ua-cam.com/video/Ch1dycjHSL8/v-deo.html,374s Ok, I'm gonna go on a bit of a tangent here. First of all, that entry said "Praline and Araline [citation needed]", not "Plalin and Alalin [citation needed". We still don't know where those original names came from. Did they come from a different source? Were they just placeholder names? Did those names come from a cat stepping on the writer of that article's keyboard? Am I digging too deep into things?
"people keep unsubscribing"? they subscribed to the conlang enthusiast rhythm heaven fan music person and unsubscribe because of rhythm heaven toki pona translations????
@@timothymclean as someone who follows them on Tumblr the caramelldansen video was the kind of thing I saw in my feed and was like "yeah that sounds about right" - doesn't mean I would have anticipated that tho lmao
I love knowing next to nothing about this language and still enjoying these videos. There’s something about jan Misali’s videos that always make them entertaining and informative. Hell, even “here’s tree” taught me that there’s a caption option for “English (India)”.
@@proxyprox I can write toki pona, and read s l o w l y, and I don't know how to go from here, my speaking and listening skills are not great because there is so little material
"because people keep unsubscribing" I wish that weren't the case, bc these toki pona translations of songs I've never heard of are really cool and it's a way to learn by immersion while also finding cool new music. Also 90% of these lines hit really close for me, I love how Toki Pona's vagueness almost lets you describe some things with MORE specificity. (for example, "sina suli e musi" - "you increase/make bigger the fun [sic]" is an idea I inherently understand even if there's not a direct way to say it in most natlangs)
The unsubscribing bit really doesn’t surprise me: most people subscribed are here for Conlang Critic, and it’s been well over a year since the last one. It doesn’t look like jan Misali has money as a priority tho, so they can just make whatever they want
this is one of those songs that's so trans it crosses the line from being "Yeah it's about accepting yourself more broadly but trans interpretations also make sense" to "yeah this song is about being trans but interpretations about accepting yourself more broadly also make sense" Anyway this song makes me cry and this translation is very fun
even as a teen i loved this song and it took me longer than it should've for me to realize why also low key why does no one talk about the robot going "oh yeah" at "i only wish i knew"
I found the thing about the gender interpretation/reading being intentional in this translation really interesting because like, it feels almost like an explicit admission of the subjectivity in the translation But thinking about it more, *every* song translation necessarily depends on however the translator decides to interpret the lyrics of the song, since a perfect, one-to-one translation which fits the melody and meter of the song and also miraculously has the exact same implications and themes and interpretations seems literally impossible? So like, probably best not to value “objectivity” in reference to translation (or even in reference to pieces of media in general) Anyway I realize what I just said wasn’t really about the translation itself other than as a jumping off point to my own train of thought, so here’s another thought I had while watching this: I think I’ve still yet to get the hang of the vagueness in toki pona. There was one moment in this video where there were a ton of ways to interpret “lukin”, but yesterday when I was reading through the lyrics it’d only occurred to me to interpret it as just meaning “see” in a completely literal sense with the possibility of other meanings not even occurring to me at all! So it was nice to have that sort of reminder that toki pona words are a lot broader in terms of meaning than what might occur to me at first glance! --- I completely understand if you decide it’d be best for the channel not to do more analyses for this album’s songs, but I just wanted to voice my appreciation for them! They’ve been so helpful in terms of motivating me to try and learn toki pona and to someday try translating songs myself, and it’s always so cool getting to see them and get a glimpse at some of the thoughts that went into making them! (I think I said something similar to that last bit on the moku Sutolokanopu video yesterday, but it’s still true lol) If you decide to keep doing more of these videos for songs from this album, I’d love to see one for tomo Napisa! The Vötgil caught me so off guard the first time (part of my brain was convinced it was English and it took until partway through my second listen to realize what it probably was lol) and I’d love to know what those lyrics meant! (Just occurred to me I wrote like 3 separate comments and just stitched them together into one lmao) (Edit: okay one last thing because I forgot to mention it, I just wanted to appreciate the gendery stuff and the fact that that was intentionally baked into this translation! I’d say it comes at a particularly gendery period in my life but let’s be honest, I’ve had no shortage of gendery times and I almost certainly will continue to moving forwards, but either way I really enjoyed it :D )
"not english enough to translate without prior knowledge of it but english enough to trigger your english-understanding reflex" is pretty much vötgil in a nutshell
it's so interesting to see how someone else translated this song!! I ended up translating "I only wish I knew" as "kijetesantakalu" bc even tho the syllables don't match I couldn't get it out of my head. also crying bc raccoons is funny to me and kinda gender (?)
