@@mimetypeFender Japan made something different with Aerodyne guitars and basses. Nobody wanted them and they were sold at 50% discount, cheaper than Mexican made guitars, that look like regular “boring fender”.
@Ry_Valz I find the tele colours ugly but the Strat colours cool. I've seen the brown one in person and it looks a lot better than it does in the video.
i would get the sassafras one not for the tone, but because the color's great and it's fun to say sassafras! also I don't think I've ever heard of an electric guitar made out of sassafras, so that's pretty cool too.
This spruce is actually the same spruce as Stradivari used in his stringed instruments. This spruce was reclaimed from storm damage from several years ago during COVID. See the Custom Shop "Violinmaster".
It would be nice to see some modern color/hardware variations instead of the same ones we've had for years. Black or gold hardware, block inlays, multi color pickguards, I don't know, just saying lol. Love Captain and Pete jamming and demoing anything.
Pete my man…I have long said that you are the “vibeyest” most in the pocket guitarist I know of….I have to say that Lee is right at your heels now…Lee…your technical progression has been a joy to watch, but I really must acknowledge that your feel has progressed beyond your technical ability….you are an absolute joy to listen to. Anybody can learn to be technically proficient…but only a musician can do what you do!!
Lovely sounding and guitars are just guitars! If you’re happy with your choice it’s all that matters! Tonewood is silly. Not as silly as you two though!! Enjoy the videos as always!!🎉 The Justin Timberlake Strat 😂😂😂
I was having a good laugh at the Timberlake signature model joke, but then I realized we live in a world where Machine Gun Kelly got two signature models at once! So I figure we’ll being seeing something like a Timberlake model soon. 😂
Not a fan of MGK, but he is definitely helping dragging some people into the rock n roll culture... I bet some kids grabbed a guitar for the first time because of him...
I don’t listen to players about tonewood. In blind tests they often fail to pick the pickups or guitar. Luthiers, recording techs, and guitar techs will tell you it’s the strings & bridge. In electric guitars there are few variables until the signal hits the speaker. The speaker has nearly all of your tone. Choose your speakers wisely.
Yeah, to my ear, the speaker, the order of the pre-amp, various eq circuits and power amp stages in your amp, and the pickup placement are what make the big differences
The same wood gives different tones too. The weight and grain can't be identical in a natural material. The magnitude of that tonal difference in a solid body is fairly insignificant.
Sure. What else makes difference: different examples of the same wood; current humidity; humidity in the shop, where guitar was built; strings (including their age, wear and environment, where they were stored after opening the package); same pickups can vary in tone as well; pods and caps also don’t exactly match their nominal values, which will affect tone; pickup heights; frets material, heights and wear; action; bridge and nut material; pick guard material, shape and thickness; guitar finish and wear; is guitar played hanging on strap or resting on lap; pick material, thickness and wear; nails/no nails if playing with fingers, etc. And I didn’t even started to talk about where guitar is plugged in, where real difference is happening. And guitars are usually played by humans, who also aren’t very reliable in repeating exactly the same fretting/picking motion. Discussing difference in tone introduced by body material of solid body electric guitar has roughly the same value as discussing tone difference between using new and old well-used pick: it is there, but there is not much value in it. Unless you are selling some “magical old-formula cellulose pre-broken-in picks” that “definitely make a difference, but you simply cannot hear it through the youtube compression” for $20 a piece.
Not so much frequencie wise, there are most likely more tolerance difference on the electronics than we would like, but we don’t know without them being checket besides string tension, action, relief and the distance between poles and strings. With everything matched a null test will tell how much it matters.
This is the year for Stratocaster fans. I can't believe how much new stuff is out there that I want NOW! I only have 14 guitars. Now they show me another 10 I've never seen before!
Also because the maple is not tinted. On the higher priced models the maple gets an amber tint to represent maple that was exposed to sunlight for some years.
Yep, the Sass has more bass punch, and maybe less 1~3kHz. It makes sense because Spruce is softer and lighter than the harder grain areas of the Sass, but doesn't have the softer pore streaks that allow for more midrange damping. I prefer the Sass. The pine Tele seems to lack some bass, but there's a really nice airy quality.
I hear some of you. Fender this, Fender that. Fender ain't this, Fender ain't that, but let me tell you this!!! I'm not losing anything through my Home Audio System!!! I'm hearing the demo the way Lee and Pete are hearing the tones. With that being said...THOSE GUITARS (ALL 3), SOUNDED ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!! Especially in a mix!!! PS: Trogly polished a small section of the Mocha one, and IT LOOKED KILLER!!!
