Is the M4A1-S better than the M4A4 now?

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  • Опубліковано 14 жов 2021
  • The M4A1-S has had a decent damage buff. But will it be enough to make people like it?
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  • @Infarlock
    @Infarlock 2 роки тому +7042

    Valve: Let's make a weapon popular
    *weapon gets popular*
    Valve: We made a grave mistake

    • @screamsinrussian5773
      @screamsinrussian5773 2 роки тому +322

      can't wait for the m4a1 to be merged to the ground in a week or two

    • @Lulzalex
      @Lulzalex 2 роки тому +16

      Love your videos SWAT 4 Guy

    • @PunchBrother
      @PunchBrother 2 роки тому +47

      @@screamsinrussian5773 or it can also be that it will take 11 months to get nerf like the cz75 but imo damage decrease to 34 and price increase to $3000 will balance it

    • @RoqueTHEGAMER
      @RoqueTHEGAMER 2 роки тому +50

      Still waiting for the testing with the Negev to finish.

    •  2 роки тому +7

      @@PunchBrothermaybe the prices of two m4a4 and m4a1 could swap each's place so bingo, simple rebalance already in the first place

  • @Th1s1sm11
    @Th1s1sm11 2 роки тому +3078

    3:19 "...and all the ways the m4a4 is superior in green."
    "Uh, mate... there's no green..."
    "yep"

    • @prebenkul
      @prebenkul 2 роки тому +192

      I didn't get it either until a second had passed and i realized there's no green, because in no situation on that chart was it ever superior lol.

    • @lougamerX
      @lougamerX 2 роки тому +47

      I mean technically the m4a4 is better in all the rows with the same bullets to kill because it will have a lower time to kill

    • @alwacho7298
      @alwacho7298 2 роки тому +12

      @@lougamerX Ye it indeed didn't matter anyway. There was no green needed.

    • @PokeShadow77
      @PokeShadow77 2 роки тому +20

      i don't get this; i'm colorblind

    • @alwacho7298
      @alwacho7298 2 роки тому +4

      @@PokeShadow77 dw there was only red or white anyway.

  • @anthonyradford8605
    @anthonyradford8605 2 роки тому +3962

    I’ve always been an M4A1-S loyalist to begin with throughout the entire game. So this changes nothing for me except that I can pick up the cooler looking M4A1’s off of my dead teammates.

    • @hoonterofhoonters6588
      @hoonterofhoonters6588 2 роки тому +203

      I just like how it feels. I always have.

    • @shenv77
      @shenv77 2 роки тому +51

      Ah so you too are not blessed with skins and riches but just cursed with knowledge, my friend

    • @SilentAttackTV
      @SilentAttackTV 2 роки тому +88

      Same. I love that A4 users seem so salty now after constantly dissing the A1-S

    • @meyr1992
      @meyr1992 2 роки тому +35

      @@SilentAttackTV your not gonna enjoy it for long , it will most likely get nerfed

    • @timfrogt555
      @timfrogt555 2 роки тому +5

      amen

  • @ZeroPM
    @ZeroPM 2 роки тому +820

    Valve: Buffs a weapon
    Players: Start using the weapon
    Valve: _No, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game._

    • @QuintessentialWalrus
      @QuintessentialWalrus 2 роки тому +75

      I hate that the community is so resistant to changing the AK/M4 dynamic that's been there for 20 years, but what I honestly hate more is that Valve actually caves and doesn't stick to their guns (no pun intended).
      Counter-Strike would not be ruined if the SG553 or the AUG are popular choices. The AK and M4 are not the "height of honorable skill" or whatever and they were never unviable anyway. Options are good!

    • @ZeroPM
      @ZeroPM 2 роки тому +42

      ​@@QuintessentialWalrus Thing is valve can't control how people play the game without risking to break the whole balancing-ecosystem. Technically the Aug and SG553 have their place in the game. Especially the 100 Headshot-Damage on close range makes the AUG a viable choice when holding certain angles. But people just like to stick to things they are familiar with. They would have to make the AUG and SG so good that it would be stupid to use anything else. And that would be a change just for the sake of change, not to enhance the experience.

    • @QuintessentialWalrus
      @QuintessentialWalrus 2 роки тому +11

      @@ZeroPM very thoughtful response, I like it

    • @TubeOfLaughes
      @TubeOfLaughes 2 роки тому +5

      @@ZeroPM Which they DID indeed do with both guns. And we saw first hand the chaos that produced in game. Completely upset everything.

    • @dr_birb
      @dr_birb 2 роки тому

      @@QuintessentialWalrus aug/sg being top guns would be a certified :skull: moment.

  • @R3VISION3
    @R3VISION3 2 роки тому +2281

    M4A1-S is my favorite gun because I can take off the silencer to confuse the enemy into thinking Valve added a new shitty sounding gun.

    • @screamsinrussian5773
      @screamsinrussian5773 2 роки тому +108

      I think it looks cooler without

    • @sarminder4357
      @sarminder4357 2 роки тому +159

      @@screamsinrussian5773 And sounds cooler

    • @shenv77
      @shenv77 2 роки тому +182

      For reals, a lot of my mates who played csgo for 500+hours never heard the m4a1s unsilenced sound until i made the mistake of removing it and everyone went like wtf is that gun my games glitched?! Mine too!

