There's another story of a little boy that went missing in a national park. A man had seen a large hairy man carrying what looked like a limp child up a steep incline in a heavily wooded area. They later found the boy's bones broken, cracked open as if eaten, at the top of a cliff. His clothes were removed from his body and neatly set aside. Park Rangers, who ignored the fisherman's testimony, blamed a mountain lion. I believe that if they had searched Devil's Nest, they would have found Alfred's remains.
This was definitely something like a eagle or something like that, would make sense for why he was up 500 ft as well as how no one saw him being taken. Aka quickly picking him up and in shock he couldn’t make a sound.
My uncle was dog sitting one of his friend’s dogs one time, and his friend’s house was in the sticks, middle of nowhere colorado. He let the dog out to take s piss one night, and as my uncle watched from the door the dog went out of, a mountain lion swooped in, broke the dog’s neck, and ran away in a matter of seconds. This occurred while the dog was on a driveway of sorts, and my uncle the next day checked every inch of that driveway and never found any amount of blood. Also, the dog never had a chance to bark or make any noise, meaning that the attack was silent.
jeezus just imagining a child peering down from above you only for the child to scream and be dragged away is scaryy. wish i could remove that image from my head yeesh
Ok but, even if it wasn't Alfred, why didn't anyone look into the sighting of the kid being dragged away up a tree screaming?? Is there only allowed to be one missing child on mountain?
Probably because resources were limited in rural colorado in the 1930s and a random person saying they swear they saw a kid being dragged away up a tree isn't enough evidence to take resources away from the search area around where he was last credibly seen.
Like the thing with the SOS signal, where hikers went missing, and the rescuers found them because of the big SOS sign they made from tree branches. Except that they didn't do the sign, they didn't even knew about it. But along the way there was a backpack and remains found. And the remains aren't from the person that owned the backpack and was on a tape recording in the bag. There are at least 2 unsolved cases on that mountain.
A thing is, some kids are very trusting. My brother is now 8 and his whole life he's gotten along with strangers so well, my mom used to joke that if someone were to kidnap him it would be very easy because he'd wander off with anyone. Obviously idk if this kid was the same.
All signs point to mountain lion in this case. It could easily carry a 4 year old up a steep rock wall and is silent enough to do it…. And no one would hear a thing.
As I live in the town mentioned, these stories always get me. Last year they found the remains of a German man lost to the forest for decades. Strange things happen here, the town itself covers up much.
I'm convinced it's a mountain lion. A four year-old probably wouldn't put up a meaningful struggle. If he was killed instantly which is super likely since a mountain lion could crush his windpipe with bite would have been very little blood. Dead things don't bleed. So mountain lion.
This was basically a textbook Mountain Lion attack. Picking off a small child (easy prey), silently. Make no mistake, there would be no "struggle". The cougar would simply silently pounce, crush his neck, and carry him off to a nice place to feed.
I'm not quite sure about that. A cougar would for sure be able to catch him silently, but as an older sibling even if the parents didn't have the foresight to watch the children well the kids would have seen something. Or there would have been blood on the trail at least, cause even though cougars do often kill by crushing the windpipe/spine, their teeth break the skin when they do this. Plus they would have found the body/parts eventually, since cougars don't eat the whole body.
@@viktorbraginski Unless the child had wandered off a bit first and then was snatched by a cougar. This was so long ago, too. It's hard to know how competant the search for clues was. Is it possible that the animal carried the body up the incline and then a large eagle carried the body off? Who knows.
@@bridgetteparker7719 it's technically possible but not probable. And you're right, we can't know how competent they were, they could have walked past the body and never even known, but with the facts we have it's unlikely that it was an animal we know.
There would still be blood and other evidence, it also wouldn't explain why the dogs led them to nowhere, I know mountain lions are known to bury food for later; but I'm pretty sure the search party would investigate freshly disturbed ground.
A lot of these are probably mountain lion attacks. If the choose a person as prey they will stalk for hours until the human in vulnerable and then kill . A small child would be easy for a cougar to kill and pull up a cliff. NOT SAYING THIS IS FACT FOR THIS CASE, BUT SIMILAR CASES ARE OFTEN CAUSE BY LARGE PREDATORS.
I believe he only ruled this out as it would’ve left a blood trail, or had signs of transportation such as broken branches, disturbed or bent brush, tracks, or drag marks of sorts. God forbid it be a “new” or “evolved” large predator that is conscious of the evidence trail it leaves behind…that would be nightmare fuel right there.
Mountain lions also attack the throat and break the neck of their prey quickly which would explain the lack of screaming and a struggle. Like you said a small child would be well within the capability of the cat, and they arent known for making a large mess while hunting as they dont want another predator to fend off. When they brought the dogs out it's likely the body was picked apart by scavengers already with the marked place being the last area with potent scent. Likely where the cat fed. Nature will hide so much. Scavengers take pieces and run, and since clothing wasn't made of so much plastic back then birds and other animals would likely pick it apart for bedding.
@@renstal7638 mountain lions really don't leave many blood trails, they're ambush predators and they're very efficient. Leaving a mess scares your next meal.
I’d be curious to know if any of his siblings are still alive today and may remember what happened. Also, if they were supposed to put the money in a can, couldn’t they have just put out an empty can and watched it? If someone approached it, they’d be suspicious, whether there was money in the can or not..
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Put in a bunch of vouchers for the local car wash or something. If you plan on apprehending whoever goes for the can, you don't have to actually put the money in. There is no "honor system" involved.
Every time I hear you say that a kid couldn't be strong enough to climb something, I think about how I was able to play on the monkey bars and easily lift myself above them when I was a small child, but now can't do one pull-up.
He’s talking about todays kids… they never have to go outside! When I was 5, I climbed a 100 butterscotch pine… no ladder or ropes! My dad was pissed he had to call fire department.
Searching the water first, I can see that. When we went camping my parents had to keep a close eye on my sister and I around water, we were fascinated by running water. We would be these little 18 month old toddlers creeping up on the Snake River, quickly looking around to see if anyone was watching us, then sticking our hands in the river. Very stressful for the parents. As for the possibility of going up the mountain, sister was working at a lodge out the east gate of Yellowstone Park. One day she went out for a hike, and went over the mountain to the next lodge. No one at the next lodge could believe that she had made it over the mountain. She had found a small gully that was basically a clear path up over the mountain. No one at either lodge had even known it was there. And it was so narrow that only a child or a very small adult would even try going up it.
I live about 30 minutes from here, and... my guess is mountain lion. As gruesome as it is to discuss in reference to a kid, like all big cats there's usually little struggle. Jaws around the neck and shake. They generally only attack solo hikers, so my guess is he dipped off the trail going after a lizard, or to pee, or what have you. As well, an adult puma would have 0 issue picking a 4-yo off the ground in that and leaving no physical trace/"struggle." Also explains the impossible climb, mountain lions usually drag their prey up out of reach to keep it away from bears/wolves. (Also not to be that person, but it's ehh-stess, like Estus in dark souls)
Cant help but feel that so many more would be found if people in charge wouldnt assume they know what a 4 yr old or otherwise "are capable of" & "whats possible". People do not have a good track record w/ such things. We always think we are smarter than we are.
