Why Spider-Man No Way Home is our New FAVORITE Marvel Movie | REVIEW [J vs Ben]
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Today J and Ben give their full SPOILER Review of Spider-Man No Way Home and try and determine if is in fact the greatest Marvel movie ever made!
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What do you think? Best Marvel Movie EVER?!
Its up there !
Nothing will ever top Endgame. I'd say No Way Home is fifth.
DEFINITELY
YES
Yes! Very much so!!!
The scene in the apartment when Peter’s spidey senses go off is one of the best in the MCU in my opinion. He knows that one of the villains is about to turn on him, but he doesn’t know who. He also knows May is in danger which sets him off. As soon as he realizes it’s Norman he immediately shoots webs at him. No hesitation, just trying to diffuse the threat. To top it off, it sets up the AMAZING fight between Peter and Norman.
IKR!! It was AMAZING
This scene brought the horror element. We as the audience even knew who it was but it was still terrifying not knowing what Norman was going to do!! 🥶🥶
That's so true. It was AT ANOTHER LEVEL!!
@@Shngster were we supposed to know who was going to betray spiderman?
@@hunter-6125 If you know a deep lore about Goblin, then yeah. Because he's the only with a for real and true, split personality. Norman is a good person (in these universes at least). Norman *wants* to be a good person. But the Goblin takes over.
I love that Peter gets tonrealize that in other universes, its just him by himself. No Avengers, no Tony no one! Thats what he needed. To know that he can do things as Spider-Man independent of any other hero
Bruh, THIS!
Ohhhhh I hadn't thought about this !!
YESSS
That's true, but pre-civil war we saw he was already doing the "friendly neighbourhood spiderman" thing all by himself.
How could it be best ever if it's firstr 20 Minutes are SO CRIN-E??
I mean, wow, what a dumbed-down Peter Parker.
Meant to not be mentally-disabled-much but to be a Genius Level intellect. Oopsie?
I’m so glad they kept Doc Ock good after Peter helped him, I was really worried that the shock from Electro would make him go bad again but seeing him show up and actually help at the end was so good
such a great payoff since he was such a wholesom man before his mind got corrupted
I was wondering the same thing at the time
And not thinking more about it... He could have been pretending that he was still back to normal after the shock,, in order to be sent back as he was
Then we got that heartwarming scene between him and Tobey, which was perfect and I loved every moment of.
It might just be me, particularly because I don't know the first two Spider-Man series as well anymore, but Sandman kind of confused me a bit. He was all good at first, helping, then he wanted to be cured to go back to his daughter, but then it feels like he kind of switched too easily without all that much convincing? And then there's The Lizard, which I know wasn't super fleshed out (also I hardly remember anything about him), but I ended up questioning a few things (again, mostly in a "evidently I'm forgetting something" kind of way). Why exactly was he left in the van? And I get he wasn't really up for being "cured" but I felt like there was just a tiny bit missing somewhere with him (aside from "he bad", but again that's probably mostly just on me).
As for what the guys were saying about people who haven't seen the first two Spider-Man series, I think they'd be confused some, or just kind of have to take things as they come like "okay, that's how that is", not enough explanation for some things. Like, granted I can't remember them very well, but still I _have_ seen them yet I felt a bit left behind with what's going on with Green Goblin. I can more or less piece together what I "think" was his deal, but like the the switching, father-son stuff, dark side was like... information but not exactly explanation/understanding. So people without a clue just kind of have to take it at face value and not feel like they need a huge understanding because they know there are so many villains going on.
The part where Andrew saves MJ is amazing. It’s a perfect Spider-Man moment because he didn’t think twice about trying to save MJ even though he had failed at saving Gwen. The worst thing he had ever experienced wasn’t enough to stop him from trying again. And he succeeded. It was my favorite part
The fact that he started crying afterwards it was this moment when me and my Freind just looked at each other and we could both tell he was thinking about Gwen and it was the only part in the movie when I shed a tear
soooo true... I cried (fun fact: I was reading a book before the cinema where the main characters wife died because he tried to shot the man holding her hostage and he shot the girl because the villain moved her into the bullet's way... and after the cinema i got to the point in the book where he gets intos a similar situation with a young girl and this time he manages to save her. It was strange to have tha same situation in the film and a completely different book)
I noticed that he grabbed her as if she was really going to break if he touched her.
I've never went from fine to sobbing so quickly
That scene was boring and deffo not amazing
Andrew had his redemption with saving MJ, but I think Toby's redemption is preventing Tom from succumbing to his anger and killing the murder of his aunt. Because if I remember correctly, after Uncle Ben is killed, Toby chases the robber in hopes of retaliation and lets him die (not killing him directly) when he falls out of the window.
Then that part in spiderman 3 where Tobey Peter actually tracks down sandman to kill him. He knew how Tom Peter felt in that moment too well
Not only is he preventing Tom Holland’s Spider-Man from giving into revenge, but he’s also preventing Green Goblin from being impaled by his glider once again
@@Dan-tr5kw Peter/Tobey’s version thought of Norman kinda like a father or an uncle figure because he is like pretty much like brothers with Harry
(in Pitch Meeting voice) Oh, redemption arcs are tight!
@@charleslee8313 wow wow wow wow
I’m surprised nobody is talking about Ned being able to use the sling ring. Do you remember how difficult it was for Strange to get the hang of it? The has future plot potential, even with Ned’s memory gone.
I have been scrolling looking for this comment. This was such an amazing part of the movie.
Especially with Strange being impressed with how well Ned was able to use it
But he wouldn't remember that he was impressed since he only knows him through Peter who he no longer remembers
@supercarlinbrothers your thoughts?
It harder for strange because his hand is crippled so he can't focused and think "i can't do it" so he need a little push
One of the big emotional scenes for me was when Peter was on the roof after losing Aunt May and MJ and Ned just went and hugged him. Nobody said anything Ned and MJ just knew, it was a great demonstration of how close the 3 had gotten.
