Loved the monetazation rant, I'm so happy there are still indy games out there that will never be pay to win and are still old school... I bounce around between games and I still play a 25 year old game more than any other for a reason... it was built well with heart.
I loved it as well, just 2 points were missing. The people are fundamentally at fault, if it gets sales it will go on. And PoE is free to play cost 0. D4 costs what? 50? 60? you can get your stash tabs in peo for 10 or 20 bucks. Basically the game costs 10 or 20 bucks or more if you so choose. Its propably the best version of long time monetization, at least as far as I know.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this playthrough, and honestly I would probably enjoy it even more if it was twice as long. I love the idea of building up a character slowly and not just rushing through as soon as it's technically possible to get past the act boss. I could watch Llama farm for the right bows and runes for hours.
This right here. Last year I did my first hardcore character ever. Offline. It was a sorc, and I loved the experience of finding random blue quality upgrades, shopping for gear, crafting, farming, etc. All while being super careful. I'd really like an even more difficult experience...so one day it's gonna be solo self found/offline hardcore physical bowazon. I gotta at least try.
Funny how for all the studies gaming companies do on addictive behavior, they repeatedly fail to emulate Diablo 2, a game that people have been addicted to for 20+ years 🤔
D2 is a niche game, created with quality in mind. The blizzard sauce at the time is what makes the old StarCraft and W3 so great too. They were generous with the content the game could offer, they didn't have the luxury to hold your balls for months with some online, live service or preorder crap. You bought the cd, if the game was crap it would be in a corner collecting dust and you would never care for any dlc. Videogame companies nowadays are really greedy and it's backfiring on them.
I don't mind at all that PoE sets it up so that you need to buy currency tabs to make the game more enjoyable, because it's F2P at its base and doesn't give you any pay to win options. With D2R, the BASE Diablo 2 game back in the day came with unlimited character slots and stash tabs due to the simple fact that you could create as many accounts as you wanted, which makes the current lack of character slots and stash tabs extremely frustrating, even if they added an option to buy additional tabs or character slots like what PoE does, because in addition to being worse in terms of storage space than the original game, D2R is STILL a game that you have to buy in the first place and isn't F2P. That said, what I'd like to see is: Stacking Currency - Free Shared Currency Tab - Free 50 total Character Slots - Free 5 total Regular Shared Stash Tabs - Free Additional Character Slots - $ per slot Additional Stash Tabs - $ per tab Most people will be just fine with the base game that they paid for, at that point. And people who need more have an option available to them.
Especially because with PoE, the "mandatory" currency tabs are about 25 dollars. You want to splurge and drop 50-60 and you're doing fantastic. Diablo 4 where I live is literally 100 dollars on its own
How does strafe work with IAS? I’ve been just tearing whole screens apart with high attack speed using multi shot. I’m super squishy with high DPS, idk if I’d survive being stuck in place so much with strafe lol
@@johnjefferson1104 it does! Spitting out arrows as a MF. The more IAS the faster the strafe. The lock isn't that long and if you use it strategically you're gonna be fine. I maxed out strafe, multi shot and guided arrow, so it's very versatile.
@@johnjefferson1104 nothing crazy to be honest: buriza-do kyanon ballista crossbow (gives a 100% pierce) - working towards getting wind force or faith; high lords, laying of hands, shako, goldwrap, war traveler boots, duriel's shell, two rare rings with resist - all I was lucky to get so far. Plus physical sunder charm. When I upgrade the weapon its gonna be even deadlier.
I would prefer the sharktooth over peace since you’re kiting quite a bit in hell anyway. The ability to cut regen on poison immune monsters is also a bonus. Or maybe the zon runs too slow with the armor weight?
You can easily make treachery for your merc, and of course gamble an elite polearm for him and socket it with an amn if you can't make a runeword for him.
I know the Sigon's is super sweet, but if anyone's going to spend time playing this character, I recommend crafting knockback gloves until you get a pair with 20IAS.
@@johnjefferson1104bro both of those are very difficult to find. These is just the start of the build. You dont get to the "windforce" stage till you get a sorc with a torch,anni and fully decked out MF gear. I have been playing this game casually since 2000s and i have never self found a windforce or a giant skull. The rarest item i have found was griffins and that took me probably about a year to find when i was running Baal with my paladin without enigma... highest rune i have ever self found wad Sur. You are not finding giant skull or let alone windforce unless you are constantly running Hell baal AND at a high players setting. And then at that point im sure you have a really strong hdin or sorc doing it. Most bowazons will be using as good of a insight as they can get or even a hustle if they cant find a 4os bow.
