Now if you want an easy to build and reliable system, check out my free 48V offgrid blueprint that uses LV6548's: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html And my 48V all in one buyer's guide: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-all-in-one-buyers-guide.html And check out our forum! It is free for everyone: www.diysolarforum.com/ And the charging current was NOT referring to the AC current. It was referring to DC current and that's why I posted the settings page in the video to avoid confusion. *Does off-grid solar confuse you?* Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system packages and product recommendations, and so much more! www.mobile-solarpower.com *Join our DIY solar community!* #1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike: www.diysolarforum.com Check out my best-selling, beginner-friendly 12V off-grid solar book (affiliate link): amzn.to/2Aj4dX4 If DIY is not for you, but you love solar and need an offgrid system, check out EnergyPal! They will price out a system and get your house offgrid: energypal.com/diysolar/ *My Solar Equipment Recommendations (Constantly updated! Check here first):* 12V/48V Lithium Batteries: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-batteries.html Solar System Component Directory: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solarcomponents.html Complete 48V System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html Plug-N-Play Systems: www.mobile-solarpower.com/full-size-systems.html Complete 48V System Kits: www.mobile-solarpower.com/complete-48v-solar-kits.html DIY Friendly Air Conditioner/ Heat Pumps: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-friendly-air-conditioners.html *My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar Products:* *Signature Solar* Offgrid One-Stop-Shop. Best Value 48V LiFePO4, Victron and Offgrid Specific Heat Pumps: www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek *Current Connected* SOK, Victron, Mr.Cool Heatpumps and High Quality Components: currentconnected.com/?ref=wp *Ecoflow Delta* My favorite plug-n-play solar generator: us.ecoflow.com/?aff=7 *AmpereTime* Cheapest 12V batteries around: amperetime.com/products/ampere-time-12v-100ah-lithium-lifepo4-battery?ref=h-cvbzfahsek *Renogy* A classic 12V solar store that has been around for ages! renogy.sjv.io/n1VjXx *Rich Solar* Renogy's biggest competitor! Similar products, but at a better price: richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek *Battery Hookup* Cheap cell deals bit.ly/2mIxSqt 5% off code: diysolar *Contact Information:* I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar *FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers:* Every video includes some form of paid promotion or sponsorship. Some links on this youtube channel may be affiliate links. We may get paid if you buy something or take an action after clicking one of these. My videos are for educational purposes only. Information is subject to change/update at any time. Electricity is DANGEROUS and can kill. Be smart and use common sense :) DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com
@@rodneyhunt yes I thought that too, that's why I posted the manual to show that it's the DC battery charging amperage setting. Not ac input. I thought what you thought right after I had the 30A breaker flip.
I have an epever upower HI series all in one inverter (3000 or 5000), i have the 3000. Its a pretty good inverter and cost me £550 which is very cheap. Only downside is no scheduled charging from grid and lack of any bluetooth. So i use a shunt (junctek 140f) and contacts to turn on and off charging at cheap rate via wifi smart plug. Would be a good one to review.. Best for the money imo, i looked at them all.
@@Bigdaddyslasher I agree, the touch screens are problematic, but this unit is also suppose to be able to be mounted outside. Waterproofing would be harder with manual switches.
You provide so much knowledge to the community. Your critisms hold these manufacturers to a higher standard; making the products better over time. Thank you
Will, I am glad you showed this video. You have years of knowledge and experience to deal with this unit. As a DIY, if I had to set up the IP6048 unit and ran into as many problems you had to deal with, I would have put my sledge hammer through the unit.
Maybe not fun for you but situations like this are sort of best case scenario in terms of the value of your 'product' as a reviewer because it has the potential to avert a huge amount of frustration among your viewers, and beyond. By word of mouth, their combined reach is probably pretty massive and im sure yours and their influence on the entire population of first time buyers is notable. I think people who assemble or repair things for a living will just take this for what it is and wait for a positive update, but to have a cantankerous product like this end up in the hands of a true newbie runs the risk of derailing someone's entire interest in the subject. Impossible to assess stuff like this from an online spec sheet. Your work is very much appreciated!!
thank you for posting videos like these where you encounter issues/challenges with products. it's educational for both us the consumers, and hopefully the manufacturers too. it's an opportunity for them to take notes about the pain points with what they're putting out in the world, and hopefully fix them / improve future versions.
If you get frustrated with this unit's software, it tells me I would not even consider buying this unit. Thanks for your videos, I have learnt so much.
I am looking at Sungoldpower's 6000 Watt TP6048 All In One unit which has battery less option, low frequency inverter, and can charge a 48v Battery Bank at 120 amps via grid or solar, 450vdc max PV; PLUS output 240vac Split Phase from just one unit. I would love seeing you review that option. Current price is attractive @ $1365
The only thing I don't like about this unit is the inrush current is not too good on this. I have it connected to my AC and as soon as the AC turns on it almost goes into a air mode or fault mode because of overload.
