Spider-Man: No Way Home REVIEW (NON-SPOILER + SPOILER)
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2021
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Spiderman No Way Home is my favorite spiderman movie because of the old characters and I like Tom Holland spiderman goes through loss, suffer and deals with his consequences.
@@Coolgamer.. good movie i wouldn’t say it’s masterpiece
Honestly, Steven bringing up talking to the people at MIT and Peter not even realizing that was an option was about the realist thing after the reality of Peter being a celebrity. It's played for laughs, but no one teaches kids these days that they can ask questions, argue back or make a case for themselves, so they don't even consider it.
I want a special where it’s just the three Spider-Men explaining their universes to each other over dinner. To see Andrew and Toby react to the insanity of the MCU!
I mean it kinda happens when tom’s Spider-Man mentions the avengers and what he and tobey and Andrew fought but yeah I get what you mean it would be really freaking cool
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@@deims6270 yes
Sounds like Jon Favreau's old show, Dinner For 5.
I loved the part where Andrew asked if Tom was in a band when he said he was part of the Avengers.
They basically had to make a sequel to 3 separate spiderman movies. And they actually pulled it off.
I love how all it wraps up things for both Toby and Andrew's Spiderman as well.
@@ShadowEclipex Definitely, it was very well done for those two.
@@ShadowEclipex funny enough, we might actually be getting TASM 3
@@JoeFanik Would be kinda weird to get one after so long, but also would be kinda cool
@@JoeFanik I doubt it will happen
It’s interesting, Homecoming was about Peter wanting to be Spiderman but needing to choose to be Peter, and then FFH was about him wanting to be Peter but needing to choose to be Spiderman. So NWH feels very much about Peter wanting to balance both but needing to choose to be Spiderman at the cost of Peter Parker.
Fun fact. There is a reason why Dr Strange said there's 6 rings and Peter said there's 5 rings. Dr Strange made a ring for himself so he can't forget Spider-Man as well!
Makes sense, he was about to cry when Peter told him to make everyone forget
It shows that Peter earned Strange's respect. It was really sad to see that scene. I pretty much never cry at a movie but damn I began to tear up in this.
Inb4 he actually added that exception to the final spell and he remembers everything, hence why other Dr Strange cross over in the Multiverse of Madness.
Technically the spell at the end is new and different from the old one. The original spell was going to make everyone forget the revelation of Spider-Man being Peter Parker. The new spell is everyone forgetting Peter Parker’s existence as a person at all. Far more severe, his entire identity as a person on this planet is wiped, he would no longer be recognized as a student at his high school so he has to get his GED from home
it's gonna be hard getting a new social security number.
@@charleswisconsin9196 he most likely used the Blip as an excuse
So, wait, does that mean that people off planet like Thor, Captain Marvel, Fury, still know who Peter is?
@@robbie1482 That's kind of unclear. The spell isn't specified to say whether or not it only effects Earth or if it extends to space. The other side is the effect of Thor, the Guardians, or Captain Marvel knowing really doesn't do much cause they aren't that close to Peter anyway to really care. Nick on the other hand likes to keep tabs but we've already gotten that story with FFH so why retread old ground?
@@veggiewillymass yea but they know of Spiderman, and it cant take Nick long to find out about Peter Parker even is he did forget.
What I loved at the end, was the attention to detail, Peter had a GED test manual. Showing that he wasn't able to complete highschool.
Not that he didn’t complete it, but his entire schooling career is gone. Erased entirely.
@@DarlCron Fair enough.
i am so here for the character arc where peter is still just as smart, but not ever involved with school/college. we always see spiderman doing well in school if anything tardy a few times but overall good grades, not anymore tho its ged time for spidey, but that doesnt make him any less smart or capable its just the situation hes in, just like a lot of people who maybe cant do school all the way but still get their ged and stuff, especially love seeing it after how hard he stressed earlier in the movie trying to get into mit
@@peter42liter93 In actuality, Peter Parker is about as smart as Otto Octavius but he doesn't use his mind to its fullest
After Endgame, the only Marvel movie I wanted to see afterwards was Far From Home. After watching that, I really wanted to know what was next for Spider-Man, none of the other movies made me care. Black Widow was too late, Eternals didn't make me want to watch, and I could wait for Shang-Chi on D+. But then No Way Home was being advertised and I knew I had to watch this. And you know what? It was amazing, I am 100% invested seeing what they do with Spider-Man next. They took EVERYTHING away from Peter in this movie, and I really want to see him rebound by fighting Kraven or Kingpin or someone.
