Does Your ‘Number’ Matter?
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I like men with relatively low body count. I feel they are more keen to get emotionally involved.
Based. You're right.
Same with women
somewhat makes sense if you're willing to look past their inexperience for other things
but it's still not the same for women. most women would not want to date a virgin ... most men would die to marry a virgin. men and women are different and men value purity far higher while women want a level of expertise and competency
@@vkdeen7570 Thank you for correcting the idiot with the "based" comment as well.
And you're 100% right man or woman the higher the body count the more your pair bonding is destroyed. This dude is a grifter trying to tell people what they want to hear
@connorpatterson3503 it is true, and the studies show it.... HOWEVER, the effect is much much smaller in men. likely due partly down to the differences in male and female bonding hormones released during coitus
a male with 5+ bodies slightly worse long-term relationship prospects
a woman with 5+ bodies massively worse prospects for long-term relationships
I get that a man doesn't want to be with someone who throws herself around but if that matters so much why do they get so mad when you won't sleep with them?
Could be various reasons from the men in question lying about their intentions to these women who expect enormously fancy dates which to me basically has some quasi-prostitution vibe.
you are right - men are being hypocritical
here is what I write in the comments section of youtubes aimed at men...
"I call "hypocrite"
okay, someone explain this to me... Ideally, men get to have all the sexual partners they want in the early part of their lives, but then when they want to get married, they want a virgin or very nearly so.
So what is actually happening here? Are we reserving a select crowd of women on the side for us to marry later on after we've sown our wild oats? what, do we all share the same ten whores so we can have this mythical body count?
ten? one hundred? one thousand? one hundred thousand?
what are the numbers that make this work?
how does it work exactly for the math to work out??
remember.. we are talking POPULATIONS here - mass quantities of individuals
not fantasy
not wishes
not Santa Claus, Easter bunny and fairy tales
make it make sense to me
#CallingYouOut"
what do you think about that nethakane??
Men want to sleep with women who give themself up but want to marry a virgin. So warped.
Well, if the man gets mad because he knows that woman had had tons of one-night-stands but with him she all of a sudden plays the holy virgin that wants to wait, I understand his rage.
@@24wallachianthen when is a man ever going to be satisfied?
It does matter, for me sex is a sacred energy exchange and i want my partner to hold the same belief. I don't want to be with someone who views sex as something casual.
I'll exchange some of my sacred energy for yours 🧢 lmao
Exactly! I feel the same way!
Good for you.
At least you got 1 thing right, what this video just said really has zero value and doesn't matter at all.
"Sacred energy exchange" this is some shit you'd hear from a permafried hippy
Well, I am a woman in my late 30s, and I couldn't remain with the man who had a lot of women. He spoke to me about at least 20-30 girls in his past, with names, photos, and stories. i don't know how many of them he didn't mention. He's been with his best frends ex, just because she wanted to hook-up, he's been with the women whose names he even doesn't know. It looked like he was ready to have sex with anyone who was accessible at this moment. Even if i knew that it was in his past, at his early 20s, I left. Does bodycount mattets? In my case i thought one day why would i remain with a man who never said NO? His YES has 0 value. So I think maybe men sometimes think from this perspective, althought i think it's kinda red flag when someone asks your bodycount and it's definitely red flag when someone tells you about all his exes, hook-ups etc. especially when you didn't ask.
Girl he's been with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than that
@@scorpiocara6798 certainly
I understand how you feel and tbh it doesn’t feel me with confidence. I’m a person who aims to live that hookup lifestyle in my late 20s since I had personal issues and responsibilities to deal with in my early 20s. So, I guess I’m meant to just die alone since most woman don’t wanna marry someone older in his 30s and someone who did the casual sex lifestyle.
@CarrieTraversie 100% agree. I think that someone may have quite "colorful " past, the thing that really matters is what the person wants now, on the same time promiscuous behavior might often reflect a superficial personality with superficial relationships (which could change of course) or be related to a personality disorder, which will never get better, in case of my ex it looked like NPD. I didn't remain longtime with him, but now I pay more attention to the man's past, I think I would clearly choose a man of my age who has been with 1 or 2 women over someone who's been with 30. But of course everyone is different and shoukd live his/her life as he/she wants it without being shamed.
@the1stmetalhead I truly believe that people may change, get more mature. The only thing that matters is who you are today and what you want now. You don't have to feel ashamed for the lifestyle you lived. Maybe not to be proud, but it's not only white and black you know. Don't get stuck in your past, don't bring it to your relationships, live in your present, be who you want to be and you'll find the good person. Good luck!
I kinda feel bad turning 26 not having any relationship, worse question is what's my body count😅😅 I don't think I'd like having memories of me having sex aside from my husband or the chosen love of my life. I mean I could but what for? Is it bad if I wanted it reserved to my ideal family or spouse? I mean I'm doing it for my idealized family. I know it doesn't make me any less of a person to do it but again I wanted it for my idealized family or for the future me who ends up having family..
Why can't a women even honestly say they are a virgin anymore?
Also there are alot of modern women with zero relationship and yet have slept with a number of men in hookup.
So have you had sex w/o any relationship? And if any women have done so many times, won't that be something that would be easy for you todo later having done so in the past before? This is why the number of virgins in a marriage who have cheated are way lower than non virgins, habits and being familiar is predictive when hard times comes, and the do come in all relationships.
@@patrickmcfly3264 I guess because having sex has been a common phenomenon. People do it casually. There are ways for "safe sex." Hence being a virgin would be associated to being religious, a prude/naive, or probably an asexual with little to no libido.🤦♀️ Again, the availability of "safe sex" contributed to the norm of casual sex to a point being a virgin is odd or not normal. "There must be something wrong"-- that would be the idea thrown at someone who's a virgin..
Based. Such a good way to think
My husband said to me on our wedding night - thank you for waiting for me ❤
@@kolibaba9507 Stop. Second time you've said that something is "based", when it's NOT.
As an older man I am more concerned about women who are promiscuous outside of a relationship. I want to know about how many relationships they've had and how long they lasted.
That's wonderful.
Absolutely.
That makes perfectly sense.
The reason many are behind the body count is because those with a high number have been usually promiscuous or had sex without a relationship.
Well, I wouldn’t ask a man about his “body count” so I wouldn’t expect him to ask me. And if he did, I would kindly tell him that is none of his business and his past is also none of my business. Boundaries, ladies, boundaries. And if he didn’t like it, well it is what it is. He goes his way and I go mine.