Only for it to be ripped away at the end. 😭😭
I think the Toby moment with him avoiding Tom killing the goblin wasn't because he couldn't save the goblin before, the moment was Toby saving Tom from the anger and guilt he felt when the thief that "killed" uncle Ben died as he had wanted for revenge
Both
just wanted to write the same comment! while he is happy he saved the goblin which he wasnt able to before, he did it mostly to prevent tom from doing the same mistake he has done.
he also as well talks about his get vengence in spider-man 3..... you should watch the "ultimate cut" ua-cam.com/video/pnxJUmViCf8/v-deo.html
Top 5 favourite scenes:
1. When Ned says "Peter" and all 3 Peters point at each other (referencing the meme).
2. Andrew saves MJ.
3. Andrew and Tobey arrive.
4. The final battle
5. Charlie Cox appearing as Matt Murdock (the Marvel Netflix shows version of Daredevil).
I was the only person in my vicinity who gasped when Matt came on screen.
I wonder what the people who didn’t know it was Daredevil thought of him catching the brick lol.
My entire theater gasped when Matt came on and when he caught that brick and then was not seen in the movie I was so sad
good choices but all i have to say is "My back!"
@@jeremiahdaniels8974 yes lol!!! It was just me and a few other people around me who were excited. I sat there afterwards like… is no one else seeing this? for real??!?! THATS DAREDEVIL!!!
@@jeremiahdaniels8974 i have no idea who Daredevil is and that scene was confusing lol. I just moved on bc there were other stuff to worry about. But hearing about it in this video made me wide eyed, that's very cool!
Something I loved about Andrew Garfield saying “Spider-Man 3!!” is he never got a 3rd movie so it felt like a very tongue-in-cheek roast 😂
It was “Peter 3” but I get what you mean tho lol my mind didnt think of that kind of implication, that’s actually quite funny!
Or maybe it was a hint to a third amazing spiderman film
I loved when Tobey Maguire was telling him that he's amazing because that was the title of his movies
Garfield really got the short end of the stick man... His spiderman deserved better and more recognition!
Technically he got the third movie though.
I think that when doctor strange changed the spell "six" times and Peter corrects him, doctor strange is right. It was changed 6 times. MJ, Ned, Happy, May and Everyone else makes 5. But I think Strange added himself in there as well, because he also loves Peter. That would also explain why he helps him.
I love that.
That's a really sweet theory. Now I want to watch that scene again to check how many magic lines he makes!
Also there are five villains, plus in a way a sixth since Mysterio is the reason the whole movie happened. The number 6 is big in the MCU - hexagons, infinity stones, number of original Avengers...
@@miriamrosemary9110 there is a 6th villain, venom arrives as well
this is taken from a New Rockstar’s video.
Or I’m wrong and people have similar ideas. Which makes sense because I’m pretty sure all Marvel nerds have an entire Marvel hive mind. I admit to being one, and am UNAWARE of a hive mind.
Yet it is still possible somehow.
@@Pommy6 yeaah that’s what I thought reading the comment as well… I literally just finished watching their breakdown and the phrasing is way too similar lol
They did explain Strange's willingness a bit.
Strange straight up said that he's done it before, to make Wong forget a party which is what I want to see flashbacks of in the next Doctor Strange movie
Yeah but the difference between having a group of people forget a party and the entire world forgetting Spiderman's true identity is pretty big
Also, Peter says the line : it’s not about me, i need to protect those around me. This is VERY close to one of the last lines said by the ancient one
@@thefancytophat3662 which kind of makes Strange's backlash at Peter for "not calling MIT to ask them to reconsider" rather silly since the spell wasn't just to get MJ and Ned into MIT in the first place. MIT or no, Peter and everyone he knew were being constantly harassed and threatened.
Peter saved Dr Strange life two times in Infinity War....that's enough.
There was a cool little Dumbledore moment for Strange, when he was like “sometimes I forget how young you are” that I really liked
Now that you say that, I really want Dumbledore and Dr. Strange to somehow meet. Probably in a fan made thing because that would junk up a whole lot of the MCU lol
The jokes between the Peters are so funny. The “You’re amazing” line always gets me
Agreed. I also love how just b4 the three spideys went into battle with their plan, Andrew's Spidey says "Wait!" and when they turn back he says "I love u guys!". Its adorable
When I heard that, I went "Oh, I see what you did there."
@@charleslee8313 I loved that moment, but didn't realize it was a reference to something. What is it? It's been a while since I've seen some of the old films
@@miriamrosemary9110 the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man series is called "The Amazing Spider-Man" 😅
@@miriamrosemary9110 His movies are called The Amazing Spider-Man. Also, on a meta level, it's Tobey reaffirming Andrew as an amazing Spider-Man despite his movies getting a lot of hate
When you guys started talking about Strange saying “We love you”, I started crying again. I feel like it almost encapsulated the “We are groot” moment.
19:41 as someone who was too young/didn’t grow up in a superhero movie household I’d say that it does not dampen the experience, but it makes me INSANELY jealous of what all the OG fans must be feeling. I got into the MCU right before quarantine and it would be on of my biggest regrets that I never got to experience the feeling of being an OG fan. But it’s still an amazing experience.
So you hadnt watches the older Spiderman movies when u watched this?
@@Sullytaan if I’m being honest, I had only seen the first Toby movie, but I’ve seen reviews, memes and other content about all the other movies so I had a vague idea of what happened in them. But I’ve since watched them after seeing NWH and now Spider-Man 2 is one of my favorite movies :)
This movie was really good but Andrews and Tobys presence made this movie so much better. Also the actors from the original movies were great cus they still manage to pull it off even tho some are pretty old
Especially the guy who played Norman Osborne
@@dedefakolujo5304 yeah he may have a chance to break out as an a lister after this movies done so well
@@johnmartin9846 you realise his actor (Willem Dafoe) is already an A Lister, right? ;)
@@tupacaclyps very much so. /s may need to be added retroactively. Just thought it was funny @Dede Fakolujo refered to him as the guy who played Norman and not as willem dafoe
@@dedefakolujo5304 yeah. That man is like 65 and he still kills it
I really loved how the marketing of this movie was handled. The trailers showed off the villains from the other movies,, but not the other spidermans. The inclusion of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield was so heavily rumored and leaked beforehand and the inclusion of the other villains supported it so everyone was 98% sure that they were going to be in it, but it was never fully confirmed. So everyone still went to watch the movie to see the other spidermans, but had that very small doubt that they weren't going to be in it. Which made their entrance so much more exciting to see. In addition to that, that made my theater experience watching it the best experience I have ever had in a theater. Everyone was just a massive fan being respectful to everyone else watching, but was also incredibly excited while cheering a lot for the best parts.
