Ludwig Supraphonic and Black Beauty Snare Drum 6-Way Shootout!

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  • Опубліковано 8 лип 2018
  • We tested 6 popular Ludwig Seamless Metal Snare Drum models. Let us know which one appeals to your ears!
    Bass drum used - Ludwig 22x16 Classic Maple (Heritage Blue)
    Head used - Remo Coated Ambassador
    Ludwig Supraphonic Snare Drum 14x6.5
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LM402
    Ludwig Copper Phonic Snare Drum 14x6.5
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LC662
    Ludwig Black Beauty Snare Drum 14x6.5
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LB417
    Ludwig Supraphonic Raw Brass Snare Drum 14x6.5
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LB464R
    Ludwig Supraphonic Chrome Over Brass 14x6.5
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LB402B
    Ludwig Supraphonic Bronze Snare Drum 6.5x14
    Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LB552
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 373

  • @dancoffman4336
    @dancoffman4336 5 років тому +61

    The first 6 are my fav's...

    • @alexg4284
      @alexg4284 2 роки тому +1

      Mine's the Ludwig

  • @bepoondrums7093
    @bepoondrums7093 5 років тому +151

    Black Beauty 1:05 - 3:02 - 3:09
    Crome Over Brass 1:24 - 3:21 - 3:29
    Copper Phonic 1:43 - 3:40 - 3:48
    Supraphonic 2:03 - 3:59 - 4:07
    Raw Brass 2:22 - 4:18 - 4:26
    Supraphonic Bronze 2:42 - 4:37 - 4:46

  • @anthonycostanzo3012
    @anthonycostanzo3012 5 років тому +19

    Still love the good ole Supra (LM402)

  • @Mikas_Emil
    @Mikas_Emil 2 роки тому +5

    LM402 just sounds fantastic.

  • @3stann78
    @3stann78 4 роки тому +7

    Black Beauty for me!😍

  • @jmdrummer7
    @jmdrummer7 5 років тому +7

    I own the Supraphonic aluminum and the raw brass, love both, Ludwig for life!

  • @DrummerGrrrl
    @DrummerGrrrl 5 років тому +18

    That Raw Brass snare was amazing. Such great lows. But the Black Beauty was THE winner for me!

    • @MarkOnDrums1976
      @MarkOnDrums1976 6 місяців тому +1

      I have the black beauty 6.5 and raw brass in 8" depth and love both.

  • @Tyler_Wilson
    @Tyler_Wilson 5 років тому +100

    Black Beauty wins it for me! Supraphonic in close 2nd

    • @jedfriedland1520
      @jedfriedland1520 5 років тому

      That is how I heard it much to my surprise.

    • @JeromeDayUniverse
      @JeromeDayUniverse 5 років тому

      I agree ! Yes

    • @portley777
      @portley777 5 років тому +3

      Absolutely, spot on. The other drums, however, might come to life in a different tuning.

    • @monkeyxx
      @monkeyxx 5 років тому

      same here followed by raw brass and bronze in 3rd/4th place

    • @pearldrummer7217
      @pearldrummer7217 5 років тому

      Got same results.

  • @user-xe6gx6wh4g
    @user-xe6gx6wh4g 3 роки тому +12

    I heard this vid and chose the LM402. My favorite all the way. I love the drum and the inspiration it gives to me. The only problem I have with it is it takes up too much room in the bed.

  • @just82much51
    @just82much51 3 роки тому +7

    I’ve listed to and watch A LOT of drum shoot out / comparison videos and NO ONE does it better than you guys!!!!

  • @emperortrasparente3254
    @emperortrasparente3254 5 років тому +16

    From what I hear, the Black Beauty is the most cutting.

  • @johnniesmith3041
    @johnniesmith3041 5 років тому +9

    Black Beauty.. All the way!!

  • @mariotelaro
    @mariotelaro 5 років тому +4

    your drum sounds on all these latest videos are just outstanding. it's really nice to hear these drums recorded and mixed well

  • @68PieceDrumKit
    @68PieceDrumKit 5 років тому +17

    The one I enjoyed the most was the raw brass, loved it’s tonal quality.

