KP Kev the Poet I love the music by Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Best Batman theme since Shirley Walker's, in my opinion. It's unfortunate Hans Zimmer won't be doing any more music for the DCEU.
I really like BvS, I think there is a lot of "bandwagon" hate, people who went into the movie after they heard a few critics and made up their mind before they sat down to watch the movie. I hope you have legit problem with the movie and not just another one of these mindless zombie haters.
Affleck had to leave because he believed there was a one percent chance he wouldn't direct a good Batman movie and he took it as an absolute certainty.
yeah, i didnt see a big difference in the flash or supergirl episodes that he directed. So he could totally pull that off i think. And he loves the stuff, he wouldnt screw it up
Yesss man! I like it. Imagine the dark, violent grittiness of a Blade 2, but with The Dark Knight in it. Del Toro loves horror, and they could really go all in on that with a film noir/pseudo scary Batman, with Blade 2 type action.
I went to 2 big youtubers comments saying you should do the new Batman trilogy. Some agreed with me saying you have the passion to make this another great trilogy. I have faith in you Sir Kevin Smith.
7:53 If I recall correctly, The Raid movies had a combined budget of like $6 million, and those two movies have some of the best martial arts choreography I've ever seen.
Joshua Dykes This Morgan Freeman thumbnail guy is negative. we don't need his kind of negativity in our lives. let's make America great again and build a wall around him.
20:15 Around this part they mention Jonathen Demme as one idea for a possible Batman director. Sadly, he passed away in April (this video was in February 2017).
In a perfect world this would be The Batman movie: Batman (played by Ben Affleck) fights Red Hood (played by Matt Damon). You have Jared Leto as Joker in flashbacks of how he "killed" a young Robin. Affleck and Damon co-write it. Am I right or what?
redhood 2266 give me ONE good reason Damon wouldn't make a good Red Hood?? He looks and can play younger than Affleck, he is jacked and is an incredible actor, he can do action and fighting films extremely well, Red Hood is basically a Jason Bourne, Affleck and Damon have insane chemistry and are best friends, they are brilliant when they write together.... Please tell me how you gonna shit on Damon?
redhood 2266 Well if I can convince you any: Matt Damon is magic and also fits the needs of a Red Hood to a tee. A grown older Robin who's an assassin now ? Come on he's perfect. And when it comes to Joker: they've tried that already. They've done the Mark Hamill/Jack Nicholson type Joker, they've done the genuine crazy real world joker. They HAD TO try something new and they HAD to take more from Batman Beyond and go over the top. In this new DC universe, Batman is fighting monsters and aliens and Superman and Glamazons etc. etc. it isn't supposed to be grounded... It's supposed to be way over the top comic and cartoony. It's perfect for this universe.
Or maybe just maybe you're in the minority of people besides tweenage girls who think Leto was a good joker. Leto's Joker was an unbelievably cringe-worthy embarrassment to any Batman fan.
Hi guys. Have you discussed which Batman story you would like to see on screen? How about the death of Jason Todd? Perhaps together with Redhood? Hush? connect it together with some badguys from the Suicide Squad and introduce new ones? what more? what do you guys think?
I totally agree, Punisher: War Zone is so underrated. Dark and beautiful movie with really brutal, badass action. Lexi Alexander would be perfect, especially for Arkham and Gotham.
Hi Kevin. I agree WB wouldn't let you direct, but perhaps you could sign on as technical advisor. As a lifelong comic fan there are few Hollywood regulars that seem to understand and love the comic universe. You Kevin are far more of a comic fan than even I am, and I trust you to know what we comic fans want from our live action comic movies. Also I read your Superman script with Brainiac and I loved it. It's too late for you to write the script for the next Batman movie, but perhaps you could convince WB not to have Batman with guns or for Lex Luthor to act like a kid with daddy issues. Lex Luthor has long been one of my favorite DC characters. Luthor while he loses almost always brings a god (Superman) nearly to his knees time and time again with little more than but will power, and his mind. Also I'd imagine like myself you would be willing to do this for free just to try to ensure the Batman movie is good. Thanks
Holy shit, that part about multiple, smaller Batman movies is smart - I'd DEFINITELY pay to see two Batman movies a year. Different lead actors, different directors, different supporting characters & villains..... Even a (relatively) dud one would still be fun & you could use the other release in that year to beat it up with. If the studio was putting $30-$50 million per movie, they'd never not make their bankroll. And it could feed lesser characters that worked up into the bigger, more serious DCU movies - I'd love to see Batfleck teaming up with a Bludhaven based Nightwing!
You could tell in a lot of his interviews that was one thing he probably didn't want to go through, the backlash. Everyone has a breaking point. Ton of people hated on him for being Batman, turned to love him but criticized the movie a ton. And then Live By Night happened. I have a feeling all that criticism and everything about Batman affected him that much that he couldn't concentrate well on that movie. So his confidence dropped a ton. The pressure that he is recognized as one of the best directors and everyone wants this DCEU to work. Everyone is asking him every day, looking at him every day as the person who will turn this thing around and make it great. Let's just face it he can't handle it and who can blame him? If he was just directing that would be one thing, but he has to star in it as well, mostly in a costume jumping and fighting around. I mean it's exhausting just being Batman, but now directing, on top of that the pressure? He wouldn't survive and I don't think the movie would have been that great because he is right. All that would not allow him to perform at the highest level necessary. I think that's what happened to Live By Night and it'll be 100 times worse on Batman. I wish Ben and Kevin could get their situation, whatever it is, past them and be great friends again.