However you're trying to spin it, their entrances would've been a million times more exciting if it hadn't been spoiled. Fans like you tryna explain how that was planned lol pathetic
@@RealGaIaxy ??? Yeah, of course. What I'm saying is that since it was already spoiled, this was the next best thing they could do.
How could it be best ever if it's firstr 20 Minutes are SO CRIN-E??
I mean, wow, what a dumbed-down Peter Parker.
Meant to not be mentally-disabled-much but to be a Genius Level intellect. Oopsie?
You know how in movies they show everyone clap at a big part, that definitely happened
Man I tried my darkest to avoid any spoilers o much I watched the 1st trailer 1 time and it still got spoiled that there were the other spider man in this movie
I love how both the old Spiderman got their redemption. Tobey’s Spidey redeemed himself of his murdering Uncle Ben’s supposed killer in Spiderman 1 by stopping Tom’s Spidey from murdering Aunt May’s killer. And then obviously Andrew saving MJ. Just beautiful storytelling
one of my most favored moments is after the spidy hug, when andrew is like "it hurts am i right?" and toby "it effing hurts"
its such a great moment where one can see such a simple thing for spidy. never showing weakness, be a role model. especially in this moment he does not falter to an ouch since he is the veteran and does not want the young one to be of sorrow :D but the vets are like "jup we know"
I can confirm that, as someone who has not seen the Toby or Andrew spidey movies, their presence and like redemption stuff was still impactful. That being said I did know like the important plot stuff from those movies just as like background knowledge that I had acquired at some point.
Same, I had heard bits and pieces of what happened in the movies, but hadn't watched any them. And I still loved all of the references and seeing all the Peter's together. And I teared up at Andrew saving MJ 😭
@@silver9wolf6 You two should really see them, they're great! Old but gold. I feel old now too 😂
Kinda same. I've seen the movies since then and wow!
They're great movies, and fun to watch, but don't go into it expecting a Marvel movie or you'll probably be disappointed. Marvel has found something pretty magical in the way they make movies and both other Spiderman's are not only Sony properties, but they predate the revelation Sony had while making Into the Spiderverse. Which is an amazing movie, save that one for last in your Spiderman binge.
I feel like they explained it pretty well, like Tobey said he had been thinking about it for years, Andrew said basically been there done that, and Tom had already made the cure for Sandman and Electro just needed to be fixed. I also teared up at the moment where they tell Andrews Spider-Man he was amazing because its something that not only Andrews Peter needed to hear but also Andrew Garfield needed to hear.
Agreed
And it's also a reference to the title of his movies "The *Amazing* Spiderman"
@@WigantX true so true. i would like to joke about it but there defenitly will be people looking at this comment and realize what they missed. so kudos to you! (fun fact for germans its easier to get the reference :D since everything is translated exept the amazing)
there were so many great moments in that sequence!
Can confirm that my six-year-old was like "Oh, other Spider-Mans!" and then later asked about it and she thought it was SO COOL when I explained it to her...and she'd already thought it was the coolest thing she'd ever watched (that wasn't Sonic, heh)
Can't believe they didn't talk about the line "It doesn't hurt anymore." Its such a casual yet meaningful line that I think really gave Peter some clarity made him choose how he did. Im hung on this line so bad, I think its brilliant
which scene was this again?
@@alyshali5773 at the very end of the movie, when he goes to try and get MJ and Ned to remember but decides against it
@@thetubemz937 oohh
I know!!! The moment MJ said that I was like "Oh, Peter...you're going to walk away, aren't you." And then he _did,_ and my heart _broke,_ but there was a small part of me that was proud of him for putting MJ's safety before his love for her.
I didn't even think about that
Even with making the cures, it makes sense why it was so easy. Not only had Tom looked into it earlier, but so had Andrew and Tobey. Andrew pointed out how he’d already cured Octavius, and Tobey mentioned that he’d spent a long time thinking about how he could have cured Osborn, which was his first big failure as Spiderman
I wouldn’t be surprised if another reason Tobey Parker thought so much about how he could’ve saved Norman was because, if he did, it very well might’ve saved Harry, too
Btw Andrew cured the Lizard not Octavius because Doc Ock is from the RamiVerse not the TASMVerse
@@mouseman3203 yes, but he whipped up the cure saying ‘I’ve already cured Octavius once, so it’ll be easy.’ Presumably, there was an Octavius in his universe as well. It makes sense as his arms can be seen in Amazing Spiderman 2
@@junai3618 Ohhh ok sorry about that I thought you were talking about the Rami Octavius
@@mouseman3203 yeah, that scene was kinda confusing at times. Entertaining, but still
We have to consider how Dr Strange feels for Peter especially considering this is a teenager who has experienced so much trauma with the avengers and now is exposed and alone after being outed. Any empathic person would like to help. I get why doctor strange was willing to help. He even says, the people that love you, we will forget you. Love makes us do some risky things
I think also he just didn't think it would be a risky spell. He had said he did it before for some party so I think he thought it would be a routine spell that wouldnt be a big deal. Also im not sure if strange really loves peter, they haven't really known each other for long I think its been less than a year since they were both blipped and theyve barely spent time together. He did say people who know and love you, and I think he would be in the know category.
It makes me wonder for the Multiverse of Madness if it'll be revealed that Doctor Strange made sure he'll still remember Peter Tom. He's definitely the guy who would want to be aware of everything
@@cassied97 and maybe it goes wrong and pulls in Stranges from other universes, like the Dark Strange we see in the teaser at the end of the credits 🤔
Peter and dr strange haven’t spent that much time together. The time on Titan, then they were dusted, then the end game battle, and Tony’s funeral. I think dr strange was really out of character in this film. Saying the scooby doo line twice was so cringe
I think my favorite scene was when all the Peters were just casually talking about the craziest villains they fought. That is some straight up fanfiction come to life and I love it.
I don’t think the cure stuff was that farfetched…3 genius Peters in the most technologically advanced universe. I just think it was way faster than reasonable. Also, the idea of helping/healing the antagonist feels pretty new in superhero films.