In my case, the most I'll ever use is single phase 120 volts. I still find these larger systems interesting. Just don't forget the van dwellers, RVers and boaters please. We are always looking for upgrades. Thanks Will 👍
I don't think I'm going to be able to do this I just bought a 6500 from sungold I should have did a lot more investigating it's only 110 output also. I'm just a beginner I built a pretty decent little 12 volt system but now I'm trying to go 48 volt. I already made mistakes. Not looking in enough videos and then purchasing things thinking that I took two weeks investigating I needed to take 2 months investigating. And watching more UA-cam. Facebook stuff doesn't work they don't give you the right info. I love these videos from this young man he's so smart. Maybe I'll get lucky and he has a video of the inverter charger that I bought or one very similar. I don't even know how to hook it up
I actually filmed the tear down but never posted it because I figured no one would care considering the issues I had. Figured I could save my viewers some time. If they fix the software I'll do a full tear down
While this device is beyond my current needs, generally, I'm willing to deal with programming difficulties if the product will eventually work properly. After all, programming is usually not altered often once accomplished. The uncontrolled DC charging output I find very concerning. At best, it might trip a BMS or a fuse. I don't like to think about the worst case scenario. But such an issue would render the device completely useless to me.
If I were making a product like that, I'd want to hire someone like you to test it before I put it on the market. I'd call them a "beta tester". What a revolutionary idea, eh?
I was actually thinking about getting this unit. Thanks to this video, I won't. If you're having a hard time with that software, I have no chance, LOL.
Will ,I would like to thank you for your time, with your help and videos, I successfully installed a 12 panel ground mount Sinclair rack, solar DC breakers, 4800watt array, 6000 watt rich solar hybrid ,3 jacpro 100amp,5120 Whrs works perfectly. Thanks again, I promote your channel to all I know.
I just read the manual and there are 12 pages dedicated to setting up all the preferences on your laptop using the supplied software disc. Gotta be better than the screen buttons.
Apparently this is what happens when a bunch of engineers work from home designing a product but no one actually ever physically touches it or uses it themselves. OMG
exactly, and that is happening across the board with everything from tools to materials in construction. That's probably why our cars are a lot more user friendly, everyone uses them.
@@offgridphilosophy7959 No, they could easily put a nice clicky button behind plastic which would still be IP68 rated but instead they went with the cheapest option. Waterproof buttons doesn't need to be bad, it's just the default.
Not everyone uses a car. Since most of those “engineers” are working from home, they are probably doing it from some beach in a foreign country. It’s too bad we can’t find better workers. If only they would stop quitting every time somebody tells them to come to work! 😂
There's a new firmware that apparently fixed some of the bugs. Can you please test again with the new firmware? This is just a rebranded MPP LVX6048 WP
Dang will we’ll I’ve been watching for a while now and I’ve come to a conclusion.. you need to build your own all in one off grid system . With you being the head of design it would be the best set up
Just a thought based on some of the ATS switches and UPS systems I used to work with in a data center environment... But why can't these guys just slap in an ethernet port and give these things a web based interface? That'd make things so much easier to work with when configuring and monitoring.
Hi Will, I have the inverter with the same screen. Did you limit the Total Input current in 02 section (solar + utility)? Looks like you’ve limited the Utility current only w/o solar, thats why the unlimited current moved to the battery due to hight solar power at that moment. Could this be the reason?
I am interested in using export limiting so I can feed power directly from solar panels to my 240v Air Conditioner. My utility simply does not compensate me enough for exported energy and during the summer, my AC can run an hour at a time. What I would like to do is get a 240v DC system like the Growatt and tie the 240 output directly to the 240v junction for the AC, then put the current limiters upstream of the junction so that all of the current goes to the AC when it is running and nothing goes back to the house input panel when the AC is not running. Could you do a video on export limiting that would kind of show how I could do this?
The lv6548 has a restart setting. But a had I dead short one time on an outdoor receptacle and it wouldn’t reset. I had to cut solar and battery power to it for it to reset.
If Will prowse had this many problems, I have no doubt that I would end up taking a sledgehammer to it and breaking it into a million pieces and frustration over trying to get it to work. I'm very happy with my EG 4 6500 EXs. 😊
They need to use a standard dot matrix screen and do a proper menu interface, with mechanical buttons. gimme a column of buttons (5 at least) on the left to pick menu options. HOME, ENTER, CANCEL, UP and DOWN along the bottom of the display.
And with TCIP over standard CAT6, not the old RS232/USB crap. Also logging should be available onsite over normal TCPIP or wifi and not to cloud services.
Most programmable controllers were done from software on a laptop only a few years ago... Not sure why we ended up with that not being the default option today
One of the biggest questions had by people like me, I need this to operate with no internet connectivity. Do I have access to my stats on a local network without internet?
None of these inverters or systems require internet connection at all. You are thinking of mass-produced grid tie and ac coupled battery systems. Not what we use on this channel.
@@WillProwse I'm incredibly appreciative of the reply. I think I need to do more research. I wanted the Sol Ark 15 which is the grid tie system but after watching your videos, I'm not so sure anymore. Thank you for what you do.
I am glad you show us the installation and start up issues as apposed to a discussion about your findings . Good job, hello from Sacramento. Still not receiving notifications on same day of release.
Yep my Inverter Iconica Hybrid 5.5KW in the manaul states that the Solar has be turned off firsts followed by the battery and then the grid, and turn back on this the reverse.
