Thank you for giving some love to my favorite new pokemon. It's so underestimate, but I think I found the best compromise set : mixed bulk. If you wanna give it a try and show it to more people, it's 252hp, 192def 64spdef calm nature, tera water, regenerator, Assault Vest, Giga Drain, Fickle Beam, Earth power And Draco meteor (or another move of your choice). I take time to calc it, so it can live dm from specs dragapult and kill with a roll fb or ohko with dm. It can win his dual against gholdengo, live ice spinner from tusk, take 2 sludge wave from booster energy moth, etc. It's so versatile, I love it. You can also use max def boots with reco as last move, or max spdef boots/av. Please give some love guys to this mon :)
I appreciate that fickle beam has decent enough base power to not feel like a wasted turn when you dont get the 2x multiplier. kinda feels like fishing for crits.
Fickle Beam is the mentality and idea of "FUCK IT! WE BALL!" made into a move. It is the single most hype move in the game when the homies show up for the Fickle Beam.
Something about Appletun and Flapple now, they don't stack up to Hydrapple because they have the stats of a middle evolution with Hydrapple having 55 more base stats. I hope the other apples get another evolution cause I love Appletun and want more apple dragons. It's crazy how many designs they've gotten out of the concept.
It id weird that they didn't give Flapple and Appletun evos with Dipplin, given all three share the same BST. Maybe we'll get even cooler amphithere and drake designs for their evos, maybe even adding those draconic species into their names like Hydrapple did.
I beat a stall team on showdown because of the bonus effect. I was at +4 with nasty plot, and used fickle beam on a blissey. It did 40% the first time, and then 80%, deleting it.
Brute Bonnet came before Hydrapple, and Paradox forms aren't classified as legendary (with the exception of Koraidon/Miraidon; even the Paradox forms of legendaries, such as Iron Leaves, aren't officially classified as legendary). Though I suppose Paradox mons still fall into a special category similar to Legendaries.
@@frozenbonkchoy4986 Huh, because most people I talk to agree Ultra Beasts aren't legendary. And anyway, even if they're considered legendary by much of the fandom, that doesn't mean they are. Like how many people will Pronounce Arceus as arseus instead of arkeus. Just because it's a popular way to say it doesn't make it correct.
@@bird_obsession you have a fair point, and depending on who’s POV we look through, I can see arguments for both of our sides. If looking strictly at what’s official, then you’d be correct. If we look at what I’ve seen the community agree on (which I very well may be wrong on btw, but whatever) then I could, in a sense be considered correct. However, I fully acknowledge that your position has a viewpoint that is more often correct than mine
@@NopeNope-mh4tyalso give grass a fairy resistance or immunity since “fairies don’t like hurting the forest”. Grass is a pretty darn awful defensive type with 3 extremely prominent weaknesses and an additional weakness to bug. I imagine that with increasingly common bug types grass would struggle a tad
The thing about Grass/Dragon is that it has 3 quad resistances to Electric/Grass/Water and a very useful resistance to Ground that allows Hydrapple to come in on these hits more or less for free, and Hydrapple has the defensive stats to take a subsequent non-STAB coverage move (unless it's Ice). Grass/Dragon is by no means a *good* typing, but I wouldn't say it's outright terrible either.
I think that's largely due to how badly people percieve grass types, but that's because their biggest flaw is they are weak to U-turn and tend to not get much coverage beyond grass and their secondary type, if they have one. Grass is a very resilient type that can also hit hard, but the type isn't great offensively because of how common steel and flying types can be
@@poppyfrancis7338 Yeah the current singles meta being so heavy on U-Turn spam means Grass types that dont have a secondary type that resists Bug will be having a shitty time, and that's also why like Meowscarada, Cacturn, and Wo-Chien are shit on so much too, a x4 weakness to Bug in this singles meta is basically a death sentence if you can't outspeed. I do wonder where Archaludon's at for the singles meta too, his typing is stupid defensive and a Stamina Body Press Assault Vest set should make him a threat to a lot of pokemon
I love the animation and text for the Fickle Beams sometimes. *Hydrapple used Fickle Beam* (The other four heads pop out, agreeing to destroying an OU meanace - Ogrepon Hearthflame) *HYDRAPPLE IS GOING ALL OUT FOR THIS ATTACK!*
I’ve been using eject pack recycle Draco meteor leaf storm hydrapple and it’s been nice. Being able to switch out and activate regenerator after throwing out a 130 base power stab move is nice. It’s like having 130 BP uturn on a good special attacking regenerator mon
I never saw dragon grass as that bad. It is 4x resistant to water and electric and resists ground type...3 really common attack types so you'll find a chance to switch it in. Maybe I'm crazy.
Competitive pokemon in general is crazy. They'll call anything bad as long as there's one feasible counter because everything good blows up and then people scramble to shut it down. Grass/dragon only has the glaring ice type issue, but even so I think the only ice type people even use these days is chein pao?? People call ice type "bad" a lot idk they can't make up their minds lmfao
@@King_KitsuneTBF alolan 9 ninetales is more so scary when its supporting other ice types, I think kyreum is much more of a problem for our grass dragon friend
In addition, with Hydrapple being able to pressure opponent's with Yawn, if they decide to not switch out to attempt to take out Hydrapple for good with a move like Ice Beam, or if they just are too attached to their super awesome Pokémon they spent 3 turns setting up, Hydrapple combos incredibly well with the newly unbanned Darkrai. This makes it so the sleeping Pokémon gets hit by Bad Dreams, and allows Darkrai a free Nasty Plot to go on a tear with it's amazing coverage. It won't work 100% of the time, but I think it definitely reinforces Hydrapple's viability, on top of Darkrai's to an extent.