@Hallowsaw damn. Must get irritating all these build guides that constantly call for super rare stuff I did find a 2nd giant skull and tried to trade it. No one wanted it and I ended up dropping in a free game
@@johnjefferson1104 i mean i definitely have gotten rare gear before but usually it is through trading up for someone who is desperate for an item i have. But for solo finding without trading anything, it is extremely difficult to get anything worth a single hr let alone a faith or windforce which have very hogh rarities
Durial dropped 2 class items1:24:11.. I wish they would bring back the Duriel quest item drop bug or patch it like they did with andy. I like teeth its a lot like multi shot. Wish they made it a stronger skill for AOE damage du to I hork the bodies and don't use CE. I love doing LK like that But my complaint is the gold doesn't get picked up un less you circle back to it :(
Hey I know this is a longshot but I am trying to make a physical bowzon build but cant find anything new for a Faith bowzon build if possible can you make a Faith build.
I played PoE off and on, but always end up dropping it, I never really even got to maps which I think is the end game. If I get into PoE 2 though I'd be fine with spending a little bit of money on stash tabs. I doubt D4 will hold my attention, probably for longer than 3 but I see too much 3 DNA in it. I do like that PoE has SSF and no forced instances of random people fighting with you in the world. I don't enjoy the crowded towns, but I can deal with it fine then go off and do my own thing; not forced mmo elements for those who want to play solo like in D4.
It actually depends on the person. For us people with decent income, paying for convenience isnt really that much of a big deal. It isnt predatory for us because we know we can afford it and not big of a deal. Its like asking why am I driving a ferarri instead of porsche. Both gets you to your destination, both are fast enough for highway driving, both are decent, but one looks better than the other and i dont mind paying for it. Only if you are poor you become a prey for these people. For others, its nothing. I do not deny its pay to win though. Its 100% pay to win. Im okay with it because its really not a lot of money lol. What is money for if not to spend on something you like.
@@epicseven3222 just because you make enough money to suck the fun out of video games doesn’t mean you should. If you are worried about time, and convenience don’t play video games. Building short cuts into games just diminishes the experience.
The single thing that has made multi-player D2 (LoD) into a pointless hot mess, is "non-consensual hostility". This immensely counter-productive "feature" is an open invitation for griefers (most of whom cheat with hacks like the notorious TPPK) to ruin co-operative multi-player D2 games by murdering otherwide friendly D2 players, "because they can". "Non-consensual hostility" is, in fact, one of the worst, most stupid design decisions ever made by a game manufacturer -- doubly so because Blizzard has had many opportunities to fix it and has deliberately chosen to leave it in. I will NEVER play vanilla D2 LoD (or D2R), because of this.
bow zons op, just new generation of players do the whole cringe "mmo balance" logic trying to apply it to diablo 2 or poe When the way it actually works is you farm currency with a sorc or something than dump into a bow zon or a high currency char and are pretty op. lod, chaos bow zon farmer was busted, can multishot clear everything off screen on a decent player lvl. Zon just one of those chars that require x amount of currency investment. Bow zon is always my 2nd char on ladder, soo much fun! Always thought it was cringe when people complained about d2 balance....its not a esport, its cool somestuff is broken and fun or requires actually investment, your playing an arpg, not some competitive game. not sure why everyone in 2023 want's everything to be "balanced" lol Diablo 2's highest peak playerbase was lod 09 patch when we had lvl 1-99 hellcows and all kinds of insane items, occy rings, ah the good ol days when B net had like 70k people on at once. i don't want classes to all be balanced and even with each other, soo boring. or people wanting fun runewords nerfed....
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Loved the monetazation rant, I'm so happy there are still indy games out there that will never be pay to win and are still old school... I bounce around between games and I still play a 25 year old game more than any other for a reason... it was built well with heart.
I loved it as well, just 2 points were missing. The people are fundamentally at fault, if it gets sales it will go on.
And PoE is free to play cost 0. D4 costs what? 50? 60? you can get your stash tabs in peo for 10 or 20 bucks. Basically the game costs 10 or 20 bucks or more if you so choose. Its propably the best version of long time monetization, at least as far as I know.
@@gertgratz9248 I'd rather just buy POE
I have thoroughly enjoyed this playthrough, and honestly I would probably enjoy it even more if it was twice as long. I love the idea of building up a character slowly and not just rushing through as soon as it's technically possible to get past the act boss. I could watch Llama farm for the right bows and runes for hours.
This right here. Last year I did my first hardcore character ever. Offline. It was a sorc, and I loved the experience of finding random blue quality upgrades, shopping for gear, crafting, farming, etc. All while being super careful. I'd really like an even more difficult experience...so one day it's gonna be solo self found/offline hardcore physical bowazon. I gotta at least try.
Great play Llama. Doubt I could’ve kept up with you. Even just walking through town!