Remembering you had some issues configuring this All In One for off grid; ...I just got a confirmation of a hunch from Everyday Dave ... Clip hooking up same SunGold All In One. He said for some reason, this inverter wants grid power first, then it starts configuring as you turn on battery power next, and solar in. That was 28 mins into his clip about DIY Solar Panel System & SunGold Power Test. Could be this info. may be valuable for that SunGold unit.
I like the trend of PV inputs going with higher voltages. It'll just be really interesting the first time someone barbecues themselves with it though. Since it's the holidays... chestnuts roasting, on an open fire... :smile:
1. Would this handle the jostling of being in an RV? 2. If yes, how would I step it down from 48v to 12v? Electrical stuff is just so confusing to me, but I can save your life as a nurse. Guess all my smarts are in the wrong place. lol
Actually about to get an eg4 inverter and battery set up was wondering your opinion or anyone else's opinion on would it be better to get 2 3000 watt inverter instead of 1 6500 watt inverter my thinking is in an emergency if one goes down you would at least have 1 to fall back on and are there draw backs to that decision thanks
Would love to see you run a decent inductive load on all these inverters and see how they manage. I feel like you once said you don't have any, but maybe get a decent air compressor? Those are always handy.
@@Techa-lo2dc That's a good idea. And sump pumps are definitely a critical load for people who require them. I bet the inrush current on a 1/2 horse pump will shut down most of these cheap all-in-one Inverter/chargers.
@@busimagen I would guess a well pump would pull more. At least the "deep" well variety. Higher horsepower. I don't have a sump pump anymore, but I measured my 240v well pump to require 35 amps on startup, and then 10 amps to run.
@@busimagen Well pumps come in two main types - single speed and variable speed. The single speed pumps are just like sump pumps, they have a big in-rush current on startup. The starting current is proportional to the running current, often about 4x the running current, but it can be more than that. Variable speed pumps have an inverter built into the motor or the controller. They don't have a large starting current but they can have an in-rush current when you first apply power to the inverter as it charges up the capacitors. I've never seen a variable speed pump running on one of these solar inverters...
Will, this is how you fix your terrible software problems - For the same price buy a Fronius Primo - Or a Schneider SW - Or a Magnum energy MS - Or a RadianGS ! Tried and true pieces of kit, and full UL ratings for the USA. Software that can be configured on a computer instead of the silly inverter panel.
hi will, suggestion to solve problem of unit shutting down while no solar input. Use some of the extra batteries you have on hand to simulate solar input while making menu changes
I hate fan noise so I was very interested to see you show why it was so quiet but then you didn't show that. Can you do a tear down in another video and show how cooling works on it?
I have inverter with similar software. Unit called Axioma ISMPPT BFP 5600. Using it from July. In my case it even has LED lights around the screen. :) Had to switch them off, because it looks like permanent holidays in the shed where it installed.
Some guesses The need for a reboot may be related to changing the off grid enable and modes rather than the overload Perhaps the 30A load setting referred to current drawn from the grid rather than to battery
@@WillProwse Missed the manual. Would be interesting if they got it wrong and what if you set it to 10A if you've still got it installed in that awesome rolling scaffold test jig 😀 Top heavy stuff scares me (since my first wife, anyway)
I wonder if you are supposed to close the app on your phone, then use the panel to change settings. I wonder if the phone app is taking primary control of settings and ignoring changes made on panel.
This device shows how the effort to make a good inverter can be neutralized not only by immature software but also by a bad display. I really hate "custom designed" LCDs. Especially in the price range of hundreds or thousands a standard LCD matrix display would not ruin the calculation. The problem with device specific LCDs is that their design is made by electronics designers or programmers who are usually bad graphics designers or they are designed by graphics designers who usually design plastic toys or computer games. In addition to that these LCDs cannot easily be changed if programmers want to add new features and they can only display error numbers, no plain text. Some customers say they don't need a display at all if there is a good app and PC software. I prefer if an inverter has a matrix display and hardware buttons.
'schedule the AC Charging' is a game changer. I have a MPP Solar LV5048 and it works great, but being able to tell the inverter to only charge the battery during specific hours of the day would be key!
Got an Mpp 7248 max ... I can set time for output source priority mode by one hour increments ... I can set time for charging source priority as well It's 48v batteries . 240v input and output ... 8000 w max solar array ... 2 mppt ... in/off grid hybrid that can't feedback the grid ... It's really a game changer to be able to set charging times as electricity rate are varying during the day there ( France ) . Thanks . Point stand I miss the ability to feedback the grid as it could help the neighborhood in case a failure the grid ... I know where to disconnect from the higher voltage and would have been able to use the wiring in case a real ... need . At least during the day ... Safety regulations rules won't ever think nor allows a true being ... before, after ... during ... Official safety concerns !!! Thanks From France with .
There isn't an app to access all of the settings? I can't remember the last time I went to my LV6548 and messed with the settings. I just fire up the Watchpower app and make my changes from the app.
I appreciate all of your reviews. I wouldn't want to deal with the set up issues you experienced here which is a shame since the price makes it easier to start building a system where you could expand later (assuming these can be stacked).