    • @gale7682
      @gale7682 2 роки тому +37

      Also without a suppressor it's the most accurate rifle while running so you can do some nice running headshots.

    • @Raulxz
      @Raulxz 2 роки тому +64

      @@shenv77 you cant have 500+ hours without hearing someone use m4a1 without silencer, i literally get a person that takes it off 1 every 3 games

  • @attarahman6716
    @attarahman6716 2 роки тому +1618

    The suppressor just makes the enemy really confused when your shooting them.

    • @YTnamesAreBS
      @YTnamesAreBS 2 роки тому +129

      You're joking but spaming smokes is 10x better with a silencer than without one

    • @Rensence
      @Rensence 2 роки тому +140

      People really underestimate the thing that in cs go you really rely on sounds in environments quite a lot, silenced weapons are quite good because of that, allowing you to not get noticed or give away your position to the enemy team, that would otherwise just track and shoot you down

    • @azder4140
      @azder4140 2 роки тому +5

      me in rust be like

    • @grqfes
      @grqfes 2 роки тому +37

      @@Rensence you talking about it like it was pubg 🗿
      theres like 2 places you can be shot from as a CT on site and a couple when youre a T, and you always have your eyes on all those places. doesnt really make that much of a difference

    • @ts6603
      @ts6603 2 роки тому +43

      when they have no gamesense yes

  • @timquestionmark
    @timquestionmark 2 роки тому +640

    Oh nice the aspect ratio got fixed, thanks Valve

    • @P1gcell
      @P1gcell 2 роки тому +35

      *but still playing in 800x600 stretched*

    • @marlibeshaj1069
      @marlibeshaj1069 2 роки тому +17

      *but still playing is 640x480 stretched* (cuz my pc is shit

    • @Pislik870
      @Pislik870 2 роки тому +4

      What was wrong with it?

    • @bsherman8236
      @bsherman8236 2 роки тому

      @@marlibeshaj1069 good reason to work hard and buy a new one

    • @marlibeshaj1069
      @marlibeshaj1069 2 роки тому +1

      @@bsherman8236 I have already picked a 1050 ti but im waiting for prices to drop cuz i aint paying 200 bucks for one

  • @mini-_
    @mini-_ 2 роки тому +1981

    A video so good, it deserves to be uploaded twice!

    • @Sph_611
      @Sph_611 2 роки тому +3

      What was the reason for reuploading tho?

    • @Tinkuwu
      @Tinkuwu 2 роки тому +21

      @@Sph_611 Philip likely corrected something that was wrong.

    • @YOUnoobGER
      @YOUnoobGER 2 роки тому +60

      @@Sph_611 I was in the video, therefore devices were overheating couse my hotness

    • @PutClipsHere
      @PutClipsHere 2 роки тому +70

      @@Sph_611 aspect ratio was off, there were black bars that cut off the top and bottom of the video

    • @1Dominic1
      @1Dominic1 2 роки тому

      hmm.

  • @wgcdrelliot8989
    @wgcdrelliot8989 2 роки тому +176

    dude when I was half-way through, the video died and I thought did I forget to pay my internet bill, but then I realized I moved to a dormitory. what a weird 3 seconds those were

  • @rraune7515
    @rraune7515 2 роки тому +206

    Valve: "We want you to use these other guns more"
    Also Valve: "Oh, but we don't want you to use the meta weapons LESS, so if you do, we will nerf the offmeta guns again >:c"

    • @blest5132
      @blest5132 2 роки тому +14

      @twentykal I'm waiting for the Galil's buff

    • @PumpyGT
      @PumpyGT 2 роки тому +7

      @@blest5132 that thing is already great imo

    • @blest5132
      @blest5132 2 роки тому +2

      @@PumpyGT 🤫(I'm employing reverse psychology here)

    • @DonkeyWork420
      @DonkeyWork420 2 роки тому +2

      @@blest5132 the Galil is a discount ak in all the right ways, also ive found in my own experience that its better to use on the second round over the ak because it actually does more base damage than the ak does, so its easy kills against the player who didnt buy armor on second round to save money which is a lot of the time the whole enemy team

    • @nathaniel.7172
      @nathaniel.7172 Рік тому

      Cs 1.6

  • @EpicDonutDudeMemes
    @EpicDonutDudeMemes 2 роки тому +137

    I expect m4a1s skins to now go up after this upload

    • @leruty
      @leruty 2 роки тому +1

      No one cares about the shitty "skins"

    • @Familyguy808
      @Familyguy808 2 роки тому +32

      @@leruty not even 30 seconds into one of your streams and i can clearly see why you wouldnt like your weapons to look better. you survive less than 10 seconds against bots so why buy a skin in a real game when your not going to use it.

    • @BrizzitHQ
      @BrizzitHQ 2 роки тому +5

      @@Familyguy808 damn

    • @ezi735
      @ezi735 2 роки тому +3

      @@Familyguy808 that right there was a violation

    • @fellasmart3608
      @fellasmart3608 2 роки тому

      And it did picked up a neo noir M4 Field tested for 5 euros lmao

  • @user-dx4dt2fh3e
    @user-dx4dt2fh3e 2 роки тому +469

    make the m4a4 shoot even faster, that would be interesting.