Exactly. The reason I think they could fund tech cures is that most of the old spider-man villains are good people tech gone wrong stories. Tech from the other universes backfiring and creating monsters. Most aren’t villains because they want to be, their villains because freak accidents happened. Tom Peter realized that, and they even showed that they never were truly all bad in that they willingly went with Tom Peter after he showed that he was unwilling to send them back if that would kill them. They’re not villains like Mysterio who choose to be bad.
It’s not far fetched to think that if a freak tech accident caused a problem that a freak tech miracle could solve it.
Can we have a movie just with the 3 spidermen? I loved seeing them interact in the non-action scenes and I could easily sit through a 10 hour movie of them just bonding and vibing
This did seem to be a sort of trial run for both Sinister Six and a live-action Spiderverse, so it's potential we could see something like that. I have heard talk that they would all like to continue to work together at some point, so it's likely just a matter of time for when that happens again.
I don't think I've heard anyone discuss this but before Dr Strange performs the spell, he tells Wong that "hasn't the kid been through enough?" Or something along those lines. That really hurt my heart and goes with the discussion that Strange feels guilty for what happened to Tony cuz he knows how it affected Peter and everyone else. Peter in the MCU is around my age and within the course of a year or so he's witnessed two people he has looked up to, die in front of him, and I can't imagine going through that and being only 17/18
Totally
Omg. I had the same. I’m 16- he’s around my age and he’s been through so so much
Honestly the 2 moments I got closest to crying was when Andrew Garfield’s Peter talked about how he couldn’t save Gwen, then again later on in the movie when he actually saved MJ
Besides crying at all the story moments they mentioned, I cried just seeing Andrew and Tobey appear, then again when all 3 landed on the Statue of Liberty's head together. I think the reason they thought up the cures so quickly is that they had been thinking about it for years.
They landed in order, too! Tobey, then Andrew, then Tom! I was so excited when I saw that!!!!
I feel like if Tobey had already come up with a cure for Sandman, he would have approached him way earlier. Tobey and Flint part on good terms at the end of SM3.
It's also worth pointing out that we never officially know what happened to the Topher Grace Venom... Tobey throws the pumpkin bomb and then the symbiote and Eddie seem to just "disintegrate"... would be interesting if they got venoms from different universes to interact.
Im glad andrew's spiderman had his redemption 👍🏻
(spoilers)
Both did, Toby spiderman caught the glider before Tom Holland spiderman killed Goblin
SAME
@@DarthAxolotl thats a very good point👍🏻
I'm glad Andrew (the actor) had his redemption too! I always thought he was an excellent Peter Parker, but the films were unfortunately just not great... totally not his fault though!
I freaking love this movie. I kinda wanted one of the Toby-verse characters to meet Jameson and question how he’s the same person across universes, but otherwise, amazing
SPOILER: PLEASE EDIT THIS SO IT DOESNT RUIN ANYTHING FOR THE OTHERS
@@wizard9489 it's literally a spoiler review video
I was hoping Tobey would see JJJ and be like “well I guess some things never change”
@@wizard9489 it doesn't spoil anything by any reasonable degree other than toby doesn't interact with Jameson and I feel like that's a pretty specific thing that no one really can get anything else from so who cares other than you?
omg yeah same
As someone who has only ever watched the MCU Spider-Man movies/only the Tom Holland ones, I still got a lot of joy out of seeing all of the Spider-Men together. I knew that both of the others had been in previous Spider-Man movies and I knew that many of the actors for the villains were returning, I just have never watched those movies specifically. I don’t feel like I missed out on anything from not watching these movies, and No Way Home gave a lot of context so I didn’t miss the special moment where Andrew Garfield saved MJ, for example. No Way Home is such an amazing movie and probably one of my top favorites in the MCU!
This reminds me of how the person I went to watch this move with was like did I miss something because they were confused at first... they dident see far from home
I just saw the movie tonight in a theater almost full. My favorite part was when everyone around me (and me ofc) cheered when Andrew and Tobey first came on screen. I can’t express how happy I am that they tied those other movies into this one. Screw the Infinity Saga, let the Multi Saga begin!!!!!
One particular thing I loved about including Tobey and Andrew in the movie is that it doesn't feel like fan service to include them. They were both there to help Tom's SpiderMan through his trauma by speaking of the trauma they also experienced. On top of that, both of them got their own forms of redemption in the form of Andrew saving MJ and Tobey stopping Tom from using the glider to kill Green Goblin. The movie does a great job of taking characters we know and love and building upon them even more.
This was easily top 5 MCU movies, if not even top 3.
I absolutely loved the discussion of Web shooters as well, and all those little bits. When they call Andrew Amazing as well, brilliant.
Yes 🙌
I would still say it was a fan service... but a fan service that was done TOTALLY right.
It was still fan service, just well-written so it felt organic. I don't think anyone who hadn't seen the Tobey/Andrew movies would have been all that impressed with this movie.
@@Baldor493 screenrant
One scene I loved is, after curing Doc Ock, Peter's Tingle is going off like crazy, as he, and the audience, are trying to find the source of the danger. When suddenly, he web's Norman/Green Goblin.
I never really watched the tobey maguire movies when I was younger so Andrew Garfield was my spiderman growing up, but even having only seen the first two Tobey films (and a very long time ago) I still think all the villas paid off. Like not knowing all the villains didn't reduce the experience for me so I thought they did that very well.
I had only seen tasm 1 and 2 and the tom holland ones and noe of the Tobey ones and I was still exited
I never saw the amazing Spider-Man series but did love the Tobey ones, and honestly Andrew Garfield rescuing MJ still hit so hard and beautiful. The writers did a fantastic job adding just enough context to still enjoy the movie. And the “you’re amazing!” part was just hilarious. Perfect Marvel movie.
K so about the thing where people haven't seen the other movies, I think this movie gives enough context for that to be ok. My brother for example didn't know that Gwen died, but when Andrew Garfield talked about that and then saved MJ later it was still super impactful anyway. I think this movie can be enjoyed by everyone, though I do think i enjoy it more because I've seen the old ones.
