Mercedes claim that Tesla Semi breaks the laws of physics proven correct
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Obviously nothing breaks the laws of physics (in this universe) there's only a lot of people around that failed physics.
"Breaking the laws of physics" usually means you're fudging the data....
Except objects witnessed by US armed forces personnel under sworn testimony in congressional inquiry .
@@joshuaherner7315 and that should tell you all you need to know about what their testimony is worth.....
Unless our understanding of the laws of physics is wrong. Newton's theory on gravity worked until it didn't and Einstein's relativity gave us a better understand, but even that is incomplete. Never think any "law" of physics is absolutely set in stone
@@joshuaherner7315 eyewitness testimony is among the least reliable forms of evidence. Our brains are pattern-matching and riddle-solving machines; they _will_ produce a result, regardless of how incomplete the data are.
When a CEO talk about physics, move on 😂
Don't take that "breaks the laws of physics" too literally. It's more a sign of showing that one is astonished by something - and not of believing that the natural laws physics is trying to describe have been broken.
Exactly. Funny how people seemingly took it seriously.
Tesla fans surely did
They shattered what truck manufacturers thought was possible. But even that stance has to make many assumptions. Tesla pushed the limits of what people thought was possible. However these trucks are new. They havent even reched half their lifespan. So the data is going to be skewed slightly. If everyone ran new fleets all the time efficiency in the trucks would shoot through the roof but so would costs.
Bet they burn spectacularly
If it overheats yeah, so will you if you had all the water taken out of you lol
I would love to see you do an episode focused on the Edison Motors electric semi that is being built for vocational and off road applications. Best description for the product is as a fully electric semi with a built in level three fast charger. It can drive for two hours off its batteries, then the generator kicks in and it can keep driving off generator power because it produces enough to charge the batteries at the same time. Drive two hours on batteries, keep driving while it charges for 40 minutes, go back to driving on batteries. Less than a third the fuel used to haul the same load over the same rout.
Yup, Edison motors was started by someone who worked in the logging industry. Originally meant for back woods mountain environments requiring extreme torque and far from the nearest charger but with the ability to regen with a load of logs as you made your downhill to market, this is genius application of an electric hybrid solution. Edison Motors is also building it's trucks using rugged truck design lessons learned from the grueling lumber industry. Edison's trucks remind me of locomotives (but without the weight). Not for everybody but quite cool.
- just need to add that the built in level 3 charger is diesel-electric (just like some of the Tesla megacharger sites' backup / peak supply).
Hybrids are a completely different story, Full EV semis would be a disaster.
@@user-vp1sc7tt4m So what you're saying is that there is a modern-day Tesla - Edison battle? I like Edison's chances this time around. 👍
Edison is a fraud product. that news broke a few months ago. it's a fraud product with scam numbers.
I have a degree in Physics (but it's very old, from the 70's and nuclear didn't become a viable profession). Did they change the laws of Physics while I wasn't looking?
Or maybe ... you know that those German companies sometimes have difficulties understanding laws (**cough dieselgate cough**).
Obviously no change in laws, and none were broken
😂😂😂
@@harmony3138 Well then, I like his views on physics and investment opportunities.
Actually thats their way to say Tesla is cheating.
@@harmony3138Hmm, look at the BYD company overall finance, if Tesla has BYD stats, Tesla's stock would tank like there is no tomorrow.
Electric trucks greatly reduces driver fatigue way less things to do shifting gears alone is tiring after while removing that aspect alone adding a extra quiet cabin and possible driver assist hey its better already if you ask me.
@Matthew.Sirrom To the point they get that relaxing drivers Fall Asleep.
I drove truck for a bit,well said.
We saw a Tesla semi truck break the law of physics out on interstate 5, and then it broke down on the side of the road. The funny thing was, they sent a diesel powered truck out to try to fix it. I guess that's why Tesla uses diesel truck to deliver their Tesla cars to their distributors!
Ouch! 😂
Is this supposed to be a "gotcha!"? When Tesla gets around to making repair trucks, they will also outperform ICE. No offense, just pointing out you don't have a point.
So diesel powered trucks don’t break down? Bad argument. Just because they don’t have the infrastructure in place yet doesn’t mean it’s a foolish venture. The same was said when cars were invented and people riding horses snickered when they broke down.
Wow - you witnessed all this? Like you were driving along and saw it, saw it break down, waited on the side of the road with it to watch a diesel truck tow it away? Sounds like horseshit…
After luten disaster , should change channel name to electric fire lighter !!!
It's not proven correct, no laws were broken, the Semi design was just shown to be more efficient than others.
Thanks Captain Obvious - we really thought Tesla did it
Or they lied teslagate
@@Encourageable obvious yes, but Sam and countless others still use the meaningless term
It's Australian shorthand for saying that Mercedes was basically saying that Tesla was LYING.
@remakeit2628 yes, but that was a very vague comment by Mercedes, and if you're accusing someone of lying, you should state facts and be specific. Mercedes didn't understand the technology or efficiencies of the Semi, so they made a vague criticism
I see the Frito Lay Tesla semi on I-5 a lot now. At first it turned heads now you just pass them and move along!
I’ve been seeing them too!!!
Yea, you gotta pass then of you will be an hour late for wherever you are headed lol. I hate getting behind one on a hill. Electric will be nice but we just don't have it figured out yet.
Why would Mercedes make a brick shaped truck. Are they trying to increase drag coefficient?
Probably they didn’t retool the factory and produced a similar shape due to manufacturing limitations :/
It’s about vehicle length, which is limited for trucks. You can’t force all haulers to buy new trailers.