Vincent D'Onofrio has said multiple times that he wants Kingpin to fight Spider-man before he feels comfortable retiring the character (ie letting him die). Kingpin being a Disc One Final Boss in the next Spider-man film to show that Spidey's back to fighting "badass normies" and then proceeding to reveal the Venom symbiote as the true Big Bad of the movie could be interesting. I just hope they don't make the same mistakes they did in Spider-man 3. (Disc One Final Boss kicks Spidey's ass in round 1, Spidey merges with the symbiote, Spidey easily beats Disc One Final Boss in Round 2, then realizes how evil the Symbiote is and rejects it, causing the Symbiote to merge into another person and become Venom, the true Final Boss of the film. Spider-man 3 made the mistake of teaming Venom up with Sandman when he should have just fought Spidey alone, and the Green Goblin 2 was also an antagonist no one really wanted, so it was a mess.)
@@vampman87 no one wanted new goblin, which is what we got. but alot of us were anticipating hob goblin since it was teased in SM2. iirc, no one really wanted venom, but since hes such a beloved character, everyone wouldve been ok with him being in the movie.... IF HE WAS DONE WELL. unfortunately he wasnt; the venom we got in SM3 was so poorly written that hardly anyone got on board with his arc. should have taken the time to really explore and flesh out venom's chraracter arc instead of introducing sandman, the real enemy no one wanted.
@@vampman87 Since they introduced Daredevil into the MCU, I could see them teaming up. Maybe Jameson tries to create Scorpion like he did in the comics, and the person who creates scorpion is Fisk. Spiderman figures this out and tries to stop him, but gets in over his head and teams up with Matt Murdock who does his lawyer shtick to try and put KingPin away, but Kingpin gets free, and Peter, still being pissed about the end of FFH, goes overboard and almost kills Fisk, but Daredevil steps into the middle. Daredevil and Spiderman get into a brawl where Peter ends up beating Matt, but Matt takes off his mask pleading to Peter's humanity, which results in him running away. Black Cat, aka Felicia Hardy (whom is preferably introduced to Spiderman as a cat burglar, and she tries to steal from Fisk and Spiderman helps her after she realizes how much trouble she's in) tried to comfort Peter but to no avail. Which results in Peter getting even MORE angry and that's when he finds the symbiote, which brings him into the black suit arc of Spider-Man. I could see them introducing Kraven as an antogonist, this world famous hunter with superhuman speed strength and heightened senses who learns of this newly powered up Spiderman and gets soundly beaten by him, but still manages to outsmart and outwit Spiderman. Maybe even using MJ as a hostage (which could start the trend of Peter's double life where he's trying to be with MJ as Peter, but also be with Felicia as Spiderman). I could then see a potential where Peter trains Miles Morales, but because of the events of Black Suit Spider-Man, a new sinister six is formed. Preferably Kraven the hunter, Venom (Flash Thompson), Hobgoblin (Ned), KingPin, Volture, and Scorpion. Because Peter is fighting Kraven, who almost beat him before; Ned, a best friend that doesn't remember him; Venom, whom he knows has all of his abilities, scorpion and vulture, two people Peter feels guilty about, and KingPin as the ring leader, he has to learn to trust Miles Morales (mirroring Tony's trust in Peter) and it takes the both of them to stop the Sinister Six. Or, if they choose to not introduce Miles, it could be a situation where Peter and Daredevil Team up again. Early in the fight Peter manages to get through to Ned, who goes to distract venom as Spiderman man goes to fight Kraven. Peter wins but Ned gets beaten by Venom, and Spiderman manages to destroy Venom (probably due to some science B's), returning flash to normal. During the battle, Daredevil is fighting both vulture and scorpion, but then Vulture has a change of heart and turns on Kingpin, leading to a badly injured Peter and Daredevil not being able to stop Vulture from killing Kingpin (probably because Kingpin threatened his daughter cuz... You know... Kingpin).
Jesus Christ that was longer then I meant for it to be... Good God. well... If anyone reads it, hats off to you I guess.
I couldn't care less about Black Widow, but I ended up watching it and LOVING it. Guess MJ's line about low expectation really shined there lmao
(I think the concept of the soviet Captain America and the weird spy super hero family REALLY gave it charm to me. Plus I love the actor because of Stranger Things)
I was really interested in Shang-Chi since they revealed the Phase 4 movies back in the day, because I love martial arts, and it was... okay. Fun, but I didn't really LOVE it.
MJ is still wearing that broken Black Dahlia necklace at the donut shop after her memory of Peter gets erased.
I have to bring up Ned Leeds. When Peter goes out to find Electro Ned ponders what other multiverse versions of him are like. Also, in the lab scene with the 3 Peters he makes the definitive statement, "I won't become a super villain and try to kill you." Now, with him not knowing who Peter is, and technically them not being best friends, he could go one of 3 ways; You guys brought up the potential sorcerer path, or he could become the Hobgoblin, or he just goes to MIT and is never heard from again.
Ned is at the crossroads for his path this run. Choose careful
Wait we could combine sorcerer and Hobgoblin. What if through possibly remembering the Goblin (a form of PTSD he isn't quiet aware of) and learning magic he could become the Hobgoblin as a form of Demon. Taking on the more 'goblin' look and combining sorcerery with it for a magic glider and weapons. I lean into it as his actor said he'd love to do a Hobgoblin arc (or maybe I missheard)
That'd be great if he was actually like Ned Leeds and not a ripped off Ganke Lee Jon Watts shoved into Peter's life
@@jordanbrandon81 I do love the idea of making Ned Leeds into more of a Demogoblin instead of the traditional Hobgoblin
@@thesalinator3557 they do enjoy taking spins with characters
And this way we could mix in his Wizard link and maybe even tie it to Mefisto?