Hydrapple is the overachieving sibling of the Applin line. Still salty they didn't even let the other ones become solo Syrupents or anything*. I WANT MY APPLE PIE TO BE VIABLE, GAMEFREAK!
I knew the assault vest set was gonna be fire, but tbh I went full on special wall with my Hydrapple pairing it with a physically defensive Toxapex forming a nasty regen core. I personally really like using infestation with my hydrapple as it allows switch initiative for the team.
I love the applin line, its my second favorite evo line (1st being the igglybuff line) and i love how it plays. It can be a offensive attacker with a nasty plot set, which is my personal favorite, or you could go for a more bulkier set with assault vest. Im currently using it on a sand team i made, and it works like a charm. (If any of you are curious, the team is Ttar, Excadrill, Moltres, Latias, Tentacruel, and Hydrapple)
@hux0rd the main one I use is water, it's a nice defensive typing that gets rid of hydrapple's biggest weakness, and it boosts the power of hydro pump. Tera fairy also works nicely
The helpful thing about “bad” types is that they are often unprepared for, leading them to be anti-meta. Grass is an excellent example- everyone knows by now how terrible it is to be resisted by 7 types, but its unique trait of both resisting and being super effective against Ground and Water, two very powerful and numerous types among other OU mons, gives it a solid niche and has made it one of the more popular tera types for some mons, ahead of many types that are “better” on paper due to its unique defensive synergy with certain types.
What I don’t get about this mon is that do many expected it to have a different type, like every single other mon of the line was grass/dragon, why did anyone expect something different. Also this kinda feels like the same situation that Tyranitar has, Tyranitar is good despite its bad typing not because of its typing.
Being double weak to ice, and weak to fairy and dragon while not being inmune to at least one status conditions is terrible for a defensive pokemon doesn't matter how you try to justify.
still a bit mad that the other applin evos didn’t also evolve into OP apple dragon. that would have been very cool but fickle beam is still an amazing name
I'm gonna miss Tera when its come, it may not have been the flashiest mechanic, but it seemed like one of the best competitive mechanic that was fair to everyone and gave a lot of Pokémon that would otherwise been hard to use viable defenses and surprise counters.
Eject button plus draco and leaf storm is my preferred way to use this thing. Off topic but dragon hammer should be distributed way more. Dragon claw doesn’t cut it anymore
🍎 If Hydrapple has a million fans, I'm one of them. If Hydrapple has 5 fans, I'm one of them. If Hydrapple has 1 fan, that's me. If Hydrapple has no fans, I'm no longer alive. If the world is against Hydrapple I'm against the entire world Till my last breath, I'll support Hydrapple.
can I ask why bug dragon is considered amazing over grass dragon? they're both about the same, bug dragon only has one less weakness and while it may have more resistances I think grass dragon's three 4x resisted to the elemental attacks is about equally as useful
Not 4 times weak to ice. Blizzard, ice beam and freeze- dry garentied to be on at least 3 of your opponents pokemon. Also taking half damage to fighting and ground moves as a nice bonus.
Second I saw Hydrapple, I wanted one. Hydras are a favourite of mine so having a Pokémon essentially be one, AND in an apple of all things, made me choose what my shiny Applin became. Caught it before Teal Mask but didn't want to evolve upon hearing Dipplin was going to evolve further. And Fickle Beam? Makes a fine place in my team as my Dragon member.
It's like Game Freak thought that dragons in the series were too powerful, so they made Falpple and Appletun as a way of making a more "balanced" dragon, only for them to be pretty much useless in anything but the lowest of low tiers. With Hydrapple, it's like the said "screw it," and went back to their philosophy of designing a dragon to feel like a mythical beast that you _earned._ For the record, I actually do like occasionally using Appletun for tera raids: modest nature, Thick Fat, 252 EVs in HP and SPA, Leftovers, Iron Defense, Grassy Terrain, Apple Acid, and Giga Drain makes for a fairly tanky boi. Thick Fat turns fire back into a resistance and helps keep Appletun from getting OHKO'd by throwing an ice cube at it. Iron Defense, Leftovers, and Grassy Terrain further increase longevity, while also helping your allies that aren't dependent on other specific terrains. Apple Acid is one of those S-Tier in Tera Raids moves for the often (especially in higher star raids) VITAL ability to lower one of the tera mon's defenses, while still being an attack, so it both charges your tera orb and applies it's effects through the everything-resistant, status move proof, f-off shield they hide behind when their health drops below a certain point. Giga Drain for a decently powerful grass attack that also heals you, which hits/heals even harder when the target has had it's special defense lowered a few stages by Apple Acid, which concurrently, also helps the other dedicated special attacks on your team. It's pretty fun, but that just goes to show Appleton's weakness; it shines the most when just fighting a single Pokemon, controlled by a computer, which you can plan around, fight with three other people, and not have five more Pokemon on reserve that it can replace pretty much whenever, one of which might have some ice cubes to throw at it.
