Phil Hartman Murder | Mental Health and Personality Factors
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the mental health and personality factors in the Phil Hartman murder case? Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: / drgrande
Narcissism:
There are two types of narcissism: With grandiose narcissism we see characteristics like being extroverted, socially bold, self-confident, having a superficial charm, being resistant to criticism, and being callous and unemotional. Vulnerable narcissism is characterized by shame, anger, aggression, hypersensitivity, a tendency to be introverted, defensive, avoidant, anxious, depressed, socially awkward, and shy.
American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Arlington, VA: Author.
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• The Last Days of Phil ...
I knew Phil Hartman as an aquaintance during this time and the 2-3 years leading up to his death through our shared interest in boating in Marina del Rey , California. I think a lot of Dr. Grandes' assesment of Phils personality was very good. What is missed, obviously as he never met him, is that Phil was one of the "good ones". Living in Hollywood as I have for 3 decades, the glow of celebrity wears thin very quickly. He was an actual good person. He was an extrovert but I would say in a gentle way. He wasnt the kind who would deliberatly "showboat" and feel that he had to be the center of attention, but he could quickly make an entire room burst out in laughter. He used to do an impersonation of my husband, who is himself a big personality with a strong German accent & He would walk up and down the dock doing the impersonation . Especially during the winter months, usually on a Sunday, he would call my husband at home to talk about boats. They would talk for a long time. My husband initially did not know who Phil was as a celebrity as he doesnt watch much television and certainly not SNL. I think Phil really liked that he could be himself with him. We never met his wife but it was pretty well known in the boating circles that he had married a " gold digger". We never saw her join him in his love of boating. I feel that Phil was 100% an innocent victim of an out of control cocaine addict. It is a horrifying and sad thing that his children havent had the blessing of growing up with such a kind person. The day we all heard the news left us speechless and sad. Rest In Peace to one of the Good Guys.
Thanks for sharing. I was always a fan of Phil's work. I have heard similar stories of him being a great guy.
Marvelous tribute to a friend
This is so sad. Thank you for sharing.
Would have been nice for Grande to acknowledge your personal and thoughtful input. Thank-you.
I ended up looking Phil up because the Depp/Heard situation reminds me so much of it. I am Glad Johnny got out of it alive.
I rarely comment, but this case still devastates me. Phil was so beloved by many of GenX, including myself, as well as my husband. The world was truly robbed of the many delightful comedic performances that never were because of Brynn's jealousy and resentfullness.
RIP Phil Hartman.
Wow, "Phil was being slowly killed by Brynn", exactly, so sad.
So true. I was in a relationship for 15 years, where my boyfriend manipulated and cried and then I finally left when I didn't recognize me anymore. It took about 3 years for me to rebuild my self esteem etc.. It was a hard lesson to learn and a mistake I'll never make again. They are slow and methodical thinking of ways to keep you guessing. By keeping you off balance you just learn to accept things so as not to make waves.
@@carolmitchell6155 Good for you, it's such a horrendous experience and these people are everywhere.
@@carolmitchell6155 I've definitely known people like that. The type I'm thinking of needs constant attention, but they don't care how they get it. The easiest way is by complaining, and it also offloads the pressure of that craving mindset by making it someone else's fault. They HAVE to complain about this or that, after all. It's not because they want to, or they're just being a pain demanding attention all the time even without earning it. They have no choice, they just HAVE TO complain. Like Lt. Columbo turning back around and saying, "Just one more thing ..."
@@carolmitchell6155
Yes, they're called narcissists, and they are a scourge on the earth.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560
Yes, they're called narcissists.
Pretty much EVERYTHING I've seen or read concerning Phil Hartman's murder has the finger pointed at him. Nearly everyone interviewed says: "Phil was successful but could hide inside himself, and Brynne just didn't know how to cope with that. It helped drive her to the edge." Your presentation was by far the most coherent, well-spoken and unbiased presentation of this case I've ever seen. You laid it out there: Brynn's narcissism and Phil's inability to confront. And though you didn't come right out and say it, Phil was an abused spouse who was only staying in the marriage for the kids. Even 22 years after this tragedy, husband abuse is still a taboo subject. Seriously, there are those who still blame him for his murder.
The sad part is the people who come out and defend Brynn as a "loving mother and wife; who was driven to desperation by her husband's success, and would never have done this if not for Zoloft". I counter: It is a proven fact that drugs lower your inhibitions and lower the veil to reveal who you really are inside. If anything, drugs exacerbated who Brynn really was inside: a ticking time-bomb."
Well-said!
It's kind of sick that somehow, the writers of those pieces can work it out in their heads that Brynn's lack of impulse control and...almost pathological refusal to take care of herself is somehow her husband's/murder victim's fault. That's no better than saying to a battered wife "he only hits you because you *make* him!" Disgusting.
This is a very insightful analysis, especially your point that In Brynne’s mind Phil personified the entertainment industry that had failed to further her acting aspirations. I would add that Phil’s inherent aloofness was identified by Brynne with the overall indifference she experienced at the hands of Hollywood. Being gifted with exceptionally good looks can sometimes elevate expectations about life’s delivering equivalent rewards. However, Hollywood is populated with a plethora of remarkable looking people, all vying for fame and fortune. While Brynne managed to attract Phil’s attention, its intensity was fleeting, as is fame. In the end, Brynne didn’t have the resources to deal with these realities on a professional or, most importantly, personal scale.