Precious little Angel of Ned falls
Ned is an awful character in these movies, they really should kill him off screen.
I mean they technically are the sinister 6 because Eddie came with them, he just went to a bar and drank the whole time but he was there
When Wolverine gets introduced I want him and Peter to end up becoming kind of friends. They can be enemies at first but eventually become friends. They’re one of my favorite bromances in comics.
Same, I also want that for whenever Human Torch & Iceman get introduced.
@@chriscannon8144 Man, I'm so ready for the X-Men to show up. Gonna be great.
@@Darth_Xionn If they have an already established MCU hero integrate Wolverine and the X-Men, Spider-Man will be perfect for that.
I don't think there's a problem they this is the first time Peter meets these villians because there was probably no chance they'd adapt these villians anyway. Spider man has a big Rouge gallery we can have a Trilogy of movies without needing any of these villians
Right. They already did the Green Goblin in the first two series. Pulling him again would be hard.
@@blackday1013 And redundant.
Plus why redo perfect casting already?
@@blackday1013 Plus, we just might get Hobgoblin instead if you saw all the hints.
As a huge fan of the TASM films, this gave me almost everything I ever wanted while also getting me fully invested in the MCU Spidey where I had reservations before. Such a great film.
In Peter's argument against Strange I side with Peter. It is not common knowledge you can appeal a college application. If a college tells me no, its no
I’ve been looking forward to hearing you guys talk about this movie. Listening to the non-spoiler part I’m glad you guys seemed to like it.
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I am surprised that they didn't actually talk about the scene where May dies. That was so so close to breaking me. It was acted fantastically.
"I just need to catch my breath."
A crazy thought I had after the watching the movie is that the Spell specifically says it changes the memories of everyone in the world. So potentially Nick Fury, Thor, and the Guardians of the Galaxy still remember Peter Parker is Spiderman since they were all off world when the spell was cast.
Oh that’s what I thought as well! I figured it’s PROBABLY universal since the spell was going to tear apart the entire multiverse. That would be funny if folks off world just refer to him as Peter or Parker and he both freaks and is relieved by it.
@@o0bookwyrmknight0o I can just picture Nick Fury walking up and calling him Peter, and Peter then freaking out over how he could know with Fury replying with something like "You think I wouldn't know?"
Oh my God, you’re right. They specifically go out of their way to tell us Nick Fury is off-world near the beginning.
Nick Fury truly is the glue that holds the MCU together even today.
Yknow what I loved about the end? Vulture has now forgotten about Peter Parker, and he now has no reason not to kick his ass with scorpion next movie
Oh that’s true! The only reason that I can think of that he wouldn’t want to kick his ass is that even though he doesn’t know Peter, he still knows that Spider-Man did his best to save him while stopping him.
I just want to say, I super appreciate you guys doing non-spoiler reviews and making it clear when spoiler discussion is going to start 💜
17:24 To the actual film discussion!
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Honestly, I hope they get Andrew and Tobey for the Spider-Verse movie, just so Andrew's Spiderman can fight some goddamn space aliens.
if people are wondering the 6th member of the sinister six in this movie was that tree.
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When Tobey demonstrated his web shoot and Andrew and Tom question it, I said out loud in the movie theater: “Tobey Maguire is just built different”
Loved every point you guys made! Another point about the three of them interacting: hats off to normalizing men being vulnerable and open about their pains. Not only that, but supporting one another.
This movie reminded me why I love movies!
I feel really sorry for Happy, He lost everything when Peter was forgotten. He had lost his job when Tony died and Stark Tech got bought up, he was taken to court so he probably lost a lot there, he was living in a condo that got DESTROYED by green goblin, and Aunt May died. Peter was all he had left, the one friend who was still around. He thought of Peter as a Son, and now he doesnt even know who Peter is, He has NOBODY and all his belongings got blown up, maybe he got a security deposit back, but thats gotta be it. I really hope that The Fantastic Four hire him or something, that way he can still do his job, with Shield not really being around anymore unless im forgetting something.
I’m not gonna lie…I was burnt out on Marvel stuff after Endgame. But recently Marvel has really roped me back into the fold of things. Like the storytelling in Spider-Man: NWH has to have been some of the best storytelling from Marvel. The fact that we have introduced the Multiverse into the MCU to tie together things with WandaVision and What If… is just mind-blowing. I can’t wait to see what the current end goal for all this will be. What is our Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame plan here? That has me so excited for the future.
After I saw it and what ending they went with, I knew that Scott would like this if only because of what it implies what they’ll do with Spider-Man now.