Im not going to lie, as much as I would've loved it to be bug dragon thematically, its probably a worse type than grass dragon for what it wants to do. Being weak to rocks on a regenerator mon would have almost immediately forced boots on 99% of sets, and while removing its u-turn weakness is big it comes at the cost of a 4x resist to both volt switch and flip turn. Obviously the 4x ice weakness hurts but Hydrapple is thankfully tanky enough that most ice coverage won't OHKO it which to me means grass wins out just because it enables more set viability
cool video, but I have to ask - did you just flip the sides for the showdown replays? lmao its so weird to see the opponent (instead of you) being named "SubscribeToChompy" haha
While I am still a bit sad Hydrapple isnt bug/dragon (even if Flygon should had had that combo eons ago too) I am rather glad it managed to see sucess both in doubles and singles despite (and sometimes because) of its typing
GF is so good at making old Pokémon extremely obsolete. The existance of Obstagoon for Hoenn Zigzagoon, Overqwil for Qwilfish, the list goes on and now Appletun and Flapple are also reduced to dex entries... I wish GF would find a way to make cool new evolution lines WITHOUT completely discarding existing Pokémon... cus rn it just sucks to be Flapple fan knowing that Hydrapple is obviously so much better
Speaking of Apple bulk 😂 I remember using my Appltun in SwSh as a Charizard counter 😂 thing was beefy enough to just take the Dynamax hits and wait it out
To be fair, even my ninjas has tanked a hit or two from dynamic dens, even at level 100 it's just silly imagining a Kaiju failing to kill this goofy ass sword dancing bug 💀
I suppose is because of its 4× weakness to ice and bug dragon just being so cool on concept And Vgc wise bug's resistance to fighting on top of its existing grass and water resist helps it against both Urshifu and Ogerpon wellspring, the at the moment kingpins of VGC, as well as against iron hands, whose stabs get blocked by bug/dragon
As stated above, but here is the breakdown. Dragon/Grass has 6 weaknesses (Ice, Dragon, Flying, Poison, Bug and Fairy) with Ice being 4x damage. In exchange, it gets 3 quad resists in Grass, Water and Electric, while being resistant to Ground. Dragon/Bug has only 5 weaknesses (Flying, Dragon, Fairy, Ice and Rock). In exchange it now normally resists Fighting, Ground, Water and Electric while being quad weak to grass. You see, it loses a quad weakness, a normal weakness, and gains an extra resist. Sure, having 4x resists were nice, but Dragon/Bug still has those resists covered, but also gets a resist to fighting. Now just having good resists aren’t much depending on types, but I see the resistance against Fighting really good as it blanks Close Combat even better. It keeps its great defensive profile, while sacrificing almost nothing from Dragon/Grass. In singles, it is now neutral to U-Turn and doesn’t have a glaring weakness to Ice anymore. And while Bug isn’t the best offensive type, it often uses Fickle Beam anyway. Heck, it learns Pollen Puff as a Dripplin, so there is another niche for it to fill. Its kinda like how Cradily has such good defenses and how Grass/Steel and Bug/Steel are such great combos. The worst and best come together to fill in weaknesses and blank a lot.
Flapple evolution: Bombapple Base Stats: 75-115-85-100-65-100 (should be enough to be a actually fast and sweep under gravity, especially if scarved) Appletun evolution: Pietoise Base Stats: 115-95-90-110-90-40 (a bit better, makes Eviolite Appletun a thing, at the very least)
Once the meta settles, I think Hydrapple will be a UU mon maybe even RU. We’re not seeing a lot of Kyurem because of all the other new mons but I think Kyurem is going to be a staple soon and having to worry about freeze dry will kinda kill Tera water hydrapple. I wonder if other Tera types will maintain its viability but idk… once the dust settles and other old favorites regain their staple status, I just don’t see hydrapple staying as dominant. We’ll see tho! I’m no expert lol
Hydrapple doing well despite its typing reminds me of Tyranitar. Since the king has fallen from OU this gen perhaps this new mon can carry on his legacy.
Fickle beam is a good move but I do wish there was a really common good special dragon move like buffing dragon pulse by giving it a flinch effect or a burn
Hydrapples design makes me wonder if the punctured apple on its horn becomes a new home for Applin. And i wonder if that's what makes it the leader, maybe the other 6 just want to eat the apple lol.
Makes sense Hydrapples the best among the applin line sense it's the only third stage pokemon with third stage stats. Imagine if Appletun got a third stage. Maybe 'Piedra'?
The "on average 104" damage is misleading, as that's only relevant if you attack the same mon with fickle beam multiple types. It will still be an 80 power move 7/10ths of the time.
You could also run Recycle with a Lum berry to entirely negate the risk of status, which I’ve noticed hit it more than most Pokémon. If your Hydrapple gets Toxiced, there isn’t really much you can do
Imagine Scope Lens Hydrapple in double battle, getting Dragon Cheer buff from an ally meaning it will always crit and then it scores the doubled dmg from Fickle Beam (30% chance so its like burn from Scald or paralyze from from Discharge - it's gonna happen more often then you think, considering you may Terastalize defenively and recover to keep trying).