We have to remember that everyone has a past that makes them who they are today. I would not disclose my past on that level with anyone. This is part of my secret garden.
Lmaoooooo “stay away from Reddit” is pretty sound love advice 💀💀 Thanks, Bro ✌🏼✌🏼
Reddit users scoff at the idea of couple having having a five year age difference but consider polyamoury normal. Ofc said couple could have the xses but certainly no relationship. These people are mentally-ill.
That place and twitter is a hellhole for any dating advice. They criticize everything.
This is non sense. r/marriage is a great sub with smart people. You have to know where to find good information.
I am a man and I care about body count and no I am not a hypocrite. I am in my 30s and have never had a sexual relationship, I cannot relate to people who have had hundreds of relationships. I want to be with a person that I can get along with and is similar to me. The differences in life experiences between men and a women with a high body count are astronomical. The reason why I do not want to be with a women with a high body count is the same reason most women give for wanting a man with there same education level. If you have a bachelors degree and want to be with a partner who also has one because you think they will have similar life experience and similar knowledge base then that is effectively the same thing as being a man with a low body count and wanting a women with one to because he thinks they have had similar life experiences and similar knowledge of sex. George Cloony did not ask because his body count is higher then any man alive so he does not care what hers is.
Based
Then perhaps for you, even my low number at 47 years and only 6 of them married would appear high. But I would find it ridiculous if anyone ever asked at this point and made it a thing, knowing only two weren't from within a relationship and even the couple one timers I didn't know that's all it would be. Communication would have helped there. And in considering relationship, there are so many other important variables than simply that factor, while I would never indulge another that took it all so casually.
the older you get, the more rare a woman like that gets.
My concern is the habits the person has been exposed to, and if I'm expected to do things that I wouldn't be willing to. That is a must-have conversation before you take the wrong train.
Of course the number matters. Anyone who goes around "hoeing it up" male or female has very obvious deep-seated psychological issues (insecurity, need for validation etc) and should be avoided if you're looking for a healthy long-term partner.
Hello Garvin
It's you who have "very obvious deep-seated psy issues". Mind your own business, buddy.
Even if it was in the past ?
"I'm a grown-up woman, I've been around. I'm not an 18-year-old." ... The irony is that I'm 38 and my body count is probably lower than the one of many 18-year-olds.
Exactly
If you're 38 you're too old to be caring about body counts.
@@Candy4Panda lies that's nasty
Speak for yourself
@@Candy4Panda I don't understand. What do you mean?
@@24wallachian It's an immature thing to care about. The older you get the more likely it is that you have a past and you have to accept that fact. That's the point of the video.
There is hard data supporting the more partners, the less ability to stay committed in a relationship. It sounds like you’re just calming her fears and tailoring to the feminist market than acknowledging the truth.
Moral men who have low body counts absolutely care. It’s not insecurity, it’s wisdom.
In my experience, all the women i dated with a promiscuous past were more difficult and could hardly connect in a profound way. The less body count the more caring, sensitive and loving. My experience only.
Actually there has been research on pair bonding showing the more sexual partners a woman has, the harder it will be for them to pair bond with a man later on. Something to do with their bodies releasing less of a certain hormone during sex.
So that being said I'm confident a lot more men have found that what you have witnessed, they have as well.
@@richarddimeck4578I call bs on this, does it only affect women as men in general have orders of magnitudes higher body counts than women do , do we not have this pair bonding hormone or does this conveniently just affect women
@@marksilla8276no yall can't bond either....that's y yall body count so high. That's obvious
@@marksilla8276 it's almost as if there are differences between men and women!!! Who would have ever thought that?!?!?! WOW!!!!!! To answer your question the same study was done with men. You would be very interested to look it up and find out the results.
@@richarddimeck4578Gonna need evidence for that.
When a man says he has slept with 300 women is sleezy. Same with women.
Who cares
@@Starsteam1 I DO!!!!
@@bumblebee_ms Why?
@@Starsteam1WHY NOT!
@@bumblebee_ms There's nothing wrong with it
Guy here, I used to care about body count, now I don't at all. What's changed is I'm less misogynistic and I'm not insecure anymore. That's literally all it comes down to. Girls - jealous guys are the worst, if you know you’re a good person and have the capacity to commit, don't let a guy shame you cause you honestly you've done nothing wrong!
Having a high body count is unattractive that’s all it comes down to
Oh this old chestnut. Yeah it's not really the "what" is all about the "how." I've met women who were absolute dirtbags about how many they had slept with, and women who were class acts. Did you notice that the actual number isn't in that sentence? Because the number isn't the part that matters. It's all about how you communicate and take responsibility for your choices, whatever they have been.
THIS
This is the nuance the video is missing. The number is unimportant, the who and how are much bigger tellers.
Does Your ‘Number’ Matter? YES of course, and there are scientific studies to prove it
Based
Can you cite these scientific studies?
@@Candy4Panda The more sexual partners or relationships someone had before marriage the more likely for it to fail.
You can google it - very accessible studies.
It's quite logical.
Sex binds to a person and the more people you bond with the more meaningless & less effective it becomes.
Which makes the failure of the next relationship more likely.
@@ZhiyingHarp Here, gentlemen, we have a case of copium
Man or woman, the fewer sexual partners you have, the less emotional baggage you tend to have. Having numerous sexual partners does not necessarily make someone a better lover. Esp if it's just casual sex w different ppl w moves learned from porn. It takes time to learn one person's body and the emotional foreplay women usually need to be aroused. It also takes more discipline to say no than yes. Having a history doesn't mean life is over, but the western world has become hypersexualized and that has consequences. Music, TV/film, social media, porn, hookup culture. It promotes pleasure and distraction over truly getting to know ppl for compatibly. With more sexual partners it can be harder to form emotional attachments, easier to compare them to past partners, and easier to justify breaking up rather than choosing commit to one person. Many ppl want partners to fill internal voids that they themselves often created. Dating has become more transactional w ppl focusing what they can get upfront instead of what they can give.
The issue is with a man that has a high body count is that you don't know if and when kids will turn up in his life wanting to know who their Dad is. Plenty of women have got married and years later found out he's got kid(s) popping out of the blue ❤ xxxx
So body count _does_ matter after all, then?
