Do Dual CPU Sockets Matter in 2018?
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Yes, you need two. One as a backup for when you drop the first one.
What's really funny is he did end up dropping one of these like a year after this video damaging some of the memory channels. It still works except like 2 mem channels.
Linus is typing....
If you drop the first one , xD I can't stop laughing
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0:25 56 CORES IN 1 SYSTEM!?
2019 - 64 CORES IN 1 CPU!?
2023 - 64 cores in your laptop
Nathan Hamman mid 2023 128 cores in a potato
2020 128 cores in one system
More like 2030
@@danielkaiser8343 bruh Amphere got 80 core in 2020
I just realized that one of these 28 Core Xeons costs more (10000€) than two of the highest tier Epyc 32 Core processors plus a dual socket motherboard(9300€), wow these surely give great margins for Intel.
Der Bewohner When something is the best, even by such a small amount that it makes practically no difference, companies can afford to overcharge greatly because people will still buy it.
they aren't the best anymore though, but they are the most expensive
Jesper Andersen Xeon Plats are the fastest CPUs out there now (if I remember right Platinums broke Cinebench R15 and made it obsolete). But they are also absurdly priced. The 24C for $5K.....
xZiddel If your an enterprise buyer planing to build servers for a company data center. Where costs and power efficiency is a big issue. Why pay more for the best Intel 28 cores when the AMD 32 cores can deliver the same equivalent level of performance?
Chris Bautista if I remember right 28 Xeon Platinums are faster than 32C EPYCs. For 2 vs 2 CPU scenario the 8180 combo has a R15 score of 8.3K cb while 64C EPYC is under 7K cb. But that isn't the whole story of the price though, server CPUs are different from desktop. If I remember right intel Platinums are meant to run on alternative software instead of the very expensive yearly server software. Server software, like LS-Dyna costs like $6,000 per year to use...and a company spends tens of thousands of dollars yearly for that type of software even for old processor like Opterons and 5 year old Xeons...this CPU can actually save you money.
2018 Intel - 28 cores!
2019 AMD - Hold my infinity fabric...
But I'll never use AMD for virtualization....
Intel 2018: 56 cores in one system
AMD 2019: Hold my beer
Nvidia: Hold my beer instead!
Sauvik Roy nvidia makes cpus?
@@chrisding1976 What is but a GPU, array of tiny CPUs!
@@SauvikRoy you're technically correct
@@uzernaim1648 That's the best kind of correct.
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Don't mind doing this myself, as I pay for floatplane :P
1:40
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one
Woah, a 28 core Xeon, Linus?!?
But is it 5GHz?
Lazy Yes, if you refrigerated it
badSyntax your name haunts me
Only in Intel's press releases
er I mean imagination.
XXXDEADTACION your name haunts me
to soon
You got something mixed up. Core i9 are basically Xeons without ECC.
Just like your ass is basically the playground for a gay club. :D
Red Phoenix ur mother is the playground of crabs boi
And that is why I am getting Threadripper. In the event I end up needing ECC, I don't have to make a new build for that.
Everything industrial is expensive. Companies need it, so they have to pay it. It's just how the world works.
MazeFrame why does the average consumer even need ecc?
One good reason to go with dual cpu, longevity. Almost 4 years ago I built my current workstation (2400$) and it is still more capable than any current single cpu computer I have used, especially when it comes to multi tasking. I can be rendering in Maya while I am creating a Camtasia video critique in Photoshop and nothing slows down. Every few years, upgrade the graphics card and compute away.
I love how their merch store pops up when Linus says "cashe" lol
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Cash
Dual-socket CPUs are great because you'll find them on eBay in 3-6 years and save hundreds of dollars on the same number of threads compared to new, consumer-grade parts.
Indeed. I got myself a pair of 2680 v2s for 550 CAD last October, threw them into a z620, and could not be happier. Saving over a thousand dollars compared a similarly performing TR 1920x system.The single threaded performance (compared to a 5930k) leaves some to be desired but the performance in Zbrush and Maya has been great so far.
E5 1650v2 here @4.2 GHz, a beast at ~130$ US for the CPU and 150$ US for a quad channel ECC supporting motherboard. Performs well in all kinds of games for a fraction of the price for new CPUs. But shhhss don't spread the word too much or prices will rise :D
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You are correct 3 years later
So glad you didn't pull your pants down again.
You mean you are DEVASTATED ?
Lol
Wait, he did that? Why?
Mike Jameson Pants sponsorship.
*disappointed
I have dual Xeons in my computer I pieced together for around $400. Dual X5650 cpus with 6 cores/12 threads each gets me to over 1300 in Cinebench without an overclock. These cpus were only $16 each on ebay! Made in 2011 but it holds up pretty damn good in 2018.
