@@atsukana1704 Considering he has to get carried in "difficult" content because he refuses to do anything but clear adds, and only likes PvP when there's a conga line of Thumbless Joes in front of him, that's not saying a whole lot.
The reason why people were asking for radiant for Golden gun, is the fact that it's the only super that reaches its highest potential with radiant, whereas every other one and done super you can just pop it and it does its max damage, but with Golden gun in order for it to do its max damage it needs to have radiant
Kinda on the same topic (not that its going to be the same caliber of damage) doesn't throwing the smoke on void before shooting mobious buff the damage? (Which cross didn't do) cuz the first shot also applies weaken, buffing the damage of successive shot(s) but if you throw the smoke first it then buffs the damage on all the mobious shots
@@kaicrutcher1313 All you would have to do to see the correct max damage would be to figure out how much a single volley of tether shot does and increase it's damage by 30% and multiply that number by 3. You could easily achieve this by using Tractor to debuff so the first shot does maximum damage, though in those case you'd be sacrificing your heavy and exotic to do this, so in most cases unless you were raiding, and even then, it just wouldn't be worth it.
@kaicrutcher1313 no that's adding a grenade / melee to the super for weaken. If you wanna weaken everything should everything be tested after tractor cannon? Why not? Cuz that's not the super.
So, I notice that the Hunters Deadshot Golden Gun doesn’t have as much dedicated support as Marksman or Blade Barrage… Idea for an Exotic to amend that: _Silver-Bolt Striders_ Hunter Exotic Legs Exotic Perk: _Golden Gun, Silver Bullets;* Scorch, Ignition, and Grenade final blows reduce the cooldown of your Super. While your Super is Full or Active, the countdowns for your Solar buffs are refreshed when scorching and igniting enemies, extending their duration. Casting your Solar Super makes you and nearby allies Radiant, and scorches nearby enemies if you were already Radiant. Causing Solar ignitions while in your Deadshot Super refunds an additional Golden Gun round, and doubles the damage of your next Golden Gun round._
happy to see the maxed out attempt on Silence and Squall, my favorite of the hunter supers by far, seeing it near the top of one shot supers makes me smile
Dude why can’t they give spectral blades the same tracking and hitbox as arc staff? It would actually be good if it could fucking hit the damn target smh. It’s bad because it misses 90 percent of the time smh.
Been saying this , like they make it seem hard then it actually is to fix it , just allow more forgiveness while ur swinging it , if u miss then it doesnt drain ur super, or just buff the hell out of the tracking and hit box @@CGR1410
@@hatchell18 while I completely agree that the hit reg is awful, it’d still do terrible damage even if they did buff it. It just needs a buff to its tracking as well as it’s damage. If bungie could find their last brain cell, they’d give it a similar damage buff to the one that sentinel shield accidentally got
@ they already buffed its damage by 35 percent, then gave it another 20 percent damage buff after that, but yeah I agree the damage is still way too low even for a roaming super. They need to basically just double its damage so it does around 800-850k on top of fixing the tracking/hit registration. That combined with the recent roaming super regen and damage changes would make it super good then. But if they at least just fixed the tracking/hit registration it would at least be decent since you can spam it.
And to not have ass hit registration/horrible lunge. I don't understand Bungie's obsession with having most, if not all melee based supers have some kind of annoying lunge. The lunge shouldn't apply if something is already THAT close to you. Spectral Blades would be much better if you could actually consistently hit anything with it.
@@DushBig It would be a little over 500k but thats about it. Cross only lunged once away from the boss in the second attempt which translates to maybe 2-3 possible hits in the time. And 500k is really bad compared to other hunter supers and especially in cimparison to his titan video where the worst super was still almost 700k. Better hitreg would overall make the super feel better, but not actually perform much better
@@cayde-6502 they should just give spectral an overhaul, a rework, or a complete replacement at this point. It has the worst damage and the worst hit reg out of pretty much any ability in the game. Bungie’s been chipping away at the problem with the tiny buffs they been giving it but I don’t think they understand how unusable the super feels
Blight Ranger is gated by how quickly a boss deals its damage. Ogre Bosses will always showcase the ceiling of that exotic because of how their eyebeams work.
Blight ranger is the only time id be ok if friendly fire existed. Imagine your teammates dumping their full load into you (pause) and you reflect it towards the boss with the dmg buff from blight ranger....would be dope asf
They need to add what they did to titan barricade to blight ranger where it forces everything to focus on you then they need to remove the stun effect that staggers them and stops damaging you. It still won't be the best but it would make the concept they're shooting for a lot better.
And this is the reason why, if I ever use Silence and Squall, I'll gravitate to pure stasis as its fragment, Durance, increases the duration on field. Prismatic loses out on that, and would only play into prismaric for facet of Ruin to combo in ice breaker for ignitions.
I love Cross saying "retiring after this video." He will come back next big change to the sandbox for sure. Give this man a raise for all the work he's doing.
Hinters are meant to be the glass cannons of destiny and the fact their supers are hitting so poorly, even with exotics like star eaters and celestial is pretty piss poor. I knew they had been nerfed but this is ridiculous. Reason why i just refuse to ppay hunter anymore is in part largely to the last round of nerfs it got and this proves it was a good call.