European laws are strict. They practically require that horrible design...
@@skydivekrazy76 I can understand this problem especially after driving on all the narrow, almost non-existent roads in Italy.
@@skydivekrazy76 Think I heard EU is looking to change that soon luckily.
Fun fact: You cannot break the laws of Physics, no matter what. So, Tesla did not break the laws of physics..... It is just that Mercedes is incompetent? Useless? Something along those lines.
Or tesla exaggerates.
Are you dense? They insinuated that Tesla lied
I heard that the competition was saying what Tesla claimed was impossible for a Truck (Tractor) to achieve. Tesla's secret? They designed a complete system involving both the Tractor and the Trailer. Designing holistically with both contributing to energy reclamation, the impossible became possible.
@@Rastor0 Yes a neat Jedi Mind trick.
@@komentierer Dense is the new norm educated
It would be interesting to know how much consumption increases from an empty Semi to a fully loaded one.
The Pepsi trucks and Frito Lay trucks don't have heavy loads even then. I'm currious if they can do the job hauling coiled steel.
@@joseph1150 Regardless of how heavy what you are carrying is, you have a legal weight limit for truck loads. The problem is damage to roads is estimated to vary with the fourth power of weight on an axle.
"It would be interesting to know how much consumption increases from an empty Semi to a fully loaded one."
This depends on effectiveness of regenerative braking. With perfect regeneration it wouldn't change much and with bad regeneration it would be close to linear with weight.
@@joseph1150 Pallets of soda syrup are quite heavy. Pepsi said that most trucks were loaded between 60 to 70k lbs, near the limit of normal semi trucks at 80k lbs, and Electric Semi trucks at 82k lbs.
@@jefflittle8913 You made a good comment about axle loads, and then you made a dumb comment on loaded vs empty semis. Come on. Its about F=ma, W=Fd, and Power=W/t, here with friction and heat losses. Heavy loads consume far more battery power, regen braking or not. If what you are saying were true, EV cars would have unlimited range but for limits on the efficiency of their regen braking. They do not.
With Hollywood having a writers strike I think there will be plenty of opportunities for these automotive "CEO"s to transition into new opportunities. I think they could make some great comedy shows.
The strike ended September 27th, 2023.
Viking - Semis are built in Reno/Sparks NV, not Las Vegas
Yes Reno is about 8 hours from last Vegas, no where near last Vegas, it is only about 3 hours from San Francisco where the cars are made
breaking the laws of physics?? That can't be legal!!
680kW battery = very big fire. 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
200-300 gallons of diesel = very big fire
How many of the test trucks burst into flames while charging or just sitting there? How many burst into flames after being involved in an accident?
Since about 200,000 American autos burst into flames every year, they have a long while to catch up.
@@lawrenceleske3470A fossil fueled vehicle fire can actually be suppressed quickly. EV's on fire have to burn out completely. This is a fact. Your comparison is apples to oranges seeing that you are comparing the century old automobile to a rebirth of a proven failure. Electric vehicles are a joke. Mark my words. The idea they are good for the planet is blasphemy.
If trying to make the case for fire safety EVs Vs IC it's important to show proportionality not raw numbers. It's also important to compare the two types of fire and the impact each has.
I don't know which comes out on top if you do that, but no matter what side of the fence you're on if you're not factoring for those two things then your view is nothing better than a guess.
Then we can look at scenarios under which the fires happen and see if that means anything.
It's probably also important to track the fire rate of early ic vehicles through to modern ones. Do we see a similar reduction curve per million vehicles for EVs the last 20 years Vs the first 20 years of mass IC production?
The issue is exposure. Over 600 IC vehicles per day catch fire. How many are reported in any media? 1 ev fire per week gets into the news. You are right, percentages count, but this is not a rational issue being debated, its perception badly skewed as misinformation. @@jezlawrence720
@@jezlawrence720 do your research,ICE cars have more fires than Ecars by% of vehicles.
This was a semi-good video! 😜
No hills, no wind, and less than a half load, thats how they broke the laws of physics
In the Run On Less tests, many of the runs were weighed-out loads of soft drinks, with a payload of 15 tons or more, climbing from near sea level at Sacramento, to 7200 feet at Donner Summit, on the way to Reno. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while; you're right about winds, which were pretty mild most days.
So according to the test they ran it was around 600 miles on American roads and at 80,000#’s only downside of that test was they ran at 55mph so that kind of sucks but otherwise I think it’s not bad for an electric semi
And running down hill !!!
lol big hill😂
@@lonesome187 You seem to be conflating two tests, but getting neither of them right. The 500 mile range test was run in December 2022, from Fresno, CA to San Diego, CA, with an average speed of about 55 MPH, consistent with the 55 MPH speed limit for trucks in California.
The Run On Less tests, which this video is about, recorded three Tesla Semis delivering weighed-out loads of soft drinks from the PepsiCo Sacramento Bottling Plant to various destinations on 44 24-hour days in September, averaging 617 miles a day, with a maximum of 1,076 miles in one day, at governed speeds of 60 or 62 MPH.
I am very happy to see this analyzed, when these statements were made some time ago, they were made with great gravitas and an aire of expertise. I remember thinking at the time, those so-called facts had better be correct and verifiable or they are just spewing more FUD under the guise of facts.
Now we see that they were indeed spreading disinformation designed to sow doubt.
