I noticed that her reaction is different depending on who she kills whether you choose to save Carley or Doug, she doesn’t mean to kill Doug which leaves her in a state of shock and regret where as we see here she feels satisfaction with Carley’s death
It was very brave of Carley for defending Ben but I can’t help wonder how did Carley ever get a job at a news station when she doesn’t know anything about radios or batteries.
depending on her role at the news station, she may legitimately not know! theres roles like PAs (people who work cameras and edit news videos), anchors, master control (people who watch the news feed and have a variety of buttons at their disposal to make things go smoothly), directors, and even sales/customer service roles like answering calls or signing up brands for ad space) super long comment i know, but i figured id drop this info since the variety of roles at news stations may not be well known, and depending on what Carleys job was she may not have had a lot of experience with radios/Batteries.
Yeah. And that's funny how Lilly tells Clementine that Lee did it wrong by helping other people. But she should remember who helped her with her father, who was holding the group together. Without Lee everyone would've just killed each other in the group. Lee was the leader, a king-hearted leader, who cared about his people and wanted the best for them. So if Lee hasn't made the "mistake" she was talking about she would stay at the road and die
Exactly!! Lee even wondered himself if he made the "right" decision by keeping her with the group, but like ANY true decent human beings would do, he couldn't just leave another human being, especially one as complicated as Lily who he sympathized with, for dead on the road. Like Tyreese from The Walking Dead TV Show (I prefer the Comics version though), Lee Everett was a truly good man. One of the FEW good people who despite his mistakes, he didn't betrayed but stayed true to himself and never abanonded his humanity.
@Avonte He likes to think he is, but his decisions only creates more tension. Ben definitely messed things up for everyone, but Kenny's decision was cold and avoidable. Lee's approach was the more rational and less risky.
She’s too unstable and has anger issues. She’s also too pessimistic. It’s better to leave her behind. I’ll admit I felt a little bad when she said she doesn’t have anything left. But that doesn’t excuse her from killing Carly out of nowhere
"out of nowhere"? carly did nothing to help find out who was giving stuff to the bandits, while defending ben, the most obvious suspect. then proceeded to shit on lilly for trying to help. all super suspicious/stupid unless carly's the mole herself. i had a crush on carly, but if i had the option, i would've popped her too! she was dumb and infuriating as fuck during that scene. we just got raided, we all could've got dropped, and you're defending the one person whos weak and disconnected enough to betray us?
I left her behind bc, 1. I liked Carley 2. What if she had another breakdown and shot someone else? 3. I found out she steals the van and I was like "Well, that's not happening." I understand Lee (depending on choice) smashed her dad's head in so she gets traumatized by that, but the dad thought we couldn't take a zombie version of Duck 😐 why in the world would we be able to take a zombie version of huge angry man? 🤨 Plus he was already dead, we just had to make sure we didn't die with him.
Larry was DEAD already, no doubt about it- I found out in those specific scenarios the body system responds automatically by this situation, but it doesn't matter- we knew all along that Larry had suffered before from heart issues, and the more triggered he was, he couldn't stand a chance- he was already dead, Kenny and Lee just had to make sure he won't turn. That's it. Also - in the scenario that he could survive, if right in the very second he would get treated and have medical treatment, it would have been a long period of time to make him be rational and be a help for the group to escape St. Johns farm
Leaving Lilly was the SMART thing to do, even she acknowledges that. Yeah, let's keep an unstable woman who just murdered someone in cold blood. Idiots 😂
I just love when you save Carly and Tell everyone what happened before the apocalypse happened that feels so satisfying when lily is trying to sell Lee out and yet fails because everyone knows
Yeah, after finding out, that even if you side with Lilly 100% of the time, she will still try to throw you under the bus. After knowing that, always side with Kenny no matter what.
@@TrentTheHedgie It one of the big issues of the game, as it basically makes siding with Lilly pointless. Kenny is the optimal path plus he's simple a more likable character as you met him first, he has a complicated let understandable position and goes through two satisfying arcs in the overall series. Lilly on the other hand is very cruel, her father's a jerk and she abandon's you regardless of if you were nice to her or not.
@@unlimitedgamerworks6125I don't think it's an issue of the game itself, more of an issue of Lilly herself as a person, she was an asshole and uncooperative, on an apocalypse or post apocalypse that shit will either get you killed or in serious trouble, and even though it took a while the former happened to Lilly, I think she just acumulated enough bad Karma and sealed her fate
If you think about it, there’s an outcome to let Kenny survive and an option to let Lilly survive. So it’s entirely possible that they could run into each other in the future. I’d love to see that exchange.
@@shadowspector3611 wait what? correct me if i’m wrong but kenny dies every time either by clementine shooting him or him getting eaten after the car crash. were there options before the endings that made kenny leave? how does that affect the endings?