    • @bladerunner4425
      @bladerunner4425 2 роки тому +106

      That's what they MUST do for sg553. It's unacceptable for a riffle to have a firerate lower than 600

    • @MrDahcookie
      @MrDahcookie 2 роки тому +35

      or maybe have better running accuracy, which could make a difference between m4a1-s for more passive holds and m4a4 for more aggressive ct players

    • @user-dx4dt2fh3e
      @user-dx4dt2fh3e 2 роки тому +74

      @@MrDahcookie I don't think it's smart to encourage people to run and gun with rifles. Cs is about skill not dumb luck(most of the time).

    • @joshuac.402
      @joshuac.402 2 роки тому +5

      this is the way imo. In order to have the same ttk the m4a4 now needs to fire at exactly 800 rpm, but 780 or something would still be fair.

    • @ploperdung
      @ploperdung 2 роки тому +8

      If they don't do that they should at least reduce the m4a4's price to like $2400 or smth

  • @Calajese
    @Calajese 2 роки тому +107

    Oh no, this is giving me flashbacks of Valve buffing a gun I already liked so it gets popular just to absolutely ruin it with nerfs afterwards

    • @GothamiteYT
      @GothamiteYT 2 роки тому

      Heres to hoping

    • @Deiv.
      @Deiv. 2 роки тому +2

      they are stupid
      it is 4 shots right?
      without the suppresor you will get the same firerate as the m4a4 valve need to balance this
      m4a1s : 600rpm (4shots)
      m4a1 : 677.7 rpm (4shots)
      m4a4 : 677.7 rpm (5shots)

  • @hoonterofhoonters6588
    @hoonterofhoonters6588 2 роки тому +325

    "...to take off the silencer which makes running and gunning more accurate for some reason."
    The suppressor adds weight to the front of the gun, making it more difficult to balance while moving, therefore reducing accuracy. This is the only rationale that I can devise.

    • @user-qb3xb9ym6t
      @user-qb3xb9ym6t 2 роки тому +120

      Hahaha nice observation? Its actually because back in the day valve nerfed running accuracy for all guns including the m4a1-s but valve forgot to nerf the version without the suppressor.

    • @liwo8998
      @liwo8998 2 роки тому +17

      @@user-qb3xb9ym6t is it that unknown that even valve forgets lmao

    • @salt_97
      @salt_97 2 роки тому +32

      @ezy not when it's on the far edge of the gun. Imbalance doesn't relate to weight, it relates to weight distribution

    • @doctor5751
      @doctor5751 2 роки тому +8

      @ezy let me intoduce you to Archimedes and his lever.

    • @dexorne9753
      @dexorne9753 2 роки тому +3

      @ezy just take the L boomer

  • @petoxeye
    @petoxeye 2 роки тому +398

    I've always been using m4a1-s, I don't care about the meta

    • @adidas_1998
      @adidas_1998 2 роки тому +36

      Me too, I guess it's because of 1.6

    • @Huskyboiy
      @Huskyboiy 2 роки тому +14

      yeah same, it used to be my favorite in 1.6

    •  2 роки тому +3

      @@adidas_1998 it's OP as hell since 1.6 lol

    • @Abdirahman_Mohamed
      @Abdirahman_Mohamed 2 роки тому +10

      Its cuz its super accurate, you can double tap headshots over such long distances

    • @eddlrf6091
      @eddlrf6091 2 роки тому +1

      @ oh god, 1.6 m4a1 could beat ak in 1v1s

  • @rubz1390
    @rubz1390 2 роки тому +299

    I just like the sound the M4A4 makes when firing more.

    • @attractivegd9531
      @attractivegd9531 2 роки тому +12

      AK is too loud

    • @JaredTheGoldenGun
      @JaredTheGoldenGun 2 роки тому +6

      It's accurate to the real thing because of the high fire power@@attractivegd9531

    • @attractivegd9531
      @attractivegd9531 2 роки тому +4

      @@JaredTheGoldenGun It does make my ears bleed.tho.

    • @policies8534
      @policies8534 2 роки тому +6

      @@JaredTheGoldenGun why are you comparing csgo the most unrealistic shooter game to realism?

    • @PumpyGT
      @PumpyGT 2 роки тому +3

      @@policies8534 Jared must think that bullets can turn 90 degrees when you run and gun

  • @WayStedYou
    @WayStedYou 2 роки тому +32

    One single headshot makes the M4A4 TTK quicker than the M4A1s, but the 200 dollar less buy price is already enough of a reason to get the M4A1s

  • @mlgsty8880
    @mlgsty8880 2 роки тому +17

    Gotta love it when you get skin for gun that gets buffed in half a year for lot cheaper than it sells now. Got hot rod around last spring for 100 euros and it sells for 200+ euros now.

  • @LozempRemastered
    @LozempRemastered 2 роки тому +165

    When Pros uses something other than the M4A4 and AK47
    Community: "Something's wrong, I can feel it"

    • @QuintessentialWalrus
      @QuintessentialWalrus 2 роки тому +24

      Hell, half the pros react that way too. Pro players for every FPS seem to have this weird obsession with winning "honorably" rather than doing whatever it takes to win. I think the FGC mentality makes a lot more sense when money is on the line: if a gun is OP, use it!

    • @ongthuctran4992
      @ongthuctran4992 2 роки тому +1

      An M4A1 is still an M4

    • @surinaam1186
      @surinaam1186 2 роки тому +3

      @@QuintessentialWalrus What? Pro players always adapt to the meta regardless of complaints. Fact is that the M4A1 is not in a balanced state right now and should be nerfed.