@@StarryDragonKitten I'm not yet at a point where I can understand Toki Pona sentences without translating them into English. I read this as "In the light, you [will] see yourself and recognize your goodness." Very good. That conveys the intended sentiment excellently, I think :)
Damn, the song is right. Part of me feels like I should've heard this 2 years ago, but I don't think I'd have believed it. There's something overwhelming in going from avoiding mirrors like the plague to feeling that rush of euphoria every time you come across one. When you look at yourself and see you're beautiful. Watching my dreams become reality is the best part of transitioning for me 💖🏳️⚧️
It feels really FFVIII of the fanbase (there was a Galbadian Garden uprising where some people supported NORG and some supported the Kramers, but when all was said and done those that were left were more ready for battle than Galbadian Garden beforehand).
in my view, the only real interpretation of this song other than “it’s about being trans” is “it’s about being lesbian”. everything else kinda works but those two are the ones that are closest. it’s amazing because i’m fairly certain both are unintentional.
people are unsubscribing, huh? that's it then. i guess I'll just have to Mega Subscribe. i can only use this power once per lifetime, but i am prepared to make this sacrifice. ok gotta go train under a waterfall in preparation. wish me luck jan pona mi
These song translation videos are always a treat, writing translyrics and in general translating things with some constraints always lends itself to a lot of conversations on the nuance about how and why a certain translation was chosen c: Also Polyrythm jumpscare
These lyrical analysis videos have got to be one of my favorite types of your content. I am perfectly ok with you not making these anymore if they're causing your channel to go down in subscribers. Whatever you do is perfect.
I would love for you to make these for the other new songs!! Especially awen lon (was that what it was called? the still alive translation), portal music is amazing
full lyrics! jan li toki e ni: ni li ma mije sina ken ala ante e sina o sona e ni: sina ken kama jan pi wile sina a tawa sina li pona mute sijelo sina li pona lukin mi wile suno li wile pilin olin mi wile suno li wile pilin olin tenpo pini li ken ala weka sina wile jo e lon pi mani suno a, kalama musi li awen lon la sina tawa lon ma tomo telo li kama tan oko mi telo li kama tan oko mi telo li kama tan oko mi tan ni mi sona ala e tan kama la sina lukin e sina li pilin pona olin li pakala e sina li pakala e pilin sina la telo-oko-o awen sama telo sewi ni la sina ken lukin e sina li pilin pona sina ken open kama pona pilin sina li ken kama wan kin tenpo kama la wile ale sina li kama
Thank you for adding commentary to all of these lines, and making this video part rhythm heaven song and part visual essay! WAIT A SECOND WHAT DID I JUST SAY‽
i think they could sing decently before but at least in dreams of our conglang community the backup vocal they chose was a pitched-up version of themself and it was really distracting
I hate myself so much for not being able to write a conlang like Toki Pona and for not being cultured enough to know the content of a lot of Jan Misali videos
Sorry people keep unsubscribing, I personally find these videos extremely interesting and they've helped my creative process when translating stuff to toki pona a lot
I came to your channel for ConLang Critic but while I have little to no intention of learning toki pona every video you do abt or with it is fascinating. Please keep doing whatever makes you happy
Hey ik this is a bit of a weird req but for the second Cursed Conlang Circus we got a submission entirely in Toki Pona and we don’t really know how we’re gonna include it since none of us speak it so as a kind of Hail Mary joke suggestion someone suggested we have you translate it for us. If I’m correct it’s *hyperpona* so it should be a treat for you to go through if you wanna help us w it
Wonderful vocal performance!! This is the first one of these videos I've seen and I didn't know you sang, but it sounds great! I'm surprised because singing takes a lot of effort and time to be good at and I didn't realize thats something you were working on. Good job!