Just a heads up to anyone looking to purchase the sungoldpower hybrid inverter. I purchased mine April 28th of 2023 and it has failed. Getting a hold of sungold is the other problem. I've already ordered a eg4 18k can't wait for it to arrive
I want to build a system to sell back electricity to the texas utilities. Is this the best inverter for that. Just a simple battery backup and sell back system
Hi, Will. Thanks for everything you do. I'm a newbie to solar and learned a lot from watching all of your videos, but I have a situation. I was wondering if maybe you could shed some light on for me? I went with a SunGoldPower 8KW 48V Split Phase Solar Inverter, and I have (12) 450w SunGold Panels and (3) 48v Chins batteries because of all the sales and it seemed to be the most bang for my buck. I plan on adding more panels and batteries to my system over time, But here's my problem, the system has been running great with everything in a single phase. I have it in SBU mode, so it has solar/battery/grid hooked up to inverter. But I recently bought a tesla and added a 240 outlet to charge it, so this is the 1st thing I have running on both phases I knew it wouldn't be enough to charge whole car but I thought it would charge alot of it till I add more but for some reason when I hook car up and I set it to charge at 15a (so that would actually be 30a altogether. 15a per phase). But the amps output on the inverter jumps up to like 70amps and seems to kill my batteries a lot quicker than it should, so I have know clue where extra power is going because it's not to car. So I was wondering if you might have any ideas on what might be happening or if that is just normal and I need to keep adding batteries, lol
I got the 8KW model software was not as bad as the one you got, I did have to go through all the settings to get a proper function, unit is quiet and works great for grid-tie
Hi Will Thanks for all your great videos. I'm a marine electrician and I see a lot of DIY boaters mixing lead acid and lithium batteries in the same bank. I strongly don't recommend this dye to the different technologies. Please can you consider doing a video on this as I think these so called "Hybrid" systems are getting more and more popular in the boating community. Kind regards Del.
I'm really disappointed I bought this exact unit. I install Sol-Ark 12k, 15k, for clients and wanted to have a smaller full function inverter to offer that was stackable for more power as clients needs grew. Obviously I test at my own expense. I was spoiled using a SGP 12vdc to 120/240 vac 4kv non grid tie for UPS mode. Simple worked 100% of the time. This Blue 6kw grid tie, split phase with 2 mppt 600vdc 7500 total PV input would be a great unit with proper software. As of now not sure what I am going to do. My home & farm still run on 4 Trace SW4024 grid tie inverters from the 1998 era. Old school but still working!
Thx for informative video. At 1st glance, considering price and capability, I was very interested. After seeing this vid, The EG4 12K may be the best option. I doubt these companies even have software engineers. Most likely, they use the generic software from the component maker. If you have your equipment anywhere close to where you live or sleep, noise is a major issue. If you get frustrated easily, a good software menu is worth the money.
It seems like this unit is just not up to par. Not having a factory reset, and shutting down like that tells me that it would be a problem for when there was an actual emergency!
I was excited about your last 2 videos as I am looking for a more cost effective solution for Grid Interactive than Sol-Ark that will also work with a large Nickel Iron Battery I just bought. These 2 units were high on my list of capabilities on paper but if you can't get it to function as it should I am not sure what hope I have. The third option I am looking at is the Schneider Conext XW PRO 6.8KW Hybrid Inverter/Charger | 48V 120/240V. Its a bit pricier and I am not sure if it supports sending power back to the grid. I have my Interconnect Agreement right now with Solaredge but I am trying to figure out the best way to AC Couple another inverter that will allow me to use a 48V 1200aH Nickel Iron Battery. My main goal is to make it through the night with import. I have already cut my electric bill in half my goal is to get it to 0 or as close as I can. Keep up the good work.
I'm using IQ8 microinverters on my panels. Is there an all in one off grid inverter that you can recommend? I'm having a difficult time finding one that accepts PV ac voltage... Thanks in advance.
So I have the same brand 1kw unit that if I have a overload I have to disconnect the battery (we are completely off grid and the inverter has been running for 2 years now with no issues)
I like big dumb inverter chargers 15k 18k like the YIYEN inverters on is on ! 7 or 8 dip switches and it works first try. Big transformers huge surge capacity.
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I think the 30 amp setting is from the grid not the battery amps. so 240 x 30=7200watts. 7200/48=150 amps to battery. Just an idea.
@@rodneyhunt yes I thought that too, that's why I posted the manual to show that it's the DC battery charging amperage setting. Not ac input. I thought what you thought right after I had the 30A breaker flip.
I have an epever upower HI series all in one inverter (3000 or 5000), i have the 3000. Its a pretty good inverter and cost me £550 which is very cheap. Only downside is no scheduled charging from grid and lack of any bluetooth. So i use a shunt (junctek 140f) and contacts to turn on and off charging at cheap rate via wifi smart plug. Would be a good one to review.. Best for the money imo, i looked at them all.
I hate HMI touch screens they're very problematic vs a old school switch and button setup.
@@Bigdaddyslasher I agree, the touch screens are problematic, but this unit is also suppose to be able to be mounted outside. Waterproofing would be harder with manual switches.
You provide so much knowledge to the community. Your critisms hold these manufacturers to a higher standard; making the products better over time. Thank you
Will, I am glad you showed this video. You have years of knowledge and experience to deal with this unit. As a DIY, if I had to set up the IP6048 unit and ran into as many problems you had to deal with, I would have put my sledge hammer through the unit.
