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I had a shuttering problem between 3&4 gear shifting at 40 mph. I did a trans drain & fill, drove 10miles, did another drain & fill and the trans oil filter change (25430-PLR-003 filter, $20 at dealer). This was 3 years ago at 100,000 miles on an 09’ CRV. Today the car has 120,000 miles and the trans shifts perfectly. Problem resolved. Jim PS......car was bought new, trans oil was changed every 30,000 miles.
@@VS31636 I now have 134,000 miles and everything is ok. But I keep away from that 38-44 mph range with the cruise control (no cruise at that range), it’s touchy at that range. So far so good, try it!
@@VS31636Depends on a lot of factors. Was it pre-owned, and how many miles is it currently at? What did the prior transmission servicing look like? Does the trans fluid look pink/red and smell like ATF, or is it brown/black and smell burnt? Is the level of ATF at the right amount? How does the transmission shift on cold starts versus once it gets up to operating temps? I highly suggest you do a 3x3 drain and fill; NO MACHINE FLUSHES! Buy the in-line trans filter and do the trans filter in the trans pan as well. Shouldn’t be too hard for the trans pan filter, but the in-line trans filter doesn’t have many tutorials but is kinda self explanatory once you find the location on the car. I suggest changing the fluid once or twice and driving it around, and then on the last fluid change, replace the trans filters. This way, most of the new fluid won’t contaminate the freshly replaced filters.
@isnowyazn thanks. I did a drain and fill today. The old fluid was dark and it did have a funky smell. I saw on YT there's a way to put a wire in two sections of the OBD reader so can decipher what the blinking D means. I may do that tomorrow if it blinks again as I'm driving. Will probably get the filter too and change that if I do another drain or two. Thanks again.
From my experience, it's a good idea to change these filters from time to time. My friend just bought a 2014 Odyssey with about 100K miles and when we changed the fluid and filter, the old filter was so clogged that I couldn't even blow through it and the inside of the old filter was nasty. These filters do have a bypass valve so they can't completely stop the flow if they clog, but if the filter is clogged and bypassing constantly, it's not filtering anything, it's just creating a restriction.
@@9ZERO6 He very well could. The torque converter clutch was shuddering when he first got the van, which is a known issue on those with a TSB. A few drain and fills and a new filter seems to have solved that for the last several thousand miles, but time will tell how much longer it will last.
@@jerrymccurry9372 Look up where your filter is located, remove the old one, install a new one, and re check the fluid level and for leaks after running it for a few minutes. There's 2 hoses going to it and a 10MM bolt holding it to the bracket. It's not hard on any of the Hondas I've seen.
Thank god I found this. Today I tried to change mine but got stuck at the big air filter since I couldn't take it out. I was about to decide not to do it and just change the fluid instead. Now I know why the shops don't sell these cause I had to order mine online. Thanks for saving me all the trouble. Love you!
I have been looking for this information, even my local dealer stated there is no filter to change, just the fluid... Just did the fill and drive routine on our 2012 Accord, 9 quarts of Honda fluid. Car runs fine. Thank you for the video!
@@mr.mr400 That is what I used to clear out the old fluid, drain a few old quarts out, pour a few new quarts in, drive and then drain, repeat until you get fresh fluid coming out. It works.
@@jerrymccurry9372 The idea is to clear the old fluid out of the torque convertor. Once that is evacuated, then you go back to a normal service routine, which is a simple draining of a few quarts and refilling with same. I believe every 30,000 miles is the recommended service interval.
306k miles on my 06 CRV - Never knew there was a strainer that could be changed :) I agree, regular dump and fill. I do mine every 20k miles.. thanks for sharing!
But Honda loves to see you in their dealership.... If it's a filter you change the oil and filter .. you change the transmission and that has a filter it must do something common sense would tell anyone that ... Specially if it's outside an takes only a few minutes. Maybe Honda should change that so there would be as many transmission issues.
I was looking into this for my 1st gen Honda Insight on the Insight forum. One Insight owner went to the dealership and asked about it and they first said it has no filter. The guy shows them the part numbers for the strainer and filter, and the dealership guy says that those filters are LIFETIME filters and don't need to be changed. So the Insight owner asks what the definition of LIFETIME is in this situation. They told him that LIFETIME was 105,000 miles... This is an anecdote from the internet, so take it for what it's worth. If it's true, than that filter should be changed if your vehicle goes over 105k 😑
I had an 06 Acura TL & I changed out the transmission filter thank god cause the old one was dark crusty & black look like it was about to fall apart so I would say change them if your able to.
@@yanuelgonzalez4356 A flashing D light does NOT mean the filter is clogged, it just means there's a transmission trouble code stored. I doubt a clogged filter would cause that since there's a built in bypass valve, but even if it did cause a trouble code and flashing D light, a lot of other things can too.
I have both done drain and fills and complete in-line filter changes with new hoses and clamps on my 2012 Civic that now has 135,000 miles. The transmission ALWAYS shifts better if I change out the filter and don't just do a drain and fill.
Hi Big Dog, Great videos. I have owned Honda cars and Honda motorcycles for 50 years, great products! I do most of my own work on them and your videos are a big help. Looking at my 2005 manual for my Accord 2.4 the maintenance schedule for normal conditions it states replace transmission fluid at 120,000 miles! Even under severe conditions change at 60,000! This is what I feel leads to many of the problems and failures. By changing the fluid every 30,000 and the filter at 60,000 this will help to prevent early failures that happens to some Honda transmissions. If your fluid has a burnt smell, changing the fluid (3) times with a short drive between changes is recommended. The filters are inexpensive, around $30 and are cheap insurance in my opinion. Thanks for the great content.
@@BigDog50001 , Similar to how it's important to change oil filter , transmission fluid filter should be change.... But not as frequently. The older Hondas can go very long without a filter change,,,, depending on periodic fluid changes.
I go along with your recommendation to change fluid every 30,000mi not every 60,000 to 100,000 miles on honda odysseys schedules. I also thing honda is wrong recommending not servicing the filter. Some certain years odysseys have problems change fluid more often and you won't. 🤓 great video 👍
Yup. My friend has a 2014 Odyssey that's very picky about the ATF. He bought it at around 100K miles and had to change the fluid at least 6 times already in the last ~50K miles. And I don't mean as maintenance, I mean to prevent shuddering and erratic shifting. Very well known issue with those. The odd thing is the old fluid always still looks great once the transmission starts acting up and wants another fluid change. We installed the OEM ATF cooler kit to try to extend the fluid life, but it didn't seem to help much.