Kev on directing Batman: "They want to hedge their bets with someone who has dealt with big budgets and worked on big projects..." What? Like, maybe that was the film industry in 1999. But lately we're having directors come from making WEB SHORTS to directing big budget features. They want young people with buzz who will work for cheap. That's been the trend, anyhow.
The Flash lost its director 3 months ago and hasn't found a replacement (as far as we know, anyway). Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps are still up in the air. Now The Batman has lost its director too (but for what it's worth, Affleck's reasoning for leaving (assuming it's true) is pretty good. And he's still going to be heavily involved). But Aquaman has had a table read, has a new cast member, and is apparently close to another casting with Nicole Kidman as AquaMama. So that seems to be going smoothly. ...WHO HAD MONEY ON AQUAMAN BEING THE "SAFE" ONE!? Seriously, every other DCEU hero should be a much safer bet than him! All of them are more popular and an easier sell than him! Batman and Superman have already proven to be popular, Wonder Woman was a very big part to the Justice League cartoon and had her own successful TV show back in the 70's, Green Lantern had both the Justice League and his own CGI cartoon's that were both well regarded and were popular, Cyborg had the Teen Titans cartoon about a decade ago which was also popular and well regarded, and The Flash had the same JL cartoon as Green Lantern and his own TV show currently airing! Aquaman had a couple of line in the JL cartoon and Batman: The Brave & The Bold, but other than that he's not really made much if an appearance outside of the comics, and is by far the hardest character to sell well out of all of these. And yet... his movie is the one that's going well!?
Love the positive attitude. So many are already planning the mourning period for this movie. Great director ideas from Marc Bernardin and Kevin Smith. I am really liking the "Miller Crossing" idea. Perhaps the DC-bots are listening and learning ;)
great show. shame you missed the Chris Terrio news, but great all the same. one more thing... Mark said "They'll buy you Detroit...". I'm currently writing a screenplay called "Buying Detroit". Just thought that was worth a mention. Stay Cool
More isnt necessarily better, but more batman might be a good thing......I kinda like the idea of a 30 mil batman flick.......but I also want the 150 mil one lol
Hey Greg! Awesome Galaxy Rangers shirt! With today's tech on special effects do you think somebody will adapt the series either live action or CGI & finish the story with Zackery Fox getting his wife's psycocrystal back from the Queen? How about Clint Eastwood's son to play Shane Gooseman?
You can't make a good Batman movie by making him a murderer. The philosophy is at the heart of all of his conflicts with villains. No moral authority, no Batman. Only elseworld stories do this and there is a reason why. Snyder and Affleck pulled a Schumacher nipple with that move.
Deadline reported that Terrio recently rewrote the script that Affleck & Johns did. Could be a source of contention and Affleck did say about the script: "If it doesn’t come together in a way I think is really great I’m not going to do it.”
thanks for your take on this Kevin, i've been a huge fan of yours since i saw Clerks in (1995) and honestly you don't talk to Ben anymore? is it true on IMDB trivia it says that you told Ben that he should use a voice changer i forget what the hell the thing is called because his voice is to high to use his normal voice as batman. as for his Death of Superman Script if my memory is right you can of course correct me if i'm wrong, he said that had a lot of dialog in but not enough action. hence why he doesn't do action movies cause it's just not his thing. yes he did Cop out but it wasn't his script and i wish it had been it would have made a better film.
Mark, you make a very interesting point about what a Batman movie really is at the core. The more I think about it the more I realize we really have yet to see the Batman as the World's Greatest Detective. Sure there's a couple of scenes where he figured something out. But there's never been a mystery, we've never really seen him deduce. That's what the world needs!
they should do batman like dreed! batman trapped in Arkham trying to get to the joker n fighting all the villians on each floor tryna stop him like assault on Arkham
Nolan could have at least come close to comparing to Dark Knight, maybe, if his third movie would have been called BATMAN; KNIGHTFALL where an at-his-peak Batsey fought through a small army of mercs to get to Bane (in place of the Rogues' Gallery; hell of a lot more than DKR's Bane pre-fight 5 mercs, anyway) and got his back broke... and had a newly introduced Jean Paul Valley take over as Batman for a while... and had to retrain himself while Valley went off the deep end...(maybe then Levitt stepping up as a soon-to-be Robin to try to offset Valley might have worked? Idk) and then and and... but what do I know eh? As a good friend said once; finding someone who could be in touch enough with The Bat to recreate the epic panel where Batman was standing at the edge of a building, afraid to make THAT jump (...not some climb up a well jump) would be like hitting the lottery
I have said it before: There is two ways to make a DC movie universe: 1st- you have to take the characters back to the golden ages of comics; 1950s era, Superman is a boy scout, Technology bit of today's technology in ways that Lexcorp, starlabs, and wayne industries would have, luthor has to be part of every movie in some form or another and lastly film it in the same way as Captain Sky Command and the World of Tomorrow. 2nd way; present day- base the universe with the idea that all these heroes and villains exist. We need in short, young justice story telling. Like young justice, the villains were more connected than the heroes. That, can be DC's mid credit Marvel scenes.