Wow. Thanks for making sure none of us have buyer’s remorse for getting EG4s
Maybe not fun for you but situations like this are sort of best case scenario in terms of the value of your 'product' as a reviewer because it has the potential to avert a huge amount of frustration among your viewers, and beyond. By word of mouth, their combined reach is probably pretty massive and im sure yours and their influence on the entire population of first time buyers is notable. I think people who assemble or repair things for a living will just take this for what it is and wait for a positive update, but to have a cantankerous product like this end up in the hands of a true newbie runs the risk of derailing someone's entire interest in the subject. Impossible to assess stuff like this from an online spec sheet. Your work is very much appreciated!!
thank you for posting videos like these where you encounter issues/challenges with products. it's educational for both us the consumers, and hopefully the manufacturers too. it's an opportunity for them to take notes about the pain points with what they're putting out in the world, and hopefully fix them / improve future versions.
Your definately an advanced user...imagine us first timers trying to get this set up...I am sure the words coming out of our mouths will be much worse
If you get frustrated with this unit's software, it tells me I would not even consider buying this unit. Thanks for your videos, I have learnt so much.
I am looking at Sungoldpower's 6000 Watt TP6048 All In One unit which has battery less option, low frequency inverter, and can charge a 48v Battery Bank at 120 amps via grid or solar, 450vdc max PV; PLUS output 240vac Split Phase from just one unit. I would love seeing you review that option. Current price is attractive @ $1365
The only thing I don't like about this unit is the inrush current is not too good on this. I have it connected to my AC and as soon as the AC turns on it almost goes into a air mode or fault mode because of overload.
In my case, the most I'll ever use is single phase 120 volts. I still find these larger systems interesting. Just don't forget the van dwellers, RVers and boaters please. We are always looking for upgrades. Thanks Will 👍
Amen!
Agreed! I’d love to see a video updating the recommendations for a large rv system. Read the book today and it’s gotten pretty outdated at this point.
Heh, yup. My 46kw of Eve cells arrive in a few weeks. Need to get inverters on order so I can get it all installed in my RV.
Their parasitic draw is horrendous. They are only for people who are sun and battery rich.
I don't think I'm going to be able to do this I just bought a 6500 from sungold I should have did a lot more investigating it's only 110 output also. I'm just a beginner I built a pretty decent little 12 volt system but now I'm trying to go 48 volt. I already made mistakes. Not looking in enough videos and then purchasing things thinking that I took two weeks investigating I needed to take 2 months investigating. And watching more UA-cam. Facebook stuff doesn't work they don't give you the right info. I love these videos from this young man he's so smart. Maybe I'll get lucky and he has a video of the inverter charger that I bought or one very similar. I don't even know how to hook it up
Totally enjoy learning thru your videos! Thanks Will!
Since the cooling here is different i'd have liked to see a teardown like used to do in the past to show the differences to the LV6548.
I actually filmed the tear down but never posted it because I figured no one would care considering the issues I had. Figured I could save my viewers some time. If they fix the software I'll do a full tear down
While this device is beyond my current needs, generally, I'm willing to deal with programming difficulties if the product will eventually work properly. After all, programming is usually not altered often once accomplished. The uncontrolled DC charging output I find very concerning. At best, it might trip a BMS or a fuse. I don't like to think about the worst case scenario. But such an issue would render the device completely useless to me.
If I were making a product like that, I'd want to hire someone like you to test it before I put it on the market.
I'd call them a "beta tester". What a revolutionary idea, eh?
I am learning a lot, just by watching by watching how you work through the frustrations of "set up". Something that I have yet to go through.
I was actually thinking about getting this unit. Thanks to this video, I won't. If you're having a hard time with that software, I have no chance, LOL.
Will ,I would like to thank you for your time, with your help and videos, I successfully installed a 12 panel ground mount Sinclair rack, solar DC breakers, 4800watt array, 6000 watt rich solar hybrid ,3 jacpro 100amp,5120 Whrs works perfectly. Thanks again, I promote your channel to all I know.
This was a great review, hopefully the manufacturer sees it and accepts the feedback.
I just read the manual and there are 12 pages dedicated to setting up all the preferences on your laptop using the supplied software disc. Gotta be better than the screen buttons.
Your patience is amazing.
Apparently this is what happens when a bunch of engineers work from home designing a product but no one actually ever physically touches it or uses it themselves. OMG
To be fair, the annoying buttons are to get the ip68 waterproof rating. But yeah the software is a train wreck.
exactly, and that is happening across the board with everything from tools to materials in construction. That's probably why our cars are a lot more user friendly, everyone uses them.
@@offgridphilosophy7959 No, they could easily put a nice clicky button behind plastic which would still be IP68 rated but instead they went with the cheapest option. Waterproof buttons doesn't need to be bad, it's just the default.
Not everyone uses a car. Since most of those “engineers” are working from home, they are probably doing it from some beach in a foreign country. It’s too bad we can’t find better workers. If only they would stop quitting every time somebody tells them to come to work! 😂
@@Torbjorn.Lindgren Shirley your last name isn't rubber.
There's a new firmware that apparently fixed some of the bugs. Can you please test again with the new firmware? This is just a rebranded MPP LVX6048 WP
Software engineering where the left hand and right hand can not shake hands. Glad you showed us the problems.
I've been seeing a trend in a range of products where software is key, it's all about software. And we can see that in many products.
