a scout with this perk combo will do great in high end content where you can sit back, and midnight coup with the same perks for when youre a little closer, as 140 HC's hit harder.
I never thought I would say this. I swear this is the last thing I would have expected to ever say: After trying various top tier perk combos, both Recluse and Mountaintop could use a buff in PvP. Especially Mountaintop.
Honestly, I think you may be underrating Succession in PvE a bit with how hard Recombination can slap a champion in that type of content. You Sunshot / Trinity / Graviton around, stun a champ, then lay into it with a max Recombination round and a rocket, champ’s probably nuked at that point. Also (for the same reason I want Recombination Mountaintop) it’s a great lead into damage phases involving Bait and Switch weapons, just at longer ranges than Mountaintop (not sure which slaps harder of the two prior to damage testing)
Recomb mountain top… mountain top in general is going to be cracked and I’m here for it. That was the pinnacle weapon I rocked for the forsaken era. Leaving it on A teir was a mistake especially when bequest will still be better than falling guillotine.
@@Tigerwarrior200 bequest pulls 1.55 on surrounded , b&s frenzy vortex is around 1.45 , i see it as a nice upgrade over normal vortex 1.3 ( both b&s and whiralwind is close )
Midnight Coup and Hung Jury being able to roll Explosive Payload + Kinetic Tremors means that KT will proc in 3 shots on both weapons. They will both be S-Tier PvE weapons.
strangers rifle is also interesting because it can roll repulsor brace destabilizing rounds, which i dont think we have on a longer range primary, only specials and smgs up to this point. so something to keep in mind for things like gms where you need longer range guns.
12:18 Bungie probably only put Hung Jury in as a way for players who don’t regularly do nightfalls to get one. However, Hung Jury has already been reissued 3-4 times now and I already have a god roll that is better than anything the brave version has to offer because mine is adept. Honestly, Bungie should have picked a different scout rifle. My top three choices would have been No Feelings, Patron of Lost Causes, or Oxygen SR3.
@@jordanreavis8163 It wasn’t really that much of an impressive perk so I think it would be fine if they removed it and just gave the Oxygen random rolls.
Yeah, this is why I recommend everyone trying what they can. Form their own opinions. Some choices here left me scratching my head lol. Oh well, we all have opinions. Unfortunately 😂
Yeah, this is why I recommend everyone trying what they can. Form their own opinions. Some choices here left me scratching my head lol. Oh well, we all have opinions. Unfortunately 😂
Master Of Arms would also feedback into Mountaintop with that Recombination roll. Mountaintop and Recluse look to be the same godly duo they were before
As a pve player, I'm very interested in kinetic tremors and one for all on blast furnace, but ultimately I'm just overjoyed that Hammerhead is back lol
I have some Hung Jury's already but im intrested in the kinetic tremors explosive payload roll as its the first time its obtainable like that. Recluse for me is a must off of pure feel, have yet to find a void smg that feels like recluse in PvE, that and Hammerhead.
@@ilredelnulla9837 No it really isn't. Snipers aren't even good for dps in the first place. If you were to use one for whatever reason supremacy and volta bracket are both better. The succession from into the light isnt even meaningfully different from the one in the raid. So if you are already an end game player than this one is of little importance.
@@Thotacus the best snipers for dps are supremacy and succession, volta maybe 3rd but not better than succession since it does a lot less damage per shot, obv atm the only sniper you use in pve for dps rotations is izanagi for avg players don't know what a dps rotation is
@@ilredelnulla9837 Again no. Volta is also better than succession for dps and total damage. No debate to be had just a fact of the game. So there's that.
Back in the day I used to play Gambit a LOT. I was the designated invader. I had a max range Blast Furnace that had headseeker, and I could 2 burst people from a different time zone. I am going to be going for one again, I miss that thing.
Idk why I haven’t seen people freaking out over subsistence and magnificent howl. If I’m thinking right, then you might be able to have endless magnificent howl bullets in at level content like raids and dungeons. Bummer about hung jury coming back for the 1000th time, but enhanced box breathing on it might be insane once the final shape drops
Forbearance: Demo, Wellspring or Chainreaction with the origin trait could be good for ability regen. Succession: Discord, Recombination would be good for a Stacking buff to burst majors without spending ammo. Fallen Guillotine: Vorpal, Frenzy with Surrounded, Bait and Switch. Midnight Coup: Explosive Payload, Shoot to Loot with Kinetic Tremors, One for All. Explosive could good for both Kinetic Tremors might proc with less shots, Shoot to Loot Kinetic is a classic, Explosive and One for All is just damage. Recluse: Repulsor Brace and Destabilizing Rounds. Subsistence and Master of Arm. Mountain Top: Auto-Loading and Frenzy or Recombination. Edge Transit: Cascade Point and Bait and Switch. Though Chain Reaction and Deconstruct could be interesting for add clear, could possibly make an infinite ammo heavy. Hammer-Head: Rampage and Killing-Tally or Onslaught. Destabilizing Rounds could be interesting instead of Rampage. Blast Furnace: Kinetic Tremors and One for All. Luna's Howl: Heal Clip or Subsistence and Incandescent or Heal Clip Magnificent Howl. Hung Jury: Kinetic Tremors, Explosive Rounds or One for All. Same reasons as Midnight Coup. Elsie's Pulse: Repulsor Brace and Desperate Measures or Destabilizing Rounds. Alot of interesting rolls on these weapons. Trying to get unique rolls on the returning raid weapons.