Phantoms was the bomb, yo! BTW like I tweeted, Kevin Smith should be the one to direct the Batman. Let Affleck play the Batman and let the amazing Kevin Smith direct that mother fucker!
If I was going to make a B-man movie, I would do it in the style of the Gotham Central comic, seen from the viewpoint of the police and criminals. Batman would be considered an urban myth by most, and he would not be seen for most of the movie. I'd ignore the secret identity, though you might see an apprearance by Bruce Wayne at some point. And I'd make no mention of his dead parents or anything like that. B-man would be scary and mysterious. We've seen a million stories where we are along with batman for the ride. I would like to see him as the monster, and you never know when he will strike. Viewers should be jumping at shadows.. Remember the bit in Batman Begins where he's at the docks, stealthily taking out goons? "Where are you!?" - "Here." SCREAM THUD Like that. The two main characters would be Renee Montoya, and a street-punk mixed up in criminal activity. They end up working together at the end in a big battle where Batman is taking on a villain and henchmen. Oh, and at no point would he say: "I'm Batman". In fact, he might get no dialogue at all. Or maybe just one line. Silent Bob style.
Ok, I think Batman Begins was the best out of Nolan's trilogy, Simple because it had the most batman-esque of the Batman, Dark Knight solely rid on Ledgers performance as the Joker, (Much respect to him) But It could have easily been another cop movie if you took out Batman, You could have had Gary Oldman/Detective Gordan as the lead and it still would have worked... I thought having batman sit down during that interrogation scene was stupid. With all the lights on too lol
Marc makes a damn good point I hadn't considered. Let Superman be the big loud explosion-y spectacle film, Let Batman be the mid budget horror thriller.
Paul Verhoven as the director... Man. The internets collective head would literally pop if WB announced that. I would love to see a Verhoven directed Batman.
I agree wit ur idea of a diff movie every year. I had an idea when i heard about the Sirens & Deadshot movie rumors. I said to have Ben be in Sirens as a side character but not as little as he was in SS. But the Deadshot movie would be awesome. I got the idea of Amanda Waller having someone kidnap his daughter like Taken-esque & he has to get Batman to help him. Overall it would be awesome to have movies consistantly or movies he has sum involvement with. So many possible movies it has to be done.
I heard Mark Bernardin talk about doing a crisis storyline and bringing all the old batmans back like Keaten, Clooney, Bale, Kilmer and even WIll Arnett. That would be so awesome, he should write a batman movie!
Jonathan Demme would be a perfect fit for a movie from the perspective of Gotham cops. Detectives interrogating villains and working with the Batman who from their perspective is just as insane. That would get all my money.
Just like how they will get many authors to pen short stories about a single character and then compile those stories into one book; we need all these directors to each do a different Batman movie every year.
Everyone has to remember that it's not the director(s) BUT the Script that REALLY MATTER. And I think that WB is to involved with DC and they don't know what they're doing and somehow are screwing things... And I really think they screwed over Affleck on this last film with the timing and other shit we won't know about until a much later time when this series is completely over and Affleck can discuss further.
Fuck, and isn't The Flash going through like its 4th re-write or something? This DC universe is a mess. At this point it all relies on WW. If that movie sucks, they're fucked. I'm not even counting Justice League because Snyder is directing and we know how that will turn out.
I would love George Miller for Man Of Steel 2 but this is who I would put in charge of all DC Films. Producer/Writer "Bruce Timm", Producer "Geoff Johns", Producer/Writer "Grant Morrison", Producer/Writer "Dan Dinio", Producer/Writer/Director James Wan, Producer/Writer "Ben Affleck", Producer/Writer/Director "James Cameron", Consulting "Mark Waid", Consulting "Frank Miller", Writer/Director "George Miller". This is My Dream Team I would put in charge of the DC Film Universe to ensure epic, glorious, DC Movies 🎥.
I'd love to see Lexi Alexander direct The Batman after rewatching Punisher War Zone a couple weeks ago. Like come on that opening scene is the best opening scene for a comic book movie, just instantly shows what kind of a character Frank is if you've never heard of him.
Whoever gives us the next great Batman movie is someone who's going to do it by simply ignoring what came before, whether we're talking Burton Batman or The Dark Knight, and just say "This is its own thing. It doesn't have to 'measure up' to anything that came before. It's got to succeed on its own merits and achieve its own goals." I personally hope that the next Batman movie we get is something that isn't so beholden to "realism" and instead brings us a little more into the realm of the comics (Arkham style, basically).
How does KS keep his passion for this stuff? You look at his IMDB and he's been doing this stuff forever. But, he still loves to talk about it. Amazing.
Good idea with the yearly Batman films, But, would Kevin would make either of his Batman Comics for 35-40 million if offered? Even Animated widening gyre or cacophony would be killer
I think Shane Gooseman from "The Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers", would say, "Fatman...make that fucking movie! Not because you think you can't, but because we want you too and we'll love it.". It doesn't have to be this Batman movie, but make a Batman movie. Like 50 million budget.
