Metro Exodus Widely Rebuked for Last Minute Epic Games Store Exclusivity Deal
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Yeah... Deep Silver dropped the ball with this one. Damn shame that this cloud will be hanging over what looks like a stellar game.
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Damn, I thought you won't be covering this one. Props to you. Better a bit late than never.
Deep Silver sucks. Although, what would you expect from the same company who published Ride to Hell, Mighty No. 9 and Agents of Mayhem.
Exclusive games get a one way trip to the pirate bay. Way to turn that $50 into $0.
The 10$ cut on epic store is exclusive to US. It's still 60€ on EU store, this should be noted.
So thats even worse, Wow
wtf epic
@@godhimself9396 Epic is on a strategy of rapid expansion. That's why they did the Subnautica thing, plus all the exclusivity deals and the special US pricing (the US is the key market for any tech/gaming company - if they can dominate that, they will eventually take over the EU market as well due to social momentum as EU players follow US players wherever US players go and most companies producing/publishing games are based in the US).
It does sort of reveal that their intentions aren't necessarily good. They present themselves as a better, cheaper, fairer-to-the-publisher version of Steam, but who knows what they'd do if they did succeed in taking over the digital PC games market from Steam? My guess is the whole "consumer friendly" face would be dropped in a heartbeat and we'd see their true face.
And that's not even mentioning that euro is more valuable than USD
@@Nikke-nn5mn
So basically Im paying more then americans and dont get 10% off like Americans?
No offline mode? wow, that's insane. Imagine not being able to play your single player games when the internet is out. Epic games store has some catching up to do, that's for sure.
Need For Speed 2015 was pretty much ruined by this.
But if you're offline how will Tencent ever sell all your tasty data?
What? You thought the 10$ discount was free?
@@maicoxmauler2825 lmao they want your info
I have super wonkd internet, and steams ability to let me play offline basically saves my ass.
Epic doesnt care tho. If you dont have stable internet your a subhuman.
fallout 76 did so well being only online didnt it. apart from everything else that is
This year I made a resolution to become a patient gamer. Thanks Epic for the assist. Roll on Steam Spring Sale 2020.
No stress. By the time it's out on Steam the price will be much lower. We get to play it on Steam and it will be cheaper. A win, win situation. I don't know about everyone else, but I have a fair few games to tide me over until then.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy," Newell said. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem"
Kinda ironic considering steam is digital only (a service problem, the only service I want is NO SERVICE).
should've been exclusive to SouljaGameStore
It's the master store.Nobody can top it.
Savage!
METRO???? METROOO!!!??????
Lmfao
Nice of deep silver to help people save money, now lotsa people have 60 dollars extra.
@Cristian Serban Signing a contract with a game distributor that has a questionable track record of customer relations, the power to deny you access to games you bought as they see fit at any time, control refunds, etc - is hardly called "installing an extra program", and it's funny you should mention man babies while dismissing considerations grownups have to make before spending their hard earned money on goods at a business...
Epic vs. Steam sucks for gamers. I'll just wait for Exodus to come to the souljagame console!
No it doesn't you fucking sheep.
@@wylie2835 how is he the sheep now?
@@wylie2835 You're just mad you don't have a souljagame console lmfao
😂 yes
I love how most of you morons fail to see that steam having a full pc monopoly would not be a good thing at all. If they did they would be able to screw you over all the time and since they would be the only market you would just have to accept it. Dont be dumbasses
You didn’t even mention the original author’s view on this. He said “I guess steam couldn’t handle the steam train”, and when someone said he’s killing the series, he responded “No. I’m standing and watching it die”
The guy didn’t have nothing to do with that decision, he said it on one of his Instagram photos
Tony the Tiger Are there any sources of this statement? i would love to check it out if you dont mind.
@@trieutran3779 his instagram
@@ismaelthan i know, thats what im saying
@@TonyGaming1984 Seems like there is a lot of debate about whether that was actually said, or if it was faked.
How to kill the sales of your game in one simple trick.
DEVS HATE HIM
@Lighting Blade Lol, what? If anything, this will teach them not to sign exclusivity offers in pc market.
Who cares about PC, besides the idiots that play on PC?
@@lucasphilip4822 WOw YOu'Re REALLY FUNNY.
I've never used the epic store/client and this wouldn't convince me to start.
Creating exclusives on PC... What a time to be alive. The best part is when they told you they do this for "the players".
Yeah sure.
Romuald Flibustier Nothing new.
Battlefield, Mass Effect 3 on Origin.
StarCraft 2 on Battle.net.
Runescape on Jagex’s Launcher.
Kerberos BF is a first party and also dead.
@Lighting Blade Can you maybe try to form actual sentences and not just spout out random buzzwords.. its highly annoying
@Honudes Gai He's a bad troll ignore him and he'll go away
@Lighting Blade Lol, Captain Buzzwords over here.
Anything dealing with tencent is bad news...
Yeah I wouldn-t call 48.8% a minor Shareholder.
Just look at Blizzard..
Not my stock portfolio...
10 cent owns 80% of ggg rip poe.
Valve never had to buy their way to the top. They made a solid, user-friendly platform and the players came to it. Epic on the other hand is relying on buying their way into the market by making exclusive deals, "forcing" players to use their launcher instead of Steam's in order to play highly anticipated games and gain consumers. It's pretty scummy to be honest.
yup , its just scummy , íf they want to compete , why dont they just make a store and see how many devs come to them without having to bribe them
@@deaththekid922 cancell the exculsivity and offer a 10%- 20% discount on epic store . thats the way u draw customers, and it would have been really positive press on epic side, gaining a lo of traction.that how it always was, but nop sont want to hurt profit margins
@Alon S, and funny thing people who pro epic games said because steam does not allow price discrepancy. Then I just read the steam faq (or developer guidance): Steam allows it, as long as in near future (not stated, but might be 6 months or 1 year ?), publisher will have discount the game on the steam to match that price (which is always happen in 6 months or 1 year anyway). (Which practically denied a lot of people statement (which pro to epic)).
Steam was initially forced on people who wanted to play Half-Life 2. It was hilariously bad in those days, with its "baby poop green" palette, server issues, etc. and people fucking hated it, to the point that there's a pretty famous GIF parodying the old Steam login box. To their credit, though, Valve did eventually build enough features (like a storefront) into the platform to justify it. I just think that we're all a little Stockholmed with acclimatization to it at this point.
MediaMunkee but Half-Life 2 is their property anyway. It's up to them whether they want to sell it on their own market store. But this on the other hand, is a 3rd party game. Not Epic's own property.
Deep Silver just made an Epic mistake.
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@jesus barrera Koch media, is Deep silver's parent company; not sister company.
THQ Nordic, is one of, Deep Silver's, sister companies.
Yep. I've been wanting this game quite badly since it was announced - checking for updates weekly, release schedules, etc. The second I saw it was being pulled from steam in favor of a shitty platform, my response was "Ok, fuck that, I'll play something else." ... Division 2 already got crossed off my list due to this, I guess this makes #2 that i'll be skipping due to the Epic exclusive shit.
Why is this pun so underrated? Well done
This fucking guy
I just wanna go back to 2007, play Portal, and not have to think about how the video game industry seems to be eating itself alive...
Rofl you weren't just playing Portal but Team Fortress 2 and ALL the Half Life 2 game and expansions as well cuz Valve released all 3 for less than $60.
Now we have PC client exclusives and $60 games where we need to pay extra for a realistic XP gain...
A game that was tied down to a DRM storefront to play?
The second I heard "always online" I knew I wouldn't be using the Epic store.
ikr, i have Subnautica and Super Meat Boy installed but i can't play it offline, oh well time to uninstall that "spyware" and claim their games then quit using Epic shit
Yeah, because it isn't like we live in an age when pretty much everyone who has the means to play this game also has always on internet anyway, right?