I've got a couple L5640s. Basically a slightly lower frequency version of the X5650, similar price and uses less power. I love the old server hardware you can get second-hand.
Same here, on a Dell Precision 690 that was a scrap item from a local tech company. Plays all major titles full quality (Crysis included) at 1080p@60fps. Love this beast, wish i knew more about upgrading the CPU & ram.
im rocking a precision M6700 that i picked up for 300 bucks last week. 32gb of ram, i7 3940mx overclocked to 4.1 ghz, and a k5100m. Smokes most modern "gaming" laptops and has better build quality.
ben russ While I'm glad that you got such a great machine for a low cost, you truly don't know much about modern gaming laptops. They've had full, desktop grade GPUs ever since the release of Pascal. This makes them more potent then most Maxwell based gaming *desktops.*
While they DID remove the "m" from the name of the 1000 series mobile GPUs, and even used the same core in SOME cases, do not mistake a mobile 1000 for a desktop 1000 series. They are still under-clocked, and under-performing when compared to their desktop brothers and that is BEFORE you run into thermal throttling issues with the laptop(s) and unless you get a behemoth you WILL have thermal throttling with the 1070 and 1080 (mobile versions) My comment regarding the fact that my laptop will smoke most modern "gaming" laptops was supposed to emphasize the quotes. I know that Pascal was a HUGE improvement for mobile gaming, but most so called "gaming" laptops will have a 1050 AT BEST.
Hey Linus and crew. So I watched some older videos, like where you watercooled all your work stations at the old place, and you had an issue with sediment and cleaning. So, we figured a way to clean our watercooling systems with ease, and it's safe to ANY plastic (including pvc), rubber and metal fittings. What inspired me is I own a bar, and we always had tap cleaners to come clean our lines. And the kid who did it said he cleaned his pc with the same solvent as they use for cleaning the tap lines. So, I invested in a tap cleaning system. All you have to do is manually clean the fittings with the solvent, and take off any pumps so the solvent can be circulated with the pump the cleaning system comes with. The solvent can burn hands but is safe for the plastic. The stuff I use is blue. The blue stuff is the best. Might wanna check it out if you see this, it works awesome and gets rid of all hard water stains, sediment build up and is safe on all blocks, lines and fittings.
Some additional points to consider: Enterprise server systems that will be running scalable Xeons cannot be bought with single socket main boards. Also, populating just one of the 2 sockets means limiting your system to half of its PCIe bus “space”, as well as limiting it to half the system’s maximum RAM capacity.
This was a good start for server topic. I'd love love love to see more videos regarding servers. I professionally work with them and Im really interested in enterprise news and new enterprise tech or technology. It's probably a smaller group of people than mainstream notebooks though.. But still I'd love to see more of servers
"Keeping the variables to a minimum"
Excluding the fact that one has a bit more RAM than the other.. 😂
32 GB vs 192 GB
And totally ignoring the huge clock speed of the i9 over the platinum 8180. Right? It’s tit for tat. But. Personally. If they’d compared dual xeon gold 6154 CPUs with the i9, I think the story would be a bit closer to realistic.
Naaah, everyone knows that clockspeed doesn't matter... right?
But yeah, they probably should have at least lowered the clocks of the i9 or something along those lines
TinkerTavern check out the specs of the Gold 6154 CPUs. They’re glorious. A perfect middle ground. And all those PCI-e lanes… That’s what I miss about dual Xeon workstations. Ate up adobe suites, all the layering, importing and exporting. Compared to my i7-8700k w/64gb ram and a Titan Xp, honestly, there seems to be no real difference in performance over my old dual hex core Xeon system with 48gb ram, running at 2.93Ghz.. even back when I got my first dual core Pentium 4 back in the early 2000’s. I had a quad P3 server running 4 933mhz slot 1 type CPUs I think it was, and even then, the old quad rig demolished the brand new p4.
I think 32gb is enough for a blender scene
Ander Losa Maybe so, but it's not exactly impossible to remove the extra RAM in the other one, so they both have 32GB
And if it's going to cause variables from the number of channels, just use 2*16 or 4*8 for both, so they're in dual or quad channel
Does Austin Evans matter in 2018?
Oh wait... Wrong channel
Don't get it.
???
I still like Austin Evans as much as other tech youtubers.
Hey guys!!!!😍 this is Austin......🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Which canal?
gatta admit most of what you talked about went right over my head but that 6:58 "look closelier" phrase brought it right back down to my level.
The question everyone is wondering... "Did Linus drop it?"
yes, yes he did, he dropped an 8180 and broke 2 of the memory channels
yes.
The real question is. ......
This comment was from a year ago..
But then two random dudes was replying to this recently
super joechew because youtube recommended it, this was the top comment and we replied to it
@@sjoec3329 don't mind me,just reminding OP of this comment
You should do an 8 gamers 1 cpu on the 32 core threadripper some day, or if that doesnt work. A 4 gamers 1 cpu
Waiting for the 2990x to come by and destroy this kind of stuff.