Technically, you aren't hearing it as they did. It's been through editing, rendering compression, and youtube compression. You would have to have access to the raw audio recordings, and even then, that would have been colored by the mics and such. You would have had to be there to hear it exactly as they did.
@@calvinevans6347 Why the aggression dude? Just saying it's literally impossible to hear it as they did due to youtube compression, doesnt matter if your speaker system cost a million dollars. Lee even mentions it. It may sound good, but some quality is lost before it even gets to youtube. The audio in the video is a lower quality version of what they recorded.
I don't know who came up with the word "tonewood".... its just "wood", and whilst I do believe that different woods can have a small impact on the sound of an electric guitar, I don't think there are certain types of wood that can be classed as "tone woods". There are hard woods & soft woods, light woods & heavy woods, and there will be woods that are more approriate for instrunent making than others... but I'm not sure what a "tone wood" is & I wish we'd stop using the term!!
It has yet to be shown that wood has any impact at all in an electric guitar's sound. If you're hearing a difference in sound, there are so many other factors to consider first (even between guitars of the same make and model).
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard tbh they are playing in a room. What I want would like them to do is record the different guitars with the same amp, mic, and speakers. But ofc that will not sell guitars so I understand why they won't.
Nothing wrong with the word Tonewood, it is more the context in which it is used. Acoustic instruments do sound quite different depending on the trees used, solid body electrical guitars too if the pickups are build to pick it up, but that also means that they do have microphonic properties which might make them unsuitable from a certain amount of gain. One of the more interesting experiments I discovered recently was with such an pickup installed on the back of the guitar, with the right wiring that may work in most situations. High gain levels will still add diminishing returns, probably enough for the tree used not to matter at all. Much better value to have some good EQ’s in the signal chain when it comes to frequency and attack, for sustain a compressor set to only add more sustain will do. There is probably some pedal that can do the work for resonance/body too. In reality everything on acoustic instruments can be considered as “Tonewood”, even the back of an Ovation, doesn’t sound worse, just different.
I've trained and worked as a joiner and different timbers absolutely do sound different but not to a silly extent. A well made guitar with good materials will sound good. I've got a Squire Classic Vibe Telecaster that's so well made and if it was made with slightly better timber it would sound brilliant but it's a very good instrument. They do make a difference when used in the right manner but it's absolutely not the be all and end all.
I heard that Fender stopped using pine in the early days because it was often getting chewed up by the the tools (routers, drills, etc.). So they switched to ash, because it was more durable and easier to work.
Just an FYI note: North America has several types of Pine trees that grow sufficiently large for lumer/timbre. Most are relatiely soft but with consistant grain and texture (White, Ponderosa, etc). We also have varieties of Yellow Pine that have alternating hard and soft growth rings making them more difficult to work/tool for musical instruments, but great for wooden structures. (No judgement here for musical qualities.) 🤓
@@schaerfentiefe1967 You are right. The strings vibrate the wood which in turn affects the vibration of the strings which is read as tone by the pickups. If wood made no difference you could put expensive pickups on a $200 guitar and it will sound like a custom shop guitar. Or an SG would sound just the same as a Les Paul.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries There is hardly any difference in the tolerance in two guitars with the same electronics. Even if one of the pots has 10k missing, you wouldn't be able to hear it. The difference in brightness from the first Strat to the second would be like if someone took a 250k pot and jumped it to 500k, and then upgraded the capacitor.
I build my Telecasters and Esquires out of Pine. I don't know that it sounds different or better or worse. I use it #1 because it is cheap and #2 because it is light weight.
Pickups, pots, resistors, etc. all have tolerances even if they're supposedly the same winding, resistance, etc. The minimal sound differences you may be hearing are far more likely related to that than to wood suddenly becoming magnetic.
Pickup heights, string heights, string age, variation in the players picking velocity. There's even more variables if you're comparing across two separate guitars.
I have a Charvel with sassafras and it is noticeable in the weight that it is lighter than the ash that it simulates in tone. Few guitars are made with that wood and I personally like it because it looks like ash.