@@alvinvin00 there is a trick to play subnautica offline, create a shortcut to subnautica.exe and add " -EpicPortal" (without quotes) as an argument, after the end quote
@@PeugeotRocket yeah because all people had privilege to gain access to an Internet all over the world right?
being a gamer doesn't need internet you know
Don't you guys have WiFi? - EpicGames
no worries DEEP SILVER i bought Resident evil 2 instead!!! See you in 2020
aww man i was looking forward to this after i was dumb i got 76 pa edition. But now hell no epic allrdy fucked me over as a fortnite backer then pushed everthing into BR and shut down paragon :(. So nope from me epic can get fucked
Verbal Uk what. Are you stupid? If i were to list every fuck up valve has made in the last few years i would actually die of old age. You cant just say “a company did a bad bad weewee for me, so no i dont want to have anything to do with them boohoo”
Who cares if you dont like fortnite or what other bs they did. The fact of the matter is, epic just has better terms.
@@assgoblin3981 Just better cut for *publisher,* but is stupidly lacking in features, thus not competing.
JoubaMety when steam came out it had a 10th of the features it has now. As such, we will get all the features steam has and possibly more within a year or so. I don’t mind giving the devs more money when, in the end, the stores will be the exact same.
@@assgoblin3981 But right now, it's not competition.
Also, they will raise fee rate, because Fortnite won't be profitable forever.
Of course my most hyped game gets some controversy
Ikr, I was actually thinking to myself "they can't possibly fuck this up" XD
@singular on1 it's a joke I'm still hyped as hell for it
Lool
@@Aggrobiscuit CDPR won't do something like this since they proved with TW3 that they're really open with competition. ( They have GoG but let Origin, Steam, Uplay ( Not sure about Uplay ) sell The Witcher 3 even if they own a market place.
But if they do I won't buy Cyberpunk until it's on steam.
Just buy the game if you are interested in it and reviewers you trust give it a thumbs up. Most of the noise is coming from the same morons who hated Steam when it was cool to do so
What the hell is with the Regional Pricing? $50 = €43 at current rates, where the hell did the extra €17 come from? Not even a 20% VAT rate makes up the difference.
Because fuck you that's why.
Seriously tho, as a UK gamer, we get stung by this bullshit all the time. A $40 in America is a £40 game here, no reasoning whatsoever other than "fuck you, you pay more".
Sadly Europe Is constantly fucked with this kind of stuff. Metro Is 30 usd in Argentina (as far as i know, alongside Brazil, the only country with regional pricing in SA)
Imagine living in non-euro EU country. You earn much less, and you still have to pay the most expensive price in the world.
Christ not even a 25% VAT makes up the difference.
i think maybe it's because the americans also have to pay 8%, in payment fee which might be included in the 60 euro price.
I'll wait for as long as it takes. I'm not juggling 30 launchers for my games
Anon Ymous You don’t get it.
@@AnonYmous-pt8kf have you watched the video? like... seriously....
Games get cracked within days so just play the cracked version until it comes out for Steam.
I got give you credit for at least not being one off those guys that’s gonna pirate the game over this debacle
MichaelMiner like u
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Videogamecirclejerk on Reddit is fucking horrendous for shitting on people who disagree with big companies pulling sly shit.
I'll admit there's some overly dramatic opinions voiced by some over shit like this but that doesn't mean what big business is doing is right, nor does it mean they deserve defending
@@Sagittarian1202 These days, companies will fuck you while you're watching.
They only care about money, and if money is the only language they understand, with our money we will make them listen.
And listen they fucking will.
People ask why i believe piracy is the last hope for gaming; Shit like this is the reason.
Yeah, if not bending over for some greedy corporation is toxic, I'll be Saryn fucking Prime.
But do remember which venom to target at. There's people blaming the developers doing this stunt instead it was Deep Silver for accepting such a horrible deal with Epic. 😕
Can’t wait to play this game in 2020 when it comes out on Steam
Yeah too bad they delayed the PC release :/
I like your profile pic but yes
Seeing "2020" made me feel like it'll be "the future", until I remembered it's 2019....
Lighting Blade could you shut up for ten minutes about who the president is.
You mean *2033* ?? Eh?? G E T I T ?
I just want my game library all in one place, not fragmented
Do you still plan to get it? I think I'm going to wait.
Then maybe you should start a new competitor and lure them all with more lucrative offers for the consumer AND the developer. I want peace on earth, but it's easy to just say " I want " and watch someone else put in the labor.
I personally will not be buying at least until it comes to Steam I don’t feel comfortable putting my information on Epic’s platform considering they have little protection against hackers.
For what so a good game can come out and steam users not keep it alive? Lmao
@@blackfyre786 yea but this isn't how competition should be done epic should try to be more pro consumer than steam not pay to get games only on there launcher at the last minute also alot of people dont like tencent who own epic
Still 60 euros for the EU......
No consumer benefits here...
Benjamin cause fuck us, right? don’t we deserve to be given back 10€?
@@nuvreau1902, neither of you, nor I are entitled to anything. To your knowledge the game was already $60.
And euros are worth more than dollars, so 50$ would actually be 43€...
Yeah, I guess our data isn't even worth $10 to the Chinese. They want it for free.
Xero would’ve been 60$ on steam
You want people to pirate your Game? Because that's how you get people to pirate your game.
Yeah and the government should give away money to prevent crime, brilliant strategy
Okay this is Epic.
Let's go sailing.
it's the police department wtf are you talking bout
steamunlocked.net/metro-exodus-free-download/
Their refund policy is actually even worse then it seems. To share my experience:
I purchased Fortnite (when it still was a pure PvE game and not that BR thing it is now) and didn't like it so I wanted to return it. Played less then 2 hours and asked for a refund within a day after the purchase and got slapped with the reply "you played too much". Obviously I didn't but they insisited on that I did and that continued for 3 months.
After 3 months they suddenly changed their opinion and said that my refund was now granted. All good right? Oh hell no it wasn't. Another month later I still didn't got my money back so I contacted them again asking what is taking so long and here comes the kicker, they replied with saying that too much time passed between my purchase and the date that my refund was granted and that they are UNABLE to refund me the money directly because the payment provider I used only allowed this for, well I bet you can guess it, exactly 3 months. Instead they gave me the money back as Credit that I can ONLY use to buy stuff in their store.
So tl:dr, The purposly hold off on granting my refund even though it was legit until a direct refund was not possible anymore because of the payment provider. So basicly what they achieved was granting me a refund but still keep the money.
Yeah sorry but that is shady af and even though that is a lot of money sitting in that wallet I won't buy anything in that shitty excuse of a store ever again.
That sounds shitty. You could use that store credit to buy another game and ask for a refund again. Lol.. When you get played, just play back
@@juanclaudio1103 nah, he couldnt, purcjases with that kinda credit can usually only be refunded in said credit
Well I thought about it, but it would just be refunded again as credit since no other payment method is connected with that credit (yeah they thought about that ^^).
It definitly is shitty, even if it's "just" 60€ that's still money that is mine and I can't use in the way I want to because of such a shitty move by them and that is just sitting in that wallet (for more then a year) and will sit there forever. But I won't give them the staisfaction of spending that money again (since technicly it's not their own wallet but the wallet of the payment provider but it's only usable in the epic store).
A company forcing you into their shitty store has a barely existent (if it exists at all) refund policy? I feel like I've heard that 76 times before
Same experience i had but with Battle .net
Inb4
METRO WASNT JUST KILLED, IT WAS MURDERED
lol i bet "he" is rendering the video right now, just wait a bit
It was fucking aborted in the 9th month wit a concrete rebarb club
Sorry Yong, but the pricepoint argument is only true for Americans. The game costs 50$ for you, but 60€ for us Europeans. Using the current $ to € exchange rate at the time of my comment, we have to pay nearly 70$ (1€ = 1.14$ -> 60€ = 68.69$). So we get screwed twice. Would have been nice if you had pointed that our in your video.
I have a feeling that this particular issue isn't limited to Epic. I note that Steam won't let me send games to my US friends (or vice versa) because of price discrepancies. Battle.net likewise. I think that the entire AAA gaming industry is screwing European customers, and that really deserves a video of its own.
You are right to a degree. One thing you have to account for european prices include sales taxes. American version do not if I remember correctly. This is not defend this bullshit, but the math is not that easy.
@@elalcazar7374 Quite right, though that's something else that probably needs looking at, given potential variations in taxes from state to state meaning that we don't know how much people really pay for items in the US. Still, there's a lack of clarity in the taxation on the European side because I don't think even VAT tacks nearly 40% onto the price of an item, and I haven't seen any indication that there are import tariffs to add to the price tag.