When we mention physics, we should be talking about coefficient of drag. As @austinpowers1999 mentioned, why are they making a brick-shaped truck? Yes, European countries have length limitations but why is Mercedes designing a very tall cab when there isn't a huge diesel engine the driver is sitting on top of? The drive motors on the Tesla Semi are located between the rear wheels along with a cruising motor up front. If Mercedes and the other brick-shaped semi manufacturers simply followed the design of the Tesla Semi, adjusting the cab to sit forward but no more than 2/3rds the height of the Semi, this alone should help reduce their drag coefficient significantly. It's ~0.36 drag coefficient has to be much lower than the others. Do we have information on all the other semis on the road and those in design?
From Tesla Semi forum: "... amazing semi specs. 0.4 drag coefficient compared to 0.8 with a regular semi."
because the trailer has that heigth anyway.
Plenty of trucks even have an extra piece on top of the cabin to reduce air drag.
@@Robbedem I was thinking what they should do is streamline the trailer so that the front is more sloped. A small slope would not sacrifice much carrying capacity --especially if you don't load the truck to the ceiling. That way the cab height could be lowered even more and weight and air resistance reduced.
P.S. Yeah, I know most trailers are boxy and that they are stuck with using those, but if you could design a whole new cab/trailer...
@@kenbob1071sure, just replace the millions of trailers already out there, to be more sustainable, sure
P.S. forgot to read his P.S.
@@iaintdonknow uh, dude read my "P.S."
@@kenbob1071 missed it thanks
It is interesting that in different universes or different locations in our 3D universe there are different laws of physics in different areas of space time.
We are just beginning to scratch the surface of understanding how the laws of physics can vary. I'm glad we are growing in our understanding albeit very slowly.
This keeps us from expecting the same laws of physics everywhere.
To hell with cognitive dissonance and I celebrate new understanding when new facts are presented.
Charging EVs from 10%-60% then leaving the charger session seems to be the most efficient charge cycle for me and other EV owners. My recent road trip went smoothly and quickly using this method. My Model 3 ramped up to 250kw for quite a bit before starting to ramp down to 110kw before I unplugged and moved on. The America-record setting Porsche Taycan Cannonball used the 10%-60% to set their EV race record.
Ramp up ramp down.😅
remember that's harder to charge a battery over a certain percentage, so it's faster to charge to charge from 30 to 60% twice than from 30 to 90% once
Tesla car battery = Bomb.
Tesla truck battery = Neuclear bomb😂😂
You might be interested in what the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) says about this: " *It takes some time* for enough energy to accumulate to trigger thermal runaway in a battery. This makes them different from ICEVs, *which can be quickly ignited* by a spark or flame." Sounds like it's the ICEVs, not the EVs, that are blowing up.
@@BigBen621
What the cult fail to admit in all this is there are very few 'actual' petrol/diesel fires per se, rather there are electrical faults.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't there an electrical system in EVs also or am I dumb?
Couple that to the huge amount of fires in older cars which are caused by 'less than savoury' updates, guys doing their own stuff on their cars, fitting woofer systems, radios, new lighting systems etc etc and the figure for ICE car fires would be reduced to virtually nil.
Petrol needs an ignition and diesel is virtually impossible to light in a vehicle under normal driving conditions.
It will come to pass, once all the EVs are old enough, and young bucks get their hands on them, fit all the above mentioned and not only will you have their handy work to deal with, you will also have that bomb under your ass, wasting away just waiting to go boom.
They need to change the law about side mirrors and permit cameras to be used instead. That would reduce a lot of drag and wind noise. We really need to increase efficiency if we are going to battle climate change.
Maybe folding mirrors for highway and use cameras for lane changes at high speeds. Mirrors could be very useful for maneuvering in tight spaces. It’s hard for older eyes to see details in a screen vs maintaining focal range with mirrors.
The drag from mirrors on a big rig is unlikely to be a significant fraction of overall drag. Chances are, they could gain more by adding the skirts under the trailer and those flap things on the back of it. A trailer is a big brick being shoved through the air.
This is already allowed but I think its only for high value goods
We have always had climate change, the biggest were before man ever walked the earth. Man made global warming is a cult.
LMAO The sun controls the earth's climate. I don't fall for mainstream lies. Do some research please.
No patent from the US patent office if you break the laws of physics. 😊
Heavy battery = reduced cargo load = more trucks needed. How is this environmentally friendly?
Electric trucks are allowed an extra weight allowance.
@@jaaklucas1329 How very safe.
The problems with electric trucks, are totally mitigated by driver’s mandatory stops.
As they can charge while you have a mandatory meal break, they have no more ‘down-time’ than diesel powered equivalents. In fact, they mean mandatory rest breaks cannot be ‘skipped’, which is better for drivers, and safer for every single person travelling the roads alongside them.
And also - filling with diesel requires you to spend maybe 15 minutes with the truck. Electric ? Plug in and get your full 1/2 hour break... I know which I would choose...
How is not producing enough electricity to power a fleet conversion fixed by drivers stopping? During summer California has rolling blackouts with the current load.
Truck driver here. We are allowed to hook and unhook trailers during our 30 minute reset. By the time my pre trip is done I maybe have 5 minutes to use the restroom before I can keep driving.
@@MrJturner74California is producing 22 GW do you really think a few MW will make any difference?
Gasoline and diesel refining requires 4.2 kWh/gallon
@@nathanielthelin1051
In the UK you're not even allowed to clean your mirrors whilst on your break.
Rest Break means exactly that.
NO misinterpretations.
The Superchargers at Pepsi are 700 kW. They basically use two V3 Supercharger input circuits for each truck Supercharger. Basically what powers 8 V3 superchargers (4 each). Each cabinet's input is 430 Amps 480V 3-Phase. Max continuous power of 350 kVA. That gives 350 kW * 2.