  • @Juniscrazy
    @Juniscrazy Рік тому +2

    Always love the aluminum sound. Lm402 is just my favorite but all sound great

  • @1life2pono
    @1life2pono 5 років тому +6

    Nothing beats the LM 402!

  • @TraceyChattaway
    @TraceyChattaway 3 роки тому

    Thank you Tony and Tom. I really appreciate hearing the different sensitivities - vey helpful.

  • @TXMusicDrummer
    @TXMusicDrummer 5 років тому +41

    For me personally, the Copperphonic had the most personality with that dark overtone. Black Beauty and Superphonic are most familiar. Bronze was interesting to a degree. Only drum I didn't like was the raw brass shell even though it looked the coolest of the six. While overtones were as pronounced as the copper, it wasn't as pleasing to my ears.

    • @todds6048
      @todds6048 3 роки тому +2

      Agree 100% with your evaluation. I've had my eye on the Copperphonic for a few years now, and besides the very cool look... it seems to have the most personality.

    • @jove1155
      @jove1155 3 роки тому +3

      I have the Copperphonic and BB, they tune vey similarly, but the Copper has an extra something I just love. Btw, that Raw Brass needed better tuning, Im sure it would sound better tighter.

    • @ramencurry6672
      @ramencurry6672 2 роки тому +1

      The standard Supraphonic is the most boring sound but in some ways it’s best for blending in with songs without being a distraction

    • @mattnewell5414
      @mattnewell5414 Рік тому +3

      I know I’m rolling up fashionably late for this exchange, but you’re all crazy. The raw brass is an incredible drum, possibly the nicest and most musical of the bunch. The LM402 always sounds good and it’s probably the default snare sound that we recognize due to it being the studio standard for the past 50 yrs ❤

    • @STIKLYFE410
      @STIKLYFE410 Рік тому

      ​@mattnewell5414
      I was thinking that same thing while I was reading thru comments, like wtf are these dudes smoking...me personally i feel like the raw brass is the best snare that Ludwig has period!!!

  • @chiefwarrior2567
    @chiefwarrior2567 4 роки тому +6

    That raw brass is an underrated piece of equipment

  • @JanPatrickLucas
    @JanPatrickLucas 5 років тому +37

    Black Beauty on top of the heap...….quite fitting fellows. That's the way I hear it, but they're all bangin' drums - no wrong decision. This was a fantastic idea for a demo, Great job DCP!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому +4

      Thanks for watching!

    • @1111Paiste
      @1111Paiste 2 роки тому

      @@drumcenternh From a question above: "...can someone explain why the COB should sound any different from the BB nickel plated brass ? I have owned both in the 5x14” size and they sounded EXACTLY the same, as one would expect them to. So I’m confused - please, no sarcasm - this is just an honest question."

  • @LyndaWhite-ju1gj
    @LyndaWhite-ju1gj 5 років тому +1

    I love all Ludwig snares.

  • @kirstensray
    @kirstensray 5 років тому +13

    Black Beauty
    Copper Phonic
    Supraphonic Bronze

    • @gregpeller1499
      @gregpeller1499 4 роки тому

      "Oh sweet Lord! THOSE were my picks also in that exact order...

  • @cajundaddy64
    @cajundaddy64 5 років тому +9

    I would have to go with the Black beauty and the LM402 and Bronze tied for 2nd. The copper deserves a mention too.

  • @floridabeardedwoodworker
    @floridabeardedwoodworker 4 роки тому +5

    I CALLED TODAY AND ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WERE SUPER HELPFUL!!! THANKS!!!!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  4 роки тому

      Glad we could help! Stay safe, brother.

  • @munton5150
    @munton5150 5 років тому +5

    Very nicely done. I love these types of videos. More!

  • @rhythmista7707
    @rhythmista7707 5 років тому +6

    As a former Ludwig player, i must say, that the new copperphonic and raw brass sound perfect. But as always and for the past 50 years or so, the supraphonic is THE snare drum sound of all time.