Right like kids esp back then are strong. Not as much mass too throw around so their strength is disproportionate. I could climb trees to the top on thin branches as a young kid. He could probably climb that cliff esp if motivated but tbh I think this was mountain lion
this honestly screams mountain lion to me, if they had the group in order oldest to youngest, (If he was the youngest), he started falling behind a bit, and a mountain lion could easily have dropped out of a tree and killed him before he could make a sound, a four year old would be easy for a mountain lion to pick up and carry off, and would be an appealing meal to one as well
@@edorasmarauder5761 That's not entirely true. They wouldn't seek out a human, but at the same time, it's not like they're going to go hugely out of their way to stay away from you. If they're already in a tree over the path? That's just free lunch
@@edorasmarauder5761 growing up in a small northern community, I cant even recall the amount of times in a cul de sac a young cougar was pts or caught stalking young children, dogs, horses, women with strollers so on... it depends on where you live and how remote you are, my dad has been stalked in the mountains of B.C. twice in 15 years so idk how rare they actually are here or just how little we really see them there.
@@edorasmarauder5761 not an injured one. Injured predators result 100% in strange contradictory behavior for established animals. Something I’ve always wonder about in cryptically stories is how often it could be for bears with disformed or gravely injured front limbs or even faces to seek out human commotion and confront it in odd and off putting ways that would lead many (even familiar types) to believe they’re being confronted by something that they were already most likely thinking about subconsciously.
Something is fishy about this. What parents walk in the forest at the front while they leave the young children to walk behind them? I have a 7 year old son and when we were camping he was never out of my or my wifes sight for more than a few seconds. When we went on walks down the trails he was always either next to one of us or in front of us in line of sight .
Being a parent doesn't mean they're smart. I could absolutely believe some are stupid enough to let their kid wander off into a forest and not think about the danger.
A thought about the whole "there were so many kids how could no one have seen anything" idea - I've noticed that the more kids in a group the more likely one is to wander off. With a family of, say, four kids, everyone keeps an eye on everyone. But with a family of more than seven or so, everyone just assumes that someone else is responsible. Also, parents of very large families are often . . . let's just say they're not particularly attentive, and they often tend to rely on the kids to look after each other even if the kids aren't really mature enough to do so.
After watching a bunch of your newest videos and then jumping back to this one, I'm very glad the whole Bigfoot thing has become more tongue-in-cheek. These stories are much better when you put some real investigative weight behind the theories and not just "all we know for sure is the government lies about everything! ;) "
This is a big leap, to jump to the supernatural. It's more likely the police knew, but couldn't prove the parents were lying about the boy. It's just as likely, the boy died accidentally and it was covered up by the family to protect one of the other children. I would dismiss the hiker's story about seeing a boy being dragged away screaming 500 feet above his head.
I'm not actually sure about dismissing the hikers story, but it might not be connected to the disappearance. If I remember right with the story, the hiker reported seeing that before he could have really known that a kid was missing there.
Why on earth would you dismiss that if your literal job at the moment was to find a missing boy? I mean if I was looking for a missing boy and literally anyone said they saw a missing boy in the area then that’s exactly where I’d look, I just can’t imagine being so confident in dismissing anything at all when a boy is missing, I’m not even a parent, it just blows my mind maaan
I feel like a mountain lion could be quiet enough and hit a 4-year-old with enough Force to potentially initially knock him out and then carry him up to a mountain top
Accept that dogs would easily find the scent of mt. lion and the trail of evidence would lead to a body. Lt. lions occasionally take someone aeound these parts, but they are always found pretty quickly. The remaining i mean, cougars are bad at hiding bodies, like they don't even read any true crime or anything.
@@whitemagus2000 Nah, dogs have to be trained which scent to follow. Explosives, yeah, we got dogs for that. Drugs? Yeah, we got dogs for that. No trained dog is going to just follow another type of trail.
Just thought you might be interested in how they would have "tested" the bandage before DNA. I heard this from very seasoned forensic expert who used to work for the New Jersey State Police, so I consider the information to be pretty solid. Most people are familiar with the basic blood types; A, B, O, and AB. What they don't know is that some of these actually have subtypes, A1 and A2 for instance. There are so many factors and proteins that can be included in a blood profile, that even without DNA, the odds of 2 unrelated people having identical profiles is like, 1 in 100,000, and even for closely related individuals, the profiles are usually similar, but not identical.
Very hard for me to take every record from the 1930's at face value, so I feel like the public never really had a chance to review all the information that came in about this missing persons case. Especially considering how quick they were ready to accept that he had drowned in a creek makes me think they knew something was hunting people out there.
I think they probably though he drowned in a creek because that's what happened to most missing kids in the area at the time. They wandered off got stuck in some water, couldn't swim, and drowned. It's the simplest explanation for that assumption.
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Ehhh, I haven’t seen this cliff, but I climbed some pretty gnarly stuff at 4-5 years old. The little ones are capable of a LOT more than people give them credit for
It was an animal attack, I mean, its much more plausible that the kid wandered off and got picked off by an ambush hunter like a mountain lion. I mean, we can always say "oh but the siblings would've noticed something" to that I say, probably not, it was a field trip in the middle of the wilderness, its not only possible they got distracted and ended up accidentally letting the child wander off, I'll even go so far as to say it is *likely* they did that. "oh but what of the sighting" Either a fabrication or the guy saw him getting dragged off by a predator that had already been dragging him off. "no remains though" Yes, because he was eaten by a predator and his remains were picked apart by scavengers. "But the feds are acting fishy" Yes, probably because the ones assigned to the case figured the kid was dead, eaten by a mountain lion and didn't want to spend any more resources than necessary to find him. "What of the ransom note" fabrication/prank/someone trying to make a quick buck. Its a sad story but I honestly don't see this as particularly mysterious, what I find more baffling is how two grown-ass adults looked at a wilderness and decided "yes, that *is* a good place to take our 10 children, including the one too young to have a sense of self preservation and physical means to act upon it if he did".
Definitely a weird one. Almost seems like the work of some kind of massive bird that after he wandered off, flew him way up high and it happened so fast he was in shock and didn’t scream till he was way up there.
eagles have been known to carry off animals as large as mountain goats. A 4 year old human is decidedly smaller than a mountain goat. There's also...thunderbirds... (Edit: I retract my comments about eagles after reading conversations further up ^^^ . Eagles have been known to nab mt. goats, but they are other eagle species, iirc in the Balkans for instance, who are larger than North American eagles, and the mt. goats a bit smaller than ours. My thunder bird comment still stands though. :P )
I've lost livestock animals to mountain lions, there wasn't much in the way of blood. For a human it would only have to crush our throat (which is where they target). Dead in seconds, minimal bleedout. He likely got nabbed by a mountain lion and carried up the cliff and up a tree.
the problem with that theory is that a mountain lion would've eaten him, or parts of him, and left remains, and blood. And no remains were found. Minimal blood upon catching, but eventually some blood, and bones, perhaps viscera.