Isn’t that your fault for not showing him TASM 2
@@randycrawford1132 he didn't want to see it because he heard it sucks. Also he's my brother not my child and besides I like his outside input anyway it's intriguing for me
This was me exactly. I haven’t seen any of andrews movies but I definitely felt the significance of him catching MJ
I was about to say the same thing! It was definitely more special if you had seen them all, but there was plenty of context to understand what was going on.
So true.
It was so funny, people in my theater started cheering when Goblin snatched Tom because they knew it meant Andrew would have to be the one to catch her.
Man, it be awful if he didn't then 😅
Also important to remember about the curing of the villains, Peter (holland) 1 had already used a lot of stark tech to analyze and prep for curing them and Peter 3 (Garfield) already had cured one of them and Peter 2 (McGuire) had plenty of time to reflect on how he would have cured three of them if he’d been given the time and opportunity to do so, the lab scene was mostly just them acknowledging that some assembly was required to make the cured work. Also, yes the science of the cure was not the point of the movie.
I really liked Doc Ock's appearance at the fight at the end. So glad they didn't have him revert.
Answering you question about seeing the movie without seeing other Spider-Man movies!! I’m 18 and have only watched Spider-Man through the MCU. Honestly, watching the movie only made me want to watch the Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire movies more! The energy of the audience added to the feeling of importance of this moment too! I could feel those around me holding their breathe and the other peters came into the scene and it made me feel the same with absolutely no prior knowledge. The movie itself does a great job of explaining the full circle moments for Tobey and Andrew! I got the opportunity to go with my dad who has seen every spider man 12 times over, and we both walked out of the theatre impressed.
Also wanted to add that i think the biggest difference is the lack of connection I had with the villains in the movie! With Thanos they develop him so well and I’m sure they did with the other villains of the past, but it wasn’t that same significance for me in the defeat of the villian. More so the connection of the protagonist because they spend more time introducing new viewers to them!
@@sydney5669 Something my sister and I talked about was just that Tom's Peter didn't really know the villains, so at the very least you got a short intro into who each villain was from either the villain themself, or the respective Peter. So I feel like you watch NWH just fine on it's own, but if you're interested afterward you can watch the old Spider-Men to get more appreciation for some little moments
Similar experience of not having seen the other Spiderman movies but still enjoying this one and wanting to watch the other ones now!
Definitely rent the older Spider-Man movies. Spider-verse, included.
How could it be best ever if it's firstr 20 Minutes are SO CRIN-E??
I mean, wow, what a dumbed-down Peter Parker.
Meant to not be mentally-disabled-much but to be a Genius Level intellect. Oopsie?
It sucks for people in the future who weren’t born or old enough to understand why it was a big deal because this is going to be known as “the one with all three Spider-Men” and they won’t know that feeling of seeing them show up on opening night in a hyped theater.
Yeah totally agree. Seeing all three Spidermen was the defining moment of this movie and everyone went nuts in the theatre. I feel sad for everyone won't share this feeling
I went in without watching a single original trilogy, or TASM, or even Homecoming movie and it hit so absolutely well just due to my knowledge from the cultural relevance and permeation of those movies that I went back and watched every single Spiderman movie in order of release including both Holland films and then went to rewatch No Way Home and it hit just as amazingly. Just an extremely well executed movie with wonderful acting and an even better emotional rollercoaster of a story not just for Holland's Spiderman but for the others and especially the "Villains"
Also i love how they made the green goblin the truly menacing one cuz out of all of Spiderman vilans (mainly the ones they had to work with from the other 5 Spiderman movies) Norman Osborns Green goblin is the one who has almost no redeeming qualities in the comics and they turn that on its head and help cure Norman and I love how Toby saves Norman from Tom and then immediately gets stabbed in the back kinda showing that was a fixed point in time before the mcu was a thing so someone had to get stabbed not necessarily die but someone had to be stabbed by the goblins spikes/swords/whatever you wanna call them (also referring to the spike sword things on his glider that killed him in the first place)
I think this was truly a once in a lifetime event. It was SOOOOO good. It’s the best Christmas movie ever
agreed!
It’s not a Christmas movie
sorry no that’s die hard
@@EmeraldGamerOriginal if Die Hard counts, this counts
@@EmeraldGamerOriginal Spiderman swings through a shopping centre and deck the halls is playing, plus at the end in the donut shop its decorated for Christmas, plus it came out just two weeks before christmas so for me it's definitely a christmas movie (but at the same time who cares whats a christmas movie or not, let other people have their fun non-harmful opinions)
One of my favorite moments was when Tobey and Andrew were talking about how sore their backs get from web slinging, and then Andrew comically cracks Toeby's back, which provides instant relief. This was 3000 percent a nod to the infamous back injury Tobey was dealing with that many were concerned would delay production for Spiderman 2.
Infinity War and Endgame are still the top Marvel movies.
And even better, the scene where Tobey’s Peter falls from the sky and lands on a car and says “my back”.
I only found out about this detail later, and it made that moment even more special than I thought it was :)
One thing I loved about all the peters in the lab was when they said Peter and all the Peters were looking and pointing at the other like the iconic spider man meme. I also loved how Peter when asking Dr. Strange to cast the spell Steven said 6 and Peter was like I only said 5 and that was cause Steven wanted to remember him too!!!!!!!
Omg that Dr strange moment I didn’t even catch- that makes so much sense
I loved the “soft reboot” from the end, no more “iron boy jr” just peter parker as Spider-Man once again. I’m also pretty sure he’s allowing his friends success by no longer being apart of their lives which is so sad but beautiful as it shows his selflessness, the ending of the movie was my absolute favorite part even more so than the “Spider-Men” , He’s finally become the SPIDER-MAN fans have wanted him to be and now he’ll be his own hero now that he’s matured and learned throughout the MCU.
I consider Peter breaking his promises to MJ and Ned very selfish.
@@damesayo4656 give it the next movie before deciding. He didn’t actually say a word. We’re all assuming he didn’t say it because he wants them to be happy without him, it could also be a sudden realization that telling someone that the two of you are madly in love when she doesn’t even remember knowing you would be mildly off putting. He might just be trying a more natural approach to re-starting relationship.
Like if some dude came up to me and said I don’t remember him but he and I dated and were meant to be, I’d call 911.