1:26 tenpo pini la mi kute e ni kepeken nasin nasa. mi pilin e ni: kalama musi ni li toki e nimi "omekapo" lon kipisi ni taso msa e ni: seme li lon? tenpo ni la mi sona e ni: kalama musi ni li toki e nimi "open kama pona" (before i watched this video, i misheard a lyric in this song as "......omekapo..." but i wasn't quite sure it was saying that. apparently it was "open kama pona"
I'm still trying to figure out the chant at the end. Can anyone make it out? I hear "o napi te" but that isn't a thing, so... Current guesses: o! kepeken! (do the thing?) ona pi tan! (because of you?) o Kapitan! (captain-act?)
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Ok, I'm gonna go on a bit of a tangent here. First of all, that entry said "Praline and Araline [citation needed]", not "Plalin and Alalin [citation needed". We still don't know where those original names came from. Did they come from a different source? Were they just placeholder names? Did those names come from a cat stepping on the writer of that article's keyboard? Am I digging too deep into things?
Spotify?
@@zasharan2 should be soon. I don't use spotify so just keep checking and it'll be there in the next few days at some point
@@zasharan2 open.spotify.com/album/050dkAroumxXnaqGRKrbw4
@@HBMmaster Can you please do more video essays and stuff
"people keep unsubscribing"? they subscribed to the conlang enthusiast rhythm heaven fan music person and unsubscribe because of rhythm heaven toki pona translations????
that's what i'm thinking, what did they expect
Needs more seximal?
@@bananacat3109 Their mistake was expecting anything at all. Name one reason someone would expect, say, the Caramelldansen video.
@@timothymclean as someone who follows them on Tumblr the caramelldansen video was the kind of thing I saw in my feed and was like "yeah that sounds about right" - doesn't mean I would have anticipated that tho lmao
nice pfp
I love knowing next to nothing about this language and still enjoying these videos. There’s something about jan Misali’s videos that always make them entertaining and informative. Hell, even “here’s tree” taught me that there’s a caption option for “English (India)”.
The way you phrase that seems to imply that learning toki pona is some kind of challenge
@@proxyprox no, not really
@@proxyprox I can write toki pona, and read s l o w l y, and I don't know how to go from here, my speaking and listening skills are not great because there is so little material
"because people keep unsubscribing"
I wish that weren't the case, bc these toki pona translations of songs I've never heard of are really cool and it's a way to learn by immersion while also finding cool new music. Also 90% of these lines hit really close for me, I love how Toki Pona's vagueness almost lets you describe some things with MORE specificity. (for example, "sina suli e musi" - "you increase/make bigger the fun [sic]" is an idea I inherently understand even if there's not a direct way to say it in most natlangs)
yeah i really like these videos i would love to see ones for the other two
The unsubscribing bit really doesn’t surprise me: most people subscribed are here for Conlang Critic, and it’s been well over a year since the last one. It doesn’t look like jan Misali has money as a priority tho, so they can just make whatever they want
@@Frszl Yeah that sounds about right: that or just any video essays to be honest, and even that was three months ago.
@@Frszl their whole channel's philosophy is pretty much "just make whatever you'd wanna see"
Also also, this is jan Misali. If you're not here for random videos that don't really match most of what he's made before, what _are_ you here for??
This is perfect! Also, your voice is very soothing. Very gender of you!
this is one of those songs that's so trans it crosses the line from being "Yeah it's about accepting yourself more broadly but trans interpretations also make sense" to "yeah this song is about being trans but interpretations about accepting yourself more broadly also make sense"
Anyway this song makes me cry and this translation is very fun
even as a teen i loved this song and it took me longer than it should've for me to realize why
also low key why does no one talk about the robot going "oh yeah" at "i only wish i knew"
Watching this while applying my purple nail polish and feeling pona lukin.