@Laura Whittaker: Agree totally. Well said.
I conquer💯
She didn’t have the resources? She has been to what I imagine were pricey rehabs several times. She could afford a therapist. The late 90s, early 2000s and on, there were plenty of opportunity for white blonde women in Hollywood, especially ones with connections. If mainstream doesn’t want you, the climate was changing with independent filmmakers, HBO, not tv, and ten years later podcasting, UA-cam, streaming etc. I feel badly for someone who takes their life....except for the ones who murder someone else before they kill themselves. Being an actress sounds cool, but if I’m not good enough or don’t work on my skills by doing improv, off Broadway, empty comedy clubs etc. then blaming the world is what an entitled person would do.
beautifully said.
@@mychannel-fy3tf I tried to launch an acting career in my mid 40s, after a yr. I could see I was too old and didn't have the talent to make it, I did get seen by some casting agents, one from NYC, the other from LA, both gave me thumbs down, the NY dude threw my resume and headshot on the floor in front of other people, his name was Bob Luke, he said I had no energy, the lady from LA said " when I first saw you, I wondered can this guy act? after that kind of stuff -- I left, I was a librarian by day, so I had a career going, I think I'm lucky I didn't move to show biz, it's lots of rejections and humiliation, retired now at 65, and feel lucky to be alive -- acting is a brutal career, many actors I met were bitter, angry, and desperate
Its been over 20 yrs and this still gets to me.
So sorry for your loss.
Yes! Me too! Phil was a shining light in this world!
@@MeatLockerBlitz lol
It’s upsetting when people fall in and continue to love crazy people
Me too.
Phil had been struggling for years to make it to the top. He made it. He was getting his own show. He had come a along way from being Captain Carl on the first Pee Wee show. With his own show he could have made a place in show business for her. All she had to do was hang on a little longer. She did not want to do the work. She was mad at him for not making her successful. She turned out to be a very toxic wife. This was a very sad case.
Sometimes you've just gotta call evil, spoilt, self entitled behaviour exactly what it is: *evil* .
Thank you Dr Grande. 🌹👍
@barefoot arizona Usually the D is at fault for letting crazy through the door.
Elisa Mastromarino ....and selfish. It takes a lot to kill a man and leave his children fatherless .
The thing is it's to easy to call someone evil. You need to get to the bottom of it so maybe you can help those suffering from the same affliction and prevent another life taken
SynnJynn nonsense. lt was what it was. She was evil. Not some tragic little lamb or victim.
No, barefoot. Brynn was a psycho bitch. Phil didn't bring this on himself.
"Slowly killed by Brynn." Wow- that struck a nerve with me. Great way to put that relationship in context. And how Phil represented her Hollywood rejection. Very astute. 👍
The only thing I was wondering you might of mentioned, is how Brynn accused Phil of cheating, but she was out there flirting, (trying to get a job or not is no excuse) and how she seems to have had an ongoing relationship with the man she ran to after the murder. Whether it was still a sexual relationship or not- who knows? My point is, I think she was projecting like a lot of cheaters do. Maybe there is no proof of her cheating, so that's why it wasn't brought up. Imo, she was probably doing extramarital things, (even if just flirting and inappropriate friendships, but possibly more) and while doing drugs and drinking, things can get a little "loose" if you know what I mean. I think she put HER cheating burden upon Phil just like she did all her other disappointments.
You nailed it! Certainly
Projection.
"It's hard to imagine a worse outcome for a relationship than a murder suicide". I had to pause to spit out my water.
Leaving 2 young children, orphans.
Understatement like that keeps me listening to Dr Grande. He’s a stitch.
@Mr. Layth Adrian Yes, that does sound bad, lol.
@Mr. Layth Adrian lmfao
I bet he said ‘l WILL TAKE the kids!!!!”’
I was shocked when this happened. So sad. His kids would be in their mid to late twenties now. I hope they are ok. I miss Phil ; he was enormously talented. 😢
It was 25 years ago
His son is 32 and his daughter is 29 and married, and apparently they are doing great because they were taken care of so well by family members
@@lynnetmb4706 Actually 23 years ago
I was a big NewsRadio fan growing up. Honestly I still miss him today.
Whenever I see him in something, I always think, "I wonder what Phil's doing now?" Then I remember he's gone. My mind blocks it out for some reason. Just can't accept it. Same with Chris Cornell... who was murdered by an associate of Epstein.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie l
I feel the same way. It makes me so sad. He was so talented in so many ways.
I was in my 20s when that show aired. I still miss him very much.
HRC
I really appreciate you covering these cases; I always feel like you give a balanced overview of what’s going on without the sensationalism that the media offers. I was just a kid when Phil Hartman was murdered but I became a huge fan post-mortem. If you have enough to go on, I’d love to see you do a video on Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love.
With all due respect, I don't think Dr. Grande will have enough information to assess the Cobain case, as the majority of that information has been ejected into the media by Ms. Love herself (and the forensic facts are quite different).
Mireille Blacke Yeah, I assumed so. 🤷🏼♀️
Mireille Blacke how do we go on the assumption that 99% of what comes of out of her mouth to this day is nothing but pure bullshit. That's the strange thing about people. It's like those two kids that killed their parents and then they plead their case to the court because now they are orphans. Say what?