@@lbozo9580I completely agree. I think that most roaming supers at base, need to be doing at least 1.2 million damage. You think that's a lot of damage but it's over a 15 second long super. No one uses roaming supers because even if they do a little bit more damage than one-off supers, you are stuck in them for 15 seconds. Plus most roaming supers you have to be at the feet of the boss in order to use it. And any one-off supers like storms edge, needs to do way more damage than one-off supers that you can use from a distance
@atsukana1704 pretty sure he was saying it as getting the x3 synapse (I think that's the name) when amplified. Allowing it to having a much more longer duration than what it has right now due to needing to stack up the first combo rotation.
@@slingshotnerd The point is to give a greater super extension than normal if you're amplified, thus making it actually have direct subclass verb synergy. Not that its hard to get 3 stacks already.
6-shooter needed the damage buffs the other supers got, it’s just terrible. I ran it in a GM the other day, you can’t kill an orange bar with it, and the ads it’s designed to kill get wiped out by a teammates grenade. For a super that is thematically my favorite and visually fun, it’s so disappointing when you pop it on Heist: Moon and you can’t even kill a wizard with 2 shots
I simply do not understand why marksman golden gun exists, just remove it lmao. Deadshot should be the base gg super and all they need to do is significantly buff the damage so its on par with other roaming supers, they could make it refund super energy for more shots to make it last about as long as other roamings in pve only so you cant get infinite super in pvp, so youll only get max six shots for crucible. maybe just increase the base duration a bit. Then when you equip Celestial you still get the 1 precision shot.
After seeing the Titan video, its very obvious Hunter damage needs a buff. Behemoth is wildly out of band damage wise, and prismatic warlock can do some nutty shit
Behemoth is completely fine, because you can't use it for any ranged bosses and it's solely reliant on a big boss breaking all the crystals. And honestly all classes with their roaming supers need to be doing close to behemoth level damage. Roman supers need to be the highest damaging abilities in the game, because you have to stay in them for the 15 seconds you have the super.
@ThePackman627 I agree there. My point is behemoth is, all things being equal, wildly more powerful than other roaming supers, especially supers that are only useful for grounded enemies.
As far as identity goes Warlocks/Titans have always been utility, while Hunter has always been the selfish damage class. So Hunters suddenly outclassing everyone else with Celestial/Still Hunt made sense to me. Then it was nerfed, and Hunter didn't really have anything to stand out. I get that we all want to feel powerful, but we should also be okay with some classes shining in certain scenarios.
I dunono,, it isn't that deep. They all have their shining moments. I play all 3 and classes and find myself jumping back and forth for various reasons.
5:25 Cross I think what they were saying about raijus harness was that the extra damage was jolt damage. So if you just threw a nade that jolts it would be the same damage, so you could put on a different exotic (like star eaters) for a higher total damage.
Once they've got it in a good spot balance-wise in pvp I'd frankly love to see Storm's Edge get a pve buff. I personally feel its already there after the nerf, but, that might be biased for my love of using it. I feel like if they can make it actually good at fitting the weird middle-ground between a roaming super and a one-off super it'd be pretty fun. Like they could absolutely make its cooldown way faster in pve without affecting pvp and get it to a point thats like, slower than a roaming super like arc staff but faster than most one-offs like gathering storm or something. Then make a good exotic to pair with it, a raiju / shards of galanor / etc equivalent, maybe make it apply jolt as part of the exotic (could be cool/flashy if it applied a jolt aoe after the teleport but before the attack) and get some on-kill regen looping or something.
Blight Ranger during the Corrupted Puppeteer boss might actually go nuts because of how add dense it is with all the clones shooting the shit out of you AND you can move out of the lighting while in it.
well damage wise still kinda meh but that bossfight is so tough solo that it becomes a pretty safe option if you wanna do hunter solo and like not be invisible
It's funny how titan mains complain about needing their "personality" since hunters r taking their "melee class" thing but I've never heard anyone talking about hunters class thing, "assassins?" Like in destiny what is that? How the only sneaky like assassin is probably void and stasis for shuriken and maybe solar with the knives but other than that it's more of a ability instead of class thing other than that warlocks and titans r now doing more dmg than hunters which is crazy I thought high super dps was a "hunter" class thing but ig not
Yeah, I felt that way with previous damage testing that put Golden Gun below a lot of the oneshot supers from the other classes. "Well, it's ranged, so it should do less damage!" Sure, but you also have to land the hit to do any damage. There have been so many times I miss the crit spot, or even just miss entirely, with Golden Gun and it feels awful. Especially when you're using Nighthawk. And as for flavor, I wish Bungie would give some sort of backstab powered melee to the Nightstalker. The smoke bomb that weakens just doesn't cut it for me.
I kinda had an idea for this. What if they brought back mask of the third man, adds 1 more charge + refunds a charge when you kill 3 or more enemies. Melee kills fund storm's edge. Would be cool but bungie is completely out of creativity
I will never understand why Bungie keeps nerfing Celestial and golden gun when its already pathetically weak. And once it gets fixed to not have increased regen, there will never be a reason to ever use it over stat eaters ever again. This damage testing just shows how pathteically weak hunters are in PVE compared to Titans. And all i heard from titans was "Bungie hates us. Nerf hubter melee builds they arent the melee class" And now titans are the single best super damage in the game BY A MILE. And they have the best neutral game ability BY A MILE. Titans have been at the top of the foodchain far more often than any delusional titan mains want to pretend.
