Eddie Bravo's Take On Wrestling in ADCC, Marcelo Garcia, Gordon Ryan & Jean Jacque Machado
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In this Interview I asked Jiujitsu legend Eddie Bravo if he thinks it's possible to win a tournament like ADCC without having good wrestling. Eddie Bravo believes it's very important to develop your wrestling for No Gi but also makes the point that the best guy in the world Gordon Ryan won ADCC by pulling guard. This was also done by Marcelo Garcia in ADCC 2003 and Jean Jaques Machado.
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Wrestling isn't real, look into it.
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Electric Chairs don't melt Chin Straps
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To win you don’t need to be the best wrestler. You have to have competent wrestling which most pure jiu jitsu people lack, hence the emphasis on them wrestling. What Gordon and Marcelo lack in pure wrestling, they make up for in an ability to sweep people from bottom position, get on top, and stay in top while prioritizing getting to the back.
It is basically, you either learn how to wrestle from the top or wrestle up from bottom. The problem is a lot of people think they will win by laying on their but. That won't win you an ADCC.
Gordon has worked extensively on wrestling last 12 months, and we’ll see it next year for sure
Stuart, I absolutely love your videos soo much. I'm soo happy you keep doing them. And my favorite by far, is youre Eddy Bravo videos. He always has the most interesting takes. I hope 10th planet wins ADCC Gold one day. Theve been at the 4 front of No-Gi, they deserve it. 10th planet wouldn't even exist without ADCC, there connected.Just gotta get better at points😅
Thanks man I appreciate it. There’s a lot more to come! A few more with Eddie too
A man seated in the darkness... defending butt scooting.. nothing to see here peeps.. except for a jiujitsu legend spitting straight fax
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Wrestling definitely a cheat code to bypassing the early belts and guard passing but for advanced game it’s not sufficient in itself
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Eddie looking like Sidious in that lighting haha
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Marcelo... all time favorite
Nice interview by Eddie, keeps it real. Damn his head is big now! JJM, MG, GR are legit ADCC legends with no wrestling. Some of the sucessful ADCC BJJ guys did wrestle though. Leo Vieira and Cobrinha come to mind.
Yeah trt does that
Everyone has strength & weaknesses in their game. All the people mentioned did not have wrestling based approach & won at high elite level. What they all do is train with high level elite grapplers of all types to make their style applicable. The masses favor in wrestling due to the work ethic / training involved. What those people mentioned do that won from a guard game is relentless train all bad positions and figure out the area of failure & found access points of openings to advance/ defense. Then drilled it over & over. They get comfortable being uncomfortable. The more amazing thing other than they won against the odds is how strong the mind set they possess. They stay calm & emotionally level. That’s a true martial artist. Adapt & overcome.
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yo yo stuart cooper is back!
Thanks brother! Keep up the good work with the podcast
Danaher said, that development of specific stand up game is what future champs will definitely be good at. It is not just pure wrestling free style or Greco, but specific to Jiu-jitsu stand up game.
Hey bro i miss seeing you on Rogan
Being from a state where you have wrestlers like Phil Davis and Ed Ruth I was the only person in my city who studied judo and jiu-jitsu and beat many wrestlers
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JJ Machado the goat
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The stats show the person who shoots loses more often
interesting, but makes logical sense i suppose. OTOH mats matter
Thumbnail is from my interview with Eddie Bravo. Look into it
😂 really?
Wrestle enough to understand wrestling. Not to be expert in it.
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Marcelo is one of the GOATs
From my preliminary analysis, the take home message is:
To win, just dont give a fuck (for one min).
Dope video
Thanks 🙏
Almost any hybrid athlete will beat a one dimensional athlete in almost any sport. Cross training almost (key word, "almost") always gives you the advantage.
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It's all wrestling! Honestly, I think the biggest detail of the early days was who was willing to train outside of the gi first. And let's also be honest, wrestlers pick up jiu jitsu wayyy faster than most. Whoever can learn jiujitsu but do it at a wrestlers or judokas pace will probably do well in the sport. And don't forget arguably the best or at least better than Garcia and JJM was Roger, and he did wrestle quite a bit.