    • @ramencurry6672
      @ramencurry6672 4 місяці тому

      The aluminum Supraphonic is great because of that “bland” sound which means that it blends in well with songs in studio recordings. For my home studio that snare is in my collection

  • @chottozumi
    @chottozumi 5 років тому

    Wow, the Copper! Great video and sound reproduction. Thank you!!

  • @szymonbaranowski2574
    @szymonbaranowski2574 5 років тому +3

    You guys are doing a splendid job with those videos, thanks so much!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому +1

      Thanks for watching, we're glad you like them!

  • @JasonWelchMusic
    @JasonWelchMusic 5 років тому +3

    Black Beauty definitely my favorite...
    But the winner is whoever gets to own any of these drums. They ALL sounded excellent.

  • @MrVoraxTranstellaris
    @MrVoraxTranstellaris 3 роки тому +2

    Black Beauty, Supraphonic and Raw Brass stood out to me.

  • @daveeccles1181
    @daveeccles1181 4 роки тому +3

    Black beauty for me

  • @seanskeete1905
    @seanskeete1905 4 роки тому +2

    They all sound great. Supraphonic, black beauty, and chrome over brass standout for me. But the raw brass is nice too.

  • @AlbertMoyerJr
    @AlbertMoyerJr 3 роки тому

    They all sound fantastic!

  • @jesseknorr9052
    @jesseknorr9052 2 роки тому +2

    I use to always think black beauty from all the videos and recordings I’ve heard of it. But then I went and actually played on these drums and I have to say the Raw brass is spectacular

  • @payableondrummer
    @payableondrummer 5 років тому +3

    Raw Brass has the coolest rock sound, Bronze is the prettiest (subjectively), and the Supraphonic seems like the most useful. Love my LM402 but damn do I want the rest of these lol

  • @chrismitchell45
    @chrismitchell45 4 роки тому

    Excellent video and perfect timing as I’m trying to decide between a BB and the Super Brass. I have the new Super COB and it sounds exactly like my 63’ COB Supra I sold years ago. NOTHING cuts like a COB Supraphonic when tuned slightly high. I’m actually now thinking about the Copper Phonic. Thanks for the video gentlemen, even though it’s old lol.

  • @andrewyka
    @andrewyka 5 років тому +4

    I Loved Ludwig!!! I us Supersensitive Alloy!!! Great!!! 40 Year and I in Loved Studio / Live !!!

  • @emilioparedes7466
    @emilioparedes7466 4 роки тому +2

    I like Supra COB..!! Nice open sound, nice feel..!

  • @jakethepitador2558
    @jakethepitador2558 3 роки тому +1

    It's those Dave Weckl signature sticks that make the drums sound so good.

  • @bubinga_basher
    @bubinga_basher 4 роки тому +3

    I’ve got the Raw, and Supra. Raw is surprisingly dry, and can be nice change for recording. The lm402 is still my go to, and most versatile snare I own. The Copperphonic’s rim shot sounded incredible! I know it’s not a Ludwig, nor part of this test, but recently used the Gretch Bell Brass. Wow! May be the best sounding snare I ever played?

  • @cj_m2477
    @cj_m2477 5 років тому +3

    Great video. It verifies my choices of snares I chose. Thanks guys.

  • @StuartJrBarrett
    @StuartJrBarrett 5 років тому

    All sound great! Very subtle differences

  • @Jetty-xd9yc
    @Jetty-xd9yc 5 років тому

    You guys always get down to the nitty-gritty without any cheesy sales pitch. You give your honest opinion's and that goes a long way in this industry. I'll keep my mid 80s black Galaxy acrylite. "4 now"

  • @johnnymerritt9544
    @johnnymerritt9544 5 років тому

    Everyone one of these sound great to me they are all awesome !!

  • @larrylizzard4938
    @larrylizzard4938 5 років тому

    I had UA-cam running in the background as I looked over snare drums on the Ludwig site when this video started. I was curious as to how the raw brass snare sounded and there it was. As far as this video, I'd have to run with the Black Beauty. Nice work guys

  • @HGH44309
    @HGH44309 5 років тому +2

    Glad I already got the one I like best. The Copperphonic.