@@chokonnit7337: so there are 4 endings in total. 1. One where Kenny and Clem go to Wellington and Kenny leaves Clem there. In Season 3, Clem’s flashback is Wellington getting raided and Enid getting killed while holding AJ. I think in this one, Clem gets a mark on her forehead. 2. One where Kenny and Clem leave Wellington together. In the season 3 Flashback, Clem crashes the car and Kenny gets eaten. 3. One where Clem shoots Kenny and leaves with Jane. In the season 3 flashback, they talk about the family they let in or didn’t let in (if you let them in, they rob you). Then Jane hangs herself after learning she’s pregnant with Luke’s baby and Clem shoots her. 4. The ending where you shoot Kenny and then leave Jane or the ending where you let Kenny kill Jane and then shoot Kenny. In both cases, Clem splashes guts on herself and AJ before walking into a herd of walkers. The season 3 flashback is her with AJ at a railroad where Clem gets her hand locked in a car door and she loses a finger. There are two endings in season 2 though where Kenny’s fate is undetermined. 1. When you look away and let Kenny kill Jane, you both go to Wellington and Enid tells you there’s not enough room for him. You accept Kenny’s wishes and he goes off on his own. There isn’t anything that suggests Kenny dies after. The only reference to him is the season 3 flashback where you can take Kenny’s hat before fleeing Wellington. 2. This is the ending that almost nobody gets. When Clem finds AJ in the car after Kenny kills Jane, there is a line of dialogue that says “you’re dangerous, Kenny . . .” If you choose this, there will come a choice whether to go off on your own or go with Kenny to Wellington. If you choose to go off on your own, Kenny says “it’s been a blessing to know you, Clementine” before he gives AJ some final words of encouragement as Clem walks off with him. Then the ending is Clem splashing guts on herself and AJ before walking into the herd of walkers. So yes, if you really want Kenny to survive, there are two outcomes where he is never confirmed to die.
Lilly deserves no sympathy whatsoever. I dont care what happened to her father, everybody there had their entire families wiped out besides who was closeby. She killed Carly on an assumption and then stole the RV when they reluctantly let her stay. She was completely screw-loose and self-serving
And it's not like she got any better overtime. Ya know, since later on when we see her again, she's kidnapping CHILDREN of all people as soldiers for a war.
I reckon if Lee had saved both Carley and Doug, Doug would've taken the bullet for Carley at the side of the road and maybe Lee, Omid and Christa would still be around.
@젊음 패배자___97 same. Seriously besides her dad Larry, Lily didn't really interact much with anyone else besides Lee. She definitely had some feelings for him
@@mccloud9915 So.. basically, it doesn't matter if you sided with Lily in the first season. Just sort of good memories about Lee. Yeah, I think I'm still happy sticking with Kenny.
She’ll call lee a good guy and say generally good things about him, but call him dumb if you chose to let Lilly stay, if you killed her dad, she’d call lee heartless and a danger to Clem.
It's been years, and I'm still SO BITTER about Carley, everytime I rewatch the RV scene. Such a waste of character. Oh, they've shocked us with that brilliant idea, for sure!
She kills Carley in cold blood while she kills Doug on accident. Should've had an option to have Ben take one of their places. Like imagine you can find evidence that damns Ben as the one stealing and if you tell Lilly that she kills Ben instead of doug or Carley
Because. Well I don't know. Maybe because she thought that you were close with the person you saved. Or she wanted to be alone. Or she didn't want to bring Clementine because she was safer in a bigger group. Or telltale either didn't or couldn't create this big of a branch from the current story. I don't think Lilly would want to go to the city. That means no parents to find for Clementine. Also no meeting with the stranger. Essentially it was either too much effort, didn't make sense with Lilly's character or the developers didn't have enough time.
@@hsd287 no bc i replayed the game yearsterday and help her dad and choose to leave with her and she still leaves you behind would have been fun to go with her tbh
Actually Clem was just a little girl during the first season she didn't actually have any influence over her then so as to be friends with her later and she kinda hated Lee due to Kenny
I left her… ever since Kenny killed Larry, Lilly’s been slowly but surely losing it. So when she shot Carley for no reason, she officially crossed to line and needed to get tf out of the group before another one of the crew members possibly end up dead by her
if lee drove off with lilly, lee would prob be in s4 but as an antagonist and kenny would’ve taken care of clem, the balcony wouldn’t have broken easily since its 1 person less without lee so ben could survive s1 with kenny, omid, christa, clem
She can swear in seson 1 2 3 and 4 seson 1 she says shit seson 2 she says holy shit seson 3 shes say fuck sheson 4 she says fuck u and a bunch of others
@@5i.260 She was originally supposed to be the same character. Telltale scrapped the plan after "The Road to Woodbury" book was released and gave Lily a different backstory. The original achievement for when Lily leaves the group was "Woodbury bound." and was later changed to "What now?"
Me too, I wish there was a way where your choices in the first season affected her in the 4th, and were able to talk with her and persuade her to work with you or redeem herself or something
I've always really liked Lilly, I can't even explain it and I don't know how to explain it. Maybe just because she's a strong and combative female leader, and that's what I like to see in women, but in my opinion there's something else in her character and personality that I can't explain, but that makes me sympathize with her even after all her actions in season 4 of the game. She looks somehow more realistic and "alive", she is also adapted to survival in the new world of the zombie apocalypse and, among all priorities, always puts the goal of survival at any cost first and does not hide it, while many other heroes fixate too much on moral values from the former world, which has long been He died and will never come back. Anyway, I always supported Lilly in the first season and would have stolen the damn van with her if the creators of the game had really allowed me to, and not just teased me with such a choice lol.
I hate that she killed one of my highest ranking shooters (Carley) but I didn't want to leave her because she would've been of great use to us in a gun fight
Are there any other s1 choices that make a difference with her in s4? Been curious about this for a while as I never played s4 and I’ve wanted to play through the series again recently, but it’s just too specific of a question to easily find answers for it.