Now that we know Tom's getting three more films, I hope he gets to fight Kraven and hopefully Morlun
I'm hoping to see Ned become Hobgoblin as well. Seeing him use his fingers to make portals kinda like how Hobgoblin (and Green Goblin) can shoot lightning out their finger tips in the comics gives me hope for that. A magic wielding Hobgoblin seems badass the more I think about it.
Also now that he doesn't know who Peter Parker is anymore I feel like this could set up a really dramatic sequence of events for Peter deal with.
@@AviLlaJohWil considering how Peter interacted with MJ and not Ned, that could possibly happen
@@AviLlaJohWil They set it up well too, with Garfield's Parker talking about having his friend try to kill him, then him having to kill his friend.
@@HeWhoSlayethCain that was Tobey McGuire’s Parker.
@@ArnulfoSalgado Oh, woops.
Love to see ya guys, it was a great movie and I'm glad you all enjoyed it as well, Lani your hair looks fabulous by the way lol
Took me several weeks to finally get to the theater for this, but I'm now ready for this review!
Now that I'm done, you guys made me like the movie even more than I already did. It was masterfully done with so much to like. I especially liked Andy and Tobey as older brother spider men.
I saw the film tonight. Loved every bit of it.
One of my favourite moments is that both Toby and Garfield spidermen wern't just right after the films. If you look and yes I know part of it is the actors are older, first Toby.
The haircut. Clothes. Walk. is all a man who's gone well past the point of spiderman 3. When he worked for the bugle you could tell he was ends meet kinda clothing.
When he met Garfield. MJ and Ned he had already figured out he was in another univers unlike Garfield who was excited about the concept.
Also in the lab when he talked about MJ he talks about there relationship and says "We made it work" not "we're in a rough patch" or "We had something." like they were at the end of 3.
This is a peter who probably has had years of living after the end of 3. When he said. "We made it work." With that nod and smile all I could think was... "May Day Parker levels of making it work?"
Now on to Garfield spiderman the biggest clue that this is years is firstly he's already cured electro once before. I'm pritty sure and need to check but I am 70% sure he did not 'cure' electro in amazing 2.
Also the biggest clue is that he openly says it's been years since 2 is the line "i stopped pulling my punches" any spider fan knows at most spidey is using 50% to 70% of his phisical strength to harm but not injure people.
There's several moments and I think even a series of comics where it shows a version of spiderman where he does not care how much harm he does to people in the pursuit of stopping them.
One of my favourite moments in amazing is when may dies near the end of civil war due to a hit by kingpin.
The end result of that is peter beating him to near death and telling him how he'll choke on web fluid and die
"I turn your entire respirator system in to one big solid chunk of useless tissue and webbing. It takes three seconds. One... two... three..."
Now this fight. In amazing Spider-Man ultimate collection volume 5. Spidey fights kingpin as Peter Parker. We are talking loss of teeth. Skin being yanked and stretched and spidey at one point slapping... not punching. Slapping the kingpin to near death. This is a man who is 98% raw muscle. And he is getting the proverbial crap beaten out of him by a back hand.
If garfield's spiderman is anywhere close to that the years show on him.
So why did I bring this all up. Because this film could drum up interest for the spidey multiverse and if we get a glimpse of future Toby and Garfield spiderman life or even miles morals in "Spider men" that would be awsome
I want to point out that they could still have Norman Osborne in the main MCU universe.
Rather than Oscorp however his company would be Alchemax.
It doesn't even need to be norman osborne in name but in personality.
This could potentially bring Hobgoblin. The whole point of HG was that they wanted a new Goblin because GG was either dead or gone
I’m glad to see them have these discussions in the same room again. It’s just alot more intimate (:
You are absolutely right about so many of the ideas and points made in this video
One thing I genuinely hope they address in the next spiderman movie is... the immorality of Peter's decision to NOT tell them. Don't get me wrong, I FUCKING LOVED that scene and imo it made complete sense for the character, but... that wasn't his decision to make at the end of the day. To not tell them the truth "for their own good." It makes sense for him to do that, but both of them when they were told that they were about to lose their memories of him, were horrified and they didn't want for that to happen and were only comforted by the knowledge that Peter would come back to them. Throughout the movie there was this constant feeling of peter feeling bad that his best friend and girlfriend knew him because he got them caught in the crossfire. But time and time again they made their position clear "they are his friends and they will stand by him through thick and thin." In doing so, he effectively removed the agency of the two people closest to him.
i agree with this comment
On the other hand, this opens up new opportunities: Peter is now all alone so he might dawn the Black suit and hopefully meet Black Cat
1 thing i love is how even after the spell zendeya still has the broken dahlia necklace
Like spiderverse Spider-Man fans are in for a treat .I remember watching this on Friday
Oh man, you guys came out with this super fast thanks :-D
? Tom and Zendaya have been very open about their relationship. How is it not confirmed? What?
