MIT Debate Preview with Heather MacDonald and Pat Kambhampati
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion ideology has swept through the academy like a prairie fire. The most troubling conflagration has been in the sciences, where the scientific ideal of the objective search for truth is being transformed into an ongoing class struggle session. Science and technology are being harmed as a result.
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has not escaped, with the MIT administration enthusiastically fanning the flames. In response, a group of MIT alumni formed the MIT Free Speech Alliance (MFSA). Their first project was to organize an open and free debate on the question: Should academic DEI programs be abolished?
Join the National Association of Scholars on April 4th at 11 am ET for a preview of that debate with Heather MacDonald and Pat Kambhampati.
Our guests on this special episode of Restoring the Sciences will be Heather MacDonald, Thomas W Smith Fellow and Contributing Editor at the Manhattan Institute, and Pat Kambhampati of McGill University, who will team to defend the Pro side of the question. Both have been prominent opponents of DEI ideology and defenders of the ideals of free enquiry and intellectual independence of the sciences.
Please join us at 11 am ET for a preview of what is to come on the debate stage. If you would like to register for the full debate later that evening, follow this link: www.mitfreespeech.org/2023-de....
I'm very surprised MIT would hold this debate seeing as how it presents realities that contradict its new-found religion
I love the fact that Heather has no problem saying it was "White Males" that gave us all these things.
She wouldn't be a logical and factual thinker if she could not state facts! Otherwise she would be the same as those woke folks she despised!
it is horrific holocots denial lie to say that lysenko caused famine. why then most of the victims were ethnic ukrainians who were rural population. out of 7 million at least 5. lysenko policies were implemented in agriculture in late 30-es way more widely. there were set of stalinist policies like food requisition and refusing to take to orphanage ukrainian peasant children blocking villages and borders criminalizing word famine and grain gleaning etc. shame on him he should be arrested. lysenko was popularized by issak prsent in soviet union his collaborator and bully of soviet scientists.
In 1981 I was a h.s. senior in the first public honors school in Buffalo, NY. I was a lazy student yet still managed good grades. All students took an admissions test and had to have a history of strong academic performance. When the school expanded its middle school in 1980, an article appeared in the school newspaper explaining the need for greater diversity and that admission standards were going to change. At 17 y.o. I knew what this meant. In response, I wrote an op ed for the school newspaper discussing the importance of merit and that standards should not be sacrificed to satisfy admission numbers. A friend, who was the editor of this paper accepted and published it. I only had one critic. He was a new middle school sociology teacher who I never met. He felt very emboldened to call me a racist. I knew he was wrong. My B.A. in Art History unfortunately did not inspire further pursuit for a masters in the 1980's because the conversations at SUNY Buffalo were all about activism in art. Like Heather, I am deeply bereft witnessing the degradation of beauty in the arts and sciences. I remain happiest surrounded by beauty in all forms in my home. I am gladly self employed and speak about the scourge of DEI with everyone. I am starting to see older people with better understanding and younger millenials/older gen z embracing western traditions and values. Sorrowful and hopeful here.
How about the Ebonics program in the 70’s holding minorities to a lower standard . It got so much criticism , they changed the name . Eliminating advancement for minorities in a first world society is absurd and turning us into a second world one . Instead of lifting up he bottom to the top it’s been flipped upside down .
IQ !!!!!
Shocked MIT allows this type of enlightened discource today.
No Academic should ever be an advocate for anything but the process of inquiry. Administrators are not educators. Pat is completely correct about the nature of academics...cowards and narcissists who care much more about their careers than the institutions and disciplines that support and create them. Many bought in to the critical theory crap in the late 70's and early 80's because the Humanities were dying and all the funding was going to STEM fields. These people actually think the Humanities are scientific in the same way hard sciences are while using these theories. I was the in-house attorney to an Ivy and know what happened first hand. The Academics created this problem because they are cowards.
Stating the obvious is way overdue--
thankfully the emperor's nakedness is now being articulated here.
Good job, Heather and Pat.
6:14 Mac Donald: "... I will not be surprised if the trans madness morphs into something even more contrary to the very reality of human life."
And what is the 'reality' of human life?
@@themaskedman221 I believe she is referring to the binary nature of sexual reproduction.
@@maxdibus Which nobody denies. Gender is not sex.
Excellent: The DEI takeover of the STEM areas is now complete when they now have a DEI person sitting on the facility hiring committees with effective veto power.