Ok here’s a hot take but , I like Lilly . I really kind of wish there was an option for her and clem to work it out. I know everybody’s going to act like I’d be crazy for trusting Lilly but it’s something that I really don’t understand why I mean Kenny did smash her dad’s Head in and Kenny is our dawg but everybody including Clem and AJ have done some terrible things I think there’s a theme did everybody misses I think it’s a theme that goes throughout all of the walking dead comic books, TV show and the game. FORGIVNESS. It’s one of the few things that humanity has left and it’s in the Bible forgiveness is divine.
I feel terrible for Lily her father was brutally killed and she didn't even know about what Ben did which led to Carlys death anyways I hope she became a better person and learnt from her mistakes in later
She never did at all. She did show regret if you let her live but she never actually redeemed herself. I kind of feel bad for her because she's been through a lot and that caused her to be unstable eventually.
Hate to say it but lily was right if anything if a zombie apocalypse happened to day and you have a kid or watching over a kid you’ll probably die protecting them or you’ll fail to save them it’s one or the other and that’s the hard pill to swole
I felt more and more bad for Lilly with every time I saw a playthrough. She's a product of terrible things happening to her It doesn't excuse any of her actions, but it does make you wonder if only a few specific things could have happened differently . . .
Fun fact lilly, Carley was innocent, The Real traitor was Ben, that coward was the one you have to kill, not carley, So you still been the villian of the Story.
Honestly wouldn't mind having a spin-off where Lilly is the playable character after being left behind/stealing the RV. Great character and voice actor.
Unpopular opinion: I liked Lilly in season 1, I think her arc/breakdown was understandable if not despicable. I think her character arc coming full round in the final season is fitting as opposed to her staying MIA and/or going awol.
I just replayed the whole series and played to play s4 and I left her and I had always been curious if she survived and I was shocked when she made an appearance in s4
"Lee shouldve left you behind too, might've lived longer if he did" stfu lilly, couldnt even calm her temper for Carley, she knows nothing but her rage.
Waited 40 hours to put a bullet in her head. Made the mistake of letting her back on the RV even after she shot Clarey. SO GLAD we get a chance to get justice for Lee.
How can Lilly say that Lee should have left Clementine behind? She was only 8 years old!!! 🤦 Lee did the right thing looking after her. Just imagine if that cop didn't crash the car whilst talking to Lee. I would fear the worst for Clementine. Even if she did survive in her treehouse. Sooner or later, she would have nowhere else to go. Let that sink in.
A shame that she became an antagonist... Would have been more fun seeing her switch sides depending on your choices... having a redemption arc kind of.
okay but i have a question does lily ever finds out that it was ben and not carly, bc in season 1 clem was little at the time, and ben told lee that it was him.
I saw a comment saying Lily might've meant to kill Ben but accidentally shot Carly instead. But how she acted towards Carly makes me believe she meant to shoot her.
Man, I know when I’ve gotten into fights with my brothers that have escalated high enough we were about ready to murder one another lol. Especially when they’re dropping truth bombs. Emotions are funny things 😂
I think lily wants to kill ben but because of a little panic she accidentally shot carley... This is just a theorie i saw and i decided to write this so yall can figure this out :)
I don't think so. Lilly was really mad at Carley because of what she said. If you saved Doug and she killed him, Lilly seems to be in shock, when she killed Carley she seems to not regret what she did.
I was still mad at lilly killing carley, even i felt a bit bad fir her being keft behind alkng with her father being gone which i know he was mean such, Just this scene broke me very much here especially when lee got bitten and died with or without arm!
Wait, she means to shoot Carley? In mine, she was aiming for Ben and Doug jumped in front and got hit, is this just a Carley and Doug difference or was it my choices?
Lilly was mad at Carley so she killed her I'm not sure but I think if you saved Doug he doesn't says anything mean to Lilly and she wants to kill Ben. If you saved Carley, Lilly is just really bad at her because Carley said to Lilly something mean. Sorry for my english, I hope you understeand!
Kenny met clem again and the first thing he did was invite her and her group in. Lily met clem again and the first thing she did was encourage her to leave AJ behind. That says all you need to know about lily imo
A lot of aspects of this game has very bad writing like the part where Lilly says Lee wasn’t so helpful or something like that if Lee would’ve never helped all of them in the first place they would’ve been died. They would’ve been stuck where Lee met them they would’ve never found a way out if if wasn’t for Lee and eventually they would’ve gotten attacked by zombies(walkers in the twd terms) and they would’ve turned and eventually die
Am I the only one who loves Lilly? She was incredibly strict because of how she was raised, but she always thought of the group and even gave Clementine hairties for sleeping. I wish Ben hadn’t been tricked by the bandits into stealing their supplies.
I still havent played the final season yea ik i need to but iv been putting it off for soo long. im litraly in the middle of playing the definitive collection and im on season 2 right now so i think this might finaly be the year i play it
I really wish we (as Lee) couldve made a series of timed choices and chosen speech options to get on Lily's A+ team, so when she came back, she wouldnt hate Clem at all (for some reason, which I still dont understand, but its whatever). I've seen playthroughs where people literally take Lily's side in the entire first half of season 1 but they still got shit on by Lily when they played Clem in season 4.
I noticed that her reaction is different depending on who she kills whether you choose to save Carley or Doug, she doesn’t mean to kill Doug which leaves her in a state of shock and regret where as we see here she feels satisfaction with Carley’s death
She was literally hating Carley xD
@@GenuineNarwha37 She just jealous Lee liked Carley and not her lmao.