I think one of the big reasons Ben dropped out of the director's chair was because these big blockbuster are like massive corporations. To star, write, produce, AND direct is just too much responsibility. Plus, trying to watch playbacks on the monitor in between takes in a big rubber suit sounds pretty uncomfortable.
Quentin Tarantino should direct "The Caped Crusader". Bring back Will Smith for Deadshot. Get Al Pacino as Black Mask. And make it a fun 80s themed gangster movie. Affleck and Smith working off each other as the unlikely duo trying to take down the crime boss. With King Shark and Great white shark as his henchmen.
Please can we give Bernardin props in the title of these videos? I know I wouldn't be as excited to watch a new FoB video if it was just Kevin by himself
IMHO, the whole Ben directing Batman thing is not a major problem. The problem is WB doesn't know how to handle its artistic strategy properly and of course there isn't a formula out of it but Kevin Feige and all the people at Marvel knew their intentions from the very beginning and they are enjoying the outcome of it. WB made a terrible mistake in the "act first, ask later" approach like the script is not even finished and they already announced Deathstroke as the villain, c'mon! There is some reason why so many filmmakers (who are not already big names and should consider these big properties as doors for more personal projects) get out of them so easily. Let's focus on that, on WB handle.
Lol, Kevin Smith seems like he really misses Ben Affleck. Maybe someone should tell Ben to give him a fuckin call already.
Turo Ortiz
What happend between them?
Nothing, but Kevin always mentions how they haven't talked in years and now he opened this video up with "guy I used to know."
Turo Ortiz Especially with Jen out of the picture.
I think Kev said one time that Jennifer Garner doesn't like him that much and that's why they don't see each other anymore.
that was funny they was in a movie together and it was a really good movie too and Kevin was great in it.
Ben Affleck was the best thing, maybe the only good thing, about BvS.
KP Kev the Poet Yup.
I really liked Jeremy Irons >:'(
Irons should have been Gordon.
KP Kev the Poet I love the music by Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL. Best Batman theme since Shirley Walker's, in my opinion. It's unfortunate Hans Zimmer won't be doing any more music for the DCEU.
I really like BvS, I think there is a lot of "bandwagon" hate, people who went into the movie after they heard a few critics and made up their mind before they sat down to watch the movie. I hope you have legit problem with the movie and not just another one of these mindless zombie haters.
Affleck had to leave because he believed there was a one percent chance he wouldn't direct a good Batman movie and he took it as an absolute certainty.
Mind raper Ben aflek
Kevin Smith should direct The Batman
Was about to write that. That would be awesome.
Themooselair He can direct regular action films. We aren't saying he direct it in HIS style, we just say he direct.
yeah, i didnt see a big difference in the flash or supergirl episodes that he directed. So he could totally pull that off i think. And he loves the stuff, he wouldnt screw it up
and you think thats not the best movie ever?
BlueTarantulaProductions He said it himself he wouldnt do it on twitter. And do you really want the director of Yoga Hosers to make a batman movie.
Imagine a Batman movie directed by David Fincher.
with a reznor score?
Yes.
That just made my nipples hard
Exactly, it would be amazing. And let's not forget that Fincher has already directed Affleck in Gone Girl.
The perfect choice. The grittiness of Se7en with the action of Fight Club and the claustrophobic tension of Panic Room is exactly what Batman needs.
Guillermo Del Toro! Imagine his version of Arkham.... That's something I NEED to see!
Yesss man! I like it. Imagine the dark, violent grittiness of a Blade 2, but with The Dark Knight in it. Del Toro loves horror, and they could really go all in on that with a film noir/pseudo scary Batman, with Blade 2 type action.
Mix in some P.T. and Pan's Labyrinth style psychological horror too
Him doing a direct adaptation of Grant Morrison's A Serious House On Serious Earth! THAT I need to see.
No,Guillermo Del Toro needs to direct Justice League Dark movie
If he did something along the lines of Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum, that's something I could get behind
I went to 2 big youtubers comments saying you should do the new Batman trilogy. Some agreed with me saying you have the passion to make this another great trilogy. I have faith in you Sir Kevin Smith.
*Some* of the *2* "big" UA-camrs?? lol do you mean to say that *1* agreed with you?
Rhetro Active allot of the ppl in the comment section are agreeing with me. He deserves a look at least.
Rhetro Active *you* are _gay_
7:53 If I recall correctly, The Raid movies had a combined budget of like $6 million, and those two movies have some of the best martial arts choreography I've ever seen.
Correction. The greatest Batman film is Batman begins.
Negative, it's the Dark Knight Returns DC animation
lol No. Batman Returns. Batman whispers, he dosnt death metal gargle.
The Dark Knight was fucking amazing. Still the best comic book movie ever.
So young..... It was Mask of the Phantasm.
Doesn't change the fact that Returns is a beyond inferior movie.
People are saying they want you too direct Kevin
Joshua Dykes yup I said it twice.
no..they're not. I like kevin but no. even he said it wouldn't be a good idea
Joshua Dykes This Morgan Freeman thumbnail guy is negative. we don't need his kind of negativity in our lives. let's make America great again and build a wall around him.
riiiight
no
I always wanted a lower budget Batman film that is a noir, just makes sense to me.
Mask of the Phantasm did so much right.