A video of the Pepsi site shows 4 V4 Superchargers hooked up to 8 V3 cabinets. A presenter mentions a 3 MW grid connection. That makes sense, 8 cabinets use 2.8 MW of electricity. The cabinets can cross share up to 575 kW. So the max through put of a cabinet is be 350 kW + 575 kW = 925 kW. My guess is 700 kW with 4 trucks and maybe 925 kW with less trucks. So a maximum between 700-925 kW.
I have not seen the spec plates. The big unknown is the output power of that semi charger cable. I don't think anyone has seen that yet.
I just took a look at a newer V3 spec plate. The vales are slightly increased. From those spec I would estimate 774-967 kW maximum.
The physics aspect that everyone seems to ignore is the batteries... there is a limit to how fast you can charge batteries while maintaining their integrity. It will be interesting to see what speed of charging various sizes of batteries can actually endure in real world conditions. No matter what when you charge batteries quickly it puts more wear on them then charging them slower and that fact is often overlooked in the electric vehicle industry.
nah i think the biggest physics aspect everyone but tesla seems to ignore is aerodynamics for efficiency.
Actually, new studies have confirmed that the problem is not charging speed, but heat.
If the BMS keeps the temperature within the safe range, then fast charging does not affect battery health or longevity.
@@davidmenasco5743 studies can be misinterpreted... Damage to batteries can be limited by advanced temperature control and other advanced charging strategies... It may be that fast charging can approach the same levels of battery endurance but the physics don't change; charging a battery faster causes more entropy and more degradation. Controlling the heat is an important aspect but not the only one, slow charging will always be better for batteries in the long run. It is a matter of finding the optimal balance between charging speed and battery endurance for any given vehicle or application. I would like to see some kind of a business model that allows battery packs to be charged and ready at gas stations to allow rapid changing of battery packs and simultaneously allow more environmentally friendly slow charging. I understand that is not possible for now because battery packs are integrated into the chassis of EVs and the manufacturers like to keep changing battery packs a very expensive service, which is unfortunate.
@@davidmenasco5743 yes and this is a big advantage with tesla, they have pretty good temp regulation and cooling systems for their battery packs.
Thanks for this video on #trucks, #electric_trucks. And How they compare #volvo_truck #Mercedes-Benz_Trucks or #tesla_truck.
No matter. They"ll still burst into flames like the other EVs.
Nope, especially not the LiFePo4 ones.
Do your research!
In the US we have to take into account DOT rules. When I was driving, if you worked ONE minute over x amount of hours, you’d be required to take 32 hours off consecutively. In my case that just wasn’t an option. ( we were hauling Trash in Bear Country). Bears take very little time off.
As compared to passenger cars this can truly change the world in a far bigger way. In my opinion anyway. Look at all the waste with Cooling systems, air Brake Compressor Systems, Transmissions. Diesel pollution rules….Beside the waste, the maintenance is never ending.
for Purposes of this TEST , Tesla had 3x Slipseat Drivers over 1070 miles in 24H.
If a company develops the ultimate platform for trucking, one can assume that said company develops the superior technology for passenger cars……amazing that a small number of EV consumers still run the other way…..
Tesla only uses front drive for driving at a constant speed without acceleration.
The double drive on the rear axle is mechanically decoupled.
Someone who says "x breaks the laws of physics" usually doesn't know physics, let alone the laws of physics.
I'm more charitable. Someone starts with some assumptions, turns the crank on the laws of physics to see what that implies, and points to the results as what the laws of physics say is possible. My father, who worked in early computers, says that people would publish papers about the theoretical limits on computers dictated by the laws of physics. Then those limits would be surpassed. This happened several times, until such papers became less popular. Of course, the laws of physics didn't change, and were unviolated. How does that happen? Well, people pull some assumptions out of the air, launder them by running them through the laws of physics, and make such "laws of physics" claims. The laws of physics are sometimes printed on T-shirts and even taught in schools; people should do their own calcs. Just make note of what assumptions you're making...
Exactly, and what laws do they claim Tesla broke? It was just an expression from Mercedes, not a scientific statement
Not sure as I am not in the trucking industry here in USA, but I have heard it is a mandatory 30 minutes of stoppage time every eight hours in America.
That exceeds bladder specs.
@@Ask-a-Rocket-ScientistCatheter? I use a pee-bottle!
for this TEST , Tesla did 1070 miles w/ 3 Slipseat Drivers in 24H
Truck factory is outside of Sparks NV. This is about 670 km (420 mi) from Las Vegas NV. I did the drive in my Model 3 last year (from Lassen Volcanic NP) last year.
I wondered why Tesla trucks from Las Vegas sounded unusual
Hi sir. The factory is near Reno, not Las Vegas.
When these explode and they will, it will level half a city block.
It’ll be hilarious when they have these hauling gasoline tanker trailers.
They forgot a heavy moving vehicle has much kinetic energy that can be mostly converted back to electricity, instead as being mostly wasted as heat energy?
That is why electric trains is the ultimate in economy . 90% of kinetic energy is returned to grid , and used by another train going up a slope. There is a rail system , where the ore is transported from 1km+ elevation to sea level . The electricity generated by the loaded train going down , is more than enough to power the empty returning train . So basically free fuel running .
When one of those battery packs spontaneously combusts, the truck will bury itself. It is going to happen.
No, it’s not. You clearly don’t know anything about batteries how they are made and how they are encased.
@@Shaqshaq_pov No, I do, and you do not. EV car batteries, and power plant storage battery fires have happened, and not that infrequently. It is an easy subject to read up on.
Engineers are overlooking what the BMS and drive motors are doing. Its not a question of how the system is made, its a question of how the system is being operated.