I just got my 2010 Accord transmission fluid changed at 140k miles . Garage place would not touch the filter. Recommended a transmission repair place. They told me it would be $179 to do it NO F-ing way. Honda knows their vehicles. If they say it's not a regular maintenance issue,and judging by the unusual placement and type of filter ,it probably wasn't meant to be changed out but maybe once during the lifetime of the car
If Honda knows their vehicles so well and we can trust their advice, why have they had so much trouble with automatic transmissions for the last 2+ decades? And why would they recommend ATF replacement intervals that have been proven over and over again to be way too long?
Thank you for sharing this. It's been like 2 years but I was having a crisis to whether change the filter or not. I almost called a shop to ask for an approximate quote on changing it. Now since Honda itself recommends not messing with it I can rest easy to just drain and refill my trans fluid. Thank you again you saved me money with this information.
I have a 2007 Civic GX. Fluid changes but it was still acting weird over 200k miles. Got the trans filter changed and it was so much better afterword. It's worth a shot before major work.
I disagree instead of 30000 miles I would do it at every 15000 miles drain and flush just to make sure nobody needs to do a overhaul on a transmission is not necessary.
@@sntruck I don't think doing a flesh is needed but dropping the fluid out of the pan and replacing the 2.5 quarts every third oil change would give you a really clean transmission without a costing an arm and a leg.
Usually there are shifting and speed solenoids maybe 5 altogether on the outside of the transmission that are gummed up or just bad and usually the problem. A simple cleaning does wonders and can be test with a meter for replacing if need be.
I am new to honda.. However, I do replace the ATF filter and the Transmission oil every 6 months sometimes even less.. Because I believe every oil needs its filter to be clean and move the oil easier and the oil because every oil has expired date or KM and its enemy the heat.. Always.. Never had any problem with my honda or any past vehicles. It just maintenance.
That in transmission filter should be changed too. These transmissions are known to fail in high milage wouldn't be surprised if honda is saying that so you can break your honda and buy a new one.
If you have an older car that has a filter you should definitely change it. I have an 05 Honda pilot and I recently felt minor glitcher in the transmission. I change the filter and oil. Seem it was the first they were being changed. The oil was black and think. The tranny is changing much better and feels really good. Will change it again soon so the fluid will be a lot cleaner.
This video is 6 years old, but I just came across it. I guess this question might be better suited for a Honda engineer, but I’m going to shoot my shot with you anyway since you seem knowledgeable. Why have a filter if it’s not necessary to change it? I have a 2017 Accord V6, and I’ve noticed the transmission shifts harshly during the winter months. I picked up a filter from the Honda dealer but didn’t know where it’s located on the vehicle, which led me to this video. With that said, feel free to elaborate on the possible pros and cons of changing the filter.
Fluid change 30,000 or every two years. The "or every two years" part is very important! Honda won't pay for a dead transmission outside of the warranty period. Therefore, change the filter. Soooo many transmissions fail from simple lack of maintenance.
Thank you sooo much, i went to my local parts stores and they all gave me the wrong parts and info, they told me there was a filter in the pan, and there isnt. Now i know what to do, thank you. I wish i coukd go directly to honda.
Do honda say to change fluid every 30k miles ? Have you pulled apart one of those inline filters? Honda also says don't need to change the fluid (once) till 120,000km on my, CU2 accord anyway . Just drained it at 70,000km, well cooked. Much smoother. I'll be opening up filter next time
Of course Honda says that. If they made them easily serviceable, they wouldn't be able to sell you the next model year... no fluid is forever. Keep your fluids changed
Thank you so much. I just need to replace the transmission fluid and ring. Excellent job going to their manual. Do I ned a torque wrench for the spark plugs, transmission, and oil bolt? Thanks
It seems like replacing to filter would be a good idea.With that said I have a 2012 civic I purchased new have done a drain and fill only every 30 thousand miles . The car now has 33000 miles on it no problem with the transmission yet.
I've heard Honda transmission are on the weak side.... maybe this is one reason why?! I agree with others, if there is a replaceable filter, it should be changed.
I'm on 174k miles in my 07 V6 Accord. Transmission is strong as ever. Runs like a new car. Fluid hasn't been changed since 121k miles, which is why I'm looking up videos like this haha!
Nice video. Id change mine just bc I'm use to car maintenance & I feel bad if I didn't do something fully. If honda Doesn't "seem to care" to "care enough of the importance for general maintenance & customer peace of mind" at least they can make accessible when it needs an "overall, leakage or whatever". I'll care enough to change it for being only a under $50 part
Lexus had no schedule maintenance for the transmission in my 2000 rx 300. Doesn't mean I never performed any. Did it at 210,00 miles. Drain and fill and replaced filte (1st time since new) No doubt it performed better...in particular smoother on n downshifting after letting off accelerator. It's easy to get accustomed to decreasing performance over a long period of time. Still running well btw.
I just worked on a friend's 2004 Accord EX with a 3.0 V6 and the filter came apart in its housing under the air filter box. one of the first things that I noticed while taking it apart is that the banjo bolt that goes into the filter housing was clogged with plastic from the base of the filter. after putting in the new filter and clearing out the banjo bolt the transmission still slips badly, I think permanent damage was done to the transmission.
On my 04 Accord EXV6 Sedan had 66,501 miles when i bought it i changed that filter out at 70,000 miles or so the filter was not coming apart. But since i was there install a new filter and o rings.
Also to note none of the transmission had no problems in operation. Sucks your had slipping problems. Lack of maintenance of the fluid and possibly high mileage.
I’ve changed mine on Accord 2.4L. Im glad I did!., that filter so dirty when i crack it open.why not change it the filter is so cheap and easy to replace..
Hi, l change the fluid at 15,000 because a mix/ highway traffic. The magnetic does pick a lot of transmission particles,. I guess the inline filter is back-up? I will change it at 50,000 for preventive maintenance. ANY thoughts?