Huh Americans pay less? I live in S.A. and it's prices at $59.99 steam price was R799 with currency conversion for Epic making it R820. Strange, they really are upping prices significantly in all other regions.
@@Murasakiriyu to be fair, Steam generally charges less than $60 for games in SA.
Steam should get compensated for the false advertising it had to do on its platform
Yes cause steam is short of money... sure...
@@kint87 I would say that if steam takes any legal action, it will be about principle rather than the money.
@@Lykas_mitts yes i agree, its just than i cannot understand the "drama" about all this.
Steam dont get any competition, its bad for everyone except steam, its basic economic law...
Steam has never let me down.
it's not really false advertising.
false advertising would be you being shown one thing and given the other, like the FO76 canvas bags.
this is simply a last minute change. it's not like you're being shown one game and being given a shoddy rushed one in exchange for the steep price you paid for the shown game. like a game demo vs the actual game. the only change is the platform it's being released on.
of course, i support the "fuck epic" rally, but this just isn't false advertising. and steam doesn't deserve any extra money.
Why can't it be on both storefronts? Epic can't say they're offering more choice for game purchasing on the PC and then literally take the choice away.
Epic wants to try and dominate gaming they're bribing companies to come to them to assist in that
Because epic is trying to give steam competition. Steam cannot be allowed to have the Monopoly anymore
@@jackyyo1998 Steam has a monopoly for being good. They don't force companies to publish with them and they don't strong-arm them through exclusivity deals. That's what Epic is doing and it's anti-competitive by nature.
And Epic is owned by Tencent, so be prepared to have Chinese moralities forced in your games if they ever do become dominant.
@@jackyyo1998 And the best way to do that is to do the exact same thing? They literally snatched Metro from steam to make it an exclusive.
@@jackyyo1998 Steam even allows developers to sell game keys on 3rd party websites where they keep 100% of the profits and Steam sees zero WHILE the game keys are redeemable on STeam.
How to force people to pirate your game 101
When piracy gives you a better experience than purchasing the game, you know you're in the wrong
Polar-Star yeah it may be a better experience but it’s the wrong thing to do that’s breaking the law
@@lyn242424 the law should stop shitty pubblishers like EA from pulling scummy moves like gambling and, yet it doesn't.
The law isn't always right. And digital games are an infinite amount of copies anyway, we'll buy the game when Deep Silver stops this bs exclusive nonsense, until then they can eat a turd.
lyn24'sCraZyKid The Law =\= Moral.
@@stefan1360 - No, consumers should keep publishers in check to stop something like this from happening. Just don't buy it. While I don't agree with their decision, they have every right to do so, it's their property, they can do whatever they want with it. And we as consumers, can opt to just not buying it, it's as simple as that.
@@lyn242424 your stupid law doesnt applied to me
Yaar, the time of Pirates, she be a returning, with the fury of a Krakens teet.
Watched the "You are a pirate" music video as soon as I watched this.
Okay, so everyone here embraces communism then?
Why? What is so bad about Epic?
take what ye can, give nothing back, yo ho yo ho
@@JoyKirbs How much slower? I didn't notice it that much. UI is subjective I like it more, i'm not saying you can't enjoy Steam more but that isn't an objective fault. Again by how much?
You gave 3 examples which in no way outweigh the biggest things Epic Games gives. It supports indie developers. People who pour their heart and soul into games for us. On steam an indie dev can make an amazing game and receive barely any sales because steam doesn't curate or remove horrible and literal broken games. Then they fail to turn a profit because steam gives barely any money to indie devs.
Steam has a ton of problems, and will only continue to get worse. Valve has shown with their butchering of TF2, with their bad changes to steams chat feature, with their Artifact economy system that they are a bad company, and yet they're going to continue to rake in money and be terrible because people refuse to support a legitimate competitor.
"Metro Exodus will return to Steam and on other store fronts after 14 February 2020."
So basically Epic just bought Timed Exclusivity, a la Microsoft and Rise of the Tomb Raider. Sad. I'll wait on it to hit Steam then; it'll have depreciated in price by then too.
And folks, the proper way to combat a monopoly is with ground-up investment. Cutting in a deal last minute is only going to frustrate consumers.
As a patient gamer who usually waits a few years for games, even though it doesn't affect me at all, this all still sounds like a really bad joke to me
It's a way for people to pay full price for a game twice. First release on epic and then the hold overs on steam a year from now.
Honestly, I don't see an issue with Epic trying to promote their new service in this way. The onus is on the Metro developers for signing up for it last minute. That is the real issue.
@@aoitamashii Tbh, I agree. It's more Deep Silver's problem for taking a deal so late than Epic's for offering it. However, Epic facilitating this isn't helping their reputation any; which in turn won't help them overturn Steam's monopoly on PC.
*"88% revenue split"*
Won't matter when no one buys it.
epic already paid them so they don't care, I imagine
Lets not support this game because the developers switched it to another launcher...haha we sure got em good right guys???? Fucking idiots
@@andressaiyan101 I don't care to have a different launcher for every publisher. that's not unreasonable. I don't spread my music library around all the various digital retailers either... so I guess this is the part where I say "fuck you"? yeah, go fuck yourself.
People on consoles will buy stop acting like industry revolves around PC
@@andressaiyan101 it wasn't the devolpers, the publishers did without even telling the devs
Because if there's one thing PC gamers absolutely love, it's having to add yet another DRM program to the pile in order to play one or two games.
Epic store has no DRM, also you can play the games offline with this tweak:
www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/technical-support/networking/886906-accessing-games-offline
www.thenerdmag.com/epic-store-launcher-offline-mode-coming-soon-confirmed-by-tim-sweeney/
I'm so sick of launchers. We've got Steam, Uplay, Origin, Battle net, Bethesda, GoG, Epic Games Store. Fucking enough already
@@GeraltofRivia22 Remember that you can always add your games to steam library, even games that are only available for different launchers and you can have only one launcher with all your games, that's another thing Steam does better than Unepic Games Store
@@exeeral115 you still have to run the Epic launcher and adding a game on Steam doesn't give it any of Steams features. It's literally just adding a shortcut icon to Steam.
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“Minority investor”
I love that while technically true, Tencent is a 40% shareholder.
I know right :D
Normally even owning 5 to 12% of a company is enough to force most sane decisions.
they are not shareholders, Epic Games is a private company
They actually have 48.4% of Epics share stock www.polygon.com/2013/3/21/4131702/tencents-epic-games-stock-acquisition
@@SoftExo wrong, it's 40%, you even post a link and fail to read it yourself lol.
@@SpheraculGames "In June 2012, Tencent made a minority investment in Epic Games, purchasing approximately 48.4 percent of outstanding shares of Epic stock, equating to 40 percent of total Epic capital inclusive of both stock and employee stock options". 48.4% of outstanding share stock, seems i read it correctly.
You have to ask will 80% of epic sales be more or less than all of the steam sales they would have gotten.
That's what I was thinking aswell, better cut = sell less or sell more (a lot more) = worse cut. I'm going to assume there was a big upfront payday to persuade.
It's gonna be a problem for them later on. A lot more people who do not have the game would be on steam looking for games especially during sales, than on the epic store. The game is going to make almost nothing 6 months after it comes out.
@Johan Jacobs It will be. The contract is very short term and Metro should be back on Steam by Feb. 2020 according to the announcement made on Steam
Someone in the comment section did the match and for Deep Silver to make a profit off this game only up to 4 outta every 100 people would need to still pick it up
@@Stalkerfan498 in a year, cooler and better stuff will be out though.
Also now just realized that DOOM Eternal will only be on Bethesda launcher....
Yep, but if that is the case, then I can live without it, just as without Rage 2. Now if they'd put it on Steam or GoG....
Yaar, the time of Pirates. Fuck Bethesda
Its going to be on the pirate download
IDK if they are still around but why can’t we get the disc of it?
Fuck Bethesda too.
If Epic wants to compete they should do so by offering better terms to customers, instead of brwaling out with steam using monopolistic practices. Healthy competition is good, monopoly is bad.
They claim that Steam has a monopoly despite Steam allowing developers to put Steam keys on sale on outside websites where they get to keep ALL of the profits.
@@Rokabur They Claim Steam has a Monopoly But Steam has so much Clout Because it's for the most part a Better Service. Steam is more then a store. Its A Full Media Platform and Marketplace.