Kurt Cobain was murdered as him and his girlfriend the bass guitarist from Hole (the dark haired beauty) were going to escape to Canada together and she was a member of some Bosnian Charity that supported the rape victims of the war in Bosnia from her uni days. She was also brutally murdered not long after Kurt. Yes. More victims who would have exposed the Clintons criminal actions in Bosnia and the UN
barefoot arizona except that nobody said that. People tend to consider the victim of abuse and a murder to be less “evil” than the murderer.
I love that you covered this. As a huge SNL and News Radio fan back then, I was so saddened when this happened. It was just so shocking and senseless. I devoured everything that was available at the time to learn all I could about what had happened. I firmly believe that not only did she "get revenge" on Hollywood, but she also ensured that she would finally, at least for a time, become famous.
Antique Macabre yep!!!!
Yes but not in a good way. That was a very selfish thing to do to her kids and they paid the price along with Phil.
Lionel Hutz: Well he's kinda had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog.
Marge: You did?
Lionel Hutz: Well actually replace the word 'kinda' with 'repeatedly' and the word 'dog' with 'son'.
Never watched but that 😂
Thats not funny at all.
@@lorimiller4301 oh man i haven't seen anyone clutch their pearls over the simpsons in a looong time
"Mr. Hutz do you realize you're not wearing any pants"? This was a sad ending for such a talented funny person. She hurt more people than she could have ever imagined.
@@lorimiller4301
It was an episode of The Simpson’s
I love the way that you point out that there is no excuse for bad behavior. No one makes you pick up a gun and kill somebody. It's your choice.
It’s worrisome to me when people do not want to hold people accountable due to a substance abuse or mental illness. So many people have tragic backgrounds but choose not to commit a horrific crime against another. I my heart goes out to anyone that suffers, but it’s still their responsibility to seek out help and take their medication responsibly.
She was in denial. That is part of the mental disorder. They have the grandiose effect.
Correct, absolutely nobody has the right to intentionally cause malicious harm to others or take another’s life because they have “issues.”
The dirty secret is that drugs don't make you an asshole. They just lower your inhibitions so your worst traits come out more easily.
@@PhoenixRising87 I agree with this. Drugs also test a person's ethical and moral codes. There are life long addicts who are trustworthy and compassionate. There are also plenty of addicts who are contemptable. But drugs didn't turn them into a different person. The flaws were already there, waiting to be tested. Some people struggle and maintain a degree of dignity and honour. Many don't.
It’s not an excuse, it’s an explanation.
Oh my God, I couldn't watch this video fast enough. I was a HUGE fan of Phil Hartman's and I was absolutely crushed by his murder. 😰 I still get sad whenever I think of him or see him in SNL reruns. SUCH an enormously talented funny man.
so agree. he was special.
same
Thank you fellow Gen-X er. You remember! Don't forget that he started as Captain Karl on Pee Wee's Playhouse, sooo good.
Sometimes it's better to just walk away when the red flags start to show up, to just save ourselves the pain or avoid that someone set us an appointment with god.
Sometimes I find myself wondering what Phil would be doing if he was still alive today. He'd be turning 72 in 2020, but he'd probably still have an amazing career.
It's a damn shame we never got to see it.
This one was so heartbreaking as Phil Hartman was one of our family's favourite comedians...such a tragedy
Yea, she destroyed so many hearts just because she couldn't be as good as her husband. she was truly pathetic and will always be remembered as a murderer she just couldn't stop failing.
@@TheKnives777 we cried like our best friend died. He definitely left a dent and our lives are poorer from the great loss. The poor man was obviously dealing with a psycho he had no clue how to deal with
he was a dear friend, it seemed. I loved him since a very young age. even at 7, 8 years old I got his humour and charm. much like john candy. just those people that catch your attention and your heart when you see them perform
@@phillytheflyerable they resonated with the world, an entire generation was given so much mirth and joy, we laugh less without them
@@aussiehillbilly yes. their warmth and charisma took up the whole screen. I miss them both, both canadian boys
When this happened, I read that a number of Phil's friends said Brin was so abusive of Phil, trying to say cruel things and humiliate him in public, that it was extremely disturbing to see and be around. So this didn't come about despite Brin's personality or true feelings, for sure. She was an abuser who at long last escalated to the final possible degree.
Yeah... it was so messed up when Phil Hartman was murdered. I was in my late teens. He was a truly funny guy and seemed nice. I remember feeling so badly for their kids. You made really valid points. Thanks for covering this, Doc.
Were the kids his and hers together?
Yes!
The fact the friend sat with Brynne for 3 hours, with a gun, makes me question their relationship. Had she threatened Phil before? Had she threatened the friend?
She probably did; hell, she'd be far from the first abuser to tell their victim "I'll kill you and then myself if XYZ happens."
This was a true tragedy because Phil was a great talent and had so much more left to give to the world with his talent. This case always bothered me because of how severe and senseless it seemed. Your take on his wife seeing Phil as a representation of her rejection by Hollywood is very insighful and does serve as a bit of clarity in this really bizarre horrible event.
Agreed. I was a adolescent when this occurred. I watched Hartman SNL episodes frequently and enjoyed his work. I remember feeling that Brynn's actions were selfish and a result of her substance use. Your analysis provides insight I had not considered.
Was Bryn Sexually Abused as a Child ?
Lori Miller honestly, what does that do? Justify her behavior? She was an evil, selfish murderer.