@@Ash.3s Oh dang. So, that what's this all about it's not about the drugs missing it was a love triangle
@@Ash.3s Yeah Lily loved Lee, espeacily if you choose to help Kenny kill her dad
Doug is better
It was very brave of Carley for defending Ben but I can’t help wonder how did Carley ever get a job at a news station when she doesn’t know anything about radios or batteries.
She probably worked for CNN. None of their journalists know anything about anything.
@@svnsetsomnia8280
Nice joke but CNN doesn’t even exist in the walking dead.
"Your never gonna let me live that down are you?"
depending on her role at the news station, she may legitimately not know! theres roles like PAs (people who work cameras and edit news videos), anchors, master control (people who watch the news feed and have a variety of buttons at their disposal to make things go smoothly), directors, and even sales/customer service roles like answering calls or signing up brands for ad space)
super long comment i know, but i figured id drop this info since the variety of roles at news stations may not be well known, and depending on what Carleys job was she may not have had a lot of experience with radios/Batteries.
i think shes a reporter, not someone who runs things at an actual news station
Yeah. And that's funny how Lilly tells Clementine that Lee did it wrong by helping other people. But she should remember who helped her with her father, who was holding the group together. Without Lee everyone would've just killed each other in the group. Lee was the leader, a king-hearted leader, who cared about his people and wanted the best for them. So if Lee hasn't made the "mistake" she was talking about she would stay at the road and die
Exactly!! Lee even wondered himself if he made the "right" decision by keeping her with the group, but like ANY true decent human beings would do, he couldn't just leave another human being, especially one as complicated as Lily who he sympathized with, for dead on the road. Like Tyreese from The Walking Dead TV Show (I prefer the Comics version though), Lee Everett was a truly good man. One of the FEW good people who despite his mistakes, he didn't betrayed but stayed true to himself and never abanonded his humanity.
@Avonte He likes to think he is, but his decisions only creates more tension. Ben definitely messed things up for everyone, but Kenny's decision was cold and avoidable. Lee's approach was the more rational and less risky.
And bro I feel bad for the people who died through my decisions 💀
Yes, but the point of Lily's philosophy is that if Lee wanted to survive, he would have had to take care of himself.
She's a b*tch that's why I didn't hold back and let AJ shoot her. I just keep remembering Carley's death everytime she's on the screen in S4
I was so butthurt that she killed Carley
Yeah ffs Carley did nothing wronh
Bruh fr I was simping for Carley then lily killed her😔
@@commonname6943 same bro i’m sad now
better death than her episode 1's is, still giving me anxiety for days until now
@Jutsu -Akabene I saved Doug. Only the simps saved carley.
She’s too unstable and has anger issues. She’s also too pessimistic. It’s better to leave her behind. I’ll admit I felt a little bad when she said she doesn’t have anything left. But that doesn’t excuse her from killing Carly out of nowhere
"out of nowhere"? carly did nothing to help find out who was giving stuff to the bandits, while defending ben, the most obvious suspect. then proceeded to shit on lilly for trying to help. all super suspicious/stupid unless carly's the mole herself.
i had a crush on carly, but if i had the option, i would've popped her too! she was dumb and infuriating as fuck during that scene. we just got raided, we all could've got dropped, and you're defending the one person whos weak and disconnected enough to betray us?
This is what i thought of when this happened, i was dumbfounded when she just carley out of nowhere
Don’t forget how she keeps trying to control the group as her own personal dictatorship as Kenny put it just a horrible person with to many issues
I love how lilly was immediately like if Lee's not with Clementine than hes dead. She knew no matter what happened Lee would never abandoned her.
I left her behind bc,
1. I liked Carley
2. What if she had another breakdown and shot someone else?
3. I found out she steals the van and I was like "Well, that's not happening."
I understand Lee (depending on choice) smashed her dad's head in so she gets traumatized by that, but the dad thought we couldn't take a zombie version of Duck 😐 why in the world would we be able to take a zombie version of huge angry man? 🤨 Plus he was already dead, we just had to make sure we didn't die with him.
he wasnt dead bruh
@@nitrosozeus yeah I swear Right before kenny drops the Brick i saw his mouth move plus lilly was listening to Pulse
@@nitrosozeus let's be real if he had a heart attack he was not live through that with some heart compressions if he needed meds in the first episode
Larry was DEAD already, no doubt about it- I found out in those specific scenarios the body system responds automatically by this situation, but it doesn't matter- we knew all along that Larry had suffered before from heart issues, and the more triggered he was, he couldn't stand a chance- he was already dead, Kenny and Lee just had to make sure he won't turn. That's it.
Also - in the scenario that he could survive, if right in the very second he would get treated and have medical treatment, it would have been a long period of time to make him be rational and be a help for the group to escape St. Johns farm
@@ashvsthestupiddead.7436 the mouth moving was likely him reanimating
I left her behind. She is too unpredictable.
She then appeared in S4 to kill clem
@@Cqceditz wait what?
@@Cqceditz if you lefted her behind she would show up and kill Clem
@@wxfk yep
@@wxfk thats not true, clem survives always.