Dude, I’m a Titan main and I totally agree that we are really powerful right now, but you are talking total crap titans have been the worst class in game by far for a very very long time, that is why they have had so many buffs recently, and even with said buffs warlocks and hunter are still amazing in all content, all you have to do is look at the player analysis, hunters and warlocks are far more popular in terms of number of players and how long they have been meta, all that’s happening now is hunters crying because they are no longer the be all and end all of end game damage
@samuelbeckley1870 while i would like to say fair enough my tempest strike was not outdamaging your thundercrash with cuirass of the falling star, something that cannot be said for concecration + synthos against gg with celestial or star eaters
Golden gun will continue to be the meta in dps scenarios, the regen on it now is busted and you don’t use celestial for super regen, you use it as essentially a head start in dps.
@@samuelbeckley1870 The recent Buffs have been a result of Titan Players complaining about the Prismatic Kit. Titans have had the best PvE Kit for a long time only suffering when it came to Raid Boss DPS because of the Supers. You can argue that Build variety has been better on other Classes. I can´t remember when Titan was the "worst Class by far" in PvE. Certainly not any time after Hammer Titan became viable years ago and it is still the best Build for Survivability and made Titan the best Class for Solo Content. As I said, Titan only suffered from variety and Boss DPS Supers (except for TCrash era) which doesn´t make it the worst Class when you keep Builds like Hammer Titan. Class Popularity doesn´t tell you anything about how strong the Class is, especially when everyone wanted a Warlock for Well and a Hunter for Golden Gun/Tether. Raid Bosses, where both of these Classes shine, are just a small part of the Game. Yes, all Classes are currently doing well in all Content but that doesn´t excuse overtuning. Your last sentence is just a bs claim.
@@whatifwaterwaschunky7199 Consistent health chunks that aren't based on killing ads, access to navigator grapple spamming if you substitute liars with spirit of synthos, invis that isnt kill based, and a better prismatic grenade for dps cenarios.
@@Oberon4 ok, even if you do preform perfectly flinch can still F you over. I’ve had many times where my shot is perfectly lined up only to take a sniper shot that makes me miss. The only reason it was hard meta on witness is because he’s a giant crit that’s impossible to miss and there is no way to do any kind of melee damage. Thing is though they expected people to use still hunt celestial, it was literally impossible without at least 3 on your fireteam. The witness was SO overtuned day one.
@daycejohnson Yeah, god forbid your 2 nukes don't have a counter and can't be used to nuke every living thing you encounter😂. Celestial/Still Hunt is still very powerful stop coping.
@@fettuccine9896 THIS! I just don't understand in a game where most play all classes and constantly complain about the actual DPS class being too strong in DPS scenarios is mental with the actual DPS class being weak in almost every other aspect it just never made any sense to me
@thesonofcosmos Still hunt/ Celestial is still the highest dps. He is testing total damage which has nothing to do with dps. No one had issues with Hunter dps except for bungie. People had an issue with hunters having better ability uptime than warlocks and more survivability than titans.
@Joker_Venom I am talking pre combination blow nerfs, liars, devour, and ivis, rifts, song of flame's dr, and phoenix dive. In early TFS knockout barely gave back any health and that was titan's only way of survivability on prism unless you had spirit of the assasin.
you can replicate that Star eater golden gun spam with six hunters now, seeing that the super is doesn't loose that super regen buff from having Star Eaters on- whereas with Nighthawk it isn't supposed to be able to get that super back super fast
I’m pretty sure for Raiju’s Harness it’s better when there’s multiple enemies around to keep jolting and calling lightning down so for the vesper host boss it’s chunks him but for Greg it wouldn’t do too much
Apparently capping your frame rate to 60 or below helps a lot with the hit registration of melee lunge based attacks, such as Spectral Blades. You should try it when you next have hit registration issues.
Classic meme when the WORST titan super was still better than the halfway point of the hunter supers lmao. Good thing we nerfed hunters though. Titans NEEDED to be the meta in EVERY activity.
@CymatixOne prismatic titan is just a hair under hunter in PvP, and titans have been the best in PvP for actual years pre prismatic. Should we tank their supers in PvE too?
I’m just hoping he doesn’t add apotheosis veil ability spam into the damage and act as if it’s part of the damage of the super which defo shouldn’t count. also from what I know rn titans have the highest one and done (thunder crash) and highest roaming (glacial quake and even the shield one rn due to the accidental buff). I know those roaming supers are very specific for the encounters they work in and even thunder crash has encounters it doesn’t work in although axes are basically the same damage as nova so they are doing insanely well with super dps
@@RandomGuy-ci9nt hunters rule PvP and are cry babies in pve although the guy who commented on the video is correct about the super thing cus titans are just op rn so I’m not insulting him
I am using spectral blades on my invis omnioculus hunter right now.... its working rly well to clean up waves of strong ads and as a bonus oh shit button. Rly like it now with the cooldown.
When you're testing something like Blight Ranger that reflects damage and you don't want your enemy to flinch, stop reflecting the damage at his face if you're not getting any sort of precision damage
As a titan main, I gotta say; Arc Hunter needs some serious love, alongside Arc Titan Literally both of our designated punch it class for the light subclasses, and its absolute ASS. The only saving grace between the two of them is the yeet missile, and pre-nerf combination blow. Arc warlock is also a joke. You wanna talk about class identity, what about subclass identity? Nobody's coping harder for an identity rework than the entirety of base Arc, and it makes me sad
case and point why i stopped playing the game. Hunters suck right now so bad to the point I have only played titan for contest dungeon day and haven't touched it since then. I think I'm done until the next raid drops/D3
Cross why are you not dodging during arc staff with raiden flux and lethal current im sure it increases the speed of arc staff and procs lethal current
I’m definitely more a fan of kne and done supers for boss phases just because you throw whatever you’re super is and essentially add about 500k damage from that with whatever dps your weapons and abilities can do. So raider might be meta now but I do not want to spend a whole damage phase wracking at a boss and that’s if they even can be melee damaged. I don’t see how the servitor for war lords ruin could be attacked by raiden so it’s nice there’s still good viable options outside of just raiden.