@@katyg3873 most of the time you dont know they're there til too late, they absolutely are stealthy, thats how cats are built, and theres been cases where kids were taken, cats wait for opportunity, if he fell behind or wandered it only takes a second, they bite through the skull, and can lift a kid that size straight up Its also possible the kid wandered, got lost and kept wandering before it took him, it happens, parents can be very inattentive
@@almishti Mountain lions consume the skeletons of small prey animals and can eat an entire kill in 2 days. Not out of the question that there was nothing left of Alfred.
Ok I read a lot about mountain lion attacks here But one theory I didn’t see mentioned was an eagle or an vulture attack. Its a bit strange but an adult eagle would be more than strong enough to carry away a 3-4 year old. Here would the cliff side make sense because especially bone vultures carry their pray high only to drop them down to kill them Mabey not true but a new theory?
The smaller kids always end up at the back... Its happened tons, they fall behind, no one pays attention, kid wanders off without anyone noticing, animal gets them or they fall in a river and get swept away There are many potential explanations that aren't cryptids, both adults and kids disappear and are never found or are found huge distances away Mountain lions when taking kids will just bite the head, no struggle, no mess, and a 4yo is light enough for a mtn lion to pick up n jis run off with, they take bigger with no trace It would have only taken a moment if the kid lagged behind or wandered off
Have you considered Thunder Birds? They tend to be seen in mountainous areas. There’s been a few spotted near where I am (Southern Illinois) and they would be large enough to pick up a child before they had time to scream.
Thank you. I just commented further up in the comments about thunder birds, and i'm always surprised when i hear this or similar stories that no one seems to consider that.
Seems like a pretty obvious mountain lion attack to me. Also having that many kids to keep in and occupied is very difficult. It's easily possible that alfred fell behind or wandered off the trail and nobody noticed right away.
When all other options are exhausted the only remaining answer, regardless of how implausible it may be, is logically & reasonably the most plausible answer, think do I. Denying the answer simply because it falls outside a preconceived idea of 'reality' lacks both logic & reason. However, that is not to say it 'must' be the answer, because there would need to be proof for that. Phenomenal hypothesizes require phenomenal empirical evidence.
Don't underestimate children. 1000 ft elevation is nothing for 6-10 y.o. children. Some of hikers with whom I was climbing were taking their children routinely on 1500 ft of elevation and 5-10 miles in distance.
Considering this happened so close to Estes Park, I would not be surprised if Alfred wandering into an open portal and transported him to where he was found. If you believe in any of that stuff, it makes sense when you think about it and search the history of the park. A lot of paranormal stuff has happened there and around that area
Real talk lesson. Stop underestimating kids. Yes, a reasonably athletic 4 year old could climb that far. Their upper body strength isn't great...but they don't weigh very much either and they can be quite agile. Kids frequently have a much easier time going up and over rough terrain than adults do, but search and rescue personnel consistently assume that kids can't do things because they couldn't. Not saying anything about if this is what happened in this case but, this is definitely a thing. It's a trend and it's a trend that leads to kids who have gotten themselves into places adults couldn't or wouldn't have gone - that they can't then get out of - not being found.
Loved your explanations on the last wendigoon video, even if I'm not an American weird stuff like this happens in Europe as well, maybe one day you'll cover some european missing 411 cases Keep up the good work!❤️❤️
i was actually wondering of this could happen on such a larg scaLe in europe, as the populations are more dense compared to the nationalparks of the US Canada ot bether saids America as a whole. west and central europe at least do not have that much "open" space.
To be fair, there aren't any "411" cases in Europe, as 411 is specifically regarding the USA and Canada. Definitely some very strange happenings in Europe, though, I write with a young woman who travels Europe for her studies who gives me a lot of odd stories to look into, I'd love some more light shined on those on a wider scale.
@@todayisforever Europe has a lot of wilderness. Even the countries that are known to be urban to Americans like the UK and France and such, it's not that different from the USA in the sense that, outside of the cities, it's forests, plains, mountains, farmland, they're not the main publicized destinations, but they very much do exist, and there very much are national parks, over 500 of them, if I recall correctly.
@@todayisforever there is a lot of open space, many eu countries outside cities still have small towns or villages surrounded by wilderness that you can easily get lost in and not be found, and other than natives, Americans have been around for a few hundred years, we have buildings far older, cryptids and ghost stories, thousands of unsolved mysteries
@@Leo-wh1stThat's what impressed me about European countries & the UK how much open space still exists. Southern California is rapidly losing open space, greenbelt & farmland for miles( Kilometers) & miles of ugly suburban subdivisions & poorly designed strip malls with low occupancy rates.
It could've been an eagle, I've seen golden eagles pick up goats, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that Alfred strayed away and was picked up by a large eagle.
Seems unlikely to me3 since bloodhounds could follow the trail, if an Eagle picked him up I feel like it wouldn't have left one since he wouldn't have rubbed against anything.
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When I was a teen I went to my local park for a walk. I had my headphones in so was not entirely aware of my surroundings. Apparently someone's toddler saw me and liked my outfit so much that she followed me for almost a quarter mile before I stopped and she grabbed my hand. She scared the hell out of me. I screamed all high pitch and everything lol, but then I asked who she was and where her parents were and I took her right back to the playground where her parents were absolutely panicking obviously. The whole time I was terrified that I would get charged with kidnapping. Toddlers do weird things. And I'm far more aware of my surroundings at all times now too.
This is gonna sound stupid, and probably isn’t gonna fit with the evidence (I’m listening to this as background noise so I’m not paying much attention), but could him falling into a crevice into a sinkhole or a cave be a possibility? I saw a chart that correlates cave systems and missing 411s, and figured how there could be holes or child sized cracks in the ground. And the hole/crevice closed up due to mud closing it up after a rain or tectonic plates or whatever shifting.
I looked at a map of this park to get a better understanding of where everything is, but now I’m even more confused than before I looked. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but roaring river looks really far from Estes park and it doesn’t seem likely that someone would take their family of 12 to go on a hike to that location especially with the youngest child being 4 years old. And devils nest doesn’t exist anymore??? I searched it up into google to see if the name was changed, but i couldn’t find anything about it there either. I saw devils gulch and birds nest, but I couldn’t find anything that said devils nest
I wonder if they called off the search simply because they thought these people had enough kids and losing one of them isn't a big deal. Or that the fact that they were irresponsible and deserved this punishment.
From Colorado, and can say it's rare for Estes Park or nearby RMNP of similar or higher elevation to get above 85, only half the summer days even reach 80, even in height of summer. If not assuming the most extreme weather the area has ever had and going by average, most likely it was around 70-80F if it was a nice day. My guess is honestly mountain lion -- plenty in that area and a young child of that age could easily be dragged away by one and it explains the scent being up the mountain - it is weird circumstances with no blood etc, but not impossible as there may not have been much struggle with a 4 year old.