Leaving Lilly was the SMART thing to do, even she acknowledges that. Yeah, let's keep an unstable woman who just murdered someone in cold blood. Idiots 😂
Tyler Durden I’m guessing by doing this she might actually save Clem’s life in the final episodes
Tyler Durden I kept her just to see what happened
@@jjnomad3220 i wanted Lee to be with her... Her personality it's... Kind of hot u know
Most of players left her behind. ig....
Tyler Durden yea i left her cause she’s crazy
Lily really does carry Larry's irritating blood in her all right.
I'm hoping she didn't have a kid or more back in her camp, otherwise, Clem and AJ might have to deal with more irritability
I’m sorry this is uncalled for but when lee pushed her up against the rv and said, “drop it.” I was like 😳😳
LMFAO
Bruh
Me too😶
no cus he was so fine in this scene 😂
LMFAOOAAOAOAO
“You’re not coming with us”
“I’ll die out here!”
“I don’t care.”
I just love when you save Carly and Tell everyone what happened before the apocalypse happened that feels so satisfying when lily is trying to sell Lee out and yet fails because everyone knows
Yeah, after finding out, that even if you side with Lilly 100% of the time, she will still try to throw you under the bus. After knowing that, always side with Kenny no matter what.
@@TrentTheHedgie It one of the big issues of the game, as it basically makes siding with Lilly pointless. Kenny is the optimal path plus he's simple a more likable character as you met him first, he has a complicated let understandable position and goes through two satisfying arcs in the overall series. Lilly on the other hand is very cruel, her father's a jerk and she abandon's you regardless of if you were nice to her or not.
@@unlimitedgamerworks6125I don't think it's an issue of the game itself, more of an issue of Lilly herself as a person, she was an asshole and uncooperative, on an apocalypse or post apocalypse that shit will either get you killed or in serious trouble, and even though it took a while the former happened to Lilly, I think she just acumulated enough bad Karma and sealed her fate
It’s been a year and I still get flustered about Lee saying “drop it”😩😩😩
Baby.. it’s been 10 YEARS and I still get flustered when Lee said that.
Have you tried therapy?
I don’t get it
@@svnsetsomnia8280 you know how babies are made? it's something like that
@@ASCO0 ohhh so it’s like “drop your pants” LMAO
I think Lilly was just jealous of Carly. I don't think it had nothing to do with her dad. She hated her before her dad died.
If you think about it, there’s an outcome to let Kenny survive and an option to let Lilly survive. So it’s entirely possible that they could run into each other in the future. I’d love to see that exchange.
Kenny can't survive
@@kargo2662: he can if you leave him at Wellington or call him dangerous at the convenience store.
@@shadowspector3611 wait what? correct me if i’m wrong but kenny dies every time either by clementine shooting him or him getting eaten after the car crash.
were there options before the endings that made kenny leave? how does that affect the endings?
@@chokonnit7337: so there are 4 endings in total.
1. One where Kenny and Clem go to Wellington and Kenny leaves Clem there. In Season 3, Clem’s flashback is Wellington getting raided and Enid getting killed while holding AJ. I think in this one, Clem gets a mark on her forehead.
2. One where Kenny and Clem leave Wellington together. In the season 3 Flashback, Clem crashes the car and Kenny gets eaten.
3. One where Clem shoots Kenny and leaves with Jane. In the season 3 flashback, they talk about the family they let in or didn’t let in (if you let them in, they rob you). Then Jane hangs herself after learning she’s pregnant with Luke’s baby and Clem shoots her.
4. The ending where you shoot Kenny and then leave Jane or the ending where you let Kenny kill Jane and then shoot Kenny. In both cases, Clem splashes guts on herself and AJ before walking into a herd of walkers. The season 3 flashback is her with AJ at a railroad where Clem gets her hand locked in a car door and she loses a finger.
There are two endings in season 2 though where Kenny’s fate is undetermined.
1. When you look away and let Kenny kill Jane, you both go to Wellington and Enid tells you there’s not enough room for him. You accept Kenny’s wishes and he goes off on his own. There isn’t anything that suggests Kenny dies after. The only reference to him is the season 3 flashback where you can take Kenny’s hat before fleeing Wellington.
2. This is the ending that almost nobody gets. When Clem finds AJ in the car after Kenny kills Jane, there is a line of dialogue that says “you’re dangerous, Kenny . . .” If you choose this, there will come a choice whether to go off on your own or go with Kenny to Wellington. If you choose to go off on your own, Kenny says “it’s been a blessing to know you, Clementine” before he gives AJ some final words of encouragement as Clem walks off with him. Then the ending is Clem splashing guts on herself and AJ before walking into the herd of walkers.
So yes, if you really want Kenny to survive, there are two outcomes where he is never confirmed to die.
@@shadowspector3611 ah thank you
This is how Lilly reacted seeing clementine again. And then you have Kenny.
Lilly deserves no sympathy whatsoever. I dont care what happened to her father, everybody there had their entire families wiped out besides who was closeby. She killed Carly on an assumption and then stole the RV when they reluctantly let her stay. She was completely screw-loose and self-serving
And it's not like she got any better overtime. Ya know, since later on when we see her again, she's kidnapping CHILDREN of all people as soldiers for a war.
I reckon if Lee had saved both Carley and Doug, Doug would've taken the bullet for Carley at the side of the road and maybe Lee, Omid and Christa would still be around.