I have a 2001 Honda Civic ex at over 200k miles. The tranny is slipping really bad 😞. I am going to do a transmission fluid exchange as a last ditch effort to see if I can get more miles out of the car. I don't have money for another vehicle right now. The fluid looks burnt pretty bad. I've only had this car for about a year. Paid 3k for it and done way to much work on it but I figured hell if that works or at least gets me a few more months while waiting on a backpayment from SSI.... I can't go wrong... However I really need to get to my Drs and store and get my prescriptions. I figured less than $200 chance to see if it works is kinda worth it. Keeping my fingers crossed. Do you think this is a good idea to do or not??????
I’m planning on doing a transmission oil change on my 07 accord so is that I don’t need to change my filter just the transmission fluid and I will be good
There's another video by a different mechanic who changed his ATF filter and later sawed open the can to see what's inside. It is a small filter and gets dirty and full of metal powder and contaminants just like any oil filter. It will eventually slow down the ability of the fluid to flow and cool down as it becomes more used and then you can count on trouble eventually. Honda has got a lot of people snookered with this idea. It is a PITA job and many on here dont do it for that reason.
Just because Honda says it doesn't necessarily mean it's the gospel. For example, I have a '98 CRV with just under 300K miles which I've now owned for 25 years. It's always been meticulously maintained but I dodged a bullet around the five year mark (I had logged just under 100K miles at that point) when I learned on the CRV forums to disregard Honda's recommendation to inspect and adjust the valve clearance at the 105K mile mark unless they become noisy before hitting that milestone. It was being reported that owners were experiencing burnt valves waaaay before the 105K mile mark and it came without warning as there was no noise whatsoever coming from their valves. It was learned that the same B20 engine being used in the first generation CRV's ('97-'01) was also being used in the Integra in Europe. Honda's recommendation for the Integra's B20 was FAR different than the one given to CRV owners as they stated to inspect and adjust the valves at the......15K mile mark!! Does that sound just a little shady to anyone? It was later learned it was done to keep the reported initial cost-of-ownership figure down in the North American CRV's....essentially a marketing decision. Not only was their mileage figure bogus but so was their claim to listen for noisy valves as a warning sign. Valves with excessive clearance are noisy but don't pose a real danger whereas tight valves are quiet and can lead to burnt valves. So Honda basically lied on both counts. I caught my tight valves(the exhaust valves I seem to remember) just in time and it was only because of the great info provided on CRV forums. CRV owners were recommending to do it every 30K miles and that's what I did the first couple of times. After that I decided to experiment to see how far I could stretch it. I now do it every 50K miles and even at that mark I find everything to be within spec. I adjust mine to the loose side of specs to avoid the tight valves situation.
There’s a video of a guy cutting one after 100,000 miles open and it’s really dirty and metal shavings. It’s $28 OEM I would just change it after a while.
I saw a video where a guy spliced in a filter into the transmission hose like a gas fuel filter to have 2 filters and the new 1 is far more accessible to change again. 🤓
I have a 2005 Odyssey Around 250000 miles Just recently found out there is a what Honda calls an element or or filter or inline strainer Is hiding up under the battery tray next to the ABS system But when you ask Honda about it they say there is no filter It's like they want to experiment on us to see how long the transmissions will last Without changing that element Not cool man not cool at all So instead of 30000 mile transmission change change I'm gonna do a 15000 mile quick dump and fill Since the van is getting a little older
I replaced mine on my Accord about a year ago, kinda PITA and then I kicked myself for it, really looked good. So now, at 351k, I guess I'm just biting my time. She runs and shifts like new still!
It says unless contaminated so when I see people pull out these pitch black oil filters that are usually red on my acura tl doesn't that count as contamination?
Honda wants to sell you a new Car not a Transmission Filter - Of Course they dont recommend you replace it, just like "lifetime fluids" by other Manufactures (BMW is what I know). Manufactures want you to get 100kmi, and then they want you to buy another vehicle. They are not listed on the NYSE because they care about your transmission (Honda Odyssey was notorious for its tranny, Lawsuits, etc...) Im replacing the filter, sorry you didn't show me where it was located. The Fluid replacement was good video, but you shouldn't discourage any maintenance cause the manufacture says its not needed or lifetime fluids.
You should do what you feel is best of course. I don't believed I "discouraged" anyone from doing anything, I simply talked about what Honda says and what I do. I have not seen transmission issues due to filter service (or non service) because if I had I would advise otherwise. I have seem Honda transmissions fail for other things like not servicing the fluid, or due to the older fluid spec Honda used to use and due to poor manufacturing/design. I didn't show locations in this video because each model is different and this was not a replacement video nor was it specific to a certain model.
On the pilot you need to drop the trans split the case and replace the standard trans filter inside the casing. All honda transmitions have these filters
That is silly in my opinion as I have seen them to many times with gunk in them. That is a statement like the lifetime transmission fill!! Engineers are not always correct and the manufacturer sure don't care after the warranty is up. Unless the labor cost is too high(Nissan CVT) the filter will get changed. That being said, it does not take that long on allot of the Honda Vehicles.
Thank you for that information because i was looking for transmission filter but now i know we don't have to change only when the transaction is repair .thank you again for your information about transmission honda accord. 👍👍
I have a 2nd generation 04 odyssey that had regular transmission failures at 80,000 + miles. It has an outside filter that is not to hard changing and should be changed for extended life. Is your advice of 30,000mi fluid changes the same as Hondas standards? Thank you for taking the time for your video. 😁
If your car has over 100,000 miles, it's likely contaminated, so change the filter. Some brands will say 10,000 oil changes, too. Don't listen to them. They want you to buy another car just after the warranty period.
I have a slight leak in my transmission fluid? It’s a 2012 Honda Accord with 165,000 miles on it. And transmission fluid never been changed. I don’t believe. So, in my case do I need to change the filter or just do a simple drain and refill? Thank you
I would probably change the filter if there is a leak. When I come across Hondas where I don't know if the ATF has been serviced regularly, I will do one drain and fill and access it. Typically I will wait at least 5,000 miles before servicing a second time if necessary in those cases. FYI, normal ATF service interval on those Accords is 120k miles (60k miles if driven under "severe" conditions).