Tonewoods for acoustics matter ~90+%. Tonewoods for electrics matter ~10+% That's my layperson, non-luthier, multi decade guitar playing conclusion and the one that makes the most logical sense to me. Guitars, like most things, can be looked at as a holistic system. Acoustic guitars, due to their relative simplicity in terms of components and for how they generate sound is highly impacted by the wood materials. Electric guitars, due to their much higher complexity in terms of components as compared to acoustics and for how they generate sound is very lightly impacted by wood materials. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. XD All due respect to Mr. PRS....
Under that 10% 7%is about the neck fretboard material 2%neck fatness 1% the joint type to design whether it has vintage stratitis sound or modern dead but focus sound
@@nova848 Yeah, obviously those figures came out of my butt, but they certainly represent my position on this topic overall, at least after multiple decades of hacking away on guitar. I just think this kind of distinction is really what is missing in this hysterical "tonewood" debate. It's all a question of degree how much the wood matters as well as for acoustics vs. electric guitars. Cheers!
@@joesatchton212 not really about tonewood but in this video ua-cam.com/video/R2rDZTeh5ig/v-deo.htmlsi=Fmj2bGIT3TaKGfUs about 7 mins that change in sound very significant just want to share
The difference in the pot values due to manufacturing is gonna be bigger than the wood difference. If even in a cab the material matters not, then for sure not in an electric guitar lul
@@void_snw sure thing buddy. I'll assume you can't tell the difference between a clarinet and saxophone. In optics we have a saying, if you* can't tell the difference go with the less expensive option. Other people can tell the difference. I'm sure a cab made from Styrofoam could sound cool for an effect, but it's not going to sound the same. Not at all
Can't speak to whether it seems to have a particular tonal difference, but I do own a pine body Telecaster and it is easily the lightest Tele I have ever owned if not the lightest electric guitar I have ever owned for those who are into light guitars
True North American pine is very soft, sappy, and hard to find in blanks big enough to work with that doesn’t have knots. Pine also has a tendency to curl as it ages.
Saying wood doesn’t matter in a guitar is like saying that tyres don’t matter on a racecar. Saying it makes a big difference is like saying that all the speed of the car comes from the tyres
You guys should make a video where you go to the back of the store (parking lot), strip a guitars finish and refinish in nitro. I’d be curious to see how well you guys do…
What's the story on Lee's amp that's "built into the board?" He said "go watch a previous video about that" but I can't seem to find what he's talking about. Looks like a Victory V4 Duchess, but with no foot guardrail?
Much less in a Strat than most other guitars. Maple or rosewood board will make a little difference, but at the body end you are mainly getting the sound of a sprung metal bridge,and what that is attached to is already one step removed from your primary sound source
I dont know if the difference is the wood or just other factors - but those strats did sound a little bit different - Im using Dynaudio Studio monitors...
With so many variables that can contribute to a sound, how can you be certain that it is just one variable and not some other variable or a combination of variables?
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboardfender make guitar with different wood. Guitars sound different. That’s all I need to know. Like they said, go into the store and try a few out and find the one you like :)
I’m here to engage in ~tonewood discourse~ by telling everyone it does effect tone, just not as much as people pay for. THE REAL GOOD THING about this series? These woods are far more sustainable and can be sourced more easily. That matters too. Feel good about where your Git came from.
I had one of these before I bought my cs strat. These are SOOO good for the money! What I loved about it was the fact that they have jumbo frets - just in case that's your cup of tea, too :)
Weird cause there are dozens of these turds on the wall across the street at GC that they can't sell cause they have defects, awful pickups and ridiculously high action.
To my ears, different woods don't make that much difference with solid body guitars. The type of pickup, amp and pedals are far more important to the overall sound of a guitar. Tonewoods have more of an effect on acoustic guitars in my experience.
I believe tonewood only matters for acoustic guitars and not for electric guitars. I don't care what wood an electric guitar has as long as I like the look of it. I have heard electric guitars made out of different materials that sounded good and it was because I liked the pickups. For acoustic guitars you can hear the differences in wood and size more.
I like my Bass guitars made from basswood. Guitars made from pine, more like a tubafour..where's my Fender shovel guitar with a hickory handle? Seriously though, those are some nice lookin guitars. Yes, the change over at 7:34 was definitely different, agree it has a bit more low end.
Satin finish looks good for 5 mins but if you buy it you have to live with it. It’s weird to the touch. Tone wood makes very little difference and if you can actually hear it then you’ve too much time on your hands! Once Fender get rid of that silly big headstock on the Performers I’ll buy one. Hopefully they’ll ditch it on its successor when that comes.