A big part of the Semi's success is down to the powerful motors. The secret sauce is: The motors are way more powerful than they need to be for forward motion. But this large capacity gives the ability for much higher amount of regen charging of the battery when braking or going downhill.
I suppose the other companies will figure this out in about five or six years. If their brains don't go back into hibernation.
Can't wait to see one of these on fire!
In the USA there is a required break of 30 minutes every 8 hours, but one can only drive 11 hours of every 14.
no breaks required for self driving
your statement makes no sense. you drive 11 hours of 14 then can drive 11 hours again. nope is it 11 of 24 ?
@@ronblack7870 It is complicated enough that many people have questions about the regulations. maybe you've heard of google and would find something there you could understand.
@@ronblack7870 he means the after 11 hours, you have to rest for at least 3.
TESLA did 1070 miles w/ 3 Slipseat Drivers in 24H period
Welcome trucking industry to the valley of death
I am bus driver in Poland (EU). My working hours is going to my driver's card, i should insert to tachograf unit before start working. And YES, after 4,5 hours of driving i have to stop&rest for at least 45 minutes.
I presuppose that the Tesla MegaCharger will be about 1,5 MW.
Very simple calculation:
The transformator used for 4 SuperChargers is at 750 kW.
Take 2 of them together for one MegaCharger and you will have 1,5 MW.
Tesla allways tries to use equal components for all applications.
Currently installed Megachargers are 750 kW, as are the 72 proposed in a charging network between Fremont, CA and Laredo, TX.
@@BigBen621 Thank you for the information.
One of these, on fire and with the ensuing thermal runaway, could produce a cloud of death threatening entire small towns, especially in the tight confines of western Europe. The fumes they generate can kill with very limited exposure and first responders must wear self-contained breathing devices. They also cannot be extinguished by any current technologies and must be allowed to burn, sometimes for days. Very little about the dangers of these huge batteries makes it out of legacy media news outlets as our headlong rush towards the unattainable “net zero” will tolerate no questions nor any thoughtful reflection.
Such fires burn incredibly hot. Nothing nearby would survive.
breaks the laws of stupidity.
Your intro is the best. Let me repeat this: the best.
Very interesting presentation..your comment on Hydrogen in trucking seems to be happening..I guess batteries are driving the routes, while hydrogen is still looking at the way to go😊
Meanwhile , EU and UK are Permanently CLOSING some Hydrogen stations.
Pepsico (SAC) & Frito-Lay (Modesto) are both Powered by 100% Renewable Energy & Power the TESLA semis.
hydrogen fuel cell powering an electric drivetrain that is...
Cabovers get around cities much easier and negotiate turns way better, especially in Europe where you have 1000 year old city streets and winding mountain passes throughout much of it.
And you have a better sight (you can see the little girl 3 feet in front of you crossing the street with her bike).
No it doesn't. Anyone who makes a claim like this is lacking education and full of BS.
notice how every other electric semi is a big flat wall of metal smacking into the air...and even worse, with lots of irregularity in the surface, almost like they made an attempt at designing the most inefficient front end in a wind tunnel as possible .....smh...
ICE semi truck record is 1165 miles in one day. Tesla is still second best.
Breathing diesel fumes is the issue here.
Not in Vegas. Sparkes Nevada in a temp building until the plant is built. And at present they are not using 4680s in semi.
In Europe it's a 45 minute break every 4.5 hours of driving
The legacy semi designs still look like giant bricks compared to the Tesla. They will never match Teslas range if they don't change their design.
Since about two weeks DB Schenker in Finland is leasing for at least a test year a Volvo FH Electric Semi truck. This so called HCT combination is 33 m long with 11 axles and can have a total weight of 68 metric tons.
The truck has six batteries, all together 540 kWh.
The truck will be used in 3 shift, and mainly the truck goes between two hubs, but will also be used in distribution.
DB Schenker will charge the trucks by the rooftop solar panels at the hubs.
The company will have more electric trucks next spring.
Then I have some opinions about the charging!
I think they must be able to use at least two charging cables, or are they going to use 1600 volt?
In a couple of years the practice shows what really is needed when thinking there are mandatory rest times for the drivers. We have to consider that about 110 kWh is needed to get another 100 km for "normal" semi trucks.
Thanks for sharing this info.
It seems every truck maker is developing BEV drivetrains and many tests are being conducted around the world.
The increased efficiency and reduced fuel costs mean the electric transition is going to happen as quickly as the batteries can be made.
Tesla semi have 900kWh battery, 800v and consume 1.7kWh/mile full load. Range 500 mile with full load.
@@pmkgamingtv I would say that most of the electric trucks now are more or less test vehicles, and as the battery is quite expensive I think they don't use bigger batteries than needed for the tasks the trucks are supposed to perform.
Then the trucks that right now are for sale must also be able to be charged with right now available infrastructure.
As Tesla have own "infrastructure" they can now build slightly other kind of semis and trucks.
Then in Europe the trucks can't drive faster than 80 or 90 km/h.
The electric companies will have some busy years to strengthen the grids that means we all have to pay more for electricity till the investments are payed back!
When the gas stations network was built only the car owners payed direct, we other payed only through the "things" we bought that were transported.
At least it seems that the fuel cells will play a very small part. If for instance 20 % have to use diesel the NOx emissions will be quite small after all.
Here in the Nordic countries they should transport much more goods and trailers on the railways, because the heavy vehicles destroy the roads. The change between cold and warm weather twice a year it's in reality impossible to build roads that last. Then bad roads destroy normal (more or less expensive) cars...