    • @QuintessentialWalrus
      @QuintessentialWalrus 2 роки тому +10

      @@surinaam1186 What I'm getting at is a matter of perspective. CS players, even some of the very best, have always complained when the M4 wasn't the best CT rifle. But why should it be? It's no more or less worthy of being the most popular gun than any others are. The idea that overpowered M4 and AK is good, while overpowered anything else is bad, is a fallacy IMO.
      And before someone says "but the M4 wasn't overpowered," this is relative to other CT guns. It might be more accurate to say all the other CT guns are underpowered, but the M4's pick rate was overwhelmingly high. And I say, why should we want that? Why is that good?

    • @surinaam1186
      @surinaam1186 2 роки тому +2

      @@QuintessentialWalrus I assume when you say M4 you are referring to the M4A4? The silenced M4 was viable even before the buff, and the decision between the two mostly came down to preference. I just don't see why one of them is now statistically superior in every aspect, while also being much easier to use and master.
      If you're talking more broadly about every gun in the game, the M4 and AK have always been the "signature" guns that everyone recognizes. I think valve and most of the player base want to preserve that. Most other guns have situational strengths to them over the AK or M4, which I feel makes for a decent balance. I think the biggest issue is valves way of implementing changes that suddenly swing a guns usefulness from 0 to 100, instead of doing smaller buffs to even the playing field

  • @james64ibm
    @james64ibm 2 роки тому +144

    Hi Philip,
    there is one glaring omission from this video: Tagging.
    The faster succession of shots does - in theory, but also the way it feels in game - slow down enemies much more than the mere 10 bullets per second for the M4A1-S.
    You can shoot an enemy down to a crawl with the M4A4 and it makes it much harder for him to "escape" your spray compared to the M4A1-S (either because he moves behind cover or because your aim sucks too much to trace an enemy).
    I'd also like to add that the differences between the weapons become less pronounced if the enemy is hurt, with the M4A4 arguably having the edge against low hp players if it's one shot either way.
    I still always preferred the M4A1-S since the mag increase, since smoke-banging is a lot more secure.
    Also, with the buff, its wall penetration is now increased massively and the "4-shot-kill-guarantee" - exactly like the AK - makes it feel super OP in practice.

    • @GTFour
      @GTFour 2 роки тому +6

      That’s a good point on the tagging slow down

    • @Scrittt
      @Scrittt 2 роки тому +2

      wow good catch

    • @forsaken7161
      @forsaken7161 2 роки тому +1

      dont forget the moving accuracy of this gun. people can adad left and right and still be insanely accurate without stopping while aiming for the legs, stomach area.
      it sucks tbh. and the distance advantage against the ak is a joke.
      4 dont matter which area results in a kill and with your mentioned tagging its too op.
      just aim for the legs/stomach and let recoil do the rest

  • @_Egitor
    @_Egitor 2 роки тому +53

    Whenever I have a loadout question I just wait for the latest changes to be reviewed by our klikboi so I can make informed decisions. Ty, hot. It is bae.

  • @DrBob95
    @DrBob95 2 роки тому +86

    I think it's counterintuitive that the m4a4 does less dmg to the chest than it does to the legs. ( I know its because the chest is protected by armor but still)

    • @ivanbertoni7622
      @ivanbertoni7622 2 роки тому +6

      And how about SMGs
      It is waaay faster get a kill shooting lags only.
      That's way SMG are so powerful in newbies hands. They can shoot heads due they always aiming to the floor

    • @-Kozloff
      @-Kozloff 2 роки тому +21

      all guns deal more damage to the legs than to the chest (if player is armoured and/or depends on the gun)

    • @BennyR92
      @BennyR92 2 роки тому +7

      @@-Kozloff this is only true for weapons with 75% armor penetration or less. A shot in the legs always mulitplies the base damage by 0.75 (leg mulitplier, no armor pen involved) while a shot in the chest is multiplied with the armor pen. Is the armor pen higher than 75% you deal more damage to the chest than legs.

    • @-Kozloff
      @-Kozloff 2 роки тому

      @@BennyR92 fair enough then.
      i also mentioned "depends on gun", but idk why i said "always"...? 🤷‍♂️

  • @wbxx9908
    @wbxx9908 2 роки тому +72

    I was a huge fan of M4A1-S since I started playing in 2014. I've collected lots of cool skins for M4A1-S as time went by, like the Welcome to The Jungle, Nitro with a Titan Holo, and Hot-Rod with 2 Crowns. And now when Valve buffed the M4A1-S, its a pure miracle for me when I play. And huge stonks if I'm gonna sell skins

    • @zsuwu
      @zsuwu 2 роки тому +29

      @@daboos6353 i care

    • @mentol5727
      @mentol5727 2 роки тому +8

      @@daboos6353 skins=aim

    • @-aku2805
      @-aku2805 2 роки тому

      @@daboos6353 how did they ruin the game? weapon skins barely affect gameplay at all

    • @wbxx9908
      @wbxx9908 2 роки тому +1

      @@zsuwu

    • @danielglm5377
      @danielglm5377 2 роки тому +12

      @@daboos6353 if anything it’s kept CSGO alive well longer than it should’ve been, gives me a reason to play

  • @YeahJustAdam
    @YeahJustAdam 2 роки тому +28

    I'm glad you make this kind of videos, and i can't believe they're free

  • @TheCommeru
    @TheCommeru 2 роки тому +14

    I never swapped to a4 ever only used it when dropped by others used a1-s since 2015 and always loved it no matter the changes glad to see some sort of buff for it though.