Yesssssss
Last night I painted my nails for the first time in months
Feeling pona lukin indeed :D
i am crying this is so beautiful and so gender
toki mu Temi o
I found the thing about the gender interpretation/reading being intentional in this translation really interesting because like, it feels almost like an explicit admission of the subjectivity in the translation
But thinking about it more, *every* song translation necessarily depends on however the translator decides to interpret the lyrics of the song, since a perfect, one-to-one translation which fits the melody and meter of the song and also miraculously has the exact same implications and themes and interpretations seems literally impossible? So like, probably best not to value “objectivity” in reference to translation (or even in reference to pieces of media in general)
Anyway I realize what I just said wasn’t really about the translation itself other than as a jumping off point to my own train of thought, so here’s another thought I had while watching this: I think I’ve still yet to get the hang of the vagueness in toki pona. There was one moment in this video where there were a ton of ways to interpret “lukin”, but yesterday when I was reading through the lyrics it’d only occurred to me to interpret it as just meaning “see” in a completely literal sense with the possibility of other meanings not even occurring to me at all! So it was nice to have that sort of reminder that toki pona words are a lot broader in terms of meaning than what might occur to me at first glance!
---
I completely understand if you decide it’d be best for the channel not to do more analyses for this album’s songs, but I just wanted to voice my appreciation for them! They’ve been so helpful in terms of motivating me to try and learn toki pona and to someday try translating songs myself, and it’s always so cool getting to see them and get a glimpse at some of the thoughts that went into making them! (I think I said something similar to that last bit on the moku Sutolokanopu video yesterday, but it’s still true lol)
If you decide to keep doing more of these videos for songs from this album, I’d love to see one for tomo Napisa! The Vötgil caught me so off guard the first time (part of my brain was convinced it was English and it took until partway through my second listen to realize what it probably was lol) and I’d love to know what those lyrics meant!
(Just occurred to me I wrote like 3 separate comments and just stitched them together into one lmao)
(Edit: okay one last thing because I forgot to mention it, I just wanted to appreciate the gendery stuff and the fact that that was intentionally baked into this translation! I’d say it comes at a particularly gendery period in my life but let’s be honest, I’ve had no shortage of gendery times and I almost certainly will continue to moving forwards, but either way I really enjoyed it :D )
Nicolas Rene will be here soon(?)
"not english enough to translate without prior knowledge of it but english enough to trigger your english-understanding reflex" is pretty much vötgil in a nutshell
it's so interesting to see how someone else translated this song!! I ended up translating "I only wish I knew" as "kijetesantakalu" bc even tho the syllables don't match I couldn't get it out of my head. also crying bc raccoons is funny to me and kinda gender (?)
very good. how'd you translate "someday you'll find yourself and realize that you're beautiful"?
As someone who's gender is best described as "raccoon-ferret," I think _kijetesantakalu_ is very gender kjfhlskjdfghsdkljfhg
@@HBMmaster "suno la sina lukin e sina e pona sina, a"
i’m cackling at 1 am
@@StarryDragonKitten I'm not yet at a point where I can understand Toki Pona sentences without translating them into English. I read this as "In the light, you [will] see yourself and recognize your goodness."
Very good. That conveys the intended sentiment excellently, I think :)
Damn, the song is right. Part of me feels like I should've heard this 2 years ago, but I don't think I'd have believed it. There's something overwhelming in going from avoiding mirrors like the plague to feeling that rush of euphoria every time you come across one. When you look at yourself and see you're beautiful. Watching my dreams become reality is the best part of transitioning for me 💖🏳️⚧️
Maybe I'm just getting used to it, but I could swear you're noticeably getting better at singing. It sounds less "forced", I think. More natural.