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Alfred hsd a bandaged blister on his foot. A large bird may have dragged him up the hill, pausing where the dogs stopped to get a better grip, before carrying Alfred off to Devils Nest on Mt Chapin where he was seen by William J. Eells, a radio appliance employee from Denver, and his wife before the bird carried him off and ate him.
Perhaps the Feds already knew that they'd never find Alfred... due to encountering this phenomenon previously? I wonder if that s why some of these searches never really get going for that reason.
I was completely distracted this entire video. How the heck did people figure out how to get to that vacation spot in 1938? Not only that, but a good camping area. And by what means did they get there? How did they get off of work (cars didn't go all that fast then, and I can't imagine many companies offered paid time off)? Where was the nearest gas station and how did they find it? And then, they find rangers in short order.
I think they lived in the area. As far as getting to the camping area, Trail Ridge Road was complete on the side of the park they were on by 1932 and was already a well known trail to the indigenous population of the area before it was improved for vehicle travel. As far as the rangers, the park was getting 660,000 visitors a year by 1938 so it probably wasn't that hard to find a ranger in a park that popular.
To me it sounds like a large bird of prey picked him up. Maybe he wondered off while none of the other kids were paying attention and then got scooped up. The way the dogs lead to a specific spot and just stop would be weird if a person or ground predetor took him, there would still be a scent trail.
Do you ever also look at roanoke tales? Also good content a little like yourself. Here in belgium we dont have this type of stuff. And thats why i like USA so much al the folklore! I love it.
500 feet is not a far distance. Up, down or sideways. The creek at Estes park is very shallow. In town the creek wallows out into a meadow, a pond like hole is there. Otherwise, the creek is mostly less than knee deep.
The problem is the two potential locations, either for the boy's final resting place, or where a boy was apparently pulled back, can't both be correct. It has to be one or the other. The alleged sighting would have been open to subjective interpretation, especially considering hindsight, why did they scream, were they pulled back or simply moved quickly back by their own accord, was it the same child? At 500ft it would be very hard to determine any of this with any degree of certainty especially given its fleeting nature. Given all other things being equal, and they might not be, but with that assumption the bloodhound location would be the simplest. In the time bracket scavenging would have left some onvious signs, but if a corpse were lifted from the spot whole and carried away the hounds may not have been able to detect any further trail.
I think there is some unknown flying creature responsible for some of these cases. Could be a giant bird or something else but I think it is possible 🤔🤷🏼♀️ Cheers
If you go camping and hiking with a 1 parent to 5 kid ratio no offense but of course something was going to happen. No school or organization would do that because it would be way too dangerous. I wonder how old the parentified kids were that were responsible for looking after him?
That’s what I’m curious about. Usually these cases live and die on the honesty and accuracy of reports. The entire situation (2 parents in front, 10 kids behind) seems questionable, but the events of the story could have only happened if he was last in line and trailing by a bit. If he was beside or in front of another child, then they would be able to at least say when he disappeared and very likely saw what took him. Assuming all other events happened as described, it seems possible or even likely that one or more of the children saw what happened and lied, either because they were afraid they’d be in trouble for not watching him better or because they thought no one would believe them. As for why it never came out, if the child was young enough, they could have convinced themselves that it didn’t happen and they imagined it.
cats can grab people by his jacket. kid probably just got shock like some people in danger stay quite in fear of being killed. mountain lion can drag a large ram up a cliff this kid would probably be no difference. plus a hiker did mention he saw the kid on the cliff and scream. a mountain lion probably dragged it to a den past some water source to feed some kittens or somewhere since no evidence.
Love this video! Except the way you say Estes park, it scratches my brain like a fork on a plate…idk why it’s not a big deal. Anyways love your videos and the way you respect cultures mythology and folklore!
Sounds like a mountain lion they do like to hangout on tall outcroppings watching for prey and will drag their kills to their place of seclusion so no other animals can get an easy free lunch.
Hell, they wouldn't even have to have put money in the can if all they were doing was trying to arrest the ransomer. If they go to check the can, they're already in the trap, empty or not!
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There's another story of a little boy that went missing in a national park. A man had seen a large hairy man carrying what looked like a limp child up a steep incline in a heavily wooded area. They later found the boy's bones broken, cracked open as if eaten, at the top of a cliff. His clothes were removed from his body and neatly set aside. Park Rangers, who ignored the fisherman's testimony, blamed a mountain lion. I believe that if they had searched Devil's Nest, they would have found Alfred's remains.
This was definitely something like a eagle or something like that, would make sense for why he was up 500 ft as well as how no one saw him being taken. Aka quickly picking him up and in shock he couldn’t make a sound.
@@ivandotson9448 yes an eagle, obviously, case solved!!
My uncle was dog sitting one of his friend’s dogs one time, and his friend’s house was in the sticks, middle of nowhere colorado. He let the dog out to take s piss one night, and as my uncle watched from the door the dog went out of, a mountain lion swooped in, broke the dog’s neck, and ran away in a matter of seconds. This occurred while the dog was on a driveway of sorts, and my uncle the next day checked every inch of that driveway and never found any amount of blood. Also, the dog never had a chance to bark or make any noise, meaning that the attack was silent.
Yeah, pretty obvious explanation.
Man that woulda been traumatic
Hm likely explanation for your uncle accidentally letting the dog run away… 😅
jeezus just imagining a child peering down from above you only for the child to scream and be dragged away is scaryy. wish i could remove that image from my head yeesh
Ok but, even if it wasn't Alfred, why didn't anyone look into the sighting of the kid being dragged away up a tree screaming?? Is there only allowed to be one missing child on mountain?
Probably because resources were limited in rural colorado in the 1930s and a random person saying they swear they saw a kid being dragged away up a tree isn't enough evidence to take resources away from the search area around where he was last credibly seen.
Like the thing with the SOS signal, where hikers went missing, and the rescuers found them because of the big SOS sign they made from tree branches.
Except that they didn't do the sign, they didn't even knew about it. But along the way there was a backpack and remains found. And the remains aren't from the person that owned the backpack and was on a tape recording in the bag.
There are at least 2 unsolved cases on that mountain.
Yes, there is. That child was breaking the rules, and they knew it.
Yeah so basically there's a sign they put at the start of the trail. It reads "Attention, only one missing child at a time please"
@@HappyBeezerStudiosI thought that case happened in Japan
A thing is, some kids are very trusting. My brother is now 8 and his whole life he's gotten along with strangers so well, my mom used to joke that if someone were to kidnap him it would be very easy because he'd wander off with anyone. Obviously idk if this kid was the same.
All signs point to mountain lion in this case. It could easily carry a 4 year old up a steep rock wall and is silent enough to do it…. And no one would hear a thing.
As I live in the town mentioned, these stories always get me. Last year they found the remains of a German man lost to the forest for decades. Strange things happen here, the town itself covers up much.
The town covers up? Like officials withholding information?
The people of the town cover it up? Or the spirit of the town/the land itself covers it up? Both?
You mean that there are people who know much but would never tell?
