I'm a clinical psychologist and I really think your experimental work and the theoretical informations that you produce are at least at the same level of quality that what I learned in university. Thank you guys.
Woaaah, it's so cool, the way he is actually accurately describing his Fi without realising it. As a lead Fi user, I'm discovering the opposite - how important company can be at times. Like, at times, letting those people fiddle with your thermostat can actually be helpful. They might have insights you won't have, might have realised things you didn't and might point out things that are so obvious that you're not seeing because you're too close to the picture
@@FrownyMascot umm you know what, sure, why not. Edit: Ping me on insta, I guess. UA-cam doesn't have the DM feature anymore. (There's only one person by my name)
Hit the nail on the head. Taking responsibility for my emotions is something I've struggled with for years. I've given too much power to my surrounding.
I'm fFe/mTi tho, so Ed doesn't apply directly to me, but it helps me understand all these Te people in my life. And if I work the math I can calculate how it does apply to me
My fFe/mTi works in the same way, but inside-out. I'm easily moved my the values and priorities of my people. But I've discovered that I need to lock in on my personal Ti Truth
There's a whole psychological theory based on "thermostats" (or, more precisely, negative feedback loops of the form "behaviour is the control of perception"): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_control_theory
This is really interesting. I’ve always been extremely sensitive to my environment and felt like my emotions are something out of my control, an entity almost entirely separate from myself that I “handle” by chaining up in the basement. The “leaf on the wind” analogy is perfect-I’ve likened my experience to being a ship in a storm. And this is where I get confused because other type theorists would say this could be extroverted feeling parent with introverted feeling critical parent, but you’re saying it’s because of demon introverted feeling. Verrrry interesting. Honestly I have no idea what I am anymore (outside of being an intuitive).
Same basically! Only recently am I starting to learn how to manage my feelings and that's by working on accepting them as actually part of who I am. I also thought I had Fe but now I'm starting to think I might actually have demon Fi.
Hmmm... enfp here: there have been many occasions where I feel and emotion and I wonder, "Where did that come from?" And I have to track it to it's cause. Making me wonder whether I'm a jumper... 🤔 Interesting video. Thanks. More to think about. ☺️
I know this might be considered low brow but please do a video incorporating The Tiger King! I think they're all mostly a bunch of crazy SPs. Except for Carol and her husband, who knows what's going on there
Soooooo, I can mostly control my outward expression but I still end up feeling the same feeling. So that all ends up just feeling fake. Doing that enough ends up cutting me off from my Fi. Is this suggesting I build my outside world in a way that allows me to maintain my desired emotional state? But then he talks about identity. I can build an identity of feeling/processing/recovering my feelings, but I do no yet believe I could ever really build an identity that would stop my feminine Fi from “moving.”
How??? How do you control it? I’ve tried everything! I had a tidal wave recently. I was getting stressed and overwhelmed with having to do university from home and not being able to see my boyfriend. I lost all motivation to do any of my work, felt that I hated it and wanted to give up. My grades dropped. I cried almost every day. I felt physically ill, my skin lost its colour. Then it just stopped. I’m fine now.
What causes conspiracy theory obsession? I would love you guys to address the issue of conspiracy theories as they seem to be spreading like a viral epidemic in this age of viral epidemic. How does it relate to the functions? It seems to me out of control N (hyper pattern recognition driven by fear). Some refer to schizotypy which also predisposes one to woo-woo spiritual beliefs. I have many friends with both afflictions. (Holy comorbidity Batman!)
Wait. I apologize, but, I don't see the connection you're making here. Like, to me, it doesn't sound/look as though he's using reasons to give himself permission to feel. That (feeling) appears to be very easy for him. I see/hear him using reasons to *not* feel. I.E. Not feel like ripping the scan results outta the Docs hands... Not cry in front of people... Not feel like not working out... Please help. 😐
I think he's using reasons to move his feelings/values in the direction he wants them to go. The hard part seems to be directing/controlling feelings, not feeling them in the first place. That's my understanding :)
@Elisabetta Eaglesham First of all, *Thank You* for taking the time to explain. I thoroughly appreciate it. Also, I enjoy(ed) your explanation. Like, in the video, she/shan uses the word: "Responsible." As in: "Thinkers need to learn how to be 'responsible' for their emotions." It sounds like she means: "'Accountable' for." Which, without your explanation/perspective, just doesn't make sense to me. I'm still not sure how it specifically relates to his type... And/nor if Shan intends how you clarified it... But, I actually full on get (and actually agree with) what you mean. I.E. He's learning how to use "reasons" as "leverage" to prevent being *clobbered* by his emotions...(?) I'm just not so sure that means his feeling is inferior. Thoughts? Anyhow.. Thanks again! 🙏
@@dolfdervish8495 No problem! I'm also trying to figure out what the difference between a saviour and demon function is. In this case I think what Shan meant with "learn how to be responsible for" is that Thinkers need to take the responsibility of managing their own feelings, so yes be accountable for them, and not let themselves be 'clobbered' by them, as you put it. And how they can do it is through their saviour T function. If Feeling were his saviour he would naturally feel responsible for his feelings and know how to manage them without having to resort to reasoning with them. Does that make sense?