"Tonewood" is marketing, plain and simple. There so many variables that are not being thought of when making this debate. Yes you have wood and pickups, but you also have all the manufacturing variations such as: Weight, Lacquer thickness and type, pickup position, wiring, pots, pickup position including z,x and y axis, bridge material, bridge height, bridge weight, bridge surface, nut, tuning pegs, tuning peg position etc etc etc I could go on for a long time but you get my point. IF you could control all of them variables and have the wood type be the only variable you swap out, only then could you debunk this theory. I would bet my savings that given all the other variables, wood type would have an inaudible impact to tone.
The real advantage of Tonewood™ is its effectiveness as a clickbait video title.
Fender is so boring and predictable. Meet the new Fender, same as the old fender.
Nice trademark there
Truth.
They do what sells.
@@mimetypeFender Japan made something different with Aerodyne guitars and basses. Nobody wanted them and they were sold at 50% discount, cheaper than Mexican made guitars, that look like regular “boring fender”.
Matte finish on a sunburst is nasty work
And coming up next a limited edition Strat with one odd colour tuner
Haha What’s with that?? Bloody fender.
i would love a matte fiesta red with those dark rosewood fret board. These colors look ugly IMO except the tele which is cool as always.
@Ry_Valz I find the tele colours ugly but the Strat colours cool. I've seen the brown one in person and it looks a lot better than it does in the video.
It’s a “tone” tuner
Wow Lee you have improved so much man!!! It’s really inspiring to see, much love from Texas y’all.🤠
That Tele Pete is holding in the beginning is gorgeous!!!
I could defiantly hear the tonal qualities of the wood with my eyes!
The way they freestyle licks during the intro and outro is crazy.. the creativity is amazing..
i would get the sassafras one not for the tone, but because the color's great and it's fun to say sassafras! also I don't think I've ever heard of an electric guitar made out of sassafras, so that's pretty cool too.
Eric Johnson's strat was made from sassafras.
There's an Eric Johnson Strat made from it. Not the normal signature one, but a "Stories" series one.
G&L makes some ASAT Specials from sassafras.
This spruce is actually the same spruce as Stradivari used in his stringed instruments. This spruce was reclaimed from storm damage from several years ago during COVID. See the Custom Shop "Violinmaster".
It would be nice to see some modern color/hardware variations instead of the same ones we've had for years. Black or gold hardware, block inlays, multi color pickguards, I don't know, just saying lol. Love Captain and Pete jamming and demoing anything.
Fender has toyed with those things in the past and they didn't sell.
@@adrianhjordan1981 I guess that stuff is for Charvel and Jackson, lol.
Check out the Squier 40th anniversary models, pretty much what you just described.
Pete my man…I have long said that you are the “vibeyest” most in the pocket guitarist I know of….I have to say that Lee is right at your heels now…Lee…your technical progression has been a joy to watch, but I really must acknowledge that your feel has progressed beyond your technical ability….you are an absolute joy to listen to. Anybody can learn to be technically proficient…but only a musician can do what you do!!
Lol....
In my experience as an arborist, you can certainly hear a difference in resonance between different species when their timber hits the ground.
I love that guitar the captain was holding in the beginning. If the headstock was the same color. I would order one right now.
Seconded!
Sassafras is a beautiful wood, some of the best black heart sassafras is found in my home state of Tasmania. Safarin is the extract.
I love the alternate wood guitars. It's good for sustainability and they look fantastic. That they add three color choices to the line is a bonus.
Lovely sounding and guitars are just guitars! If you’re happy with your choice it’s all that matters!
Tonewood is silly. Not as silly as you two though!! Enjoy the videos as always!!🎉
The Justin Timberlake Strat 😂😂😂
I was having a good laugh at the Timberlake signature model joke, but then I realized we live in a world where Machine Gun Kelly got two signature models at once!
So I figure we’ll being seeing something like a Timberlake model soon. 😂
The Timberlake comes with a bottle of jack and a set of car keys!
Not a fan of MGK, but he is definitely helping dragging some people into the rock n roll culture... I bet some kids grabbed a guitar for the first time because of him...
Scamwood! Charge more for a pretty wood grain. What a concept!
Nothing wrong if you like the look of it haha. But if you're buying it expecting any change to your sound your psychotic
The captains playing keeps getting better 🤘
I don’t listen to players about tonewood. In blind tests they often fail to pick the pickups or guitar. Luthiers, recording techs, and guitar techs will tell you it’s the strings & bridge. In electric guitars there are few variables until the signal hits the speaker. The speaker has nearly all of your tone. Choose your speakers wisely.