  • @seanhershey3390
    @seanhershey3390 5 років тому

    just got a new Supraphonic.. 6.5. after 20 yrs on a 66 gretsch ( and various ludwigs) ... I'm in love.

  • @misterdogbiscuit
    @misterdogbiscuit 5 років тому +3

    Great video! I would get along well with the raw brass. It's probably least preferred by the masses here, but go figure. I like a drum with ghostly overtones.

  • @kasselpainting
    @kasselpainting 8 місяців тому

    Black Beauty!!

  • @arthurazoubel5344
    @arthurazoubel5344 5 років тому +2

    THANK YOU. This was so helpful!!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому +1

      Thank you for watching! It was pretty fun to make.

  • @timcline161
    @timcline161 5 років тому +3

    All sound great. Glad of my 5" BB & 5" Acro. Go-to, do anything you need snares. Excellent vid DCNH

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому +1

      Glad you liked the video, Tim. Thanks for watching!

    • @jarcidiacono1
      @jarcidiacono1 3 роки тому

      @@drumcenternh everyone below asking about your tune-bot settings...and now I’m curious!! Any chance you would share?

  • @brianmcknight6136
    @brianmcknight6136 5 років тому +2

    These guys do killer videos.. great audio and video!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому

      Thanks, Brian! Glad you enjoyed it - we had a lot of fun making it!

  • @bendickens2186
    @bendickens2186 5 років тому +17

    Copper phonic👌

  • @sirui5108
    @sirui5108 5 років тому +1

    Thank you so much for doing this!! Now I know which to start saving up for haha..

  • @rippindrummer666
    @rippindrummer666 4 роки тому +1

    I like the raw brass, copperphonic and black beauty

  • @patrickincharlestonsc4935
    @patrickincharlestonsc4935 5 років тому +2

    Black beauty. Tune it up fellers it can hold steady!

  • @customdrums
    @customdrums 5 років тому

    awesome comparison.

  • @mikeplaysdrums23
    @mikeplaysdrums23 4 роки тому

    Great comparison. I've got the supra and the BB, but 9 times out of 10, I bring my acrolite. I think that raw brass is next on my list to buy, though.

  • @freethinksman4393
    @freethinksman4393 8 місяців тому

    It's crazy that all of the drums are tuned the same. COB and Raw brass were decidedly lower in pitch than the BB and Supra. The COB, Copperphonic, Raw Brass, and Bronze were all lower. The difference between the COB and BB was pretty dramatic.

  • @DrGray_Drummer
    @DrGray_Drummer 4 роки тому +2

    I always end up going back to the 402 Supra. Idk, same heads, same tunings? They're all going to have their different sweet spots. Just got a Raw Brass..Liking it. Much warmer than I had anticipated.

  • @dandillon3517
    @dandillon3517 Рік тому

    As always….great video!!!! May I ask what the tunebot tuning was reso and batter. I'd really appreciate it.. Thank you guys!!!!

  • @bobby9727
    @bobby9727 3 роки тому

    Great vid Thank you,do you remember the settings you used on the Tunebot?

  • @dugjay
    @dugjay 5 років тому +15

    Supraphonic all the way. The raw brass came in a close second.

    • @traviswoodall6547
      @traviswoodall6547 5 років тому +1

      I thought the raw brass was the worst. Guess that's why they have so many flavors! Funny thing is, if YOU love the raw brass and it speaks to you then that us absolutely the snare you should play, and will sound the best playing. Same for me and the Copperphonic. I just LOVE that thing and my playing (to me) sounds better when I play that snare.

    • @tobyvattilano7846
      @tobyvattilano7846 2 роки тому

      @@traviswoodall6547 agreed. Just went splat. I think the drum sucks. No personality whatsoever and that sound is achievable on just about any metal drum in much lower price point. Granted, there is a time and a place/application for that sound but I want to hear the shell sing up to it's potential on a demo. Maybe that's all it's got

  • @JJ_Squillario
    @JJ_Squillario 4 роки тому +2

    if you have to choose one, go with the bb. it is the best snare I have ever owned, and it can tune in any way you want it to. It fits any playing style. I have tried to make it sound bad, but I can't. I hope this helps somebody.