@@hippyjason it does for sure, no one would prefer a partner who slept with everyone else in the world rather than someone who never had sex.
Plenty of men have married women and raised children just to find out the child wasn't his years latter. This works both ways. Promiscuity does not just end magically with marriage, people don't change.
If you're getting "surprised" like that, you're NOT asking the RIGHT questions. Choose better.
@@unmorcipan Wrong, Randall. Yes it matters, but in a different way. Women preselect mates based on the on the choices of the sisterhood.
If women find him of quality (by choosing or dating him), then the man is instantly treated as such by other women. He's proven, through these OTHER women, that he is a quality man.
OR THEY WOULDN'T BE WITH HIM.
In other words, the higher the body count for men, the more resources, vetting, and experience they offer to women
It's why men report getting hit on more, when they're in relationships, versus not.
As proof, does Chris Brown have ANY shortage of women at his disposal?
And they ALL know, he has a high body count, right?
Body count is NOT the SAME for MEN.
Big cope
How does this guy have almost 3 Mil subs? He's clueless!
he says what people (mostly women) want to hear and that attracts subs.
Thats the reason why, he appeals to 304s and simps
This video is maximum cope.
Can't improve the lives of your clients if you don't tell them the truth.
He selling feel good advice not the uncomfortable truth
ladies and gentlemen body count does mater. Pair bonding matters if you wanna get married and have kids in the future
Go to fresh in fit with this, I’d love to see that conversation
I spent 10 hours yesterday arguing on Reddit that sexual body count doesn’t matter, and now I’m wondering if maybe it really DOES matter
I spent 10 hours on Reddit yesterday arguing that body count doesn’t matter, and then I changed my tune when I thought of my teenage cousins trying to date in this over sexualized world and thought of them not being able to find boyfriends or girlfriends because of how sex-obsessed everybody is and how obsessed people are with body count and thought of them being pressured into having sex when they aren’t ready or don’t want to have it. Idk… maybe in a way body count DOES matter, for BOTH sexes/genders
i've never been asked this question but i also never understood why you would answer this shit anyways
Refusing to answer questions when getting to know someone is a good way to never get to know anyone.
@@lomotil3370damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I’ve learnt from my past, so why would I want someone else to throw shit in my face when that’s what they choose to focus on. Who I am today, my values, my core beliefs and so on is far more important and we all take different journeys to get there. That’s just part of understanding that all people have baggage, and being humble enough to acknowledge we all learn in different ways.
@@MyToasterIsBrokeni totally agree with you !
You don't owe anyone anything ,the past is the past. I am not even going to answer that question if a guy ask me that. I would not ask that question either.
In my culture we don’t have this topic to worry about. Almost everyone is a virgin if not married. If you are not a virgin, then you are married or divorced. Body count is unheard of because sex is not practiced outside of marriage. I came across this term maybe 4 months ago, and I thought it was related to weight.
That's very interesting, what culture are you a part of?
You don’t know that, just cause they have the same culture doesnt mean they will all follow the rules
@@elliot5640
The Middle East, specifically the Arabian Gulf region.
@@lilian5215
It is the norm here because it is part of our religion. It is strictly expected of both genders to remain virgin until marriage. But if someone wants to do something secretly, then it’s their problem. The point is, we don’t worry about this issue because the cultural and religious norm is not to have sex before marriage.
I look at it like this . This question is someones opinion and personal preference. . If body count matters to you , ask, if you dont like the answer you get move on
If you like the answer see where the relationship goes. Its all personal preference. Its really that simple. Period.
I think the lifestyle of a woman who has a high body count matters more. As in a 304 would be out partying every week and I definitely wouldn’t wanna surround myself with a woman like that for long term relationship. Maybe for a hookup yes.
But if you would be willing to have a shallow hook-up with her, isn't it hypocritical to claim that women should have a low body-count? Aren't you co-creating the hook-up culture by actively participating in it?
@@24wallachian Not at all. Not every one wants the same thing. Not every women should be in long term relationships. Its only hypocritical if you have the insane belief that every women wants or should end up in a long term relationship.
@@treeforged9097 Yes, of course not every woman wants to be in a long-term relationship. But overwhelming majority of them do. Most of women who sleep around deep inside want to be in a long-term, loving relationship. So if you participate in the hook-up culture, you are misusing their misery.
304? Yo, even 5+ is high imo.
Either you had 5+ relationships and all falied (which is concerning)
Or you had hook ups (which is even more concerning)
@@24wallachian maybe you're right ma'am, maybe I am adding to the problem by doing that. But one single fact about human civilization is we all are hypocrites. Also the last statement was just an example. The chances of that happening IRL are zero to none.
Body cound does not need to be talked about. Lots of time when a relationship goes bad . Your sexual past gets thrown in your face. what you did with your body before you met them is your business, unless it puts them and you at risk.
Well said
If you have a guy you would consider going back to, it puts that man at risk.
If you have been pumped and dump so many times, and you kept falling for the minority of predatorial men, and now you struggle too trust and pair-bond, it puts the man at risk.
If you have many men and a reputation with sleeping with a 1/2 the football team, or had a train ran on you by a few men in 1 night, and that gets exposed after you are in a relationship with a good men, that could destroy his life once word gets out that his women has entertain a train of other man sexually, his peace of mind and his self esteem can be severely affected, in many places his credibility can be ruined, in some businesses and with some clients, they will stop dealing with him, so it puts the man at risk.
So when a women is promiscuous in the past, she is literally putting her future man at risk.
@@patrickmcfly3264not everything is about the man you do realise that. Why doesn’t his past matter? Because we live in a society of double standards. Men get praised and women get shamed when it takes 2 people to tango. Every religion basically says no fornication it doesn’t specify women ONLY but once again no one cares if men do. So let’s stop the cap and focus on the real issue, the inequality of the sexes in a predominantly patriarchal society.
@@thang92 Jesus Christ said if you look at a women with lust in your heart you have committed adultery and the punishment for adultery is stoning to death. Not only do men get shamed for premarital sex, they also get shamed for masturbation. You just don't care about when men get persecuted. The only double standard that exist in the scenario your talking about is that you personally only care when women are shamed and you don't care about the huge amount of shame that is imposed on men.
Wrong. The more partners you had the more likely your next relationship will fail.
Or worse - if you had hook ups: don't even wanna get into a relationship with you.