  • @harper5128
    @harper5128 Рік тому +3

    don't know if it's already been commented but there's a reason removing the m4a1 silencer slightly improves spray accuracy when running, for the same reason that if you hold a big stick and swing it about it's harder to control how it moves if you hold the end compared to the centre. silencers aren't very heavy but they're long, and the amount of force that an object tied to a fixed point (i.e. held at its grip) receives as it gets pushed around that fixed point (i.e. points away from the crosshair when the gun is fired) is increased if the length of the end of the object from the fixed point is increased, hence a gun with an extra bit that sticks out is harder to stabilise

  • @jaect
    @jaect 2 роки тому

    This level of quality in content cannot be appreciated enough; thank you Phil, you the man.

  • @Gondamar
    @Gondamar 2 роки тому +1

    It would be cool to see a video comparing the economy between 30 round comp matches and the new 16 round comp. It’s one of the biggest criticisms of the mode that I’ve seen on social media, mainly how important pistol rounds are

  • @jednicholson3
    @jednicholson3 2 роки тому +18

    The video is back. Yay!

  • @Yushe2
    @Yushe2 2 роки тому +4

    Theres a few changes that I didn't know about that were mentioned in this video but I already knew that the M4A1-S will become more popular because its better recoil, damage and also because its silenced make it currently better than the M4A4.

  • @Exponaut_R-01
    @Exponaut_R-01 2 роки тому +1

    I love these detailed comparison videos and miss when they were frequent
    I watched the old ones even though they're irrelevant now

  • @PerSixPlus
    @PerSixPlus 2 роки тому

    i don't know what exactly it was about this video, but it brought me back a few years. great nostalgia. thank you Philip!

  • @torvasdh
    @torvasdh 2 роки тому +9

    I haven't played CSGO in so long that I didn't even know the M4A4 took the lead from the M4A1-S after 2016
    And yet I've still been watching kliks videos lol

  • @m.eminkokturk2604
    @m.eminkokturk2604 2 роки тому +4

    Whenever I watch one of your videos, I can't stop to think that you would be a good scientist 😄

  • @Daxelinho9
    @Daxelinho9 2 роки тому +2

    Great video!
    What I can tell is that switched prices would make way more sense balence-wise.

  • @holidayexplanation4505
    @holidayexplanation4505 2 роки тому

    Love how you started using the mystical music from the old game dev videos

  • @WeeeWeeeification
    @WeeeWeeeification 2 роки тому +4

    Since I started playing I've always used the m4a1-s. I just prefered the look and sound of it and now seeing these stats I hope others will join me in using the superior CT side rifle

  • @miguelagueda3928
    @miguelagueda3928 2 роки тому +6

    Personally, I think that an increase in rate of fire with a slight damage increase would have been more desirable. You can get higher DPS that before, but you have to be careful not to run out of bullets. In the current state, valve has to nerf it a bit, or improve the M4A4 if they want both to be played

  • @Blucario90
    @Blucario90 2 роки тому +1

    3:33 "Irregardless" isn't a word, Philip

  • @tomasavendanozacarias5205
    @tomasavendanozacarias5205 2 роки тому

    Thanks philip for fixing the cropping issue in this video

  • @elliejohnson2786
    @elliejohnson2786 2 роки тому +82

    Sloth typo at the end - "It's higher damage" is incorrect, but he gets it right in "its time to kill". :(

    • @keppycs
      @keppycs 2 роки тому +3

      english is a weird language

    • @memelordozai8553
      @memelordozai8553 2 роки тому +6

      It does actually do higher damage to the body tho

    • @elliejohnson2786
      @elliejohnson2786 2 роки тому

      @@memelordozai8553 The facts are correct.
      To elaborate, "It's" is a contraction for "it is", and he meant to use "its" instead. I'm sure you knew that, though ;p

    • @memelordozai8553
      @memelordozai8553 2 роки тому

      @@elliejohnson2786 ah got it. I thought you were taking about the correctness of the statement rather than English.

    • @elliejohnson2786
      @elliejohnson2786 2 роки тому

      @@memelordozai8553 Nop, his facts are spot on, as per usual.

  • @trisboii
    @trisboii 2 роки тому +6

    Can you do a video on the best meta for Flammable Freddy? Cheers big man

  • @syedrehanfida
    @syedrehanfida 2 роки тому

    Thank you, as always for a great video!

  • @bonerprime4010
    @bonerprime4010 2 роки тому

    Congrats on 1 million subs Phil

  • @sumurai8
    @sumurai8 2 роки тому +5

    Great video Philip, but you forgot to take into account the damage multiplier for the skin you are using. It's well known the flashier the skin, the higher the multiplier.
    But seriously, I wonder how much already bought skins factor in how likely people are to change to the m4a1s.

  • @FalbereChan
    @FalbereChan 2 роки тому +5

    I always liked the AUG, SG and the M4A1-S... I always gets a bit sad when they buff these guns, because it means they are going to catch on to the mainstream and eventually be nerfed. And when they do, they always end up being a bit worse than they used to be.