Or the current Epyc generation.
Matthewv1998 EPYC already destroys Xeons
@ElZamo92 The IO on Epyc is serious business!
AMD got its groove back and is countering Intel with "lol more cores".
ecks dee the waiting meme. i'll wait until 2999 when the 9999999999k will come out, it'll be so much better than a 8700k
Is the tatoo new?
Yes, the other one can't be seen.
Yes
Trampstamp.
Is it a real tattoo?
I was wondering the same thing. A little garden snake, kinda cute?
"Because I love high-end, super expensive tech tools"
He finally admitted to reviewing expensive crap just because he can
Good one sir
You dont need to admit shit thats obvious
I find that the architecture about of this is actually very fascinating. Looking forward to other dives into stuff like this.
Can we see some amd epyc chips. I feel the xeon videos have been beaten to death
This is Linus we're talking about. Epyc will never come within a mile of his offices.
Remember, he fangirled all over Intel's "5GHz 28 core processor!!!" at Computex.
Yes he appreciates stability so therefore No AMD.
Rasmus Rasmussen are you an Intel reply bot? What a random thing to say.
Chris H No it's not random It's actually what he said and The Reason Why he doesn't Ryzen and AMD chips in general
Noobish epyc is brand new and we already have a UA-cam commenter that's an expert on them and how intel is just sooooo much better.
The thumbnail should have been each eye looking at a different cpu
So this is the 2.5ghz CPU that Intel plans to sell as 5ghz product at the end of the year. Huh..
Does it come with LN cooler?
Linus Nitrogen Tips
You see the tiny, tiny fans blowing over both of the 2.5Ghz chips there? Yeah. That shit normally sits inside a 1U rack case, in a server rack full of them! They got to clock them low otherwise your datacenter would melt down.
In a desktop case you can have a giant, 120MM cooler or even a water cooling block, so you can clock the desktop chips much, much higher.
With a cooling solution you described, you could push it to.. maybe 3.8-4ghz, if you're lucky.
3.1ghz/4.3ghz(turbo)
@@OneThousand98 Not even close. The heatsinks may be small but they compensate by coupling it with a very high rpm fan.
I'm trying learn english with your videos, thx
Very good , mate. Good job.
Blyat
Please do another scrapyard wars where you can only buy pieces individually no bundles.
I just want dual EPYC because it's crazy and VMs. :-D
Edit:
Please stop using made up words like "closelyer".
Every word is made up.
Red Phoenix wooosh
RyTrapp0 I do browse that site for fun.
we live in a society
oppresion must STOP we shoul rise UP
Shrek, you’re on the wrong channel. Try “jacksfilms”.
He's Canadian.... :)
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At least he didn't drop down to his shreddies this time.
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It's not always about compute power. Consider Memory costs. If you have a requirement of 1.5TB, it may well be cheaper to go for a 2 socket machines (with half the cores each) with 64GB Dimms rather than a single socket with 128GB Dimms. Add in the extra PCI lanes and your dual socket machines is far more viable. And don't forget redundency!
Great video. There are definitely uses for lots of cores and physical processors, but for number-crunching in general, I feel like the whole "many-core" situation is getting out of control. A lot of us would rather see more single-threaded performance increases, and leave parallel number crunching for the GPU. I feel like once we hit 64 cores, unless we're running a server, the CPU is ultimately and strangely starting to look like an over-priced GPU. Really excited for more single-threaded bumps at this point.
Linus as if anyone watching this is wearing underpants. Know your demographic.
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I am only wearing an underpant..
omg same
I don't understand what did he do wrong? My bad just a bit slow sometimes
I was referring to the underpants sponsor at the start of the vid :)
What about EPYC?
Like for Threadripper 2
What about EPYC!?
WOW 28 cores!! Oh... wait.... Didnt AMD present a 64 core chip today?
Yes, yes they did.....
And didnt the single AMD chip beat 2 of these 28 cores chips?
Yes, yes it did............
i'd like quad-socket mobo with that :D
AMD test was bullshit.
The guy that wrote the program they used to benchmark said NOT to use it as a representation of what the CPU could do. Why? Because it used highly repetitive, very small instructions that end up being buffered in the larger AMD cache. AMD chose Intel CPU's that had cache that wouldn't buffer these instructions completely so you end up with reads back to system memory that introduces delays... long story short is that the results were NOT indicative of real world usage... it probably will be a great product, but it's best to wait for unbiased benchmarks.
I have a question if I have 2 CPU's on a PC does that mean double the cores? And double the frequency?