Dang will we’ll I’ve been watching for a while now and I’ve come to a conclusion.. you need to build your own all in one off grid system . With you being the head of design it would be the best set up
Thanks, Will. Completely relevant effort and review.
Looks a promising and capable unit, I like an inverter that doesn't have noisy fans going 24/7. Hopefully Version 2.0 will remedy interface issues !!!
Thanks for playing with this one, it was on my list to consider!
I was about to say, yes!! Awesome!! Then.... Well the video says everything.
Just a thought based on some of the ATS switches and UPS systems I used to work with in a data center environment... But why can't these guys just slap in an ethernet port and give these things a web based interface? That'd make things so much easier to work with when configuring and monitoring.
Thanks for the review, I just got an advertisement for this one and was waiting for your review. Sounds like we need to wait a bit longer....
Hi Will, I have the inverter with the same screen.
Did you limit the Total Input current in 02 section (solar + utility)?
Looks like you’ve limited the Utility current only w/o solar, thats why the unlimited current moved to the battery due to hight solar power at that moment. Could this be the reason?
Hey Will, what is the standby consumption ? I hope its better than the Blue Power TP6048
I am interested in using export limiting so I can feed power directly from solar panels to my 240v Air Conditioner. My utility simply does not compensate me enough for exported energy and during the summer, my AC can run an hour at a time. What I would like to do is get a 240v DC system like the Growatt and tie the 240 output directly to the 240v junction for the AC, then put the current limiters upstream of the junction so that all of the current goes to the AC when it is running and nothing goes back to the house input panel when the AC is not running. Could you do a video on export limiting that would kind of show how I could do this?
The lv6548 has a restart setting. But a had I dead short one time on an outdoor receptacle and it wouldn’t reset. I had to cut solar and battery power to it for it to reset.
If Will prowse had this many problems, I have no doubt that I would end up taking a sledgehammer to it and breaking it into a million pieces and frustration over trying to get it to work. I'm very happy with my EG 4 6500 EXs. 😊
They need to make the controllers able to be configured in a computer, then transferred to the inverter as a data stream.
They need to use a standard dot matrix screen and do a proper menu interface, with mechanical buttons.
gimme a column of buttons (5 at least) on the left to pick menu options.
HOME, ENTER, CANCEL, UP and DOWN along the bottom of the display.
And with TCIP over standard CAT6, not the old RS232/USB crap. Also logging should be available onsite over normal TCPIP or wifi and not to cloud services.
Most programmable controllers were done from software on a laptop only a few years ago... Not sure why we ended up with that not being the default option today
Yeah, I'm sure just building it on a Pi Zero 2W would have been so much better.
I control my LV6548 from the Watchpower app on my phone. That whole button pushing on the control panel is annoying.
Happy Christmas to you! Thanks for always making cool videos.
If Will has this much trouble getting this setup there is a 0% chance anyone else will use this successfully.
So grateful I recently found your channel. Hands down the absolute best solar channel. Amazing value. THANKS
One of the biggest questions had by people like me, I need this to operate with no internet connectivity. Do I have access to my stats on a local network without internet?
None of these inverters or systems require internet connection at all. You are thinking of mass-produced grid tie and ac coupled battery systems. Not what we use on this channel.
@@WillProwse I'm incredibly appreciative of the reply. I think I need to do more research. I wanted the Sol Ark 15 which is the grid tie system but after watching your videos, I'm not so sure anymore. Thank you for what you do.
I am glad you show us the installation and start up issues as apposed to a discussion about your findings . Good job, hello from Sacramento. Still not receiving notifications on same day of release.
Yep my Inverter Iconica Hybrid 5.5KW in the manaul states that the Solar has be turned off firsts followed by the battery and then the grid, and turn back on this the reverse.
I love your videos and your commentary... Maybe one day soon I'll be able to put your videos to use building my own system... :)
Remembering you had some issues configuring this All In One for off grid; ...I just got a confirmation of a hunch from Everyday Dave ... Clip hooking up same SunGold All In One. He said for some reason, this inverter wants grid power first, then it starts configuring as you turn on battery power next, and solar in. That was 28 mins into his clip about DIY Solar Panel System & SunGold Power Test. Could be this info. may be valuable for that SunGold unit.
I like the trend of PV inputs going with higher voltages. It'll just be really interesting the first time someone barbecues themselves with it though.
Since it's the holidays... chestnuts roasting, on an open fire... :smile:
100 Volts is almost as lethal as 500 volts ... Not sure the bbq effect would be any different...
The supercharging of software to allow more PV voltage input is just begging to be regulated.
@@McRod-1 I believe everything over 50 volts DC is regulated round here.
It is amazing how far all in one inverters have come. And they are still improving.
I've came to appreciate 🙏 your videos very much.
Thank you Sir 👍
Engineering is the bane of all industries excellent video great content six stars
Makes me happy I bought the Sol-ark 12K!
The 30a setting for max charge current is probably an ac value. I think my old Xantrex inverter does it the same way.