So basically lily shot lee's girlfriend
@젊음 패배자___97 i'm too
@젊음 패배자___97 same. Seriously besides her dad Larry, Lily didn't really interact much with anyone else besides Lee. She definitely had some feelings for him
@젊음 패배자___97 not at all. You’re just a crazy person that doesn’t know how character development works
She wasnt his girlfriend yet but could have been
@젊음 패배자___97 Lily and Lee were too serious for each other also Kenny kept coming in between them all the time
I left lily the second the pop up appeared, Lee was JUST about to get some 😭
I’m but hurt rn on the pause screen 💀
@@Thor-0-0if you choose Doug then he can still get some😈😈
@@Glenn_Quagmirenahhh dawg
@@Glenn_Quagmirelmao
Does anybody know how the dialogue is affected in season 4 with Lilly, if Lee helped Kenny kill her dad?
No I'm pretty sure that doesn't affect it it only affects the relationship between Lilly and Lee
@@mccloud9915 So.. basically, it doesn't matter if you sided with Lily in the first season. Just sort of good memories about Lee.
Yeah, I think I'm still happy sticking with Kenny.
She’ll call lee a good guy and say generally good things about him, but call him dumb if you chose to let Lilly stay, if you killed her dad, she’d call lee heartless and a danger to Clem.
Ya its ashame that lilly remembers lee but doesn't remember the day kenny killed her dad
@@JeyVGaming I stuck with Kenny. I preferred him more.
It's been years, and I'm still SO BITTER about Carley, everytime I rewatch the RV scene. Such a waste of character.
Oh, they've shocked us with that brilliant idea, for sure!
She kills Carley in cold blood while she kills Doug on accident. Should've had an option to have Ben take one of their places. Like imagine you can find evidence that damns Ben as the one stealing and if you tell Lilly that she kills Ben instead of doug or Carley
Fuck, why when you agree to steal a RV with Lilly, she just leaves without us!
Because. Well I don't know. Maybe because she thought that you were close with the person you saved. Or she wanted to be alone. Or she didn't want to bring Clementine because she was safer in a bigger group. Or telltale either didn't or couldn't create this big of a branch from the current story. I don't think Lilly would want to go to the city. That means no parents to find for Clementine. Also no meeting with the stranger. Essentially it was either too much effort, didn't make sense with Lilly's character or the developers didn't have enough time.
@@drlukas4242 the reason was so close. thanks a lot. you're right!
Ya coz she doesn't trust Lee especially after what happened to Larry
@@hsd287 no bc i replayed the game yearsterday and help her dad and choose to leave with her and she still leaves you behind would have been fun to go with her tbh
I hope by being nice to her in season 1 will make her save Clem and AJ in the final episodes I don’t want to kill lilly
It does not affect unfortunately that would put too much effort to the game makers.
Bro lilly is the main antagonist in the last season she literally tries to kill clem.
Why would they do that? Lily is literally a nut job. I’d even pick Jane over her
Actually Clem was just a little girl during the first season she didn't actually have any influence over her then so as to be friends with her later and she kinda hated Lee due to Kenny
@@hsd287 not if you try to save Larry
it really sucks that in the end, the choices doesn't matter
It’s just like in real life. No matter the choices you make. It doesnt always work out the way you want it to
@@GlazerX re read my comment closely
@@HikenOmaru Oh my goodness. I misunderstood. So sorry for my comment.
@@GlazerX no worries we all misread or misunderstand. It happens
@@HikenOmaruOmg your point was immediately proven lol
I left her… ever since Kenny killed Larry, Lilly’s been slowly but surely losing it. So when she shot Carley for no reason, she officially crossed to line and needed to get tf out of the group before another one of the crew members possibly end up dead by her
bro the way how lee said "DROP IT" scares the living crap out of me
So Lilly's a villian both ways. That's crazy
I had tears when she killed carley lmao and left her behind
So it's impossible to save Carley? Bro I got do sad
Same
@@TheCouto11 yea. I tried all ways, its impossible
Same
"i though you DIE"
L I L L Y W I L L R E M E M B E R T H A T
Leaving lily behind is how lee already won lily was a snake to began with
She was paranoid. Lee just let her play leader.
What if lee joins lily on the rv?
Nothing.She said "go bring Clementine",and when he went outside the rv, Lilly drove away.
@@tanik_dranik but why?
@@channel45853 bc she didin't believe lee maybe she tought that he was gonna alert the group she was loose from her restraints
if lee drove off with lilly, lee would prob be in s4 but as an antagonist and kenny would’ve taken care of clem, the balcony wouldn’t have broken easily since its 1 person less without lee so ben could survive s1 with kenny, omid, christa, clem
No lee's fate to die he can't dodge that he will just die no matter what even if he travelled to the moon he will meet his fate
clementine can swear in s4? damn
She can swear in seson 1 2 3 and 4 seson 1 she says shit seson 2 she says holy shit seson 3 shes say fuck sheson 4 she says fuck u and a bunch of others
@@Travisowski I feel that's just an option Clem is still only 11 on season 2 so she mostly wouldn't swear then
She swore since at a young age
Yeah and you can teach AJ to swear lmao
Fun Fact: Lily is the soldier lady that killed Lori Grimes and The Governor in The Comics.
No, they're different characters
@@5i.260 She was originally supposed to be the same character. Telltale scrapped the plan after "The Road to Woodbury" book was released and gave Lily a different backstory. The original achievement for when Lily leaves the group was "Woodbury bound." and was later changed to "What now?"