Selection is based upon which checkboxes you can check that are irrelevant to who you are and what you know.
Oh Heather........ I wish you were right about Paul Vallas winning Chicago. Never underestimate the self destruction these people are oblivous to.
39:20 is the most important section.
need to start a new university that only uses 100% merit ie test scores, MCATs , LSATs etc...
So what you’re saying is you’re a racist?! 😂
I am a Bernie-voting Democrat, but even I am on the side of Heather and other rational leaders who find hyper-wokeism ridiculous. If Dems keep this up they will lose in 2024, and they deserve to! We need you Heather MacDonald to run for president, along with John McWhorter and Glenn Loury and Coleman Hughes. All four of you would make a hell of an administration and would help restore rationality and international respect.
Why, then, do you still vote Marxist?
Did you start taking your medication to finally see the reality of the benie democrats as well as the left wing lunacy?
You're right. The Dems are pretty obtuse about the depth of public resentment of wokeism. That could result in electoral disaster in 2024.
Same here.
Interesting that this DEI corporate strategy was adopted after the financial/bank bail out. Every bank, large corporation is promoting this crap.
Woke-washing, trans-washing the crimes of big pharma who is setting themselves up to rake in billions by creating an entire class of medically dependent people by mutilating healthy children.
Game of Thrones comes to mind...Cersei giving the radical religious zealots the power to militarize themselves, not understanding that they would take over everything.
These fools supporting this Marxism don't even realize they will be eaten alive.
You go Heather. 👊🏽
I agree with what is being said here about the pernicious effects of the social justice, DEI wokeism and how the leftist agenda is harming the academy. But I do take issue with the charge that those of us STRUGGLING to teach in universities are cowardly. I’ve been through three inquisitions and survived. And I see myself as the voice of reason in a sea of insanity for my students. I teach American Government and California Politics. Avoiding politics not an option for me, but I’ve opened the eyes of hundreds of mostly minority students.
Keep up the good fight. You certainly are brave, but I think the issue of cowardice falls mostly on the people who should be expected to defend your bravery: your department chairs, deans, administrations, and to some extent your colleagues.
It’s my Chair and the administrators that have targeted me. My colleagues don’t speak to me anymore because they’re scared to be associated with anyone who is not in lock step.
You are one of way too few exceptions. It wouldn’t be where we are if that wasn’t the case.
DIE it is spelt DIE - for obvious reasons!
Wear a body cam and save the recordings.
It's nice to see a real intellectual debate--the absolute converse which occurs on college campuses these days.
49:37 "Other Ways Of Knowing" is the mantra from EhD schools, and recently written into the proposed New Math curriculum for California. There's been some pushback, but it has gone silent.
"The correct answer to that problem is 24.89. Quanisha holds that it's a bag of Doritos. She will receive full credit as she has an Other Way of Knowing."
When did a quanisha person get mentions? Is this a tribe from MIT campus area kind Sir
Excellent discussion.
All these irresponsible "activist" professors/administrators must be cut off from the money.
The trouble is they have other activist friends out there donating or fund raising from big corp.
Cut them off my not sending your kids to fascist colleges
God Bless You All...
Great podcast!
A wonderful discussion. Thank you, Restoring the Sciences!
Holden Thorp (born August 16, 1964), last year of Boomer years. His "luxury belief" is uniform inclusion and equity trumps meritocracy and equal opportunity. The greatest good for the greatest requires to him is a form of entropic socialism, the great leveling. In terms of cooking, a tasteless mess.
Brillant presentation!! Thank you!!
Glad you liked it! The actual debate was even better! Here's my review of the evening: www.nas.org/blogs/article/should-academic-dei-programs-be-abolished
At t = 55:00 I mention that I have made a specific policy of welcoming anyone - provided you want to join in the gang of rebel forces doing Ultrafast Laser Science.
When Heather speaks, I listen
I've been following Heather, she's great, but I wasn't familiar with the gentleman before, and his thoughts were the actual highlight of the conversation! Excellent!
I am a Dem but I totally support what Heather is talking about. We finally have people speaking the truth out loud. If we get rid of meritocracy, the system will eventually collapse. So we really need more people like Heather to stand up for the truth of our future. We don’t need collapsing building or bridges for our immediate future generation.
Eye opening
IQ !!! But they will NEVER say it. Heather, say: IQ !!!!!!!!!!!! Say it.