Many men understand this & think the same
That question is a massive red flag to me. Run away!! either he is a narcissist wanting to destroy your self-esteem or a person who is going to impose his way of understanding life, in no case a good company
I love what you said!
Unless they have been living under a rock and haven’t experienced anything else …..(totally sure if that was your exact word but the concept!)
Look up "retroactive jealousy" and how to deal with it. It's a counter perspective and is more solution oriented rather than situation oriented. The comments section to those videos offer differing perspectives.
George!
Body count?
This is Bad Boys For Life.
Matt is a hypocrite. You can find another video of him saying the complete opposite. He is just saying this now so he get those ladies to buy his courses
I love your wisdom Matt!🙏🙏🙏🙏
I had to Google. George is 63. His wife is 46. They've been married 10 years this year.
A man has the right to be bothered by that if he has been with less ppl than I did.
No he doesn't have the right to be bothered. If his ego would crumble because you beat his body count by one he's a boy not a man.
He has the right to be bothered in the same way we are all entitled to feel how we feel. He does not have the right to make that your problem though.
@@Candy4Panda You don't get to decide what other people have a "right" to be bothered by. Having a different belief / opinion has nothing tot do with masculinity or maturity. It's childish to use degrading insult instead of arguments. Act like a reasonable adult and discuss things without demeaning those you disagree with.
@@hungrymusicwolf you know what's childish and degrading? To treat a partner as if they have less worth just because they slept with some arbitrary number of people in the past
@@Candy4Panda You can whine and complain all you want, but you don't get to decide what others value nor what's right and wrong.
Also, just because you deny the problems with body count doesn't make them magically disappear.
"treat a partner as if they have less worth just because they slept with some arbitrary number of people in the past"
- and you'd value your partner less if they held opinions like the one you're so upset about here.
People value different things. If you can't respect that then you're acting like a child that has yet to learn that your beliefs are no more valuable than that of others.
You don't get to dismiss others right to have preferences to soothe your own feelings.
I do not like this narrative that associates sex with intellectual or emotional development. Speaking as someone who has only been with one person, it aggravates me when people extrapolate all sorts of ridiculous conclusions based on my low count.
And I say that as someone who was a former sexual health peer educator.
Hello Matthew I am girl from India I am 29 years old I had 3 serious relationships one was for 5 years one for 3 which ended before wedding and currently, I am with a person or I was with a person as we broke up yesterday as he was accusing me of cheating just because I had some past I liked somebody but within 2 months I understood that I don't want to go further and I stepped back and my current partner didn't know about that he got to no through my old msg and on the basis of that he accused me of cheating and started asking me about my body count
You guys should seek individual therapy as well as counselling if you can.
If
You should tell him about this.
If someone has had 1, 2 mabye 3 partners before - fine, happens that the relationship doesn't work out.
But if someone has a body count of 5+ it means that 5+ relationships failed (which is concerning)
Or that they had "casual" sex (which is even more concerining)
There is an intrinsic value to intimicy. And anyone who just gives it away devalues themselve.
Or they were raped or sexually pressured. You never know why someone may have a higher body count or lower. That’s why we shouldn’t judge.
@@alyssandrawu4147 You've got a point
But how many times did they get raped?
That's insane
@@kolibaba9507 Some girls are sex trafficked into this country. Making their numbers extremely high. Are we going to then say those victims have no right to become a mother or a loving wife because they were forced into prostitution? I think the story behind body count matters much more than the actual number itself. Like a woman who has slept with only 3 men, but two of them were from affairs, says a lot more about that woman than a woman who slept with 5 guys while single and well into her 30s.
@@alyssandrawu4147 which shithole do you live in? The exception is NOT the rule.
I was a virgin till 29. Now I am 37 and had 5 ppl I've slept with. Think it's fine. Not gonna expand the body count though.
I’m 30 and have had 5 sexual partners between March 22, 2022 at age 28 and now. Yeah I was a virgin until 28. Now I have been with my Boyfriend for 8 months.
I spend waaay too much time on Reddit reading and arguing about this crap.
Body count will stop mattering for men the day height, status and wealth stops mattering for women
I didn't care about his past until he started comparing me. That's when I developed a complex. I became hyperparanoid about men who had a high count bc of the incessant comparisons.
I didnt want to subject myself to that again.
Sounds like u have inner healing work to do to get over that insecurity
@cheesewithxbread. Your ex comparing you to his ex is a big red flag 🚩. It is not normal behavior based on all the relationships I’ve had. In general, no one should be talking about their exes to their current partner. I used to do that and my psychologist taught me this was a big no-no, so I stopped.
I guess Matthew Hussey doesn't really understand the decision to stay a virgin. He says: "The wish for a virgin is someone who knows themselves a little less and even if you are a virgin watching this, you're going to know yourself better as you have sexual experiences, and that's going to make it more clear what you want...." Hmm. There are sooooo many reasons to save sex for marriage, especially nowadays when guys use women for sex. 70% of the heartbreak of women would evaporate if they didn't sleep with guys so early in the process.
Matthew Hussey is right and as long as you remain a virgin you’ll never find out that he’s right. With each relationship you engage in, you learn something about yourself far more than you learn about others. I’m not trying to talk you out of your celibacy or virginity. When I was a teenager and still a virgin, older non-virgin girls at school told me it’s super important to choose my first carefully because my first sexual experience will color every experience afterwards. I followed that advice and very carefully picked out to whom I gifted my virginity. It was definitely sage advice and started me on a healthy sexual journey.
I love Matthew, but this take is horrible. There is definitely a number that matters to everyone. If you do care and you aren’t being a hypocrite, then the number should be in the range of your own number. It’s called having personal boundaries. It’s also a major red flag for mental problems that will show up in your relationship.
Idk. I find people with crazy high count tend to have poor decision making skills, and were more challenging to appease.
Is this the club I join to only date 21yr olds for the rest of my life?!!
How do get out and date? I am carer to vulnerable adult and can't get out. I ve been on every single dating app and I keep finding friends. My friends don't go out and when I do I feel too old ar 52 years young.😅 men my own age I don't feel attractive. I have in my head old relationship it was a good and I find myself daydreaming about cuddles and spending time together. It didn't work out and that's that. But I miss male company not sex I am not interested in it.
King of SIMPs
George Clooney is 61
Thank you
I'm a man, been with 3 women. Don't think I'm a hypocrite if I'm wary of a woman who's been with 20+ men 😂.