  • @MrDeltoric
    @MrDeltoric 2 роки тому

    seeing those clips on train and overpass made all the times ive done that feel a bit better

  • @JBBrickman
    @JBBrickman 2 роки тому +1

    So I put this in my watch later when it came out, I’m very interested to hear this, because I’ve just always used the M4A1’s in fact my first year of the game I didn’t know that the M4A4 existed as a different gun. Anyway after years I just this month switched to the M4A4 I wanted a little change and for my shots to sound more powerful I guess. So I just got a decent skin for it with a stat track and some stickers to start fresh with this gun. But if this video tells me something interesting I might quickly switch back.

  • @whisperysquash6006
    @whisperysquash6006 2 роки тому +136

    I still feel bad for the silvers that are like "SG553 is still the meta" even though it's been more than a year since it had its stats nerfed like czauto
    For the sake of the video I'm 100% sure that m4a1 users will be much more than it used to be since the dps is much higher and it's more accurate only 5 less bullets and 100 reserve ammo I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be switching to m4a1

    • @whisperysquash6006
      @whisperysquash6006 2 роки тому +3

      @@Nelex5000 that's what I said

    • @alfredcognoet
      @alfredcognoet 2 роки тому +26

      @@Nelex5000 I actually love the sg's spray pattern, it just goes up and to the right a bit, i got good at it after only a week

    • @fgp0032
      @fgp0032 2 роки тому +2

      @@alfredcognoet I have to burst fire with it, it feels so inaccurate for me haha

    • @Raulxz
      @Raulxz 2 роки тому +3

      I love the sg on ct side but mainly use ak on t side

    • @ivanbertoni7622
      @ivanbertoni7622 2 роки тому +19

      @@Nelex5000 In high level, the DPS is very important stat.
      The current Krieg meta is to use as a T to get some long range fights, and never entry fragger. Like long D2, after get the control, a krieg is awesome to hold the C4 afterplant

  • @camokeever3317
    @camokeever3317 2 роки тому +46

    I’m annoyed by this update xD. I’ve been using the A1S for years and years. I love that it’s been buffed. But it’s just a little too good so valve will end up nerfing it again :((

    • @mr.frisby
      @mr.frisby 2 роки тому +19

      They probably going to increase the price of the M4A1-S to $3100 and the M4A4 will go down to $2900

    • @ashtar3876
      @ashtar3876 2 роки тому

      @@mr.frisby i'd honestly stop using it then, the price difference is really good

  • @Bozothcow
    @Bozothcow 2 роки тому +1

    This is the kind of content that got me hooked on you over 6 years ago. I wonder if there's something wrong with me...

  • @GTFour
    @GTFour 2 роки тому

    Love this type of evaluation content

  • @unbridledenthusiasm
    @unbridledenthusiasm 2 роки тому +12

    Always loved the m4a1s, even during the period where it had 60 bullets total.

    • @BennyR92
      @BennyR92 2 роки тому +1

      it was pretty op back then, accuracy was like a laser beam and you had the high 667 RPM firerate. Not a guaranteed 4 bullet kill tho, so the current M4A1-S is maybe even more powerful than the old one, but if you sprayed someone in the stommach back then he was dead in a blink of an eye.

  • @noegthezemeraldghostie6287
    @noegthezemeraldghostie6287 2 роки тому +12

    Ahh, resolution is fixed now, thanks 3kliks!

  • @Max-oo1xw
    @Max-oo1xw 2 роки тому

    That was the Video Ive been waiting for!

  • @HexMasterFlex
    @HexMasterFlex 2 роки тому

    Great vid man

  • @bimmer8602
    @bimmer8602 2 роки тому +3

    They should've just reverted it to the 2013 version where it's rate of fire was insane.

  • @arthurbarbosa8204
    @arthurbarbosa8204 2 роки тому +6

    More recently I've found myself dealing much more damage and hitting shots WAAAY more consistently with the M4A1-S than the M4A4. Both are "fine" though.

    • @GothamiteYT
      @GothamiteYT 2 роки тому

      Its cause with the a1s you barely have to aim and compensate for recoil. Gun does that for you. 4 shots kill at ANY range

  • @toxikexotic
    @toxikexotic 2 роки тому

    congrats on a million subs!

  • @memazov6601
    @memazov6601 2 роки тому +1

    Love the Vids keep it up

  • @omster_
    @omster_ 2 роки тому +40

    You forgot to mention that the m4a4 is faster to kill with headshots tho, and my HS accuracy seems to be about 50-60+ every game so I feel the pain when I hit a headshot with the silencer and then the AK 1 taps me

    • @billthepigeon
      @billthepigeon 2 роки тому +13

      Yes, if you hit an hs with the 1st-4th bullet, m4 is a (marginally) faster kill, so there’s still kind of a case for using it, but most of the pros have switched because of the econ aspect + damage buff. I really don’t understand how they can justify the continued lower price for the a1s now that damage is buffed - if they put the price back where it was, we might see more of a mix being used, which is surely what you actually want?