The only Actual competition It may have is Discord If they set up the store and service systems correctly. Since Discord was at first a Community Chat. Bundle that with a Games Store and you can have Communities grow even more.
Epic has Nothing Steam has. It is Just a store. and a Bad store at that.
Steam has market dominance for 1 simple fact. They're better than everyone else. And it's impossible to have a monopoly on PC gaming.
@@BlueBD don't forget
Everybody can buy from steam using steam card etc
Simple and helpful
Also, get rid of the Chinese spyware.
Imagine Cyberpunk 2077 launching exclusivly on Epic games store
If it is ever going to be exclusive, it will be on GOG.
CDPR already have "contract" with GOG as I know..
STOP! Don't give them such ideas!
GOG is owned by CDPR - so it can only be exclusive for GOG, not any other platform. But i think they'll not make it exclusive cause they need as much $ as they can get
Nah, CDPR is probably one of the only studios that actually cares about their customers. They quite literally make fun of publishers and studios for being greedy and anti-consumer.
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Forced always online..... really for a single player game...... my internet goes out I’ll play the Witcher or the other mass effects but nope no no no can’t play this one offline. And as for the refund policy I still don’t trust it at all EA ORIGIN has a refund policy they get to pick and choose how to implement on a whim. No steam no buy
Just find some way to pirate it. I'm sure nobody'll blame you for not supporting this nonsense bullshit.
you know , i even once played sonic forces when my internet crashed ( it just like doing that 1-2 times a year for 3-4 hours ) , and that game has denuvo , still worked fine in offline mode , all other games work without any problems whatsoever offline and online , only thing is offline doesnt actively track playtime i think
Been scrolling through the comments, see the word 'entitled' being thrown around a lot. Guess what? As a consumer, my first priority is myself and my own wallet. The company's profits aren't my business. Normal people shouldn't be expected to donate charity to a company just because they like it. If people can be convinced to do so through *good will* then that's a sign of good marketing, which is what companies should be trying to do. Stop acting like everybody has enough money to throw at the things they like. I want the best deal I can get, and it's up to the company to make me feel like their product justifies the price (whether monetary or otherwise).
Yeah if I was epic, I'd convince devs to set the price slightly lower compared to steam, yet still high enough to get more per sale (based on the cut each store takes).
That's a better and fairer way to grab consumers as opposed to the exclusivity stuff that just brings bad rep to everyone involved.
Piracy it is then
fully agreed, its the same with anime for me , i bought a month of a legal service and while i dont binge watch stuff every day , i know i will keep paying for it until i watched all the things they have, for years i have always just watched everything illegally , watched naruto on some illegal site , if i get the chance to pay for something i do that ,but if i cant ,why shouldnt i just watch it regardless
Is Epic Store's DRM even cracked, yet?
Then you're hurting the developer.
@@LilPinkFuzzyMonster dev is already payed its only hurting the publisher
Red Stop punishing the developers.
They really shot themselves to the leg with this one. And not with a pistol, more like a shotgun.
More like a grenade launcher. Hit the ground. Rebound. Hit the nuts. Explode the guts.
Yeah, but not quite a Bethesda-sized shotgun.
Nothing better than using weapons of mass destruction against yourself. Now that you think about it, maybe it suits the situation since both Fallout and Metro are post apocalyptic games...
With a duplet to be specific.
Time to be a pirate.
PC is turning into console with timed exclusivity
Hardly, on consoles it's way worse since you have to buy a whole new system in order to play. On PC it's just the hassle to use another launcher, it's not that big of a deal
BeastBlood1996 nah pc people still got it easy i had to spend 200$ on fucking ps4 to play spiderman if pc’s wasn’t so expensive I would switch
A lot of console mindset idiots are making their way to PC. Their needs to be a PURGE. You be blown away on how many people defend denuvo, 30fps games(ON PC), and all types of other BS. Again, a PURGE is needed.
Zordon137 true but why on God’s green earth would I leave Steam or GOG for a launcher that has been hacked.
@@alegendisafoot5436 your data is not safe anywhere, privacy doesn't exist on the internet.
This just in, the Valve sniper rifle from Exodus will now be renamed to the "Epic Games".
The rational decision is to wait for 2020.
1) Same platform as all games
2) By then bugs will be ironed out
3) DLCs are released and tied to main game
4) Price drop
5) Every other feature that Epic does not have (Cloud save, chats etc etc)
6) Lack of security on private information on Epic's client
7) Regional Pricing
Cons of waiting:
1) You don't get to play it (Unless you go to you know where)
You have everything to gain from waiting for 2020 and everything to lose from buying now. Not really much of a decision.
2025: Every game company has a unique launcher for a game... (This sucks)
That means NO launchers. This is great.
Making your game available on multiple stores: Good thing. Making your game exclusive to one store: manufactures exclusivity, bad thing for consumer.
Zarkow not to forget bad for the game
Its probably gonna sell poorly on PC since most PC gamers prefer steam
tell that to sony
@@lithium25693 Playstation and Xbox isn't a 'PC game Store' and I understand they linking their own games in. But 3rd party devs doing it is just inane.
So, fuck exclusivity I guess
you have no idea that exclusivitiy is actually GOOD for the consumer. why? creates better competition.
but you stick to your communist style of market, where everything is available to everyone. do you know what happens when literally EVERYONE can get anything? a stale market of cheap and low quality products.
just because you are butthurt over it, means squat. exclusivity is everywhere around you, but when it comes to games, oh heeeeeeell no, that one is bad.
i sure wish i could drive a ferrari, but if it was available to everyone, would it be that good? no.
epic are trash, but game exclusives are a good thing.
It's true what YongYea had to say. I would like to say that I was one of the many millions of people to be hacked on the Epic Game platform. I had never shared my account with anyone, nor had done anything for it to happen like visiting or downloading from unknown websites. It happened back in late July of 2018 and I sent a report ticket into Epic Games customer service. All my information was compromised and transferred over to another person device. It took 2 months sending e-mails back and forth between epic games customer service to get my account back proving to them that my account was stolen. When I got my account back in mid September of 2018 I felt relieve and I thought it was the end of it. Yet, fast-forwarding 4 months later it happened again this year on January 19. Now, I question the security on Epic Games platform because you don't expect these kind of things to happen twice especially from a big industry like this... no one should ever have to go through the same ordeal twice.
I hope it doesn't happen to anyone else and it does quite sadden me to see a popular titles like "Metro" and "The Walking Dead" being exclusive to the Epic Game Store only. As I had played all their previous game since the beginning on steam. It doesn't feel the same and what bothers me even more is that Epic Games Store is trying to promote their unsafe platform to consumers. More people will be vulnerable to being hacked. They should be improving their security system if anything else.
Hey dude it would be a good idea to delete my epic account to avoid being hacked?
I know what your talking about, I have not had my account hacked?? But there was a point where I did get a bunch of emails from Epic saying that some one kept trying to log into my account (login attempt?).
I guess it's good that they didn't get access to my account and that I was aware of it but the fact that my account was even target was kind of scary in a way (this could happen to anyone on any account/service and not just EGS).
Luckily for me even if I got my account hacked it would not have been the end of the word since I only made that account to sign up for the Paragon beta that I never played and that I have not given Epic any of my personal information
@@akami6386 That's up to you really. You can however disable it temporary if anything happens. The only reason why I keep my account is because I had previous transaction on it and I use it to create games using Unreal Engine (I'm a game developer). All my file saves are on that account.
@@PC-tan That's good they didn't get through. For me I didn't get the emails from Epic because they somehow manually switch my email to someone else's email. The way I found out my account was transferred or deleted was because I tried making a new account and I was able to make a new account with the same email. Usually a warning would pop up saying "this email is being used already", but that didn't happen.
Also I can't delete my account because I have previous transaction on that account and save files from Unreal Engine.
At least we're not talking about Bethesda, for now.
At least until Starfield releases as a Bethesda Net exclusive.
Wait a couple of hours.
I swear, i hear bad news about Fallout 76 at least once a day.
ARC-77 Fordo
just wait a bit, i’m sure they’re working on something shitty to sell us like their jacket/shirts a day or two ago.
*...for now*
I’ve heard about Rage 2 being Bethesda Store exclusive like Fallflat 76.