This guy looks like a Hunter, acts like a Titan, but mains a Warlock..
Truly a Destiny player of all time..
Plays titan better half of the time anyways lol
More like look like a hunter, act like a warlock (his video analysis about destiny) and main a titan.
when did he become a warlock main?
@@moiraine6453 He's always been a warlock main. He just denies it like his life depends on it.
@@atsukana1704 Considering he has to get carried in "difficult" content because he refuses to do anything but clear adds, and only likes PvP when there's a conga line of Thumbless Joes in front of him, that's not saying a whole lot.
The reason why people were asking for radiant for Golden gun, is the fact that it's the only super that reaches its highest potential with radiant, whereas every other one and done super you can just pop it and it does its max damage, but with Golden gun in order for it to do its max damage it needs to have radiant
Same with blade barrage, idk why he insisted radiant doesnt help, it literally adds more projectiles
It literally says in the description "Benefits from Radiant", I don't know how you could miss it
Kinda on the same topic (not that its going to be the same caliber of damage) doesn't throwing the smoke on void before shooting mobious buff the damage? (Which cross didn't do) cuz the first shot also applies weaken, buffing the damage of successive shot(s) but if you throw the smoke first it then buffs the damage on all the mobious shots
@@kaicrutcher1313 All you would have to do to see the correct max damage would be to figure out how much a single volley of tether shot does and increase it's damage by 30% and multiply that number by 3. You could easily achieve this by using Tractor to debuff so the first shot does maximum damage, though in those case you'd be sacrificing your heavy and exotic to do this, so in most cases unless you were raiding, and even then, it just wouldn't be worth it.
@kaicrutcher1313 no that's adding a grenade / melee to the super for weaken. If you wanna weaken everything should everything be tested after tractor cannon? Why not? Cuz that's not the super.
Bungie: Due to hunter supers under performing, we are nerfing stompees.
@@markjordan7412 seems fair tbh
This is so sad, nerf bubble more
@Rynobii it's already been nerfed though and we jus5 buffed stompees
@@Rynobii Nah. Nerf getaway artists again
That.
Damage testing videos from you are high key my favorite form of entertainment
I remember when Hunters use to do high damage with their supers
So, I notice that the Hunters Deadshot Golden Gun doesn’t have as much dedicated support as Marksman or Blade Barrage…
Idea for an Exotic to amend that:
_Silver-Bolt Striders_
Hunter Exotic Legs
Exotic Perk: _Golden Gun, Silver Bullets;* Scorch, Ignition, and Grenade final blows reduce the cooldown of your Super. While your Super is Full or Active, the countdowns for your Solar buffs are refreshed when scorching and igniting enemies, extending their duration. Casting your Solar Super makes you and nearby allies Radiant, and scorches nearby enemies if you were already Radiant. Causing Solar ignitions while in your Deadshot Super refunds an additional Golden Gun round, and doubles the damage of your next Golden Gun round._
happy to see the maxed out attempt on Silence and Squall, my favorite of the hunter supers by far, seeing it near the top of one shot supers makes me smile
So funny how spectral blades have gotten so many buffs yet its still so bad 😂
@@DaToby98 just give us katana with a big sword swing hit box fr
Dude why can’t they give spectral blades the same tracking and hitbox as arc staff? It would actually be good if it could fucking hit the damn target smh. It’s bad because it misses 90 percent of the time smh.
Been saying this , like they make it seem hard then it actually is to fix it , just allow more forgiveness while ur swinging it , if u miss then it doesnt drain ur super, or just buff the hell out of the tracking and hit box @@CGR1410
@@hatchell18 while I completely agree that the hit reg is awful, it’d still do terrible damage even if they did buff it. It just needs a buff to its tracking as well as it’s damage. If bungie could find their last brain cell, they’d give it a similar damage buff to the one that sentinel shield accidentally got
@ they already buffed its damage by 35 percent, then gave it another 20 percent damage buff after that, but yeah I agree the damage is still way too low even for a roaming super. They need to basically just double its damage so it does around 800-850k on top of fixing the tracking/hit registration.
That combined with the recent roaming super regen and damage changes would make it super good then. But if they at least just fixed the tracking/hit registration it would at least be decent since you can spam it.
Blight ranger doing more than star eater with gathering storm hurts my brain.
Edit: spectral needs to apply volatile on light hits, holy hell.
And to not have ass hit registration/horrible lunge. I don't understand Bungie's obsession with having most, if not all melee based supers have some kind of annoying lunge. The lunge shouldn't apply if something is already THAT close to you. Spectral Blades would be much better if you could actually consistently hit anything with it.
@@DushBig It would be a little over 500k but thats about it. Cross only lunged once away from the boss in the second attempt which translates to maybe 2-3 possible hits in the time. And 500k is really bad compared to other hunter supers and especially in cimparison to his titan video where the worst super was still almost 700k. Better hitreg would overall make the super feel better, but not actually perform much better
@@cayde-6502 they should just give spectral an overhaul, a rework, or a complete replacement at this point. It has the worst damage and the worst hit reg out of pretty much any ability in the game. Bungie’s been chipping away at the problem with the tiny buffs they been giving it but I don’t think they understand how unusable the super feels
Blight Ranger is gated by how quickly a boss deals its damage. Ogre Bosses will always showcase the ceiling of that exotic because of how their eyebeams work.
