the weird world of pronatalist families
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I somehow became friends with the director of a sperm bank/fertility clinic in a far southwestern exurb of Chicago. She told me that, every time, the same thing happens: couples wanting to have a child come in, ask loads of questions about each sperm donor, ask about their heritage, their history of illnesses, their highest degree attained, their profession, their accomplishments, their yearly income … and then the would-be parents ignore all of that, and choose whichever sperm donor is the tallest.
wtf
Good to know we're moving toward the alien ideals of Invader Zim
@@andiralosh2173
This is the most underrated comment.
That's quite funny, since compared to all those other things height is probably the most reliable one for predicting "success".
For better or worse, tall (but not giant) people have plenty of advantages in our current society, and it's probably one of the few things that can be reliably inherited.
What we've heard from people who have systematically researched sperm donor selection is actually that people select sperm donors who are kind, happy, and funny. People also really want kids that look like them.
"I have no idea why child protective services keep coming round"
Smacks child around the face, mimicking tiger discipline, to make him quiet.
"No idea at all."
I'm sure they'll encourage their kids to get into farming, as well. Considering they're so concerned about the elderly starving due to a collapsing population.
Pronatalism definitely "smells off," and it seems like anytime you scratch a pronatalist, there's a eugenicist underneath.
Also, there's a lot of cross over with long-termism beliefs. They're very concerned with humanity's fate 10,000 years from now, but not so much about the fate of anyone next week. Especially if you don't have the "complexion with the connection."
There's a number of good articles about this stuff, and @SomeMoreNews also did a pretty good episode about the Collins*, pronatalism, and gross rich people in general recently.
Solidarité 🇵🇸✊
*Edit: The episode is called, _Are Rich People Okay?_ It's not only about the Collins, but they're the focus of the section about pronatalism.
somemorejews and antinatalism is literally jewish propaganda lmao 💀
What ep was this? I don't recall the Collins coming up from SomeMoreNews
@@unreadlibrarian I think it was
_Are rich people okay?_
*Edit: Yep, that's the one. In the pronatalist section, around 40 or 50 minutes in.
*Edit #2 full disclosure, when I said SMN did an "episode about the Collins" that was a bit of a stretch, more accurately the Collins were the topic of part of an episode. I'll edit original comment.
I'm a eugenist. I want to breed healthy babies
@@bertbaker7067 "I don't believe in eugenics unless they're selecting for traits I think are good"
Usain Bolt is one of the best examples of nominative determinism 😂
Everyone ignores the fact that A. You can’t have infinite growth within biology so it would have to drop at some point anyway, and B. A lower population would be insanely beneficial to nature/ avoiding a climate disaster.
@@blue..ridding..h00d then lower the fertility in Africa. Before that, I'll have a dozen children
What weird about the natalist technobros is that they simultaneously believe that AI and robots would make worker obsolete, sinking labour demand, but at the same time worries that there won't be enough people to work the job of the future.
Very true, Elon trying to make self driving cars to make taxi drivers and bus drivers obsolete meanwhile wrangling with the idea of a declining population is truly one of the ideas of all time.
@@rentisme I mean I guess we need a Plan B in case the whole automation doesn't work (specially given how self-driven cars were going to be the norm by 2017)
He also doesn’t particularly care about people’s current quality of life.
@@davidp.7620plan B been the solution. See what I did there
There are different elements to the position from what I understand...
One is the numbers game of having enough smart innovative people. The more people in a population, the larger number of geniuses are born. If you want to solve the high hanging fruit, you need people who are just operating on another level cognitively.
The study of demographics shows that a pyramid or chimney demographic spread of different generations allows for a more robust and stable society. There are younger people to help older generations, lots of people to work to make stuff happen, there is stability, and thus innovation.
As for automation, the idea is to get the population as a whole more productive and efficient. It used to be that 90% of the population worked on farms to survive, now it is like 5%. The more people can work in highly specialized jobs and services again increases innovation. Say, instead of having millions of people driving vehicles, instead they are devoting their time to coating every last building in solar panelling so that energy costs and infrastructure becomes nearly free.