Hydrapple is a perfect example of what happens when there are barely any of the only Weakness that genuinely harms you and dozens of your three 4x Resists in a tier
Yeah kind of ironic that there is barely any Ice moves used in singles outside of like Ice Spinner or Triple Axel(just assuming TA is going to be one of the most used Ice moves not that it's a TM in ID). The whole Applin line seems to have a bit more free reign with the lower ammount of Ice type pokemon and moves in the meta
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 some Hydrapple sets can actually survive Ice Spinner from Great Tusk and destroy it with Giga Drain or Leaf Storm. Its nuts how bulky/offensive it is at the same time
@@drxavier1870 correct,Lando T doesnt beat Hydrapple in any defensive stat. Sure it has intimidate but loses regenerator and regenerator is more relevant in this meta
Can you crit with that 30% fickle beam chance? Bc with my luck I’ll miss a Draco and immediately get hit with a terra dragon crit double power fickle beam
I foresee many people rage quitting against people lucky enough to land multiple 160 Fickle Beams in a row, and the mental image is hilarious. Unless anyone does it to me. Fuck anyone who does it to me.
I am real bad at maths, but accounting for the 80% accuracy, doesn't fickle beam have an average base damage of 83.2? Since 1/5th of the time it does 0 damage. So over 100 uses, 30 will be boosted and 70 will be unboosted. But 6 of the 30 and 14 of the 70 will miss. Leaving you with ((24x160) + (56x80))/100 = 83.2. Right? I have no idea.
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Thank you for giving some love to my favorite new pokemon. It's so underestimate, but I think I found the best compromise set : mixed bulk. If you wanna give it a try and show it to more people, it's 252hp, 192def 64spdef calm nature, tera water, regenerator, Assault Vest, Giga Drain, Fickle Beam, Earth power And Draco meteor (or another move of your choice). I take time to calc it, so it can live dm from specs dragapult and kill with a roll fb or ohko with dm. It can win his dual against gholdengo, live ice spinner from tusk, take 2 sludge wave from booster energy moth, etc. It's so versatile, I love it. You can also use max def boots with reco as last move, or max spdef boots/av. Please give some love guys to this mon :)
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I appreciate that fickle beam has decent enough base power to not feel like a wasted turn when you dont get the 2x multiplier. kinda feels like fishing for crits.
But like. Gen 1 crits. With a 1/80 chance to super crit.
Can you crit AND get the X2 multiplier too?
It’s Dragon Pulse but better 30% of the time
@@bloomallcapsYes, though that's a 3/10*1/24 chance, making it a 1/80 chance as a good amount of comentaries points out
I'd compare it to Scald burns, they happen enough to make it worth using over higher power moves on some sets.
Fickle Beam is the mentality and idea of "FUCK IT! WE BALL!" made into a move. It is the single most hype move in the game when the homies show up for the Fickle Beam.
Something about Appletun and Flapple now, they don't stack up to Hydrapple because they have the stats of a middle evolution with Hydrapple having 55 more base stats. I hope the other apples get another evolution cause I love Appletun and want more apple dragons. It's crazy how many designs they've gotten out of the concept.
It id weird that they didn't give Flapple and Appletun evos with Dipplin, given all three share the same BST. Maybe we'll get even cooler amphithere and drake designs for their evos, maybe even adding those draconic species into their names like Hydrapple did.
The thought of a wyrm of an apple, of ALL things, winding up with an evolution tree of SEVEN pokemon sounds absolutely wild
I mean you can use eviolite which is a pretty big buff
@@deeznoots6241don't think you can evolite flapple or Appletun
Only Dipplin can benefit from Eviolite
Fickle beam is actually the funniest move ever I love it
Best move of all time
I beat a stall team on showdown because of the bonus effect. I was at +4 with nasty plot, and used fickle beam on a blissey. It did 40% the first time, and then 80%, deleting it.
It's got the funni 1/80 chance to super crit.
it's 1 worm firing a lazer but sometimes 4 out of its 6 other worm friends also want to fire a lazer lol.
Did you know Hydrapple is the first grass type non-legendary with a BST of 540 or above?
Brute Bonnet came before Hydrapple, and Paradox forms aren't classified as legendary (with the exception of Koraidon/Miraidon; even the Paradox forms of legendaries, such as Iron Leaves, aren't officially classified as legendary).
Though I suppose Paradox mons still fall into a special category similar to Legendaries.
@@bird_obsessionimo that’s like saying ultra beasts aren’t legends
Neither technically are legendary, but are considered a subset of them anyway
@@frozenbonkchoy4986 Huh, because most people I talk to agree Ultra Beasts aren't legendary.
And anyway, even if they're considered legendary by much of the fandom, that doesn't mean they are.
Like how many people will Pronounce Arceus as arseus instead of arkeus. Just because it's a popular way to say it doesn't make it correct.
@@bird_obsession you have a fair point, and depending on who’s POV we look through, I can see arguments for both of our sides. If looking strictly at what’s official, then you’d be correct. If we look at what I’ve seen the community agree on (which I very well may be wrong on btw, but whatever) then I could, in a sense be considered correct. However, I fully acknowledge that your position has a viewpoint that is more often correct than mine
If nothing else it's the first "regular" Grass type (i.e. one that isn't a Legendary or from a different universe or time line) with such a BST.