Blight ranger is the only time id be ok if friendly fire existed. Imagine your teammates dumping their full load into you (pause) and you reflect it towards the boss with the dmg buff from blight ranger....would be dope asf
There was a brief period of time in Witch Queen where that exact strat was meta.
They need to add what they did to titan barricade to blight ranger where it forces everything to focus on you then they need to remove the stun effect that staggers them and stops damaging you. It still won't be the best but it would make the concept they're shooting for a lot better.
And this is the reason why, if I ever use Silence and Squall, I'll gravitate to pure stasis as its fragment, Durance, increases the duration on field. Prismatic loses out on that, and would only play into prismaric for facet of Ruin to combo in ice breaker for ignitions.
Ruin buffs the range of Ignitions but not the damage, so I'm pretty sure you can run pure Stasis with Icebreaker and get better damage.
@blackfang0815 just goes to show how little I play PvE, lol.
You’re mainly running s&s on prismatic for that juicy frost armor
I love Cross saying "retiring after this video." He will come back next big change to the sandbox for sure. Give this man a raise for all the work he's doing.
Hinters are meant to be the glass cannons of destiny and the fact their supers are hitting so poorly, even with exotics like star eaters and celestial is pretty piss poor. I knew they had been nerfed but this is ridiculous. Reason why i just refuse to ppay hunter anymore is in part largely to the last round of nerfs it got and this proves it was a good call.
Raiden Flux is absolutely amazing now. I used it in the Arms Dealer GM and ended with 235 kills with 88 orbs printed.
I said it on the Titan video and I'll say it again here: Bungie needs to make supers feel super.
The fuck does that even mean tho? Half of the supers in the game are broken rn
@@ekkaar he means pretty easily that supers should feel more powerful, when I use a super it should do alot more than a measly like 600k damage
@@lbozo9580 most supers that do 600k are one off supers used in a dps rotation. Nice try tho (ignore spectral blades)
@@lbozo9580I completely agree. I think that most roaming supers at base, need to be doing at least 1.2 million damage. You think that's a lot of damage but it's over a 15 second long super. No one uses roaming supers because even if they do a little bit more damage than one-off supers, you are stuck in them for 15 seconds.
Plus most roaming supers you have to be at the feet of the boss in order to use it.
And any one-off supers like storms edge, needs to do way more damage than one-off supers that you can use from a distance
It’s just bad when I can use all three of my weapons and get a dramatically higher dmg output than one of my supers lmao.
With radiant flux they should give you max stacks if you pop super while amplified.
It doesn’t stack?
@@atsukana1704 it stacks to 3
@atsukana1704 pretty sure he was saying it as getting the x3 synapse (I think that's the name) when amplified.
Allowing it to having a much more longer duration than what it has right now due to needing to stack up the first combo rotation.
Or you could just spam attack to get x3 in 1 freaking second
@@slingshotnerd The point is to give a greater super extension than normal if you're amplified, thus making it actually have direct subclass verb synergy. Not that its hard to get 3 stacks already.
19:01 the mythical dad sneeze
Arc staff being viable is wild, what a time to be alive
Amen, and I was an arcstrider main during the early D2 days.
Been waiting for arc staff to make a return love that it's good now
Wish prismatic hunter had arc staff lol
Same!
Wish it had Blade Barrage tbh
Grappling around with arc staff would be so damn fun sadly we got storms edge which is probably the shittiest pve super
@ Its not the worst certainly like using it with SES but yeah Staff and Barrage would just be utter Chefs kiss in Pris
right instead we only get the pvp only super in prismatic for arc which sucks
The editors should separate the roaming supers from the one-offs, blueberries are gonna have a field day with this in LFG
Silence and squall needs at the LEAST a 50% dmg buff. NO super should be stuck at numbers that low
6-shooter needed the damage buffs the other supers got, it’s just terrible. I ran it in a GM the other day, you can’t kill an orange bar with it, and the ads it’s designed to kill get wiped out by a teammates grenade.
For a super that is thematically my favorite and visually fun, it’s so disappointing when you pop it on Heist: Moon and you can’t even kill a wizard with 2 shots
I simply do not understand why marksman golden gun exists, just remove it lmao. Deadshot should be the base gg super and all they need to do is significantly buff the damage so its on par with other roaming supers, they could make it refund super energy for more shots to make it last about as long as other roamings in pve only so you cant get infinite super in pvp, so youll only get max six shots for crucible. maybe just increase the base duration a bit. Then when you equip Celestial you still get the 1 precision shot.
After seeing the Titan video, its very obvious Hunter damage needs a buff. Behemoth is wildly out of band damage wise, and prismatic warlock can do some nutty shit
Behemoth is completely fine, because you can't use it for any ranged bosses and it's solely reliant on a big boss breaking all the crystals.
And honestly all classes with their roaming supers need to be doing close to behemoth level damage. Roman supers need to be the highest damaging abilities in the game, because you have to stay in them for the 15 seconds you have the super.
@ThePackman627 I agree there. My point is behemoth is, all things being equal, wildly more powerful than other roaming supers, especially supers that are only useful for grounded enemies.