Has the town covered you up?
I think he got suicided.
I'm convinced it's a mountain lion. A four year-old probably wouldn't put up a meaningful struggle. If he was killed instantly which is super likely since a mountain lion could crush his windpipe with bite would have been very little blood. Dead things don't bleed. So mountain lion.
This was basically a textbook Mountain Lion attack. Picking off a small child (easy prey), silently. Make no mistake, there would be no "struggle". The cougar would simply silently pounce, crush his neck, and carry him off to a nice place to feed.
I'm not quite sure about that. A cougar would for sure be able to catch him silently, but as an older sibling even if the parents didn't have the foresight to watch the children well the kids would have seen something. Or there would have been blood on the trail at least, cause even though cougars do often kill by crushing the windpipe/spine, their teeth break the skin when they do this. Plus they would have found the body/parts eventually, since cougars don't eat the whole body.
@@viktorbraginski Unless the child had wandered off a bit first and then was snatched by a cougar. This was so long ago, too. It's hard to know how competant the search for clues was. Is it possible that the animal carried the body up the incline and then a large eagle carried the body off? Who knows.
@@bridgetteparker7719 it's technically possible but not probable. And you're right, we can't know how competent they were, they could have walked past the body and never even known, but with the facts we have it's unlikely that it was an animal we know.
There would still be blood and other evidence, it also wouldn't explain why the dogs led them to nowhere, I know mountain lions are known to bury food for later; but I'm pretty sure the search party would investigate freshly disturbed ground.
@@viktorbraginski the other body parts might have been broken off and carried away by scavengers? And eventually disintegrated
A lot of these are probably mountain lion attacks. If the choose a person as prey they will stalk for hours until the human in vulnerable and then kill . A small child would be easy for a cougar to kill and pull up a cliff. NOT SAYING THIS IS FACT FOR THIS CASE, BUT SIMILAR CASES ARE OFTEN CAUSE BY LARGE PREDATORS.
They will. And they are smart af. Honestly one of the only scarier things in the us is a bear or a person
I believe he only ruled this out as it would’ve left a blood trail, or had signs of transportation such as broken branches, disturbed or bent brush, tracks, or drag marks of sorts. God forbid it be a “new” or “evolved” large predator that is conscious of the evidence trail it leaves behind…that would be nightmare fuel right there.
Mountain lions also attack the throat and break the neck of their prey quickly which would explain the lack of screaming and a struggle. Like you said a small child would be well within the capability of the cat, and they arent known for making a large mess while hunting as they dont want another predator to fend off. When they brought the dogs out it's likely the body was picked apart by scavengers already with the marked place being the last area with potent scent. Likely where the cat fed.
Nature will hide so much. Scavengers take pieces and run, and since clothing wasn't made of so much plastic back then birds and other animals would likely pick it apart for bedding.
@@renstal7638 mountain lions really don't leave many blood trails, they're ambush predators and they're very efficient. Leaving a mess scares your next meal.
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I’d be curious to know if any of his siblings are still alive today and may remember what happened. Also, if they were supposed to put the money in a can, couldn’t they have just put out an empty can and watched it? If someone approached it, they’d be suspicious, whether there was money in the can or not..
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Put in a bunch of vouchers for the local car wash or something. If you plan on apprehending whoever goes for the can, you don't have to actually put the money in. There is no "honor system" involved.
This was what I was thinking, there was literally no reason not to just try out the can, whether it was a fake ransom note or not.
Every time I hear you say that a kid couldn't be strong enough to climb something, I think about how I was able to play on the monkey bars and easily lift myself above them when I was a small child, but now can't do one pull-up.
Kids can do V4 or V5 climbing without any preparation, while grownups - can't, unless reasonably fit. You are right.
He’s talking about todays kids… they never have to go outside! When I was 5, I climbed a 100 butterscotch pine… no ladder or ropes! My dad was pissed he had to call fire department.
Fr, my nieces climb like freakin monkeys, very few adults can move like that (though this wasn't at 4yo, more 7+)
@@kehenabeach4418 damn, didnt know humans rapidly evolved in the past two or so decades, as to lose the excellent ability to climb as small children
Kids can climb up stuff but they'll also have their bodies fail them quickly once their energy is burned up. Short climbs are feasible.
Searching the water first, I can see that. When we went camping my parents had to keep a close eye on my sister and I around water, we were fascinated by running water. We would be these little 18 month old toddlers creeping up on the Snake River, quickly looking around to see if anyone was watching us, then sticking our hands in the river. Very stressful for the parents. As for the possibility of going up the mountain, sister was working at a lodge out the east gate of Yellowstone Park. One day she went out for a hike, and went over the mountain to the next lodge. No one at the next lodge could believe that she had made it over the mountain. She had found a small gully that was basically a clear path up over the mountain. No one at either lodge had even known it was there. And it was so narrow that only a child or a very small adult would even try going up it.
When two separate dog teams lead to the same spot, might be worth checking that spot.
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I live about 30 minutes from here, and... my guess is mountain lion. As gruesome as it is to discuss in reference to a kid, like all big cats there's usually little struggle. Jaws around the neck and shake. They generally only attack solo hikers, so my guess is he dipped off the trail going after a lizard, or to pee, or what have you. As well, an adult puma would have 0 issue picking a 4-yo off the ground in that and leaving no physical trace/"struggle." Also explains the impossible climb, mountain lions usually drag their prey up out of reach to keep it away from bears/wolves.
(Also not to be that person, but it's ehh-stess, like Estus in dark souls)
Older kids probably didn't watch him. He either wondered off of just feel behind and he got nabbed by something.
Cant help but feel that so many more would be found if people in charge wouldnt assume they know what a 4 yr old or otherwise "are capable of" & "whats possible". People do not have a good track record w/ such things. We always think we are smarter than we are.
Or people in general, turns out a lot of places that are impossible for someone to go through are quite possible, just impractical.
Right like kids esp back then are strong. Not as much mass too throw around so their strength is disproportionate. I could climb trees to the top on thin branches as a young kid. He could probably climb that cliff esp if motivated but tbh I think this was mountain lion
this honestly screams mountain lion to me, if they had the group in order oldest to youngest, (If he was the youngest), he started falling behind a bit, and a mountain lion could easily have dropped out of a tree and killed him before he could make a sound, a four year old would be easy for a mountain lion to pick up and carry off, and would be an appealing meal to one as well
Mountain lions avoid humans, however.
@@edorasmarauder5761 That's not entirely true. They wouldn't seek out a human, but at the same time, it's not like they're going to go hugely out of their way to stay away from you. If they're already in a tree over the path? That's just free lunch
@@edorasmarauder5761 growing up in a small northern community, I cant even recall the amount of times in a cul de sac a young cougar was pts or caught stalking young children, dogs, horses, women with strollers so on... it depends on where you live and how remote you are, my dad has been stalked in the mountains of B.C. twice in 15 years so idk how rare they actually are here or just how little we really see them there.