Is this truly happening at MIT?
Wow! I am amazed. Maybe things are changing, after all...
probably not
It was obviously a closed discussion...other wise there would have been riots.
@@johnj9267yes. Underground
I would like to thank Heather for her courage and wisdom in this crazy times. We can only hope that your message will get out to those who will act. The woke movement is a real threat to our society.
23:10 Competitive advantage. Comparative advantage is why the economics department secretary walks papers to the dean's office even though the department head walks faster than she does.
I am an art educator, who graduated in 1993 and I saw then that I could not continue to pay money for such cult like behaviors and beliefs. I put my efforts on high school students for decades. I am well educated on art history, criticism and production. These skills have been under direct attack, and in that process I went from being a favorite teacher to being witch hunted by a "mob" - being called a racist in a presentation the BIPOC students did, completely lying about me. I defended WHAT I said, when I was talking to 5 young women about sexism and bullying in the school. the witch hunt went on for a month and the school did nothing, then the admin just fired me on a Friday a month later. I have PTSD from the whole thing and I do not think I can ever teach again unless this whole nonsense is confronted.
I totally agree about the science- humanities debates. I went to a university, that started as a teacher's college. I went there because it was cheaper than art school but I was so glad I did because all of my friends were in sciences and philosophy. Art people were incredibly difficult to deal with and they were completely absorbed with themselves and were not often not that bright about other subjects...I shared interests with friends in geology, environmental science and cartography.
I think that science people and art people need to work together to get this message out using our knowledge and skills in concert. I think that people have become more drawn to visuals, and science is not always able to communicate to the masses who need to understand WHY this is all so very important. We need to understand that this is going to require DEPROGRAMING- with many people who have decades of these "trainings". And so many people have built THEIR careers on it. It is most concerning how they just keep creating these departments and admin with nonsense names, while the same schools have adjuncts protesting that they are treated like gig workers, cleaning and infrastructure people on strike while the schools refuse to see how they are building the spirals of silence
This insane belief in forced diversity and ignoring the facts reminds me of the Soviet debacle with Trofim Lysenko and his Lamarkian approach to biology, despite the fact that his views had already been debunked decades or even centuries before. In any other setting he would have been laughed out of the scientific world but the Soviet system and his bullying attitude allowed him to flourish. The same happened here with Ancel Keys and his seven countries study where he outright lied about his research in order to make it look as though fats were the cause of all things bad in our diets. He was also a bully who destroyed the careers of anyone who pushed back against him.
exactly. Lysenkoism brought great famine to USSR/ukraine - and set back soviet science by decades. I fear the same will happen here
You’ve made exactly the same points with the same examples as I was going to make! And so much better than I could have done. The turning around of these two bizarre “theories” took decades and, also, we can probably say that people actually died as a result of government support in the USSR ….and the USA..
Of these monstrosities.
Can't afford two microphones for your guests?
This could be a fascinating discussion if you devoted some attention to the most basic audio requirements, instead, the volume is all over the place.
Can't hear this !!!!!!!!!! Louder.
Thank God this was allowed at MIT and on youtube.
Right on the money, 41:00 mark
Heather MacDonald has said that the people who speak up against this get crushed. Who exactly is it then, that is doing the crushing? Do a majority of faculty believe in these ideas? If so, how did they get there, how did it happen that they took over? Or are they scared themselves and do what they think they are expected to do in order to not get attacked themselves? If so, who are they afraid of? Somehow, I've never really been able to grasp who is behind all of this.
I thought a debate was between people of differing views. I agree with what you're ALL saying, but it would be interesting to hear you face off against the wokests.
Selecting closed captions will mitigate the low audio.
Where is the actual debate? Did it ever happen? I suspect not.
Sound: it gets better at 11:44 onward.
The participants said all those correct things, but they were banal in a sense they didn’t even try to answer two crucial questions: 1) who is responsible for all this horror, who are those all-powerful administrators? And who gave THEM power to destroy science? 2) and the second question, how to remove those administrators from universities and close down all these departments of DEI? So the discussion was not practical
I wish this host would speak into the microphone already!
Very sad!
Greetings from Europe.
Great conversation but not a "debate".
It's the same in medicine. Never mind discovery we neglect diagnosis in favor of treatments, profitable treatments and the administrator’s salary. DEI was a way to do just that.