20:15 Around this part they mention Jonathen Demme as one idea for a possible Batman director. Sadly, he passed away in April (this video was in February 2017).
In a perfect world this would be The Batman movie:
Batman (played by Ben Affleck) fights Red Hood (played by Matt Damon). You have Jared Leto as Joker in flashbacks of how he "killed" a young Robin. Affleck and Damon co-write it.
Am I right or what?
redhood 2266 Jared Leto isn't a bad Joker at all especially for this Universe, everyone needs to just let Ledger's Joker rest.
redhood 2266 give me ONE good reason Damon wouldn't make a good Red Hood?? He looks and can play younger than Affleck, he is jacked and is an incredible actor, he can do action and fighting films extremely well, Red Hood is basically a Jason Bourne, Affleck and Damon have insane chemistry and are best friends, they are brilliant when they write together....
Please tell me how you gonna shit on Damon?
redhood 2266 Well if I can convince you any: Matt Damon is magic and also fits the needs of a Red Hood to a tee. A grown older Robin who's an assassin now ? Come on he's perfect. And when it comes to Joker: they've tried that already. They've done the Mark Hamill/Jack Nicholson type Joker, they've done the genuine crazy real world joker. They HAD TO try something new and they HAD to take more from Batman Beyond and go over the top. In this new DC universe, Batman is fighting monsters and aliens and Superman and Glamazons etc. etc. it isn't supposed to be grounded... It's supposed to be way over the top comic and cartoony. It's perfect for this universe.
Or maybe just maybe you're in the minority of people besides tweenage girls who think Leto was a good joker. Leto's Joker was an unbelievably cringe-worthy embarrassment to any Batman fan.
jimmy kimmel as harley quinn?
Hi guys.
Have you discussed which Batman story you would like to see on screen?
How about the death of Jason Todd?
Perhaps together with Redhood?
Hush? connect it together with some badguys from the Suicide Squad and introduce new ones?
what more? what do you guys think?
Kevin smith should be brought on as a creative consultant. Cause he knows the essence of the character.
Agreed
I totally agree, Punisher: War Zone is so underrated. Dark and beautiful movie with really brutal, badass action. Lexi Alexander would be perfect, especially for Arkham and Gotham.
Kevin you like comics you know the Batman mythos right? Why don't you give it a crack?
As long as they keep it the hell away from Jon Peters.
TheMasterQuests Kevin is a dialog guy and Batman needs to visual. I'd be down for him writing it.
I was thinking maybe Matthew Vaughn would work.
That is the WORST idea ever!
and bats beat the shit out of jay and silent bob?
Hi Kevin. I agree WB wouldn't let you direct, but perhaps you could sign on as technical advisor. As a lifelong comic fan there are few Hollywood regulars that seem to understand and love the comic universe. You Kevin are far more of a comic fan than even I am, and I trust you to know what we comic fans want from our live action comic movies. Also I read your Superman script with Brainiac and I loved it. It's too late for you to write the script for the next Batman movie, but perhaps you could convince WB not to have Batman with guns or for Lex Luthor to act like a kid with daddy issues. Lex Luthor has long been one of my favorite DC characters. Luthor while he loses almost always brings a god (Superman) nearly to his knees time and time again with little more than but will power, and his mind. Also I'd imagine like myself you would be willing to do this for free just to try to ensure the Batman movie is good.
Thanks
Chan wok park. The guy who made the original Oldboy. R-rated Dark and gritty.
I read somewhere that Chris Terrio re-wrote this Batman movie. He wrote Argo, Batman vs Superman, and the upcoming Justice League movie.
james wan is the key to warner bros
He's a more funnier character then WB has had before...
simplyrecommended if we can get him working. It was stylistically designed to be that way though
It's gonna be great
If wan leaves WB is in trouble
Holy shit, that part about multiple, smaller Batman movies is smart - I'd DEFINITELY pay to see two Batman movies a year. Different lead actors, different directors, different supporting characters & villains..... Even a (relatively) dud one would still be fun & you could use the other release in that year to beat it up with. If the studio was putting $30-$50 million per movie, they'd never not make their bankroll. And it could feed lesser characters that worked up into the bigger, more serious DCU movies - I'd love to see Batfleck teaming up with a Bludhaven based Nightwing!
I really hope the Batman movie is smaller scale... just the Raid 3: Arkham Asylum starring not Asians but Batman instead. Or a Hush film noir movie.
Grayson Myers or
An
Asian batman
You could tell in a lot of his interviews that was one thing he probably didn't want to go through, the backlash. Everyone has a breaking point. Ton of people hated on him for being Batman, turned to love him but criticized the movie a ton. And then Live By Night happened. I have a feeling all that criticism and everything about Batman affected him that much that he couldn't concentrate well on that movie. So his confidence dropped a ton. The pressure that he is recognized as one of the best directors and everyone wants this DCEU to work. Everyone is asking him every day, looking at him every day as the person who will turn this thing around and make it great. Let's just face it he can't handle it and who can blame him? If he was just directing that would be one thing, but he has to star in it as well, mostly in a costume jumping and fighting around. I mean it's exhausting just being Batman, but now directing, on top of that the pressure? He wouldn't survive and I don't think the movie would have been that great because he is right. All that would not allow him to perform at the highest level necessary. I think that's what happened to Live By Night and it'll be 100 times worse on Batman.