I would say recluse is gonna be high a low s tier since you can get a 30% dmg bonus (10%dmg bonus from weapon kills and 20% from melee/grenade kills THAT STACKS) from desperate measures so i see substance+ desperate measures being a goto roll
We should've gotten Martyr's Retribution honestly than Dollar Store Forebearance aka Threebearance, even if the perks become enhaceable when FS drops it doesn't have VoW's origin trait which just makes this new version weaker than the other sure you could run healing nades on a character, but that's a few seconds you aren't mopping out ads while with the raid version you can continue to clear ads as you continously get healed.
Mountaintop is S tier. The rocket jumping will make it so you can skip certain jumping puzzles, the damage is amazing, so it will probably get put with swap rotations, the blast damage feels like it’s not as good, but is definitely S tier. Really wish FG would have eager in 3 so I could have surrounded and eager
Destiny 2 Players: We don't like slop! Bungie: Here's some recycled slop! Destiny 2 Players: 😁Thanks Papa Bungie! We love guns we already had with slightly different textures and perk pools! 😁
Yes we do like these weapons. Them being reissued merely means we have sentimental attachments already and the perk options are best in slot. Stop bitching ffs
Blast Furnace is my all time favorite PvP weapon, and one of my favorite weapons ever. I grinded HARD for my Feeding Frenzy/Kill Clip god roll, and only Bungie deletting Destiny 2 completely will get rid of that thing from my vault. I have let my hopes get high that the reissue will be as good, despite your B rating (lol). There are going to be so many good roll combos to try out.
As someone whos hasn't been able to do raids since eater of worlds i am excited for succession and forbearance but also I miss midnight coup so much. And then Luna's Howl is also top of my list Also time gated realease is whatever. Gives us time to farm with a smaller loot pool
Just going thru your video about rolls and at the guillotine part I have Vorpal/Whirlwind, Surrounded/Frenzy, Bait and Switch/Vorpal, Bait and Switch/ Relentless. Which are not the special versions but still work all the same lol
So glad I went for Eager + Cold for a skating utility sword. Falling Guillotine 2.0 is much better as a DPS Vortex frame, if every Vortex frames become relevant again. Seriously, 6 ammo for that charged heavy? Why. Also I love how Apex Predator and Edge Transit are going to be go-to DPS options for TFS. If someone told me that when these weapons first came out I would have called them crazy.
We know explosive payload and Timed payload register as 2 separate shots due to the way they are coded. Works with rewind rounds (last wish scout), zen moment (nameless midnight), and overload rounds. Keep an eye out, if it doesnt proc kinetic tremors ill be shocked
There's so many other weapons that I would have rather seen than Hung Jury. Ringing Nail, No Feelings, Dust Rock Blues, Chroma Rush, 21%Delerium, FILO, etc.
I don't know why the raid copers are claiming that forbearance can't roll with chain reaction/ambitious assassin. They obviously didn't read the TWAB you show here that came out an hour after the stream on the same day. The brave succession and forbearance can absolutely roll with their god rolls. Despite forbearance having an adept version and both being craftable. They even gave away the first few DLC's on epic last christmas. So the "encouraging to buy DLC's" argument is also invalidated. HUNG JURY is the one I get my boxers in a twist over. I have two different god roll adept versions from the last two years + god rolls of the normal versions as well. Fuck off with this one. I want 21% delerium over this because bungo is ignoring how good subsistence is on a machine gun and not having any decent legendary arc machine guns. Reconstruction should act more like subsistence instead of a long ass reload time for what? double sized mags at best after 5 minutes of not using the weapon (it should get rampage x3 for 10 seconds if you wait that long)? I can just outright not have to reload while using my unwavering duty adept with subsistence incandescent. Hammerhead having double damage perks is redundant when You can craft enhanced subsistence + enhanced Killing tally on commemmoration, which is also a void LMG. This playerbase is the worst and absolutely gets what they deserve: Bungo's apathy and a "fuck you pay me more for less" attitude. They are the most antisocial pricks I have ever met and would sooner kick you or leave than actually communicate with anyone outside of their IRL friend group and acting like they are too good to talk to you in activites like raids. Where LFG is largely cliques of assholes who sure aren't going to invite you into their friend group no matter how good you are at the raid, or antisocial assholes looking for a carry and will quit at the first wipe. Even if you've completed 90% of the raid in 1 go. I have surely never met a single friend from this game and anyone who claims they did is trolling and brazenly lying. As for the streamers? no shit asking them in chat if the game is worth playing, they will always tell you YES unless its the cool thing of the day to say NO over some manufactured petty grievance while playing the game themselves anyway. Because this is their fucking livelihood and they are all two faced hypocrites like Aztecross and Datto.
tbh you should be ranking these based on their power within their respective roles/archetype. As a dps sniper Succession is one of the best out there and if the meta ever shifts towards a sniper meta it will be good to have in your inventory.