@@BigDog50001 yeah I haven’t changed the atf fluid since I got it smh and when I took it to jiffy lube, they checked it out and told me not to worry about the leak right now unless it gets bad? But most likely drain and refill and filter change?
I changed my trans fluid in my 08 accord, put 2.6 in and only shows a 1/4 on the stick , not nearly as full as it should be. Anyone got an answer to this.
Robert Garcia check the fluid color, might have to drain a little at the bottom. If it’s pink, or red, your good. But if it’s black you need to change it or it could cause serious damage to your transmission.
Big Dog50001...Have you ever cut open a Honda transmission fluid filter? If not maybe you should, I've seen videos on UA-cam for those filters cut open and they are filthy dirty those filters had around 100kmi on them. I disagree with what Honda says (and you) I've never heard of a filter lasting for the life of the car common sense says the more particles it catches the more back pressure it creates (less flow) The Hondas have a magnetic drain plug that catches wear particles which as part of the fluid changing procedure we are told to clean drain plug...That filter catches particles that the drain plug doesn't. The whole purpose of a fluid change is to keep the fluid clean right? so why wouldn't you want to change the filter (it's cheap) and pretty easy to do. I'm not recommending it to be changed every fluid change but maybe every other change or two. AND if you do decide to change that filter BUY IT FROM HONDA! most if not ALL sold elsewhere are counterfeit and vary from totally useless to lacking the bypass valve. Prices at Honda dealers vary widely the 2 closest to me are charging $65 and $75 I searched and found a dealer in Utah $34 guess where I bought mine.
To summarize change all filters and fluids is a must, never ever listen to shop BS. KEEP A REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON YOUR CAR AND YOU WILL HAVE FEWER PROBLEMS. PERIOD.... THEY WANT YOU TO BUY NEW.
Very informative video, thanks for posting. I am looking at a used 2009 CRV and only issue seller is stating is that the transmission filter is leaking. Looks extremely easy to change that but was wondering if the very fact that it is leaking indicates problem and if I should avoid this. The Honda statement on when to replace filter suggests that it is not a big deal (and seller said this only started a few weeks ago) but just wondering if I could get your 2 cents. Thank you and look forward to other videos.
My 07 civic is getting the ATF filter change at 150k because its used for a lot of short delivery trips, for $15 cant hurt while doing the ATF drain and fill.....
I think the video would have been helpful if you cut open the filter and looked at what was inside. If the trans fails after the normal 60.000 mile warranty expires, the owner has to pay for it.
In my experience, these conventional Honda transmissions fail because the fluid was not serviced, not because the filter wasn't changed. Thanks for the comment.
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I had a shuttering problem between 3&4 gear shifting at 40 mph. I did a trans drain & fill, drove 10miles, did another drain & fill and the trans oil filter change (25430-PLR-003 filter, $20 at dealer). This was 3 years ago at 100,000 miles on an 09’ CRV. Today the car has 120,000 miles and the trans shifts perfectly. Problem resolved. Jim
PS......car was bought new, trans oil was changed every 30,000 miles.
Was it a 6 cylinder? Also was it the first transmission service?
I currently have a shuttering problem now about the same time. You think changing the filter helped? Not just doing the drain and fill?
@@VS31636 I now have 134,000 miles and everything is ok. But I keep away from that 38-44 mph range with the cruise control (no cruise at that range), it’s touchy at that range. So far so good, try it!
@@VS31636Depends on a lot of factors. Was it pre-owned, and how many miles is it currently at? What did the prior transmission servicing look like?
Does the trans fluid look pink/red and smell like ATF, or is it brown/black and smell burnt? Is the level of ATF at the right amount? How does the transmission shift on cold starts versus once it gets up to operating temps?
I highly suggest you do a 3x3 drain and fill; NO MACHINE FLUSHES! Buy the in-line trans filter and do the trans filter in the trans pan as well. Shouldn’t be too hard for the trans pan filter, but the in-line trans filter doesn’t have many tutorials but is kinda self explanatory once you find the location on the car.
I suggest changing the fluid once or twice and driving it around, and then on the last fluid change, replace the trans filters. This way, most of the new fluid won’t contaminate the freshly replaced filters.
@isnowyazn thanks. I did a drain and fill today. The old fluid was dark and it did have a funky smell. I saw on YT there's a way to put a wire in two sections of the OBD reader so can decipher what the blinking D means. I may do that tomorrow if it blinks again as I'm driving. Will probably get the filter too and change that if I do another drain or two. Thanks again.
From my experience, it's a good idea to change these filters from time to time. My friend just bought a 2014 Odyssey with about 100K miles and when we changed the fluid and filter, the old filter was so clogged that I couldn't even blow through it and the inside of the old filter was nasty. These filters do have a bypass valve so they can't completely stop the flow if they clog, but if the filter is clogged and bypassing constantly, it's not filtering anything, it's just creating a restriction.
If your filter was clogged you have bigger issues my friend.
@@9ZERO6 He very well could. The torque converter clutch was shuddering when he first got the van, which is a known issue on those with a TSB. A few drain and fills and a new filter seems to have solved that for the last several thousand miles, but time will tell how much longer it will last.
how do you change the filter?
@@jerrymccurry9372 Look up where your filter is located, remove the old one, install a new one, and re check the fluid level and for leaks after running it for a few minutes. There's 2 hoses going to it and a 10MM bolt holding it to the bracket. It's not hard on any of the Hondas I've seen.
@@averyalexander2303 Thanks...will try that
Thank god I found this. Today I tried to change mine but got stuck at the big air filter since I couldn't take it out. I was about to decide not to do it and just change the fluid instead. Now I know why the shops don't sell these cause I had to order mine online. Thanks for saving me all the trouble. Love you!
I have been looking for this information, even my local dealer stated there is no filter to change, just the fluid... Just did the fill and drive routine on our 2012 Accord, 9 quarts of Honda fluid. Car runs fine. Thank you for the video!
9 quarts? Wow thought it was 2.5,3
@@mr.mr400 That is what I used to clear out the old fluid, drain a few old quarts out, pour a few new quarts in, drive and then drain, repeat until you get fresh fluid coming out. It works.