Here we have many and long roads and a few taxpayers.
Merc needs to start with an erodynamic shape ! Boxes don't cut through air too well , well that's what the girl on the checkout at Aldi said 😂
For short haul inside a city aerodynamics is not all that important. A box will do if the result and make it through the narrow roads and tight turns. For longer trips, the load really should be on rails. An electric train is going to do a lot better on tons moved a distance per KWH.
Greetings. Aerodynamics isn't really important for long haul. The driver needs a cabin with a berth. Having the steering axle beneath your arse makes the vehicle easier to manoeuvre in tight spaces.
EV-semis will work where the starting point and destination have MW charging points. We'll need diesel for everything else.
There are length ´rules, and streets / destinations are more narrow in Europe
So max length rules are much different.
In the US, a trailer can be max 59 feet, the truck itself has no length limit
In EU, the complete length is max 61 feet
They are boxy, because in Europe, the limit in length of a truck includes the cabin, unlike in America where it is only the cargo that counts. So European trucks are boxy like that to be shorter and be able to carry more cargo.
I get why they did that law... American trucks could not turn in most European streets and in some roads. Putting a limit gives civil engineers the assurance that every vehicle can make a turn, or that it will fit in a cargo bay. But it is one of those laws that are done with good reasons and intentions, but that generates unintended side effects.
A more correct assesement is that Tesla instead built the semi at the edge of the laws of physics to maximise efficiency
imagine the size of barbecues that will be going on once these huge batteries self ignite
Good job petrol and diesel are so common it never makes the media.
But an ev, just one, goes global.
Like the cargo ship with Ev's on board that had a fire.
The world went mad "it's the cars" the salvage Co said the cars were fine and undamaged on a different one of the 12 decks.
But the world media didn't do a global "Oops, we f
No man breaks the laws of physics. If you think someone is breaking the laws of physics you don't know the laws of physics.
Great to see not only Mercedes, but Bill Gates have to eat their words!.
Wait till one of these EV semi trucks crash, ... hazmat team will have to close down the freeways for days too clean-up the toxic mess created by ruptured batteries.
Not nearly as much to clean up as spilled diesel. Cheers.
You’re about 5 years behind on your arguments there. Next you’ll be complaining that ev cars set in fire more than ice cars. 😂
Search for "Deadly Tanker Explosion" in the search bar to see why tanks full of petroleum products are a lot worse. You'll never see a battery do this no matter how large the pack.
No, it’s not
@@Fogmeisterin the uk with figures I’ve seen from one of the regional fire brigade and taking the total number of EVs and ICE cars they are about the same. They are really small likelihood for both in comparison. Really small.
But remember that most EVs are very new vs ICE cars which are on average older, so when the dendrites increase on batteries their likelyhood of shorting increases.
Given the figures I really wouldn’t worry about a car fire EV or ICE.
They put the driver in the middle to reduce the drag on the left side.
It will be interesting to see the fires when batteries those sizes go up.
Going EV means a massive investment. Not just in the actual truck but in providing enough charging bays. 1MW bays are very costly, since it involves upgrading all the electric infrastructure. EV truck operators will also want certainty of charging, especially for overnight stops, so maybe charging will be required in most truck bays. But how close should trucks be parked, especially with valuable loads? It is not that EV trucks will be likely to catch fire, but the inferno if such an enormous battery ignites. What will insurance cost, assuming cover is available? It will need an adventurous fleet manager to propose going EV!!
So the main take away is, that they measured 22 parameters and they found out, that both Mercedes and Tesla have chargers rated at 1MW charging power?
You have said this same exact thing about 5 times in the last 2 months Sam. Okay we get it. Great achievement.
But where do we go from here?
Where's the progress.
If nobody else is able to do it then it's hardly progress because Tesla are not going to better this performance in the next 10 years.
And that's simply too slow.
You don’t think Tesla will improve performance in 10 years?
Progress is too slow. But the important news is that these tests confirm that BEV trucks can do what Tesla has said they can do.
This means they can save trucking companies a lot of money. And this means that trucking will be electrified as quickly as battery production allows.
That's actually very big news.
And yes, I would love to hear reporting on the next steps that will help these trucks displace the old polluting diesels as quickly as possible.
Now they need 40"-53" trailers with full solar roofs to charge on route!!!
Elon Musk didn't think it would be worth it. People don't understand batteries. They keep insisting that solar be at the place of charging.
I can see small cars, and even shade canopies that have solar. Provide shade, protection from hail, rain. That makes sense. There are some urban streets that have covered sidewalks, it would be nice.
I don't know, food trucks, would probably help.
Would be a very good idea to cover the trailers in solar panels
Great for refrigeration also…
@@tireddad6541that was for cars where weight is much more important.
@@whowhy9023 Weight is arguably more important in the hauling industry. A higher empty GVW means less carrying capacity for operators.
A solar panel covering the full surface area of the trailer will, in real workd conditions, generate about 13kW (probably a lott less when mounted on a moving playform at suboptimal angles). This will make a negligible difference and reduce the truck’s payload.
It would be interesting to see by how much the range increases if the wheels are properly covered for better aerodynamics as well
As well as using super single tires
Imagine if they gave them hard steel wheels, put them on a steel rail, linked them together, and ran mile long groups of them across those rails. It would be revolutionary. I can't believe no one has thought of that. @@michelcote
The factory is in Nevada at the Gigafactory, not Las Vegas as there is no factory there.