Midnight Coup. Firefly/One for All (roughly equal damage to Rampage, doesn't need kills, longer duration). Absolutely my most hyped weapon in ITL, I need it so badly. Going to replace my fatebringer, esp since it's got an origin trait that reportedly gives ~5% grenade/melee energy. Also auto loading + recombination mountaintop looks like the fucking SEX for GMs where I don't need a champ stunning weapon in kinetic slot. Overall I think it can be safely said that ITL is far, far more than anyone was expecting from supposedly a 'light-level & story catch-up' update. Looks absolutely fantastic, multiple meta shakeup weapons, new ritual activity people have asked for for YEARS. At this point, people that are actively complaining more than praising this event are explicitly destructive & malicious towards Bungie, I'm convinced.
Eager Edge + Cold Steel has PvP utility, but the reason you stated is exactly why they didn't showcase the weapons. They have to keep you on that hamster wheel.
My favorite thing about these weapons is that it seems like all of these guns have good perk pops that there’s no one set perfect god roll for PvE on quite a few of them. For me I want Repulsor Brace + Master of Arms Recluse and that should work really well on my hunter
I know Aegis is hyped for Demo on Forbearance, but without Souldrinker it just isn't as godly. Also never gonna stop malding at Hung Jury agaaaaain, when we could have had Oxygen, or Breachlight, or Dust Rock Blues. Also also, very interested in Luna's Howl for PVE with Subsistence or Discord with Magnificent Howl.
I agree with this tier list 100% most excited for Elsie’s rifle for sure. When NTTE came out in D1, I always thought strangers rifle was better (and it was just a rare gun) lol
If I get a god roll edge transit with the new shiny skin, its just going straight to my vault where I'll promptly forget about it. I've always hated Heavy GLs in D2, minus one or 2, so I dont see any reason to change my mind. With the whole, "well I guess we have to put a scout rifle in here somewhere" joke, I'm still bummed they have 3 different GL (dont get me wrong i want deliverance and mountain top) but I was really hoping for Breachlighy or at least another 2 burst side arm.
I cant wait to get lunas howl. Jurassic green with hc+incandescent is one of my most used weapons, so having then enhanced on a handcannon is gonna be incredible
That drip feed crap they pulled shows that they are the same ol bungie. They’re never going to change. Their constant push for player retainment is causing more resentment.
I'm most excited about Luna's Howl (wish it was Not Forgotten but I'm still glad Luna's is back) I got Luna's Howl the season the infamous nerf to both weapons happened so I was never able to experience Mag Howl at its full power, and while it will never be the same, I do like that it's like the hawk-awesome which is my favorite exotic handcannon, so a legendary energy counterpart is really enticing me. Everything else is kinda on the back burner for me except maybe mountaintop for pvp. I wanna see what I can do with that extra momentum it seems to give. I'm still gonna grind out almost everything I can but Luna's and maybe Mountaintop are my top picks
I haven’t heard anyone else mention it, but I want a recluse with frenzy and repulsor brace, as a voidlock main at heart, having frenzy which makes every weapon feel amazing, as well as repulsor at the same time, sign me up immediately
Now all we need is an anarchy buff and we back to the og loadout
Hopefully we get whisper with precision instrument. If that happens than whisper recluse and mountaintop will be goated.
Yea I think it's good now not op we alright
@coltonbradley9293 it already got box breathing which does more and stays for all shots and doesn't ramp up now adding another damage perk would make it broken btw no joke but rather it get something special or new I'm not for sure unless if they take away triple tap and give it 4rth time but who knows
Anarchy seems to be in a pretty good spot right now
It’s been buffed, the damage should close to what it originally was, and the blanket GL/RL reserve applied to it as well.
The real question is: is that still good enough with the power creeped world we live in now?
This kind of “fuck it” attitude they’ve approached with these weapons makes me hopeful of what the loot will look like in TFS
I agree they should have dropped the f-it attitude and brought back either the No-Feelings, the Oxygen SR3 or 14:26 the Cryptic Dragon from Destiny 1
Yeah I'm curious what this means, since this stuff has the potential to overshadow anything that's not a god roll coming up. Hopefully we're getting a lot of interesting new perks.
Release power crept weapons > buff enemies > watch old weapons get dismantled > sunsetting achieved.
Yeah they’ve absolutely done some craftening shit on these weapons
@@Wildcard120they bring the most iconic and fan favorite weapons back
Is it so hard to understand ?
It’s 2024 - 6 Guardians are fighting the Megamind. Warlock is using Sunbracers and a Trace Rifle. Hunters are using Celestial Nighthawk and Midnight Coup. Titans are using Burning Maul as their super.
The group is discussing which option to use for DPS - Apex Predator or Edge Transit.
What a weird Meta we are…
don't forget some people are using bows
@@syd6654 to be fair, crafted tyranny of heaven with draginfly and incandescent is shockingly amazing, and I wasnt a bow guy before, I reccomend it if you havent tried it before
IVE BEEN USING HEIR APPARENT AND OUT DPSING MY ENTIRE TEAM.
MY EARDRUMS DONT WORK
Sword logic on Guillotine makes a lot of sense. Nice touch bungie
I can think of like 9 more iconic scout rifles than Hung Jury
Ringing nail my beloved
@@fluke7506that’s an auto bruh
Idk hung jury is the only scout rifle where I consistently get hate mail for using it regardless of it having box breathing or not (I have an EP and box adept)
You can name scout rifles, but I dunno about iconic.
Ask people about Autos, we got a list.
Ask people about Pusles, we got a list.
Ask people about SMGs, we got a list.