I loved the moment with May giving the line, and then the other Peters telling him that was uncle Ben's line, but in Homecoming Peter tells Tony, that if you can do things but don't and bad things happen, they happen because of you, for me that was uncle Ben's death and line giving.
My personal head canon is that MCU Peter never had an Uncle Ben in his life. He was never mentioned once by Peter or Aunt May, and there’s nothing in their apartment or anything like pictures that show their use to be a father figure in his life. Whenever Tobey’s Peter mentions Uncle Ben, Tom’s Peter doesn’t even seem like he knows who that is.
@@jeremiahdaniels8974 I could be wrong, but I think there’s a line in Homecoming where Peter says something like ‘May can’t know, she’s been through enough’ to Ned. I feel like that was their way of referencing Uncle Ben’s death, but i think you’re right in that they never say his name or mention him directly.
@@haydent.7884 Then there's the initials BFP on the suitcase Peter takes to Europe, so yeah, Uncle Ben did exist at some point. It feels like a retcon. Like the Uncle Ben death was already very strongly implied, but now they're changing it to never having happened.
@@jeremiahdaniels8974 I've been wondering that especially because Aunt May's grave stone isn't next to one for Uncle Ben which feels weird considering that would be her husband and normally spouses have their headstone next to each other.
I loved that daredevil was in it even if for a minute. I went twice and this movie instantly became my favorite mcu film and even marvel movie period. The scene where tom was just wailing on norman and then tobey stops him was just so intense
I watched it today with my brothers, in a theater. I squealed so loud when each villain and spidey came on screen that my brothers all have me a word look. This is one of my favorite spiderman movies and depictions ever. I cried when Toby came on screen and again with Toby's talk with Dr. Octopus. Then also with the Andrew and Zendaya. And the very end.
I watched this with my girlfriend, and honestly, sitting next to her, and watching the ending, imagining going through losing her without ever being able to do anything about it through no fault of my own, that was the most I’ve cried in a theater.
The fact that they made Peter such a relatable character that anyone can see themselves in his shoes is one of the most incredible facts of the movie to me
It's the best Marvel movie yet, it even beats Endgame. I already went to the cinema twice, it's just perfect.
agreed!
Quite a few movies beat endgame imo
I actually disagree, it was definitely good but I don’t think it’s deserving of the amount of hype that it got. The whole movie just felt like fan service to me, I just didn’t like how it functioned as an actual story to me. Honestly I preferred Far From Home. There were some great moments though (of course).
I’ve already seen it twice too. :)
@@joshryan5005 totally agree finally a sensible comment, nice movie, some good moments but this notion that's it's the best comic book movie or MCU movie is a bit much 7/10 for me
Them making the cures so quick actually makes sense. Lizard already had a cure that Andrew knew. He just had to remake it. Tobey has had decades to figure out a cure for Green Goblin. Doc Ock simply needed a new chip to control the arms and they were 20 years ahead of Spiderman 2 and were in a universe with far superior tech (Stark tech). Electro simply had his electricity zapped out of him. Sandman is the only one that they came up with on the spot really.
I am married to a huge spiderman fan and we went to see No Way Home in theaters together. We both loved the movie! He is someone who knows all the background and I am someone who's seen one of the toby Maguire movies and some of the Marvel movies. So as someone who "hasn't done her homework" id say the movie was just as amazing!
I've never been the biggest fan of the ASM movies, but I always liked Andrew Garfield and the dynamic between Peter and Gwen, so him pulling off the MJ save had me in an absolute mess in the cinema. Best moment of the film for me.
It was a beautiful way to end this chapter of Spider-Man and set up the next one without having a hard reboot. I also love that everything we’ve seen of Tom’s Spider-Man so far has been his origin and now he’s finally ready to be the Spider-Man we’re all familiar with. And how it gives resolutions and conclusions to the other Spider-Men stories, I could go on about it forever, it was amazing (pun not intended)
44:33 GUYS! They have spent years if not decades regretting the deaths of these guys! It makes perfect sense that the two older Spider-men would have figured out the cure for their respective villains! I thought they said such a line or two when Peter (Holland) asked them to help him save those guys!
I was something like "I have been wanting to do that for years"
I think what happened in No way home was only possible because Loki broke the sacred timeline. If he hadn’t, I feel like no villains (or spider-men) would’ve broken in the main universe.
The thing with DR. Strange saying we, after he cast the spell the first time Peter said he only changed it 5 times when strange said 6 times. Meaning he secretly tried to change it so he would also remember him
I’m a fairly new spiderman fan and watched all of Tobey and Andrew’s movies for the first time recently to prepare myself for this movie. I’m SO GLAD I did because Andrew’s appearance and him saving MJ was honestly one of the most unbelievable things that I’ve ever seen in the cinema. 10/10 movie
With regards to your observations regarding the Multiverse at the end: Westview plot takes place 6 weeks after Endgame, Spiderman about a year later, so they are not simultanious events. If you look on the Timeline order playlist on Disney Plus, Loki comes immediately after Endgame (since SM-FFH is on Netflix) then What If, then WandaVision. Loki (or more specificaly Sylvie) were was the one to enable Multiverse to exist in the way it will be used going forward. The single line of the Secred Timeline breaking off into millions of paths. Some say that was the moment Wanda heard her sons in the post credit scene but the creators denied syncing that on purpose, so... Then What If showed of what this new order meant for the MCU with its alternative character arcs. I think all the Covid delays did mess with their orginal intended order, but everything will slot into place again as we go along. But the reason other Peters and their Villans existed to cross over, is Loki and Sylvie. Timeline is a loop, so when it "exploded", alternative, fleshed out worlds were created from the begonning of time like they have always been there...
you guys as so amazing, idk y'all mentioned almost every part I wanted to talk about after seeing this movie and articulated your thoughts on them so well; I honestly just wish this video ran longer cause I loved hearing your guys' opinions. really good review :)
Something that another reviewer brought up that I didn’t even notice until he said it is- this movie feels a lot more in line with the Raimi trilogy. It’s not as dark and gritty as the Amazing Duology, but it still treats itself seriously and has direct consequences for actions. And I think the big thing about that is the fact that this /is/ the MCU Pete’s origin story. That’s why the origin was skipped- every movie Peter was in was building up to his true and complete origin here. He truly became his own Spider-Man at the end.