Spectral Blades needs to either be overhauled with its hit registration or taken away entirely 😂
@@Bastion0418 why do i see u on every cross video
@ lol I am a channel member. And I keep up with Destiny 2 through his videos so. 😂
You should've cancelled blight ranger super on the end to tack on some extra damage when standing near greg.
As far as identity goes Warlocks/Titans have always been utility, while Hunter has always been the selfish damage class. So Hunters suddenly outclassing everyone else with Celestial/Still Hunt made sense to me. Then it was nerfed, and Hunter didn't really have anything to stand out. I get that we all want to feel powerful, but we should also be okay with some classes shining in certain scenarios.
Nah. You guys are the roll then punch class now. I as a titan main will be the high damage super class 😂.
@@Voodoo_Occasionswe aren't even the best melee class though. Titans are still better.
@@whatifwaterwaschunky7199 It's pretty close. Hunters are better at clearing adds, but Titans stomp champions pretty easily.
I dunono,, it isn't that deep. They all have their shining moments. I play all 3 and classes and find myself jumping back and forth for various reasons.
5:25 Cross I think what they were saying about raijus harness was that the extra damage was jolt damage. So if you just threw a nade that jolts it would be the same damage, so you could put on a different exotic (like star eaters) for a higher total damage.
Not quite. They were talking about the jolting shockwave that comes out from you. It does a bit (like 50,000 if I recall)
Once they've got it in a good spot balance-wise in pvp I'd frankly love to see Storm's Edge get a pve buff. I personally feel its already there after the nerf, but, that might be biased for my love of using it.
I feel like if they can make it actually good at fitting the weird middle-ground between a roaming super and a one-off super it'd be pretty fun.
Like they could absolutely make its cooldown way faster in pve without affecting pvp and get it to a point thats like, slower than a roaming super like arc staff but faster than most one-offs like gathering storm or something.
Then make a good exotic to pair with it, a raiju / shards of galanor / etc equivalent, maybe make it apply jolt as part of the exotic (could be cool/flashy if it applied a jolt aoe after the teleport but before the attack) and get some on-kill regen looping or something.
The hunter exotic class item with star eaters and ghalanor is so good with buff to roaming supers ✨️
I swear, i am using Prisma with strand super. In GM absolutely crazy! Had 10 supers in one run!
Not 1 biotic enhancement consecration doing more than golden gun….. god I love being a titan
I can’t tell you how much I love you giving your chat sh1t when they start acting up. It’s THE best entertainment.
Blight Ranger during the Corrupted Puppeteer boss might actually go nuts because of how add dense it is with all the clones shooting the shit out of you AND you can move out of the lighting while in it.
well damage wise still kinda meh but that bossfight is so tough solo that it becomes a pretty safe option if you wanna do hunter solo and like not be invisible
It's funny how titan mains complain about needing their "personality" since hunters r taking their "melee class" thing but I've never heard anyone talking about hunters class thing, "assassins?" Like in destiny what is that? How the only sneaky like assassin is probably void and stasis for shuriken and maybe solar with the knives but other than that it's more of a ability instead of class thing other than that warlocks and titans r now doing more dmg than hunters which is crazy I thought high super dps was a "hunter" class thing but ig not
Been saying this for a min lol
Ninjas and cowboys
A Hunter's identity is dying and being a massive edgelord for the sake of dying and being a massive edgelord.
Yeah, I felt that way with previous damage testing that put Golden Gun below a lot of the oneshot supers from the other classes. "Well, it's ranged, so it should do less damage!" Sure, but you also have to land the hit to do any damage. There have been so many times I miss the crit spot, or even just miss entirely, with Golden Gun and it feels awful. Especially when you're using Nighthawk.
And as for flavor, I wish Bungie would give some sort of backstab powered melee to the Nightstalker. The smoke bomb that weakens just doesn't cut it for me.
The whole point is titans only have one identity in the game. Hunters and warlocks can express it through many different ways.
They need to make an exotic for storms edge that gives it an extra charge ( like Orpheus for void tether
I kinda had an idea for this. What if they brought back mask of the third man, adds 1 more charge + refunds a charge when you kill 3 or more enemies. Melee kills fund storm's edge. Would be cool but bungie is completely out of creativity
I will never understand why Bungie keeps nerfing Celestial and golden gun when its already pathetically weak. And once it gets fixed to not have increased regen, there will never be a reason to ever use it over stat eaters ever again. This damage testing just shows how pathteically weak hunters are in PVE compared to Titans.
And all i heard from titans was "Bungie hates us. Nerf hubter melee builds they arent the melee class"
And now titans are the single best super damage in the game BY A MILE. And they have the best neutral game ability BY A MILE.
Titans have been at the top of the foodchain far more often than any delusional titan mains want to pretend.
They need the help, they aren't smart enough to buildcraft properly.
Dude, I’m a Titan main and I totally agree that we are really powerful right now, but you are talking total crap titans have been the worst class in game by far for a very very long time, that is why they have had so many buffs recently, and even with said buffs warlocks and hunter are still amazing in all content, all you have to do is look at the player analysis, hunters and warlocks are far more popular in terms of number of players and how long they have been meta, all that’s happening now is hunters crying because they are no longer the be all and end all of end game damage
@samuelbeckley1870 while i would like to say fair enough my tempest strike was not outdamaging your thundercrash with cuirass of the falling star, something that cannot be said for concecration + synthos against gg with celestial or star eaters
Golden gun will continue to be the meta in dps scenarios, the regen on it now is busted and you don’t use celestial for super regen, you use it as essentially a head start in dps.