Ask people about Hand Cannons, we got 2 lists and some will still get left out lol.
Ask people about Scouts. . . Hung Jury is the only one with name recognition. I'll give you Vouchsafe, Doom of Chelchis, and Trustee. But I'm drawing a blank on the other 6.
@@DPantherful1 How about Randy's Throwing Knife and Treads Upon Stars?
I also feel like they could've taken this opportunity to bring back Palindrome in place of Hung Jury
I came back to d2 the week after they rook palindrome out, and I'm still mad about it
@@decoyhunter8832fomo
Man been wanting that and shadow price to make a come back with new perks
They didn't bring back Palindrome for the same reason the didn't bring back Kindled Orchid, too many hand cannon options and they needed to limit themselves.
I would have preferred to see either a season of the dawn weapon or another weapon from the black armory.
nah, Oxygen SR3 with an updated Meganeura perk would have made the most sense.
Year 1 of D1; the blue version of the Strangers Rifle was one of the best guns in the game, don't sleep on it.
I don't ever remember there being a rare version, yeah there was the legendary one but I don't remember the rare one.
@@AtlasofSol If I remember correctly, with the release of Taken King the blue variant got turned into a purple one. No clue why they did it though.
@@nefien7342 going purple allowed to be on parody with other post taken King weapons, and have more perks I believe. Also don't want a blue weapon at the top of weapon usage. I will say near the end it didn't feel as good y1.
@@Sir_Powder So that's the reason. Never knew about it. Thanks for explaining it.
Remember they also said that you can get double perks in the third AND fourth columns meaning that you could potentially roll a vorpal/frenzy, chain reaction + surrounded/whirlwind/B&S/Logic, eager edge all enhanceable in tfs... oh sweet Neptune
fortunately, the frame's ass for anything but well lining bequest is still better
Missed opportunity to reintroduce the Oxygen SR4. It barely got time to shine and meganeura was a really cool concept for a perk.
SR3*!
Why is hung jury coming back again…
Yeah that's the only real issue I have with the choices they made. I'm happy they brought it back with Box Breathing at least, but it's just an odd one considering it so recently was obtainable by everyone from the nightfall, whereas at least the raid weapons are gated by needing to do a raid, if you even have the dlc they're from in the first place.
Hung jury coming back for the 3rd time but im still waiting on palindrome🥲
@@danielwilson3225 that’s what I’m saying
Bring Taniks back as a gun.
It’s free content homie you can’t have everything lmao
Time gated releases is a big L on an otherwise great update. Especially when you consider each weapon release will have less time to farm a limited edition roll.
But only for the gun skin shader right?
@davidenriquez4582 yes I perfer normal look anyway this is here to stay and not going away
What kind of timegate do you mean? "
@davidenriquez4582 No, only half of the weapons are available at release. The remaining will be released one per week. While the weapons will be farmable after Final Shape, the ornaments will go away. This also means less time to farm regular weapon rolls before Final Shape, and the limited edition ornament rolls, which appear to all be double perk rolls.
@@MetalOWLD2-lt7ioonly 6 weapons will be available when the update releases. The rest will release one gun at a time each week
Imagine midnight coup is the last weapon to release in the timegated schedule I swear sometimes they don’t know how to read a room.
Gotta put on the time…
What timegate shedule?
@@MetalOWLD2-lt7iothe first 6 are released april 9, then the other 6 are released one weapon a week for 6 weeks. So at the end the final weapon you will only have 2 weeks to farm
@@ChickenJoe2.5that’s bungo for you
@@ChickenJoe2.52 weeks to farm to shiny one, not the weapon in general.
Hammerhead not being S tier is wild, the perk combos on it are busted and make it the best MG by far
Doesn't really matter when nearly no one uses MGs.
Being "the best" of a sad archetype doesn't mean much. LMGs have no real reason to exist since Bungie wants to focus them on add-clear and doesn't let them be good at boss DPS for very long when it does happen.
You don’t need double damage perks on an lmg, I’d rather run commemoration with reconstruction
For real.
As a pve pulse rifle enjoyer I'm looking to get my hands on an Elsie's rifle with rewind rounds and destabilizing rounds, also if scouts ever get good for once a kinetic tremors firefly role doesn't sound to bad either
It can also get replusor though for over shields.
@@theveryamericaneagle3657 true
I'm happy I'm not the only one looking forward to Elsie's Rifle.
Between wanting to try more pulses in PvP and loving them in PvE (no matter what my fireteam says), I wouldn't mind ballin' with the OG legendary NTTE.
Plus, this is the only pulse in the game with Repulsor Brase/Destabilizing Rounds, so of course I'm making a run for it on day 1 with Edge Transit.
I missed the Black Armory weapons so much, and while we aren't getting Spiteful Fang, Kindled Orchid (missed opportunity btw, loved having rampage/kill clip on mine), or No Feelings (don't ask, I never got one and I really want it), Blast Furnace alone really sells it for me. That thing was my *best friend* in my early days alongside that bow and hand cannon, all the way up until the Black Armory was sunset. I'd probably do anything to get the rest of the weapons back. I don't care if they're bad, those guns and I have an unbreakable bond! I will *never* dismantle the ones I have!
Hung JURY should've been in F for "Fine, we get it already!"