Yeah, to my ear, the speaker, the order of the pre-amp, various eq circuits and power amp stages in your amp, and the pickup placement are what make the big differences
You're telling me that a violin filled with rootbeer with a bridge made of mdma won't make a difference in tone?? -PRS probably
You won today. No need to scroll for more funny comments
Hahahahahaha PRS definitely! Although to be fair, a bridge made of mdma will DEFINITELY make a difference!
Different woods give different tones. Period. It's just not as noticeable on electric as it is acoustic. But it's there.
The same wood gives different tones too. The weight and grain can't be identical in a natural material. The magnitude of that tonal difference in a solid body is fairly insignificant.
Sure. What else makes difference: different examples of the same wood; current humidity; humidity in the shop, where guitar was built; strings (including their age, wear and environment, where they were stored after opening the package); same pickups can vary in tone as well; pods and caps also don’t exactly match their nominal values, which will affect tone; pickup heights; frets material, heights and wear; action; bridge and nut material; pick guard material, shape and thickness; guitar finish and wear; is guitar played hanging on strap or resting on lap; pick material, thickness and wear; nails/no nails if playing with fingers, etc.
And I didn’t even started to talk about where guitar is plugged in, where real difference is happening.
And guitars are usually played by humans, who also aren’t very reliable in repeating exactly the same fretting/picking motion.
Discussing difference in tone introduced by body material of solid body electric guitar has roughly the same value as discussing tone difference between using new and old well-used pick: it is there, but there is not much value in it. Unless you are selling some “magical old-formula cellulose pre-broken-in picks” that “definitely make a difference, but you simply cannot hear it through the youtube compression” for $20 a piece.
Not so much frequencie wise, there are most likely more tolerance difference on the electronics than we would like, but we don’t know without them being checket besides string tension, action, relief and the distance between poles and strings.
With everything matched a null test will tell how much it matters.
This is the year for Stratocaster fans. I can't believe how much new stuff is out there that I want NOW! I only have 14 guitars. Now they show me another 10 I've never seen before!
Yeah, this year Fender hacked my bank account. lol
These look like Squier Affinity models. It's the headstock finish.
Also because the maple is not tinted.
On the higher priced models the maple gets an amber tint to represent maple that was exposed to sunlight for some years.
Yep. Same with the low end Martin acoustics. The wood has no tint to it. Looks cheap.
What an awesome backing track for the intro jam. ❤
Eric Johnson Strats are sassafras I think.
Just the Virginia model is Sassafras I believe.
@@mlwilliam213 Think you are correct.
Good video. The captain's playing was better once playing rock at the end with the Tele. Pete's playing is always good.👍
Yep, the Sass has more bass punch, and maybe less 1~3kHz. It makes sense because Spruce is softer and lighter than the harder grain areas of the Sass, but doesn't have the softer pore streaks that allow for more midrange damping. I prefer the Sass. The pine Tele seems to lack some bass, but there's a really nice airy quality.
Yosemite pickups sounding sick as always 🤘 have been in the market for a Performer Tele for a while, but must admit that mocha Strat looks lovely
I hear some of you. Fender this, Fender that. Fender ain't this, Fender ain't that, but let me tell you this!!!
I'm not losing anything through my Home Audio System!!! I'm hearing the demo the way Lee and Pete are hearing the tones.
With that being said...THOSE GUITARS (ALL 3), SOUNDED ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!! Especially in a mix!!! PS: Trogly polished a small section of the Mocha one, and IT LOOKED KILLER!!!
Technically, you aren't hearing it as they did. It's been through editing, rendering compression, and youtube compression. You would have to have access to the raw audio recordings, and even then, that would have been colored by the mics and such. You would have had to be there to hear it exactly as they did.
@@Shadowborg LOOK, MAN!!! MY SHI# SOUNDS FANTASTIC EITHER WAY!!! MAYBE YOUR AUDIO SOURCE SUCKS!!! TECHNICALLY.
@@calvinevans6347 Why the aggression dude? Just saying it's literally impossible to hear it as they did due to youtube compression, doesnt matter if your speaker system cost a million dollars. Lee even mentions it. It may sound good, but some quality is lost before it even gets to youtube. The audio in the video is a lower quality version of what they recorded.
@@Shadowborg Leave me alone, dude.
See 0:56 for the "you're my boss so I'm not going to say anything about that bum note" look on Pete's face.