I want to say that hearing this discussion, which is somewhat uncommon in its univocality, I havefound myself in complete agreement and there is a level of real comfort like in hearing an old and beloved song once again after a long absence. BUT this is not the way I have become accustomed to think. It is not my lived experience anymore,nor has been for a very long time. In the 'eighties my belief in these ideals was utterly shattered at the hands of my faculty's 'advisory committee at university. Ever since I have been at war with the virtue-signalers and consequently, have lost sight of the world Pat and Heather come from.
47:32 Buddy Guy contemporary of Rolling Stones, who were actually a bit before Buddy, and RS never surpassed Howlin' Wolf or Muddy Waters, but at least never believed they did, so credit to Mick and Richards. Hey Pat, ironically, your nemesis, Holden Thorp, is a Jazz musician. Holden is his middle name, want bet he uses it in homage to "Holden Caufield"?
People are most fearful of 2 things. Fear and Pain. Those pushing this equity hypothesis within Institutions have everyone within those places walking on eggs with every word spoken and actions taken within those walls. Just visiting a University campus can be a quick study of how uncomfortable people are just conversing with each other.
I substantially agree, but I wish this had indeed been a “debate”, not three people who agree w each other.
It’s a preview of a debate that is to come.
Why do you want to hear the Marxist viewpoint, that is all we ever hear.
@@Powertuber1000 Hard disagree. We're swimming in Milton Friedman's free market, shareholder primacy ocean. We never hear other perspectives in the USA. Marx's ideas have been suppressed and distorted beyond all recognition thanks to the Red Scare, Cold War-era propaganda that never seems to die.
If you want a shot at waking up, do a google image search for "GDP per capita and median wage, 1980 to 2014" and look at the graph that comes up. Then ask yourself if Marx might have been correct about the labor theory of value, and how the worker inevitably gets ripped off, never seeing the true value of his or her labor. Anyone looking at the aforementioned graph who can't see that is living inside a deep delusion, because it hasn't been this bad since Marx's time.
The American worker is getting massively cucked. Maybe that includes you.
There isn’t a debate. Science of objective and the pro die loons know they cannot offer an objective argument
95% of our media is dedicated to destroying people like Pat and Heather. Enjoy!
8:23 I love all the speakers, this isn't a debate.
You're right. It's not a debate. It's a debate preview, the full debate occurred a little later on hosted by the MIT free speech alliance.
This is such “common sense” that it is mind boggling that we as a culture have been sucked into this ideology. “The Citizen” to refer to Victor D Hanson’s work is being replaced by satellite citizenship not hardened in the common sense of how cultures glue themselves to progress or thrive. Jordan Peterson’s work describes this behavior paradigm of the gulags of 1940’s & Russian’s Solzhenitsyn description of how administrative, not elected officials become rulers over those who are about good works. Our nature to use our natural characteristics of trust, faith, negotiation of meritocracy to achieve control over the citizenship of a free country.
We as a country, have done more in the last 20 yrs, to raise others out of world poverty & starvation than the 2000 yrs before.
Rosalind Franklin's work on the X-ray diffraction images of DNA while at King's College London had a "gendered" element.
You ought to spell it out: She did all the brain-work, and her male bosses received all the credit, which included a Nobel prize, right?
Defund the PSEUDO SCIENCES
can't hear either of the men's voice
I love the argument - since , according to the left, gender is a social construct; when someone accuses me of the lack of diversity- I can reply - Absolutely not!! I have those guys who identify themselves as women, so we are fine !!! I should have thought about that before
Great talk but not much of a debate unfortunately
40:00 “The “male” fascination to pursue ideas…” as evidenced in that famous “male” Marie Curie…
Oh congratulations, you found the rare outlier, care to name another 10 more just off the top of your head?? (no google allowed!), yeah I didn't think so.
@@RancidPrune Yup, I was gonna say it too. Men preferring idea/things and women people/relationships has been studied in psychology/psychiatry. And right on cue, somebody arguing the veracity of that finding via an anecdote rears it's ugly head. Predictable.
Grow up, it’s overwhelmingly and predominantly men. In fact you proved in rare with your example who was in fact a rare outlier 😂
Seems you mistook a "general comment" as a "Law" (of the Jungle), and figured you could destroy it by citing a single contrary-fact. That'd work in the "hard-sciences", but not here, nor anywhere near the social sciences ... especially economics.
Pat makes a good point about the female property of having a unique type of thinking and therefore must be included to n equal or indeed greater than equal proportion.