@@scene6289: Not double frequency, but yes, double cores, double RAM support and not least, double PCIe lanes. So with a dual-Epyc with enough PCIe slots, you should be able to run about 50-70 high-end gaming stations from one box, assuming the ability to run dual- or quad-head gaming in VMs. With those 256 PCIe lanes, you could also run 64 m.2 devices at full speed. Would be interesting to see how much speed you could get from a Linux RAID0 setup. It is possible that it would be useful somehow. It would be a theoretical 224GB/s, with easy access to 256TB memory. Would be a fun project.
@@photonboy999 2019 and 2020 proved that EPYC 7742 is the best server cpu for now. www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-7742-benchmarks-and-review-simply-peerless/2/
I work as a geophysicist for a huge canadian oil and gas company. I’m using an HP workstation with dual xeons and a Quadro K5000 with 128 gigs of RAM. It’s still not fast enough for what I need it for. The more processing power the better for these companies. I set up a seismic attribute workflow with 10 or 11 attributes that run right after each other, each with many adjustable parameters. The software stores each volume inside the RAM itself, and then does a bunch of math to it and stores that new volume in the ram as well. Rinse and repeat. When I click go, I have to wait 45 mins or so for the computer to process my inputs without being able to do anything else. For these companies with really deep pockets, this addition goes a really long way, 45 mins gets cut to 30, which saves them a lot of money in the medium run.
Let me guess, *it depends*
Dual Threadripper 2 Build plz b0ss. 64 Cores, 128 Threadsssssss.
Wait is there a motherboard with with 2 threadripper sockets?
How many cores will Epyc 2 have? 64 iirc.
Has linus ever made a video benchmarking Epyc?
Also, does Intel offer anything similar? Epyc has been out for a while and Intel can offer at most 28 cores.
HEDT consumer skus do not have dual socket motherboards
Wargon he never made one
Wargon 48 cores in zen 2. 64 per socket may come with the zen 3 generation.
Epyc
Litterally just intel trying to cover up the fact that threadripper reamed them hard
TheAnimystro Sooooooooo... AMD. I remember how you tried to beat us in the CPU market by choosing multi core performance over single core performance.... and now, you’ve done it. You released a CPU that handles multi threaded applications better than ours.
*_TOUGH LUCK, HERE IS OUR SUPER CORE. YOU CANNOT BEAT US, EVEN AT YOUR OWN GAME_*
Its just multiple dies glued together. They are in a fact separate CPU's with numa blocks and every disadvantage connected to it. TR/Epyc is just that. multiple CPUs in single socket. If Intel is forced they can do it as well, there is nothing great about it. Single 28-core CPU is way bigger technical achievement than thowing multiple 8c dies under one HS and calling it 32 core....
yes. TR is a Glued core, but the "glue" is infinitely better than mutisocketing, so the point is still there. Plus, a single die 28core is ridiculously expansive, and the following cost tradeoff is orders of magnitude more than the performance gain.
REGARDLESS OF VALUE, Xeon and core i9 are OBJECTIVELY better in terms of RAW PERFORMANCE. We’ll have to wait for threadripper 2 benches in the future though
DOC Zenith it also happens to be way more economic and easier to manufacture and will likely be the only kind of way to yield any high performance chips in the future. It IS an achievement, getting the kind of scaling that Zen does without the insane disadvantages having separate dies glued together faces.
Is it really more impressive to have a 28c/56t CPU cost 10 grand rather to have a 32c/64t competitor that comes in an order of magnitude less?
I used to have dual sockets system once.
The processors were 2x Pentium III 550 MHz on some old Gigabyte board with Windows 2000. I liked it very much.
For anyone wondering why these actually exist. It's for 'RAS' features. Having two CPU's means in some cases that you can actually hot swap a cpu in a live running environment. So you don't have to power down the server for a failure/upgrade like that. Higher end equipment uses pcie bridges so that either CPU can address the same expansion card so that if a cpu dies you don't also loose access to a network card or such.
Should have done an epyc comparison,
I have dual Xeons x5675's overclocked to 4.1ghz, I'm pretty happy :D
how do you handle NUMA pinning?
how much points you get on cinebench r15?single thread and multithread performance
Proove that you have that Xeon by answering the questions above me
My server has dual xeons not overclocked and extremely old (E5405)
linuxmind I haven't touched anything to do with NUMA so I'm assuming it's all default
you should try a dual epyc system
More CPUs also means more RAM support, if your workload requires 3TB of ram, then its hard to get done with one CPU.
On enterprise level, if independent/multi-user programs are running on different datasets, multi-socket solutions are quite preferred at the moment. At least I checked solutions in our computer centre and (except for interactive hosts) all nodes have 2 to 4 sockets and each 8-20 cores per socket (depending on date of purchase, I suppose), glancing at numbers w/o having deep statistical analyses of the tables (460 hosts, 25784 cores, 992 sockets, 217 951GB RAM).