@@michaelwright1602 Seems like a waste. Could you not use cheap fluid on the flushes, then put in the recommended fluid?
@@jerrymccurry9372 The idea is to clear the old fluid out of the torque convertor. Once that is evacuated, then you go back to a normal service routine, which is a simple draining of a few quarts and refilling with same. I believe every 30,000 miles is the recommended service interval.
306k miles on my 06 CRV - Never knew there was a strainer that could be changed :) I agree, regular dump and fill. I do mine every 20k miles.. thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comment!
Hondas are so reliable in good hands
But Honda loves to see you in their dealership.... If it's a filter you change the oil and filter .. you change the transmission and that has a filter it must do something common sense would tell anyone that ... Specially if it's outside an takes only a few minutes. Maybe Honda should change that so there would be as many transmission issues.
I was looking into this for my 1st gen Honda Insight on the Insight forum. One Insight owner went to the dealership and asked about it and they first said it has no filter. The guy shows them the part numbers for the strainer and filter, and the dealership guy says that those filters are LIFETIME filters and don't need to be changed.
So the Insight owner asks what the definition of LIFETIME is in this situation. They told him that LIFETIME was 105,000 miles...
This is an anecdote from the internet, so take it for what it's worth. If it's true, than that filter should be changed if your vehicle goes over 105k 😑
I had an 06 Acura TL & I changed out the transmission filter thank god cause the old one was dark crusty & black look like it was about to fall apart so I would say change them if your able to.
How would you know its contaminated if you never change it?
They mean contaminated by water in case of flood or off road misadventures.
Check if the D is blinking
The D in the dashboard should blink, that means that the filter is clogged 😊
@@yanuelgonzalez4356 D as in drive?
@@yanuelgonzalez4356 A flashing D light does NOT mean the filter is clogged, it just means there's a transmission trouble code stored. I doubt a clogged filter would cause that since there's a built in bypass valve, but even if it did cause a trouble code and flashing D light, a lot of other things can too.
I have both done drain and fills and complete in-line filter changes with new hoses and clamps on my 2012 Civic that now has 135,000 miles. The transmission ALWAYS shifts better if I change out the filter and don't just do a drain and fill.
Hi Big Dog, Great videos. I have owned Honda cars and Honda motorcycles for 50 years, great products! I do most of my own work on them and your videos are a big help. Looking at my 2005 manual for my Accord 2.4 the maintenance schedule for normal conditions it states replace transmission fluid at 120,000 miles! Even under severe conditions change at 60,000! This is what I feel leads to many of the problems and failures. By changing the fluid every 30,000 and the filter at 60,000 this will help to prevent early failures that happens to some Honda transmissions. If your fluid has a burnt smell, changing the fluid (3) times with a short drive between changes is recommended. The filters are inexpensive, around $30 and are cheap insurance in my opinion. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks for the input!
@@BigDog50001 , Similar to how it's important to change oil filter , transmission fluid filter should be change.... But not as frequently. The older Hondas can go very long without a filter change,,,, depending on periodic fluid changes.
I go along with your recommendation to change fluid every 30,000mi not every 60,000 to 100,000 miles on honda odysseys schedules. I also thing honda is wrong recommending not servicing the filter. Some certain years odysseys have problems change fluid more often and you won't. 🤓 great video 👍
Your right i have around 250 miles on the odyssey 2005 and instead of 30,000 miles I'm going to do 15,000 miles besides it's just a dump and fill.
Yup. My friend has a 2014 Odyssey that's very picky about the ATF. He bought it at around 100K miles and had to change the fluid at least 6 times already in the last ~50K miles. And I don't mean as maintenance, I mean to prevent shuddering and erratic shifting. Very well known issue with those. The odd thing is the old fluid always still looks great once the transmission starts acting up and wants another fluid change. We installed the OEM ATF cooler kit to try to extend the fluid life, but it didn't seem to help much.
I just got my 2010 Accord transmission fluid changed at 140k miles . Garage place would not touch the filter. Recommended a transmission repair place. They told me it would be $179 to do it NO F-ing way.
Honda knows their vehicles. If they say it's not a regular maintenance issue,and judging by the unusual placement and type of filter ,it probably wasn't meant to be changed out but maybe once during the lifetime of the car
If Honda knows their vehicles so well and we can trust their advice, why have they had so much trouble with automatic transmissions for the last 2+ decades? And why would they recommend ATF replacement intervals that have been proven over and over again to be way too long?
@averyalexander2303 manufacturers want the vehicles to fail not much after 100k miles
Excellent information my friend.Fitst time somebody say something intelligent in the internet.Thank you Sr.
Thank you for sharing this. It's been like 2 years but I was having a crisis to whether change the filter or not. I almost called a shop to ask for an approximate quote on changing it. Now since Honda itself recommends not messing with it I can rest easy to just drain and refill my trans fluid. Thank you again you saved me money with this information.
It's like honda want the transmission to fail
If it has an outside filter change it anyway
@@sntruck exactly. Bunch of naive people in the comments, even the maker of the video. Why in tf wouldn’t you want your fluid to be filtered?
I have a 2007 Civic GX. Fluid changes but it was still acting weird over 200k miles. Got the trans filter changed and it was so much better afterword. It's worth a shot before major work.
Yes I recommend doing it when there are issues with transmission.
I disagree instead of 30000 miles I would do it at every 15000 miles drain and flush just to make sure nobody needs to do a overhaul on a transmission is not necessary.
@@sntruck I don't think doing a flesh is needed but dropping the fluid out of the pan and replacing the 2.5 quarts every third oil change would give you a really clean transmission without a costing an arm and a leg.
Usually there are shifting and speed solenoids maybe 5 altogether on the outside of the transmission that are gummed up or just bad and usually the problem. A simple cleaning does wonders and can be test with a meter for replacing if need be.
@@rodneysmith247 you mean like testing the solenoids for power and function before/after cleaning ?
I am new to honda.. However, I do replace the ATF filter and the Transmission oil every 6 months sometimes even less.. Because I believe every oil needs its filter to be clean and move the oil easier and the oil because every oil has expired date or KM and its enemy the heat.. Always.. Never had any problem with my honda or any past vehicles. It just maintenance.