Guns aren't even out, yet fallout is already there with a tierlist of all of them
Turns out Hung Jury with KT & EP is pretty darn good in PvE high end content. Yep, pretty darn good.
Ngl i had a mimi heart attack of excitement when i saw hammer head in the trailer black armory forever!
desperately wish they had added Oxygen SR3 instead of Hung Jury, mega firefly would’ve been so fun reworked
Props for being able to say Rewind Rounds clearly!
Imo blast furnace should be A tier minimum because it’s gonna be REALLY good in PvE. It and new hung jury are the first weapons that can roll a kinetic tremors in the 3rd column, I’m going for this with one for all for, and hung jury with precision instruments. As someone who wasn’t interested in kinetic tremors on anything before, now that it’s in the 3rd column I’m very excited for it.
Honestly, I understand y'all complaints about Hung Jury, but I would recommend trying out rewind + explosive payload, could lead to infinite ammo, and if there's a anti champ mod for scouts, such as overload or unstop, you could theoretically stun them over and over again...
Though I also want to try out kinetic tremors + explosive payload on both Hung Jury and Midnight Coup...
Midnight for me is just a kinetic SunShot whilst Hung is probably going to ball gm content, if it gets a champ mod in TFS...
Keep in mind when they nerf Well of radiance and survivability in general surrounded will likely be a less popular option.
BrayTech MK.II? (legendary Polaris Lance)
Never heard of it. We got something better! We got….Jung Hury (we got tons! Please, just take some; We have too many!)
The list is ok... The only issue it's Hung jury and Midnight Coup should be both S tier, just for a simple reason... Explosive payload doubles the amount of hits, so the weapons will take half of the hits required to proc kinetic tremors (from 6 to 3, and from 5 to still 3 when it will be enanched)
So yeah... Big big mistake from you overlooking this... Kinetic tremors it's one of the strongest perks in high end pve as it lets you cheap away orange bars and even champions (especially with HC with their huge damage to champions) and it also helps a lot with add clear, without needing a kill to proc the perk.
Bro just said “Big, big mistake from you overlooking this.” likes he’s an actual anime villain 😂
@@zachcunningham9054 I'm not trying to act cool, actually I am trying to write in another language (which is not my mother language) without using translators.
Next time try to say something useful instead of acting like a kid
There aren't any weapons in the game right now with that perk combination so we don't actually know if that's the case. I think a firefly + one for all is gonna be great. permanent 35% damage with constant explosions and fast reload speed sounds fantastic imo
Can't wait to see your next few videos when you get these weapons and have tested them. Always loved your recommendations on rolls. ❤
bungie had the perfect opportunity to bring back old palindrome
Luna's howl, recluse, and mountaintop are the first three I'm hard farming, after that I'll try to pickup a good hammerhead and edge transit but those three weapons are gonna be glorious
Have a badddddddd feeling lunas gonna be one of the last to drop
I also wasn't too excited for Hung Jury but...that kinetic tremors and precision instrument combo could be fire in pve. 6 shots to trigger tremors and 6 precision shots in a row for 20% damage bonus that applies to the tremors.
Brother mountain with impulse + frenzy is gonna be wild. Nearly instant reload, fuck ton of handling and turbo fast missiles.
After using the competetive pulse rifle, i think four-bursts have their place if their stability is focused on. Landing all four shots can be messy but since they make all the comp weapons stat monsters its like a laser that kills in like two shots.
Look, I understand that hung jury may be here for the billionth time, but explosive and kinetic tremors on a scout means you can fight from litterally anywhere and still do well (I've been enjoying imperative with triple tap and kinetic for this reason). I think getting a scout with this perk combo will do great in high end content where you can sit back, and midnight coup with the same perks for when youre a little closer, as 140 HC's hit harder.
You diss Elsie’s rifle because no time to explain exists. I diss Elsie’s rifle because I play pve. We are not the same.
I got a hung jury with cascade point+ kinetic tremors and I’m hanging onto it for anti champ scout. It’s Kinda fun.
I never thought I would say this. I swear this is the last thing I would have expected to ever say:
After trying various top tier perk combos, both Recluse and Mountaintop could use a buff in PvP. Especially Mountaintop.
Honestly, I think you may be underrating Succession in PvE a bit with how hard Recombination can slap a champion in that type of content. You Sunshot / Trinity / Graviton around, stun a champ, then lay into it with a max Recombination round and a rocket, champ’s probably nuked at that point.
Also (for the same reason I want Recombination Mountaintop) it’s a great lead into damage phases involving Bait and Switch weapons, just at longer ranges than Mountaintop (not sure which slaps harder of the two prior to damage testing)
Recomb mountain top… mountain top in general is going to be cracked and I’m here for it. That was the pinnacle weapon I rocked for the forsaken era. Leaving it on A teir was a mistake especially when bequest will still be better than falling guillotine.
@@Tigerwarrior200 bequest pulls 1.55 on surrounded , b&s frenzy vortex is around 1.45 , i see it as a nice upgrade over normal vortex 1.3 ( both b&s and whiralwind is close )
Midnight Coup and Hung Jury being able to roll Explosive Payload + Kinetic Tremors means that KT will proc in 3 shots on both weapons. They will both be S-Tier PvE weapons.
strangers rifle is also interesting because it can roll repulsor brace destabilizing rounds, which i dont think we have on a longer range primary, only specials and smgs up to this point. so something to keep in mind for things like gms where you need longer range guns.