I think in that direction too, Firefox is software that uses 8 threads. on my home workstation (Lenovo D20 dual xeon x5670) If I use 2 cpu instead of 1 (24 threads instead of 12), Firefox is a lot faster to scroll and feels way better. I think the main difference is the memory access feature of the second cpu. When 1 cpu uses its 3 channels of memory for the scrolling, the other cpu also has 3 channels of memory on another independant system which is lowering memory read/write/access lag making the system smoother on 2 sets of 3 memory channels.
how dose that xeon stack up against threadripper lol
The Question is do you need a chiller ?
I had a 64-core gaming system with 1024 GB of 10GHz DDR9 and four Quadro RTX8000 running SLI. Then I suddenly woke up.
In all seriousness through, single-thread performance is whay still matters for most games. Only in recent yeards did game developers start to care about parallelizing the workload in their games.
I just built a Threadripper 32 2990W, 256GB DDR4 4000, 2x WX-9100’s and a Titan Z CEO for rendering (came out of my gaming machine). I use it primarily for DaVinci Resolve 16, editing 4,6&8K video, AfterEffects, Maya and Blender. I have yet seen a slow down in performance our where I though to myself, I need an additional CPU. Though I will definitely be buying the 48 or 64 Core variants when they become available.The thing is a beast, even with WX-9100’s that turned out to be excellent cards for the type of tasks listed above, especially Open CL.
I've got a dual socket G34 running a total of 24 threads. It's a fun toy that does a few specific tasks quite well. (Other workloads - "not so much...") The boards are about a hundred USD, the CPUs ten bucks a pop, and memory is just a touch over 1 dollar per gigabyte. :)
"No one is going to buy something like this for their personal rig."
Older Xeons are actually relatively affordable. In fact I am typing this on 56 threads of my own.
6:57 Look close-li-er...
Nice tongue tying haha
That would be cool to have a motherboard where you could put a faster gaming processor in 1 socket, then another processor in another socket that has a ton of cores. Then have your computer know when to use each processor, you have The Best of Both Worlds.
TalesOfWar lol I guess I did. I'm thinking the higher core processors don't have the single core performance that something like a quad core does. Now that I think about it that seems like a terrible idea because of the work involved lol.
Matthew B. Yes the big.LITTLE or multicluster cores on mobile ARM CPUs. Pretty neat if you ask me. Not sure why it haven't made its way especially to mobile/laptop x86 CPUs.
KVM switch?
Just assign corect core affinity for the program you use and tune your system by editing turbo tables. So if for example you have a game that uses 2 cores max and have 8 core cpu, assign the game .exe file to two cores and tune your 2 core turbo to the max. 6 unused cores will clock down letting you push higher clock on remaining two your game uses.
We use dual socket for out hyper-V hosts, because they run server 2012 R2, and the datacenter license is for a whole system with up to two cores, so we maximize the CPU and corecount to save money in licenses (server 2019 datacenter license is per-core based and becomes very expensive very quickly ($60k for 16 cores)).
I worked for a company which assembles servers for military/electric plants :) intel sells a lot of these :)
I was at testing part (each of those machines goes through 3 different tests, then random number of servers from order (chosen by computer) goes to disassembly and reassembly to check if everything is done well (this is why is it so insanely expensive compared to price of components... which is pretty high too)
some days there were 4 socket mini servers for jets, sometimes 8 socket 4u servers for atomic power plants (i don't even know why they want something like that, it's just insane), sometimes 8 socket 4u racks with 2 quadro GPU and almost 200GB RAM per CPU... sometimes there were dual socket 2u racks with 60 or even more SSD...
and in the facility where I worked they produced around 200-400 units per day
Secretly sponsored by intel marketing..
Because as we all know AYummmD.
Professor X
Xeons are overpriced.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall correctly, I remember Linus saying that they don't cover much AMD since AMD doesn't sponsor their channel as much as they LTT would like to be.
On the other hand with AMD's current track record and followers, I think they're at a point where they really don't need to sponsor content creators to advertise their stuff. I mean in almost every tech video there's always a comment talking about AMD so hurray for free advertising!
Next video: Do you need a Graphics Card for gaming?
You forgot the in 2018 lol
Voxel
To answer that, it's a 'maybe'.
I have an Intel HD Graphics 4000 (sed laif.)
And it can easily run Sleeping Dogs, and Just Cause 3, with semi-spec settings.
Yes, requires optimizing.
And
Yes, it's hard, and takes time.
Mike Jameson I think it was a joke...
The real question is can you rig 2 graphics cards to do the job of the cpu.
Charles983 Baller
Joke or not, I am running an intergraded GPU - A part of the CPU, for gaming.