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Good information. I got '06 accord and recently changed atf filter since it was a easy job to do and felt it was good for the car.
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That in transmission filter should be changed too. These transmissions are known to fail in high milage wouldn't be surprised if honda is saying that so you can break your honda and buy a new one.
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Planned obsolescence. 🤑💰🤑
If you have an older car that has a filter you should definitely change it. I have an 05 Honda pilot and I recently felt minor glitcher in the transmission. I change the filter and oil. Seem it was the first they were being changed. The oil was black and think. The tranny is changing much better and feels really good. Will change it again soon so the fluid will be a lot cleaner.
Thanks for the input!
Got lucky on my 2008 honda CrV, noticed trans fluid leaking on driveway under the radiator. Filter had rusted out after 12 years, 185,000 miles.
Thanks, this saves me a ton of work that wasn't necessary.
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Replacing that filter has no negative effects whatsoever, it can only help.
I would not agree with that statement, you can always break something or damage a system when you work on it.
@@BigDog50001 if you don't know what you are doing
@@BigDog50001 sorry to hear you are incompetent and inexperienced at your repairs. Thats a shame:(
This video is 6 years old, but I just came across it. I guess this question might be better suited for a Honda engineer, but I’m going to shoot my shot with you anyway since you seem knowledgeable. Why have a filter if it’s not necessary to change it? I have a 2017 Accord V6, and I’ve noticed the transmission shifts harshly during the winter months. I picked up a filter from the Honda dealer but didn’t know where it’s located on the vehicle, which led me to this video. With that said, feel free to elaborate on the possible pros and cons of changing the filter.
Fluid change 30,000 or every two years. The "or every two years" part is very important! Honda won't pay for a dead transmission outside of the warranty period. Therefore, change the filter. Soooo many transmissions fail from simple lack of maintenance.
They fail from lack of fluid changes in my opinion. Thanks for the input!
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Yes, but some of us actually want to keep our cars longer than OEM expectations.
Thank you sooo much, i went to my local parts stores and they all gave me the wrong parts and info, they told me there was a filter in the pan, and there isnt. Now i know what to do, thank you. I wish i coukd go directly to honda.
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Do honda say to change fluid every 30k miles ? Have you pulled apart one of those inline filters? Honda also says don't need to change the fluid (once) till 120,000km on my, CU2 accord anyway . Just drained it at 70,000km, well cooked. Much smoother. I'll be opening up filter next time
Sounds like you like to change them, by all means go for it.
Yeah tell honda that to stop ruining transmission. 😅
That's crazy that Honda doesn't recommend changes on them regularily. Must be an easy job since it's not located in the drain pan like most cars. 💯👌
Of course Honda says that. If they made them easily serviceable, they wouldn't be able to sell you the next model year... no fluid is forever. Keep your fluids changed
This video isn't about the fluid, it's about the filter
2007 Honda Accord 2.4, Honda DW1 every 30k miles...I'm at 304k miles right now and it shifts BETTER than any of my other cars
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Just because it is not a scheduled maintenance item it doesnt mean you shouldn't replace them. You still do it will eventually need to be replaced.
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Thank you so much. I just need to replace the transmission fluid and ring. Excellent job going to their manual. Do I ned a torque wrench for the spark plugs, transmission, and oil bolt? Thanks
Perhaps that is why Honda transmissions have a short life spam. I do and recommend you replace the filter with every fluid change.
how do you change it?
I would agree only if u have issues change it
What is the downside to changing the filter? Other than spending money on it
It seems like replacing to filter would be a good idea.With that said I have a 2012 civic I purchased new have done a drain and fill only every 30 thousand miles . The car now has 33000 miles on it no problem with the transmission yet.
I've heard Honda transmission are on the weak side.... maybe this is one reason why?! I agree with others, if there is a replaceable filter, it should be changed.
Honda had some issues with transmissions in the early 2000's, other years have been pretty good. Thanks for the input.
I'm on 174k miles in my 07 V6 Accord. Transmission is strong as ever. Runs like a new car. Fluid hasn't been changed since 121k miles, which is why I'm looking up videos like this haha!
The first gen V6 early 200 era were weak. 05 up is better. 4 cylinders and transmissions were bullet proof.
Nice video. Id change mine just bc I'm use to car maintenance & I feel bad if I didn't do something fully.
If honda Doesn't "seem to care" to "care enough of the importance for general maintenance & customer peace of mind" at least they can make accessible when it needs an "overall, leakage or whatever". I'll care enough to change it for being only a under $50 part
Lexus had no schedule maintenance for the transmission in my 2000 rx 300. Doesn't mean I never performed any. Did it at 210,00 miles. Drain and fill and replaced filte (1st time since new) No doubt it performed better...in particular smoother on n downshifting after letting off accelerator. It's easy to get accustomed to decreasing performance over a long period of time. Still running well btw.
I just worked on a friend's 2004 Accord EX with a 3.0 V6 and the filter came apart in its housing under the air filter box. one of the first things that I noticed while taking it apart is that the banjo bolt that goes into the filter housing was clogged with plastic from the base of the filter. after putting in the new filter and clearing out the banjo bolt the transmission still slips badly, I think permanent damage was done to the transmission.
Same exact problem on 05 accord Sedan V6 sedan and 03 Coupe v6. Those broken pieces clog the banjo bolt passage.
On my 04 Accord EXV6 Sedan had 66,501 miles when i bought it i changed that filter out at 70,000 miles or so the filter was not coming apart. But since i was there install a new filter and o rings.
Also to note none of the transmission had no problems in operation. Sucks your had slipping problems. Lack of maintenance of the fluid and possibly high mileage.
I’ve changed mine on Accord 2.4L. Im glad I did!., that filter so dirty when i crack it open.why not change it the filter is so cheap and easy to replace..
Thanks for the input!
At which mileage did you change your filter, thank you in advance?
Is the filter housing underneath the battery?
I’m getting ready to change the ATF filter for the second time. Change fluid every 25-30k. Over 430k miles.
how do you change it?
Hi, l change the fluid at 15,000 because a mix/ highway traffic. The magnetic does pick a lot of transmission particles,. I guess the inline filter is back-up? I will change it at 50,000 for preventive maintenance. ANY thoughts?
