degrading love - part two | how religions distort 'love' [cc]

A two-part exploration of the false 'gift' of 'divine love'.
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Special thanks to: Charles Cannon, George Steele, Randy Bares, Nidge101, grateful learner, Justin Warkentin, Kevin Mills, ReasonOnFaith.org, JODER, Timothy Flanagan, FSM, Daniël Michael Kracht, Isaac [ / isxrecord ], William Kage [ / williamkage ], Robert Majestic, Jared Brandon, Guerino Cento, Jonathan Bowman, Russell McKernan
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subtitles
Bulgarian: Djeitko
Slovak: Peter Ščigulinský
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Vocal credits - several patrons, named and anonymous, rejected the degrading love of unworthy gods, including the following:
Andrew Bernier, CravenTHC, drcooljoe, Guerino Cento, J Lang, Lee rV, Patrick Neary, Peter Ščigulinský, Tim Pieper.
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Chapters:
Part 1:
1 ‘Gigantic, gigantic, gigantic - a big, big love.’
-looking at how false love is invented through arbitrary life events and arbitrary physical sensations - and some of the problems that invention brings.
2 ‘So slow down, slow down. You’re taking me over.’
-exposing the parasitic nature of fake parent gods.
Part 2:
3 ‘And I’d rather give it all up than fall for your love.’
-exploring the slave mentality inherent in 'divine love'.
4 ‘Taste the whip, in love not given lightly. Taste the whip, now bleed for me.’
-reflecting on the glorification of 'sacrifice' as an indication of love.
5 ‘Things get damaged, things get broken.’
-unpacking the practice of shunning.
6 ‘I feel well enough to tell you what you can do with what you’ve got to offer.’
-discussing the process of healing from the degraded parody of 'love' taught by the major world religions.
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Bhat, A.R. (2006) Free Will and Determinism: An Overview of Muslim Scholars’ Perspective. Journal of Islamic Philosophy 2 (1) pp.7-24
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Ayatollah Ali Sistani quote:
www.sistani.org/english/book/4...
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Yusuf Ali quote:
Yusuf Ali, A. (1975) The Glorious Qur’an: Translation and Commentary. eduright4all. p.224
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Gadhimai festival quotes:
www.theguardian.com/world/200...
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Jehovah's Witnesses shunning references:
www.jw.org/en/publications/bo...
‘Will You Heed Jehovah’s Clear Warnings?’ Watchtower, study edition, 15 July 2011: wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/20...
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music © TheraminTrees

[@andrewsurface3895]

Remember kids, Jesus died for nothing if you don't sin.

[@stormthrush37]

"Religions that break up friends and family have nothing to teach me about love." - Quotable.

[@TheZeroNeonix]

It's funny. When I was a believer, I told myself that my religion didn't degrade my self-worth, but elevated it. Because of Jesus' sacrifice, I was made into a son of God, with infinite worth. But now that I'm free of my past delusions, I can see the obvious flaw in that logic. If the entirety of my self-worth depends on what someone else did for me, then there is nothing inherently valuable about myself. Religion programmed me to see myself as a wretched being, utterly broken and deserving of eternal punishment. I was programmed to feel guilty about a man who died thousands of years ago, and was made to believe that my very existence was the cause of Jesus' pain. Christianity doesn't elevate self-worth, it makes believers to believe that they are worthless.

[@WildwoodClaire1]

Have I ever mentioned how comforting I find your voice? It's like a down comforter and cup of hot chocolate on a cold, damp day.

[@doloreslehmann8628]

I actually asked this "How do you find happiness in heaven when you're conscious of loved ones burning in hell" to ha pastor, who really answered: "God will make sure you won't care about that anymore." Thank you very much, but what if I don't want to NOT care about that, because I actually LOVE these people?

[@caribbeanman3379]

I reject this degrading love

[@SuicideNeil]

Everywhere you go, people create god in their own image, as a simple but very effective tool to justify their own beliefs and actions, and force them onto others with promises of great reward and awful punishment for failing to comply. Sounds an awful lot like social engineering and psychological warfare to me...

[@ardon3499]

My mother used to talk about Jeffrey Dahmer, and how he converted to Christianity before his death. She would use this not only as an example of God's boundless forgiveness and love but also to say that no matter what you were in life, all that truly mattered was your faith in Christ. To this day I am discouraged as an Atheist and Buddhist that no matter what kind of man I am, I will always be less than an insane cannibalistic serial killer in the eyes of my family. I am hurt by this and don't know how I can ever really feel at home or loved by my family. The pain is one that cuts deeper than any knife ever could.

[@leviathan6326]

God-sent himself die as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself for the price that he demanded. How does that make sense?

[@phamouswd]

please don't stop with your videos... your aurguements are changing lives

[@Benderrr111]

This channel is the proof of intelligent life on youtube...

[@JS4192]

Was a JW for 27 years and what led me out was my kids leaving and me knowing that I would not shun them or abandon them, that led me to do research about the organization and I found out they were lying about things. Love this channel, it’s taught me about narcissistic relationships and helped me a lot!

[@h34rteyezz86]

I’m glad you also talked about Islam. Most people talk about christianity alone when it comes to abusive religions, but Islam also preaches dangerous mindsets. I love your videos!

[@MyContext]

1) The idea of punishing Adam/Eve for being ignorant, 2) The idea of killing an innocent man, 3) The idea of killing as a requirement to forgive

[@hallwaerd]

“Religions that break up friends and family have nothing to teach me about love” Amazing line. I know lots of people have already commented it, but I just needed to commit that to memory real quick

[@updownleftrightinout]

The "No Give, All Take" and needy demands for submission should be easy to notice, but quite often the social aspect of religion, and early indoctrination, smooth over those warning signs. The awkward "Can you feel it?" is merely evidence of hubris for those who exploit natural tendencies of peer pressure and familial trust. These videos reveal what's at play.

[@larsswig912]

5:53

[@elenna_alexia]

The UA-cam ad algorithm in it's infinite wisdom decided that the appropriate ad to sit beside this video was one for a site that promises to help Muslims find a spouse. I suppose "degrading love" and a religion tag seemed to make the perfect match for that ad and I can't help to agree.

[@ashurean]

I'm nearing what I believe is the final stage of my transition out of Christianity. I still have the occasional doubt, but can generally discredit them with logic and reason from a variety of angles. These kinds of videos help prepare me for what comes next: Living in the world as a confident atheist. I don't need to justify my choices to anyone, but I need to understand my own reasoning so I can offer help to others who might be struggling.

[@stormthrush37]

What was it I saw said in the comments section on another related video?