I think what’s funny is that all Peter needed to do was tell Dr. Strange to make everyone forget about Mysterio.
But would that erase the fact that everyone knows he is Spider-man? No guarantee. Because everyone still knows spider-man even though everyone forgot Peter Parker's existence. They might forget the reason (Mysterio) they found out his identity, but not forget that he is Spider-man.
@@kristinemartinsone4406 It depends how mind-erasing works in the MCU, since there’s still physical media that points to Peter’s identity (e.g. news broadcasts). But if Peter specifically mentioned to make everyone forget what Mysterio said, then I’m pretty sure it would work.
It would have been best to have said to make everyone who found out he was spider-man AFTER Mysterio died to forget. That would let the people who already knew still remember.
The way I read Dr. Strange helping Peter so willingly was at the moment Peter said "this isn't about me." It's something the Ancient One said to Strange on the night she was dying. "This isn't about you."
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I hadn't seen the other 5 spiderman movies and honestly it took very little away! I knew there were small references that I probably missed, but I knew basic stuff like Garfield's MJ died falling and he then saved MCU MJ. It still made an absolutely incredible experience without having seen the other movies.
My favorite moment. Andrew is my favorite Spider-Man.
Mild spoilers ahead:
As someone who watched this without having seen any of the other spiderman movies and limited marvel movies (the 3 Tom Holland Spidermans, End Game, Infinity War, Black Widow, and WandaVision are the only things I've seen), I absolutely loved the movie. I think they set it up well where as long as you know that those are villains and spidermans from another universe, you're good. There might have been references I didn't get (like everyone freaking out about the lawyer, idk what that was loll), it was still a great experience and the best marvel movie I've seen.
The lawyer was Matt Murdock, or Daredevil. It's probably worth watching the Netflix series, because Marvel is currently trying to bring those characters into the MCU.
@@chrisrowe7472 Oh cool, thanks! I might watch it, seems like a good idea loll
The bit of goo venom left behind sets up secret wars
If you haven't heard about Matt Murdock / Daredevil yet, I think you should watch the 2003 movie starring the saddest Batman, Ben Afflec.
Don't get me wrong - it's not a great movie by a longshot, but, it's a pretty decent introduction to the character and who he is.
AND, with a runtime of 1h43m, it's far less of a time investment than the 39 almost-an-hour-long episodes of the series.
(Although, just to be perfectly clear, you really should watch the 2015-2018 Daredevil series. It's great.)
@@TheRawrnstuff oh yeah that is definitely a better time investment lolll
Did anyone notice that in the final fight scene Peter use Green Goblin's glider like a Cap did in civil war when he almost killed Tony. The fight also took place on the statue's cap shield
I don't know how often this has happened, but there is at least one instance (the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon from a few years ago) where Flash is so compatible as a host for Venom that he ends up being the only one who can control Venom's murderous tendencies
So, with Electro line "there must be a black spiderman somewhere" and Eddie's "I guess I have to go to NY meet him", do you think Venom's Spiderman will be Miles?
I’ve heard a lot of theorizing that it’ll be Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man but really anything is still on the table for that universe. As long as they leave Tom Holland in the MCU I think that Sony can’t go wrong with their own Spider-verse.
I feel that this movie was a well thought out setup for if Sony and Disney DO have a falling out though. If there are no more Spiderman movies it'll be "ok" because no one in the MCU remembers him so he's just off doing his own thing.
That being said, I will NOT BE OK if that ends up being the case!
This is EXACTLY how I feel. Especially with tom saying he’s ready to take a break, they have least technically bid themselves some time to literally forget spiderman. Even though people still know spiderman, they just don’t peter. The whole this is a bit confusing but either way if this is the last of MCU spiderman I will be MAD
@@mercyxmutual I figure it's at least a way of giving some form of closure to us if that happens. Like, he didn't just suddenly dissappear off the face of the earth if they can't bring him back.
We also had Tony destroying all of his suits and throwing his arc reactor away, because he wanted to start fresh. And then, Age of Ultron.
The makers of NWH have confirmed that there will be another trilogy of Spider-Man movies with Tom Holland. Kevin Fiege too said they are working on how to carry the story forward.
@@deepakpandey5002 that's incredibly reassuring to hear.
My justification for Strange's actions at the start of this movie are simple. One, he has post blip PTSD from what happened with everything and him basically making Tony a sacrificial lamb. And two, I feel like the movie really hints at the fact that Strange does this, because he cares about Peter. Which I think it's surprising because it's a new side of Strange, but I was really glad to see it.
In defense of the lab scene, Andrew already cured the lizard, Norman funded doc oc so he likely had an understanding of the arms and how it was designed. The first way to cure Norman fails however once Toby who says they put a lot of thought to it over years tries he succeeds and Peter had help from Norman and doc oc to cure electro. The only one which was just Peter doing it fast was sand man.
Yeah, they do a pretty good job of hanging a lampshade on it, but it does still happen VERY fast. Not time that I feel needed wasting, but maybe conveying that it took them literal time to physically make the cures would have been a good idea.
We’re literally looking at Uncle Ben talking about Spider-Man
LOL
This is my new favourite MCU movie (even if it did cause 2 straight days of emotional instability 😅)
Even when both Andrew & Tobby first made their appearances and *how* they came into it. They came through those postals, whipped off their masks and here I am sobbing because-THEY’RE HERE! MARVEL ACTUALLY GOT THEM CAST IN THE FILM AND THEY’RE HERE TO HELP OUR LIL SPIDEY. 😭
One thing I’m curious about is how messed up those other universes will be now that the Peters cured all those villains? What will have changed? For instance, in the Raimi universe Harry now has no reason for a vengeance plot against Spider-Man. No dead dad means a happy Harry. Now there’s no guarantee that Dr. Octopus would even end up existing without Harry taking control of the company. Could those situations have anything to do with the shattering of the multiverse?
I think Raimi's movies still happened (all Spiderman movies are now officially canon, lol), but this is now a splinter from that universe. There's now another splinter jutting off from Doc Oc being cured, and another one from Sandman being cured... So Tobey's Spiderman now exists in four distinct universes. Tobey's Spiderman will go back to the universe, though, that we're familiar with from the movies.
That seems to be how time travel works in the MCU: Changes made only create new universes- they don't alter existing ones.