Never been keen on the Tele design but the matt sunburst is very nice
I love it it's the contraversial Pandora's box edition of Fender guitar comparison series.love it.
There is a difference! Even though youtube compression but I feel maybe only a few people may notice, but it's all very much personal opinion!
That final jam was brilliant !!🎸🎸
I don't know who came up with the word "tonewood".... its just "wood", and whilst I do believe that different woods can have a small impact on the sound of an electric guitar, I don't think there are certain types of wood that can be classed as "tone woods". There are hard woods & soft woods, light woods & heavy woods, and there will be woods that are more approriate for instrunent making than others... but I'm not sure what a "tone wood" is & I wish we'd stop using the term!!
It has yet to be shown that wood has any impact at all in an electric guitar's sound. If you're hearing a difference in sound, there are so many other factors to consider first (even between guitars of the same make and model).
Always magical! Thanks for performing and demonstrating.
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard tbh they are playing in a room. What I want would like them to do is record the different guitars with the same amp, mic, and speakers. But ofc that will not sell guitars so I understand why they won't.
So...stop using the term? You're one of the biggest retailers in the world, you can make a difference.
Nothing wrong with the word Tonewood, it is more the context in which it is used.
Acoustic instruments do sound quite different depending on the trees used, solid body electrical guitars too if the pickups are build to pick it up, but that also means that they do have microphonic properties which might make them unsuitable from a certain amount of
gain.
One of the more interesting experiments I discovered recently was with such an pickup installed on the back of the guitar, with the right wiring that may work in most situations.
High gain levels will still add diminishing returns, probably enough for the tree used not to matter at all.
Much better value to have some good EQ’s in the signal chain when it comes to frequency and attack, for sustain a compressor set to only add more sustain will do.
There is probably some pedal that can do the work for resonance/body too.
In reality everything on acoustic instruments can be considered as “Tonewood”, even the back of an Ovation, doesn’t sound worse, just different.
Captain is sounding great!
We get charged extra for “exotic” timbers so why are we not charged less for cheep woods like pine?😢
That Pine Tele sounds glorious
I've trained and worked as a joiner and different timbers absolutely do sound different but not to a silly extent. A well made guitar with good materials will sound good. I've got a Squire Classic Vibe Telecaster that's so well made and if it was made with slightly better timber it would sound brilliant but it's a very good instrument. They do make a difference when used in the right manner but it's absolutely not the be all and end all.
I heard that Fender stopped using pine in the early days because it was often getting chewed up by the the tools (routers, drills, etc.). So they switched to ash, because it was more durable and easier to work.
Just an FYI note: North America has several types of Pine trees that grow sufficiently large for lumer/timbre. Most are relatiely soft but with consistant grain and texture (White, Ponderosa, etc). We also have varieties of Yellow Pine that have alternating hard and soft growth rings making them more difficult to work/tool for musical instruments, but great for wooden structures. (No judgement here for musical qualities.) 🤓
Tolerances in electronics causes tonal differences between guitars, pickups in an electric don't pickup anything from the wood.
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But the STRINGS pickup the vibrations from the wood!
@@schaerfentiefe1967 You are right. The strings vibrate the wood which in turn affects the vibration of the strings which is read as tone by the pickups. If wood made no difference you could put expensive pickups on a $200 guitar and it will sound like a custom shop guitar. Or an SG would sound just the same as a Les Paul.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries There is hardly any difference in the tolerance in two guitars with the same electronics. Even if one of the pots has 10k missing, you wouldn't be able to hear it. The difference in brightness from the first Strat to the second would be like if someone took a 250k pot and jumped it to 500k, and then upgraded the capacitor.
I build my Telecasters and Esquires out of Pine. I don't know that it sounds different or better or worse. I use it #1 because it is cheap and #2 because it is light weight.
Pickups, pots, resistors, etc. all have tolerances even if they're supposedly the same winding, resistance, etc. The minimal sound differences you may be hearing are far more likely related to that than to wood suddenly becoming magnetic.
Yes!
Pickup heights, string heights, string age, variation in the players picking velocity. There's even more variables if you're comparing across two separate guitars.
Eric Johnson's favorite Strat is Sassafras'
I have a Charvel with sassafras and it is noticeable in the weight that it is lighter than the ash that it simulates in tone. Few guitars are made with that wood and I personally like it because it looks like ash.
Tonewoods for acoustics matter ~90+%.