  • @blakegowan6623
    @blakegowan6623 5 років тому +2

    The Bronze was great...and the CO Brass . I wasn't that into the Copper...and thought I would be. All good though....I would get one of each if I could.

  • @jeffballou2940
    @jeffballou2940 5 років тому +1

    The black beauty is my go to snare. But they are all great, and I kinda like that raw brass!

  • @ignaciodelangel451
    @ignaciodelangel451 4 роки тому

    Hi guys truly enjoy your videos. What Tune Bot setting were used?

  • @Rturner201
    @Rturner201 4 роки тому

    They sound fantastic! What did you tune the top and bottom heads to?

  • @WeFoundAMap
    @WeFoundAMap 5 років тому +1

    Amazing shootout. thank you

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому

      Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.

  • @rajamcraja
    @rajamcraja 5 років тому

    Black beauty is best for me, it's so easy to work with in a mix, it always finds his own spot right away, plus it has that sweet ring that I love. I really really like the Supraphonic too but is a little bit more tricky when you are mixing a hole band, it still sounds lovely for my ears. I'd love to work with a copper phonic some time tho

  • @alfred-mi2wt
    @alfred-mi2wt 8 місяців тому

    I wish I had time to just fly over there to see your store. ..lol...

  • @bonzo4423
    @bonzo4423 4 роки тому

    The copperphonic had a nice dark under tone and was a nice new sound to my ears. Of coarse the Supra & BB are more familiar to my ears and great. I was surprised the COB sounded so different than the BB, not as focused.

  • @Henry-uv9xu
    @Henry-uv9xu 3 роки тому +2

    Brass shell - Dense, focused, medium brightness.
    Aluminum shell - Bright, airy sound.
    Copper - Darker airy sound.
    Bronze - Dark, dense, focused sound.

  • @Martin-kn6vc
    @Martin-kn6vc 5 років тому +7

    I'm usually a fan of Supraphonics, but now I'm considering whether to get a Black Beauty instead... It had more of a low end punch compared to the Supraphonic. The Raw Brass sounded great too!

    • @kapalin846
      @kapalin846 5 років тому +4

      Martin Honestly you can’t go wrong with either. I bought a black beauty over a supra in 2014, I don’t regret it. I play plenty of new and vintage Supra’s where I work, and even still I prefer my black beauty for its feel and sound. It’s a heavier and darker drum, whereas the Supra is considerably lighter and bright. I notice that the B.B. has less cut in higher volumes even when tuned high, whereas supras can cut at wider ranges while maintaining clarity in tone. So if you play louder music, I recommend the Supra.

    • @keithwillett1109
      @keithwillett1109 2 роки тому

      I’ve owned both. Can’t go wrong with either. The BB has more of a ringing resonance though… 🥁😎

  • @dalesdrumchannelzero1802
    @dalesdrumchannelzero1802 5 років тому +6

    That Copper Phonic is speaking to me.

  • @ronaldzeoli7528
    @ronaldzeoli7528 5 років тому

    Great viedo
    Black beauty then copper phonic
    then raw brass. The rest are good too but that's my preference

  • @douglasmackenzie5265
    @douglasmackenzie5265 5 років тому +21

    Very interesting! I just wish you had thrown a 6.5x14 Acrolite into the mix.

    • @DavidEpstein
      @DavidEpstein 5 років тому +12

      It's a dangerous thing to add the Acrolite, Supralite, and Black Magic to a comparison like this. Those cheaper metal Ludwig drums sound so good, they might discourage folks from buying the drum that costs 3 times as much.

    • @DavidEpstein
      @DavidEpstein 5 років тому +3

      The Acrolite is already drier and slightly darker than the Supraphonic even unhammered. I believe there was a hammered drum called Acrophonic at one point, though I'm not sure what the exact specs of that drum were.

    • @rushxanthemtcg5607
      @rushxanthemtcg5607 4 роки тому

      @@DavidEpstein a 6.5 acrolite goes for the same as a 6.5 supra because they have the same lugs and shell. Now a 5 inch supra and acro is a different comparison. The acro has 8 lugs to the supras 10 at that depth, and the acro is cheaper.