The whole point is to get to a post-scarcity society which means a huge amount of innovation and shifting the workforce to more productive work.
The IQ aspect is one of their key motivations, imo. Many of these tech bros are hardcore rationalists who believe that logical (deductive) reasoning ability is the highest measure of human worth. So, the fantasy of creating a high-IQ master race likely appeals to them greatly even if they're not explicitly stating it.
Naming your kid Titan Invictus will more likely end up with him getting made fun of, honestly
Or they will become a transformer
I'm concerned he will want to oppose his parents, which children often do as they individuate, and becomes a homeless addict. It is normal and even necessary to cut loose from your parents, but getting rid of a whole ideology easily requires extreme methods.
He will become an invincible titan
Yeah they could have named him Titus and tell him it’s " short for Titan Invictus", and boom! Normal, cool name
@@dieucondorimperial2509 Normal? Where? This is a legitimate question.
The names they gave their kids tells me everything I need to know about these people.
for real, imagine being called "industry"....literally your parents stating every day they only care about the work you can produce for them no love at all.
Just said it all!
I hope they change their names as adults and choose Anna, John, Peter...
@@Liisa3139 Changing your name is so expensive and the procedure is really outdated. We need to provide one free easy namechange to everyone at age 18+. It's crazy that one bad decision by your parents can loom over your head your entire life and the only way out is paying tons of cash and going through a legal battle. A name is central to everything you do in life, and so many kids get names embarrassing things and hate their name all their life.
And your reaction to those names tells us everything we need to know about you. ;)
Very much the mindset of an animal farmer, they care about their animals but only as long as it's profitable, they'll do things to make their lives "better" because it will lend to a more profitable end product.
Doing good for your children isn't animalistic
@@konyvnyelv.They are not doing good for their children though, they are just their eug3nics project.
Love is a human concept, plenty of mothers in nature do worse.
Just a little note, birth rate is declining all over the world. I live in South America and there are many countries over here facing that problem too, the global south is diverse.
Thank you SO MUCH for pointing this out.
I had a dentist named Crentist. That’s probably why he became a dentist.
Reminds me of the 1997 film Gattaca (Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman). Being able to select “ideal” embryos leading to an increased sense of superiority for people who can afford to have children that way versus people who can’t.
Selecting embryos is seriously not bad
Already been happening in the IVF industry for over 30 years
*having tons of kids to save dead-ass competition on labour market
😂
*importing infinity illegal aliens to keep salaries cheap ahh 💀
News flash, if people don't have kids, you will never retire and will be a corporate drone your entire life. You need new people to have a retirement.
@@Just_some_guy_1 yeah, it's just our destiny to cut this line of existential suffering.
By letting old people die? @@maksimfedoryak
“A trap is only a trap if you don't know about it. If you know about it, it's a challenge.”
― China Miéville, King Rat
This mindset is why seemingly highly intelligent people buy crypto
4:29 Actually birth rate are also going down in the global south just at a slower pace.
Slower rate also depends on the country considered. For instance, Bangladesh had a TFR of 6.88 children per woman in 1970 to 1.98 in 2021. That's a huge drop in only 50 years!
Actually it is the opposite. Fertility decline in the Global South is occurring at speeds never observed in the North during its period of transition.
@@serebii666 I was focusing in Africa but what you're saying is definitely true for Asia
@@feliz2892 The same applies for Africa. In North Africa for instance the fertility has halved in 37 years going from 6 to 3 children. Africa overall has seen a 40% drop in fertility between 1980 and 2024 - 6.6 to 4.1.
@@serebii666 What you're saying about North Africa is untrue. It went from 4.5 to 2.5. Most of the drop in Africa can be attribuate to arab countries.
The title heroine mother in the soviet union was just that, a title.
No extra help was granted.
I don't know I had an art teacher named Mrs. Painter and she was genuinely the coolest
Well, if she married into the surname then I guess that doesn't count🙁
My last name is the name of a famous fictional character, and I have absolutely nothing in common with him. I actually find him shallow and somewhat cringy. I wouldn't want to work his job either (too dangerous and high-stakes).