Fickle Beam is like a pseudo high-crit chance move that can also crit on top of that
Gamefreak should have made bug resist to fairy (like how fairy doesn't want to hurt forest animals). It would also make bug less horrible defensively.
bug is actually decent defensively, 2 of its 3 resistances are very common offensive types; tbh i think offensively is where it struggles more
Make bug strong against fairy! Icky gross bugs beat cute fairies, it would make everything and everyone happy
@@MelodyLuminait kinda sucks at both. Make bug do supereffective damage against fairy. nefs fairy, buffs bug. Perfect
@@NopeNope-mh4tyalso give grass a fairy resistance or immunity since “fairies don’t like hurting the forest”. Grass is a pretty darn awful defensive type with 3 extremely prominent weaknesses and an additional weakness to bug. I imagine that with increasingly common bug types grass would struggle a tad
@@itsturniptime3699actually thats something that makes sense, in some myths and legends bugs actually eat fairies
The thing about Grass/Dragon is that it has 3 quad resistances to Electric/Grass/Water and a very useful resistance to Ground that allows Hydrapple to come in on these hits more or less for free, and Hydrapple has the defensive stats to take a subsequent non-STAB coverage move (unless it's Ice). Grass/Dragon is by no means a *good* typing, but I wouldn't say it's outright terrible either.
I think that's largely due to how badly people percieve grass types, but that's because their biggest flaw is they are weak to U-turn and tend to not get much coverage beyond grass and their secondary type, if they have one. Grass is a very resilient type that can also hit hard, but the type isn't great offensively because of how common steel and flying types can be
@@poppyfrancis7338 Yeah the current singles meta being so heavy on U-Turn spam means Grass types that dont have a secondary type that resists Bug will be having a shitty time, and that's also why like Meowscarada, Cacturn, and Wo-Chien are shit on so much too, a x4 weakness to Bug in this singles meta is basically a death sentence if you can't outspeed.
I do wonder where Archaludon's at for the singles meta too, his typing is stupid defensive and a Stamina Body Press Assault Vest set should make him a threat to a lot of pokemon
Although to be fair meowscarada can outspeed use its own uturn and become a non bug weak type with protean
agreed the title pissed me off, 4x weakness = bad apparently lmao
@doozsromhacks to be fair it’s a quadruple weakness to Ice so it’s kinda bad, but yeah this is just overreacting
Actually happy the Applin line are being viable in OU rn
I love the animation and text for the Fickle Beams sometimes.
*Hydrapple used Fickle Beam*
(The other four heads pop out, agreeing to destroying an OU meanace - Ogrepon Hearthflame)
*HYDRAPPLE IS GOING ALL OUT FOR THIS ATTACK!*
I’ve been using eject pack recycle Draco meteor leaf storm hydrapple and it’s been nice. Being able to switch out and activate regenerator after throwing out a 130 base power stab move is nice. It’s like having 130 BP uturn on a good special attacking regenerator mon
I gave mine nasty plot and giga drain. turned it into a physical wall that can out heal even super effective damage after a turn of set up.
I never saw dragon grass as that bad. It is 4x resistant to water and electric and resists ground type...3 really common attack types so you'll find a chance to switch it in. Maybe I'm crazy.
Competitive pokemon in general is crazy. They'll call anything bad as long as there's one feasible counter because everything good blows up and then people scramble to shut it down.
Grass/dragon only has the glaring ice type issue, but even so I think the only ice type people even use these days is chein pao?? People call ice type "bad" a lot idk they can't make up their minds lmfao
Fairy, Dragon, X4 Ice, Bug (U-Turn), Flying, Poison
@@scp-phenomenon014a lot of the good ice types like Chien Pao and Bax are in Ubers atm, Alolan Ninetails could be a huge issue for it though
@@King_KitsuneTBF alolan 9 ninetales is more so scary when its supporting other ice types, I think kyreum is much more of a problem for our grass dragon friend
In addition, with Hydrapple being able to pressure opponent's with Yawn, if they decide to not switch out to attempt to take out Hydrapple for good with a move like Ice Beam, or if they just are too attached to their super awesome Pokémon they spent 3 turns setting up, Hydrapple combos incredibly well with the newly unbanned Darkrai. This makes it so the sleeping Pokémon gets hit by Bad Dreams, and allows Darkrai a free Nasty Plot to go on a tear with it's amazing coverage. It won't work 100% of the time, but I think it definitely reinforces Hydrapple's viability, on top of Darkrai's to an extent.
Hydrapple is the overachieving sibling of the Applin line. Still salty they didn't even let the other ones become solo Syrupents or anything*. I WANT MY APPLE PIE TO BE VIABLE, GAMEFREAK!
The middle head of hydrapple is like a responsible sibling always trying to get his siblings to get up and fight
How does it overcome the Typing issue?
My guess: Recover, Regenerator and Solid Defences?
Yep. That, and it's got a few really good quad resists so you can get switch-ins pretty easily, even if it's got a lot of weaknesses.
@@braxbro6674 that’s true. No need to rush Dipplin’s big bro to Nurse Joy.
I guess what they say about an apple a day is true huh?
You use appletun for thick fat, granting a fire resist and lowering the ice weakness to x2. Has good setup moves to work with too.
Can't describe how happy it makes me to see a variation of this stupid apple be good finally. I loved the goober ever since it was introduced
I knew the assault vest set was gonna be fire, but tbh I went full on special wall with my Hydrapple pairing it with a physically defensive Toxapex forming a nasty regen core. I personally really like using infestation with my hydrapple as it allows switch initiative for the team.
I love the applin line, its my second favorite evo line (1st being the igglybuff line) and i love how it plays. It can be a offensive attacker with a nasty plot set, which is my personal favorite, or you could go for a more bulkier set with assault vest. Im currently using it on a sand team i made, and it works like a charm.
(If any of you are curious, the team is Ttar, Excadrill, Moltres, Latias, Tentacruel, and Hydrapple)
What are the Tera Types if I may ask?