I just came back from seeing this movie, and man…I might have to mull it over a bit, but it just might be the best Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2. And I enjoyed *EVERY* minute of it and entirely can’t wait to see what they do with Spider-Man in the MCU going forward.
Glad I saw the movie in early screenings so I can see this review as soon as possible.
Absolutely loved it. The highlight for me was all of the interactions Toby and Andrew had with MJ, Ned, and of course peter. They all played off each other so well, there was a lot of humour and heart. Just fantastic. I am curious about the spell at the end, and how far it will reach. Strange says earlier that entire world will forget. But what about the people off world? Is it going to reach Fury and whoever else is on that ship? Thor? Guardians? Captain Marvel? They all know of Peter in some capacity.
The bit where they talk about being famous enough to be big at conventions but not the drive thru reminds me of the Dan Green interview where he does the laundry bit in his Pharoah voice
I absolutely loved this movie! Only complaint I really had with it though was what they did with Aunt May. Because they basically turned her from a narrative standpoint *into* Uncle Ben. Which feels really weird because yeah, Civil War implied that Peter already had his Uncle Ben "with great power" moment offscreen in the past. It was one of the things I specifically remember people praising Civil War for because it didn't do the Batman thing of killing the Waynes in every film. So giving that moment to Aunt May sort of raises the question of what important lesson did Uncle Ben impart, and it will be really awkward now if that prequel animated show just reuses "with great power" since it won't feel as genuine. Also in turning May's role in the story into Ben's, it does sorta kinda end up counting as fridging her, which is a biiit awkward. That said though, it was a very well acted and directed and written moment so it definitely works. It just gives me some issues on a more meta narrative level.
When May said the line, Peter responded with "I know". So I guess the idea of the scene is less so about May imparting that wisdom unto Peter, and more so reminding him of why he does what he does. She's pulling him out of that state of self-pity he's been in due to his identity getting revealed and helping him reconnect with who Spider-Man is after the lines between Peter and Spidey were blurred.
That said, I do see that May basically did replace Ben from a narrative perspective. Besides, when Ben shows up in Freshmen Year, I don't necessarily think they need to use the Great Responsibility line verbatim. Like, in Amazing Fantasy 15, the line is part of the narration box. It wasn't retconned into being something Ben said until way later. And considering that Peter says the meaning behind the line in Civil War without saying the line verbatim, I think it is possible that he received the sentiment from feeling guilty for Ben's death, but it wasn't put into those iconic words until May said them.
aunt mays death was my only problem with this movie. lets say uncle ben DOESNT exist in this universe. even without uncle ben existing the moment aunt may dies still feels unnecessary because this peter even without uncle ben has already been through the pain of losing a mentor/parental figure with tony stark dying in endgame. and the whole reason tony stark died was literally because he ended up being a living example of “great power great responsibility” by sacrificing himself for the whole universe, and peter witnesses that firsthand. so not only has he already had a mentor/parent die but they also died imparting some wisdom to him hence why he says “i know” when aunt may dies telling him. idk man i know aunt may HAD to die because the writers really wanted everyone to forget who peter parker is and having aunt may alive would complicate that, its just her whole death and the way it was handled left a bad taste in my mouth from an otherwise really good fun movie with a lot of heart. also where is uncle bens gravestone? i dont even care if the moment happened with ben and peter anymore at this point i really do just wanna see some ACTUAL proof that uncle ben existed besides some letters on a briefcase that could actually mean anything
@@peter42liter93 I actually didn't mind that Aunt May died. Not because I disliked her or anything like that; rather, I took a different viewpoint of it all. Ben's death was about "the cost of inaction when you have the power to take action", while May's death is more about "no good deed goes unpunished", to quote Green Goblin in the film.
Imo, this movie was to teach Peter that sometimes, no matter how hard you try and regardless of your intentions, bad things will happen. It also teaches Peter about how you are defined not by the bad or good things in your life, but in your actions during those good or bad moments. That was my takeaway from the movie, and what I always liked about Spider-Man; he always tries to save people, taking the path less travelled, not the easy path.
@@pfagan24 i can get where you’re coming from, but the whole “no good deed goes unpunished” lesson was also learned when the villains themselves just decided that they dont want peters help, aunt may didnt really have to die for him to learn that bad things will still happen even when trying to be good. idk to me at least it just felt like the writers decided to kill aunt may because they were really hell bent determined on the spell specifically being “everyone forgets peter parker” when instead it couldve been “everyone forgets spiderman is peter parker” cuz with that aunt may could live with no problems but if the spell is everyone forgets only peter parker exists then that gets complicated if aunt may is still alive. so yeah basically just feel like aunt may died cuz the writers wanted her to instead of because it was necessary for the plot, which im not a fan of it kinda just took me out of the movie. but ey everyone can have their own opinion and i dont hate people who like what i dont
@@peter42liter93 I understand your point too, and you're entitled to your opinion too. If you didn't like it, that's perfectly fine.