I think all these pro-natalists and pro-natalist families seem to be quite weird and all that, but if any birth rate decline in developed countries ever exists, I would say that the true cause is actually from the many side effects of capitalism itself. Capitalism promotes the relentless pursuit of profit and hyperindividualistic attitudes at the expense of actually contributing to the greater society at large. There are many factors at play here, including economic pressures, long working hours, and financial inequality which are often roots behind family conflict and instability, and also discourage people from having their own families. Most other “reasons” or “causes” are scapegoats promoted by the ruling class in order to divide the people and promote agendas and ideologies that lead to oppression of women, LGBTQ+, and ethnic, racial, or religious minorities.
Dude, not everything is a conspiracy by straight white christian guys to oppress every non-straight white christian guy. Stop repeating this slop on every video. There is a reason the largest and most powerful multinational corporations in the history of humanity are atheistic, pro LGBT, pro immigration, and pro every king of racial celebration month (except white). And unless you think the nordic countries are not generous when it comes to welfare and working conditions, their low birth rates have nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with culture. Culture is the only reason why religious groups have higher birth rates over irreligious/less religious groups despite living in the same economic conditions.
The decline exist and is multifactoriel.
people centuries ago and today are dirt poor and having 4+ kids, life finds a way regardless of financial status so muh capitalism is as much a scapegoat as any other reason 💀
Absolutely, and capitalism leads to the loss of community that used to sustain extended families in villages and agrarian spaces. The marketplace dynamics that capitalism creates are not conducive to family creation. In traditionally high fertile societies like in the Middle East, these marketplace effects haven’t taken root fully, and that’s why they’re still very family-oriented compared to Western Europe.
Oppresion of minorities existed long before capitalism.
This is all very disturbing. Cheyenne Lin has a deep dive into this, exposing the racist overtones of what they're doing.
but wanting a minority population to go extinct isnt racist? 💀
Gotta say, it drives us pretty nuts how often people want to call us racist when it is so obvious that if we were racist, we would NOT be public advocates for pronatalism. Which groups are MOST at risk at being wiped out due to low birth rates? White people, you say? WRONG. Try: South Koreans, Emiratis, Jains, Native Americans, etc. If people refuse to get real about the risks of demographic collapse, we're headed to a cultural mass extinction and at risk of a huge drop in diversity.
I'm confused why pronatalists are opposed to immigration. Given that our planet's population is currently still increasing, doesn't it make more sense to move people around to where they are needed, rather than making more of them overall?
Right? It's such a mystery why pronatalists are opposed to immigration. I mean, it's not like immigrants have stabbed and r@p3d children before.
Your surname doesn't influence your decision to become a dentist. The amount of hair on your knuckles influences your decision to become a dentist.
I remember I took a Biology class in college and the professor explained (not necessarily his opinion) that the reason a larger global population was desirable is because there is a greater chance of someone like an Albert Einstein being born. But I thought, there’s many of people that are that intelligent alive today and they are ignored, so what is the point
I really appreciate that this video isn't "artificially stretched" to the 20minute-mark that seems to be the average lately, but just lasts as long as there are interesting things to say
You don’t have to scratch too far beneath the surface before people who’re very concerned about “the birthrate” start getting really fashy.
after you said the names of the children, i kept expecting you to say you were joking for a full minute
I don't think we need to worry about Malcolm/Simone. They're pretty odd people and I don't think it'll catch on. Their faux frugality is really just a way to hide their privilege - not turning the heating on, wearing old clothes, eating slightly sour humus etc are largely performative acts, or ways to make them feel like they have earned their wealthy by being prudent in day to day rituals.
In the UK we have old money do this too, they wear old jumpers and drive 20-year-old Volvo estates, whilst living in £2 million 5-bed mansions and pay £30k/year/child to go to elite private schools. In a way it's a sign that the wealthy are starting to feel the need to justify inequality by acting like they're living a sustainable life, it's not the worst thing to see.