    • @rushxanthemtcg5607
      @rushxanthemtcg5607 4 роки тому

      The 6.5 acrolite is only different from the supra in the style of the lugs, so it's not really a useful comparison.

    • @robevans6599
      @robevans6599 3 роки тому

      @@DavidEpstein I’ve got an Acrophonic, fantastic drum. Basically an Acrolite with supra fittings. I may be wrong but I was told the shell is 1.6 mil thick, whilst a standard Supra is 1.7 mil.

  • @joecap2919
    @joecap2919 4 роки тому

    I have owned the Hammered Bronze 6 1/2 since 1982! Despite having played over 50 different snare drums since then, it is still the best sounding snare I have ever played.

  • @gareywilliams
    @gareywilliams 5 років тому

    This is great and really helps! Can you try a higher tuning?

  • @jerryjohnson2270
    @jerryjohnson2270 5 років тому

    Black Beauty then Supraphonic . I bought the BB with tube legs. My Question is what batter and reso heads for two snares i like to see for that. Thanks

  • @FlamaFlanga
    @FlamaFlanga 5 років тому +6

    Still hard to beat the straight up LM402.

  • @onanskiespg
    @onanskiespg 4 роки тому

    great video can you share the tune bot measurements in the 1st tuning. thanks

  • @manifestgtr
    @manifestgtr 5 років тому +17

    Man..that cob 402 is incredible....
    Ludwig really never bested the supras when it comes to “default, good metal snare sound”. The black beauty is its own thing, IMO. It sounds incredible but I don’t think it can compare with the 400 and 402 in terms of sheer versatility. You can do ANYTHING with a decent supra

  • @thomasmoje5926
    @thomasmoje5926 5 років тому

    Generally prefer wood shell snare drums but I'd take that Copper Phonic..love that sound!

  • @bondbondingsweeney
    @bondbondingsweeney 5 років тому +5

    Bronze

  • @miked5487
    @miked5487 4 роки тому

    wow what kick drum is that? it sounds amazing.

  • @CoachNation
    @CoachNation Місяць тому

    Black Beauty and the Supraphonic are the best sounding to me, with an edge going to the Black Beauty.

  • @escobanhc1307
    @escobanhc1307 3 роки тому +6

    Request: can you do a Black Magic vs. Black Beauty shootout?

    • @escobanhc1307
      @escobanhc1307 3 роки тому

      can u ? :)) both with diecast in 6,5 or 8.

  • @DJFalkoHannover
    @DJFalkoHannover 5 років тому +2

    Black Beauty!

  • @danielvibe7139
    @danielvibe7139 5 місяців тому

    Super video

  • @jcw91371
    @jcw91371 5 років тому +2

    Raw Brass! There's a lot of mileage and range in that snare.

  • @diferberrezuetaneira9187
    @diferberrezuetaneira9187 5 років тому +5

    Lm 402

  • @freddiebishop2553
    @freddiebishop2553 5 років тому

    I like the Black Beauty and Supraphonic

  • @curtisjohnson1103
    @curtisjohnson1103 3 роки тому

    I love the copper because of the sound approach but it’s something about that raw brass it’s deeper and has a lower range

  • @jorgeadelgado77
    @jorgeadelgado77 4 роки тому

    Could you share tune-bot tuning?
    Thanks!
    Black Beauty for the win!

  • @mickerzsnickerz
    @mickerzsnickerz 5 років тому

    Love my Supraphonic. That Copper Phonic tho... 👌

  • @hippydippy
    @hippydippy 5 років тому +1

    Black Beauty all the way! I'm a proud owner of a 1975 BB.

  • @sethjohnson6539
    @sethjohnson6539 2 роки тому

    The black beauty and the supraphonic.but the others sounded great

  • @sn47som
    @sn47som 5 років тому +1

    fantastic guys stellar content!

    • @drumcenternh
      @drumcenternh  5 років тому

      Thanks so much, Mark. Glad you liked it!

  • @mickgentry8128
    @mickgentry8128 4 роки тому

    Black Beauty, Raw Brass, Supraphonic brass, copperphonic was cool also.