Funny how for all the studies gaming companies do on addictive behavior, they repeatedly fail to emulate Diablo 2, a game that people have been addicted to for 20+ years 🤔
D2 is a niche game, created with quality in mind.
The blizzard sauce at the time is what makes the old StarCraft and W3 so great too. They were generous with the content the game could offer, they didn't have the luxury to hold your balls for months with some online, live service or preorder crap. You bought the cd, if the game was crap it would be in a corner collecting dust and you would never care for any dlc.
Videogame companies nowadays are really greedy and it's backfiring on them.
@@larseunicTotal bs. Watch interview with creators.
I don't mind at all that PoE sets it up so that you need to buy currency tabs to make the game more enjoyable, because it's F2P at its base and doesn't give you any pay to win options.
With D2R, the BASE Diablo 2 game back in the day came with unlimited character slots and stash tabs due to the simple fact that you could create as many accounts as you wanted, which makes the current lack of character slots and stash tabs extremely frustrating, even if they added an option to buy additional tabs or character slots like what PoE does, because in addition to being worse in terms of storage space than the original game, D2R is STILL a game that you have to buy in the first place and isn't F2P.
That said, what I'd like to see is:
Stacking Currency - Free
Shared Currency Tab - Free
50 total Character Slots - Free
5 total Regular Shared Stash Tabs - Free
Additional Character Slots - $ per slot
Additional Stash Tabs - $ per tab
Most people will be just fine with the base game that they paid for, at that point. And people who need more have an option available to them.
Especially because with PoE, the "mandatory" currency tabs are about 25 dollars. You want to splurge and drop 50-60 and you're doing fantastic. Diablo 4 where I live is literally 100 dollars on its own
Poe good.
Amazing Video! Good Job!
You do the best stuff🎉
I use multishot if there are large groups and strafe if there are 5 or less monsters. Having knockback helps a ton!!
The stash tabs in poe are the expansions to play the different endgames
Beauty = Personal Hell
I finished Hell with Strife + Guided Arrow. Man, Strife literally destroys now. You ought to try it.
shut hell up u liar...strife does nothing
What's your gear?
How does strafe work with IAS? I’ve been just tearing whole screens apart with high attack speed using multi shot. I’m super squishy with high DPS, idk if I’d survive being stuck in place so much with strafe lol
@@johnjefferson1104 it does! Spitting out arrows as a MF. The more IAS the faster the strafe. The lock isn't that long and if you use it strategically you're gonna be fine. I maxed out strafe, multi shot and guided arrow, so it's very versatile.
@@johnjefferson1104 nothing crazy to be honest: buriza-do kyanon ballista crossbow (gives a 100% pierce) - working towards getting wind force or faith; high lords, laying of hands, shako, goldwrap, war traveler boots, duriel's shell, two rare rings with resist - all I was lucky to get so far. Plus physical sunder charm. When I upgrade the weapon its gonna be even deadlier.
Llama is the goat
Let’s go :)
Act 5 lawbringer merc works really well with this build
Love this playthrough. Getting your hair and makeup done? You looked a little shabby in normal lol.
I would prefer the sharktooth over peace since you’re kiting quite a bit in hell anyway. The ability to cut regen on poison immune monsters is also a bonus.
Or maybe the zon runs too slow with the armor weight?
You can easily make treachery for your merc, and of course gamble an elite polearm for him and socket it with an amn if you can't make a runeword for him.
I recommend a3 merc for enchant and he kites
Maybe u could do some D2 classic(non-LOD) content? Like this Bowazon but on classic xD
With d4, it might be the limit of a publicly traded development studio.
good buil
I know the Sigon's is super sweet, but if anyone's going to spend time playing this character, I recommend crafting knockback gloves until you get a pair with 20IAS.
Windforce got knockback. Or giant skull.
@@johnjefferson1104bro both of those are very difficult to find. These is just the start of the build. You dont get to the "windforce" stage till you get a sorc with a torch,anni and fully decked out MF gear. I have been playing this game casually since 2000s and i have never self found a windforce or a giant skull. The rarest item i have found was griffins and that took me probably about a year to find when i was running Baal with my paladin without enigma... highest rune i have ever self found wad Sur. You are not finding giant skull or let alone windforce unless you are constantly running Hell baal AND at a high players setting. And then at that point im sure you have a really strong hdin or sorc doing it. Most bowazons will be using as good of a insight as they can get or even a hustle if they cant find a 4os bow.