Malcolm/Simone are right wing libertarians, night watchmen state ideologues, so the image they're being targeted by the state is very much in their favour. I would doubt the validity of this story though, I'm pretty sure someone in their very wealthy neighbourhood did call social services, because they're also odd people, but that's about it.
JD Vance has taken the idea of taxing childless people more, and it's had awful results. So we can be grateful for that too. They're all so online that they have no idea how ridiculous they sound, it's glorious.
SJ Shaw and Paul Morland are the two right coded public speakers that are working on the formula for the right. If progressives let them establish narratives, and we simply react to their talking points, then I think we could get into trouble. Aaron Bastani is not the right guy for the job btw - I'm dreading reading his up-and-coming book.
*edits typos and structure
On the JD Vance thing, we already have child tax credits, which is pretty much the same outcome. He should come up with some less abrasive ways to get his point across.
What's the issue with Bastani?
@@testest12344 We'll see, because it's not out yet, but it'll be on demographics.
His book on fully automated luxury communism is the sort of book you publish to get attention as an unknown writer, rather than seriously trying to work out what the future holds. So I can forgive it for being pretty terrible. The worry is that he'll try to do the same again, despite being more established.
Fortunately, most people on the left ignore his theory, because he can be funny. However, he'll go on GB news and authoritatively proclaim his hot takes, and that'll be cringe inducing.
@@jgfitzpatrick Yeah, I saw that commentary, but I think it's very revealing that they're running with these ideas. It's foreboding.
@@jgfitzpatrickgood point
8:00 sometimes when parents give weird names to children, they are flexing to say they can afford the kind of private school where they won't be mercilessly teased for it.
i just feel so so sorry for these poor kids :(
This whole thing makes wanna jump out of this earth early... This is just dehumanising
People obsessed with big picture things like "preserving humanity" or "saving the west" usually end up making live miserable for the actual humans living around them. It's crazy to me that so many of things I grew up with in fundamentalist Christian circles seem to be migrating left. Thanks, Alice! Interesting discussion!
Interesting, what things have you noticed migrating left? I'm genuinely curious haha (I grew up fundamentalist Christian as well, now far away from that)
I kind of see what you mean but i don't think those kind of people are really leftists... Like at all... They just kind of take the aesthetic and social capital from it to their benefit. Pressuring anyone to be "successful" doesn't seem to be a leftist thing at all to me...
@@shironerisilkI guess the reason is being born as fodder for systems of power beyond our control causes us to rationally resent the manipulation.
@@shironerisilkI guess being born to fill the needs of a power structure beyond your control gives a certain resentment to the whole thing.
Oh Christianity imagine the Horror lol
5:38 Strong hint of eugenics, if you ask me
I'm strongly in favour of eugenics
as a lesbian whenever I hear or read something pronatalist I start hearing the Kill Bill sirens in my head.
Ofc you will btw that's weird too
Now we anti-natalists need to have our own foundation just to counter act these weirdos 😂
The worst is they observe me to and try to force me with police and psychiatry to. I'm in a loss of ten years of my Life because my parents try to force me to be a parent and Stop everything i want. I hatte them therefore. They hurt me through several Men, who punished me, stopped me from being a really Enthusiast swimmer, academic and DJ. Now im living in a House of a Ensemble of Houses where they try to force me to get pregnant, with the Argument that i will get the Keys then for all of this. But why the hell all of this destruction?! I want my Life Back. I want to Work against such konservative observant pressures. As i did before they Cut my Life in two pieces and i still suffer Form all of this harm.
Actually Alice you overlooked one key part of the falling birthrate phenomena, and it actually has an impact through that utilitarian lens, not that that’s the one I necessarily use.
The key defining feature in declining fertility rates is parent having fewer children rather than having none at all, which remains rarer than one may expect, and not all too different to the historical norm. And that matters for a utilitarian calculation for the parent becuase Child#2 is not just serving a role in sustaining an abstract society, each child you have compounds on all the other children, by being another node in their network of life/support. Child#2 makes child1s life more socially sustainable, and child2 also has a marginally better utilitarian product becuase it has the benefits of a sibling inherently. Then it multiplies through all 3 children for child3 etc.