@@miriamhavard7621 yeah, it doesn't really mean anything. Countless people were/are sexually abused as children and don't end up murdering their spouses.
I appreciate your paying tribute to my generation by looking at these older cases. There seems to have been a lot of tragedy with some of the SNL actors and other comedians. It's very disheartening.
@Diana Marie, I appreciate your use of your instead of you. Even PhDs get this wrong. I fear we are losing this piece of grammar.
Why is your better than you..?
Your paying tribute is a gerund phrase. I is subject. Appreciate is verb. Your paying tribute is the object. Like, we say he likes to run but his running on the treadmill annoys me.
@@ellenthom34
Are you serious?
Do you have anything intelligent or interesting to contribute to the topic at hand, which is the murder of a Hollywood actor, besides calling out, of all things, an error on a strangers post that was made 2 years ago?
Yes, 2 years ago.
No one is impressed by your intelligence, nor your lesson on how we should correctly address a sentence.
This isn't a school classroom, it's UA-cam.
A public forum.
The world isn't going to the dungeons of hell because of the misuse of words from time to time.
Get a grip and try to focus on the topic at hand instead of criticizing someone else's incorrect use of words in their, *gasp*, topic at hand comment.
Try it sometime.
@@Lisa-hc3uq Same could be said to you.
Wow. Impressive analysis. It does seem that Phil truly had no idea it was coming, otherwise he'd never have gone to sleep with such a threat looming.
I'm sure he didn't see it coming. This was a woman that he loved and trusted. She was a beautiful woman, and more then likely seemed harmless.
Mireille Blacke ---He was used to the dysfunctional, he’s the boiling frog who doesn’t realize he’s being cooked.
Judy Wright BINGO!!!
He seemed like such a good guy. I loved most everything he did when I was growing up. So sad, he was taken too early and for such a senseless reason. Such a talent I still wonder what he would have gone on to do if he hadn't died.
Dr. Grande,
I remember this case quite well. Phil Hartman was the woman’s comedian. He had good looks, sex appeal, and endearing wit. Something about him made you think he was focusing on you personally-trying to get just you to laugh. He was unique amongst his peers.
Thank you for covering him. We don’t have that many great comedians anymore. Seriously, too many are negative with no hope in their humor.
BTW. No one discusses Brynn’s physical health. I think menopause also contributed along with the substance abuse.
Your take on the murder on Phil Hartman is interesting. However, you failed to mention domestic abuse. I was 20 years old when this happened. After the truth came out about their relationship, it was obvious to me that Hartman was an abused spouse. This is the dirty little secret that is constantly ignored in our culture and legal system: women can be just as abusive and destructive in relationships.
His life was in danger the longer he stayed in this toxic marriage. I can understand Hartmann’s hesitancy in divorcing. He had two kids, and he would have another failed marriage under his belt. This was a classic domestic abuse situation, a no one wants call it what it is.
Instead of Brynn trying to make a life for herself in other professional fields, she was using her husband to do that. Hartmann was in an impossible situation. This is a lethal double standard: I want to bask in my husband’s success. I expect success because “my man” is successful!!! If I don’t get what I want, it’s the man’s fault.
The whole substance abuse thing is massive problem in our society. There are so many people who are active drug users and alcoholics. This kind of things really screws up the brain. I have made a rule to myself never to date anyone who is a substance abuser. I am still out on dating recovered substance abusers. The situation is too volatile and precarious.
Very astute comment! And yes, drug and alcohol really screw up a person’s brain and ability to think! I’ve learned from experience that dating recovered alcoholics or drug abusers is unwise because the character traits that predisposed them to substance abuse are still part of that person‘s character. Also, the damage that drugs and alcohol do to the brain is permanent, so those peoples’ brains don’t function well after they stop abusing the substances.
Phil must hv loved his wife or may hv pitied her... something! and his kids cuz a man divorced 2x doesnt hv a problem pulling the trigger again and divorcing a 3rd time... the likelihood of divorce actually goes up. Maybe he liked the crazy side of her at times and just thought he cd handle this volatile situation?
Well, dr.Grande mentions that it seems to him that the husband, Phil, had been slowly “ground down, “killed slowly”, by his wife.
Dirty Magic11 I agree. But I don’t see how that relates to my earlier comment.
If I recall correctly, she had also been diagnosed as Bi-Polar I.
I just found about this case and the relationship reminds me of Johnny Depp's case. Along with the borderline and histrionic personality disorders. It's just chilling to think what could've happened eventually if he didn't decide to leave when he did.
Yes, another borderline personality disorder with narcissism to boot and her beauty obscured her mental instability to Phil just as Amber Heard fooled Johnny Depp with her beauty. Both women with abandonment and jealousy issues; emotionally unhinged. This one even more so in and out of rehab. The poor kids, Phil was really in a mess here.
Friends warned Phil. I watched a show on his friends letting him know of their concerns for his safety. Such a mystery case thanks for explaining it.
This hurted my heart! The most compelling part of the story was when the police were carrying their kids out in their pj’s and handing them to her sister.
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I noticed in ABC interview “The last days of Phil Hartman” minute 4:53, that Lisa’s marriage in 1982 after two weeks marriage, she said “ he was elusive, beyond your reach” and then his relationship changed. Lisa said he was two people, one the actor entertainer, the other ‘the recluse’ and Phil’s absence showed he was not vulnerable, afraid to show his true feelings. This is the sixth facet of Neuroticism, ( which Dr. Grande explained in that video ) . Commentator says “Phil is not vulnerable, he will not let you into his life “. Phil’s lack of vulnerability is a predisposition to failure in each of his marriages. 😄😄👋
Good work, Dr. Gran❤️e.