@@leatheryfoot6354 yes, she was originally supposed to be Lilly Caul, but it didn't happen. So your comment doesn't make sense
@@5i.260 Fun Fact: Lily was supposed to be the solder lady who killed Lori and The Governor in The Comics.
@@leatheryfoot6354 bb kid
I was 15 when I played this, but only now I realised that kenny's voice acting was so funny somethimes, "jesus christ"
"shit bird"
I left her behind because
1. I liked Carly, you don’t hurt her and get away with it
2. You can’t just cap one of our own in the head and stay
Lily is the master at deception I fell for it in s1 and s4 (RIP Carly or Doug and James
4:30 says the one who had feelings for lee
I don't think Lily had feelings for Lee
I’m on season 1 episode 4, I just left Lilly there because I hated her when she killed Carley
Dude said “keep duck away from the windows”😂😂😂 he bout dead
Welp I guess I’m the only who saved Doug
I saved him
Doug gang👊
Strange coming from you, giggity.
Yes
@@xman6879 no
Lilly from season 1 was one of the best characters, it's a pity the developers ruined her in season 4
Me too, I wish there was a way where your choices in the first season affected her in the 4th, and were able to talk with her and persuade her to work with you or redeem herself or something
Ruined?
@@meebee2942 Lee is not Clementine she'd have no reason to want to turn a new leaf just cause clem is there
No one in their right mind would let Lilly stay after what she did
Guess some people like to use their left mind a bit more
From what i’m seeing in the comments literally no one saved Doug in their gameplay lmao. I feel like i’m the only one. 😔✌️
In my OG playthrough I let Doug live. I don’t remember why, but it’s probably because she knew too much.
I DID IIIIT back then. I liked him a lot. In my first playthrough ever.
THE WAY HE SAYS DROP IT LORD HELQP ME
Anyone knows what happens if you accept stealing the RV with her?
She will prank you by saying go & bring Clementine, & then when lee steps out of RV to bring Clementine, lily will leave
@@187karanveersinghjayas4 That's not exactly a prank lmao
@@catchall2874 Lily yells out the window "ITS JUST A PRANK, BRO!"
I don't really think Lee would do that she would mostly just go off on her own
I've always really liked Lilly, I can't even explain it and I don't know how to explain it. Maybe just because she's a strong and combative female leader, and that's what I like to see in women, but in my opinion there's something else in her character and personality that I can't explain, but that makes me sympathize with her even after all her actions in season 4 of the game. She looks somehow more realistic and "alive", she is also adapted to survival in the new world of the zombie apocalypse and, among all priorities, always puts the goal of survival at any cost first and does not hide it, while many other heroes fixate too much on moral values from the former world, which has long been He died and will never come back. Anyway, I always supported Lilly in the first season and would have stolen the damn van with her if the creators of the game had really allowed me to, and not just teased me with such a choice lol.
Fck, the tables been flipped
Well I have no regrets if I were to leave Lilly behind back in S1
If you picked Doug you could have almost stoped it by blaming Ben but then he steps in the way and dies
I hate that she killed one of my highest ranking shooters (Carley) but I didn't want to leave her because she would've been of great use to us in a gun fight
Are there any other s1 choices that make a difference with her in s4?
Been curious about this for a while as I never played s4 and I’ve wanted to play through the series again recently, but it’s just too specific of a question to easily find answers for it.
She stays a bi*** but her memory of Lee is actually slightly better if you leave her
Ok here’s a hot take but , I like Lilly . I really kind of wish there was an option for her and clem to work it out. I know everybody’s going to act like I’d be crazy for trusting Lilly but it’s something that I really don’t understand why I mean Kenny did smash her dad’s Head in and Kenny is our dawg but everybody including Clem and AJ have done some terrible things I think there’s a theme did everybody misses I think it’s a theme that goes throughout all of the walking dead comic books, TV show and the game. FORGIVNESS. It’s one of the few things that humanity has left and it’s in the Bible forgiveness is divine.
I feel terrible for Lily her father was brutally killed and she didn't even know about what Ben did which led to Carlys death anyways I hope she became a better person and learnt from her mistakes in later
no
Ummm clearly she didnt...
aged like milk
@@cjvaye99 Joke went over your head.
She never did at all. She did show regret if you let her live but she never actually redeemed herself. I kind of feel bad for her because she's been through a lot and that caused her to be unstable eventually.
Hate to say it but lily was right if anything if a zombie apocalypse happened to day and you have a kid or watching over a kid you’ll probably die protecting them or you’ll fail to save them it’s one or the other and that’s the hard pill to swole
ye right
And yet...she's "recruiting" children in her army.
I felt more and more bad for Lilly with every time I saw a playthrough. She's a product of terrible things happening to her
It doesn't excuse any of her actions, but it does make you wonder if only a few specific things could have happened differently . . .
Fun fact lilly, Carley was innocent, The Real traitor was Ben, that coward was the one you have to kill, not carley, So you still been the villian of the Story.
Honestly wouldn't mind having a spin-off where Lilly is the playable character after being left behind/stealing the RV. Great character and voice actor.
Still a thrill to watch after all these years
Lee was sooooo close to getting tail from Carley.
Unpopular opinion: I liked Lilly in season 1, I think her arc/breakdown was understandable if not despicable. I think her character arc coming full round in the final season is fitting as opposed to her staying MIA and/or going awol.