I feel often people sort of implicitly imply that more people are choosing not to have children, and that not having children is common. It isn’t, the decline in fertility/birthdates is driven by so many more people cutting back to 1. Far more than the marginal increase in childlessness.
I have 8 kids. We didn't plan 8 kids we just had two sets of kids during our marriage. Raising kids over the last 30 years has been extremely hard. We didn't have wealth so we had to get creative with the first 6. The last two were easier to raise because our income was higher. We just want our kids to be happy adults. We got this, yes our kids have had challenges, but overall I am extremely proud of all of them and would not change having them.
1:56 I'm afraid if they started that late, their plans may be in trouble.
It depends more on the age of the wife than of the husband. Not _just_ a matter of climacterium, but also hip bones.
My mother in gynaecology class learned, 13 and 30 are both bad for a first child. At 13, the hips are too small. At 30, too stiff. But 13 is actually safer.
This may no longer be _statistically_ true, due to hospital resources spent on making first childbirths at 30 safer, but it is the natural bent of the female body.
In case you wonder, the safest for a first child is 17 to 25.
6:48 The irony is Mr. Collins had if any nominative determinism involved, the idea of being "servant of St. Columba" who was an Irish monk.
I wouldn't call monks anti-natalists, since they encourage laypeople who are married to have children, but it's a very different kind of pro-natalism, with IVF totally out of the question.
This is very interesting and informative. Instead of trying to save humanity, our focus should be to make life better for human beings today. In fact, not only human beings, but the environment and wildlife as well.
The planet will always find the right equilibrium for itself. It doesn't need human beings with their moral crusades.
We need children to keep our culture alive
I'm sure the people making this argument could shorten it a lot, maybe to some fourteen words, it would make their point clearer
ignorance is bliss 💀
Long live white children
@@konyvnyelv.They won't if you keep doing this fascism shit
All those pro-natalists seem to not notice what the plummeting birth rates are due to life quality going down in those countries. A lot of people would happily form families if they had job security, housing and good work life balance.
That isn't true when you consider the countries with highest fertility rates are also the poorest.
The reality is that once a country passes a certain level of development, birth rates begin to fall and only rise meaningfully due to strong cultural traditions that can give people hope and the belief that they have a duty to have children.
@@firestone2178 If i remember correctly for example in Sweden, the top 10% of income do actually have about 2 children per woman (close to replacement) while the rest do not. So it clearly affects birth rates.
@@firestone2178 Common themes in poor countries with highest fertility; (i) lack of education on sex and lack of contraceptives, (ii) children join workforce very young and support their families, (iii) families' life standard is already so low that having extra 4 children does not make any meaningful change, because as I explained in (ii) they will start working and supporting their families.
On the other hand, especially in the global north, even having only 1 child diminishes your life quality so greatly that people have to plan for it. There is also the case that not many people are fans of seeing them children working in blue collar jobs, therefore they even wait until they are 22-24 before the children join the workforce and have to support then if it is needed.
Just wanted to give some more examples on why it is not directly linked to the income, but the overall development of the country. For me, it is safe to say that when you are not able to obtain as much wealth as your parents did, you will not be having children.
@@firestone2178Well, consider that most of these countries are agrarian. If you work at a farm, your children can contribute without any education, and the more children you have the easier it gets running said farm.
The moment you go to the city, now you have to provide them an education, take them to places by car, take them to doctor appointments and all of that out of your pocket
There is effectively zero evidence that quality of life and birth rate have any correlation. European countries with expansive social spending and robust social safety nets have extremely low fertility rates. It really seems to be just a pattern that once a country develops, people stop having kids.
Why is this unlisted now?
The title heroine mother in the soviet union was just that, a title.
No extra help was granted.
And on the topic of gene selection, with the current technology we can do it for single gene diseases or chromosomal anomalies. The selection for positive traits, such as high IQ is not very well studied and probably can not be achieved, since there are multiple genes at play and in case of IQ nurture has a lot of influence.