Wait 'til a distribution center (e.g. a Coca-Cola plant or a Walmart warehouse) replaces its fleet with electric trucks and asks the local power company to upgrade their service to charge those trucks during the daytime. (Note those trucks generally do their routes during the night time.) Somebody already looked into that, asking the local power company. Basically, the power company responded by asking that distribution center manager if his request was some kind of very obnoxious prank, informed him that he was asking to receive a lot more electricity than literally everybody else in the entire city combined, and told him that no, he was not going to ever get that much electricity because his request was completely ridiculous. It doesn't matter how many giant noisy bird-mulching pinwheels you put up or how many trees you replace with solar panels. We are not going to upgrade the power distribution infrastructure, increasing its capacity several times over, all so you can have your fun looking down on everybody that is unable to afford to buy a new car to replace an ICE car. Mind you our power bills are meant to cover only regular operating costs and maybe minor upgrades and repairs on the power grid, not costs of doing a complete overhaul, much less essentially doing a complete overhaul many times over. Our power bills may go up ten-fold, and we still won't put together enough money to rebuild power grids enough to handle all those EVs and electric trucks because of skyrocketing costs of copper, because of how many more high-voltage inter-city powerline towers will have to be built on land forcibly bought off and taken through imminent domain, because of how many power stations will have to be built or hugely upgraded, and because of how many city roads will have to be torn up and rebuilt to upgrade the powerlines under them. This EV stuff is economic La-La Land.
_Wait 'til a distribution center (e.g. a Coca-Cola plant or a Walmart warehouse) replaces its fleet with electric trucks and asks the local power company to upgrade their service to charge those trucks during the daytime._
PepsiCo *did* replace its fleet at the PepsiCo Sacramento Bottling Plant with electric trucks-Tesla Semis to be exact-and *did* ask the local power company to upgrade their service to charge those trucks during the daytime; ad the local power company said "sure". Same thing at the Frito-Lay Norcal Warehouse in Modesto, CA; the PepsiCo Fresno Bottling Plant; the Tesla Gigafactory in Sparks, NV; and numerous Supercharger sites with power demands up to 20-25 MW.
_Somebody already looked into that, asking the local power company. Basically, the power company responded by asking that distribution center manager if his request was some kind of very obnoxious prank, informed him that he was asking to receive a lot more electricity than literally everybody else in the entire city combined, and told him that no, he was not going to ever get that much electricity because his request was completely ridiculous._
Every EV-hater tells a version of that exact story, and yet no one has been able to say which company and which city were involved. Unless you can identify the company and city, I call BS on this story; especially since Tesla is routinely doing exactly this all over the country.
_We are not going to upgrade the power distribution infrastructure_
Among many other measure, the Biden IRA includes "$65 billion toward electric grid transmission infrastructure upgrades and construction", and there are enough renewable energy projects in the queue to literally double the US grid capacity in the next decade or so.
Considering the cost of the massive electrical loads at every truckstop....dont think 50 billion is going to come close to updating infrastructure....that's the physics to question
Maybe you should take a look at Edison Motors semi. Their first load was 100,000+ pounds and was a Sherman tank. More than Tesla semi by at least 18,000 pounds. They have an onboard fast charger and huge range due to that. What was the weight that the Tesla was hauling? If you are hauling corn chips then the weight is minimal.
Nikola realized that their hydrogen semi truck was not going anywhere and they made a clever move: They also built a battery electric semi truck to compete with Tesla, since only battery semis have a future....
Nikola's truck was going somewhere - but only if rolling down a hill...
Battery semis will have a future eventually, but it's still too early for adoption. They don't have enough range yet to see widespread adoption. If they can start doing 600 miles on a charge and truck stops start adding charging stations, and crazy California needs to actually add some truck stops (there's only like 3 in the entire state, and they are super tiny, especially considering they are a major shipping port), and then electric semis stand a chance of dominating the market. Until then they are just an impractical novelty.
NIKOLA BEV does not even Compete w/ TESLA 300 mile semi.
Just looking at how aerodynamic the Tesla Semi looks compared to the average truck plus Tesla has the best regenerative braking would give a huge advantage in range.
The aero is not going to impact this as many think....
Not the first time an "impossible" Elon Musk project has delivered.
As you can see from the comments by folk from the trucking industry, this useless truck will not deliver at all
Yeah, who wants a faster quieter truck that costs a lot less to operate? @@jimpackard8059
Now imagine what Tesla's semi could do if Elon Musk hadn't successfully forced his way into a leadership position, so he could drive the company to spend billions in tax subsidies on space tourism.
Of course they say it breaks the laws of physics, look at their trucks! If you build them shaped like a brick you loose over 40% of the energy just pushing the air out of the way when cruising at highway speeds!
Of course considering a battery performance curve, that extra 10,000 pounds is the back breaker that would halve all the numbers quoted
Heavier the vehicle is the less efficient it becomes for Bev. Also the majority of mileage is on highway speed worsening the efficiency even more
Hows your physics ? This efficiency loss is exactly the same as a diesel truck. But an EV can regain charge on downhill sections. Can a diesel do that ? And when re-fuelling a diesel, you have to stand beside it for 10-15 minutes. With an electric, you plug in, and then have your break. It's different, of course - but maybe there are advantages ? I'm not a truck driver ....
Drag is what matters most on the highway.
@@chrisheath2637 the physics is simple. The heavier the vehicle the larger battery pack it needs which in turn increase it's weight. Not the same with fossil fuel vehicles, it doesn't have to increase gas tank nearly as much as battery weight in order to achieve the same range or load increase. That said emissions is still emission. Just comparing small ice car to big ice car, small ice car pollutes more. Got EVs definitely big heavier EVs pollutes more in terms of resources extractions required.
@@i6power30 We shall see....
