Beyond Order: Rule 1- Don't Carelessly Denounce Social Institutions or Creative Achievement | EP 260
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- This compilation showcases clips surrounding Rule 1 from Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: “Do not carelessly denigrate social institutions or creative achievement.” These conversations feature the likes of Steven Pinker, Theo Von, Jonathan Haidt, Ben Shapiro, and more. We hope you enjoy part 2/14 of this compilation series!
-Chapters-
[0:00] Rule 1: Beyond Order on The Rubin Report
[06:20] Ben Shapiro’s Sunday Special
[10:46] This Past Weekend with Theo Von
[9:09] Juliette Fogra, Illustrator
[16:51] Identity Building, Chaos, & Impact Theory
[25:35] The Tim Ferriss Show: Psychedelics & The Bible
This was a cut-down version of the episode - to the full podcast on Spotify, iTunes, or any other major audio streaming platform.
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I don't use facebook or twitter, so I don't know where else to say this: I was at your event in Göteborg yesterday and it was awesome. Almost couldn't sleep because my head was spinning so hard with all the stuff to think about after your talk. Next time I hope I can afford one of the meet and greet tickets.
All social media is a tool to shape and change a certain narrative. So is MSM.
I hear ya - Lord Baktor! I can imagine.
@@invictus_They-Them_Nazi_Hunter go on, state your case...
@@invictus_They-Them_Nazi_Hunter we're listening.
@@RedwoodsNorCal you know it's not going to happen right ?
Mr. Peterson, at great cost to himself by putting himself out there for the world to throw rocks at, keeps knocking it out of the park as far as guidelines for living a quality life. Thank your Mr. Peterson.
At great cost to himself? Do you have any idea how much UA-cam pays if you have 5 million subscribers?
@@Paul-ew5st Do you not understand that having a ton of money does not make you happy. Sure he is being paid. And he should be. That does not fix his, yours, or my problems. The upper limit of money to happiness is $70,000 dollars a year. He is a sensitive man and you can see the emotional cost this has had on him.
If you really want to show your gratitude, learn from him,and act accordingly.
@@user-vg5rv5xf4u bigot
@@user-vg5rv5xf4u sexist
Dr Peterson you are my rock. I gave up bad habits and am doing so well now. I'm so grateful you exist. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
What bad habits
@@user-vg5rv5xf4u thanks to reading his book !!
@@badsanta7356 alcohol
@@babyroo555 Nice. I wanna give up the ganja.
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better
With Covid, the government has butted so incredibly much in our lives that it's hard to remain apolitical, wouldn't you agree?
Besides if Dr Peterson finds his values align more with conservatives, how does that make him a fraud? Does this alignment in any way disprove or undermine his work? No. And my goodness, if a clinical psychologist doesn't provided criticism of the mechanics of society then who will ???
Happy happy birthday Dr Peterson. I am a Jamaican woman the same age as you. You have helped me so much and I listen to you as often as I can. You are the voice of reason and common sense in a world that is making less and less sense. You are appreciated and loved.....keep on doing what you're doing it is a big help to so many. You are a wonderful gentleman. May God bless you and your lovely family. May you have many more years to share your wisdom with the world. Happy birthday Sir
🙏❤️🌿
We, as women, stand with you too. We all need father figures. It has helped me navigate my life as a female, in a jungle of perplexing narratives. Driven by people ,who do not have my best interest in mind, nor that of my young daughter. I was able to recognize that in time. It has changed our lives as a young family.
from a woman to another, much love
Your observation is one I wish I could have made thirty years ago while raising my daughter fatherless. She is still looking for herself. 😢
I'm not a woman but this man has been more a father figure to me than my own dad and I've never met Jordan but still his impact is astonishing.
I just want to pick at this a little
Has no woman ever been able to encapsulated the parental fortitude of man? Has no woman ever been able to instill decent values and raise a productive member of society?
I just mean, maybe, we(you) are using the term "father figure" as a place holder.