Brynn was taking SSRI's and mixing them with cocaine and alcohol. This is very significant in affecting her thinking, aggression, and impulsiveness. Many people on SSRI's become very dangerous when they combine them with other drugs or alcohol.
Not to mention non compliance and taking Zoloft on and off brings a horrible rebound of depression.
M Santana she was an unstable mess before that. I wouldn't blame the drugs. Drugs just magnify your flaws.
She was a sow. She was envious of Phil. Pig.
@@denisebaber4976 drugs are extremely dangerous when taken together with alcohol and cocaine!
Self centred, she could've just taken herself OUT!
“There’s a sense that in this relationship Paul is being slowly killed by Brinn. Of course it gets abrupt at the end with the actual murder” I died😂😂😂😂
his name is phil
Thank you for this breakdown. As a lover of all things Simpsons the death of Phil broke my heart. I couldn’t watch anything on his death because it was needlessly tragic. Thank you for telling this story without being triggering.
“Based on the outcome...it seemed pretty bad to me.” Dr Grande bringing the hard truths tonight 😂
"...it seemed pretty bad to me." 😂
clearly missed his calling as a homicide detective
His beautiful wife has always gotten her way, and for Hollywood to reject her was unbearable for her ego.
she was average beautiful in Hollywood. maybe back in her hometown she was it, but in Hollywood and LA, lots of competition. made her more insecure.
She wasn't a great beauty at all.
She was tall with a very average face. And she was getting old. She couldn't take reality.
@@rtoma1974 My thoughts exactly. I always thought Brynn was rather plain, appearance wise. Not drop dead gorgeous, and definitely not ugly... just plain.
I've seen pictures of their grown-up daughter Birgen, though, and she is an absolute stunner!
Then they were a good match with their appearance then🙄
The bottle didn't say, 'Don't take with cocaine'. Lol.
Why do ppl. end a serious comment with LOL
Remember hearing troubling stories about her in the entertainment shows and sections in the papers and thinking, this is not going to end well. But I thought she was going to do harm to Phil's ex-wife or their kids. When I heard she had murdered him, it was shocking.
Wow, makes me think that Johnny Depp & Amber Heard broke up in the nick of time!
I stumbled across your channel & before I knew it I was subscribed & watching almost every one of them. Now, how would you diagnose that, an addictive disorder? Love the dry sense of humor and the quick "side note jokes" without a whisper of a smile. Great content! ❤️
God, this was horrible. Their relationship was clearly abusive and he was in a position like many victims of abuse where he felt he couldn't leave. That plus the whole stigma of men having to "tough it out" in those kind of situations, or even the idea by some that women can't be abusive, which is wrong. Drugs and alcohol just made a bad situation worse. I feel so sorry for his family having to pick up the pieces after he was gone. Thank goodness she never went after his children, too.
"Here's the thing with prescription medications: it's not always safe to mix them with alcohol or other drugs" 😂This case is particularly sad but I couldn't help but laugh at the dry humor here
Phil Hartman's murder really hurt me. I just loved him SO much. It was just so unfair!! What a sweet guy...RIP Phil!
I only watched Newsradio because he was in it. He seemed genuinely nice, to me.
I want to say, “Phil Hartman thanks you from the other side!” I love and miss him so. You are spot-on as usual Dr T.
This one still hurts my soul...
Me too, at least a couple of times a year I think how I miss him and wish he was around to make us laugh.
YES.
Perhaps PHIL WAS THE PROBLEM!!!
@@carolnahigian9518 while I’ll agree that there is always a possibility, his wife checked off all the boxes for abusive partner.
Apparently Phil tried to get her acting parts time after time. She was pushing him to do that and he tried. So it wasn’t his fault or trying to undermine her acting aspirations. She was bitter at lack of success
There are a lot of people drawn to Hollywood because they had a great emptiness inside.
It's insane knowing that Phil was genuinely the nicest guy in Hollywood. Most have tons of skeletons in their closets in that industry... But Phil Hartman was just a good guy. Through and through. Tragic.
That was one mean-looking woman, in every picture I've seen of her. Poor Phil! :(
You need to do Johny Depp and that narcissistic ex from Aquaman
“I think the problem really comes down to that there’s a limit to what they can fit on those prescription bottles in terms of warnings.”
Phil's unwillingness to divorce probably arose more from conscientiousness than from agreeableness given that they had kids to raise.
Joe: Just give her half and get this divorce over with.
Phil: It's not half it's two thirds, she get's a third and the lawyers get a third.
Social constructs lay heavy guilt on people, pressure is put in them to stay with 24 kt losers.
I wonder if he felt like a failure with three marriages that went sour.
I really enjoyed Phil Hartman's "everyman" talent. I will always remember how shocking it was to hear about this case. He really had a wonderful talent. I felt so heartbroken for their children.
Miss Phil for sure, Lionel Hutz was one of my fav Simpsons characters.
After watching at least 50 of Dr. Grande's analysis I rate this one #1. Incredibly inciteful, accurate, sad and peppered with Todd's black humor. We lost an important comedic talent to guns and drugs that night. I miss Phil every time I watch SNL.