12:18 Bungie probably only put Hung Jury in as a way for players who don’t regularly do nightfalls to get one. However, Hung Jury has already been reissued 3-4 times now and I already have a god roll that is better than anything the brave version has to offer because mine is adept.
Honestly, Bungie should have picked a different scout rifle. My top three choices would have been No Feelings, Patron of Lost Causes, or Oxygen SR3.
I don't know what they could have done to meganeura though since it's strictly tied to dragonfly
@@jordanreavis8163 It wasn’t really that much of an impressive perk so I think it would be fine if they removed it and just gave the Oxygen random rolls.
I'm here to argue, and I haven't even gotten 30 seconds into the video yet!
Yeah, this is why I recommend everyone trying what they can. Form their own opinions. Some choices here left me scratching my head lol. Oh well, we all have opinions. Unfortunately 😂
Yeah, this is why I recommend everyone trying what they can. Form their own opinions. Some choices here left me scratching my head lol. Oh well, we all have opinions. Unfortunately 😂
Master Of Arms would also feedback into Mountaintop with that Recombination roll. Mountaintop and Recluse look to be the same godly duo they were before
As a pve player, I'm very interested in kinetic tremors and one for all on blast furnace, but ultimately I'm just overjoyed that Hammerhead is back lol
I'm just here cause I heard there was an argument. Let it fly boys!
I have some Hung Jury's already but im intrested in the kinetic tremors explosive payload roll as its the first time its obtainable like that. Recluse for me is a must off of pure feel, have yet to find a void smg that feels like recluse in PvE, that and Hammerhead.
No fusion rifles, honestly bummed. We get duplicates of others but not covering all types
putting succession on the c tier is the biggest non end game player take, is an a tier one of the best snipers
not for this it isn't
@@Thotacus is one of the best dps snipers lmfao
@@ilredelnulla9837 No it really isn't. Snipers aren't even good for dps in the first place. If you were to use one for whatever reason supremacy and volta bracket are both better. The succession from into the light isnt even meaningfully different from the one in the raid. So if you are already an end game player than this one is of little importance.
@@Thotacus the best snipers for dps are supremacy and succession, volta maybe 3rd but not better than succession since it does a lot less damage per shot, obv atm the only sniper you use in pve for dps rotations is izanagi for avg players don't know what a dps rotation is
@@ilredelnulla9837 Again no. Volta is also better than succession for dps and total damage. No debate to be had just a fact of the game. So there's that.
Magnificent Howl was sunset when Lucky Pants got its rework. With the new version of the perk, I’m interested in what it could do in PvE
Thank you for not simply reading it.
Back in the day I used to play Gambit a LOT. I was the designated invader.
I had a max range Blast Furnace that had headseeker, and I could 2 burst people from a different time zone. I am going to be going for one again, I miss that thing.
Idk why I haven’t seen people freaking out over subsistence and magnificent howl. If I’m thinking right, then you might be able to have endless magnificent howl bullets in at level content like raids and dungeons. Bummer about hung jury coming back for the 1000th time, but enhanced box breathing on it might be insane once the final shape drops
My only raid run, my only clear of DSC, gave me a Moving Target and Snapshot Succession.
Forbearance: Demo, Wellspring or Chainreaction with the origin trait could be good for ability regen.
Succession: Discord, Recombination would be good for a Stacking buff to burst majors without spending ammo.
Fallen Guillotine: Vorpal, Frenzy with Surrounded, Bait and Switch.
Midnight Coup: Explosive Payload, Shoot to Loot with Kinetic Tremors, One for All. Explosive could good for both Kinetic Tremors might proc with less shots, Shoot to Loot Kinetic is a classic, Explosive and One for All is just damage.
Recluse: Repulsor Brace and Destabilizing Rounds. Subsistence and Master of Arm.
Mountain Top: Auto-Loading and Frenzy or Recombination.
Edge Transit: Cascade Point and Bait and Switch. Though Chain Reaction and Deconstruct could be interesting for add clear, could possibly make an infinite ammo heavy.
Hammer-Head: Rampage and Killing-Tally or Onslaught. Destabilizing Rounds could be interesting instead of Rampage.
Blast Furnace: Kinetic Tremors and One for All.
Luna's Howl: Heal Clip or Subsistence and Incandescent or Heal Clip Magnificent Howl.
Hung Jury: Kinetic Tremors, Explosive Rounds or One for All. Same reasons as Midnight Coup.
Elsie's Pulse: Repulsor Brace and Desperate Measures or Destabilizing Rounds.
Alot of interesting rolls on these weapons. Trying to get unique rolls on the returning raid weapons.
Whirlwind blade better than bait and switch unless the DPS phase is short enough that you don't need to reproc multiple times
@julius7539 yeah bait and switch on swords kinda sucks.
Glad someone else saw the heal clip on Luna's and repulsor and destabilizing on Elsie's
I'm just pumped for elsie and hammerhead. Still got a god-roll hammer from my black armory days
I would say recluse is gonna be high a low s tier since you can get a 30% dmg bonus (10%dmg bonus from weapon kills and 20% from melee/grenade kills THAT STACKS) from desperate measures so i see substance+ desperate measures being a goto roll
I am stoked about Forbearance. Never got to run Vow because no one seems to want to run it
Cause it’s not a fun raid to teach even though it’s a fun raid to run
The troll on Elsie's is funny. Literally every perk that any pulse can roll with.