I just think the villains just deciding they don't want his help anymore doesn't actually fit the punished for a good deed theme. If they went with "you can't save everyone", then the villains turning him down makes enough sense, but it's not really a punishment for them to just say no. It could have been Ned or MJ in May's place, but someone was definitely going to have to be truly hurt (at minimum) because of Peter's actions for the good deed punishment to work. Slap on wrist vs cutting off a hand, sort of thing.
Again those are my thoughts on it, and you're absolutely welcome to disagree. Either way, it was a pretty damned impressive movie they had almost no chance of pulling off, but they damn well did imo.
Was waiting for this video and was not disappointed.
For the first time in a Spider-Man live action film, they did multiple antagonists and it did not suck ass. And it took a reflection of all their past movies in order to do it. It is literally a “third time’s the charm” kind of deal.
Personally, while Scorpion or Kraven would be great choices, for the next villain, I wanna see Kingpin. Why? Because not only would it connect back to the street level New York style that Spider-Man is known for, it would give us Daredevil, not just Matt Murdock, teaming up with Spider-Man to stop him. And yeah, we did already have a Spider Man film with Kingpin as the main villain, but not in live action and not with Daredevil. Also, yes to Black Cat, now is the perfect time to introduce her.
Overall, this was the best MCU Spider-Man film for me bar none. I didn’t love the first two for how childish they seemed compared to the rest of the MCU, but this one felt like witnessing that child we saw Peter as in those films essentially becoming a man. It’s the best live action Spidey film since Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 2. And now, Sony and Disney have over a billion reasons to make more movies with him.
I dont think ned and MJ are coming back. They've made it pretty clear in interviews they see it as a finale. Next one will likely be a sort of soft reboot with a new director and only retain holland
Also they seem to be moving towards Black Suit Spiderman and the College Sagas. It's likely then an MCU version of Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy will take up the love interest roles.
@@ssjjshawn Which I'm perfectly fine with.
That’s both super sad because all three of them have great chemistry together but if it’s what they see as a fitting end I’m okay with that.
My only gripe is that we didn’t get a scene where Tobey (and Andrew cause why not) ends up seeing a video of JJ and is like oh hey! That’s Jonah right?! And Toms like omg what he exists in your universe as well? And theyre like hm I guess somethings don’t change or something like that idk but that would’ve been perfect
Yeah, that’s like the one missed opportunity in this movie for me lol.
I loved Stefan's idea for the next Spider Man movie, the younger Peter's life compared to now, the introduction of the black suit, of black cat, scorpion and kraven, it'd be spectacular
It’s my second or third favorite Spiderman movie, depending if we count into the spiderverse (if so it’s top three)
But I really enjoyed hearing y’all opinions
The scene with the three Peter's bantering to each other on the Statue of Liberty has become my single favourite scene in a Comic Book movie
This movie was done so well and I will be watching it again.
I keep replaying the beginning of you guys singing 'Hero'
The Danny Elfmans Spiderman theme playing made me tear up.
Oh shit, did Nick take all of Stephan’s hair?
I thought that too
He pulled a Buu
Scott: Stephan he stole your due!
Stephan: I'll f*cking kill him (tackles Lani)
I wonder if they'll introduce Miles Morales into the MCU more officially in a post Thanos snap world rather than the easter egg in Homecoming with Donald Glover as Aaron Davis giving Miles a call, maybe he can be Peter's roommate in upcoming Spiderman movies.
I had to go back and watch that scene from civil war where Peter alludes to Uncle Ben. He never specifically states that he lost anyone, instead saying something along the lines of "when bad things happen, and you could have done something about it, then the bad things happen because of you". While having a flashback scene Aunt May and Uncle Ben would be interesting for a future Spider-Man film, I don't think it's really necessary, because in this film Aunt May served the role as Uncle Ben.
watching this now after just getting out of the re-release of NWH in theaters. like when they did it for Far from home, where they added a few of extra scenes in the places where they where meant to go. like the elevator scene and an added one with Matt.
honestly after seeing the film last night, is Sony really wants to keep doing their own spiderverse movies, Garfield would be a perfect fit, he comes fully packaged at this point and could fit straight in to what they've done with venom
Random thought about Obsourne/Oscorp. I think for Spidey 4, Peter ends up trying to track down and "save" all four of the villains he met before they can become villains. So he helps Connors with his research and stops him from becoming Lizard, he helps Octavius, and maybe even meets Harry and Norman. And in saving Norman from becoming Green Goblin, we instead somehow get Hobgoblin. Helping Connors maybe somehow gets us to Scorpion, or maybe Kraven. Something like that.
I definitely want to hear their opinions on Eternals. I personally loved it. It was such a different MCU movie and I think that's something the MCU needed.
Aw man I can't wait to see the next chapter of Peter's story. Also. A certain character learning more about a certain ring, and another person getting to read a certain letter
I love Scott's love for Spidey and this movie. God what a beautiful film. We Spidey fans are blessed!
The first time i ever heard that song they sung at the start was in an Optimus Prime music video back in 2005.