That's why I posted the manual in the video so you can clearly see that it's not. It's the DC amperage rating
1. Would this handle the jostling of being in an RV?
2. If yes, how would I step it down from 48v to 12v?
Electrical stuff is just so confusing to me, but I can save your life as a nurse. Guess all my smarts are in the wrong place. lol
Actually about to get an eg4 inverter and battery set up was wondering your opinion or anyone else's opinion on would it be better to get 2 3000 watt inverter instead of 1 6500 watt inverter my thinking is in an emergency if one goes down you would at least have 1 to fall back on and are there draw backs to that decision thanks
Would love to see you run a decent inductive load on all these inverters and see how they manage. I feel like you once said you don't have any, but maybe get a decent air compressor? Those are always handy.
A submersible pump in a bucket of water is an easy way to add a substantial inductive load to an inverter...
@@Techa-lo2dc That's a good idea. And sump pumps are definitely a critical load for people who require them. I bet the inrush current on a 1/2 horse pump will shut down most of these cheap all-in-one Inverter/chargers.
@@busimagen I would guess a well pump would pull more. At least the "deep" well variety. Higher horsepower. I don't have a sump pump anymore, but I measured my 240v well pump to require 35 amps on startup, and then 10 amps to run.
@@busimagen Well pumps come in two main types - single speed and variable speed. The single speed pumps are just like sump pumps, they have a big in-rush current on startup. The starting current is proportional to the running current, often about 4x the running current, but it can be more than that. Variable speed pumps have an inverter built into the motor or the controller. They don't have a large starting current but they can have an in-rush current when you first apply power to the inverter as it charges up the capacitors. I've never seen a variable speed pump running on one of these solar inverters...
Can't they be configured to feed the same panel as the grid, so that any large inrush would just be handled by grid?
Thanks again Will. Learning a lot from your videos.
Will, this is how you fix your terrible software problems - For the same price buy a Fronius Primo - Or a Schneider SW - Or a Magnum energy MS - Or a RadianGS ! Tried and true pieces of kit, and full UL ratings for the USA. Software that can be configured on a computer instead of the silly inverter panel.
Great video Will!!
Watched again to see if you had an updated review
Like this unit , great for my application
So much for DIY with this unit. Not ready for Prime Time!
Great job exposing the software bugs, any new updates to their software? This is a perfect fit for our project, but it's been put on deck......haha
1:29... Touch sensor buttons have a longer service life than Mechanical buttons and are less expensive...
hi will, suggestion to solve problem of unit shutting down while no solar input. Use some of the extra batteries you have on hand to simulate solar input while making menu changes
My growatt SC4880 MPPT charge controller does that same shut off at night. Super annoying when you're trying to change settings.
Would like to see the insides of this unit to find out the waterproofing and heat dissipation they have added.
yes, tactile buttons and switches!!! Agreed 100%
I hate fan noise so I was very interested to see you show why it was so quiet but then you didn't show that. Can you do a tear down in another video and show how cooling works on it?
I have inverter with similar software. Unit called Axioma ISMPPT BFP 5600. Using it from July. In my case it even has LED lights around the screen. :) Had to switch them off, because it looks like permanent holidays in the shed where it installed.
Some guesses
The need for a reboot may be related to changing the off grid enable and modes rather than the overload
Perhaps the 30A load setting referred to current drawn from the grid rather than to battery
That's why I posted the manual showing it refers to the DC amperage. Not ac. That was my first thought as well
And yes good point about the reboot. Typically there's an on and off switch so you can do it quickly
@@WillProwse Missed the manual. Would be interesting if they got it wrong and what if you set it to 10A if you've still got it installed in that awesome rolling scaffold test jig 😀
Top heavy stuff scares me (since my first wife, anyway)
Been following them for a while good to see a review
I wonder if you are supposed to close the app on your phone, then use the panel to change settings. I wonder if the phone app is taking primary control of settings and ignoring changes made on panel.
This device shows how the effort to make a good inverter can be neutralized not only by immature software but also by a bad display. I really hate "custom designed" LCDs. Especially in the price range of hundreds or thousands a standard LCD matrix display would not ruin the calculation. The problem with device specific LCDs is that their design is made by electronics designers or programmers who are usually bad graphics designers or they are designed by graphics designers who usually design plastic toys or computer games. In addition to that these LCDs cannot easily be changed if programmers want to add new features and they can only display error numbers, no plain text. Some customers say they don't need a display at all if there is a good app and PC software. I prefer if an inverter has a matrix display and hardware buttons.
This seems like a really solid product. Has the software improved at all since this video was posted..?
'schedule the AC Charging' is a game changer. I have a MPP Solar LV5048 and it works great, but being able to tell the inverter to only charge the battery during specific hours of the day would be key!
Got an Mpp 7248 max ...
I can set time for output source priority mode by one hour increments ...
I can set time for charging source priority as well
It's 48v batteries . 240v input and output ... 8000 w max solar array ... 2 mppt ... in/off grid hybrid that can't feedback the grid ...
It's really a game changer to be able to set charging times as electricity rate are varying during the day there ( France ) .
Thanks .
Point stand I miss the ability to feedback the grid as it could help the neighborhood in case a failure the grid ...
I know where to disconnect from the higher voltage and would have been able to use the wiring in case a real ... need . At least during the day ...
Safety regulations rules won't ever think nor allows a true being ... before, after ... during ...
Official safety concerns !!!
Thanks
From France with .
Thanks for vid. Have you ever thought of doing a solar pontoon boat?