I wish Ben and Kevin could get their situation, whatever it is, past them and be great friends again.
Ummmm, why not he ask you? Kevin Smith and Ben Affleck's Batman? Do you realize how many nerds would come out for that?
Kev on directing Batman: "They want to hedge their bets with someone who has dealt with big budgets and worked on big projects..." What? Like, maybe that was the film industry in 1999. But lately we're having directors come from making WEB SHORTS to directing big budget features. They want young people with buzz who will work for cheap. That's been the trend, anyhow.
the director of the Raid! yes!
yes
He's really a great choice.
i'm glad he got mentioned
The Flash lost its director 3 months ago and hasn't found a replacement (as far as we know, anyway). Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps are still up in the air. Now The Batman has lost its director too (but for what it's worth, Affleck's reasoning for leaving (assuming it's true) is pretty good. And he's still going to be heavily involved). But Aquaman has had a table read, has a new cast member, and is apparently close to another casting with Nicole Kidman as AquaMama. So that seems to be going smoothly.
...WHO HAD MONEY ON AQUAMAN BEING THE "SAFE" ONE!? Seriously, every other DCEU hero should be a much safer bet than him! All of them are more popular and an easier sell than him! Batman and Superman have already proven to be popular, Wonder Woman was a very big part to the Justice League cartoon and had her own successful TV show back in the 70's, Green Lantern had both the Justice League and his own CGI cartoon's that were both well regarded and were popular, Cyborg had the Teen Titans cartoon about a decade ago which was also popular and well regarded, and The Flash had the same JL cartoon as Green Lantern and his own TV show currently airing! Aquaman had a couple of line in the JL cartoon and Batman: The Brave & The Bold, but other than that he's not really made much if an appearance outside of the comics, and is by far the hardest character to sell well out of all of these. And yet... his movie is the one that's going well!?
i have a question am i the only one excited for the LEGO Batman movie?
Love the positive attitude. So many are already planning the mourning period for this movie. Great director ideas from Marc Bernardin and Kevin Smith. I am really liking the "Miller Crossing" idea. Perhaps the DC-bots are listening and learning ;)
Ben Affleck already made a Batman movie.. it was called "the Accountant" and it was better than Nolan's "Batman Begins".
Phil Verhey No...no...
Hahahaha, you dumbass
LMAO in what solar system?
Completely agree that Batman doesnt need a $150-200 million budget. $50-70mill should be more than enough.
So far George Miller sounds the most interesting to me.
Since the premise of The Batman has been descibed as Arkham Asylum meets The Raid, why not just get Gareth Evans?
David Fincher.
great show. shame you missed the Chris Terrio news, but great all the same. one more thing... Mark said "They'll buy you Detroit...". I'm currently writing a screenplay called "Buying Detroit". Just thought that was worth a mention. Stay Cool
every year a batman movie ? that is a dumb idea
marblehillpjs more content to watch is never a bad idea
more isn't always better. quality is better than quantity
More isnt necessarily better, but more batman might be a good thing......I kinda like the idea of a 30 mil batman flick.......but I also want the 150 mil one lol
don't worry, it'll never happen
Rider what 2 batman movies did we have last year ?
Hey Greg! Awesome Galaxy Rangers shirt! With today's tech on special effects do you think somebody will adapt the series either live action or CGI & finish the story with Zackery Fox getting his wife's psycocrystal back from the Queen? How about Clint Eastwood's son to play Shane Gooseman?
You can't make a good Batman movie by making him a murderer. The philosophy is at the heart of all of his conflicts with villains. No moral authority, no Batman. Only elseworld stories do this and there is a reason why. Snyder and Affleck pulled a Schumacher nipple with that move.
@Kevin Smith no Ep. 8 title video??? waiting to hear you guys take on The Last Jedi.
yeah, I can't take these two anymore.
I think you should direct The Flash movie Kevin. You have the heart and humor to do it justice.
Micheal Bay should direct it.
dominic what 420 no really snap no really he could make a decent batman film.
NO!
Deadline reported that Terrio recently rewrote the script that Affleck & Johns did. Could be a source of contention and Affleck did say about the script: "If it doesn’t come together in a way I think is really great I’m not going to do it.”
They should let David Fincher take a shot at Batman. He's worked with Affleck before and his movies are dark AF and awesome.
thanks for your take on this Kevin, i've been a huge fan of yours since i saw Clerks in (1995) and honestly you don't talk to Ben anymore? is it true on IMDB trivia it says that you told Ben that he should use a voice changer i forget what the hell the thing is called because his voice is to high to use his normal voice as batman.
as for his Death of Superman Script if my memory is right you can of course correct me if i'm wrong, he said that had a lot of dialog in but not enough action. hence why he doesn't do action movies cause it's just not his thing. yes he did Cop out but it wasn't his script and i wish it had been it would have made a better film.
My new 'The Batman' director picks are: Tim Miller, Sam Rami, Ang Lee &...Kevin Smith!
Yeah, good point. Unless one can outdo Nolan, what's the point? We all wanted a new Batman for The Joker, but that's long over.