The problem here is not utilitarianism, but false beliefs. Maximizing for the best possible outcome is pretty much the best we can do. The problems lie in who determines what is best (everybody has axioms, but there is not right axiom) and that humans tend to not see all/enough consequences and not see all the information needed (some information is not accessible, like qualia). We can try to reduce such errors, by introducing for example rule utilitarianism. Only do what produces the best outcome, if that action was a rule of society. We can also combine both. But in the end utilitarianism (and its variants) is pretty much the best ethical system we have, because humans strive towards outcomes, so we should also judge actions based on outcomes.
Really great video. Thanks Alice! The other side of this coin (Antinatalists) are generally also driven by the same logic. Weird.
10:29 Saving sick people is not a greater cause than allowing people who aren't sick to have a fairly normal life.
Whether it means living without a mask or living without the threat of an organ transplant _from_ them.
Speaking of which, Chinese Communist Party is targetting Falun Gong, probably 1 million transplants with unwilling donors since 2000.
If one applies "negative utilitarianism" (focus on minimizing suffering), they may lead to a complete opposite of pronatalism which is antinatalism.
Wow, yes we need this
This dynamic of the Collinses's family reminds of the behaviorism theory in psychology, especially the Methodological behaviorism by Watson. He has a popular quote: "Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select"
Eugenics was also rather famously used against disabled people. Which is exactly what these pronatalists are doing.
I think utilitarianism works best when combined with the anarchist principle "means cannot be disentangled from ends", which leads you to not miss the small picture stuff in your attempt to save the world
This reminds me of 1997 science fiction film Gattaca.
Same especially the genomic programming
My family is huge. Evangelical. I found this video chilling
4:30 What are you talking about? Birthrates are going down in the Global South too. In fact, fertility decline in the Global South is occurring at speeds never observed in the North during its period of transition. It just isn't largely below replacement yet.
This is unrelated to the topic but as a german naming your kid „Torsten Savage“ is incredibly funny. The name Torsten in germany is connotated to a man in his 50s working in like accounting or as a teacher. Quite far from being savage
This is what happens when you don't play Metal Gear Solid at a formative age.
La li lu le lo
This is almost literally the plot of the movie Gattaca
I was chatting to my uber driver the other day and he asked me how many siblings I had. I said it was just me and he was shocked. "Not even brothers?" He then told me that he had SEVENTEEN siblings. I can't imagine having 1 kid but having eighteen just seems so exhausting. But I'd wager his parents paid him more attention and cafe than someone like Elon Musk who appears to father children that end up despising him
There are plenty of countries with growing populations. What’s the problem?
Where will the technocracy get the menial quasi-slave labor for the future that they've been dreaming about?
I’m quite convinced that’s why Musk pushes this. He wants a slave colony for his Mars outpost.
The 3rd world hence replacement immigration.
Agreed, the top of hyerarchy is for their offspring, the important jobs will be automatized or runned by AI, and the shitty low income jobs will be mantained just to keep consumption alive.
@@rogeliofloresortega9055 And widespread debt, which gives their wealth its value.
Comment for the comment gods.
Thank you broadening my horizons once more 💕
I am not a pronatalist or antinatalist. I say I am "non natalist". Have kids if you want ,but you better know how complex life and the world is. Me, I dont want to spread my mental illness/ mental health conditions to another being. The world is not exactly a utopia either. Quite the opposite. Too many severe problems are hitting society all at once and creativity/intuition are waning in the world. The thing that is worrying me the most is Global warming. I cant go outside from 7:00am - 7:00pm from late spring to early fall now. I almost faint. Cc is totally real. The woke liberal scientists were right. LOl
Climate scientists:
We will have billions of climate refugees.
Pronatalists:
Let’s make more.
Populations are booming in retarded poor countries with unsustainable economies and dysfunctional government that are bound to implode (the climate refugees you fear).
The collapse of high-IQ populations in the west and East Asia compounds this problem.