We should've gotten Martyr's Retribution honestly than Dollar Store Forebearance aka Threebearance, even if the perks become enhaceable when FS drops it doesn't have VoW's origin trait which just makes this new version weaker than the other sure you could run healing nades on a character, but that's a few seconds you aren't mopping out ads while with the raid version you can continue to clear ads as you continously get healed.
Mountaintop is S tier. The rocket jumping will make it so you can skip certain jumping puzzles, the damage is amazing, so it will probably get put with swap rotations, the blast damage feels like it’s not as good, but is definitely S tier. Really wish FG would have eager in 3 so I could have surrounded and eager
Destiny 2 Players: We don't like slop!
Bungie: Here's some recycled slop!
Destiny 2 Players: 😁Thanks Papa Bungie! We love guns we already had with slightly different textures and perk pools! 😁
Yes we do like these weapons. Them being reissued merely means we have sentimental attachments already and the perk options are best in slot. Stop bitching ffs
@pupperaccino this is why your favorite game has sucked ass for so long. Have some decency. You're part of the problem, you should at least do that.
Man this is going to get me to play destiny. I want every gun except for Hung Jury and Elsies rifle. So much farming in my future, man
Blast Furnace is my all time favorite PvP weapon, and one of my favorite weapons ever. I grinded HARD for my Feeding Frenzy/Kill Clip god roll, and only Bungie deletting Destiny 2 completely will get rid of that thing from my vault.
I have let my hopes get high that the reissue will be as good, despite your B rating (lol). There are going to be so many good roll combos to try out.
Blast with rampage/zen when One Eyed Mask first came out was my PvP peak lol. Was literally unstoppable at times
As someone whos hasn't been able to do raids since eater of worlds i am excited for succession and forbearance but also I miss midnight coup so much. And then Luna's Howl is also top of my list
Also time gated realease is whatever. Gives us time to farm with a smaller loot pool
Appreciate your personal thoughts on the rolls, excited to get to farming for the new goodness. I see some DPS testing in my future
I could taste the salt when you mentioned conditional finality 😂. Great video!
Shame they didn’t put blinding grenades on forbearance
Just going thru your video about rolls and at the guillotine part I have Vorpal/Whirlwind, Surrounded/Frenzy, Bait and Switch/Vorpal, Bait and Switch/ Relentless. Which are not the special versions but still work all the same lol
Hammerhead should be straight up in S tier, 65% damage increases for gm’s against champs is godtier and overall is extremely underrated
Whole heartedly expected you to get to hung jury and go "yep, it's back, again. D tier, moving on" lol
Literally the only ones I care about are Luna's howl amd Recluse
My first edge transit is envious assassin and bait and switch. Too bad I don't have spike grandes but after the nerf I'm happy with mag upgrades.
So glad I went for Eager + Cold for a skating utility sword. Falling Guillotine 2.0 is much better as a DPS Vortex frame, if every Vortex frames become relevant again. Seriously, 6 ammo for that charged heavy? Why.
Also I love how Apex Predator and Edge Transit are going to be go-to DPS options for TFS. If someone told me that when these weapons first came out I would have called them crazy.
Explosive Payload counts as 2 shots, so it'll proc Kinetic tremors twice as fast. It has the same effect With rewind rounds and overload minotaurs
Do we know that for sure? I don't think there are any EP + KT weapons in the game rn
We know explosive payload and Timed payload register as 2 separate shots due to the way they are coded. Works with rewind rounds (last wish scout), zen moment (nameless midnight), and overload rounds. Keep an eye out, if it doesnt proc kinetic tremors ill be shocked
There's so many other weapons that I would have rather seen than Hung Jury.
Ringing Nail, No Feelings, Dust Rock Blues, Chroma Rush, 21%Delerium, FILO, etc.
I don't know why the raid copers are claiming that forbearance can't roll with chain reaction/ambitious assassin. They obviously didn't read the TWAB you show here that came out an hour after the stream on the same day. The brave succession and forbearance can absolutely roll with their god rolls. Despite forbearance having an adept version and both being craftable. They even gave away the first few DLC's on epic last christmas. So the "encouraging to buy DLC's" argument is also invalidated.
HUNG JURY is the one I get my boxers in a twist over. I have two different god roll adept versions from the last two years + god rolls of the normal versions as well. Fuck off with this one. I want 21% delerium over this because bungo is ignoring how good subsistence is on a machine gun and not having any decent legendary arc machine guns. Reconstruction should act more like subsistence instead of a long ass reload time for what? double sized mags at best after 5 minutes of not using the weapon (it should get rampage x3 for 10 seconds if you wait that long)? I can just outright not have to reload while using my unwavering duty adept with subsistence incandescent. Hammerhead having double damage perks is redundant when You can craft enhanced subsistence + enhanced Killing tally on commemmoration, which is also a void LMG.
This playerbase is the worst and absolutely gets what they deserve: Bungo's apathy and a "fuck you pay me more for less" attitude. They are the most antisocial pricks I have ever met and would sooner kick you or leave than actually communicate with anyone outside of their IRL friend group and acting like they are too good to talk to you in activites like raids. Where LFG is largely cliques of assholes who sure aren't going to invite you into their friend group no matter how good you are at the raid, or antisocial assholes looking for a carry and will quit at the first wipe. Even if you've completed 90% of the raid in 1 go. I have surely never met a single friend from this game and anyone who claims they did is trolling and brazenly lying.