1:05:12
1st Movie: Black Suit
2nd Movie: Venom
3rd Movie: Agent Venom
A think a big piece of missing context to the entire middle half is that Marvel did not have the movie rights to Oscorp or any of the original Spiderman villains until the MCU was very well established
Bit of an odd comment here, not trying to be weird, *love* the video, love everyone's takes, Kaiser feel free to let your opinions out, don't listen to the haters. That said...
Nick/Lanni, you're looking *good.* Evolved from like classic nerd in erlier TFS live bits into like this midwestern 30-something vibe that's just chill and sharp. In no creepy way you're looking your best.
I've been away from TFS content for a while and it's odd returning and seeing this.
I like the idea of introducing the black suit and keeping it through out the whole movie and have Peter either get darker or somewhat tame it a little and even have it show up a a different movie
So first loved the movie. But I'd like to lean into ideas for the future and what we could get from the next standalone Spiderman movie and beyond
Since we have Peter knowing something is up with Matt Murdock I can see him and Daredevil teaming up as street level heroes. This would likely lead them to crossing paths with Kingpin and forming a big street level villain with him. We have the Dark Avengers/ Thunderbolts (same or different I don't remember) being formed possibly by Kingpin. So I could see him hiring Kraven the Hunter to well. Hunt down Spiderman and Daredevil (maybe). During this time we have the Symbiote (who might lead into Null the Symbiote God with Thor having Gorr the God Killer and his sword being made by Null plus No-Where meaning this or similar events did happen in aeons past) so now there is a self replicating species in the MCU
This Symbiote seems to (my thoughts) have the last thoughts of Venom being find Spiderman so it would likely track its way up taking time to get there. Maybe being captured by one of the many alien concious groups and governments on earth. Possibly leading to an Agent Venom situation and this getting it to New York in the 5th Spiderman movie. So some long term set up. Leading to it eventually ditching its current host to join Peter after a fight. Alternatively it could find its way to Flash as Flash seems to have a bit of a desire to be a hero and seen, has some lonely parenting issues and generally seems ripe for emotion tugging friendship/ manipulation. So he could take the Symbiote even for a bit or possibly MJ could (as I believe she became She-Venom at some point in a comic). So we could get the Symbiote as this ambigious entity that doesn't fall good or evil but learns from its hosts (though if a child of Venom like Carnage would it also need to feast on brains or chocolate?) But the Symbiote can then connect with the wider world. Be it's own thing and effect the MCU as a whole. Especially if Null is a thing in it
So after my little symbiote loving splurge I think we'll get Kraven and Kingpin for the next film and then Venom/ Symbiote turning up. As for the last. Who knows there aren't any shortages of a rougues gallery for Peter and Marvel as a whole. Plus this could be a good 8 years off and who knows what state the world of the MCU will be in then with Secret Invasion incoming (which will also be interesting as remember Peter isn't aware of Skrulls as he was susprised to learn Fury was offworld so he would have questions)
Edit: Miles can easily come in now. I can see potentially after Strange 2 Mutants start to pop up and so Miles non spider abilities start to manifest and later he gets his spider abilities. Confused and unsure Peter comes across him and maturing takes the role of a mentor on Miles and the two work as a team (maybe Miles gets the Symbiote or saves Peter from it)
“You not even the shit no more.”
“Ahhh.”
idk if y’all noticed but tom holland never got a shot on otto as a nod to the plot hole that otto was a normal guy taking shots from tobey’s spider-man
Straight up, this movie is probably the best Spider-Man movie and the first real Spider-Man movie in the MCU. We don’t have an Ironman Jr movie like the last two, this is a real Spider-Man movie.
And all it took was taking other directors villains who actually have a connection to spider-man
God, that beginning. YEAH, I AGREE!
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It’s really funny how you guys compared it to ROS and one of the last shots in the movie is of an Emperor Palpatine Minifigure I think.😅
Theory of the spell for the memory wipe. It erased every media/document related to Peter Parker down to just the bare basic of just him being a random citizen. That would explain why he still able to do stuff like rent an apartment and study for GED. Those stuff be needing social security, bank info, birth certificate, and such
The minute I heard the laugh and saw the Pumpkin Bomb - I knew it was Dafoes Goblin, and much like Keaton being in Flash has me sold seeing the film when I can when I wasn't otherwise interested because I loved the hell out of his Green Goblin as hammy as it is. And I'm glad to hear the rumors were true about Cox (many people had thrown it out, and Feige in an interview made a very specific comment that hinted he was going to be back as Matt Murdock).