I'll not stop having kids unless you bring the fertility of Africa to the western pace. Until that I'll do as many kids as possible
We need to have children of our own, not substituting them with migrants
People shopping for genetics is super scary. Wouldn't be the first time humanity carved it's soul into pieces in the name of progress. We are already dead
Our lives are so short and our future so uncertain. Get what you want out of life as if it was already over. 💙
actually minorities go extinct if they breed with other races, bet youd love that mr supremacist 💀
Notice they only have boys?
What’s wrong with wanting a baby to be born healthy and safe from genetic deficiencies and abnormalities? If they are going to suffer discrimination either way, they better be suited with the best possible genes.
@@PossibleBat To me, it feels analogous to eugenics. I would ask you think about what's wrong with eugenics.
6:37 The name thing does indeed have a good amount of support behind it, especially in more diverse countries like the USA.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but "utilitarianism" doesn't feel like the right label. Those philosophers were civic-minded and evoked strong traditional institutions with legal frameworks. The pro-natalist couple featured in the video are participating in a "pioneer" lifestyle that feels more rooted in manifest destiny and westward expansion. It's an even stronger association knowing that they come from the American tech industry. They're out there living on the imagined Martian prairie.
Actually Malcom is religious but not in the way you think and they see themselves as member of the "new right".
8:10 Actually names do have one major impact: instantly informing people of your socioeconomic background. In France, someone with a composed name like Charles-Henri or with the radical "theo" like Théophile are almost always attributed in wealthier families, while names like Kevin are more lower-class, leading to a lot of stereotypes around certain names. And of course, if you have a foreign sounding name, like Mohammed, people will discriminate even harder and instantly know you have foreign origin just from looking at your name.
I love your videos ideas
Always so refreshing and needed
The discussions under the recent poll you had on thr topic were quite insightful and surprising in parts.
11:55 I would definitely not consider abortion or contraception as rights or as happiness.
It may make someone happy at the moment. It's a recipe for a lonely old age.
There are other pronatalisms than the Collins' couple's. I highly prefer Mr. Vance. US Senator and candidate for Vice President.
Better example of nominative determinism from Pushing Daisies: "If you think Dwayne Cloggin ain't gonna be a plumber then you just think again." 😆
Dr. Crendist, the Dentist
~ Dwight Shrute
.being Antinatalism nowadays is the best choice
thanks Alice
1:32 this picture was unexplainably disturbing to me
I guess they do look like clones. But, babies kinda look samey for a little while.
youre just racist vro 💀
Because it's a big white straight family and you subconsciously associate it with N@zism due to anti European propaganda. You wouldn't have a problem if they were a big Jewish, Muslim or Black family
0:14 The quote happens to be pretty spot on.
Macron's pensions' reform is a foretaste.
Ahahha the Dr. Tooth made me giggle while watching this on the metro
The plot of the book you mentioned is very similar to another one i liked: The Declaration. It's a actually a series with two more books.
But it's basically a dystopian with the same theme of extending human life, except in that worl they do it by finding the formula to eternal life. This is by creating a pill that basically stops the body from aging and contracting diseases. However, to stop unsustainable population growth (because that world was already experiencing the consequences global warming and stuff), in ordee to take anti-aging, eternal-life granting pills you need to sign a "Declaration" stating that you give up your rights to have children.
And for those that to still have them, when found the parents go to prison, and the children are taken to basically concentration camp where they're indoctrinated to believe they're existence is wrong and that they have to work to compensate the work for their sin. The old people are called Legals, and the children are called "Surplus" - both as a whole and individually as a prefix to their names. Not the best written book, but very interesting theme.
Hold on, if they were truly dedicated to rising the birth rate, wouldn't they choose four female embryos instead of four male?
12:17 If you want a saner pronatalism, as in religious conservatism, I recommend you take a look at the Cukierski family.
Hope you aren't _so_ busy taking prompts from patreon you can't take one from an ordinary subscribed and non-paying interested viewer.