Tonewoods for electrics matter ~10+%
That's my layperson, non-luthier, multi decade guitar playing conclusion and the one that makes the most logical sense to me. Guitars, like most things, can be looked at as a holistic system.
Acoustic guitars, due to their relative simplicity in terms of components and for how they generate sound is highly impacted by the wood materials.
Electric guitars, due to their much higher complexity in terms of components as compared to acoustics and for how they generate sound is very lightly impacted by wood materials.
That's my story and I'm sticking with it. XD All due respect to Mr. PRS....
Wood... maybe. Tonewood? There's no such thing.
Under that 10% 7%is about the neck fretboard material 2%neck fatness 1% the joint type to design whether it has vintage stratitis sound or modern dead but focus sound
@@nova848 Yeah, obviously those figures came out of my butt, but they certainly represent my position on this topic overall, at least after multiple decades of hacking away on guitar.
I just think this kind of distinction is really what is missing in this hysterical "tonewood" debate.
It's all a question of degree how much the wood matters as well as for acoustics vs. electric guitars.
Cheers!
@@joesatchton212 not really about tonewood but in this video ua-cam.com/video/R2rDZTeh5ig/v-deo.htmlsi=Fmj2bGIT3TaKGfUs
about 7 mins that change in sound very significant just want to share
The difference in the pot values due to manufacturing is gonna be bigger than the wood difference. If even in a cab the material matters not, then for sure not in an electric guitar lul
The cab material is secondary to the baffle material, which is MDF. If rhe baffle was pine it would resonate
@@didamnesia3575 you can make a cab out of Styrofoam and you won't be able to tell the difference, so long as the dimensions are the same.
@@void_snw sure thing buddy. I'll assume you can't tell the difference between a clarinet and saxophone. In optics we have a saying, if you* can't tell the difference go with the less expensive option.
Other people can tell the difference. I'm sure a cab made from Styrofoam could sound cool for an effect, but it's not going to sound the same. Not at all
@@didamnesia3575 you tell me which one is the styrofoam cab at the end of this video. ua-cam.com/video/-eeC1XyZxYs/v-deo.html
Can't speak to whether it seems to have a particular tonal difference, but I do own a pine body Telecaster and it is easily the lightest Tele I have ever owned if not the lightest electric guitar I have ever owned for those who are into light guitars
Satin finishes are the best finishes
for about 3 months
@@GoofieNewfieWhat happens after 3 months? Serious question.
"its errr.....I dont know anything about drugs..." hahaha! love it
Would anyone know which wood (Spruce, Pine, Sassafras) is generally the lightest weight? Would love to get a lighter weight tele than what I have now.
Spruce Forsythe. lol. Love it.
I dig the tele. I don't dig the big headstock, but I'd totally buy that sugarpine tele
I'd go for the sugar pine Strat!
True North American pine is very soft, sappy, and hard to find in blanks big enough to work with that doesn’t have knots. Pine also has a tendency to curl as it ages.
I’d suggest that that is just your o-pine-ion! 😜
Sorry… I’ll get my coat 😳🙄
Scandinavian Pine sounds like a song that sounds like a song
I once had a man,
Or should I say he once had me,
He showed me his sign,
Isn't it good Scandinavian Pine?
nice one guys loved the vid, preferred the honey burst strat.
Saying wood doesn’t matter in a guitar is like saying that tyres don’t matter on a racecar. Saying it makes a big difference is like saying that all the speed of the car comes from the tyres
Pine is a "tone" wood? I like the tele your demonstrating the best!
You guys should make a video where you go to the back of the store (parking lot), strip a guitars finish and refinish in nitro. I’d be curious to see how well you guys do…
Not sure about the tonewood, but I'm sure 8:52 is the deepest and bass-iest "hey" I've ever heard.
Victory v4 Duchess on my pedalboard too with Friedman IR-D. Work in progress as ever!
The Sassafras one has to be DELICIOUS!
Stunning, I love the Tele
What's the story on Lee's amp that's "built into the board?" He said "go watch a previous video about that" but I can't seem to find what he's talking about. Looks like a Victory V4 Duchess, but with no foot guardrail?
I put the video of me making the board on my Insta channel. Its just a normal V4 Duchess amp... i don't think they come with the footbar any more
Hard to say anything specific for a type of wood since the same type can have different densities. If you like the tone then it's all that matters..