Is that a serious comment? Your other example of the best grappler/wrestler is Roger Gracie? The guy that is infamously known for having the best closed guard game in the world? He’s a pure Jiu Jitsu guy, sorry. In fact, I’d argue that most wrestlers never actually break the curse of never learning how to fight off their back. Show me a pure wrestler like Bo Nickel that subs people from bottom in guard. Respectfully, I just disagree
@slipperywhenwat Buchecha? Arona? Galvao? Werdum? Vinny? Do I need to list everyone who could wrestle/submit from the bottom and had a medal in ADCC?? Obviously, the rules are hyper specialized, but you're a fool to deny that wrestlers don't pick up the sport way faster. Your mind would be blown by how many ADCC Champs also had judo backgrounds, but you BJJ cultists like to live in delusion.
Khabib subbed Gaethje off his back.
All guard pullers just went from 6 to 12.
The problem is trying to out wrestle a wrestler. I train with a D1 All american runner up wrestler. Impossible to touch him on the foot,but if I pull guard, I can do pretty well at keeping my guard and finding subs. Yeah , even though Adcc has some rules that benefit wrestlers, it's still possibly 40 minutes of ground fighting If someone pulls guard, the submission artist has a pretty good chance of finding a finish.
After the take down, u still have to get passed their guard. Why not start in the guard if they want to?
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Sometimes there’s absolute mavericks like GR and MG etc. They are exceptions because of their amazing ability. Comparing the rest of us mere mortals to them I think is wrong. I get that Eddie is saying you can be like them too but for the average Joe, which is most of us, you need to be competent when wrestling especially if competing.
Most likely no, because people can and will stall the first 10 minutes to go to points. 'Jiujitsu' takedowns are actually Judo and wrestling takedowns, if you want to clarify the title as 'can you win adcc only with sweeps submissions and buttscooting?' yes possibly, Kron did it years ago, grappling has evolved however and really why narrow your options if you've made it as far as ADCC?
we saw it when gordon fought bo nickal.
'Hedge Brav'
Wrestling is real, look into it.
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Nicki Rod is kinda proving you only need wrestling. He was submitting black belts with 6 month experience. He nearly beat Gordon.
Nicky is showing you need to understand spazzing and dynamic movement, not necessarily wrestling.
He also knows how to avoid getting leg locked. There are a ton of guys who can clown Nicky Rod in the standup but they can't avoid getting heel hooked by even random guys.
Marcelo Garcia didn't wrestle?!
He did later in his career. I think he started wrestling in ADCC 2005
@@stuartcooperfilms Idk man, 2005 was only his 2nd ADCC, but even still the sitting arm drag he used to take Shaolin's back is straight out of freestyle.
Yeah I get what he is saying but in reality pulling guard isn't good for self defense or mma
Id rather play an offensive jitsu then inverting for heel hooks
I get that my games the same, but this is so far beyond self defense at this point , I feel like everything you need for self defense you can get from blue belt other than that it's getting into the art of Jiu jitsu
Edgy brah
how about we light the face, instead of putting lights on the back of his head........ fire your lighting guy and get a non squeaky chair jesus
Eddie is high af
Marcelo Garcia has great takedowns what is he talking about
gordon is a VERY good wrestler compared to most BJJ blackbelts and trains it plenty, i mean he just wrestled Bo Nickel. So to say he doesnt wrestle is kinda misleading. He's just the best at bjj so he sits down when the rules allow it.
Exactly, and Gordon also has judo techniques. Even though Bo Nickel took Gordon down, Gordon was still giving Bo Nickel trouble when it came to wrestling portion of their match.
You know who else doesn't wrestle....Kron Gracie and we all saw how that played out in the octagon.
This discussion is about ADCC, son.
Pay attention and stick to the topic.
If we're gonna talk about mma,
then we might as well add striking arts
to this discussion while we're at it.
Is Eddie under witness protection or something?
You don't need this guy for ADCC though
And that's exactly why BJJ means less and less in MMA...
look into edgy brah
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Marcelo Garcia didnt wrestle?!?! wtf?!?! He was light years ahead of those guys in wrestling. Eddie's talking out his ass. Edit: ok early marcelo didnt wrestle much
MG didnt wrestle much at any point other than an arm drag / arm drag to single. Most of the time it was sweeping to get the top.