My now ex wife had been with 9 men before me she said, while I was her first. I don't think that was a very good match.
What's her character? That's what really matters doesn't matter if it's 1 or 19. If her character is bad at 1 body count or 19 body counts its the same answer
@@evanhiggins7298women change with the number of sexual partners they have. People can spin this anyway they want to but it’s just like anything else in life. The more experience you gain with something, it cultivates your character and your perception of things. Whether it’s good or bad. In my experience, the more partners the worse the character.
@@evanhiggins7298 If her character was any good it would not be 19. This means 19 men did not want to stay around.
@levismirnoff5450 that might be the case. But it's up to you to decide and not looking at an assumption. Character is destiny
@@evanhiggins7298 Someone who is that indiscriminate with intimacy is inherently low value.
Yes your number does indeed matter. Women lie about it anyways and say its low when its usually not.
I don't need to lie....I can count all of mine on less than one hand. I'm not ashamed
Now if it was higher than that I'd be ashamed
@@scorpiocara6798 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 congrats you aren't like 99% of women out here. There's nothing wrong with feeling shame it means you know you f'd up. That's also something women usually lie about.
@@qwertpoo1 cap?
Yes they do lie about it and honesly men lie about it too
Yes if my body count was high i wouldnt even randomly say it bcz I'd be ashamed n I don't like lying so I wouldn't even say anything at all
@@scorpiocara6798 alright I believe you congrats for being a diamond in the rough. Doesn't make what I said any less true. But men don't lie about body count I'll tell you right now I've slept with 15 women in my day. No shame no cap. Men don't lie about it nearly as much as women when asked
So don't men lie about their body count as well?
Wise man, thks.
Women produce a lot of oxytocin after sex/orgasm. In women this causes them to bond with their partner. Men make oxytocin but in very small amounts and for them, it is not a bonding hormone. For men, vassopressin is the bonding hormone and that is released during times of stress.
The more partners a woman has had, the less oxytocin she produces after sex. This means it is more difficult for her to bond with her partner.
So yes, body count matters.
THIS 👆 & FEW MODERN WOMEN WILL EVER TRULY UNDERSTAND THIS!
Why? Because feminism, the gynocracy, western laws supporting women at the demise of man, and media shaming of men have created an entitle generation of Modern Feministic Modern Women who believe in satisfying Me, Myself, and I first and no longer believing in putting their Family and man first. [And any women who said they did put their Chad, Tyron, Pokie, and Ray-ray first didn't put those men first by choice and maturity, they put them 1st only because they were forced to by fear of losing attention and validation, and out of fear of rejection]
Few modern women want to struggle with their man, they don't want a men who is still haven't had any success, so they will never go through tough times with their man, and allow their man to form and bond with them for deep long term commitment.
As man we can shout this and say this as many times as we want, but no modern women will every accept or seek to stick it out during the hard times with their man.
This is what no fault marriage pushed by unfair laws have lead to, a generation of women who will move on to better things the moment their man loses a job, faces hardship, gets depressed, or when they start doing better, get better degrees, and they feel the temptation of not holding out better man, and not allowing and helping their existing good man to rough it out, and keep pushing [aka stress] to become better. So they will never have a loyal man, because they no longer seek the conditions that will assure they get 1.
It has been 3 generation of stupid selfish feminista, what's the likely hood there will be a 4th after this?
There is no studies finding that women have lower oxytocin after multiple partners - and trust me, they've searched!
I call bullsh*t. I can assure you based on personal experiences that men with high counts bounce from person to person with little ability to bond
@@cheesewithxbread U can call bullshit as much as you want, but you totally missed his point and the the video
A man has near zero bonding w/o vassopressin, virgin males may or may not express both hormones in their 1st few sexual encouters but we will have strong bonding notions when a women shares that with us.
I very happy for you to stay ignorant so do not watch these scientific link that us men are generously sharing w your bs ignorant attitude:
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@@cheesewithxbread Reading comprehension failure.
i dont want STDs bruh of course it matters
Some VLEF ENTP guy asked me my number and then he said he needs to add 10 because I am in my 30s 🤔😏 i was like uhh i don't think i have room in my schedule for that 🥴
I can count all of mine on less than one hand.
? that would mean 0
Mathew, please can you go on some of those awful 'redpill' podcasts and talk about this
Matthew is so articulate,he would wipe the floor with those guys on these toxic misogynistoc podcasts.
Awful redpill ? Redpill idea is the most healthy idea ever , when encountering the majority of 304's out there
@@synx7874 you refer to women as 304's. That's not healthy and I think that's all the information we need from you to decide.
@@francescarb it is. It gives me the peace of mind i require. Ive been single as a matter of fact for 5 years and counting , yes indeed it gets f-ing lonely at times but its better this way. I can never trust a girl ever again , and thats okay i guess. Working on myself , job , gym , hanging out with friends and yes , i also have a few girl friends and we go out from time to time , nothing more than that. Celibate and alone most of the time. It is what it is. I dont think blackpill is healthy , nor is red pill to be honest , but its better this way. So have a nice day miss , and enjoy the free attention and validation from.men for free , simply because you're a woman. Cheers 🙃
@@synx7874 The best thing you can do is to continue to work on yourself and I'm glad you seem to be doing that, it's the only thing we truly control. Yes, life is hard but remember people are attracted to good energy, even subconsciously. I also just got rejected by a guy I liked a few days ago, so it's tough out here for everyone in some shape or form. Good luck to you sir and don't get sucked into the rabbit hole of Reddit forums
My red flag is when someone asks “what’s your body count”. Yuck. If there’s one simple thing I’ve learnt in dating it’s that those who mind, don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.
Those who don’t mind are prob 304s like yourself so you’re good.
It does, and people are tored of pretending it doesnt to applease dirty people.
ladies.. do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Men should not be deceived either!
Amen
Hmm...you forgot the rest of it-
"And such were some of you, but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God"
So don't be deceived- Jesus loves and forgives all. Judge not lest thee be judged yourself.
Typical Christian...
@sendy_wendy That's if you are redeemable by your own free will and God's grace. Those sins are very hard to get out of. It's better to avoid them. They do have consequences.