@hux0rd the main one I use is water, it's a nice defensive typing that gets rid of hydrapple's biggest weakness, and it boosts the power of hydro pump. Tera fairy also works nicely
really love the design on this one! the golden apple shiny is so clean
The helpful thing about “bad” types is that they are often unprepared for, leading them to be anti-meta. Grass is an excellent example- everyone knows by now how terrible it is to be resisted by 7 types, but its unique trait of both resisting and being super effective against Ground and Water, two very powerful and numerous types among other OU mons, gives it a solid niche and has made it one of the more popular tera types for some mons, ahead of many types that are “better” on paper due to its unique defensive synergy with certain types.
What I don’t get about this mon is that do many expected it to have a different type, like every single other mon of the line was grass/dragon, why did anyone expect something different. Also this kinda feels like the same situation that Tyranitar has, Tyranitar is good despite its bad typing not because of its typing.
I disagree in that I think the typing is just kinda average. That said, it’s definitely the weakest part of the package
Honestly Bug/Dragon, while interesting, is not that much better. Esp offensively
@@andreaseverin1346 Hell, I’d even argue Grass/Dragon is superior. Also, since when are snakes bugs lol
@@beanburrito4405having a stealth rock weakness is astronomically worse than a 4x ice weakness as well
Being double weak to ice, and weak to fairy and dragon while not being inmune to at least one status conditions is terrible for a defensive pokemon doesn't matter how you try to justify.
Just use tera steel and he becomes a great tank
still a bit mad that the other applin evos didn’t also evolve into OP apple dragon. that would have been very cool but fickle beam is still an amazing name
I'm gonna miss Tera when its come, it may not have been the flashiest mechanic, but it seemed like one of the best competitive mechanic that was fair to everyone and gave a lot of Pokémon that would otherwise been hard to use viable defenses and surprise counters.
Eject button plus draco and leaf storm is my preferred way to use this thing.
Off topic but dragon hammer should be distributed way more.
Dragon claw doesn’t cut it anymore
🍎 If Hydrapple has a million fans, I'm one of them.
If Hydrapple has 5 fans, I'm one of them.
If Hydrapple has 1 fan, that's me.
If Hydrapple has no fans, I'm no longer alive.
If the world is against Hydrapple I'm against the entire world
Till my last breath, I'll support Hydrapple.
That makes 2 of us
Hydrapple line are Wyrms not Worms, so no Bug type.
A Hydrapple a day keeps the noobs away
can I ask why bug dragon is considered amazing over grass dragon? they're both about the same, bug dragon only has one less weakness and while it may have more resistances I think grass dragon's three 4x resisted to the elemental attacks is about equally as useful
Not 4 times weak to ice. Blizzard, ice beam and freeze- dry garentied to be on at least 3 of your opponents pokemon. Also taking half damage to fighting and ground moves as a nice bonus.
Second I saw Hydrapple, I wanted one. Hydras are a favourite of mine so having a Pokémon essentially be one, AND in an apple of all things, made me choose what my shiny Applin became. Caught it before Teal Mask but didn't want to evolve upon hearing Dipplin was going to evolve further. And Fickle Beam? Makes a fine place in my team as my Dragon member.
It's like Game Freak thought that dragons in the series were too powerful, so they made Falpple and Appletun as a way of making a more "balanced" dragon, only for them to be pretty much useless in anything but the lowest of low tiers. With Hydrapple, it's like the said "screw it," and went back to their philosophy of designing a dragon to feel like a mythical beast that you _earned._
For the record, I actually do like occasionally using Appletun for tera raids: modest nature, Thick Fat, 252 EVs in HP and SPA, Leftovers, Iron Defense, Grassy Terrain, Apple Acid, and Giga Drain makes for a fairly tanky boi. Thick Fat turns fire back into a resistance and helps keep Appletun from getting OHKO'd by throwing an ice cube at it. Iron Defense, Leftovers, and Grassy Terrain further increase longevity, while also helping your allies that aren't dependent on other specific terrains. Apple Acid is one of those S-Tier in Tera Raids moves for the often (especially in higher star raids) VITAL ability to lower one of the tera mon's defenses, while still being an attack, so it both charges your tera orb and applies it's effects through the everything-resistant, status move proof, f-off shield they hide behind when their health drops below a certain point. Giga Drain for a decently powerful grass attack that also heals you, which hits/heals even harder when the target has had it's special defense lowered a few stages by Apple Acid, which concurrently, also helps the other dedicated special attacks on your team.
It's pretty fun, but that just goes to show Appleton's weakness; it shines the most when just fighting a single Pokemon, controlled by a computer, which you can plan around, fight with three other people, and not have five more Pokemon on reserve that it can replace pretty much whenever, one of which might have some ice cubes to throw at it.
Im not going to lie, as much as I would've loved it to be bug dragon thematically, its probably a worse type than grass dragon for what it wants to do.
Being weak to rocks on a regenerator mon would have almost immediately forced boots on 99% of sets, and while removing its u-turn weakness is big it comes at the cost of a 4x resist to both volt switch and flip turn. Obviously the 4x ice weakness hurts but Hydrapple is thankfully tanky enough that most ice coverage won't OHKO it which to me means grass wins out just because it enables more set viability
Apptun still gets my love regardless of it viability
It's simple, regenator.
That ability makes the good things about its typing shine.
cool video, but I have to ask - did you just flip the sides for the showdown replays? lmao
its so weird to see the opponent (instead of you) being named "SubscribeToChompy" haha
Nah nah Divinesoul has been my main for years, the Subtochompy is a fun account
Grass/Dragon is an amazing type.