Which I'm hoping when I see it, it gives me some drive to actually want to watch the movies again, because the last Marvel film I actually enjoyed was Black Panther, other than Eternals, which I haven't seen yet, every film has maybe had some great moments, but overall been honestly at best mediocre or outright disliked, and usually because of writing, plot and honestly villains not being that great again. And yes - I include infinity War/Endgame and Thanos on that list for a number of reasons including all the issues in Thanos's plan (For all the people who talked about the 'plot hole' where in Guardians 1 it says Gamorra is the last of her people yet Thanos says her world is a paradise - they don't seem to realize that wiping out half the population that survived the original attack, and the damage to shelters, food stocks, etc may have actually doomed the civilization and his line about it 'being a paradise' is not a lie because he is unaware that the civilization has collapsed and gone extinct while he was doing the same to countless other worlds - which that potential outcome on any given world is one of my many issues with the plan). I liked Hawkeye so far, even if a bit slow and the other shows, but the movies are just dragging - again issues with Endgame and really Infinity War before it this should have been setting up Phase 4 and a continuation a bit more not Phase 4 being almost a ground up rebuild.
Rise of Skywalker and no way home were both movies that I watched in theaters on Christmas Eve, so I had some trouble not comparing them
@27:06 the term you were looking for is Amnesticize [ thanks SCP foundation]
50:31 actually in the morbius trailer you can see a poster of what looks like Andrew Garfield Spider-Man suit with the word murder on it.
52:54 I believe that the symbiote is going to find MJ or Ned and use them find peter but when he connects with them their memories return. They become the evil Vemon because they feel abandoned by Peter
How did you guys not bring up Osbourne saying he was a bit of a scientist himself!!!! 😂
Now they just need to have Jameson from both iterations by J. K. Simmons in the same room and do the pointing Spider-man meme
Not enough talking on how awesome Molina/Doc Ock was in this film! His acting style I felt like grounded the mood of the movie in several moments. other than that, the entire film was fantastic. Its my favorite marvel film and rivals Spider-verse alot for me
Doctor strange was sorcerer supreme by the end of his movie. They even referenced the fact that Wong is on sorcerer supreme because Strange disappeared for 5 years.
Yeah, which is why he was entrusted with the Eye of Agamotto at the end of his solo movie, which is the Sorcerer Supreme's job.
That means wong went to a cage fight as the most important sorcerer on earth lmao
@@Couldbedumber I like to think of that scene is Wong giving him a therapy session. Dude has a lot of issues to work out.
Spoilers for PS4 Spider-Man as well as this movie
I like how in both pieces of media Uncle Ben dies because Peter didn’t use his great power responsibly, offscreen because we’ve been through this song and dance before, but Aunt May dies because of Peter’s responsibility. It is very sad but still shows that even the right thing to do has consequences.
They’re absolutely right about the creators listening to all the criticisms of what most Spidey fans had with the MCU Spidey and fixed it all. That’s something that should’ve been done for Star Wars Rise Of Skywalker, I feel.
"Not getting Battleworld any time soon." Oh you sweet summer child.
I think the issue about bringing up Uncle Ben in the next movie is the fact it takes away from Aunt May's death and the line she brought into the multiverse film. Another issue is that when you bring up Uncle Ben, even for a flashback, it has to revolve and create and overall lesson. What does bringing this up resolve throughout the movie. I think there has do be a lot of thought if you are going to do that. One way that they can do this without taking away what happened to Aunt May is the animated series that they are going to do with Spiderman.
Does this video count as a Talkcast Podshow? Because I really want to hear you guys talk about Arcane.
I've always wanted a Willem Dafoe joker and if this is the closest we ever get to that I'll be happy
Hand to God totally had them playing Hero by Nickelback before I went to go see it. 😂
I was half asleep and twice as high as i should have been when i watched this so at least half feels like a fever dream.
Think i actually caught some spiderman game references. Dont know is “Feast” is a comic thing, id never heard of it till the game. And the attack peter does that sends him and goblin through a stone balcony in thier first fight looks real familiar
I REALLY want Venom in the MCU. But I think that a whole movie with just the black suit story is a really good idea. And Black Cat would also be a great edition to that kind of story
"You might get some people who try to, like, copycat some of these characters..."
HobGoblin!
You’re not wrong. I loved the movie. This showed ip while i was walking home from the late screening. Absolutely awesome movie.
I personally could see the next Spiderman go 2 ways if Black Cat is involved like you guys are speculating; Kraven being introduced because Felecia Hardy robbed him at some point (plus we get the ultimate hunter going after 2 animal themed characters), or they could pull something off like the first Spiderman DLC where she robs Hammerhead and Kraven is a hitman hired to deal with them. Either way could be an ideal setting for the end credits to involve J. Jonah Jameson contacted Gargon to work on the Scorpion origins. As for Daredevil, I really wish the Netflix series was canon in the MCU because those were fantastic arcs with him trying to stop Kingpin, interacting with Frank Castle and Elektra, to the semi-final conclusion of putting away Kingpin almost for good and bringing in Bullseye. The big question regarding the Fantastic 4 Spiderman cross over is how are they going to introduce Dr. Doom? Based on comic lore he was at one point a contender to replace Iron Man both in bank funds and genius technology innovations.
10:45 … When did Tony even talk about security Vs freedom in Endgame? I don’t remember this.