@@Elderberry4199, but it’s not just time travel, is it? This is from a whole other universe. Though I guess it’s possible that when the people got pulled out it was more like a copy, that the “original” continued the timeline. Then when the cured characters “returned” to their worlds, it really started another off-shoot of that universe. Hmm… feels like it needs a diagram… lol
I've been waiting for this review for three days! This movie was an experience, can't wait to hear your guys' opinions
Freaking loved this movie
@@SuperCarlinBrothers gotta say it’d be hilarious if that was the entire review. Just silence and those words for 30+ minutes
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Same here
@@SuperCarlinBrothers 100 outta 100 for me bros!!
If you haven’t seen Charlie Cox’ Daredevil show on Netflix, get on it right now!
It’s one of the gold standards of comic book adaptations. Dark, gritty, elite and a ton of fun!
One of my favorite scenes is when Holland's Spidey senses tingle and at first he isn't sure who is the actual threat because he is legit in a room FULL of villains. Then he focuses it and realizes the true threat is Dr. Osborne.
The Zenday and Andrew scene was actually unscripted when Zenday was asking Andrew if he was okay. Cause that truly was what it was. So they kept it in because if fit not only the actors but the characters too.
I don’t think now way home and wandavision could happen at the same time because im pretty sure wandavision happens directly after endgame because going to find visions body is the first thing that wanda does after the events of endgame. In far from home, they mention that its been 8 months since tony died and no way home picks up right where far from home ends.
Going by a really well written article I wish I could find again so I could link it, the timeline post blip seems to be Late 2023: Wandavision (3/4 weeks after endgame, which takes place around October 2023) > 2024: Far From Home (Summer) > Eternals/No Way Home (September through November) > 2025:Hawkeye (Winter)(according to the director + set photos it set over the Christmas holiday season in 2025 which means wow that steve rogers play got a long runtime).
so yeah, neither FFH or NWH could take place at the same time as wandavision, their over 6 months and almost a year afterwards canonically. Now... Where Dr. Strange and the multiverse of Madness fits in will be interesting, since that last little wandavision cabin scene was edited to seem like it might possibly be taking place right before that film begins).
@@darkflame9410 as far as the Hawkeye 2025 thing, I think they've come out since then and said it actually was originally 2025 but they decided later that it would make more sense and feel less like an outlier and everything if it was instead set in 2024, IIRC I think there's even a ticket for a party on Kate's corkboard that's dated for Christmas Eve 2024 that seems to be coming up (I think her mom mentions a Christmas Eve party or something) so it seems like NWH and Hawkeye are taking place around the same time (NWH might be a few days or so before Hawkeye (Christmas music in the mall, MJ needing to take down the Halloween decorations, Doctor Strange and Wong just "happening" to leave the door to Siberia open, etc.), but it's still about the same time).
Peter should’ve said, “can you make people forget Mysterio and everything he said?”
Exactly, that would've made much more sense
Yea that would have been a good idea. Man u should have made the movie script
I went to see it with my dad, and the theater experience was really different then my previous marvel theater experiences. It was a lot of families in the theater, and I was sat near a lot of other teenagers. And honestly, us teens were really hyped for this, and were very vocal. But not in a bad way, we just had a lot of reactions. It was a lot of laughing, gasping, definitely some shouting after May, and the girl next to me starting crying. I did check to see if she was OK, and she said she was just caught off guard lol.
I don't see anyone talking about how well Otto was handled in this movie. I was very concerned that they were going to undo the redemption Arc of Spiderman 2, but they brought Otto back onto the good side very early and even gave him a nice hero moment versus electro. I also like that they sidelined strange for the meat of this movie and also didn't introduce the elder Spiderman right away, giving us a chance to see Tom's Peter in a lead superhero decision making role and solve his own problems to a large extent, instead of having him defer to the older wiser heroes
I think Doctor Stranges miffed-ness and willingness to do the spell comes from the fact that hes not sorcerer supreme anymore. Imagine you get added to a sports team and are this really useful member only to get sidelined for a year and have that spot gone? You'd be willing to do most anything to shake things up a bit and it comes back to bite Strange in a really delicious way.
I love this movie!
It’s cool your corner of the internet has been respectful - meanwhile, I’ve seen countless clips from the movie all over tiktok, out of context spoiler videos, and spoiler reactions. Luckily, I’ve seen the movie, but I gotta imagine there are some people stumbling across those and being sad about spoilers
The theatre experience was amazing. There was three moments and the AG reveal easily got a bigger pop than Cap lifting Mjolnir in Endgame. I don’t care if people think this movie was fan service; I felt so fantastic after watching this movie and what more could you want from a movie experience?
I’d say Andrew Garfield stole the show and I would love to see a third Amazing Spider-Man movie (maybe introducing Miles Morales or Spider-Gwen?).
That game of catch in the big fight scene 😭
10:00 I want follow up with Spidey, like going through everything he could've done different to change the outcome, pushing himself to be better, perhaps exacerbate his loneliness by making him averse to teaming up or working with others, because proximity creates danger...
I AM SO EXCITED EVER SINCE I WATCHED IT THIS WAS ALL I COULD TUINK ABOUT
SAME
HIGE POINT MISSED: During Dr. Strange, the Scorcer Supreme and himself are talking after she died and it’s the same line that Peter used while asking for help. I believe that’s why he was so willing to help. Idk what do you guys think! 🤚🏽
What was the line?
Can you remind of the linr
What was the line
"It's not about me, it's about them." from Peter. Sorcerer Supreme told Strange, "It's not about YOU, it's about THEM."
I’ve realized that everything in phase 4 (besides Shang-Chi and Black Widow) happened because of thanos. If thanos didn’t interfere in Endgame/Infinity War, Vision would be alive, the blip wouldn’t have happened, so the Flagsmashers wouldn’t really exist, Loki would have survived and wouldn’t get the tesseract in the past, Hawkeye wouldn’t become Ronin and Nat wouldn’t have died, and Mysterio wouldn’t have gotten E.D.I.T.H., so his identity wouldn’t be revealed. WHY DID THANOS HAVE TO INTERFERE??
I love the fact that now I have a bunch of these reviews all at once now. I can finally watch these now that I watched the movie