    • @daneli4414
      @daneli4414 2 роки тому +1

      @@billthepigeon agree

    • @Summer-xu8qu
      @Summer-xu8qu 2 роки тому

      Best case scenario: m4a4 ttk is 90ms vs 100ms for m4a1, 10ms advantage
      Worst case scenario: m4a4 ttk is 450ms (6 shots) vs 300ms (4 shots) for m4a1, 150ms disadvantage

    • @billthepigeon
      @billthepigeon 2 роки тому +1

      @@Summer-xu8qu actually "best case" scenario for m4 is 4 shots with one hs (270 ms vs 300ms). 180ms vs 200ms for 3-shot kill with one hs also not insignificant. If body shots exclusively, then more often than not, it'll be a worst-case 60ms disadvantage, just because of normal engagement distance around the maps in the pool. But obviously this is too big to ignore for the cheesy body spam! Btw I'm not saying you should use the m4 now - I have switched to a1s myself, because I'm bad at aiming and it's clearly better for me and a bit cheaper to boot, but there's still a marginal case for using the m4, especially if you have a high hs% / burst hs% with m4

    • @omster_
      @omster_ 2 роки тому

      Came back to the game after a while and now I tend to use the A1, but sometimes I'll use the M4, like Cache since I always end up playing Mid and it's nice to have the extra fire rate, and I like the recoil more for some reason

  • @weichi_
    @weichi_ Рік тому +4

    we need an update to this video lol

  • @NymphieJP
    @NymphieJP 2 роки тому

    Always appreciate a 3kliks upload. Love your content man, I enjoy your tutorial series; I'd like it if you had a playlist for advance stuff like your channel says... it just has a lot of random stuff in there though! Keep it up!
    3:32 Oooof, what's that word mean?

  • @tomhumphries912
    @tomhumphries912 2 роки тому

    been trying to decide between the m4a1s and the m4 for a while now even before the buff, now deffo gonna use it

  • @dimidiumvitae-
    @dimidiumvitae- 2 роки тому +4

    jokes on you phulup
    i finished the video before you reuploaded it 😎

  • @hypers3007
    @hypers3007 2 роки тому +11

    My take on this is: If you are aiming at the head and hedshotting your opponents with these guns and then following up with a spray to fully kill them, the time to kill is near identical. sure it takes more hits with an m4a4 to kill but who only hits the body?

    • @danielglm5377
      @danielglm5377 2 роки тому +6

      Silvers

    • @digojez
      @digojez 2 роки тому +2

      me

    • @Hostile2430
      @Hostile2430 2 роки тому +2

      It's easier said then done 4 body shots is much easier for me than even 1 headshot (yes I have shitty aim)

    • @Summer-xu8qu
      @Summer-xu8qu 2 роки тому

      Yeah so if the time to kill is near identical, M4A1s is still better cuz its cheaper.

    • @digojez
      @digojez 2 роки тому

      @@Summer-xu8qu good point

  • @Cluvr
    @Cluvr 2 роки тому

    3:19 You have chosen very nice shade of green. I really like it

  • @M008
    @M008 2 роки тому

    Man the run and gun headshots got me rollin

  • @0kayegs577
    @0kayegs577 2 роки тому +4

    Watch this at 4:04. This is the reason that m4a1-s is the superior weapon no matter the mag size or the price. And the game will still keep being ct-sided on most maps even though they changed ancient a lot. 0.3 secs to kill by body shots is equal to the ak-47's time to kill. This takes the gun advantage from terrorists yet the game designed in the way that until the bomb is planted, counter terrorists are in advantage. The gun advantage of terrorists makes this game balanced as in very few maps ct's are in weaker angles. Mark my words, there will be another m4a1 nerf. For better or worse, Im just talking numbers I don't really care if one side is better or not.

    • @lambda2657
      @lambda2657 2 роки тому

      people dont know this, tho, this nerf is beneficial for m4a1s enjoyers, the skins are getting cheap now

    • @0kayegs577
      @0kayegs577 2 роки тому +1

      @@lambda2657 True lol, I snatched a fn cyrex for almost 9$ cheaper. Again maybe not this year but next year we might get another nerf that makes both guns viable, and t side a bit stronger. Im considering like lowering the rpm of a1 slightly or flipping the prices of guns so that they make sense.

    • @lambda2657
      @lambda2657 2 роки тому +1

      @@0kayegs577 haha nice, im looking to buy a m4a1s bright water from the steam market when the summer sale drops, it will probably drop down to like 20-23$

    • @kronos_1337.
      @kronos_1337. Рік тому

      I've always used M4A4

  • @asteralium
    @asteralium 2 роки тому +13

    They really shouldn’t have nerfed the AUG and SSG553 so hard after they got more popular. It was some nice variety and I liked when the scoped weapons were better because the scope helps me see.
    Overall this was a good video even if I already knew which gun would win.

    • @jsjsjjejsj8071
      @jsjsjjejsj8071 2 роки тому

      bro shutup, the aug is extremely op even right now

    • @assetaden6662
      @assetaden6662 2 роки тому +4

      Those weapons are good, for their price. But what they did is made you choose m4+decoy or Much More Superior AUG (MMS-AUG). That is not okay. You will choose aug everytime, and m4 only when you're $50 short. Which is not fine at all.

    • @GothamiteYT
      @GothamiteYT 2 роки тому

      No

  • @timoflo369
    @timoflo369 2 роки тому

    Finally the video i was waiting for

  • @Ferdam
    @Ferdam 2 роки тому +2

    Ive never felt much difference between both. I usually switch one to the other just to get out of the placebo feeling I'm doing bad/good because of a specific weapon

  • @schultz6622
    @schultz6622 2 роки тому +5

    im still angry valve nerfed the sg553, they could have at least not nerfed it to the ground

    • @pooternutterduken8658
      @pooternutterduken8658 2 роки тому +1

      True, even though the weapon sucks i still use it over AK, i just want it to get buffed again :(

  • @screamsinrussian5773
    @screamsinrussian5773 2 роки тому +3

    m4a1 main all the way 😎
    glad to see it getting some love since the magazine size buff

  • @Battle_Reports
    @Battle_Reports 2 роки тому

    Great work. THX man.