The part that makes me raise an eyebrow on top of the flagrantly anti-consumer behavior is who all is involved in Epic Game's executive board. In 2012 the Chinese developer & publisher Tencent purchased 40% of epic games as a whole, they are the largest minority share holder in Epic Games. Tencent also represent 2 out of the 5 members on Epic Games board of directors. That this nasty little deal isn't in the forefront regarding Epic's behavior as of late, since it is standard model for Tencent's behaviors, makes for an interesting discussion point.
This is to say - I do not believe a fucking thing they're saying about not sharing information with Tencent.
Guaran-fucking-teed, if they're not sharing the data themselves, they're not guarding it very well so that Tencent employees can make off with the data in an "oops, we're sowwwwwwy, it was an acccccidenttttt" kind of way.
Yes but the MAJORITY stakeholder is the epic CEO, as per the video. He literally has more say than Tencent
I'm laughing so hard
Tencent Is not the controlling stock holder, Tim Sweeney Is, he owns 51% of the company, so Tencent has absolutly no say in what the company does.
That you don't feel like believing it doesn't change that they probably don't.
Facts =/= feelings
Now is a good time to cancel your pre-orders and FINALLY understand why one shouldn't pre-order to begin with.
But the game looks good wtf , what happened to enjoying a game ???
@@lamborgini86 What happened to being consumer friendly?????
This is actually a case where pre-ordering the digital copy was smarter than waiting for it to come out. I wish I did but no, fuck me
@@lamborgini86 just play pirate version them
@@linop2 I mean as long as the game is working and running good I could careless lmaoo money comes and goes.
Seriously, I have no problem waiting a year for this game. Not only might it be cheaper but it will be the best version as updates will have resolved most of the bugs. Also I might have a more powerful PC by then too. Many wins and no additional launcher for me.
Plus all the DLC will be out by then. But if I was a PC player I'd not have the patience as I'm a big metro fan.
Day one purchases or preorders aren't worth anything. Your paying a premium to beta test a game. I see no justification for purchase at full price atm.
All Prophit that implies all games released are released unfinished. Which is very untrue. You can usually tell by the company releasing it whether it's gonna be released half done or not.
Oh you better believe Epic games will surely try to charge $60 for this even on steam once it comes out, then try to give a 10, or 20% discount for their launcher to trick people into their loop.
Game is perfect, very few minor bugs so far in the 10 hours I've played. It also only cost 50 bucks compared to Steam's egregious pricing.
You're all idiots.
I miss the days when you could just go to Walmart, buy the game, put it in your PC, install it, and play it without any of this bullshit.
And get games in cereal package. They would run better than Fallout 76
@@mussunmussun3536 but they were pretty shit. I'd prefer to spend my shekels on something else.
Lmao
You forgot thing about inserting CD key which are long as heck. God forbid if you lose the CD key lol
Agreed
The money I was originally going to spend on Metro Exodus ended up being spent on Resident Evil 2 Remake, instead. Oh well, at least I got something worth my money.
Re2 remake is so fucking good
The smarter choice was made!
I was split n both but now I know RE2 is the best choice
Same. About 6 hours in, It's really good so far.
Even gog has better features, and it doesn't have that big fortnight cash on hand.
Well you know who runs GOG.
CDPR together with Naughty Dog are the last bastion of hope in our beloved yet deeply rotten industry.
GOG is superior to both DRM platforms but unfortunately it lacks titles (especially new ones)...And recently has becoming like the garbage $team bringing all the indie garbage.
GOG is the best platform to buy games imo.
GOG is awesome...all hail CDPR!!
Don't forget that it took Gog 5 years before it even had a chat feature, besides the forums. But i get your point.
I'm going to pirate it when it comes out, and buy it in 2020.
same
Doing the exact same thing.
What website is best?
IrishNoodles bad ass
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TheWickedWeenie Why punish the developers when they’re not to blame. It’s sad to see grown men cry about a launcher. Sad world we live in this days.
@@TreeTats wtf are you crying about, old man? Do you believe developers get paid by sales? There salaries are given to them either way the game performs well or not.
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Steam has the best game downloading system period. They give me my download speed stats, time, and take up every ounce of my bandwidth to get that game down. Epic is glitchy, slow, and uninformative. Steam might take a little bit more money, but they will sell so much more. Steam has sales and gives great deals and game info for things like system specs.
to be fair steam downloads are fairly slower compared to other launchers, might just me me though
A bit more? 12 vs 30%. AAA games make hundreds of millions of dollars nowadays so savings for the publisher and game developers could be tens of millions. Steam has been abusing their monopoly way too long.
@@alexkolesen3765 do you even know what a monopoly is
@@alexkolesen3765 monopoly? Why would ANY AAA game developer not have thier own dedicated site for downloading and launching thier own games for 0% vs 12 or 30?
I only use steam and GOG and Uplay for Anno 1800 especially when I have all the Anno games on Uplay. I was going to get the new metro but I refuse to use epic launcher
Just did some basic math and assuming steams worst case scenario of 70% that's $42 vs 88% of $50 = $44. A mere $2 more per sale, meaning if they lose even 5% of sales due to this move they are now worse off. Someone needs to be fired for this move, it's that stupid.
The thing is thats only a publicity stunt for us, in eu they cost 68-70$ depending on euro standing that day.
difference is 8,4$ vs 21$ cut.
Someone wanted the up front monies over the long term monies.
don't forget on steam have more exposure and possible more sales... who buys on epic games?
Hmm does someone else ask himself why we have to pay more in europe then players in america? Last time i checked the Euro was more worth then the Dollar?!?!?!?!?!?
Taxes.
Inflation
Greed
@@theclockworkinsomnia6483 no, not inflation. 60€ are almost 70$ - thats the price of metro on the epic store.
Because of taxes
Exclusivity in this case is different from consoles. That being said, I don't want a world with dozens of game launchers...
That's what PC is and always will be.
Wait until Microsoft undercuts everyone through Windows....
Hopefully GOG gets more backing and publicity to match the support of the consumers.
Exclusivity divides a community even on console
I hope this mark the end of Metro games, the wave of piracy is already there
Can’t wait when exodus releases for REAL on February 14, 2020!
So you prefer limited choice?
Sean Drohan
No, just prefer Publishers and storefronts not trying to strong-arm people into using what they want at the expense of previous agreements. They shouldn’t have promised the release on Steam upon release, then gone back on that promised a mere two weeks before release because Epic gave then money to do so. I’m fine with choice, just not at my expense and not with so little warning.
@@magnumpci lmao. Your wrong
Sean Drohan Calls it limited Choice supports game being locked behind one platform.
Yeah maybe in You're limited World,get a Console, they're cheap Nowadays and stop complaining.I hope this proofs that this "Masterrace" thing is Bullshit.
Remember when physical copies didn't need a launcher?
This, I want this.
Remember when physical copies have disc?
@Sarah Nicer times.Or perhaps it's just the nostalgia.
I 'member
I still remember when the orange box games installed Steam...
I understand that Epic is securing these deals in order to expand their store.
But the lack of proper pricing is a serious hamper to this.
Not to mention that exclusive games only harm gamers as whole. Yes, consoles live and die by their exclusives, but this is ALWAYS at the cost of the consumer, it never benefits us.
Steam is fat and clunky, BUT they are RELIABLE. And no offline is a huge no-no for me, especially living in a country with relatively unreliable internet connections.
I'm afraid I'll have to pirate this game, even if I wanted to buy it.
they cant keep doing it forever their store is destined to fail like this , if they only take games hostage that later come to steam anyway , their store wont grow and people wont like them , at most they will see it like origin , a necesary evil to play ea games
Steam has won its position through being a good service across years. Epic is trying to strong-arm their way in the market by buying out games. Smh
I don't care if they sell on other launchers, but why be launcher exclusive? It makes no sense. I had already put the money in my steam wallet for this game and now I can't even buy it. WTF METRO
@Orgasam Doner also only for 5$
Also dont fucking put money im your wallet untill you actually buy the game maybe
Yeah that seems highly suspect to me.
you are the only person i ever know to put the money in steam wallet and wait for the game to be released, i'm sorry but that's stupid
Couldn't you pre-order it on steam?