Also, if people keep unsubscribing, that just means that percentually, more of the people left _do_ like these videos!
It feels really FFVIII of the fanbase (there was a Galbadian Garden uprising where some people supported NORG and some supported the Kramers, but when all was said and done those that were left were more ready for battle than Galbadian Garden beforehand).
in my view, the only real interpretation of this song other than “it’s about being trans” is “it’s about being lesbian”.
everything else kinda works but those two are the ones that are closest. it’s amazing because i’m fairly certain both are unintentional.
Jan misali in 2024 will be exclusively Toki Pona covers
id be down for that
people are unsubscribing, huh? that's it then. i guess I'll just have to Mega Subscribe. i can only use this power once per lifetime, but i am prepared to make this sacrifice. ok gotta go train under a waterfall in preparation. wish me luck jan pona mi
These song translation videos are always a treat, writing translyrics and in general translating things with some constraints always lends itself to a lot of conversations on the nuance about how and why a certain translation was chosen c:
Also Polyrythm jumpscare
These lyrical analysis videos have got to be one of my favorite types of your content. I am perfectly ok with you not making these anymore if they're causing your channel to go down in subscribers. Whatever you do is perfect.
I would love for you to make these for the other new songs!! Especially awen lon (was that what it was called? the still alive translation), portal music is amazing
that is indeed what it was called
unless both of us are misremembering the same thing in the same way
Just wanted to say the singing in this is amazing! You did a really good job translating and singing the song
i literally manifested this earlier today i was thinking "what if jan Misali did a beautiful one day cover"
i love your singing so much
Gender af 🏳️⚧️
i know this is like way late but like. me too!! i love this song (with the 🏳️⚧️ emotion)
0:46 ala, kalama musi li "tenpo kama la pona lukin" li "awen lon" ala
that polyrhythm tune hit me like a load of bricks lol
full lyrics!
jan li toki e ni: ni li ma mije
sina ken ala ante e sina
o sona e ni: sina ken
kama jan pi wile sina a
tawa sina li pona mute
sijelo sina li pona lukin
mi wile suno li wile pilin olin
mi wile suno li wile pilin olin
tenpo pini li ken ala weka
sina wile jo e lon pi mani suno
a, kalama musi li awen lon
la sina tawa lon ma tomo
telo li kama tan oko mi
telo li kama tan oko mi
telo li kama tan oko mi tan ni
mi sona ala e tan
kama la sina lukin e sina li pilin pona
olin li pakala e sina
li pakala e pilin sina la
telo-oko-o awen sama telo sewi
ni la sina ken lukin e sina li pilin pona
sina ken open kama pona
pilin sina li ken kama wan kin
tenpo kama la wile ale sina li kama
Thank you for adding commentary to all of these lines, and making this video part rhythm heaven song and part visual essay!
WAIT A SECOND WHAT DID I JUST SAY‽
I really like these videos. Something about songs I know in a completely new language just captivates me.
now adding 'a great voice' to jan Misali's long list of talents 📝
i think they could sing decently before but at least in dreams of our conglang community the backup vocal they chose was a pitched-up version of themself and it was really distracting
So, this is it. This is the time I come back and listen to this and I start crying.
thanks jan Misali
you are a bastion for the toki pona community, as well as the reason that i began my trip to learn it. thank you very much !
I hate myself so much for not being able to write a conlang like Toki Pona and for not being cultured enough to know the content of a lot of Jan Misali videos
just become jan Sonja and jan Misali
@@dylanbksp idk who the first one is
@@ThumbsTup creator of toki pona I think
@@PureAsbestos oh, thanks
It’s fine. Most people can’t
jan misali after combining the best 2 niche interests possible
Sorry people keep unsubscribing, I personally find these videos extremely interesting and they've helped my creative process when translating stuff to toki pona a lot
I came to your channel for ConLang Critic but while I have little to no intention of learning toki pona every video you do abt or with it is fascinating. Please keep doing whatever makes you happy
this is my fav rhythm song and the song that where i really became a fan of rhythm heaven
0:42-0:54 kalama sina lon linja musi ni li pona mute a
always interesting hearing translations like this
this is awesome!!! i know nothing about toki pona but your covers are always really cool!!! keep up the good work 👍
Bro this is like, extra-superb! Plus, I LOVE REMIX 9! Good job Jan!
really awesome reading all these notes, this OWNS
mmmmmm very gender
aaa, my favorite fever sonnggg,,
These explanations always make me happy!
suno o seli pona lon sinpin lawa sina. tenpo suno ni o pona tawa sina
jan Misali
I love this.