Privilege is earned? Go tell the heirs, the overpaid and the finance vultures.
Big fan of Heather McDonald. Speaks the truth.
Host likes the term 'dust up' Speaking of which when you 'dust up' senior black intellectuals like Thomas Sowell, Dr Ben Carson, Larry Sewall, you get the reality of obtaining success in America: ¡Hard work! ¡Personal responsibility! ¡Foster positive support!
Love heather
Talking about Lysenko and also courage, these geneticists are noted as having been executed because they would not accept his theories: Izrail Agol, Solomon Levit, Grigorii Levitskii, Georgii Karpechenko and Georgii Nadson, according to Wiki. Others ended up in the gulag.
While the famine in the Ukraiine occured in the 30s, China also went all in on Lysenko, with the result that they had a "Great Famine", much latter in '50-'62, that killed 15-55 million people...
Can the audience ever just ASK THE QUESTION and skip your soliloquy?
Merit not skin color
My pension!!! My promised land!
by proxy in accordance with the thoughts of B Franklin; you will receive neither 😡
Hello world.
Gen-Z coming to the rescue. Yeah!!
Is that a pack of cigarettes sitting in front of the microphone?
kleenex tissues pocket pack
"Entropic Socialism". I give license for everyone to use it.
She is amazing. I can hardly believe she exists. I already knew he was solid. But the moderator seems not to realize that he is himself a prime example of the academic cowards that he makes excuses for.
Hmm, I'm curious what you thought was cowardly.
Only one side?
Using the left wing logic, the US legal system is the most sexist, as men outnumber women in jails. Can you criticize police officers sexist???
Brilliant comment. Never thought of that one bit.
As is the nfl nba etc
Isn’t this the place that still has vaccine mandates 😂😂😂. Follow the science 🙊🙉🙈
MIT has apparently applied DIE principles in hiring sound engineers....would 3 adjusted microphones be racist?
I tend to agree with Prof. Kambhampati that we, the hard scientists, are more cowardly. I say that because we have more options than the people in the social sciences because of the obvious objectivity of our field and its UNIVERSALLY accepted connection with technology. I decamped to Japan in 1995. I got a 10 years visa for China this year. Our skills are universally applicable. As Gad Saad likes to say, you cannot build a bridge using post-modernist physics. Guess what, Chinese understand this perfectly despite their "Marxist" regime.
A guy like Terrence Tao, the great mathematician, if he told UCLA screw affirmative action, screw wokism, screw DIE, etc.... he could easily do it because the Chinese, for example, would roll a red carpet for him. UCLA would be 100% screwed.
I am an absolute schmuck compare to Tao, and yet the Asians gave me a job and I publicly attacked DIE etc....
They could never crush Dr. Tao despite Mrs. MacDonald's statement.
You say, "I got a 10 years visa for China this year." Good for you, and good luck getting yourself, and your family, out of China.
@@neilanderson891
Already out of China.
I have a visa for scholars of high repute given for free from the Embassy direct: no waiting in line. I went there and worked for 2 months.
I can return anytime and I will and they pay good money. But most importantly, no woke shit. 100% physics with smart young people.
I was so excited that I worked 7 days a week taking only one day off in 2 months.
Try to do that in McGill University. Good luckl. The Universities in Canada are parasitically infested to the core.
In Canada, they "decolonize light", they praise BLM and Floyd while spitting for example on the 7 Quebeckers killed by Boko Haram.
In China, try to disturb my work with Muslim BS or woke crap. Impossible. You will end up with a bullet in the back of your head.
We need more Jewish Plumbers, construction workers, builders, etc. LOL! Which group has all the pieces to the puzzle?
Sour grapes, whereby failure to identify intersectional disparities as a baby boomer, leads one to conclude millennium assertions on DEI must, through necessity, be crazy?
Wow, you are so deep.
Don't really agree with the reference to third world, I mean just because third world has issues does not mean we should not progress
When the institutions fall AI takes over! Awake yet?
I absolutely support the merit-based functioning of any University. I don't really see any reason for DEI to exist or any reasons in all those race and women studies. Still, names like Pereson raise questions. He doesn't look like a professional, he is a charlatan. So how really do you judge a person based on merit?
Do you think that if statistically women are not interested in STEM you shouldn't accept them for the position? This is what the Google memorandum person implied. Maybe then it would be good to hide the identity of a person that you consider for grants and awards? Change the voice, and hide the image when they do presentations. I think we have technical solutions for that.