Being a long-time, diehard fan of SNL, I do recall that scene you referred to.
Really appreciate your analysis of such a tragic occurrence. SPOT ON, like usual! Clear, concise, logical, & helpful in understanding & closure.
Thanks from Michigan.
It's the first time I'm hearing about this story and sadly when you said that she was slowing killing him, and explaining the symptoms I could relate, you described my mother.
There's no stability she goes from someone caring to extremely violent and it's hard to hate her for a long time because she doesn't feels or says "sorry", she simply acts like nothing happened and makes you questions if something really happened or if you should bring the previous issues to the light again. Self-pity, self-admiration, lack of awareness, lack of graditute, jealousy, extreme possessiveness, "short memory" and "physical illness", gaslighting, extreme violence, love for attention is all I'm dealing with right now. I have no place to go and no documents because she's "guarding" them in a "safe place", no keys, no bank account, I'm studying online. She separated me from the world, friends that I had. I was made to think that they are dangerous and can "kill me", used me as an instrument to hurt my father and was verbally abusive when I didn't wanted to, all this resulted in me having absolutely no one but her and fear of hurting myself in tentative to "escape".
Sounds like my sister...
You try but there is nothing you can do.
Megan Wow, that’s quite a lot you’re dealing with. I bet it’s especially bad now we are all in isolated lockdown.
I have had very similar experiences. It’s not anything you are doing that makes your mother behave this way.
You are being abused.
I hope you can reach out to lifeline, or a support phone line for victims of domestic abuse.
You do not have to suffer like this.
There are many people who are equipped to offer you support.
This sort of abuse never gets better, it just escalates.
You deserve a much better experience of life. You deserve to be loved and treated decently.💕✌️
@@nicoles7800 thanks
My mom also displayed psychotic, abusive behavior. l was SO glad to finally escape!!!!
This is where the saying comes from: Don´t put your stick in crazy.
Or put a ring on it!
next time my mum says she never liked my ex bf I'll be like, "well, it wasn't a murder-suicide."
That Will warm her heart, I feel it 😂😂😂
There's still time for it to eventuate. Never say never.
You dont really see the glue until its gone and everything falls apart. Newsradio was like 20 of my best little friends. When phil was taken from us it was like switching to non alcoholic cigarettes. Rip phil, you never met me but you kept me company when no one else would. You helped shape my outlook on life and MOST importantly showed me how to use comedy as armour. Thank you friend.
l remember the night l heard it on the radio and was shocked to say the least..lt was so sad that he was killed just as he was starting to really make a name for himself but the two real victims in this were the children that were left behind with no Mother or Father..My heart went out to them first and foremost because no one knows what they saw or heard and what they did/will remember from that night.
Fascinating analysis. I like the astute observation of the swinging earring. What sticks out to me is that their relationship was one were each of them objectified the other.
Patricia Bell Despite being directed not to?
Peg E Can you offer a definition in which they would not objectify each other?
Everyone objectifies everyone. Fact.
Its a bit tricky because self promotion is part of their job.
I remember when this happened. Still breaks my heart. I’m a recovering addict. Different substance, but still when you mix relationships with drugs it never works out
Brilliantly analyzed. His identity disappeared into her anger about her thearted hopes and ambitions.
The Phil Hartman murder was shocking. I knew nothing about Brynn until the murder. At the time, I only knew she had drug addictions and apparent mental problems. I didn't know she left the house and met anyone between shooting Phil and killing herself. I agree this was a premeditated murder, regardless of cocaine or antidepressants. Drug addicts don't normally commit murder, unless they are prone to violence.
My goodness, thank you for this. I loved Phil Hartman's work, even as Captain Carl on Pee Wee's Playhouse. What a horrible end to his life. Thank you for taking the time to look into it and shed light on the reasons for this insane tragedy!
Hi Dr. Grande,
This one is really sad, what a waste of two lives, and those poor kids have to live with this horror the rest of their lives.
I always thought they were utterly different people. She was probably very charming and lovable at first, and I’m sure he must’ve loved her. He didn’t have to marry a 3rd time!
I think the only thing they had in common at the end were the kids. They were at different points in their professional lives. He was accomplished and a success, she wasn’t, and that’s all she wanted. As he became simply tired of her constant insecurity he withdrew, emotionally and physically. That proved to make her even more needy. I do believe she was sucking the life out of him, and I think he stayed because of his kids. I think he wanted to give them a traditional happy childhood. He was probably convincing himself that his wife would stop, that’d she drop the “career” thing and be happy to simply be his wife and a Mom. She couldn’t admit that she wasn’t a success because she simply wasn’t talented enough. He did get her some breaks. If she was talented enough she would’ve taken off. She blamed him for not helping her, not willing to admit to herself she shouldn’t NEED anymore help than he’d already given.
Of COURSE he didn’t see her shooting him coming. He certainly wasn’t in the same emotional state. And bring drug abuse into it on her part, not good.
People today are so shocked at the very MENTION of cocaine use. Back in the 80-90s, ESPECIALLY the 80s, cocaine use was common, especially in the entertainment field. Most used it more like a party favor, as it kept one from getting “drunk” from alcohol and you could go longer. Plus the cost was high, so most didn’t over indulge. However those that moved on to constant use, mixing with other drugs or harder drugs found out quickly the damage it could render to your life!