Ah so this is what the fellas at work where on about today, voting on the toanwood! Must have been what 2019 since we last had these debates hehe
Much less in a Strat than most other guitars. Maple or rosewood board will make a little difference, but at the body end you are mainly getting the sound of a sprung metal bridge,and what that is attached to is already one step removed from your primary sound source
guys whats the reference to sasafras about ? i just poured a small river table with it
I knew it! You own Fender and are putting your own stickers on them
I dont know if the difference is the wood or just other factors - but those strats did sound a little bit different - Im using Dynaudio Studio monitors...
These are cool. Pete has the right idea though. Sand them down and repaint into something wild.
I wish fender released these in natural. Kind of pointless with the almost solid finish with the alternative wood choices.
1:25 Are you thinking of High and Dry by Radiohead Captain?
I cant hear the difference through the youtube compression on my bluetooth headphones
If you can’t hear the difference, you either need new speakers or you need your hearing checked. It’s a minor difference, but it’s there.
With so many variables that can contribute to a sound, how can you be certain that it is just one variable and not some other variable or a combination of variables?
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboardfender make guitar with different wood. Guitars sound different. That’s all I need to know. Like they said, go into the store and try a few out and find the one you like :)
I’m here to engage in ~tonewood discourse~ by telling everyone it does effect tone, just not as much as people pay for. THE REAL GOOD THING about this series? These woods are far more sustainable and can be sourced more easily. That matters too. Feel good about where your Git came from.
I had one of these before I bought my cs strat. These are SOOO good for the money! What I loved about it was the fact that they have jumbo frets - just in case that's your cup of tea, too :)
Weird cause there are dozens of these turds on the wall across the street at GC that they can't sell cause they have defects, awful pickups and ridiculously high action.
Would love to hear all three Strat Woods compared now
To my ears, different woods don't make that much difference with solid body guitars. The type of pickup, amp and pedals are far more important to the overall sound of a guitar. Tonewoods have more of an effect on acoustic guitars in my experience.
Non colour-matched headstocks on rosewood/dark boards look like a toe hanging out of a bust sock imco
Damn, I can't unsee that now!
I believe tonewood only matters for acoustic guitars and not for electric guitars. I don't care what wood an electric guitar has as long as I like the look of it. I have heard electric guitars made out of different materials that sounded good and it was because I liked the pickups. For acoustic guitars you can hear the differences in wood and size more.
Love this Duo
I'm just waiting for a new Ultra Strat model with stainless steel frets and no floyd rose. Please Fender!
They all sound just like Squier Debut series from amazon, so they are good guitars for sure... 👍
So get your Squier and be done with it
Sassafras Strat should have had a black pickguard. If I can grab one before they’re gone, that will be upgrade #1
I like my Bass guitars made from basswood. Guitars made from pine, more like a tubafour..where's my Fender shovel guitar with a hickory handle?
Seriously though, those are some nice lookin guitars.
Yes, the change over at 7:34 was definitely different, agree it has a bit more low end.
Are they as good as my Fender Norwegian Wood?
spruce is pine too! my strat is pine and weighs nine pounds. its a 50s reissue
Isn't sassafras what Mutley used to say?
If it ain't an acoustic guitar then we ain't talkin tone wood.
beautiful guitars! all of them! is the song you are referring to "I dare you to move" by Switchfoot? at least that's what it sounded like to me
Not for electrics. Pickups, amp, pedals, and of course hands
Satin finish looks good for 5 mins but if you buy it you have to live with it. It’s weird to the touch. Tone wood makes very little difference and if you can actually hear it then you’ve too much time on your hands!
Once Fender get rid of that silly big headstock on the Performers I’ll buy one. Hopefully they’ll ditch it on its successor when that comes.
The tone's in the finish.
Where's me popcorn.
toan strap buttons
They had the fender master builder on a few videos ago and he said it’s not a debate… tone wood is 100% a thing
"Tonewood" is marketing, plain and simple. There so many variables that are not being thought of when making this debate. Yes you have wood and pickups, but you also have all the manufacturing variations such as: Weight, Lacquer thickness and type, pickup position, wiring, pots, pickup position including z,x and y axis, bridge material, bridge height, bridge weight, bridge surface, nut, tuning pegs, tuning peg position etc etc etc I could go on for a long time but you get my point. IF you could control all of them variables and have the wood type be the only variable you swap out, only then could you debunk this theory. I would bet my savings that given all the other variables, wood type would have an inaudible impact to tone.
Scandinavian Pine has smaller growth rings (due to arctic temperatures & light) hence is denser & harder than temperate US pine.