OFCOURSE a guy isn't going to open up a conversation, with a woman who he already had to work for to get to a date, by asking her what her bodycount is (assuming he's looking for a LTR). Men know how alot of women will respond to that question lol. He will blow his chances immediately with the vast majority of women, or they will simply lie about the number anyway. Even if their number is very low, most women will see it as a red flag. And that is all without mentioning there's a big chance he will get exposed and named and shamed for it on the internet, because that's the society we live in these days. Men are not allowed to have standards.
His example of George Clooney is flawed, because Clooney is a top 1% man. Hell, he's like top 0,01%. He's in godtier. Every single woman desires him. So therefor he's the one who has the leverage and can pick and choose. He can have sex with whoever and as much as he wants, thus the chances are his bodycount is higher than any of the women he's dated or at the very least it's similar.
Most men want a woman who's less experienced than himself before they consider them viable for a LTR/marriage. JUST like most woman want the opposite, they want a man to have more experience than themselves (not just sex btw).
I recommend to have that conversation before you committ to becoming exclusive.
Trying to be exclusive with a (former) hoe is a waste of your time and energy.
@@YouD0ntSay Yes absolutely IF the guy is looking for a LTR as well.
Also good that you bring that up, about (former) h03s. A lot women think they can become a 'born again virgin' and stay celibate until she finds the right man OR is married. While they have ranked up numbers in their past. That's absolutely delusional. You can't magically take bodies away, it stays forever.
Hello James
What about women with 300+ bodies? They are not capable of forming long term deep relationships. They ditch at the first sign of trouble rather than trying to find a solution.
Even 300+? Even 5+ is questionable
@@kolibaba9507 Personally I have had sex with 2 people in my life. No way I am going to get with anyone with more than 20.
5+ at what age? If someone is 30 that's like one person every two years since they were 20. That's not a lot of people.
@@Candy4Panda That's a little different for everybody. There is no strict red line. I'd say 5 or 6 at 30 would be okay for me but it shouldn't be more.
I matched with a girl on bumble last week and one of her first questions was "what's my body count? And that she wants to keep her body count low". After chatting more I started to get the feel where she's immature. Lol
Body count does matter. This is not to say that it should be judged, but it can be used to know the woman you are interested in. A woman who has had 10 long-term relationships is often seen as more desirable than a woman who has had 50 casual sexual partners at 25 through the so-called "Ho* phase". This is because a high body count is a sign of promiscuity and a lack of self-respect, which are undesirable traits.
Not always true. There are people who mature over time. I have a woman friend with a high body count from her youth but she matured in her 30s and began living a peaceful, spiritual and celibate life. Numbers are not everything. if you think that her number matter, you lose the gem that she is./ Look at the person in her present state, not her past. The past does not always tell you who she is as a person today. / which also means to say that a man who uses her "body count" to judge her present state probably doesn't realise that that people can change , so he is probably a man who is not into personal growth. That makes him not an ideal partner for women who value personal growth. Men who are interested in personal growth knows that the past does not really matter and they focus on understanding the people in the present state, because they know people may grow, mature and transform into better people.
@@ZhiyingHarp 100%
@@ZhiyingHarp You see, it's an age-old story, many people get into relationships believing their partners will change. In reality though, it doesn't happen often. Especially in today's climate where promiscuity is celebrated. Does it happen? of course it does, but as much as you think. Many women change dramatically after being with many partners and pair bonding with them is harder . Men change as well, but not in the same way. this is because, it is more biological than anything else. Women were not designed to have so many partners. Women get pregnant by one man during pregnancy, but a man can impregnate many women at the same time. I'm not here to convince you or anyone else, I actually believe in equality. However, what women fail to understand is equality does not mean we are the same. You don't have go far to see the ramification of this attitude, over 50% divorce rate, 80% of which are initiated by women. Personal growth etc. does not make biology go away. Are there exceptions, yes there are. However it is not large enough to make a dent on the stats. I am not here to make women feel bad. If some women see that they've been through this, then be honest with your potential partner. As much as women have standards in choosing a partner, the man has standards as well and, believe it or not, many men do not want their partners to have a promiscuous past. Why do you think many men go abroad to find a wife? Which I don't approve of.
Well if it's a 40 y.o man and he had 10+ it's a bit of too much. If he is 60+, it's maybe okay
I'm 39 years old and i never engage myslef into premarital sex. Most men i've met was kinda shocked how come i'm still virgin at my age. It's kinda weird now a days if you're mid 30's and still a virgin. I think men don't care if you're virgin or not anymore. It seems to me that they prefer a woman who has more experiences than me😅.
Sexual experience has no value when choosing someone to spend the rest of your life with. It absolutely doesn't matter to.man, as long as he can expect the woman to enjoy and want the intimacy, and develop it in the relationship.
With s woman aged 39, I would ask myself if I'm heading for a sexless relationship. Something no man wants.
But even more important is the question why you never were able to form a long-term relationship with anyone, and why I, of all people, should be able to change that, or will I just waste a lot of time and effort?
A 39yo woman had almost a quarter of a century to find a sweetheart.
@@YouD0ntSay yeah assuming all she's been doing is looking. Honestly, I'm 34 never had serious relationships cause guess what, when my classmates were fooling around I was working and provided for myself since I was 18. Have I had no chance of meeting someone? No, but just didn't feel right. Examples married men, much older men, those who were interested to gain something from me like rent free apartment and so on. Doesn't make me an 'unable' or something.
I guess that's a real problem with today's values that men would shame a 39 years old virgin, yet then complain they engaged with a girl that's been sexually 'looking for someone' for a quarter of a century and now can't get pregnant cause she had 10 abortions or something. And I'm not judging anyone here. But if that's what you're into, it's your life. Just don't reply this way to people that actually have principles in their life.
No-one knows, how many people you sleep with unless YOU provide them with your private information. Once you do that...you are allowing them to put a label on your self-conscious. By doing this can back fire on your self-esteem. Leaving you to question.."if you are worthy"
If anyone is that disrespectful to ask you about your body count, just simply say... that is my personal business that I rather not discuss. If they choose to get defensive, it's because you crushed their ego. They are showing you they have no problems disrespecting you and being defensive due to their insecurities. Instead of thinking are you worthy, you should be thinking are they worthy for you. Ciao..and best of luck. 😇
A man who knows how to get information indirectly won't have to ask you directly what your count is. Women have standards. Men have standards. What are these standards rooted in? It SHOULD be something that applies to them both equally. If it ain't, it's useless.
What if the standards are rooted in something that applies equally?