MG sat on his ass cuz striking wasn't allowed.
If striking was allowed he wouldn’t sit on his ass
Hey Eddie still think the world is flat mr science genuius? 😂😂
He , ( Ryan ) Doesn't need Wrestling , He has his Steroids
Marcelo like Kron also got his ass kicked in MMA.
Marcelo was literally winning his only MMA fight until they stopped it because of a cut 😂
Gordon isn’t real
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Gordon just wins while using 0 wrestling
This is when a wrestling style known as BJJ is more so sport than martial art.
Even folk style wrestling and freestyle as well as BJJ is more so sport than anything else
It’s not like idk boxing and backyard catch wrestling more akin for combat
But heck let these BJs pull guard in the sand or rocks or what have you on ruff terrain against 2 attackers
because ADCC rules protect people who pull guard, people will punch your face if you pull guard in MMA
This is grappling, not mma, if you wanna watch People hit in the face you can watch combat jiu jitsu or Just watch mma and stop bitchin
Less Impressed more involved BJJ channel on youtube has a good breakdown on wrestling for adcc. He dove deep in the stats to find that the ones who initiated the takedown, and were chain wrestling actually had a lower success rate. The positions were won from the counter to the wrestling the turtle, dogfight almost like 50/50 and the front head lock. Also leg locks came mostly from the bottom.
There's no doubt wrestling is important for ADCC, but you shouldn't focus on becoming takedown machine NCAA 4x champ wrestling, you should focus on winning the positions that are 50/50 off the takedowns.
Great comment
The sound of Eddie’s chair squeaking as he moves and the dark lighting makes it seem like they brought the cameras into his prison cell to do the interview lmao
I haven’t trained in years……I can still watch Eddy talk for hours
Eddie is so funny. I love it when he goes on JRE
authenticity is captivating
I can listen to him talk about bjj for hours. Other topics it can be difficult.
Look into it
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Gordan and marcelo wrestles!! They adapt wrestling to thier game.
“Wrestling… you gotta look into it man.” - Mr. Bravo
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Imt smot interesting at all, its actually Common sence. Wrestling doesn't won fights. Pins are meaningless in fighting, ehat does with fights its submissions. End of story.
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After all, guard pullers are the alphas in this game.
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Real talk
Hulk Hogan yelling and front kicks his 85 inch TV of the Wall Mount 😂
sure people will call gordon the GOAT but no one better than marcelo imo
I really hate how jujitsu is becoming wrestling with a little bit of jujitsu in it 👎
Rousimar Palhares bronze and David Avellan Bronze show u can place high with strong base and explosive guard and unpredictable wrestling, not necessarily world class wrestling. Would love to see Jordan Burroughs compete in adcc
That would be fun if you gave him 2-3 years of jiujitsu training before. No one would take him down but he’d have to learn how to avoid the leg entanglements
Eddie rocks, my favorite celebrity
Eddie is the man!
The earths flat, the floors flat so lay on your back flat
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Most people need to wrestle, unless you come from a privilege academy or family. I passed Marcello guard once.
tldr- learn to wrestle.... the idea that gordan doesn't wrestle.... cmon man.... he does, he just has infinite set ups he knows people will go for and he is 2 steps ahead....
he reminds me of magnus carlsen. he doesn't win on pure technique or ability. he wins by being steps ahead and setting up traps. same thing crawford does. same thing Mayweather used to do. set up a trap from downloading what your opponent will do
I'm listening while my Ambien kicks in. The only thing I think I'll remember in the morning is that Eddie Bravo was talking like a Valley Girl.
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If wrestling is real then how come the Earth is flat ???!!111
It’s a conspiracy theory bro. Bet
Interesting, isn’t it.
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Why is he sitting in the dark
That’s his back room that he goes into after class to play some music with his students. It was really dark in there but a cool set up
Hulk Hogan would f him up
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You dont need Wrestling for win adcc just stetoids
- Gordon Ryan