  • @PunchBrother
    @PunchBrother 2 роки тому

    love the video phlip! was expecting m4a1 vs m4a4 video since the update

  • @2smallgarage268
    @2smallgarage268 2 роки тому +9

    You know what, even with the m4a1 buff, I still think it’s whatever gun you can control recoil with. If you’ve used the m4a4 for years, there isn’t much point in switching

    • @jennyh7591
      @jennyh7591 2 роки тому

      Same recoil pattern no?

    • @johnhansen04
      @johnhansen04 2 роки тому +9

      I was using the M4A4 for 6 years and now dominate all my CT-sides with the buffed M4A1. Even if you only have the basic skill of controling a spray (pullling down and not bothering with the left and right corrections) then it will be better.

    • @ongthuctran4992
      @ongthuctran4992 2 роки тому +1

      But the time to kill of the M4S is now better than m4a4 which is why pros are using it in competitive match now. Also the recoil is easier to control so u can more likely hit the enemy

    • @GothamiteYT
      @GothamiteYT 2 роки тому

      You’re better off in the long run by switching. Enjoy 95 in 1 with the A4

  • @ActiveGreen227
    @ActiveGreen227 Рік тому +3

    Rip 25 bullets

  • @TarikZakariaBenmerar
    @TarikZakariaBenmerar 2 роки тому

    Before seeing this video, I though keeping M4A4 makes sense sense for me as I shot heads, but you changed my mind with this video.

  • @radu19d
    @radu19d 2 роки тому

    Such a great and detailed video 😁

  • @randomguamdude
    @randomguamdude 2 роки тому +3

    M4A1-S Superiority

  • @SilentAttackTV
    @SilentAttackTV 2 роки тому +11

    I've been using the A1-S since the game came out. You merely adopted the A1-S, I was born with it, moulded by it.

  • @paulcoffey1837
    @paulcoffey1837 2 роки тому

    I haven't played CS in 4 years but I still watch all of your videos...

  • @KeizerSinbad
    @KeizerSinbad 2 роки тому +1

    I've noticed this in my games recently I've been picking it up more because it feels like a powerful laser beam the past few days.

  • @drowningin
    @drowningin 2 роки тому +3

    I would love to see(may be temporary) game mode of super realism. Meaning all shots can end you in 1-2 hits. Certain ammo cannot get past vests, but will knock you down & wind/stun you. Hits to non vital parts deal a certain large initial damage, and then damage over time until patched up.
    I know realism isn't fun for all, but I like it every now & then, and it's been a while since I've seen a game do it(recommend if there are any)
    You could buy different rated vest.
    Unrelated, but bring back gibbing like in HL1 CS & TFC

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil 2 роки тому +3

    we need to start playing more with Balance Mod to stop these kinds of problems

  • @NuviN.
    @NuviN. 2 роки тому

    been using it since day 1 and will keep using it forever!

  • @jaydubb01
    @jaydubb01 2 роки тому +1

    I haven't played CS in a couple years now, but you've just turned me into an M4A1-S user. Thanks Philip.

  • @AWESOMO5
    @AWESOMO5 Рік тому +3

    I think the M4 is better

  • @NJohnGA10
    @NJohnGA10 2 роки тому +10

    A good balance would be having the M4A1-S ammo reduce back to 20/60.
    M4A4:
    ✅ Fire rate
    ✅ Ammo
    M4A1-S
    ✅ Damage
    ✅ Silencer
    ✅ Tracer
    ✅ Cost

    • @ivanbertoni7622
      @ivanbertoni7622 2 роки тому +2

      Originally was 20/40
      And it is counterintuitive the powerful weapon being cheaper.
      M4A4 should be cheaper, then you balanced your suggestion

  • @leocarmopereira
    @leocarmopereira 2 роки тому

    Philip is a pro. Videos are superior even when compared to mainstream media feature pieces.

  • @karsaorlong3761
    @karsaorlong3761 Рік тому

    nice video, silenced m4 was always my favourite

  • @buch0kuk102
    @buch0kuk102 2 роки тому +7

    Im staying loyal to M4A4

  • @t1ggr
    @t1ggr 2 роки тому +5

    Wtf

  • @icesy
    @icesy 2 роки тому +1

    Was always fan of the A1-S and will never change

  • @iR0CKt
    @iR0CKt 2 роки тому

    I am sitting outside watching this video on my phone. The moment the music started to play I thought someone played it in a car near to me. I love this music man!

  • @kip5703
    @kip5703 2 роки тому +3

    I hope whoever reads this has a nice day, everyone deserves it.

  • @shiine4857
    @shiine4857 2 роки тому

    good video as always!

  • @BunnehRealm
    @BunnehRealm 2 роки тому

    Very cool video mister philip

  • @imsobored766
    @imsobored766 2 роки тому +1

    Hear me out we old players back in the days used to play silenced m4 not unsilenced m4 (M4A4) but seeing m4a1 coming back from 9 years of its grave is pretty weird cuz im sure most peps used to play m4a4 and never really care about m4a1s to much