Amazing! Thank you!!❤
No one goes around and asks that directly (hopefully!)
But at some point when you get to know each other and each others past you get to know that as well.
If I'd get such a response at that point, this means bye
Exactly. Asking this is disrespectful big time. Never ask, time will tell.
@@teeve1500 yeah, it’s just weird to ask. Still relevant to know how their past looks like if you go into a relationship with them
As a man - I think most older men would find it odd if a 30+ woman was a virgin, that could be a red flag. OTOH a low to moderate body count is a positive attribute. Take that as you will.
Insulting
It is not a red flag.From my observation,some women have some kind of trauma or have never met the special guy they want to lose their vir*ginity to.There are a lot of late bloomers.Your comment is immature and lacks empathy.
@@sisi3565 What is insulting?
@@Wonderwoman79G ok but in dating I need to look out for my own best interest.
@@Wonderwoman79G I have trauma myself from a bad childhood. It's definitely a red flag, which does not mean Instant discard, but something to be wary of.
How can I ask mathew a direct question? Because I’d love to ask a strange question about this guy I’m dating. I like him so much and he has shown that he likes me too but still hasn’t said anything because we’ve only gone out on two dates now and we’ve only been talking for 2 weeks or smthng the thing is he never asks me about personal stuff or anything about me in general. Which is strange. Does it mean he’s not interested in me or what? Because if He’s not interested then why is he talking to me everyday and wants to go out with me? And if he does like me why isn’t he asking me any personal questions about me or doesn’t want to get to know me
lol. oh wow. apparently a man today can't be friend with a woman. no wonder, most men are avoiding women. tsk tsk tsk
okay I'm going to be 100% real with u, its still early but if a guy isn't asking u any deep or personal questions at all... then it's likely he she's u as casual or just looking for something casablanca at the moment. I'm guessing u've not doing anything sexual yet either, he's into u and chasing but likely at this moment doesn't see u as gf or wife material.
I know that after several weeks I know if the girl gf or wife material and then I ask important questions and watch habits to see what kind of gf she'd make
Its kinda harmful to just say that its so much of a diverse market that its effectively a non issue.
Also sadden to see that you call men "evolved" if they dont have this concern is poor framing. You can force someones valid concerns to be invalid. This was very motivational, but slightly off course.
"evolved" lmfao that's crazy. Men always will care about past present and future sexual access to other men. Past actions predict future performance. All in all it is a case by case basis, and sometimes dangerous to generalize but lots of male friends hanging around or a promiscuous past are some of the biggest red flags
Also I think you meant "can't force"
Thank u so much sir, VERY NICE VIDEO, ❤❤❤
Can't fight a guy mind...they always want to win.
Thank you 🙏🏻
What’s the point asking if she can just lie and say ‘you’re me first, baby’. A man just gonna look stupid and insecure. Better focus on present and future rather than past
I have never and will never tell anyone my number. It’s no one’s business.
It's _that_ high, huh?
It's the business of the man that you want an LTR with.
100+ and it's none of your business...
Well, that's all a man has to know.
The phrase "It's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway" exists for a reason.
i dont get it
@@unmorcipan It's a joke about high mileage 🐱.
no, because what you're referencing has to do with how often they've had sex.
But, it's the opposite to what you're assuming. The FEWER the partners, the MORE times she will have had sex, because when people are in committed relationships, they have more sex. In a committed relationship, you have sex several times a week or daily vs a single woman will have it only when she dates someone for a while. Just do the math. People in a committed, exclusive relationship have more sex (unless they're a prostitute), as long as they have partnered with people with a similar libido.
@cbh2409 You missed the _real_ message of the joke. I can't tell if it's because you just naturally missed it, or if it's because you are _intentionally_ avoiding it, but the result is still the same; you haven't grasped it yet. Also, quit mansplaining.
Thanks Matt
7:26 This is the first time I disagree with Matt. There's no hypocrisy for the man who fits the criteria he has for the woman he considers marrying. And THAT'S the issue here: women allow themselves to get treated like objects because weak men desire sex from them, and they're FOOLISH enough to give it to them and allow themselves to get held to these men's standards
How about women don't understand that we only we only get respected if we hold off? What's that got to do with respect anyway? I always thought you show the man you're not prude and you're truly interested as opposed to use them for meals out etc alongside they can show me how they would treat me as a boyfriend but they always left. It was never about having fun but about finding a husband. I never understood it until late 30s with the help of the internet! So don't blame women. Men are the users.
@@alexandrabackhaus-if4gm Who are you blaming for the fact, as you say, that "Women don't understand that we only get respected if we hold off?"
I think you mean "hold out"
@alexandrabackhaus-if4gm From a respectful man's respect, I won't use you for sex because I consider sex sacred to the marriage bed.
@@alexandrabackhaus-if4gm I don't know why they always left, but I'm sure you can look back and see whether or not they are worthy men today
@alexandrabackhaus-if4gm Yes, it's men's fault. HOWEVER, It's a woman's responsibility to take care of herself.
I have a saying, "weak men begat weak women." It's a man's job to lead. That goes for fathers raising their boys and girls. That also goes for the boys who become men and seek a relationship with a woman. Hopefully, you're not only thriving but also involved in a joyful and fruitful relationship
The Clooney example was not it. His wife comes from an Arab background, and Arabs are more conservative , aka they don’t sleep around that much. It’s a cultural thing related to their « honor »
We need to protect young women from repeating the same mistakes of older women in our current culture. You’ve been lied to, and this man is lying to you to protect his bottom line. Body count matters, and for most men, it will matter. And anticipate to have to walk him through your past at some point. If he’s genuinely interested in you, he will want to know. It will cross every man’s mind leading up to the committed relationship and if you aren’t comfortable sharing your past, don’t create one to begin with.
Back when I dated, every time a man asked me the number, I replied with some outlandish number like 4,567... oh, wait... with you, 4,568. Then I told them it was none of their damn business.
Of course it's their business, just as their past is your business.
@@lomotil3370 You should not ask but rather read what they communicate you. The above answer tells you she is highly disagreeable so really it does not matter at all what her answer is because no matter how high or low it is she will just be a source of problems for you anyway.
Fellas if she answers like this you don’t need a number. She’s for the streets of rip.