@@samuelbeckley1870 The recent Buffs have been a result of Titan Players complaining about the Prismatic Kit. Titans have had the best PvE Kit for a long time only suffering when it came to Raid Boss DPS because of the Supers. You can argue that Build variety has been better on other Classes.
I can´t remember when Titan was the "worst Class by far" in PvE. Certainly not any time after Hammer Titan became viable years ago and it is still the best Build for Survivability and made Titan the best Class for Solo Content. As I said, Titan only suffered from variety and Boss DPS Supers (except for TCrash era) which doesn´t make it the worst Class when you keep Builds like Hammer Titan.
Class Popularity doesn´t tell you anything about how strong the Class is, especially when everyone wanted a Warlock for Well and a Hunter for Golden Gun/Tether. Raid Bosses, where both of these Classes shine, are just a small part of the Game.
Yes, all Classes are currently doing well in all Content but that doesn´t excuse overtuning.
Your last sentence is just a bs claim.
Based on your numbers, Bungie has successfully made the Hunter useless...
Still gonna use it anyways
Still Hunt/Celestial and Calibans/Liars joined the chat.
@@Voodoo_Occasionswhy use Caliban's liars when prismatic titan exists?
@@whatifwaterwaschunky7199 Consistent health chunks that aren't based on killing ads, access to navigator grapple spamming if you substitute liars with spirit of synthos, invis that isnt kill based, and a better prismatic grenade for dps cenarios.
Hunters had Celestial and Stillhunt and it got nerfed due to complaints. Now look at them.
Celestial/still hunt is still incredibly powerful lol wym
@@XxDeathxX509it’s really not that great and requires perfection to be competitive.
@@daycejohnson ''requires perfection to be competitive'' that's a lot of words to say ''skill issue''
@@Oberon4 ok, even if you do preform perfectly flinch can still F you over. I’ve had many times where my shot is perfectly lined up only to take a sniper shot that makes me miss. The only reason it was hard meta on witness is because he’s a giant crit that’s impossible to miss and there is no way to do any kind of melee damage.
Thing is though they expected people to use still hunt celestial, it was literally impossible without at least 3 on your fireteam. The witness was SO overtuned day one.
@daycejohnson Yeah, god forbid your 2 nukes don't have a counter and can't be used to nuke every living thing you encounter😂. Celestial/Still Hunt is still very powerful stop coping.
I'd love to see a video on best combinations for overall damage rotation. Like what super and weapon combinations are absolute peak damage per class.
I mean, objectively hunter supers are depressing compared to the other 2 lol.
Gotta love it when the dps class is pathetic
@@fettuccine9896 THIS! I just don't understand in a game where most play all classes and constantly complain about the actual DPS class being too strong in DPS scenarios is mental with the actual DPS class being weak in almost every other aspect it just never made any sense to me
@thesonofcosmos Still hunt/ Celestial is still the highest dps. He is testing total damage which has nothing to do with dps. No one had issues with Hunter dps except for bungie. People had an issue with hunters having better ability uptime than warlocks and more survivability than titans.
More survivability than titan ? Bro...
@Joker_Venom I am talking pre combination blow nerfs, liars, devour, and ivis, rifts, song of flame's dr, and phoenix dive. In early TFS knockout barely gave back any health and that was titan's only way of survivability on prism unless you had spirit of the assasin.
Raijjus harness was wrongly tested, it makes an explosion around YOURSELF so in order to buff the total damage you need to use it CQQ with the boss
It's been almost a week and the warlock main has yet to do a warlock super damage testing video XD
8:02 Got me speechless here
you can replicate that Star eater golden gun spam with six hunters now, seeing that the super is doesn't loose that super regen buff from having Star Eaters on- whereas with Nighthawk it isn't supposed to be able to get that super back super fast
With Raiju's, you need to pop it while directly over the enemy to apply the jolt damage early
aztecross when you're doing these tests set your frames at 60FPS, the lower frames you have the less Desyncing happens on the bosses
That ain't realistic for anyone above it tho, why would they cap frames to play at cap
hahaha the zoom when Cross was pissed 😂
Blight ranger needs to agro ads like bubble and shield do now for it to be of any use in general play tbh
Still won’t see use lol, nobody is using their super for something like that ESPECIALLY when something like unbreakable exists. Just purely useless.
Yeah, great suggestion! Also throw in free amplified.
Raiju's technically doesnt buff the actual super damage itself, but it does cause an explosion on cast that added a little bit.
Exactly, just a bit of extra damage on cast, provided you're nearby enough
Arcstrider main since 2018, what a fun super
I think for Blight Ranger, you need to cancel the super at the end to get the extra burst damage explosion as described.
Yep!
That Raiju Garhering Storm doing such low damage surprised me.
I heard you can stack Stareater and Raiden flux, was hoping aztecross would test this.
I’m pretty sure for Raiju’s Harness it’s better when there’s multiple enemies around to keep jolting and calling lightning down so for the vesper host boss it’s chunks him but for Greg it wouldn’t do too much
Crazy that Raiden Flux is now the 2nd best damage super
What was Celestial nighthawk w/ still hunt numbers? Yes I’m aware it was nerfed and done before but can’t find the video on this for some reason 10:32
To make this an even more top tier list if you assumed a standard dps then add that to figures you could get a decent total damage figure.
If golden gun marksman is a roaming super, I feel like storms edge should be as well(need that super regen bungo)
Appreciate your testing Cross!!
Apparently capping your frame rate to 60 or below helps a lot with the hit registration of melee lunge based attacks, such as Spectral Blades.