NOT that Heavy , it can haul FULL LOAD Fremont to San Diego in 8H with 45+ miles Range left.
My concern isn't with the distance or charging time, it's what happens when the truck breaks down is in the middle of the desert! Currently most truckers are their own mechanics and in many cases can fix their own rig, now with electric, they'll have to call someone or wait a day or two to get someone out to help tow or make repairs?
1) Diesel trucks are far more complicated and have a lot of moving parts which can break so the likelihood of a diesel truck breaking down is far higher than an electric truck.
2) unless it's a Tyre change good luck trying to fix a truck alone without any serious equipment in the middle of the desert, and this is ignoring the fact that truck Tyres are heavy af for a single person to manage.
3) Batteries are most efficient when they're warm but diesel engines can overheat in a hot desert environment. You should be more worried about using electric trucks in colder places such as Alaska or Canada since batteries are nearly half as efficient at those temps so you should be more concerned about you're range in places such as the ones I mentioned before. I'd argue Diesel trucks are more dangerous in colder places since Diesel might not ignite when it's really cold outside since it needs to reach 180 Degree Celsius before it can ignite. if your radiator freezes up even when you're using an antifreeze agent, your engine might overheat and stop working. you have 2-3 hours of heating provided by the batteries to stay warm inside while to try an request help using a HAM radio (if you're stuck in an isolated location). Whereas, an electric truck can keep the heating on for ~3 days with it's massive battery pack if you get stuck (probably 4-5 if the truck has good insulation since the heating doesn't need to be turned on all the time to maintain a warm temperature inside the cabin).
4) As rare as motor failures are, Electric trucks have the possibility to disengage the failed motor from it's power-train and use the rest of the motors to drag itself and it's cargo to the destination (it definitely have enough Horsepower to reach the cruising speed even with a failed motor lol) and then to the workshop to fix or replace the burnt out motor.
P.S. I'm no expert in any of the things I've mentioned, I've merely gathered the information I've came across online.
Question is: What does a normal (i.e. Diesel Powered) Semi does for a similar job in regards to Milage (Kilometers) Driven and Weight (mass) carried??? (Gross weight, namely Vehicle weight PLUS cargo weight) since there are weight limits for trucks!!!)
Semitruck factory is outside of Reno Nevada 😊
Just looking at the other trucks it seems to me like none of them truly had a brand new platform, they all just look like internal combustion engine trucks retrofitted for electric layout.
You should debate uncle Tony About the fireball issue, I know a hybrid isn't technically an EV but a lithium ion battery destroying 1500 car's and a multi storey structure is sort of worth a discussion
1750km is around 70kph over 24 hours... I'd love to see the logs for that day.
I prefer the other interpretation of the title which implies that yes, the semi in fact does break the laws of physics, and Mercedes will just have to suck it up
There is one major pitfall that no one seems to be addressing. Fast-charge cuts the battery life in half. What is the cost of a new set of batteries every 2 to 4 years?
A recent study by Recurring proves that it actually has little or no effect on battery life. Suggest you update your information.
@@BigBen621 - That’s a lie. There is no such honest study. Besides, if what you are saying is true then, everything would be fast-charge. Trickle-charge extends battery life and Fast-charge shortens battery life.
FALSE , Tesla has Liquid cooled cables and Superior BMS , that can Optimize battery pack for CHARGING at Megacheger. TESLA semi rated for + 1 million miles , should last DECADES.
TESLA semi saves operator $200,000 in 3 years.
ROI is on Day ONE.
@@markplott4820 - Battery lifecycle has nothing to do with the cables. It has to do with the battery chemistry itself. The faster you charge it, the shorter the lifespan.
@@chrisjenkins9978
_That’s a lie. There is no such honest study._
I just checked, and it turns out that "nuh-uh" isn't actually evidence. The Recurrent study stated that "The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time".
_ if what you are saying is true then, everything would be fast-charge_
That's absurd. People who can charge at home on an L1 or L2 charger avoid L3 fast charging because it's much more expensive and inconvenient, not because it reduces battery life; those who *can* charge at home *do* charge at home.
_Trickle-charge extends battery life and Fast-charge shortens battery life._
I don't know what you mean by "trickle-charge"; perhaps L1 charging, from a 120V 15A outlet? And what's the basis for this claim? I referred to plausible research stating the opposite, which you dismissed out of hand; do you have any research supporting your claim, other than that's just what everyone thought until the Recurrent study was released?
About 4 million registered Semi Trucks in the US. Tesla is to start production at the end of 2024. Production numbers will tell us how long it will take to make a dent in that market.
Nikola were getting 250 miles per day. Where did find a downhill run that was 250 miles long?
the problem is, the US is not comparable to for example to Europe, likewise how one haulier uses a truck is often not comparable to how another haulier uses a truck, then you have the trucks themselves and the regulations the operate under, for example 40 tons (80,000LB GTW) in the US is very different from 40 tonnes (88,185LB GTW) or 44 tonnes (97,003LB GTW) in Europe, ever wandered why Europe has more powerful trucks on average, its because on average the haul more weight, on average on the road network they encounter is very different to the US, and the topography of the terrain is generally more hilly in Europe, while the US has some vast relatively speaking flat spaces, the only way your going to get a fair comparison is to run the trucks side by side on the same roads at the same times, hauling the same trailers with the same weight loads in, with drivers that drive in similar manner, if any part of the comparison is different (roads and routes used, trailers used, weights carried, etc) the the test is not comparative, its just smoke and mirrors.
What did the truck weigh and how much cargo weight?
I firmly believe no one can compete with Tesla.