You should open one of those filters up and check theur design.
Thanks big dog. Was wondering the same thing, now I know thanks to you
All I do is a flush and fill with Honda ATF fluid. 2007 Odyssey 68000 miles have done it once. 👍👍
Thanks for the input!
Very good video, and helpful. God Bless you
Thanks!
Those 2008 to 12 Honda Accord V6 models. Had the filter inside the case. Unlike the 7th gen Accord V6.
I have a 2001 Honda Civic ex at over 200k miles. The tranny is slipping really bad 😞. I am going to do a transmission fluid exchange as a last ditch effort to see if I can get more miles out of the car. I don't have money for another vehicle right now. The fluid looks burnt pretty bad. I've only had this car for about a year. Paid 3k for it and done way to much work on it but I figured hell if that works or at least gets me a few more months while waiting on a backpayment from SSI.... I can't go wrong... However I really need to get to my Drs and store and get my prescriptions. I figured less than $200 chance to see if it works is kinda worth it. Keeping my fingers crossed. Do you think this is a good idea to do or not??????
New fluid and filter with Lucas transmission slip. If you’re still slipping bad 200 miles later then it might be time to look for another car
@@rixzin5046 yeah to late I already moved on... Got a 2013 mustang...lol. the tranny was shot...
Thank u. I been looking for filter everywhere. ...😂
I’m planning on doing a transmission oil change on my 07 accord so is that I don’t need to change my filter just the transmission fluid and I will be good
Very good, that just settled it for me. Thanks 😊
There's another video by a different mechanic who changed his ATF filter and later sawed open the can to see what's inside. It is a small filter and gets dirty and full of metal powder and contaminants just like any oil filter. It will eventually slow down the ability of the fluid to flow and cool down as it becomes more used and then you can count on trouble eventually. Honda has got a lot of people snookered with this idea. It is a PITA job and many on here dont do it for that reason.
Just because Honda says it doesn't necessarily mean it's the gospel. For example, I have a '98 CRV with just under 300K miles which I've now owned for 25 years. It's always been meticulously maintained but I dodged a bullet around the five year mark (I had logged just under 100K miles at that point) when I learned on the CRV forums to disregard Honda's recommendation to inspect and adjust the valve clearance at the 105K mile mark unless they become noisy before hitting that milestone. It was being reported that owners were experiencing burnt valves waaaay before the 105K mile mark and it came without warning as there was no noise whatsoever coming from their valves. It was learned that the same B20 engine being used in the first generation CRV's ('97-'01) was also being used in the Integra in Europe. Honda's recommendation for the Integra's B20 was FAR different than the one given to CRV owners as they stated to inspect and adjust the valves at the......15K mile mark!! Does that sound just a little shady to anyone? It was later learned it was done to keep the reported initial cost-of-ownership figure down in the North American CRV's....essentially a marketing decision. Not only was their mileage figure bogus but so was their claim to listen for noisy valves as a warning sign. Valves with excessive clearance are noisy but don't pose a real danger whereas tight valves are quiet and can lead to burnt valves. So Honda basically lied on both counts. I caught my tight valves(the exhaust valves I seem to remember) just in time and it was only because of the great info provided on CRV forums. CRV owners were recommending to do it every 30K miles and that's what I did the first couple of times. After that I decided to experiment to see how far I could stretch it. I now do it every 50K miles and even at that mark I find everything to be within spec. I adjust mine to the loose side of specs to avoid the tight valves situation.
How would someone know if its tme to replace the filter?
There’s a video of a guy cutting one after 100,000 miles open and it’s really dirty and metal shavings. It’s $28 OEM I would just change it after a while.
Thanks for the input!
I saw a video where a guy spliced in a filter into the transmission hose like a gas fuel filter to have 2 filters and the new 1 is far more accessible to change again. 🤓
I have a 2005 Odyssey Around 250000 miles Just recently found out there is a what Honda calls an element or or filter or inline strainer Is hiding up under the battery tray next to the ABS system But when you ask Honda about it they say there is no filter It's like they want to experiment on us to see how long the transmissions will last Without changing that element Not cool man not cool at all So instead of 30000 mile transmission change change I'm gonna do a 15000 mile quick dump and fill Since the van is getting a little older
All the cars need external filter plus intercooler this upgrade will help your transmission
Very good information, thanks!!
I replaced mine on my Accord about a year ago, kinda PITA and then I kicked myself for it, really looked good. So now, at 351k, I guess I'm just biting my time. She runs and shifts like new still!
Thanks for the input!
Which honda accord year model do you have ?
@@abdulrhmanalzahrani6056 '03.... With 390k now!
@@xr500t nice
Thank youu so much. I searched a lot this one is 🔥
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I would like to know on a 2011 Honda Ridgeline I would definitely like to change my fluid
I have a 2008 honda accord 2.4 liter 4 cylinder with an automatic transmission.where is the transmission filter located.thanks
How about the ATF warmer filter? This is a smaller and separate filter that I've seen recommended for changing on other forums and videos?
We talking the in-line filter in the engine compartment or the internal transmission filter? On my CR-V there is an in-line beneath the radiator.
In line, not the one inside the transmission.
Agree. Drain and fills are good enough.
That's what I do on my own Hondas, but I am fine if others want to change them.
It says unless contaminated so when I see people pull out these pitch black oil filters that are usually red on my acura tl doesn't that count as contamination?
Definitely needed this video. Thanks!
Honda wants to sell you a new Car not a Transmission Filter - Of Course they dont recommend you replace it, just like "lifetime fluids" by other Manufactures (BMW is what I know). Manufactures want you to get 100kmi, and then they want you to buy another vehicle. They are not listed on the NYSE because they care about your transmission (Honda Odyssey was notorious for its tranny, Lawsuits, etc...) Im replacing the filter, sorry you didn't show me where it was located. The Fluid replacement was good video, but you shouldn't discourage any maintenance cause the manufacture says its not needed or lifetime fluids.
You should do what you feel is best of course. I don't believed I "discouraged" anyone from doing anything, I simply talked about what Honda says and what I do. I have not seen transmission issues due to filter service (or non service) because if I had I would advise otherwise. I have seem Honda transmissions fail for other things like not servicing the fluid, or due to the older fluid spec Honda used to use and due to poor manufacturing/design. I didn't show locations in this video because each model is different and this was not a replacement video nor was it specific to a certain model.