6:48 there are times I believe in this. I feel like you can’t apply it to every name, but sometimes it’s just strange how well someone’s name fits with their profession for it not to be true. Like this Swedish swimmer named Sarah Sjöström (sjöström literally means sea current) who have won two Olympic gold medals.
Yeah I stopped watching when you got to Never Let Me Go cuz I like Kazuo Ishiguro's books, haven't read that one, and I don't want spoilers
i feel a little saddened by so many people getting tripped up by this old idea of utilitarianism.
utilitarianism, to me at least, is about maximising core values i hold rather than just happiness.
truth, freedom, democracy, equality are values i hold over happiness, and they will be maximised over it, and when not conflicting with my values, happiness will be maximised.
utilitarianism isnt this strict adherence to the hapiness of the larger good, but a mode of analysis to maximise a set of values that one deems to be good, and if you hold certain values like freedom and truth and the human experience, a lot of the problems with utilitarianism goes away.
the critiques of utilitarianism she is making is actually just a critique of bad values rather than bad moral system. the system is working as it is meant to, you give it the wrong values to maximise and so it will.
I just had to say this... I had university professor who had a surname "Fisher", I did biology, can you guess what was he specialized into? Yeah, you guessed it right 😅
Marine biology?
@@keanuxu5435 marine coastal fish, but yeah Marine biology
My favorite video from you this year!
you keep saying they're not conservative but they are far-right economic conservatives (libertarian except for government support of natalism) and basically eugenicists when it comes to racial conservatism. when it comes to religion, they are fine with supporting christian nationalists so long as it doesn't affect them on their gated compound.
I'm old enough to remember when they were calling themselves Quiverfull.
I wonder how many more kids she thinks she's going to have if she's 36 now...
She could have many more. The incels have skewed you people's expectations of women's fertility to an amusing degree
Birth rates are declining in the Global South too. For example India has sub replacement birth rates and most of Latin america
I should have seen the cringe baby names coming but NOPE. my face hurts now lol
Am I the only one who thought of Dwight Schrute’s dentist named Crentist?
2:45 The most Divorced Dad/Midlife Crisis Boomer Uncle take ever.
When the brainwashing did it's job ^
typical Elon high on keta
"I care more about having workers and taxpayers to fund my retirement than whether the sky is on fire at that point (because I expect to be able to afford a fancy bunker or escape to space somehow)"
This has literally nothing to do with utilitarianism. Maybe they just like kids and family?
Maybe try listening to them. They have a youtube channel and a podcast....
Why did you hide this video then make it unlisted?
i don't know, i wanted to keep it for the patrons, then though about releasing it and then decided to keep it unlisted in the end :) i like to be selective about what I put out and I felt like this one didn't exactly reflect the standard I like to set for myself
Good old it's easier to picture the end of the world than the end of capitalism
Adjust camera settings then lock them. Auto mode for focus or aperture not necessary.
Pour trouver des meilleurs exemples de pseudo déterminisme nominatif il me semble que c'est Baptiste Beaulieu qui a fait de la sociologie des prénoms. Il parle pas tellement de ce que les gens deviendraient ou pas selon leurs prénoms, mais de tout ce que les parents placent comme projections sur leurs gosses et ce qu'iels sont censé.es devenir en choisissant leur prénom.
Also children's names sound, like their father is Immortan Joe
I recommend "The Controversial Future of Genetic Testing" by Vice. They show one family using it for what makes more sense--they have a lethal genetic combination that led to previous miscarries. They decide to screen for type 1 diabetes as well because the father doesn't want his future child to suffer as he has if they can prevent it. And then they show the Collins, who are even MORE disturbing in video. Not just that they rated embryos best to worst and are having them in that order (lovely for the children to know), but the husband trying to take the rifle and ammo off the wall and out of camera sight without anyone noticing. They might say CPS is being called because of hand-me downs, but I'm guessing completely unsecured guns in a house with three children is a more likely cause... I also feel horrible for any of their kids who end up with disabilities, because they will know their parents think they are a waste that science must be updated to avoid in future. They are 1000% eugenicists, they just don't like to be called it.