@Hallowsaw damn. Must get irritating all these build guides that constantly call for super rare stuff
I did find a 2nd giant skull and tried to trade it. No one wanted it and I ended up dropping in a free game
@@johnjefferson1104 i mean i definitely have gotten rare gear before but usually it is through trading up for someone who is desperate for an item i have. But for solo finding without trading anything, it is extremely difficult to get anything worth a single hr let alone a faith or windforce which have very hogh rarities
Highest LK rune is Ber? Or all the way up to Zod?
based smite at redditor at 35:00
Why use res in 3 os helmet when it's so easy to get cbf there now?
Durial dropped 2 class items1:24:11.. I wish they would bring back the Duriel quest item drop bug or patch it like they did with andy. I like teeth its a lot like multi shot. Wish they made it a stronger skill for AOE damage du to I hork the bodies and don't use CE. I love doing LK like that But my complaint is the gold doesn't get picked up un less you circle back to it :(
Hey I know this is a longshot but I am trying to make a physical bowzon build but cant find anything new for a Faith bowzon build if possible can you make a Faith build.
Woot
I played PoE off and on, but always end up dropping it, I never really even got to maps which I think is the end game. If I get into PoE 2 though I'd be fine with spending a little bit of money on stash tabs. I doubt D4 will hold my attention, probably for longer than 3 but I see too much 3 DNA in it. I do like that PoE has SSF and no forced instances of random people fighting with you in the world. I don't enjoy the crowded towns, but I can deal with it fine then go off and do my own thing; not forced mmo elements for those who want to play solo like in D4.
1:43:00 - shoot your shot, and eventually you make a baby
How are you going to run hell without Valkyrie?
I rolled a Harmony with +6 to valkarie but in my skill tree i only see +3. What is going on?
Who is he chatting about 1:40:49 "three months" ?
You could play even more builds in d4
i played this char a week ago, its so painful :(
Yess grief on bow 😁
New games " oh I see your fighting diablo here's an add"😂😅😢
FIRST!
I want to get back into D2, but grinding LK for runes completely burned me out on the game.
First
you always move so fast though hell when the toons not vary good seems just to get though it lol
Strafe is so much better... And those cleglaw for slow and kb... I'm starting to question things here hahaha (joke)
People defending pay to win is so insane to me. I don’t get how anyone besides kids fall for all that predatory BS. It’s so dumb
It actually depends on the person. For us people with decent income, paying for convenience isnt really that much of a big deal. It isnt predatory for us because we know we can afford it and not big of a deal.
Its like asking why am I driving a ferarri instead of porsche. Both gets you to your destination, both are fast enough for highway driving, both are decent, but one looks better than the other and i dont mind paying for it.
Only if you are poor you become a prey for these people. For others, its nothing.
I do not deny its pay to win though. Its 100% pay to win. Im okay with it because its really not a lot of money lol. What is money for if not to spend on something you like.
@@epicseven3222 just because you make enough money to suck the fun out of video games doesn’t mean you should. If you are worried about time, and convenience don’t play video games. Building short cuts into games just diminishes the experience.
people defending microtransactions for standard gaming features is nuts
"Bowazon is a terrible boss killer" + "It's not worth the time to kill these" = "Bowazon is fun"
...
Uh, that math is not adding up *at all.* 😅
playing SM64 blindfolded is terrible and not worth the time but people have fun doing it :)
The single thing that has made multi-player D2 (LoD) into a pointless hot mess, is "non-consensual hostility". This immensely counter-productive "feature" is an open invitation for griefers (most of whom cheat with hacks like the notorious TPPK) to ruin co-operative multi-player D2 games by murdering otherwide friendly D2 players, "because they can".
"Non-consensual hostility" is, in fact, one of the worst, most stupid design decisions ever made by a game manufacturer -- doubly so because Blizzard has had many opportunities to fix it and has deliberately chosen to leave it in.
I will NEVER play vanilla D2 LoD (or D2R), because of this.
I dont like watching you under level. Too many clutch plays
bow zons op, just new generation of players do the whole cringe "mmo balance" logic trying to apply it to diablo 2 or poe
When the way it actually works is you farm currency with a sorc or something than dump into a bow zon or a high currency char and are pretty op.
lod, chaos bow zon farmer was busted, can multishot clear everything off screen on a decent player lvl. Zon just one of those chars that require x amount of currency investment. Bow zon is always my 2nd char on ladder, soo much fun!
Always thought it was cringe when people complained about d2 balance....its not a esport, its cool somestuff is broken and fun or requires actually investment, your playing an arpg, not some competitive game.
not sure why everyone in 2023 want's everything to be "balanced" lol Diablo 2's highest peak playerbase was lod 09 patch when we had lvl 1-99 hellcows and all kinds of insane items, occy rings, ah the good ol days when B net had like 70k people on at once.
i don't want classes to all be balanced and even with each other, soo boring. or people wanting fun runewords nerfed....