On the pilot you need to drop the trans split the case and replace the standard trans filter inside the casing. All honda transmitions have these filters
What really I thought the little filter was next to the ABS system Is under the battery tray.
That is silly in my opinion as I have seen them to many times with gunk in them. That is a statement like the lifetime transmission fill!! Engineers are not always correct and the manufacturer sure don't care after the warranty is up. Unless the labor cost is too high(Nissan CVT) the filter will get changed. That being said, it does not take that long on allot of the Honda Vehicles.
Thanks for the input!
Exactly. Who wouldn't. Any filter needs changed.
Thank you for that information because i was looking for transmission filter but now i know we don't have to change only when the transaction is repair .thank you again for your information about transmission honda accord. 👍👍
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I have a 2nd generation 04 odyssey that had regular transmission failures at 80,000 + miles. It has an outside filter that is not to hard changing and should be changed for extended life. Is your advice of 30,000mi fluid changes the same as Hondas standards? Thank you for taking the time for your video. 😁
is there a filter for a 2009 pilot? i cannot find where any one has changed one????/
2003 pilot? I really do not want to change the atf filter!
If your car has over 100,000 miles, it's likely contaminated, so change the filter. Some brands will say 10,000 oil changes, too. Don't listen to them. They want you to buy another car just after the warranty period.
In the cvt trans can you use the mobile one cvt trans oil for Hondas the only thing it’s red not clear like the one that’s in side already
I have a slight leak in my transmission fluid? It’s a 2012 Honda Accord with 165,000 miles on it. And transmission fluid never been changed. I don’t believe. So, in my case do I need to change the filter or just do a simple drain and refill? Thank you
I would probably change the filter if there is a leak. When I come across Hondas where I don't know if the ATF has been serviced regularly, I will do one drain and fill and access it. Typically I will wait at least 5,000 miles before servicing a second time if necessary in those cases. FYI, normal ATF service interval on those Accords is 120k miles (60k miles if driven under "severe" conditions).
@@BigDog50001 yeah I haven’t changed the atf fluid since I got it smh and when I took it to jiffy lube, they checked it out and told me not to worry about the leak right now unless it gets bad?
But most likely drain and refill and filter change?
My 03 crv is way past due for trans service 263.000 I can tell by the condition no red color fluid not burnt yet varnish no don't know
I changed my trans fluid in my 08 accord, put 2.6 in and only shows a 1/4 on the stick , not nearly as full as it should be. Anyone got an answer to this.
Thanks for the videos! Very informative and helpful. Could you share your source of Honda specs and information ?
I pay Honda annually for their service info (in addition to paying for other service info). Thanks for the comment!
08 civic hybrid with cvt. Runs fine. Just passed 200k. Trans fluid has NEVER been changed. Do I change now. Some people say don’t touch. Thoughts??
Robert Garcia check the fluid color, might have to drain a little at the bottom. If it’s pink, or red, your good. But if it’s black you need to change it or it could cause serious damage to your transmission.
Change the fluid and filters.
So is that the same for the cvt trans filter? I have a 16 Accord with cvt I do changed the trans oil n fill but not that
Epidemic Entertainment, I bet you were in for a trip in 2020! Ha!
Great video, thanks!
Big Dog50001...Have you ever cut open a Honda transmission fluid filter? If not maybe you should, I've seen videos on UA-cam for those filters cut open and they are filthy dirty those filters had around 100kmi on them. I disagree with what Honda says (and you) I've never heard of a filter lasting for the life of the car common sense says the more particles it catches the more back pressure it creates (less flow) The Hondas have a magnetic drain plug that catches wear particles which as part of the fluid changing procedure we are told to clean drain plug...That filter catches particles that the drain plug doesn't. The whole purpose of a fluid change is to keep the fluid clean right? so why wouldn't you want to change the filter (it's cheap) and pretty easy to do. I'm not recommending it to be changed every fluid change but maybe every other change or two. AND if you do decide to change that filter BUY IT FROM HONDA! most if not ALL sold elsewhere are counterfeit and vary from totally useless to lacking the bypass valve. Prices at Honda dealers vary widely the 2 closest to me are charging $65 and $75 I searched and found a dealer in Utah $34 guess where I bought mine.
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Maybe my imagination but I think my 2011 CRV shifted better after a drain fluid and replace filter service.
To summarize change all filters and fluids is a must, never ever listen to shop BS. KEEP A REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON YOUR CAR AND YOU WILL HAVE FEWER PROBLEMS. PERIOD.... THEY WANT YOU TO BUY NEW.
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How many filters are there on Automatic transmission cvt honda civic 2015?
Any filter needs replaced .Don't care what they say.
Thank you Big Dog!
Very informative video, thanks for posting. I am looking at a used 2009 CRV and only issue seller is stating is that the transmission filter is leaking. Looks extremely easy to change that but was wondering if the very fact that it is leaking indicates problem and if I should avoid this. The Honda statement on when to replace filter suggests that it is not a big deal (and seller said this only started a few weeks ago) but just wondering if I could get your 2 cents. Thank you and look forward to other videos.
2010 civic is a royal pain in the a#$ to replace the filter.
100% intentional.
so is 2012 accord I4. My 2008 CRV was easy next to bottom of radiator.
Funny a Honda dealer on long Island recommends a dump and refill the tranny fluid at the first 100 thousand. ?
My 07 civic is getting the ATF filter change at 150k because its used for a lot of short delivery trips, for $15 cant hurt while doing the ATF drain and fill.....
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Thanks for the information.
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Very simple and useful, Thanks
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I think the video would have been helpful if you cut open the filter and looked at what was inside. If the trans fails after the normal 60.000 mile warranty expires, the owner has to pay for it.
In my experience, these conventional Honda transmissions fail because the fluid was not serviced, not because the filter wasn't changed. Thanks for the comment.
Learn something today,Thanks for your info….
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2008 CRV 168000 miles I changed filter at 161000 miles because it had rusted and started leaking fluid.
That is a good reason!
Cant find where my honda city exi automatic transmission filter located. Can you help me?