Mark, you make a very interesting point about what a Batman movie really is at the core. The more I think about it the more I realize we really have yet to see the Batman as the World's Greatest Detective. Sure there's a couple of scenes where he figured something out. But there's never been a mystery, we've never really seen him deduce. That's what the world needs!
mentioning the Star Wars model, do a tradeoff - do a "saga" Batman film one year, and a one-off story another year, and alternate between the two
they should do batman like dreed! batman trapped in Arkham trying to get to the joker n fighting all the villians on each floor tryna stop him like assault on Arkham
Kevin Smith should do a fan made Batman movie with a 20-30 min run. Maybe he can put Onomatopoeia in it.
I think the court of owls would be ideal as the villain. It would include batfleck having to do detective work plus awesome action.
Nolan could have at least come close to comparing to Dark Knight, maybe, if his third movie would have been called BATMAN; KNIGHTFALL where an at-his-peak Batsey fought through a small army of mercs to get to Bane (in place of the Rogues' Gallery; hell of a lot more than DKR's Bane pre-fight 5 mercs, anyway)
and got his back broke...
and had a newly introduced Jean Paul Valley take over as Batman for a while...
and had to retrain himself while Valley went off the deep end...(maybe then Levitt stepping up as a soon-to-be Robin to try to offset Valley might have worked? Idk)
and then
and
and...
but what do I know eh? As a good friend said once; finding someone who could be in touch enough with The Bat to recreate the epic panel where Batman was standing at the edge of a building, afraid to make THAT jump (...not some climb up a well jump) would be like hitting the lottery
it's nice to see the Fat Mans actually talking about Batman more recently 😀
Punisher War Zone was way all over the place in tone. Jigsaw was way too campy for a Punisher who took himself seriously
Imagine a batman movie directed by the Russo brothers.
I have said it before: There is two ways to make a DC movie universe:
1st- you have to take the characters back to the golden ages of comics; 1950s era, Superman is a boy scout, Technology bit of today's technology in ways that Lexcorp, starlabs, and wayne industries would have, luthor has to be part of every movie in some form or another and lastly film it in the same way as Captain Sky Command and the World of Tomorrow.
2nd way; present day- base the universe with the idea that all these heroes and villains exist. We need in short, young justice story telling. Like young justice, the villains were more connected than the heroes. That, can be DC's mid credit Marvel scenes.
Phantoms was the bomb, yo!
BTW like I tweeted, Kevin Smith should be the one to direct the Batman. Let Affleck play the Batman and let the amazing Kevin Smith direct that mother fucker!
If I was going to make a B-man movie, I would do it in the style of the Gotham Central comic, seen from the viewpoint of the police and criminals.
Batman would be considered an urban myth by most, and he would not be seen for most of the movie.
I'd ignore the secret identity, though you might see an apprearance by Bruce Wayne at some point.
And I'd make no mention of his dead parents or anything like that.
B-man would be scary and mysterious.
We've seen a million stories where we are along with batman for the ride.
I would like to see him as the monster, and you never know when he will strike.
Viewers should be jumping at shadows..
Remember the bit in Batman Begins where he's at the docks, stealthily taking out goons? "Where are you!?" - "Here." SCREAM THUD
Like that.
The two main characters would be Renee Montoya, and a street-punk mixed up in criminal activity.
They end up working together at the end in a big battle where Batman is taking on a villain and henchmen.
Oh, and at no point would he say: "I'm Batman".
In fact, he might get no dialogue at all. Or maybe just one line. Silent Bob style.
Ok, I think Batman Begins was the best out of Nolan's trilogy, Simple because it had the most batman-esque of the Batman, Dark Knight solely rid on Ledgers performance as the Joker, (Much respect to him) But It could have easily been another cop movie if you took out Batman, You could have had Gary Oldman/Detective Gordan as the lead and it still would have worked... I thought having batman sit down during that interrogation scene was stupid. With all the lights on too lol
Marc makes a damn good point I hadn't considered. Let Superman be the big loud explosion-y spectacle film, Let Batman be the mid budget horror thriller.
Paul Verhoven as the director... Man. The internets collective head would literally pop if WB announced that. I would love to see a Verhoven directed Batman.
I agree wit ur idea of a diff movie every year. I had an idea when i heard about the Sirens & Deadshot movie rumors. I said to have Ben be in Sirens as a side character but not as little as he was in SS. But the Deadshot movie would be awesome. I got the idea of Amanda Waller having someone kidnap his daughter like Taken-esque & he has to get Batman to help him. Overall it would be awesome to have movies consistantly or movies he has sum involvement with. So many possible movies it has to be done.
I heard Mark Bernardin talk about doing a crisis storyline and bringing all the old batmans back like Keaten, Clooney, Bale, Kilmer and even WIll Arnett. That would be so awesome, he should write a batman movie!
Jonathan Demme would be a perfect fit for a movie from the perspective of Gotham cops. Detectives interrogating villains and working with the Batman who from their perspective is just as insane. That would get all my money.
Just like how they will get many authors to pen short stories about a single character and then compile those stories into one book; we need all these directors to each do a different Batman movie every year.
LOVE the Galaxy Rangers shirt...brought me back to my childhood!