There isn't an app to access all of the settings? I can't remember the last time I went to my LV6548 and messed with the settings. I just fire up the Watchpower app and make my changes from the app.
I appreciate all of your reviews. I wouldn't want to deal with the set up issues you experienced here which is a shame since the price makes it easier to start building a system where you could expand later (assuming these can be stacked).
Mine was doing the same 04 and 02 codes and shutting down after 20 seconds. I sent it back. It's a shame because it's a great looking unit.
Just a heads up to anyone looking to purchase the sungoldpower hybrid inverter. I purchased mine April 28th of 2023 and it has failed. Getting a hold of sungold is the other problem. I've already ordered a eg4 18k can't wait for it to arrive
I want to build a system to sell back electricity to the texas utilities. Is this the best inverter for that. Just a simple battery backup and sell back system
So far the eco flow all in one is the best one I have seen yet.
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Hi, Will. Thanks for everything you do. I'm a newbie to solar and learned a lot from watching all of your videos, but I have a situation. I was wondering if maybe you could shed some light on for me? I went with a SunGoldPower 8KW 48V Split Phase Solar Inverter, and I have (12) 450w SunGold Panels and (3) 48v Chins batteries because of all the sales and it seemed to be the most bang for my buck. I plan on adding more panels and batteries to my system over time,
But here's my problem, the system has been running great with everything in a single phase. I have it in SBU mode, so it has solar/battery/grid hooked up to inverter. But I recently bought a tesla and added a 240 outlet to charge it, so this is the 1st thing I have running on both phases I knew it wouldn't be enough to charge whole car but I thought it would charge alot of it till I add more but for some reason when I hook car up and I set it to charge at 15a (so that would actually be 30a altogether. 15a per phase). But the amps output on the inverter jumps up to like 70amps and seems to kill my batteries a lot quicker than it should, so I have know clue where extra power is going because it's not to car.
So I was wondering if you might have any ideas on what might be happening or if that is just normal and I need to keep adding batteries, lol
Do a review of the Chargex inverter, and batteries! The inverter is 10KW and 210amp charger!
I got the 8KW model software was not as bad as the one you got, I did have to go through all the settings to get a proper function, unit is quiet and works great for grid-tie
Still good??
Hi Will
Thanks for all your great videos. I'm a marine electrician and I see a lot of DIY boaters mixing lead acid and lithium batteries in the same bank. I strongly don't recommend this dye to the different technologies. Please can you consider doing a video on this as I think these so called "Hybrid" systems are getting more and more popular in the boating community.
Kind regards
Del.
You should have a look at the Deye Inverters. They are really nice and have a lot of insane features.
I want to follow this. Was there a update to the software?
I'm really disappointed I bought this exact unit. I install Sol-Ark 12k, 15k, for clients and wanted to have a smaller full function inverter to offer that was stackable for more power as clients needs grew. Obviously I test at my own expense. I was spoiled using a SGP 12vdc to 120/240 vac 4kv non grid tie for UPS mode. Simple worked 100% of the time. This Blue 6kw grid tie, split phase with 2 mppt 600vdc 7500 total PV input would be a great unit with proper software. As of now not sure what I am going to do. My home & farm still run on 4 Trace SW4024 grid tie inverters from the 1998 era. Old school but still working!
Will I’m thinking that waiting for the fix on the test model may be a good call???
Thx for informative video.
At 1st glance, considering price and capability, I was very interested.
After seeing this vid, The EG4 12K may be the best option.
I doubt these companies even have software engineers.
Most likely, they use the generic software from the component maker.
If you have your equipment anywhere close to where you live or sleep, noise is a major issue.
If you get frustrated easily, a good software menu is worth the money.
It seems like this unit is just not up to par. Not having a factory reset, and shutting down like that tells me that it would be a problem for when there was an actual emergency!
I was excited about your last 2 videos as I am looking for a more cost effective solution for Grid Interactive than Sol-Ark that will also work with a large Nickel Iron Battery I just bought. These 2 units were high on my list of capabilities on paper but if you can't get it to function as it should I am not sure what hope I have. The third option I am looking at is the Schneider Conext XW PRO 6.8KW Hybrid Inverter/Charger | 48V 120/240V. Its a bit pricier and I am not sure if it supports sending power back to the grid. I have my Interconnect Agreement right now with Solaredge but I am trying to figure out the best way to AC Couple another inverter that will allow me to use a 48V 1200aH Nickel Iron Battery. My main goal is to make it through the night with import. I have already cut my electric bill in half my goal is to get it to 0 or as close as I can. Keep up the good work.
I'm using IQ8 microinverters on my panels. Is there an all in one off grid inverter that you can recommend? I'm having a difficult time finding one that accepts PV ac voltage... Thanks in advance.
Will, there is new firmware available for the WP units. 1.31
How mu h current dies it draw at idle?
Is there something similar UL certified?
So I have the same brand 1kw unit that if I have a overload I have to disconnect the battery (we are completely off grid and the inverter has been running for 2 years now with no issues)
Awesome video
So, has sungold got these issues figured out?
I like big dumb inverter chargers 15k 18k like the YIYEN inverters on is on ! 7 or 8 dip switches and it works first try. Big transformers huge surge capacity.
Hi Will,can you please do a video on Sungoldpower 18000W 48V split phase inverter and I would like your input on this lnverter