What is the Sabbath Part 2: Church Fathers • Founded In Truth Ministries
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
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Join us as we look at the oldest Christian documents we have in order to find out what happened to the Sabbath among believers in Jesus/Yeshua and why do we worship on Sundays today.
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Great job,always look forward to learning more from the scriptures! And also Saturday Shabbat service via youtube.God bless you in all your endeavors in teaching the truth from God's word,Shalom.
great Job!!! I have been reading through many of these documents. which has really opened my eyes. I just wish that many from the Hebrew roots movement watch this...
Journey mercies to you in your slow regress out of Judaizing and back to Christianity.
The eight day is the day of first fruits, the last day of Passover when Jesus rose . It represents the first celestial born the new Adam.
In Acts 20:7 he did Miss the point that it was the first day of the week now he pointed out that we tend to assume that means what we would call Sunday morning however it starts on Saturday but it was the first day of the week which is the Lord's Day.
Matt, you missed the key point that anywhere "first day of the week" is mentioned, the Greek is "Mia ton Sabbaton" which can only mean one of the sabbaths. "Ton Sabbaton" is plural, so it would either need to be translated as weekS or sabbathS. "Mia" is "one" not "first".
"First" in the Greek is "protos". "Mia" is never translated to "first".
As Miguel and I discussed below, it would need to say "protos hemera tou sabbatou" if it was meant to say "first day of the week".
So if the translators were honest, mia ton Sabbaton should have been translated as "one of the weeks" or "one of the sabbaths". Only.
Hey Elizabeth, I appreciate your assertion concerning mia and the concluding "ton" indicating a plural status. Though these arguments are discussed on many websites across the web, it seems they do not make it very far into critical scholarship. Prior to this message I was able to discuss the surrounding argument with two Greek students in school concluding a master's program in ancient languages and OT theology.
Both emphasized that "Sabbaton" was a loan word and not of Greek origin. Yes, it could be Sabbath but also means week, respectively. Further, they said that the plural in this instance is not concrete in usage. We see an example in Luke 18:12 where the pharisee claims he fasts twice a week. To assert that he fasted twice on Sabbaths (plural, not possessive) would show the weak breaking point of claiming concrete natures of a loan word.
They both also agree that "day" is frequently not written in Greek texts, but assumed in the phrase. This is suggested for Acts 20:7, Mark 16:9, and even confirmed in Matt 26:17 (first ___ unleavened bread).
Their concluding thoughts essentially came to be that because Sabbaton represented 7 days/week, "mia" represents [day] one of the week(7).
This is further concluded by Marvin Vincent:
1. First day of the week (τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων). The Hebrew idiom, day one of the week. See on Luke 4:31; Acts 20:7.
-Marvin Richardson Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament, vol. 2 (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1887), 291.
Further concurrence being found in Idioms of the Greek NT:
Time or space (locative). The dative case may be used to designate temporal or spatial relations, specifying a particular spot or time (even if it is extended in actual duration) in which something occurs. The spatial dative is very limited in the NT.
Mt. 20.19: τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ ἐγερθήσεται (on the third day he will be raised).
Lk. 24.1: τῇ … μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων (on the … first [day] of the Sabbath), with the use of the temporal genitive as well.
Rom. 16.25: κατὰ ἀποκάλυψιν μυστηρίου χρόνοις αἰωνίοις σεσιγημένου (according to the revelation of the mystery silent for aeons of time).
Rom. 4.12: τοῖς στοιχοῦσιν τοῖς ἴχνεσιν (those who walk in the footsteps), and in stereotyped phrases: Rom. 15.19 with κύκλῳ (circle).
-Stanley E. Porter, Idioms of the Greek New Testament (Sheffield: JSOT, 1999), 99-100.
What really sealed the deal for me was looking into the one of the most important documents we have concerning the New Testament translations; The Aramaic English New Testament translated by Andrew Gabriel Roth. As you know, the Aramaic NT was translated from the Greek a century or two after it was written by the early believers. In both cases of "mia ton Sabbaton" debated below in Miguel's comment, the word Sheva is used - meaning week.
It would seem the early believers had an understanding of "week" in the context when writing the Aramaic translations.
Founded In Truth I've heard the argument before that the days of the week were counted as "first" of the sabbath, "second" of the sabbath, etc., but it doesn't explain why "Heis" or "Mia" were used when "protos" (which was used contemporarily in the writings of the New Testament) was used for first. Why not here? To me its not a solid argument. I'll agree my one major hang up is Mark 16:1-2, and I'm still wrapping my head around it. But to me, it only makes more sense as "one of the sabbaths". It seems it very easily could have been incorrectly translated after Sunday observance became the norm, so basically mistranslated through doctrinal bias.
And the reference for Luke 18:12, the Greek text actually reads "dis tou sabbatou" even if the interlinear uses "Sabbaton". The Greek as written uses sabbatou, the singular form. So we can see that contemporarily, the singular form of sabbath used for week was used. This is why I have such a hard time with that argument... does that make sense?
Thanks for responding btw, I do enjoy your sermons and teachings:) my husband and I have only been on this journey for about a year for me and 6 months for him. But it seems the whole bible makes so much more sense from the Hebrew roots perspective than from the modern churchianity perspective ;)
Absolutely. Amazing what God is doing in the lives of so many. Incredible to watch Him work!
@@FoundedInTruth there this guy that proves that the early church fathers believe in the Trinity by using the church fathers letters the fathers after the Apostle can we proves with outside early documents the Sabbath was kept or just the Bible is good enough?
Watching this again, as I often do with teachings... and I'm just blown away with an understanding that the whole of modern Christianity is fully founded on the misinterpretations of both the Bible and the patristic writings... and it seems that clear and direct statements in the Word are explained away but doctrine is founded on more obscure scriptures instead. And then when those misinterpretations of obscure interpretations seem reinforced by the early church "fathers" (a term which really makes me uncomfortable), the doctrine seems to be solidified. So these writer's teachings are held above the clear teaching of the Word of God. It makes me sad. The church has been so deceived.
How do you know which books belong in the Bible?
The Didache doesn't mention Sunday explicitly, but it mention's The Lord's Day. What do you believe this is referring to?
Could Acts 20:7 be a Passover since in my NLT it says ....to share in the Lords Supper.
Where is your church located
Luke 18:9 spoke to me by the Spirit that the Pharisee represented the Hebrew Roots Believer and the Sinner represented Christianity. That Christianity serves Him through the Love we are told to have and show compared to the self righteouse of the Hebrew Roots Pharisees.
+Rodney Howell Better test that spirit! And do some research into these branches of Hebrew roots: Founded In Truth, El Shaddai Ministries (Tacoma WA, Pastor Mark Biltz)
+Sigal Smadar I agree there are a few that stand in some kind of truth,but still teach falsehood in some way just as christianity does,no one knows the whole truth.