Exclusive deal ruined it for me as Epic store doesn't support Indian currency or Domestic wallets I just can't buy the game even if I go out of my way and pay through Paypal (debit card) it's still 300Rs expensive than Steam offering coz of no Indian currency support.
You'll notice that Metro costs $50 US dollars and 60 Euros on Epics store since Epic doesn't have regional pricing. Another video I watched, $50 US dollars comes to 43.79 Euros. So, through Epic's shit store, people in Europe will be paying the equivalent of $68.50 US dollars for Metro Exodus.
I think they have regional pricing, in my store exodus is 19.99 usd. I'm from Bangladesh
Sail the high seas.
I won’t jump till I get regional pricing and localised currency ... steam prices for me right now are a god send lol
@@rashidfarhan6223 Bro, yes, game is 20$ in India but i am a very low budget gamer I saved 1130Rs in my Paytm wallet but now game cost 300Rs more + Epic accepts only PayPal and there are no achievements or cloud saves and major no offline play so Pirating this game is my only bet.
I haven't fully trusted Deep Silver ever since that stunt they pulled with Metro Last Light where they chopped off the highest difficulty (Ranger Mode) and sold it as a separate $5 DLC... An extra $5 just to access the highest difficulty mode that removes the HUD/UI for extra immersion, lol. Still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. So yea, seeing Deep Silver pull something like this sadly doesn't surprise me. I also paid Epic used some of that crazy Fortnite money they have to pay them for the 1 year exclusive deal as well, not only just being tempted by the better publisher/developer cut versus the Steam store. It might benefit them, but for us consumers this move is not great for us (the lack of proper regional pricing [only $10 cheaper in the States, in other countries it's actually even more than the equivalent of $60 USD] no user reviews, no refund options, etc. Steam isn't going to magically improve from this "competition" either. They have to actually compete on a high enough level for Steam/Valve to notice, care, and adjust things. That isn't going to happen anytime soon, and probably won't ever happen since the store would have to become insanely successful for it to "compete" with Steam in a way that would make Steam actually improve, and this lackluster store likely won't ever succeed on that high of a level due to the negatives the store has, the lack of features, messed up regional pricings, etc.)
@19RocknRolla91 yeah but they Just got exclusive at a store where you have to be online all the time to play your games
If you're still bent over that you really need a hobby. There are way worse things in this world and honestly Steam and all of its usability comes with a price and it happens to be that the company actually gets most of the revenue from the games and doesn't give even half the shit back to the actual Developers. This is a financial move albeit on a platform that is still building and with a shaky Trust I've been having problems with steam for years and it looks like it might have a different change of pace. Call it what you want but this is just a different company trying to compete with steam and they actually have the balls to do it.
@@NyxSilence competing with Steam in the most scummiest of ways
I thought I heard that the devs split with Deep Silver because they didnt want them doing things like that anymore, but I guess I heard wrong.
@@SmokePudding it isn't scummy though you're actually getting the product you paid for. This isn't Fifa where you have to buy the rest of the game. Or buy silver to get more shining engrams. This isn't no mans sky. It's a platform switch and the USA version is $10 cheaper (idk what's happening on the eu side). Aside from getting a new underdeveloped launcher, I don't see the problem because there isn't one. It's not online. The game is the same. You still get your product. What's your vice?
They literally lived by their name Exodus. I should have known.
"Just delete the criticism, simple"
One of the major factors here is that Chinese company Tencent is the biggest shareholder of Epic, and they make companies like EA or Bethesda seem like nice guys in comparison.
Tencent has a very "mobile market" approach to gaming and the last thing we want is for them to have a hold of the PC gaming market, we have enough companies trying to pull off shady stunts in it already.
Their "maximum profit only" attitude is the reason why the Unreal Tournament franchise died. Since Fortnite came out there were no more updates to Unreal Tournament on Epic Store which to this day (over a year since the last update) still holds a shameful "this is an early access version with a lot of placeholder content" message.
Tencent doesnt really do anything tho they have shares is almost every company from activision to ubisoft. The phone market has always been a shit show but when i comes to proper games they are pretty good when it comes to acting as a publisher, since they only fulfill their duty as a publisher which is to get the game into china and than don't really care what happens next. Also it was epic idea to fully focus on fortnite, before launching paragon into china they announced it was being shutdown because fortnite starting becoming big and handed out full refunds. I always see tencent get hate but they havent really done anything they are the laissez-faire when it comes to shit they havent made.
Tencent is sketch asf
Wait, the Chinese are involved in Epic? I had no idea, thanks for the info - I will not be using Epic.
Those commie bastards always ruin everything
Tencet is the main force of china's social credit which calculates how valuable you are to the chinese state. No joke these people will track what you do and then deduct if you are trustworthy enough for china. I'd rather not have the epic launcher installed on my pc to become part of the chinese botnet
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Can't agree more. Time to sail the 7 seas again
@@TreeTats and if the game is good maybe buy it when it comes available to steam.
I need tutorials and websites
Sam R
i agree man, i don’t own a pc anymore but at this point i’d say they don’t deserve any money for pulling for a year, by then the game is dead because of so many other games coming out, no reason to wait that long for a story/game that probably isn’t worth the wait like most others.
Wait... why is this game way more expensive on Europe? 1 Euro = 1.15 USD, so that means a 50 USD game should be about 43.50 Euro. If it something like taxes or whatever, I could see a 50 Euro price tag acceptable, but why charge 10 more Euro when each Euro is worth more than a dollar? Like, wtf...
@Gul Dukat nah I think it has alot more to do with marketing. They know if they can capture the US base of consumers. They can get the rest of them to follow afterwards. aka they dont give a shit lol
Epic Games and Tim Sweeney are a bunch of hypocrites who just want Steam’s place in PC gaming without even trying to be better for consumers, they force the use of their launcher and the way they handled Metro Exodus along with THQ Nordic I will not buy their game. And of course never ever buying anything from Epic Games even if they improve a lot of aspects
As I said in other comment - yes, it's anti-consumer, but even steam took HL2 as hostage when they started. If you want to compete with steam, you need exclusives, that's how origin, battle.net and uplay dethroned gog from being second biggest platform. Otherwise, gamers would always pick steam over everything else - not because it's better, but because they have most of their games there. It sucks, but maybe it will force steam to change something (like when they started to offer refunds after gog made something simmilar) or force valve to make games again
@@acidous " but even steam took HL2 as hostage" They made Half Life, it is their own creation, first party, not third party like Metro. Get your false equivalency bullshit outta here.
The same applies to Origin.
Much as I despise EA, it's their games, if they want to sell them exclusively in their store, that's their right.
acidous But they made HL2 no one is saying Epic is holding Fortnite hostage because they made it.
Riiiigghht because Steam is a bastion of a game store in comparison.
Steam needs to be knocked down a peg, and healthy competition only means good things for consumers.
4:50 AND STEAM DOESN'T HINDER YOUR GAME PERFORMANCE WHEN ITS RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!
Neither does the epic launcher so idk what this has to do with anything
I don't care what you sell on Epic Games.. my answer is always NO.
@J. J. Its not just another launcher, quit being ignorant.
@J. J. Stop being ignorant it is just not another launcher stop being ignorant
@J. J. I dont want to leave my 100+ steam library for an inferior launcher with worse pricing and service.
@@manganistDIMITRI You aren't "leaving" your library. You are just using another store and launcher for one game.
@J. J. yes. If it's not on steam, I will not buy it. Maybe pirate if it's something I wanted to play. GOG might be the only other launcher I can get behind, as it offers DRM free games.
Time Exclusives always been a Epic Failure in the gaming industry
I don't understand Epic here. Look at GOG and Steam: they don't have a problem with coexisting. There is even GOG Connect, where you can get a free GOG copy of a game you own on Steam. Heck, even Uplay and Steam, while clonky, kinda work together (you need Uplay, but you own game on Steam and have access to Steam features). The only closed platforms are from Activison-Actizzard and EA, but we know how they are. Does Epic realy want to be put in one bag with companies like that?
@@sumireravenclaw8034 www.gogwiki.com/wiki/GOG_Connect
The games that were claimable. Oh, the irony, Metro 2033 Redux was there too.