I generally enjoy your videos, but I feel this one is off the mark. When you get into the high core count, most people will be using that for video, or server applications. Install Linux, throw 10,000 emails at the machine and see how it does. Set up a Virtual Private Server farm, install 100 websites on it, and see how it does. Just about everything in this video misses the mark for what high CPU machines will be used for. I use to work for an ISP in Houston Texas, so I have seen stuff like what I suggested. Most hosting providers that use machines like you show in this video will not even be using windows. The testing you did on these machines is probably going to be a lot different than running CentOS, Apache, and MySQL applications with hundreds of virtual private servers.
Windows is pretty much just a Linux app these days, though.
You struck the right cord when you suggested Unraid. This processor is intended for Hypervisor boxes running VMWare or Hyper-V.
A lot of the deployments for these are going to large scale cloud hosts. They fill boards with several TB of memory and put them in a cluster. The massive compute density that these have when you do large distributed workloads like big data analysis and VPS is where they truly shine. You'll see an uptick in sales at the end of 2018 as companies come off of their leases and start their refresh programs where they're dumping their Dell R720s and HPE/IBM equivalent and will start to deploy these.
Dragon Tatoo?
I believe it's MSI but it's been there on and off for a few epsiodes so I'm not certain if it's real or fake...
CaptainCheerios this is what I'm wondering.
Mathias Holst-Egede it’s likely real because the order they record is not the same as the order they upload. Just look for it on WAN show if he is on it
Multiple sockets might become popular if an architecture is engineered to take advantage of the computational superiority of the Xeon in order to optimize the scalability and flexibility of a bitcoin mining rig.
Apparently, it is becoming less feasible to invest in ASICS to mine most bitcoin and even less so for gpu/cuda setups.A data center that relies on multi-parallel (not massive) processing of the fastest cpus using the most efficient chipsets and memory architecture combined with supplemental racks of cuda/gpus might become less susceptible of become obsolete due to advances in gpu technology and ASIC/ algorithmic advances.
"But I digress." -Linus Sebastian 😂
I worked for NCR for 10 years and they still have priority computer systems. 1 is a 4 Xeon 256gb memory server that runs Unix for places like Walmart front end.2 computer systems run in parallel so if 1 goes down the other takes over and it even puts out a critical call to NCR saying a computer is down. When you are on call you have a 1 hour to be on site and a 4 hour repair time so we kept all the parts of a computer in the NCR parts locker on site. To bad thou, I got run over by a van while working on an outside ATM leaving me totally disabled for the rest of my life
The point of two (or more) CPUs is to either to increase density, as mentioned in the video, or to save money by buying two (or more) lower count CPUs. The 28 core 8180 is $10,000 but two 14-core Xeon Gold 5120Ts will run about $3,450. If, say, 28 cores is all you need, two processors is likely the way to go. You'd only buy an 8180 if you actually needed two or four of them in one system. Same goes for lower counts. The 8-core Xeon Silvers run in the $500-$600 range, so if you wanted 16 cores, you'd likely go that route.
Core i9 7980xe or AMD 1950X? I know AMD is cheaper.
For that I would recommend go with the i9 a bit extra cores and threads and overclock higher, on the otherside if you don't want to spend a crazy amount of money like u will on that i9 go for the 1950x it's not that the difference is that high ua-cam.com/video/RJziUkLpU74/v-deo.html but if u can wait for the new TR if u can afford that i9 you sure will be able to get the new TR anyways.
Just wait till August when the 2990x will be released a 32 core 64 thread 4 GHz beast will probely be cheaper than the 18 core intel
Is MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC well for TR 2 ??
1) buy 8086k
2) trade it to AMD
3) sell 1950x
4) repeat
5) ???
6) profit
Valto mäkelä Intel Core m3 is all you need
SLI for CPU's xD
Josué Solano
It's called SMP and it's been around longer than nVidia has.
lol 3fx made SLI nVidia bought the idea...
It’s called CrossFire, the shittier SLI.
But no need for a physical bridge
More like fire strike since it's all through the board and not a independent bridge lol.
I expect the dual xeons to be overwhelmed by the new Threadripper 2 cpus. At 32 cores and 64 threads it might actually be better when overclocked. So far we know that with high end coolers (no delid and stuff) it can be kept at 4 ghz on all cores. I mean yes, the dual xeons have more cores, but they are slow at 2.5 ghz stock and xeons in dual cpu config cannot be overclocked in most configs.
Groza Adrian threadripper 2 actuelly scored higher on cinebench atleast thats what you could see in the leaked benchmark results
They where not "leaked" it was demonstrated by AMD on Computex
Jacques Ahlers there were cinebench scores leaked showing threadripper 2990x with final clockspeed and they overclocked it too and got a cinebench score of 6998 i think
Jacques Ahlers Are you talking about the official results or about the 4 GHz oc?