I just replayed the whole series and played to play s4 and I left her and I had always been curious if she survived and I was shocked when she made an appearance in s4
The music in the dialogue between Lily and Clementine is so beautiful
I love the music in that game
Thing is what goes around comes around, she got shot in the face same way she shot Carley.
Carley was definitely up there with the other characters who the majority of people didn’t want to die
so many people save carely even I did that because she have gun and saved Lee and justice for Lee past and more she tried best until lily shot her
"Lee shouldve left you behind too, might've lived longer if he did" stfu lilly, couldnt even calm her temper for Carley, she knows nothing but her rage.
Waited 40 hours to put a bullet in her head. Made the mistake of letting her back on the RV even after she shot Clarey. SO GLAD we get a chance to get justice for Lee.
So I guess I'm the only one who saved Doug instead of Carley
There is a posetive point with Carley
At no. 3 episode lee get a kiss on his chick from her
How can Lilly say that Lee should have left Clementine behind? She was only 8 years old!!! 🤦 Lee did the right thing looking after her. Just imagine if that cop didn't crash the car whilst talking to Lee. I would fear the worst for Clementine. Even if she did survive in her treehouse. Sooner or later, she would have nowhere else to go. Let that sink in.
I was a merciful to her, but in season 4 she betray Clem and I am realized that she was a monster from the very beginning
Not gonna lie lily doesn't sound the same as she was before. Like damn can not believe how I'm getting old and now she changed.
Doug dies a hero
Carley dies a savage
Lilly Left In Season 1, Lilly Return In Season 4
I’m low key pissed. It didn’t let me choose and Carly died
This best cut way show story xD
They didn't have to do Lee like that killing him like that
A shame that she became an antagonist... Would have been more fun seeing her switch sides depending on your choices... having a redemption arc kind of.
I actually thought that if I saved Carley she would help Doug by shooting at the walkers. Imagine my surprise when Doug got eaten 😅
okay but i have a question does lily ever finds out that it was ben and not carly, bc in season 1 clem was little at the time, and ben told lee that it was him.
I let Lilly stay for see her in the flashback in season 2
0:35 when I played this part my jaw dropped
I still don't understand why tf she shot Karlee because she cused her out. Weakest reason to kill someone ever
And then made excuses calling lee and kenny murderers as if their motifs werent the most petty, jealous, paranoid reasons
I saw a comment saying Lily might've meant to kill Ben but accidentally shot Carly instead. But how she acted towards Carly makes me believe she meant to shoot her.
Man, I know when I’ve gotten into fights with my brothers that have escalated high enough we were about ready to murder one another lol. Especially when they’re dropping truth bombs.
Emotions are funny things 😂
I think lily wants to kill ben but because of a little panic she accidentally shot carley...
This is just a theorie i saw and i decided to write this so yall can figure this out :)
I don't think so. Lilly was really mad at Carley because of what she said. If you saved Doug and she killed him, Lilly seems to be in shock, when she killed Carley she seems to not regret what she did.
I was still mad at lilly killing carley, even i felt a bit bad fir her being keft behind alkng with her father being gone which i know he was mean such,
Just this scene broke me very much here especially when lee got bitten and died with or without arm!
0:42 I see, where Lee has put his right arm on. One woman died, at least the other one left.
Wait, she means to shoot Carley? In mine, she was aiming for Ben and Doug jumped in front and got hit, is this just a Carley and Doug difference or was it my choices?
Lilly was mad at Carley so she killed her
I'm not sure but I think if you saved Doug he doesn't says anything mean to Lilly and she wants to kill Ben. If you saved Carley, Lilly is just really bad at her because Carley said to Lilly something mean. Sorry for my english, I hope you understeand!
Lilly is really MAD at her* sorry
"Ah Lilly....still the mouthy mutt I see"
The way Lee says "Drop it"....
Nice to see she didn't change a bit even after saving her 😐 she's a psychopath
3:34 wtf its kratos voice
Kenny met clem again and the first thing he did was invite her and her group in.
Lily met clem again and the first thing she did was encourage her to leave AJ behind.
That says all you need to know about lily imo
A lot of aspects of this game has very bad writing like the part where Lilly says Lee wasn’t so helpful or something like that if Lee would’ve never helped all of them in the first place they would’ve been died. They would’ve been stuck where Lee met them they would’ve never found a way out if if wasn’t for Lee and eventually they would’ve gotten attacked by zombies(walkers in the twd terms) and they would’ve turned and eventually die
Am I the only one who loves Lilly? She was incredibly strict because of how she was raised, but she always thought of the group and even gave Clementine hairties for sleeping. I wish Ben hadn’t been tricked by the bandits into stealing their supplies.
I left her behind on my first play through, its nice to know it was the right choice after watching this.
So who was i suppose to trust with the RV after realizing we'd be ditching it afterwords
The lost murder lady or a randomly possible bandit?
"Now what the fucks the problem"
Fucking gunshot 😭😭
I still havent played the final season yea ik i need to but iv been putting it off for soo long.
im litraly in the middle of playing the definitive collection and im on season 2 right now so i think this might finaly be the year i play it
Did anyone else save Doug like I did?💀😂
Thanks buddy, this helps a lot !
I really wish we (as Lee) couldve made a series of timed choices and chosen speech options to get on Lily's A+ team, so when she came back, she wouldnt hate Clem at all (for some reason, which I still dont understand, but its whatever). I've seen playthroughs where people literally take Lily's side in the entire first half of season 1 but they still got shit on by Lily when they played Clem in season 4.