She was obviously intensely insecure, and needed constant propping up in that regard. Cocaine would’ve been appealing to her as it gives one a feeling of invincibility. She was the LAST person that should’ve been around guns. Too easy to do something impetuous and not thought out, especially if on multiple drugs, and then realize what you’ve just done!
So here they are, she’s attention starved because she wants fame, no amount of attention he gave her was sufficient. He’s not doing drugs, and is pulling away because he was drained, and probably getting increasingly disgusted (that level of neediness is a turn off to say the least!). His pulling away made her worse and that cycle ends badly when weapons are handy. I believe he gave her one gun as a gift. If so, the irony is stunning!
They probably argued, she was high, he was over it and went to bed. She got MAD, and killed him, and was probably shocked that she actually did. I feel that’s why she called her ex, she was high, in shock and couldn’t be alone. She probably continued getting high until the drugs were gone. Then it REALLY hit her, police have been called, dead husband and she had a final snap.
Since my husband was a touring musician for many years, back in those days too, I’ve certainly seen my fair share of people with cocaine issues. I can see how this can happen! His nickname was “Sarg” as he did not tolerate this kind of thing. He knew all too well that it’s about the worst thing you could do.
When this case broke in the news, we just looked at each other and said at the same time, “who in the hell let her be around guns?”
It’s too bad Hartman didn’t realize what a bad idea that was. It’s a good thing the kids were left out if it. It could’ve been a bigger tragedy!
So sad for the families, especially the kids. It’s a cautionary tale, yet in the following years people started consuming even worse drugs, heroin and opiates. I’ll NEVER understand that, and why the switch in public consumption! But that’s another story! LOL!
I agree with your take on this sad situation. And as always, thanks for your hard work, and sharing with all!
Best Wishes!
Phil Hartman was one of those people who's humor and delivery was unique and is truly missed by myself as well as others. His had the ability to get into character and keep a straight face while saying the most hilarious stuff was genius. I remember one SNL episode when Phil was hosting and during his monologue he says something to the effect of I hate my hate, then proceeds to say ' I'm just kidding dear' This was a brief peek into the turmoil behind the camera that ultimately led to the tragic outcome Dr. Grande is discussing here. Well made video and analysis, I suspect the Dr. was a fan as well.
"When someone else's happiness, is your happiness, that is love" Lana Del Rey.
She should have realized that😔
Narcissistic people can't. Not something they can do, through no fault of their own.
Phil should've realized it because she wasn't happy with him getting success and her getting none.
@@turtle19dad children complicate things.
@@sandorclegane3658 oh yeah. We would damn near put ourselves through anything for them.
@@turtle19dad Phil stayed for them. He wouldn't have got them in divorce, and, it would be messy for the kids.
There’s an apocryphal story that one of the people who supplied her with the drugs was Andy Dick and that when Jon Lovitz found out about his role in the tragedy, Lovitz basically tracked Dick down (not that it had to be too difficult; he was in a bar) and walked over to him, slammed his head into the bar and just beat the crap out of him.
Also, your description of her desire for fame was eerily close to an exact summary of the Simpsons episode in which Troy McClure marries Selma.
Side note: Hartman’s friend and Simpsons creator Matt Groening had begun work on his next project by the point that this happened and Hartman was already on board. So if anyone didn’t know, Hartman’s next role was going to be Zapp Brannigan on Futurama.
He’s still greatly missed. I remember seeing the news covered when I was a freshman in high school. When the last SNL anniversary prime time episode was broadcast, I had a viewing party at my home and when they took time to honor cast members who have passed, I had one of my guests said “oh yeah, I forgot Phil Hartman committed suicide and I lost my mind. You’re doing the Lord’s work keeping people properly reminded of this great man. It’s not the most pleasant part, obviously, but we do so much harm when we refuse to stare down the problems our society faces - even those of its own creation. Thank you.
I'm so sick of hearing that apocryphal story. I don't care if a drug addict gave drugs to another addict. I assume, by her height, build, and the fact that she had children, that Brynn Hartman was, in fact, not a toddler. She was a grown-ass woman who (supposedly) wanted to have an acting career, not to mention she had children to take care of. Staying clean was her responsibility; that woman went out of her way to not take care of herself. That's no one else's fault but hers.
But yeah...Phil Hartman is still missed.
@@PhoenixRising87 you realize more than one factor can the cause of something, right?
@@ellymizrahi1199 Did you miss the part wherein I said "staying clean was her responsibility"? Brynn was a sick woman who stubbornly refused to take care of herself, and all this retroactive passing the buck onto some guy who *might* have given her drugs is exactly the kind of narrative a person like that would *want.*
@@PhoenixRising87 Yeah, umm, obviously I didn't miss it as my reply was pointing out how you seem to think that any event has only one cause. But I can see why you'd want to double check that as you seem to miss A LOT and I'm sure assume that others are like you, but rest assured, I think you'll find that most other people do a better job than you do. Also, I'm not sure about "retroactively passing" anything as that makes no sense. You see, time moves forward in a line. When we talk about something happening before, we typically refer to this as "the past." Courts don't retroactively convict people because the crime happened in the past. You don't retroactively pay for the lunch you ate today just because it happened in the past. Now, since I've saved you some time that you certainly would have spent researching for a doctoral dissertation on retroactivity, maybe use the time to volunteer with people suffering with mental health issues like working at a help line. Though, as someone with a Masters in Counseling, I would caution on leading with "you're sick, go take care of yourself, that's YOUR responsibility." I don't think they would find that very helpful.