@Elisabetta Eaglesham Hmmm.... So, like, if feeling is one's "savior" function, they/we might be like: "Hold on folks... This is a thing..." Or, *"What bish ahm cryin'! Hol'up or haul out!!!"* ?
I am not sure if I want to be Thinker or Feeler. Thinker: Most of the time, you are good (or great) problem solver aka You are f...king brilliant. But sometime, you are so stupid, you can't handle your own emotion. Feeler: I can handle my emotion really well (most of the time). I know how to handle something those problem solvers cannot do. But, Mostly, I am stupid. I, only, sometime .... smart :(.
Thinkers who believe that they can't be influenced by their emotions, because they are totally rational, are like plumbers who believe their basement can't flood, because they're plumbers.
I'm a clinical psychologist and I really think your experimental work and the theoretical informations that you produce are at least at the same level of quality that what I learned in university. Thank you guys.
what does your username mean?
Come for the type/life lessons. Stay for the memes.
Mr. 8-Bit Doggo whoa, I kinda do! That’s the first “looks like” I agree with. I wonder if we’re a similar type.
Woaaah, it's so cool, the way he is actually accurately describing his Fi without realising it. As a lead Fi user, I'm discovering the opposite - how important company can be at times. Like, at times, letting those people fiddle with your thermostat can actually be helpful. They might have insights you won't have, might have realised things you didn't and might point out things that are so obvious that you're not seeing because you're too close to the picture
I like this, lead Fi as well... I got to stop shutting others out, wanna dm me maybe?
@@FrownyMascot umm you know what, sure, why not.
Edit: Ping me on insta, I guess. UA-cam doesn't have the DM feature anymore. (There's only one person by my name)
I’m the exact same type as Ed, and this has given me so much perspective and inspiration to work on my F-Fi.
What type is that?
MM TeSi BPCS
Hit the nail on the head. Taking responsibility for my emotions is something I've struggled with for years. I've given too much power to my surrounding.
This shade of yellow looks so good on you, Shan!
RESEARCH:THINKERS VS FEELERS:Like if you have demon feeling.
No
@@nottjonathan thank you. just no.
Ok... You must have a good REASON.😉
This is one of the best OP YT videos yet. Need to meditate on this one once a month
I'm fFe/mTi tho, so Ed doesn't apply directly to me, but it helps me understand all these Te people in my life. And if I work the math I can calculate how it does apply to me
My fFe/mTi works in the same way, but inside-out. I'm easily moved my the values and priorities of my people. But I've discovered that I need to lock in on my personal Ti Truth
There's a whole psychological theory based on "thermostats" (or, more precisely, negative feedback loops of the form "behaviour is the control of perception"): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_control_theory
I’m loving this complementary color clothes you too wearing, so eye pleasing. Reminds of your old logo on yt
This is really interesting. I’ve always been extremely sensitive to my environment and felt like my emotions are something out of my control, an entity almost entirely separate from myself that I “handle” by chaining up in the basement. The “leaf on the wind” analogy is perfect-I’ve likened my experience to being a ship in a storm. And this is where I get confused because other type theorists would say this could be extroverted feeling parent with introverted feeling critical parent, but you’re saying it’s because of demon introverted feeling. Verrrry interesting. Honestly I have no idea what I am anymore (outside of being an intuitive).
Same basically! Only recently am I starting to learn how to manage my feelings and that's by working on accepting them as actually part of who I am. I also thought I had Fe but now I'm starting to think I might actually have demon Fi.