It does depend on the publisher and it's not always new (who would sell a game and then give it away for free after a few days), GOG doesn't put much effor in MMOs since it doesn't want to or can't provide servers (PoE and Rocket League is always online MMO) and KoTOR is EA so dont't expect them do give you that for free on a platform which isn't their own. And since On The House was dumped, don't expect them to give you anything for free.
Short answer, yes. Long answer...yes! of course!
They're all scumbag companies who belong with each other
I am not surprised that epic is doing this, after all epic is an online game publisher. MMO publishers tend to be very hostile towards the competition, they will try to lock you in their ecosystem at all cost. Many MMO publishers, specially some asian ones even forbid you to name any sort of online game from other company in their forums, even if you are talking negatively about the competition. In the case of Epic, they are now in a position of power after fortnite success, so they are finally showing their true colors.
What it suck about this is that they are trying to make the same thing that console companies do, but with pc gaming market in the form exlusive releases for their platform. I have no problem with an online store releasing exclusive games in their store if said games are created by them or completly founded by the company. But if they start doing the same thing that microsoft and sony do in consoles with their idiotic bribe-like tactics on AAA companies for temporary or even permanent exclusives. Thats when things will start to be really bad.
Epic Logic: MONEY! WE WANT ALL THE MONEY!
Thats all there is too it. They don't care about anything else.
@@Pogram1 Well, truth to be told Epics must do what they did if they want to compete with steam for real. Gog is good example that giving just better platform isnt enough - they were second biggest platform, but then ubi made uplay, ea made origin, acti went full battle.net and gog share dropped significantly. Nobody, NOBODY would pick epic if not their exclusives, because noone likes to instal milion different lunchers. Because why you should do that, when most of your games are on steam and price is exactly the same everywhere (or its lower on steam, because its bigger platform and can strike better deal with publisher than newcomer)? Yes, it's anti-consumer, but even steam took HL2 as hostage when they started.
"Epic's generous revenue terms are a game changer that will allow publishers to invest more into content creation, or pass on savings to the players."
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's gonna happen... Especially since they just showed how pro-consumer they are by making it exclusive less than three weeks before launch.
That extra revenue goes straight into the publisher pockets, players certainly won't see a difference and I doubt even developers will get much if anything at all.
Exactly, it's all about greed. We'll never see any benefit from this.
*Wants more profits for their game*
*makes decision that will actually lose more profits than they would've originally got*
@@benbenny2435 Most publishers these days seem to be exclusively looking for short-term gain, and completely ignoring anything that takes longer than "Right here, right NOW!". That's likely why the big AAA companies seem to completely disregard what the gaming communities think of them - they seem to believe people willing to buy in blindly are an infinite resource that they can just get more of as long as they advertise loudly enough.
As for Metro, this feels like the publisher fucking over the devs at the last second in the name of a bundle of nice fresh dollar bills. Wouldn't surprise me if someone jumped ship immediately after, cashing in on whatever money they can stuff in their pockets before vanishing off the face of the Earth.
Didn't they make it ten dollars cheaper? Is that not passing on saving to the players? I'm confused.
But they made the game $10 cheaper, so they're already showing signs that it could be true. I'm sorry, but Steam has been screwing over developers for a long time. The fact that negative review bombing is a thing is ridiculous. The dev/publisher/representative of the company does something bad, even if it has nothing to do with the game, the game just gets bombed with negative reviews (just like in this situation) and Steam isn't helping devs at all. How stupid is that? Those reviews will stay there forever even if they have nothing to do with the game, and this is not the only example. I would be pissed off too as a dev if one of my employees or whoever said something reckless or stupid on their Twitter and then the community shits on my game. Especially today when everything is offensive and upsets someone. And Steam just lets it happen. As good as it is for consumers, I might just understand devs or publishers making the decision of stepping away from a platform that's never on their side.
I'm a console peasant, but I'm on your guy's side. This is some shady business tactics. Keep fighting the good fight PC Master Race.
Why should Steam store gets most of the revenue they don't own the PC market
Gaiden Hexus console peasant who knows what is up. May you thrive!
You aren't a peasant, you are a gamer. Hold your head high mate :-) Us PC players are no different, we all just love gaming. This situation is pretty shady, and I hope this doesn't become a common problem.
Reminds me of all those "I'm a black guy but I support white ethnostate in US, keep on fighting for your future" comments lol
Dude you don't have to own a gaming PC to be "master race", you're comment proves it, welcome
Ho ho it's a pirate's life for me.
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I really just don't want to support Epic because of these shady deals with developers. Some people might not like Steam, but people seem to forget that PC gaming really was in a rut for a while there, and piracy delivered a vastly superior product in many cases. But here comes Valve who single handedly raised PC gaming from the slump. Many things Steam did back then are taken for granted nowadays, like automatic game updates.
Steam also has never done these exclusive deals, in fact they welcome anyone currently on their platform, for good and bad, but at least every developer has a chance to make it, and many have found instant success just by releasing their game on Steam without any marketing. There is a reason why they are almost like a monopoly in PC gaming, but they got where they are fair and square.
Epic is simply showing their true nature early on and how they do business, and it's simply something I'm not willing to support in any way.
Not everything is so peachy on Steam though. Valve is all about cash as well with customer satisfaction being a secondary concern. People were complaining about the trash in the store with Greenlight and what did Valve do about it? Replace it with Steam Direct, a program that allows Valve to make even more money out of it, lower the control of the releases and have even more trash in the store.
They actually did it in the past - you had a studios that on PC you could get their games only on Steam.
Erm you have it completely wrong. WE who used pc's for gaming before the days of Steam, well myself anyway, got well and truly pissed off when steam got shoved down my throat and having to have that update my games etc etc. It was a bullshit programme back then and it still is now. Also Valve actually used to make games but I guess they could make more money taking it off people who actually do work and not do a single things themselves but count count count them pennies. Lots of children complaining about this, grow up and learn how to work your pc yourself.
Ted Cameron x The future is now old man, adapt or be left behind.
I think people are giving Steam way too much credit, the early days of Steam were absolutely awful, good luck getting the Offline mode to work even for the first few years it was around; and god forbid it somehow realised that you had an automatic update on your single-player game. Yea sorry, you're not playing that until you download 2GB over satellite kkthx bye. (Australian internet in the country, fun! :P)
Only within the last year are they finally complying with Australian Consumer law, so they're not exactly paragons of compliance either.
Steam has definitely been holding exclusives for years, if you wanted "Deus Ex Mankind Divided" but wanted it on PC, you better cosy up to Steam because that's your only choice.
For all it's flaws, EPIC is making a /very/ attractive deal to attract developers and publishers, and I'm not surprised that publishers are going beyond the standard offer to squeeze some exclusivity bonuses while the platform is new, and with very little (comparatively) competition on the store.
Once nice thing is Steam's latest revenue split changes for widely successful games was a direct response to EPIC, in an attempt to keep the eyes of the big AAA publishers from moving to greener ($$ geddit? I'm sorry that was awful) pastures. Even if you hate EPIC the AMD vs NVIDIA parallels are fantastic!
Hopefully EPIC will continue to grow and mature their platform, just as happened in the early days of Steam, and with any luck gamers and developers now have just one more option to choose from, and we'll see how it matures over time.
Deepsilver has a history of screwing up games through dumb decisions, all you have to do is look to mighty #9's insulting trailer and... well this stupidity.
Deep Silver is also the ones that decided to take Metro Last Light's Ranger Mode and chop it off as a separate $5 DLC as well... that still rubs me the wrong way. It got reported on in many gaming articles at the time as well. So yea, I love 4A Games, but I still don't fully trust Deep Silver due to patterns of behavior like that in the past, how they handled Mighty No. 9 as well like the OP pointed out, etc.
There was also that Dead Island: Riptide mangled female torso in an american flag bikini statue edition...
They got such a talented dev studio that work their asses off, and they take a shit on their love product.
Saved me $60. Won't ever support Epic for doing this exclusivity bullshit. Metro Exodus doesn't deserve a chance. Buying Metro just tells Epic that they can feel free to keep doing this shit. It sucks but the only way anybody is going to think twice about signing exclusivity deals with Epic is if this game bombs hard.
Its not exclusive though its on more than 1 platform
J. J. It’s because the Epic Launcher isn’t even close to the reliability of Steam.
The game DOES a chance, BUT you don't want to give it, which is completely fair i suppose.