@@edorasmarauder5761 not an injured one. Injured predators result 100% in strange contradictory behavior for established animals. Something I’ve always wonder about in cryptically stories is how often it could be for bears with disformed or gravely injured front limbs or even faces to seek out human commotion and confront it in odd and off putting ways that would lead many (even familiar types) to believe they’re being confronted by something that they were already most likely thinking about subconsciously.
sounds like america needs to go do some puma exterminatus.
Something is fishy about this. What parents walk in the forest at the front while they leave the young children to walk behind them? I have a 7 year old son and when we were camping he was never out of my or my wifes sight for more than a few seconds. When we went on walks down the trails he was always either next to one of us or in front of us in line of sight .
Being a parent doesn't mean they're smart. I could absolutely believe some are stupid enough to let their kid wander off into a forest and not think about the danger.
The type of parent that has so many kids they couldn’t possibly take care of them all, leaving it up to the oldest kids to pick up the slack.
A thought about the whole "there were so many kids how could no one have seen anything" idea - I've noticed that the more kids in a group the more likely one is to wander off. With a family of, say, four kids, everyone keeps an eye on everyone. But with a family of more than seven or so, everyone just assumes that someone else is responsible. Also, parents of very large families are often . . . let's just say they're not particularly attentive, and they often tend to rely on the kids to look after each other even if the kids aren't really mature enough to do so.
After watching a bunch of your newest videos and then jumping back to this one, I'm very glad the whole Bigfoot thing has become more tongue-in-cheek. These stories are much better when you put some real investigative weight behind the theories and not just "all we know for sure is the government lies about everything! ;) "
This is a big leap, to jump to the supernatural. It's more likely the police knew, but couldn't prove the parents were lying about the boy.
It's just as likely, the boy died accidentally and it was covered up by the family to protect one of the other children.
I would dismiss the hiker's story about seeing a boy being dragged away screaming 500 feet above his head.
I'm not actually sure about dismissing the hikers story, but it might not be connected to the disappearance.
If I remember right with the story, the hiker reported seeing that before he could have really known that a kid was missing there.
Why on earth would you dismiss that if your literal job at the moment was to find a missing boy? I mean if I was looking for a missing boy and literally anyone said they saw a missing boy in the area then that’s exactly where I’d look, I just can’t imagine being so confident in dismissing anything at all when a boy is missing, I’m not even a parent, it just blows my mind maaan
I feel like a mountain lion could be quiet enough and hit a 4-year-old with enough Force to potentially initially knock him out and then carry him up to a mountain top
Accept that dogs would easily find the scent of mt. lion and the trail of evidence would lead to a body.
Lt. lions occasionally take someone aeound these parts, but they are always found pretty quickly. The remaining i mean, cougars are bad at hiding bodies, like they don't even read any true crime or anything.
@@whitemagus2000 fair enough. I hadn't considered that. Thanks!
@@whitemagus2000 Nah, dogs have to be trained which scent to follow. Explosives, yeah, we got dogs for that. Drugs? Yeah, we got dogs for that. No trained dog is going to just follow another type of trail.
It's a rake.
But if a mountain lion dragged a child uphill wouldn’t a shoe be dragged off?
The French. That’s all I’m going to say.
Yes
It all makes sense now!
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Only reasonable explanation
'Nuff said. Lol
Just thought you might be interested in how they would have "tested" the bandage before DNA. I heard this from very seasoned forensic expert who used to work for the New Jersey State Police, so I consider the information to be pretty solid.
Most people are familiar with the basic blood types; A, B, O, and AB. What they don't know is that some of these actually have subtypes, A1 and A2 for instance. There are so many factors and proteins that can be included in a blood profile, that even without DNA, the odds of 2 unrelated people having identical profiles is like, 1 in 100,000, and even for closely related individuals, the profiles are usually similar, but not identical.
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Very hard for me to take every record from the 1930's at face value, so I feel like the public never really had a chance to review all the information that came in about this missing persons case. Especially considering how quick they were ready to accept that he had drowned in a creek makes me think they knew something was hunting people out there.
I think they probably though he drowned in a creek because that's what happened to most missing kids in the area at the time. They wandered off got stuck in some water, couldn't swim, and drowned. It's the simplest explanation for that assumption.
If you think $500 was easy to come by for a family of twelve in 1938 I have three words for you... The Great Depression.
Maybe they got rid of him, less mouth to feed and he is youngest
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Having been an active 4 year old boy at one time and having a boy of my own, I can guarantee that he could have made the climb on his own.
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Ehhh, I haven’t seen this cliff, but I climbed some pretty gnarly stuff at 4-5 years old. The little ones are capable of a LOT more than people give them credit for
It’s crazy how all of these cases that go unsolved can usually be chalked up to “the police just didn’t care enough to do their job.”🤦🏻♂️
It was an animal attack, I mean, its much more plausible that the kid wandered off and got picked off by an ambush hunter like a mountain lion.
I mean, we can always say "oh but the siblings would've noticed something" to that I say, probably not, it was a field trip in the middle of the wilderness, its not only possible they got distracted and ended up accidentally letting the child wander off, I'll even go so far as to say it is *likely* they did that.
"oh but what of the sighting" Either a fabrication or the guy saw him getting dragged off by a predator that had already been dragging him off.
"no remains though" Yes, because he was eaten by a predator and his remains were picked apart by scavengers.
"But the feds are acting fishy" Yes, probably because the ones assigned to the case figured the kid was dead, eaten by a mountain lion and didn't want to spend any more resources than necessary to find him.
"What of the ransom note" fabrication/prank/someone trying to make a quick buck.
Its a sad story but I honestly don't see this as particularly mysterious, what I find more baffling is how two grown-ass adults looked at a wilderness and decided "yes, that *is* a good place to take our 10 children, including the one too young to have a sense of self preservation and physical means to act upon it if he did".
Definitely a weird one. Almost seems like the work of some kind of massive bird that after he wandered off, flew him way up high and it happened so fast he was in shock and didn’t scream till he was way up there.
eagles have been known to carry off animals as large as mountain goats. A 4 year old human is decidedly smaller than a mountain goat. There's also...thunderbirds... (Edit: I retract my comments about eagles after reading conversations further up ^^^ . Eagles have been known to nab mt. goats, but they are other eagle species, iirc in the Balkans for instance, who are larger than North American eagles, and the mt. goats a bit smaller than ours. My thunder bird comment still stands though. :P )
I've lost livestock animals to mountain lions, there wasn't much in the way of blood. For a human it would only have to crush our throat (which is where they target). Dead in seconds, minimal bleedout.
He likely got nabbed by a mountain lion and carried up the cliff and up a tree.
I agree.
the problem with that theory is that a mountain lion would've eaten him, or parts of him, and left remains, and blood. And no remains were found. Minimal blood upon catching, but eventually some blood, and bones, perhaps viscera.
@@almishti and as stealthy as mountain lions are, they’re not silent nor invisible. There would be some noise and commotion.