The official results because I have a doubt about the 4Ghz oc since buildzoid made a clear vid showing that there is actually no motherboard that can output enough power for an all core 4Ghz oc.
A technical detail:Numa is not necessary, you could use a cross bar (old folks will remember them). It’s a better architecture for low count CPU’s (cores in newer parlance ). NUMA is less expensive too , and you can scale the facilities to many nodes, either inside your computer or outside. So NUMA that used to be the stuff of massively parallel super computers is now the norm. Even in architecture terms modern PCs are supercomputers of old. Memory bandwidth per flop is very low, but we have high performance caches to compensate, and GPUs with decent memory bandwidth.
Thanks for you Videos. I'm an old Fortran 77 Programmer, boy, things have changed!
I can two Intel 80486SX akimbo in that very same motherboard in 1990. The roaring speed of 33mhz a piece was pretty cutting edge stuff for my country. As much as I cringed at the newb saying it's 'wall art' I still have the chips sitting in a sock drawer hidden so the waifu won't dispose of it as I'm pretty anti-tech hoarding yet can't bring myself to abandon CPU's because they're a little memory of all the cool porn and warez they brought me.
Get a threadripper 32 core smh
If you don't care about graphics, the TR is better, yes.
@@jeschinstad what? None of these have graphics...
Jo-Erlend Schinstad Xeons don’t have integrated graphics either
You could get the 64 core one
@Kallan Ey Gens 1 and 2 are kinda wonky, but gen 3 is the real deal.
Epyc CPUs Are Up to 32 cores
the_skydragons like to get butt fucked by intel.
threadripper 2 is 32 cores
And Epyc 2s will have 64 cores and 128 threads!
The_SkyDragons how is he a fanboy, he literally just pointed out the truth
Here we are in 2024 and I’m just about to buy one of these workstation 😂😂😂
I do remember watching this video the day
it was uploaded.😂
Mind you at that time I had a dual 8 core extreme addition xeons, with no hyper threading. The ASUS Tyan Tempest motherboard had 16 dimm slots with 4 channel x2x2=16dimm.
I’m hoping the 6 channel ram will be sweet. The new machine will have 384 gig of ram, 12x 32gig sticks😁.
As someone explained to me years ago, a dual CPU system can do more than a single multi core because each CPU has its own memory address buffer while a multi core CPU shares a singular address buffer.
Still, the shining star of multi core is the ability to get more done at lower power and heat levels...a physical limitation on most every home PC and laptop.
"Diz Xeon chips ain't Epyc no more"
AMD EPYC ???
> $10000 for a some crappy overpriced Intel CPU
This is why I bought a Threadripper 1950x for my Windows Virtual Machine running right now under qemu/kvm.
Also got 128GB of ram for it - wew.
what else are you doing with your workstation?
It's really not that interesting - The Windows VM is solely for running Windows exclusive games, everything else I do on the host which is running Arch Linux w/ KDE.
Windows is using my old nvidia 770GTX - and I got a RX580 which I'm currently using on my host, and holy crap, Linux runs so much better with an AMD GPU.
Cool :) Yeah I was going to look into AMD cards when a new generation is coming out (I am Ubuntu/Fedora). Nvidia's drivers are a pure pain in the b*** on Linux and Windows respectively. Error code 43 might be something you know in that context ;)
True that, to this day my hypervisor identifies itself as "fuck_you_nv" to get around error 43 :P
I wanted to get a vega 56 one originally, but they were somewhere around 2-3x MSRP unfortunately... :/
The price is for scalability, something you cannot do with two threadripper or 7980X
Usually HPC applications that need multi chip parallelism are coded to be NUMA-aware. But that increases their complexity. Other other common use case is running multiple applications in a single box. After all, the inter processor bandwidth is generally much higher than common network interfaces.
at 7:34 they're all playing team fortress 2, I'm glad to see that Linus Media Group is a group of culture and knows only the best video game.
Always two there are
Dual cups
Dual gpus in sli
Dual ssds in raid
Linus, you're welcome for the idea
tell me why the tattoo?just why
Student _Arthur 0:34
PG27UQ in every video, but no review yet. I really want to pick on of these up soon, but waiting on a few more reviews and I really value the LMG opinion/analysis. I appreciate taking the time to do a quality job though. Can't wait to see it soon!
i see the mack weldon ad and the first thing that comes to my mind is, "please dont undress again"
What's with the cheesy dragon tattoo
Am i blind or is that the first vide he has had it in?
Pidoraz Pidordva 0:35
how much you wanna bet intel still didnt solder their cpu...
i think the last one was sandy bridge
Comment section: "get a high end AMD cpu"
**cries in 18 minute renders**
My 1700X is horrible with video transcoding, rendering 2-4 hours for 30-60 minutes of HEVC 1080p 4K KB/s constant bitrate, having to use CPU rendering because my R9 290 cannot support HEVC transcoding acceleration.