You both deserve more subscribers 👍
Hmmm...
enfp here: there have been many occasions where I feel and emotion and I wonder, "Where did that come from?" And I have to track it to it's cause. Making me wonder whether I'm a jumper... 🤔
Interesting video. Thanks. More to think about. ☺️
Yep! Exactly how Dave described it. I can have emotions all day but need reasons in order to "do" them, certain ones at least
4:21 that got me too, omg... So good
Can kinda relate to Shannon as an intp
And that’s why I really limit the people I allow in my intimate circle
I know this might be considered low brow but please do a video incorporating The Tiger King! I think they're all mostly a bunch of crazy SPs. Except for Carol and her husband, who knows what's going on there
Dang! Good stuff!
Soooooo, I can mostly control my outward expression but I still end up feeling the same feeling. So that all ends up just feeling fake. Doing that enough ends up cutting me off from my Fi. Is this suggesting I build my outside world in a way that allows me to maintain my desired emotional state? But then he talks about identity. I can build an identity of feeling/processing/recovering my feelings, but I do no yet believe I could ever really build an identity that would stop my feminine Fi from “moving.”
How??? How do you control it? I’ve tried everything!
I had a tidal wave recently. I was getting stressed and overwhelmed with having to do university from home and not being able to see my boyfriend. I lost all motivation to do any of my work, felt that I hated it and wanted to give up. My grades dropped. I cried almost every day. I felt physically ill, my skin lost its colour.
Then it just stopped. I’m fine now.
I hated that d@nm analogy in college, LOL!!
What causes conspiracy theory obsession? I would love you guys to address the issue of conspiracy theories as they seem to be spreading like a viral epidemic in this age of viral epidemic. How does it relate to the functions? It seems to me out of control N (hyper pattern recognition driven by fear). Some refer to schizotypy which also predisposes one to woo-woo spiritual beliefs. I have many friends with both afflictions. (Holy comorbidity Batman!)
Surya Coapy observers!
They did a video about this
Thanks guys. I'll have a look for it.
Wait. I apologize, but, I don't see the connection you're making here.
Like, to me, it doesn't sound/look as though he's using reasons to give himself permission to feel.
That (feeling) appears to be very easy for him.
I see/hear him using reasons to *not* feel.
I.E. Not feel like ripping the scan results outta the Docs hands...
Not cry in front of people...
Not feel like not working out...
Please help.
😐
I think he's using reasons to move his feelings/values in the direction he wants them to go. The hard part seems to be directing/controlling feelings, not feeling them in the first place. That's my understanding :)
@Elisabetta Eaglesham
First of all, *Thank You* for taking the time to explain. I thoroughly appreciate it.
Also, I enjoy(ed) your explanation.
Like, in the video, she/shan uses the word:
"Responsible."
As in:
"Thinkers need to learn how to be 'responsible' for their emotions."
It sounds like she means:
"'Accountable' for."
Which, without your explanation/perspective, just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm still not sure how it specifically relates to his type...
And/nor if Shan intends how you clarified it...
But, I actually full on get (and actually agree with) what you mean.
I.E. He's learning how to use "reasons" as "leverage" to prevent being *clobbered* by his emotions...(?)
I'm just not so sure that means his feeling is inferior.
Thoughts?
Anyhow..
Thanks again! 🙏
@@dolfdervish8495 No problem! I'm also trying to figure out what the difference between a saviour and demon function is.
In this case I think what Shan meant with "learn how to be responsible for" is that Thinkers need to take the responsibility of managing their own feelings, so yes be accountable for them, and not let themselves be 'clobbered' by them, as you put it. And how they can do it is through their saviour T function.
If Feeling were his saviour he would naturally feel responsible for his feelings and know how to manage them without having to resort to reasoning with them.
Does that make sense?
@Elisabetta Eaglesham
Hmmm....
So, like, if feeling is one's "savior" function, they/we might be like:
"Hold on folks...
This is a thing..."
Or,
*"What bish ahm cryin'! Hol'up or haul out!!!"*
?
@@dolfdervish8495 Mmh yep something like that! 😆
I am not sure if I want to be Thinker or Feeler.
Thinker: Most of the time, you are good (or great) problem solver aka You are f...king brilliant. But sometime, you are so stupid, you can't handle your own emotion.
Feeler: I can handle my emotion really well (most of the time). I know how to handle something those problem solvers cannot do.
But, Mostly, I am stupid. I, only, sometime .... smart :(.
RESEARCH THINKERS VS FEELERS:Like of you have demon thinking.
INFP goes huh.
Thinkers who believe that they can't be influenced by their emotions, because they are totally rational, are like plumbers who believe their basement can't flood, because they're plumbers.