Fascinating case and brilliant analysis!
Your conclusion about Phil Hartman being the embodiment of Hollywood establishment in the eyes of Brynn makes a lot of sense. Really tragic story.
Thank you Dr. Grande for another fantastic video:)
New Radio was brilliant! Hartman was a master.
I never saw any of this from this angle, but the details you brought up fit very well. I think he Loved her, but probably didn't show it well. She likely wouldn't have believed him, anyway. So tragic. Even though the kids are grown now, my heart still goes out to them. They lost so much.
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On Dr Grande while on my exercise bike xxx thank you I’m actually married to a guy who has absolutely not a bad bone in his body . I am blessed xxx
Lucky you!
I was really disturbed when this happened. Couldn’t fathom how anyone could do this to another.
BPD rage is a helluva drug.
Dr Grande, would you please give an analysis of the Lizzy Borden murder case. Im in a true crime group and would really like to hear if you think Lizzy murdered her parents, the case is so famous among us true crime ppl, worldwide...thank you.
It is an odd case. It appears on the version with Christina Ricci that she admitted it by whispering in her sisters ear. In the Elizabeth Montgomery version. It went off with her still denying it.
But the thing is. They never found any blood on her clothing or anything. So it just seem very odd.
@@ladennayoung2939 If I remember correctly, the montgomery ends with her sister asking if she did it and montgomery sort of slightly smirks. fade out.
@@ladennayoung2939 always have a second set of clothes before u kill someone.
@@ladennayoung2939 ..She was seen burning one of her dresses, shortly after her fathers funeral. She burned the dress in the kitchen stove, not outside, she admitted doing it and said it was stained by paint. I don't pay attn to movies about her, i mean they are just movies, mainly for entertainment. I have studied the actual trial transcripts.
This will always be a tragic memory for me. Loved Phil Hartman.
Phil's friends knew she was crazy. when the news came out it was something they expected.
This was extremely interesting, Dr. Grande. Thank you. Phil Hartman was such a gifted actor and did so many animation character’s voices that I loved including “JiJi” in “KiKi’s Delivery Service.” He is greatly missed.
Those two were misguided. This is an example of when marriage is toxic....
I loved Phil Hartman. I'm so glad I finally have a chance to understand what happened.
Superb analysis of a very sad case. The world lost a bright star in Phil Hartman. Your presentation of the case was logical and well-organized.
Thanks Dr Grande. 🙂
Hope you & your family are well!
✌🏻
Wow! She was really 9 years younger than him? She looks 9 years older than him in some of the pics. Drugs will really mess you up...
Thank you doctor for covering a case that isn't known in the US only. I'm quite a true-crime-junkie and know a lot of US- cases and others from all over the world, however most cases you prefered to take a deeper look at in recent times I've never heard of before. This couple is indeed familiar to me! 🙂 Stay well everyone. 🌼
Your deadpan delivery is delicious.
Great piece of evidence that men can be victims of abuse in a relationship as well. Something most people not only don’t accept but scoff at. But it’s a very real and far more common occurrence than most realize
that was really interesting...i am, frankly, shocked that more stories like this are not floating around hollyweird...fragile egos, constant rejection, rabid fans and paparazzi, and the exhausting notion that everything about yourself that has (marketable) value also has a short shelf-life...just thinking about it all makes me feel homicidal, and i'm an agorophobic hat-maker.
amy joy - Once upon a time big news was when Buttermilk accidentally stepped on Dale Evans foot while she was getting in the saddle Roy gave her for a wedding 💝 present.Things moved super fast from that to this.
@@qiuwbr091 agreed...looking back, it seems strange that it was all organic change and the slow passage of time...retrospect is unfairly short.
@@OtterMunchy Remember that in the golden age of Hollywood a lot of people paid a lot of money to keep bad stories quiet.
@@b.f.2461 truth.
Documentary "Misery loves Comedy" see Freddie Prinze.
I was and still remain a huge fan of Phil Hartman. This case is one where I keep wishing it could have ended differently. It’s beyond sad.
I remember when Phil Hartman was an SNL regular; he could be hilarious. I wasn't aware of all this going on in the background, however. It reminds me of what a pressure cooker it must be for any couple in the public eye, or of mixing volatile ingredients in a beaker back when I was taking chemistry classes in college and of having to be careful to do it so that there is not an explosion.
Dr. Grande, I watch your videos religiously. Thank you so much for sharing your insight and having an honest intellectual discourse in all the materials you publish. You're awesome!
Wow! You’ve been covering a lot of great cases! Love your channel!
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Poor Phil, he didn't deserve it. But i can't help but empathize with Brynn, she suffered addiction and mental health issues, and the fact that she told her sister to remind her children that she loves them got me tearing up. I do think that she was emotionally abusive and she was with him only for her career so i'm definitely not excusing what she did.
Good morning! ☀️ Thank you for your analysis. I recently came across your channel and really do enjoy your videos. Keep up the excellent work.
Oh wow, another video? I'm surprised you have time to make all of these 😱
Maybe he's having to hide out also. Aren't we all.
The world has at least slowed down if not stopped. We all have more time.
He probably makes a bunch at a time, then schedules them. Huge energy/time saver.