Boiled down version:
We just need positive values instilled. moms can instill the same values.
@@Rocksteady246 yo wassup ma boi
Sin abounds where good men do nothing, thanks for doing something Professor Peterson.
Denigrate (verb): criticize unfairly, disparage.
I had to look this up to fully understand. Thank you JP!
Many people find this word very offensive.
@@anomaly8751 What
@@anomaly8751 I find your picture "offensive"
@@timefortee That seems like a personal insult. You come across as aggressive and somewhat raciest.
@Ambient Music: To make you feel better He doesn't claim to be apolitical. Way to prove that you don't know who Jordan is at all. He has claimed that most of the stuff he talks about is apolitical, which is TRUE. He spends far more time talking about psychology, story and myth than he does about political issues
Love you/yours JBP! Thanks for helping us be better. That's so rare right now. My faux-news dad, my liberal woke sister, my suicidal 600lb brother, and my own weak self all listen to your lessons and appreciate your advice.
🙏✝️🙏 for your family 😔
your description of your family makes me feel so sorry for you, hope y'all get better! much love
You're not weak. You're open to improvement; It brought you here. Just follow that voice. The voice of reason.
Are you Stewie Griffin?
Your liberal woke sister listens to JBP?????
I am a conservative baby-boomer. My time has past. My opinions are for the most part reviled by the current generations. It is time for me to bow out of the discourse and watch the world become whatever it becomes. I never had privilege that I could recognize. I had a damn hard life when I was young. I worked in factories where people passed out from heat. I worked on farms and ranches picking produce, bucking hay, hauling bloated dead calves to a pit. I worked construction in brutal summer heat. I worked unblocking sewer pipes and toilets. Because I was not educated I did a million terrible things to get by. I eventually put myself through community college and have worked IT jobs ever since. I found a way out, but it took a lot of hard work.
Now I wonder what did all that accomplish? Was I able to gain some wisdom to pass along? Not really, because no one wants to hear what I have to say. I did some good for others along the way by providing, so there is that I suppose. But in the end I am just another sad old man who never hears a single word of encouragement. I am here just running out the clock. Eternity awaits.
I am a sojourner in this world,as I await the new kingdom that will come and replace all the ugliness of these days. Live simple and know,this life is short, all will stand in judgement, noone gets a pass.
@PeteZ, can totally relate. Believe though that it all has meaning, offer all to that Divine Power that makes the planets spin and gives us our breath. You are being sanctified for something far greater than this life. Head up, shoulders back, and press on.
@@peggyd2352 Not a Christian, but I feel the same.
@@elizabethneiberding3421 Not _too_ far up, though hahah Arrogance isn't pretty
Touched by your comment
I can always feel sadness in his voice and I think that since he's so smart and understands how things work, he realizes how almost everyone else doesn't realize and reach their totally achievable potential and sees that most of us has a biased way of thinking and viewing the world.
I want to thank you for writing this book I own both and I've learned so much about everything and how to make changes in my behavior. God bless Mr Peterson. greetings from Guanajuato Mexico.
Dr. Petersons remaining true to pushing for values that improve one’s quality of life is rare. With the number of detractors present not only on UA-cam but in life it says a lot about a person who can remain focused, and unshaken.
love these collages from all these different podcasts. Jordan's consistency and honesty is great to watch
thank you once again for changing my life and changing the world mr. Peterson keep up the hard work I love you very much
I just got your book from library and finished chapter one, this is amazing timing
Which one?
@@babyroo555 beyond order
I've listened to several of your debate videos and always found myself siding with your point of view. Today I found myself looking you up.
I really enjoyed your views on depression. My family has told me for decades I am severely depressed and need help. They buy me books (I never open), and even offered to pay for a shrink. Years ago I took my child to one, and it appeared to me they were taking notes to write a book just to show off to their peers.
Anyway, I'm going to follow your advice. I had many "wow, that's me", moments. Just wanted to say thank you.
Nice
This reminds me of Chesterton's Fence. Thankyou Jordan, for everything you are doing.