Yep everyday that let's a high body count get in the way of loving someone especially men with women is just superficial and basic that is just a lower evolved and asleep person. I'm 35 and most of the guys I have dated or been in a relationship are in their 40s or late 30's since I've been 19 and in my 20's especially after my divorce men in my 20's just couldn't relate to me or what I went through in life they were too self centered and into putting themselves first to the extreme where they were such a narcissists they didn't want to take care of another person in a deep emotional way.
Yet you're still single, after two dozen men💀😂😂
BusStop Actor with Marilyn🖤❤exactly sounds true
Am I the first one ??
The problem of your wishful thinking are statistics. Look at the data. On the other hand, I think if you want a relationship nowadays you should approach it in the way you explain it here. 30% of success though. Worth the risk, up to you?
What data?
As a guy i can confidently say ladies: Do not care about that silly number. Whattever happened in the past is the past and you are just as valuable after sex as you are before sex no matter the ammount. Care about your appearance though! That is the number 1 thing i personaly search for in a human to classify them as a woman first and foremost. A woman that doesn't care at all about her femininity, feeling beautiful or body shape is just as unflattering as a guy that can't get up.
Soo, you're honestly trying to tell us that there is absolutely _no_ difference between a women who's hooked up with 2 dudes, and a woman who's hooked up with 102 dudes? Come on, stop simping.
@@hippyjason Precisely. If you had a weird past for reasons but now is trying to be your best version and enter in a genuine love, it doesn't matter those 20+ dudes. Now, if you still eat a dick per breakfast than it isn't much of a past is it?
@@hippyjason Reality is: we don't control everything. myself had 9 official girlfriends and way more non-official experiences but not because i'm a party-boy. It's tough to find love out there man, and when we are young, we are dumb and insecure.
@@oponomo I notice you didn't answer my very specific question.
Also a reality: If you know what her number is, you can make an informed decision about whether or not you hook up with her. Otherwise, you're just playing a slightly different version of russian roulette.
@@hippyjason Son, women are not your enemy. It's ok, you deserve love too. I'm not american and here we don't ask anyone how many people they slept with. it's just not a thing.
Anyone who doesn't think the number of people slept with can have a negative impact on that person's mind is on some serious copium.
It's very simple. Most men can separate feelings from sex while most women can't. Sex is a very intimate act for women particularly because they're being penetrated. They are allowing someone into their body. And most want to believe that if a man wants to have sex with them, it's because they're special when, in fact, for most, it's simply because they're available. Harsh, but true. When that realization dawns on them, it messes up their head and they're probably going to take that pain and anger when they try to obtain a relationship.
Then there's the fact that people value what is rare and desired. Even if we're talking about an incredibly attractive women who's gotten around, most men would have sex with her but that's all. No long-term commitment. Think back to high-school, we all know a few of those girls that 'got around'. They were used as a 'pin-cushion'; guys would come(sp) and go but they never seemed to have a stable relationship. Guys didn't want them because accepting such a woman brought their own perceived value down. 'Oh, hey man. You're with Becky? LOL you're gonna have fun with her; she's a freak. What? She won't do _that_ with you? Ooph, that's weird but whatever.' Fact is, men and women are different and a because women can obtain sex very easily, they're looked down on if they've 'gotten around'. Because it's more difficult for men to find(attractive women, if he's been with a lot of unattractive women, it hurts him) women who will have sex with them, a guy tends to appear to have _more_ value because women wonder what it is about him that makes him so attractive to these other women and want it as well. They essentially want to poach that 'high-value' man for themselves because of the social appearance of value.
Whether it's because they tried to 'buy' attention and affection with their body or they just thought having fun is all that matters, the result is the same. Pretending someone with a high body-count shouldn't worry about it is doing a massive disservice to the people affected because it ignores one half of the equation. Nobody has to like it but this is how most men are.
If you're someone that's been with a lot of people and you've changed, *hide that shit.* Cement that 'new' you as who you've always been and treat the guy you're with like he's the only one that's ever been and make damn sure you don't interact with the guys that came before.
People can change, but that doesn't mean everyone around you will believe you've changed. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
this is according to you, women can also separate feelings from sex, it's not a magical thing and both men and women can get attached after having sex, it's not gender specific and it usually just has more to do with what you feel for the other person before the act than the act itself
Best comment in the section hands down 🤙
@@marksilla8276 This is according to evolutionary psychology. And I see why you have difficulty understanding, you missed(or ignored) that I said *most,* not all. Read it again but this time, with full understanding.
Men and women are not the same and experience life differently because of it. Don't have to like it, but you can't change it, no matter how hard certain groups try to get men to change because they don't like reality.
It all about the woman's behaviour.
Can you find a girl who has a high body count but displays the behaviours a man looks for in the mother of his children/wife?, Yes. But is it less likely? Yes.
A girls behaviour is influenced by her experiences. Would a girl with 50 bodies behave differently to the same girl who only had 5, yes. But trying to convince a girl that she would be different is impossible without an alternative universe, to be able to show her herself but as the girl that lived without her sexual past. For a girl to argue she would be the same person with the same behaviour towards men even if she had a different sex life is laugable.
Lol
We should encourage young women to preserve themselves rather than do whatever you want, and hope someone accepts it in the end. Personally, it’s highly unlikely I would be willing to give a woman anymore than the least she’s already accepted.I wouldn’t be willing to wait for a woman that’s already been had by others, but I would be willing to wait for a woman who is chaste/discipline and hasn’t already accepted less than what she’s currently asking me for. That’s why you should preserve yourself until marriage.🤷♂️ Because you can’t demand more with an extensive history of accepting less.
The number only matters if you’ve picked up “souvenirs” at every destination, and refuse to check…
🐇🐇🐇
No it doesn’t matter. Their current character and lifestyle matter. Those things take time to build and reflect their present values of who’ve they’ve become
What a bad ass video this was. While everything was true, there was a few things missed - but one was big! If you study the reasons why all these guys all over the internet say they want virgins, yes sometimes they say "ew gross you've had that many D***s in you?" Okay, sure, they say that sometimes, and that's entirely hypocritical, who may also start spewing bullshit about pair bonding. Almost always, however, they talk about *baggage*. How after all those failed relationships, "what is that girl now like?" She's jaded, entitled, angry... That is what you will see "high value" guys say. So to break it down, high value guys that aren't using this narrative as a coping mechanism are really saying that behavior that stems from a history of negative experiences is the problem, not the body count itself. The body count is just the red flag for the behavior.