I wonder how Greninja would have performed in today's meta if Battle Bond wasn't nerfed?
I havent evolved mine yet but I'm thinking of running it with Spiritomb on a trick room set. Her name is Dipsi. She is a good gorl
While I am still a bit sad Hydrapple isnt bug/dragon (even if Flygon should had had that combo eons ago too) I am rather glad it managed to see sucess both in doubles and singles despite (and sometimes because) of its typing
Who up fickling they beam⁉️
I’m starting to get the feeling that Japan has some cultural issues associating bugs with dragons.
GF is so good at making old Pokémon extremely obsolete. The existance of Obstagoon for Hoenn Zigzagoon, Overqwil for Qwilfish, the list goes on and now Appletun and Flapple are also reduced to dex entries... I wish GF would find a way to make cool new evolution lines WITHOUT completely discarding existing Pokémon... cus rn it just sucks to be Flapple fan knowing that Hydrapple is obviously so much better
UA-camrs never learn that begging for subs in the beginning of the video is a guaranteed way that people will never sub
Speaking of Apple bulk 😂 I remember using my Appltun in SwSh as a Charizard counter 😂 thing was beefy enough to just take the Dynamax hits and wait it out
To be fair, even my ninjas has tanked a hit or two from dynamic dens, even at level 100 it's just silly imagining a Kaiju failing to kill this goofy ass sword dancing bug 💀
Hydrapple would have been the dumbest bug-dragon type considering it’s cousins’ typing
So what ya saying is that both flapple and appletun should be evolutions/ stat buffs to keep up with hydrapple (over preforming dear)
Love Hydrapple design. Applin lines are some of my favorite Pokémon
Pretty neat that it overcomes its typing AND its speed
Bro I use Appletun a lot In competitive and maybe it’s cuz it’s not used a lot but I get some wins with it in my team. I love my lil apple dragon
Respect to you using Appletun whole the rest of us are trying Hydrapple
I love all of the evos, my personal favorite is appletun, I love using it, but for hydrapple, it just fits my playstyle more.
i don't understand why everyone thinks bug would be better than grass. grass isn't the best type by any means but it's godly compared to bug. 🍎
I suppose is because of its 4× weakness to ice and bug dragon just being so cool on concept
And Vgc wise bug's resistance to fighting on top of its existing grass and water resist helps it against both Urshifu and Ogerpon wellspring, the at the moment kingpins of VGC, as well as against iron hands, whose stabs get blocked by bug/dragon
As stated above, but here is the breakdown.
Dragon/Grass has 6 weaknesses (Ice, Dragon, Flying, Poison, Bug and Fairy) with Ice being 4x damage. In exchange, it gets 3 quad resists in Grass, Water and Electric, while being resistant to Ground.
Dragon/Bug has only 5 weaknesses (Flying, Dragon, Fairy, Ice and Rock). In exchange it now normally resists Fighting, Ground, Water and Electric while being quad weak to grass.
You see, it loses a quad weakness, a normal weakness, and gains an extra resist. Sure, having 4x resists were nice, but Dragon/Bug still has those resists covered, but also gets a resist to fighting.
Now just having good resists aren’t much depending on types, but I see the resistance against Fighting really good as it blanks Close Combat even better. It keeps its great defensive profile, while sacrificing almost nothing from Dragon/Grass. In singles, it is now neutral to U-Turn and doesn’t have a glaring weakness to Ice anymore.
And while Bug isn’t the best offensive type, it often uses Fickle Beam anyway. Heck, it learns Pollen Puff as a Dripplin, so there is another niche for it to fill.
Its kinda like how Cradily has such good defenses and how Grass/Steel and Bug/Steel are such great combos. The worst and best come together to fill in weaknesses and blank a lot.
My hydrapple managed to survive a blizzard (with an assault vest)
Flapple evolution: Bombapple
Base Stats: 75-115-85-100-65-100 (should be enough to be a actually fast and sweep under gravity, especially if scarved)
Appletun evolution: Pietoise
Base Stats: 115-95-90-110-90-40 (a bit better, makes Eviolite Appletun a thing, at the very least)
Once the meta settles, I think Hydrapple will be a UU mon maybe even RU. We’re not seeing a lot of Kyurem because of all the other new mons but I think Kyurem is going to be a staple soon and having to worry about freeze dry will kinda kill Tera water hydrapple. I wonder if other Tera types will maintain its viability but idk… once the dust settles and other old favorites regain their staple status, I just don’t see hydrapple staying as dominant. We’ll see tho! I’m no expert lol
Thick Fat was there on Appleton to try and boost it's typing issues but apparently that just wasn't enough.
Honestly I think that the two new evos pair really well in doubles
Hydrapple doing well despite its typing reminds me of Tyranitar. Since the king has fallen from OU this gen perhaps this new mon can carry on his legacy.
Fickle beam is a good move but I do wish there was a really common good special dragon move like buffing dragon pulse by giving it a flinch effect or a burn
"Long awaited evolution to the pokemon Dipplin", a pokemon that didn't exist 3 months ago.
Nice innovative original video reading a smogon forum from ur 2nd screen i hope one day i can hit 1285 rating and 50% gxe like you
Hydrapples design makes me wonder if the punctured apple on its horn becomes a new home for Applin.