@@katyg3873 most of the time you dont know they're there til too late, they absolutely are stealthy, thats how cats are built, and theres been cases where kids were taken, cats wait for opportunity, if he fell behind or wandered it only takes a second, they bite through the skull, and can lift a kid that size straight up
Its also possible the kid wandered, got lost and kept wandering before it took him, it happens, parents can be very inattentive
@@almishti Mountain lions consume the skeletons of small prey animals and can eat an entire kill in 2 days. Not out of the question that there was nothing left of Alfred.
Thats the most terrifying name for a supernatural thing that ive ever heard 😬
They might've compared his blood type. That is one thing they used to do- if it didn't match, it couldn't be his
That fast, that high and the dogs reaction. Could be a big eagle.
Ok I read a lot about mountain lion attacks here
But one theory I didn’t see mentioned was an eagle or an vulture attack. Its a bit strange but an adult eagle would be more than strong enough to carry away a 3-4 year old. Here would the cliff side make sense because especially bone vultures carry their pray high only to drop them down to kill them
Mabey not true but a new theory?
I would think Mountain Lion. Lack of blood wouldn't surprise me, 6 miles away is plausible. Curious about the lack of tracks reported, human or lion.
The smaller kids always end up at the back...
Its happened tons, they fall behind, no one pays attention, kid wanders off without anyone noticing, animal gets them or they fall in a river and get swept away
There are many potential explanations that aren't cryptids, both adults and kids disappear and are never found or are found huge distances away
Mountain lions when taking kids will just bite the head, no struggle, no mess, and a 4yo is light enough for a mtn lion to pick up n jis run off with, they take bigger with no trace
It would have only taken a moment if the kid lagged behind or wandered off
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Have you considered Thunder Birds?
They tend to be seen in mountainous areas.
There’s been a few spotted near where I am (Southern Illinois) and they would be large enough to pick up a child before they had time to scream.
Thank you. I just commented further up in the comments about thunder birds, and i'm always surprised when i hear this or similar stories that no one seems to consider that.
Issue being thunder birds are not real so they couldn't have been the cause of this.
@@lc9072 Well, not anymore. There were several species of very large birds that went extinct along with the rest of the North American megafauna.
@@userequaltoNull Key word here being extinct
"sketchy vibes from the feds" great fuckin line fr
Seems like a pretty obvious mountain lion attack to me. Also having that many kids to keep in and occupied is very difficult. It's easily possible that alfred fell behind or wandered off the trail and nobody noticed right away.
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Having been to that area of the park, it’s absolutely believable how quickly and easily someone can disappear in that area
When all other options are exhausted the only remaining answer, regardless of how implausible it may be, is logically & reasonably the most plausible answer, think do I. Denying the answer simply because it falls outside a preconceived idea of 'reality' lacks both logic & reason.
However, that is not to say it 'must' be the answer, because there would need to be proof for that. Phenomenal hypothesizes require phenomenal empirical evidence.
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Don't underestimate children. 1000 ft elevation is nothing for 6-10 y.o. children. Some of hikers with whom I was climbing were taking their children routinely on 1500 ft of elevation and 5-10 miles in distance.
Considering this happened so close to Estes Park, I would not be surprised if Alfred wandering into an open portal and transported him to where he was found. If you believe in any of that stuff, it makes sense when you think about it and search the history of the park. A lot of paranormal stuff has happened there and around that area
@YTCensors you can literally google it dude.
Real talk lesson. Stop underestimating kids. Yes, a reasonably athletic 4 year old could climb that far. Their upper body strength isn't great...but they don't weigh very much either and they can be quite agile. Kids frequently have a much easier time going up and over rough terrain than adults do, but search and rescue personnel consistently assume that kids can't do things because they couldn't. Not saying anything about if this is what happened in this case but, this is definitely a thing. It's a trend and it's a trend that leads to kids who have gotten themselves into places adults couldn't or wouldn't have gone - that they can't then get out of - not being found.
Estees gave me a nice little laugh lol, reminded me of my little brother’s pronounciation of it, loving the videos btw
Same I laughed out loud. One of my transplant friends says estees instead of estes.
Loved your explanations on the last wendigoon video, even if I'm not an American weird stuff like this happens in Europe as well, maybe one day you'll cover some european missing 411 cases
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i was actually wondering of this could happen on such a larg scaLe in europe, as the populations are more dense compared to the nationalparks of the US Canada ot bether saids America as a whole. west and central europe at least do not have that much "open" space.
To be fair, there aren't any "411" cases in Europe, as 411 is specifically regarding the USA and Canada. Definitely some very strange happenings in Europe, though, I write with a young woman who travels Europe for her studies who gives me a lot of odd stories to look into, I'd love some more light shined on those on a wider scale.
@@todayisforever Europe has a lot of wilderness. Even the countries that are known to be urban to Americans like the UK and France and such, it's not that different from the USA in the sense that, outside of the cities, it's forests, plains, mountains, farmland, they're not the main publicized destinations, but they very much do exist, and there very much are national parks, over 500 of them, if I recall correctly.
@@todayisforever there is a lot of open space, many eu countries outside cities still have small towns or villages surrounded by wilderness that you can easily get lost in and not be found, and other than natives, Americans have been around for a few hundred years, we have buildings far older, cryptids and ghost stories, thousands of unsolved mysteries
@@Leo-wh1stThat's what impressed me about European countries & the UK how much open space still exists.
Southern California is rapidly losing open space, greenbelt & farmland for miles( Kilometers) & miles of ugly suburban subdivisions & poorly designed strip malls with low occupancy rates.
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It could've been an eagle, I've seen golden eagles pick up goats, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that Alfred strayed away and was picked up by a large eagle.
Seems unlikely to me3 since bloodhounds could follow the trail, if an Eagle picked him up I feel like it wouldn't have left one since he wouldn't have rubbed against anything.
@@virtualshark9203 maybe he wandered off into the woods for some reason hence leaving the trail and was then being lifted off by am Eagle?
I feel like I've gone through half of this channel's videos in like a day
8:00 Could’ve been a blood type test, as that’s what a lot of investigators used before DNA testing, though I don’t know if it existed then
Blood types were discovered in 1901!
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theres something out there, idk what, but theres either portals , time slips , or who knows what.... but too many children, found way too far away ..
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A darker possibility could be, a family with twelve mouths to feed in Depression Era America decided that they needed one less mouth to feed :/
So they go on vacation with all the effort and expenses that entails? Yeah, no. They sound pretty well off.
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It would take a kid roughly 3 hour to walk 6 miles. He could have easily made that distance In 24 in hours.
July 1936 saw that area reach a high temperature of 110 degrees, and a full week saw a Sun-up to Sun-down temperature NOT fall below 91 degrees.
As a Colorado native who live about an hour a way from Estes (Ess-tset but subtract the last 't' sound), I had never heard of this story
When I was a teen I went to my local park for a walk. I had my headphones in so was not entirely aware of my surroundings. Apparently someone's toddler saw me and liked my outfit so much that she followed me for almost a quarter mile before I stopped and she grabbed my hand. She scared the hell out of me. I screamed all high pitch and everything lol, but then I asked who she was and where her parents were and I took her right back to the playground where her parents were absolutely panicking obviously. The whole time I was terrified that I would get charged with kidnapping.