The developers, 4A studio or something, are not to blame. They do not handle this deal. They just develop the game. The publisher, Deep Silver, is to blame on this story.
I would not judge the game by what Silver is doing. I bet the game will be good, but they (Silver and Epic) have to learn a lesson.
Praise Lord Gaben!
@J. J.
I wish your internet is gone. That Epic Launcher won't run without it.
Never trust people that created Fortnight
Out of all arguments, this is the most retarded of them all.
There's so many valid points and you still choose to ride on the fn hate train lmao.
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Spheracul What hate train? lol
As long as cyberpunk is on steam ill be happy...
I have trust in CDProjektRed that they would not be tempted by Epic's Bribe. They won't want their name tarnished.
When Red Dead Redemption 2 however finally launches on PC, Epic will probably offer them millions of dollars for exclusivity. Lets just hope that Rockstar Games will start hating money >_
@@KyrenCross CDPR have their own platform (GOG) and they get all the profit there, not 30% less, not 12%, but 0%. 40% of TW3 sales were done on GOG because the fans wanted to support them. If they were to make it exclusive anywhere it would be there, and GOG has always been a great, DRM free platform. Even then, they didn't make witcher exclusive, they wont do it with Cyber either.
Isn’t Epic Games store spyware?
No but steam it
Wouldn't be surprised
It is. Over 80 million accounts were exposed last month.
*80.*
*Million.*
jacky yo dude what's your vendetta against steam? Like every one of your posts in just shitting on people for saying that steam is a better platform instead of the epic launcher
It's owned by the Chinese. What do you think.
When he pulls out of a girl does he yell
“YOOOOONG OOUUUT”
William Bentley lol that’s a thinker
Imagine being Yong and realizing he has 27 (at the time of this post) random dudes picturing him cumming into/or out of a lady...
and he'll start by explaining the girl in the detail while having videos he has of her in the background
Guys please staph!
My mind is picturing stuff it's disturbing
I don't think he's pulling out of girls.
To Deep Silver (just my opinion, don't get triggered):
So, the true release date of Exodus will be the 14th of Feb, 2020. Would have payed full price and wholeheartedly recommend it. But now, Deep Silver, I will only buy your game after it releases on Steam and is under $35 during a sale, as well as possibly boycotting all your other future products depending on your future actions. I'm very patient, and there are so many other games to play, as well as new games to buy this year.
Congrats, you have lessened your entire companie's integrity in one move. And while I won't be one of them, you're going to have many people completely boycotting your game while playing a pirated version and then not buying it when it does come out due to spite. You guys messed up bigtime.
No worries, Deep Silver. I'll just buy Sekiro instead.
hahaha same here
If you don't want to waste your money, download a pirated copy, don't worry though, it's unlikely you'll encounter any viruses.
Unfortunately you will be supporting Activision at the same time since they're publishing it in the west.
@@rokmare hopefully they won't have any control over DLC and such.
@@YahyaFalcon them signing an exclusivity deal doesn't justify you stealing the game
Yet no one brings the issue to correct most individuals who've made some sort of "media-focus" (ex. A video, or text article) about the price "positive" is the fact that only americans get the 10-dollar off benefit, NOT everyone else - despite what they're presenting it as instead. Everyone outside America is, essentially, forced to pay the full price they would've payed on Steam (Or any platform) anyway.
Fifty dollars are about the mere 43-45 Euros. Yet they're selling the product for 60 euros - what's essentialy about 67-70 dollars. That's more than 20 dollars overprice for non-americans.
Yep, 59 euro is 70 dollar.... that's 20 dollars on top of the the us price. Utter shite
Another reason to pirate it until they let GoG have it down the road.. hopefully
о дермо. .....пиздец.
Steam advertised this game and had it prominently for many months.. for nothing.. now they have to host a small number of customers with it. I would have just refunded everyone and dropped it like a sack of rocks. F' Epic, I will not support companies that embark on a "conquest via exclusivity" as opposed to competition. I'm in my 40's and I buy an average of one new game per month. This *was* a sale, but now I might have to consult Pirate Bay instead.
I think for epic having exclusives builds the competition that's their logic, I mean look at the PS4 VS XBOX ONE. Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption 2 30days exclusive content and plenty of other games follow this trend. They have so many 1st party exclusives that can only be played on PS4. Exclusives on PS4 is part of the reason of why it has become the most successful console (of its power, spec and class) this generation. Epic is likely following this business model to get a higher player base faster and "hopefully".... use the revenue boost to update services faster to compete with steam.
It's a fucking launcher you old loser
Fuck them
@@God-mb8wi I mean, look at the reactions, clearly people have more connection to their preffered launcher than you give them credit for
Yeah the way Epic sees this competition is like PS4 VS Xbox One. The problem is that Steam and the EGS is that they are both Software, not Hardware. PS and XBOX are products, like Apple phones and Android phones. They are Platforms that provides service, services that other company's make for them, and exclusives are there to sell the platforms that they are on. Steam VS Epic Store, on the other hand, are Two Services fighting each other on a singular platform, the PC, and that there is the problem. Since both of the services are on the same platform, you'll end up using the services that are more convenient for you. Yeah the Epic Store have Exclusives, but that's not stopping people from being able to go back to Steam. Even if the Epic Store is better than Steam, it doesn't stop the fact that people already have a large library on Steam.
The reason why I think everyone doesn't like the Exclusivity is that the last two game was basically exclusive on Steam, for the PC market anyway. This change is like if Halo 2&3 was on the 360 but Halo 4 is on PS3. Or your reading a book and the last book is an E-book. It forces people to change if they want to follow along. At least there will be a Steam version next year. Better than no Steam version. And the Steam pre-order people could in theory trade Their game around with other people.
Let's be honest, Metro Exodus and Fortnite is all epic has right now that anyone cares about, their store isn't going anywhere
Also all the ubisoft games
@@fran991213 which u can just buy on uplay and need uplay to play them anyway, plus who is actually excited about a ubsoft game nowadays
yeah no one cares about Epic Store anyway...Also I hate Tencent...
It also has an Early Access game by the developers of Bastion, Pyre and Transistor. Each was bought by more than a million people, so it's safe to say enough people care about that too.
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Console users will not care
Steam is very pro consumer, yes.
Epic was very vocal right from the start, that they are focusing on being pro developer.
That's the difference, they don't even try to be pro consumer, just pro developer.
I wonder who buys more games though, consumers or developers... :D
Guess the better revenue split doesn't matter if you don't sell your game, ever thought about that?
Steam's pretty good about everything but their customer service.
GAMERS RISE UP!!!!1!!
@@cybereus836 This opinion certainly goes against the norm. I, too, have had fantastic support from steam over the years
That last part you said is what I’ve been saying as well. If you’re game gets more revenue from a service other than Steam but it doesn’t sell at all compared to if it were on Steam, then what’s the point?
I’m sure they’ll come back criying to Steam when their sales suck.
@@cybereus836 That, And quality control on their store. So much bloatware, though I don't see it showing up that often so maybe they implemented a filter, hm.
So many people will be refunding their copy as soon as they get it. And, I hope so, this should not be accepted! I understand that it sucks that there is hardly an alternative to Steam, so I understand that developers want to fight. But then make it launch IMMEDIATLY on the Epic Store, so people don't get screwed later on. This will be a huge repercussion on the Metro series.
2019 is literally the year of the pirate, I fully expect gaming piracy to take a big leap this year.
Well i already cancelled my physical preorder. Will wait for next year to game come out on steam. As devs are not in fault, its pure publisher screwup.
no, it won't.
@@thedeegeesaga oh it will have massive impact on their sales. Just look up forums and comments around net according this topic. And it is majorly negative, with, i could assume 80% of comments being aimed at pirating game/not buying at all/waiting for next years steam launch.
@@thedeegeesaga Are you really that daft? We are talking about PC gamers. Unlike console gamers, we know what's going on. You can't pull a fast one on us. That's why companies have such a difficult time doing business with us. Platform exclusivity has no place in PC gaming. Not being on Steam will hurt your game. Period.
In my country, price doesnt drop either. Even worse, Metro Exodus store page in EPIC is 404. There's absolutely no reason to buy from EPIC really :/
Sounds like you can't even if you'd want to..
what country are you from?
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