As for the streamers? no shit asking them in chat if the game is worth playing, they will always tell you YES unless its the cool thing of the day to say NO over some manufactured petty grievance while playing the game themselves anyway. Because this is their fucking livelihood and they are all two faced hypocrites like Aztecross and Datto.
tbh you should be ranking these based on their power within their respective roles/archetype. As a dps sniper Succession is one of the best out there and if the meta ever shifts towards a sniper meta it will be good to have in your inventory.
If cade 6 had a quest to add the not forgotten to the into the light loot pool after the final shape campaign... priceless
Can we use deepsight things on these weapons ? I really dont wanna do the raids again but want the guns unlocked
Midnight Coup. Firefly/One for All (roughly equal damage to Rampage, doesn't need kills, longer duration). Absolutely my most hyped weapon in ITL, I need it so badly. Going to replace my fatebringer, esp since it's got an origin trait that reportedly gives ~5% grenade/melee energy.
Also auto loading + recombination mountaintop looks like the fucking SEX for GMs where I don't need a champ stunning weapon in kinetic slot.
Overall I think it can be safely said that ITL is far, far more than anyone was expecting from supposedly a 'light-level & story catch-up' update. Looks absolutely fantastic, multiple meta shakeup weapons, new ritual activity people have asked for for YEARS.
At this point, people that are actively complaining more than praising this event are explicitly destructive & malicious towards Bungie, I'm convinced.
That Luna's with heal/kill sounds like a beastly roll.
Edit... My vault is crying right now.
Really wish that weapon stream happened last week; I wouldn't have spent so much time farming for the slammer which I'm never going to use now.
I’m still probably going to use my eager edge/relentless cold steel roll lol
Eager Edge + Cold Steel has PvP utility, but the reason you stated is exactly why they didn't showcase the weapons. They have to keep you on that hamster wheel.
Enhanced Vorpal With Enhanced Bait and Switch or Surrounded is going to be Nuts.
Didn’t we have Elise Rifle in Curse of Osiris called Machina DEI 4
My favorite thing about these weapons is that it seems like all of these guns have good perk pops that there’s no one set perfect god roll for PvE on quite a few of them.
For me I want Repulsor Brace + Master of Arms Recluse and that should work really well on my hunter
I know Aegis is hyped for Demo on Forbearance, but without Souldrinker it just isn't as godly.
Also never gonna stop malding at Hung Jury agaaaaain, when we could have had Oxygen, or Breachlight, or Dust Rock Blues.
Also also, very interested in Luna's Howl for PVE with Subsistence or Discord with Magnificent Howl.
subsistence with mag howl and lucky pants = infinite mag howl shots?????
They should have made Elsie’s rifle arc and given voltshot with it
I agree with this tier list 100% most excited for Elsie’s rifle for sure. When NTTE came out in D1, I always thought strangers rifle was better (and it was just a rare gun) lol
On Crota especially, no single weapon will be able to out-damage a Vorpal/Frenzy + Surrounded Guillotine.
If I get a god roll edge transit with the new shiny skin, its just going straight to my vault where I'll promptly forget about it. I've always hated Heavy GLs in D2, minus one or 2, so I dont see any reason to change my mind. With the whole, "well I guess we have to put a scout rifle in here somewhere" joke, I'm still bummed they have 3 different GL (dont get me wrong i want deliverance and mountain top) but I was really hoping for Breachlighy or at least another 2 burst side arm.
Imagine if they brought back Party Crasher for us who still don't have a Matador just like the old days
Having heal clip and incan on a handcannon brings a smile to my face
It exists on igneous but trials is abysmal to farm
I cant wait to get lunas howl. Jurassic green with hc+incandescent is one of my most used weapons, so having then enhanced on a handcannon is gonna be incredible
That drip feed crap they pulled shows that they are the same ol bungie. They’re never going to change. Their constant push for player retainment is causing more resentment.
I'm most excited about Luna's Howl (wish it was Not Forgotten but I'm still glad Luna's is back) I got Luna's Howl the season the infamous nerf to both weapons happened so I was never able to experience Mag Howl at its full power, and while it will never be the same, I do like that it's like the hawk-awesome which is my favorite exotic handcannon, so a legendary energy counterpart is really enticing me. Everything else is kinda on the back burner for me except maybe mountaintop for pvp. I wanna see what I can do with that extra momentum it seems to give. I'm still gonna grind out almost everything I can but Luna's and maybe Mountaintop are my top picks
Fuck, made a very good point with Elsie’s Rifle being pared with Conditional for PVP.
I haven’t heard anyone else mention it, but I want a recluse with frenzy and repulsor brace, as a voidlock main at heart, having frenzy which makes every weapon feel amazing, as well as repulsor at the same time, sign me up immediately
Would have been cool to see a classic scout like Chaos Dogma come back instead of Hung Jury
I got a Elsie's Rifle with repulsor brace and destabilizing rounds.
Missed opportunity to give recluse frenzy in 3rd and master of arms at 4th for the OG master at arms madness
Hammerhead with rampage and killing tally? *laughs in apocalypse by machine gun*