There is also a problem of authority in science. It was always tough to challenge the authority. Indeed many challengers to the established theory could fail to propose anything better. Indeed some of perpetum mobile ideas should be cut off from the start because they are simply stupid. But there could be some ideas that change the consensus eventually and they should be given attention.
There is very good evidence in the last years that any race or gender could give the new talented scientists. Actually, the diversity efforts gave us a more diverse pool of talented researchers. We see more diversity among the prominent scientists in every field. There are certain problems in the society. There is a problem that some races and genders are disproportionally unexposed to education. Some of them are intimidated from expressing their ideas. We could have a bias then we judge certain genders or races more harshly for mistakes and praise them less for the same achievement. It is hard to equalize, I think it is much better now than it was in the 80s for example. At least we can condemn racist or misogynist jokes on campus.
Quantum mechanics was developed in GULAG... I am from the USSR. No, it was not developed in GULAG. It was developed by people who had enough wealth to put themselves through school and to be able to survive looking for a few years for positions in Universities :). In the USSR Landau did get in trouble with Kremlin, but he was lucky because Kapitza asked Kremlin for him. Kapitza had an opportunity to study in the UK, Kremlin was very interested in bringing him to Russia. Indeed life in the USSR was not as good for him as it could be in the UK, but definitely, he was not an ordinary person in the USSR.
It is surprising that Pat forgot India in the list of innovators and contributors to science and mathematics when the European world was in the dark ages of barbarism. Credit where credit is due. Also, Culture appropriation is not wrong, but credit must be given where due. The issue becomes when credit is not given.
It seems to me that the panel speakers are on the other extreme of this debate. The issue is that neither side is suggesting a solution that is very obvious, improve the training so that it is a bit more equitable. Instead of working in their own institutions on solutions to this issue, they should be working on solutions to the problem. Part of the reason why they are on the wrong side of this argument is because they do not believe that as individuals at the cutting edge of their fields, they really do not have any social responsibility. They are wedded to science and societies problems are not theirs. It is such attitude that has really brought this upon them. It is really not difficult for these folks instead of sitting here and debating, organize summer training programs that are completely paid for to bring students from underprivileged backgrounds and train them at their institutions. This is not difficult to accomplish. Neither side is really interested in welfare of anyone really at least that is what is evident here. I do not see these folks venturing out into the underprivileged neighborhoods and volunteering to teach perhaps in their free time or take a sabbatical and do so. At the end of the day, we are all looking out for ourselves and that is not wrong. However, giving back to society is a good thing. When we do not do so and inequity builds we run into these situations.
Some of the big anti-woke podcasters should interview Pat.
Pat, what do you think of California's anti-caste legislation?
I am a woman of color, I experienced hate, all my colleagues got offended on my behalf - OMG! I am also a scientist, I predicted problems that was later corroborated with evidence. For years, I am not allowed to give a seminar to discuss the data and science - that is ok, because no one at work called me a slur or slapped my butt.
I work with a brown scientist. It is ok to pay his less, no one was bothered… but someone called him “turban guy” - all hell broke loose….
DEI is about policing languages, not protecting rights
The discussion about Marxism has nothing to do with Marx or Marxism. That’s just plan ignorant.
I am a conservative black man who is against wokeness; nevertheless, sometimes Heather McDonald comes across as a little racist.
Leopards ate my face.
I completely disagree. She is one of few intellectuals who dares call a spade a spade.
@@Martin-jd3oc she and Amy Wax seem to harbor ideas that cut close white supremacist ideology.
What the heck is a little? You are nothing, and will endure as such.
She is racist.
ARE YOU SURE YOU AREN’T DISCUSSING “” RESTORING THE RIDICULOUS NONSENSE “ ! ! ? 😳🧐🤮
Heather MacDonald continues to do the Lords work...yes, I know she's an atheist...doesn't matter, God uses whom he chooses...
First introduction to Pat Kambhampati...👍
A non woke Canadian ?
Some of us Canadians are realists rather than "non-woke".
This isn’t a debate, this is a diatribe.
You’re right, this isn’t a debate. It’s the debate PREVIEW with one of the teams.
it isn't supposed to be a debate...not yet.
lol, beat me to it
Here is the actual debate: ua-cam.com/video/elG_zyZya5g/v-deo.html
And you aren’t a Chad, you are a plant.