Toddlers do weird things.
And I'm far more aware of my surroundings at all times now too.
This is gonna sound stupid, and probably isn’t gonna fit with the evidence (I’m listening to this as background noise so I’m not paying much attention), but could him falling into a crevice into a sinkhole or a cave be a possibility?
I saw a chart that correlates cave systems and missing 411s, and figured how there could be holes or child sized cracks in the ground. And the hole/crevice closed up due to mud closing it up after a rain or tectonic plates or whatever shifting.
Who wants to go and look for a child in the Devils Nest?
Sure boss what could go wrong?
I wonder if the kids body was buried where the digs kept going
I looked at a map of this park to get a better understanding of where everything is, but now I’m even more confused than before I looked. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but roaring river looks really far from Estes park and it doesn’t seem likely that someone would take their family of 12 to go on a hike to that location especially with the youngest child being 4 years old. And devils nest doesn’t exist anymore??? I searched it up into google to see if the name was changed, but i couldn’t find anything about it there either. I saw devils gulch and birds nest, but I couldn’t find anything that said devils nest
I wonder if they called off the search simply because they thought these people had enough kids and losing one of them isn't a big deal. Or that the fact that they were irresponsible and deserved this punishment.
yeah those dogs stopped at the place the child was consumed at
From Colorado, and can say it's rare for Estes Park or nearby RMNP of similar or higher elevation to get above 85, only half the summer days even reach 80, even in height of summer. If not assuming the most extreme weather the area has ever had and going by average, most likely it was around 70-80F if it was a nice day.
My guess is honestly mountain lion -- plenty in that area and a young child of that age could easily be dragged away by one and it explains the scent being up the mountain - it is weird circumstances with no blood etc, but not impossible as there may not have been much struggle with a 4 year old.
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Alfred hsd a bandaged blister on his foot. A large bird may have dragged him up the hill, pausing where the dogs stopped to get a better grip, before carrying Alfred off to Devils Nest on Mt Chapin where he was seen by William J. Eells, a radio appliance employee from Denver, and his wife before the bird carried him off and ate him.
I'm only late to the channel but I've got a grand unifying theory of this stuff.
Perhaps the Feds already knew that they'd never find Alfred... due to encountering this phenomenon previously? I wonder if that s why some of these searches never really get going for that reason.
Immediately mouton loin, 500 feet in the air absolutely a big cat that's why he screamed. Big cat grabbed him
I was completely distracted this entire video. How the heck did people figure out how to get to that vacation spot in 1938? Not only that, but a good camping area. And by what means did they get there? How did they get off of work (cars didn't go all that fast then, and I can't imagine many companies offered paid time off)? Where was the nearest gas station and how did they find it? And then, they find rangers in short order.
I think they lived in the area. As far as getting to the camping area, Trail Ridge Road was complete on the side of the park they were on by 1932 and was already a well known trail to the indigenous population of the area before it was improved for vehicle travel. As far as the rangers, the park was getting 660,000 visitors a year by 1938 so it probably wasn't that hard to find a ranger in a park that popular.
As someone who lives in Colorado the mispronunciation of names irks me, but can't expect someone not from here to know just by the spelling
This channel is like a "Behind the Music" episode on the "Search and Rescue Woods" creepypasta...
To me it sounds like a large bird of prey picked him up. Maybe he wondered off while none of the other kids were paying attention and then got scooped up. The way the dogs lead to a specific spot and just stop would be weird if a person or ground predetor took him, there would still be a scent trail.
Do you ever also look at roanoke tales? Also good content a little like yourself. Here in belgium we dont have this type of stuff. And thats why i like USA so much al the folklore! I love it.
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500 feet is not a far distance. Up, down or sideways. The creek at Estes park is very shallow. In town the creek wallows out into a meadow, a pond like hole is there. Otherwise, the creek is mostly less than knee deep.
Knee deep is still around neck/head height for a 4yr old tbh
The problem is the two potential locations, either for the boy's final resting place, or where a boy was apparently pulled back, can't both be correct. It has to be one or the other. The alleged sighting would have been open to subjective interpretation, especially considering hindsight, why did they scream, were they pulled back or simply moved quickly back by their own accord, was it the same child? At 500ft it would be very hard to determine any of this with any degree of certainty especially given its fleeting nature. Given all other things being equal, and they might not be, but with that assumption the bloodhound location would be the simplest. In the time bracket scavenging would have left some onvious signs, but if a corpse were lifted from the spot whole and carried away the hounds may not have been able to detect any further trail.
I think there is some unknown flying creature responsible for some of these cases. Could be a giant bird or something else but I think it is possible 🤔🤷🏼♀️
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Thunderbirds??? (Ov not the cartoon)
A Quetzalcoatl?
If you go camping and hiking with a 1 parent to 5 kid ratio no offense but of course something was going to happen. No school or organization would do that because it would be way too dangerous. I wonder how old the parentified kids were that were responsible for looking after him?
That’s what I’m curious about. Usually these cases live and die on the honesty and accuracy of reports. The entire situation (2 parents in front, 10 kids behind) seems questionable, but the events of the story could have only happened if he was last in line and trailing by a bit. If he was beside or in front of another child, then they would be able to at least say when he disappeared and very likely saw what took him. Assuming all other events happened as described, it seems possible or even likely that one or more of the children saw what happened and lied, either because they were afraid they’d be in trouble for not watching him better or because they thought no one would believe them. As for why it never came out, if the child was young enough, they could have convinced themselves that it didn’t happen and they imagined it.
cats can grab people by his jacket. kid probably just got shock like some people in danger stay quite in fear of being killed. mountain lion can drag a large ram up a cliff this kid would probably be no difference. plus a hiker did mention he saw the kid on the cliff and scream. a mountain lion probably dragged it to a den past some water source to feed some kittens or somewhere since no evidence.
National parks gonna national Park..... That legit made me giggle
Dude. I have a place in Estes park. It’s not Estes(like testes) but es-tiss.
Great video. Also great hair. It's fuckin perfect. Reminds me of the early 2000's, and in a good way!
The best coverage of this too little discribed Case, thank you!!!😊
Bad parenting led to a dead kid. End of story.
Wendigoon sent me here, but I stay for you and the missing 411
Love this video! Except the way you say Estes park, it scratches my brain like a fork on a plate…idk why it’s not a big deal. Anyways love your videos and the way you respect cultures mythology and folklore!
I literally came to the comments to see if anyone else was uncomfortable with the way he said Estes 😂
Sounds like a mountain lion they do like to hangout on tall outcroppings watching for prey and will drag their kills to their place of seclusion so no other animals can get an easy free lunch.
1. Estes Park has two soft E's. Ehs-tehs. 2. Utah and Nevada are west of Colorado.
Hell, they wouldn't even have to have put money in the can if all they were doing was trying to arrest the ransomer. If they go to check the can, they're already in the trap, empty or not!