@@WellBeSerious12 1700x kinda old 290 kinda old - your answer
Another reason for use this kind of setup, Full 4 Way SLI. I need a system to support 4 GPU in full SLI. No Single CPU (AMD or Intel) had so many SLI lane available for GPU. Closest was AMD threadripper with 64 SLI lanes but all are not available for GPU (some needed for communication and 4 for NVMe drive). I got the same motherboard but with Xeon Silver Scalable 4110 for a total of 89 SLI lanes (48+48)
One definite benefit to MP servers is the redundancy. You have a nice RAID 5 array (or whatever raid you use) in case a HDD dies. You have 2x power supplies in case one dies. 2 CPUs and 2 sets of RAM - same thing. If any of this fails while the machine is up and running? It doesn't die and everything is not lost suddenly. I have hotswapped multiple power supplies, hard drives, and even RAM (not CPUs though, as those required a full shutdown) over the years in several workplaces that have to be up 24/7 with minimal to no downtime - from large NY taxi companies to hospitals - even the server running all the imaging for multiple MRI systems in one case. A storm had fried 2 RAM sticks, 1 power supply and 2 HDDs. Took a while to rebuild the raid array data with 2 drives down. Still quicker than tape drive backups. But yeah. They had duplicates of EVERYTHING there, even the tape drives for backup, and in cases like that where the stability and reliability of a system is that critical, it does make sense to have multiple of everything. So because of my experience as an MCSE network technician, I believe there will always be a place for them in the enterprise market for medical and industrial systems with a high degree of criticality like this. Also, in industrial workplaces (manufacturing, machining, etc) the high amount of dust/heat tends to throttle higher core and speed CPUs, so a MP system with it's multiple heat sinks splitting the work between them, they tend not to "choke" like some of the newer, higher-powered single CPU models. In this case, by running 2 of them at lower demand, the systems will last a lot longer.
i could get 10 threadrippers with that and then out preform those
DELTACX10 Your logic is horribly wrong
you get the point for that price i could have much more power from amd
DELTACX10 not really. You'd need a whole new PC for each CPU, and a way to cluster each task like a server. Mobo vs Mobo, the Xeon is better. Heck in the instance of i7 vs Threadripper, i7 wins. You have to spend more on the the CPU for a MARGINAL gain. The 1950X is $750, and is 20% better than the 8700K ($300). The 8700K is 15% better than the TR-1900X, and the i7 is $150 cheaper.
Thorshammerr Wow, you seem a little butthurt there. Especially since you can't even form a sentence without a bunch of grammatical errors. 1) 20% was pulled from Userbenchmarks, which pulls thousands of Cinebench scores for each processor. I trust it over a sourceless claim from you. Especially since you aren't running both to compare. The cost difference is not worth the performance gains. 2) Yes, there have been exploits, and Intel has been fixing them. Problem is that the odds of that exploit affecting you is so minimal. Nobody wants to fuck with your computer. There's nothing you have or do that is worth a minute of a hacker's time. 3) Good luck with that one buddy. Just because everyone on the AMD bandwagon (I used to only use AMD until the clusterfuck bullshit that is Bulldozer... Which AMD got sued for lying about core count) is going bananas, doesn't mean a large Fortune 500 company gives a shit. I know for a fact we aren't switching any of ours from Intel. It's not worth the hassle for [maybe] one generation. Not just that, but Intel gives us decent discount of 50-60% off MSRP. So unless AMD is going to compete with pricing SO MUCH that it justifies buying brand new hardware or trying to cluster AMD with Intel servers, it's not even worth it. There's a reason hardly any Enterprise computers use AMD anymore.
Joseph Romano if a data center wants dual socket tr boards they can order them or just go and get quad socket opteron boards li,e i have
6:00 C621, more like E621 e.e
Fuck you.
EPYC
Dual socket systems for Xeon chips are absolutely needed in the enterprise world still. 99% of everything we run is virtualized, from servers to virtual desktop environments. My company runs over 400 individual virtual desktops for it's employees, and another 70 or more servers, all virtual. Being able to pack as much processing power into the smallest form factor is essential in the enterprise world. So being able to have 56+ cores in a single 1-2u rack, or even in something as small as a blade is fantastic. Compared to even 5 years ago we can now take our virtual clusters that used to take up 20u and condense it down into 6-8u simply because we now have CPU's with 16-32 cores. :)
VDI Cluster = 304 threads, 9TB of RAM over 14 hosts.
Server Cluster = 96 threads, 1.75TB of RAM over 6 hosts.
I don't need it, but am sure as shit am glad to have it for the extra PCI-E lanes. If you want to run more than 2 GPU's in SLI and use M.2 drives at the same time, it's still your best route.