Hey ik this is a bit of a weird req but for the second Cursed Conlang Circus we got a submission entirely in Toki Pona and we don’t really know how we’re gonna include it since none of us speak it so as a kind of Hail Mary joke suggestion someone suggested we have you translate it for us. If I’m correct it’s *hyperpona* so it should be a treat for you to go through if you wanna help us w it
damn man, your singing is getting better. i clicked on this and was like ??? is that Misali??? no way but, in fact, yes way
I find these videos interesting; sorry to hear people are unsubscribing over them :(
I’ve been waiting for this one
Wonderful vocal performance!! This is the first one of these videos I've seen and I didn't know you sang, but it sounds great! I'm surprised because singing takes a lot of effort and time to be good at and I didn't realize thats something you were working on. Good job!
Also remix 9 is trans as fuck and underrated as a whole so ty for this
1:33 polyrhythm tune starts if anyone needs it.
THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RHYTHM HEAVEN FEVER SONGS YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The unsubbing folks are COWARDS i stg
gender
My favorite of this recent batch by far
Amazing!
i really enjoy these videos they're like the perfect intersection of niche shit i like
the 'pona mute' at the end caught me by surprise, good job
OK IT'S ON
Goddamn! Your voice is amazing! Bravo Vinc- uh I mean Jan! 👏 👏
*Misali, jan is just the word for "person" being modified by their name
WHY DID I NEVER SEE THIS, THIS IS SO COOL
Are these made with Fluidvolt's Mother 3 soundfont?
pona!
another translation for me to memorize
kalama sina li pona suli (:
heck yea
NO WAIT WHAT POLYRHYTHM WHAT HUH
WHERE DID THAT COME FROM WHAT??! POLYRHYTHM
I'l have to watch this on the computer so i can pause and read all the liner notes!
letsgo!
The second verse will be translated.
good luck with that! let me know when it's done I'd love to see it
1:26 tenpo pini la mi kute e ni kepeken nasin nasa. mi pilin e ni: kalama musi ni li toki e nimi "omekapo" lon kipisi ni taso msa e ni: seme li lon? tenpo ni la mi sona e ni: kalama musi ni li toki e nimi "open kama pona"
(before i watched this video, i misheard a lyric in this song as "......omekapo..." but i wasn't quite sure it was saying that. apparently it was "open kama pona"
I'm still trying to figure out the chant at the end. Can anyone make it out? I hear "o napi te" but that isn't a thing, so...
Current guesses:
o! kepeken! (do the thing?)
ona pi tan! (because of you?)
o Kapitan! (captain-act?)
it's in japanese, would've been kinda cool if they recorded "o tawa tan jan!" or something
pona mute?
fork
It feels like a finnish person singing drunk
SHI
NING
GLA
MOUR
MA
NI
SU
NO
Trans rights
pona mute!
You used to be bad at singing, you’re a lot better, and this is a vid from over 1 year ago
why is there a pose for the fans out of nowhere
That's how the original is, ask the developers. Very fun though
where love rap
Sims language
Today is September foursyth.
Yesterday was September thirsy-fifth
it is now 1K6/14/33
what
Can you have something like a separate channel for music? No offence, but it sucks and I don’t want to see it in my notifications
sorry
rude
"no offense but it sucks" 💀 what's even the point of putting no offense
@@flamingolegs Agreed
ah the classic "no offense, but (something that is very much offense)"
gotta love it