And i wonder if that's what makes it the leader, maybe the other 6 just want to eat the apple lol.
Okay, something I've thought about is some how giving Hydrapple Serene Grace ability.
i wonder if you could run eject pack regenerator draco meteor
It's bulky enough to actually fish for Fickle beam, and regen makes that even more so
Makes sense Hydrapples the best among the applin line sense it's the only third stage pokemon with third stage stats. Imagine if Appletun got a third stage. Maybe 'Piedra'?
Hopefully we get changes or new evolutions to Flapple & Appletun that give them the same level of viability.
Hydrapple is my favorite dragon type right behind hydregion and dragapult
The "on average 104" damage is misleading, as that's only relevant if you attack the same mon with fickle beam multiple types. It will still be an 80 power move 7/10ths of the time.
You could also run Recycle with a Lum berry to entirely negate the risk of status, which I’ve noticed hit it more than most Pokémon. If your Hydrapple gets Toxiced, there isn’t really much you can do
This is perfect in Trick Room too
Lets goo! Hydra pokemons always are so cool
"long-awaited evolution" you mean 2 months
A combo of the funny move and New Toy syndrome
LO sets feel decent, you drop a draco or leaf storm with a LO and the switch to recover HP and reset the stat drops
I think that hydrapple will evetually drop down to UU, but it will be one of those mons who'll always be on one or two top teams in the meta.
Imagine Scope Lens Hydrapple in double battle, getting Dragon Cheer buff from an ally meaning it will always crit and then it scores the doubled dmg from Fickle Beam (30% chance so its like burn from Scald or paralyze from from Discharge - it's gonna happen more often then you think, considering you may Terastalize defenively and recover to keep trying).
Contrary Skill Swap Malamar is BY FAR Hydrapple's most desired tag team partner.
if only we had ficklebeam for shared power on pokemon showdown. Although I think sketchmons is still up, so Jirachi can use it
I love that they give this thing Regenerator.
how would yawn and syrup bomb synergize?
able to slow down their speed and further threaten them out w sleep. if they switch out, u can also either syrup bomb or yawn in a cycle almost
@@chompy_YT exciting
"Glowking is a pokemom with 4 common weaknesses in the tier" Shows him having 3 weaknesses
Hydrapple is a perfect example of what happens when there are barely any of the only Weakness that genuinely harms you and dozens of your three 4x Resists in a tier
Yeah kind of ironic that there is barely any Ice moves used in singles outside of like Ice Spinner or Triple Axel(just assuming TA is going to be one of the most used Ice moves not that it's a TM in ID). The whole Applin line seems to have a bit more free reign with the lower ammount of Ice type pokemon and moves in the meta
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 some Hydrapple sets can actually survive Ice Spinner from Great Tusk and destroy it with Giga Drain or Leaf Storm. Its nuts how bulky/offensive it is at the same time
no, landorus therian is. a pokemon being 4x weak to ice and being meta in ou has been common for a decade
@@Cayden.1 both Lando and Hydrapple are just built diffrent
@@drxavier1870 correct,Lando T doesnt beat Hydrapple in any defensive stat. Sure it has intimidate but loses regenerator and regenerator is more relevant in this meta
i love this silly dragon
Can you crit with that 30% fickle beam chance? Bc with my luck I’ll miss a Draco and immediately get hit with a terra dragon crit double power fickle beam
yes and it is very funny
God I need details for the team used on Showdown, I wanna try it out
I wonder how will this pokemon be at almost any ability with serene grace fickle beam
I foresee many people rage quitting against people lucky enough to land multiple 160 Fickle Beams in a row, and the mental image is hilarious. Unless anyone does it to me. Fuck anyone who does it to me.
roaring goon is hilarious
“The apple emoji”
You realize bug dragon would be worse right?
The idea of the typing is cool that’s all
@@chompy_YT maybe another Pokemon
It being bug dragon would just make it worse
Mainly offensively
At least bug dragon isnt 4x weak to ice
@@seongjaeoh8742 ye syrub bomb won't be stab then
@@chompy_YT but for a worm in an apple? there are so many better ideas for a bug dragon.
I am real bad at maths, but accounting for the 80% accuracy, doesn't fickle beam have an average base damage of 83.2? Since 1/5th of the time it does 0 damage.
So over 100 uses, 30 will be boosted and 70 will be unboosted. But 6 of the 30 and 14 of the 70 will miss.
Leaving you with ((24x160) + (56x80))/100 = 83.2. Right? I have no idea.
Fickle beam has 100% accuracy, so its just (80x0.7)+(160×0.3)=104
@@lanthatech Lol dang, I read the power twice and thought it was 80 power 80 acc, my b. What a banger of a move
I don’t see any other typing he could get, people were expecting Dragon Fairy and I guess if Florges is Fairy he could’ve gotten that doible typing
With double the power crit and stab fickle beam is cracked
140 • 1.5 • 1.5 = 315 bp move
A Hydrapple a day keeps *your enemies at bay*
Hydrapple would eventually drop to UU but inevitably get quickbanned to UUBL
I guess
Serene Grace Fickle Beam? Run it with Skill Swap Chansey?
The damage boost is not considered a secondary effect I think
@@sthui2866 :(
If it was bug dragon it would’ve been better although not by much. Niche defensive profile
Can't wait for hydrapple to get banned for his sins (being quite good against ghol and gambit)
Tusk carries ice spinner fairly often, I dont see how Hydrapple reliably walls Tusk on switch in