You should try it when you next have hit registration issues.
Classic meme when the WORST titan super was still better than the halfway point of the hunter supers lmao. Good thing we nerfed hunters though. Titans NEEDED to be the meta in EVERY activity.
I'll say this, no super should be doing less than damn 600k damage. Its depressing to seem some hit so low, when back then it was peak
14:44 oh hell naw editors you're evil for including this ☠️
Hunters need help compared to other classes supers
Nah, they were ability spamming in pvp, nerf pve to the fckn ground 😅
@@CymatixOneTwo completely different game modes
In pvp? So why punish the Pve community because of sweats in PVP? Maybe they should do that to all classes if that's the case.
@zylo8000 yes, but that's exactly what happened my dude.
@CymatixOne prismatic titan is just a hair under hunter in PvP, and titans have been the best in PvP for actual years pre prismatic. Should we tank their supers in PvE too?
New dps strat. Well + blight ranger to block damage and reflect while everyones behind your doing actual dps lol
i’ve never heard of this rodger’s harness exotic before🤭
I’m betting on spectral blade 🤞
Star eater deadfall is insane damage if you think about the enhanced debuff for urself it's nuts
I don't understand why Bungie game devs doesn't buff the damage for Stasis in a season dedicated specifically for it. And that goes for the 3 classes
Behemoth does NOT need a damage buff lmao
How much time it takes to do the 800k vs the 1.2 mil with radient flux matters.
Bungie needs to improve the hit registration for spectral blades as well as the titan strand super
Imo Hunter supers suck in comparison to titans(damage wise)... Let's wait for warlocks now
I’m just hoping he doesn’t add apotheosis veil ability spam into the damage and act as if it’s part of the damage of the super which defo shouldn’t count. also from what I know rn titans have the highest one and done (thunder crash) and highest roaming (glacial quake and even the shield one rn due to the accidental buff). I know those roaming supers are very specific for the encounters they work in and even thunder crash has encounters it doesn’t work in although axes are basically the same damage as nova so they are doing insanely well with super dps
What do you expect from hunters, all they do is roll around on the ground.
@223ndog
That's pvp tho?
@@RandomGuy-ci9nt hunters rule PvP and are cry babies in pve although the guy who commented on the video is correct about the super thing cus titans are just op rn so I’m not insulting him
These hinter mains be some kinda special 🤣
I am using spectral blades on my invis omnioculus hunter right now.... its working rly well to clean up waves of strong ads and as a bonus oh shit button. Rly like it now with the cooldown.
The raiju saga was hilarious
Each subclass needs a little transcendence grenade/melee. Just fill up an arc meter to get a super grenade. Non-prismatic feels bad right now.
10:25 for single targets. For multiple it’s kvostov
When you're testing something like Blight Ranger that reflects damage and you don't want your enemy to flinch, stop reflecting the damage at his face if you're not getting any sort of precision damage
I think arc compounding works with the moth build as well so it's just doing crazy damage rn.
0:01 Sound like my old Math Teacher talking to class. 😂😂
Aztecross having some choice fashion with hunters
I had around the same celestial super regen with my revision zero with vorpal on light burst
Raijus harness lightning strikes do roughly half of the initial hit of gathering storm.
Silently anticipating the warlock testing.
As a titan main, I gotta say;
Arc Hunter needs some serious love, alongside Arc Titan
Literally both of our designated punch it class for the light subclasses, and its absolute ASS. The only saving grace between the two of them is the yeet missile, and pre-nerf combination blow. Arc warlock is also a joke. You wanna talk about class identity, what about subclass identity? Nobody's coping harder for an identity rework than the entirety of base Arc, and it makes me sad
case and point why i stopped playing the game. Hunters suck right now so bad to the point I have only played titan for contest dungeon day and haven't touched it since then. I think I'm done until the next raid drops/D3
Cross why are you not dodging during arc staff with raiden flux and lethal current im sure it increases the speed of arc staff and procs lethal current
9:55 Did... Did he forget that he has to cancel the super with Blight Ranger for the extra damage at the end?
Y’all gotta relax. Dude is not a Hunter main. Hop in chat when he does these
I’m definitely more a fan of kne and done supers for boss phases just because you throw whatever you’re super is and essentially add about 500k damage from that with whatever dps your weapons and abilities can do. So raider might be meta now but I do not want to spend a whole damage phase wracking at a boss and that’s if they even can be melee damaged. I don’t see how the servitor for war lords ruin could be attacked by raiden so it’s nice there’s still good viable options outside of just raiden.
storms edge with stasis debuff on enemy, and the enemy is blinded and weakened
Really wish you would take full advantage of blight ranger and cancel at the boss' feet when the super is about to end.
Blight Ranger needs to pull aggro like Titan barricades/Bannershield/Unbreakable
Still can't beat Blade Barrage's activation sound. One of my favorites
I love this canadian man, who uploads whenever there is a new patch, and does testing with everything they changed in the patch.
editors i swear to god if i see another damage testing video and he doesn't cover the explosion damage of blight ranger im gonna go insane
wonder how much blight ranger does with the blinding cancel effect
Odd that Radiant buffs reflect damage on Blight Ranger. What a strange exotic
Yeah, makes me wonder if weapon surges work too.
How much extra damage do you get in prismatic?
#BuffHunters
Our class needs more, stop catering to the titan complainers
Tf do titans have to do with bungie nerfing you.
I felt like cross should have done Light Light Heavy for Spectral