Everyone has to remember that it's not the director(s) BUT the Script that REALLY MATTER. And I think that WB is to involved with DC and they don't know what they're doing and somehow are screwing things... And I really think they screwed over Affleck on this last film with the timing and other shit we won't know about until a much later time when this series is completely over and Affleck can discuss further.
You guys going to review Split?
Fuck, and isn't The Flash going through like its 4th re-write or something? This DC universe is a mess. At this point it all relies on WW. If that movie sucks, they're fucked. I'm not even counting Justice League because Snyder is directing and we know how that will turn out.
Hot damn, I love watching you guys work. Good shit.
Correction: The script is being re-written by Chris Terrio so yeah...
Tim Miller is currently one hit and honestly given Ryan Reynolds control over DP as a producer who knows if Miller is nothing but another Marc Webb.
David Fincher would be perfect with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross doing the soundtrack
I would love George Miller for Man Of Steel 2 but this is who I would put in charge of all DC Films. Producer/Writer "Bruce Timm", Producer "Geoff Johns", Producer/Writer "Grant Morrison", Producer/Writer "Dan Dinio", Producer/Writer/Director James Wan, Producer/Writer "Ben Affleck", Producer/Writer/Director "James Cameron", Consulting "Mark Waid", Consulting "Frank Miller", Writer/Director "George Miller". This is My Dream Team I would put in charge of the DC Film Universe to ensure epic, glorious, DC Movies 🎥.
Pitty. With Affleck on the wheel and the addition of Deathstroke, I was hoping for a Batman heist movie.
I'd love to see Lexi Alexander direct The Batman after rewatching Punisher War Zone a couple weeks ago. Like come on that opening scene is the best opening scene for a comic book movie, just instantly shows what kind of a character Frank is if you've never heard of him.
Whoever gives us the next great Batman movie is someone who's going to do it by simply ignoring what came before, whether we're talking Burton Batman or The Dark Knight, and just say "This is its own thing. It doesn't have to 'measure up' to anything that came before. It's got to succeed on its own merits and achieve its own goals." I personally hope that the next Batman movie we get is something that isn't so beholden to "realism" and instead brings us a little more into the realm of the comics (Arkham style, basically).
What do you think of the new T2 TrainSpotting?
Just re re watched Batman Vs. Superman extended bluray. Liked it even more than previous multiple viewings. Very underrated film!
"What's the upshot?" I don't know what an "upshot" is. But Kevin's answer says more about him than it does about Ben Affleck.
kevin seriously all Joking aside, its your destiny to direct "The Batman", We Believe In you.
How does KS keep his passion for this stuff? You look at his IMDB and he's been doing this stuff forever. But, he still loves to talk about it. Amazing.
Good idea with the yearly Batman films, But, would Kevin would make either of his Batman Comics for 35-40 million if offered? Even Animated widening gyre or cacophony would be killer
I think Shane Gooseman from "The Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers", would say, "Fatman...make that fucking movie! Not because you think you can't, but because we want you too and we'll love it.". It doesn't have to be this Batman movie, but make a Batman movie. Like 50 million budget.
I'd like to see Park Chan-wook direct a Batman movie
I think one of the big reasons Ben dropped out of the director's chair was because these big blockbuster are like massive corporations. To star, write, produce, AND direct is just too much responsibility. Plus, trying to watch playbacks on the monitor in between takes in a big rubber suit sounds pretty uncomfortable.
Gulliermo Del Toro if they can't get him to commit to "Hellboy 3"? You're right about The Punisher sequel... Very underrated.
Gulliermo Del Toro is perfect to direct a Justice League Dark movie
GDT would be cool for that too, but I heard he wasn't involved with that anymore
Woot! Nice t-shirt Marc. Love Galaxy Rangers!
Quentin Tarantino should direct "The Caped Crusader". Bring back Will Smith for Deadshot. Get Al Pacino as Black Mask. And make it a fun 80s themed gangster movie. Affleck and Smith working off each other as the unlikely duo trying to take down the crime boss. With King Shark and Great white shark as his henchmen.
The only thing positive i can say is...
Mark, i like your shirt, big fan myself! where did you get it?
If you guys want a more in depth breakdown, go watch Collider
David Lynch directing Batman. Mad Hatter and Hugo Strange as the 2 main baddies. Talk about a trippy ride.
Kevin Smith should have a cameo as Detective Harvey Bullock in The Batman movie!
A Batman movie a year with varying budgets is such a genius idea. Thank you, that thought made my night.
What about Guillermo del Toro? With Poison Ivy as the main villain. Batman getting help from Swamp thing. Imagine the set designs and cinematography.
Please can we give Bernardin props in the title of these videos? I know I wouldn't be as excited to watch a new FoB video if it was just Kevin by himself
also Looper went to China not Japan
i would like to know ur take Kev on the new logan trailer..
IMHO, the whole Ben directing Batman thing is not a major problem. The problem is WB doesn't know how to handle its artistic strategy properly and of course there isn't a formula out of it but Kevin Feige and all the people at Marvel knew their intentions from the very beginning and they are enjoying the outcome of it. WB made a terrible mistake in the "act first, ask later" approach like the script is not even finished and they already announced Deathstroke as the villain, c'mon! There is some reason why so many filmmakers (who are not already big names and should consider these big properties as doors for more personal projects) get out of them so easily. Let's focus on that, on WB handle.