The speech he gave on the tour in Indianapolis about this chapter was amazing
things have taken lifetimes to build but today we feel we can dismiss everything on a basis that we think we are smarter than all that came before .
Yeah, like this current Supreme Court, and the January 6th scumbags. And of course, nobody had that attitude you describe more than THE BABY BOOMERS. Waaaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaaaaa, you tedious babies.
This chapter (essay) stands alone. I visit it quite frequently.
Do you remember when your dad visited you frequently, in the middle of night?
@@funkymunky empathy appears lacking, did I miss your criticism for sarcasm?
@@simonmasters3295 Let me know when you can fly, whistle colors, and move continents with your “empathy”.
Luv this compilation around your rules.I hope to see the rest in order.Cheers Jordy
I liked the simple question Theo Von was asking. It helped bring the philosophy into the perspective of current events.
Listening to you and feeling understood is a huge blessing. Thank you Dr.
Shapiro, Rubin and Peterson - 3 of my favorites in one interview! Love it! 💗
Just wanted to say that you're fight and reasearch against stupidity,is very much appreciated.stay well
Great video. Thank you!
To have Dr Peterson in the world at this time is such a blessing .
Very good video. Thanks
To be educated is to grow beyond one’s temperament, to paraphrase Dr. Peterson, and it is a brilliant observation, one of many in this podcast.
DEFINITELY ENJOYING "BEYOND ORDER" ! THANK GOD FOR DR. JORDAN PETERSON !
Great interviews as usual …
Excellent!
Jordan you make UA-cam worthwhile. Thank you ✝️❤️
People need to be brave enough to look at the world around us and see if we need to try and make it better. Be humble enough to look at the world around us and question if we really know better than everyone else in human history that built the social structures that brought humanity this far.
INDEED NEED TO MAKE SURE CORRECT OURSELF BEFORE ASKING ABOUT THAT QUESTION.. IF CONFIDENT I WON'T BRING ANY PROBLEM ... THEN I AM SAFE ...
Just bought this book three days ago. Great timing.
I love this episode
I love this man!
Perfect time to drop this! Hopefully we Americans can take a word from this.
Would be interesting to see a conversation between Peterson and Sadhguru
I think the family is where it starts. We must teach our children to be good and fair people. That's a start.
I started reading this book recently, it’s brilliant like the last one Dr. Peterson. Thank you for writing such an insightful piece of literature.
@@psychcowboy1 The fact that you cannot comprehend what Peterson says has more to do with your lack than Peterson's.
Might I suggest you finish Highschool, since most highschool graduates can understand Peterson, though with today's education system, with it's falling literacy rates, I'm beginning to doubt that...
Thank you 🙏
I say to the students in all sincerity, there is no possible way of attaining a quality or a desired attribute without claiming it. In order for an individual to consciously let go of a thing, he must have something that he feels is stronger to which he can anchor. As students become conscious of this, the confidence and strength will come to them to take the step.
You are one of the best sir. Love your intellect.
I'm so glad that you go on these shows and they respect you enough to hear you. Even if their questions are so limited. They project only their narrow-minded and linguistically adapted experience and they think you have a side. You are on humanity's side and your answers are always beyond the influence of one subgroup. You always raise above everything and give them your truth. Thank you
@@user-kk6kk5nw4w good one!🤣
Sounds like the Apollonian-Dionysian struggle, as depicted by Rush in the song "Hemispheres".
"When our weary world was young
The struggle of the ancients first began
The gods of love and reason
Sought alone to rule the fate of man
They battled through the ages
But still neither force would yield
The people were divided
Every soul a battlefield"
Happy Birthday In advance Mr. Peterson 😇
I love you Jordan , and your care in making decisions and changing your thoughts will help you when your thoughts about eternity finally fall into place, God bless you with that mind of Christ.
Good. The other 11 please. 🙂
Happy birthday JP!
With dominant ideology, is tearing families apart. I know a number of people that are going through the same thing than I am with families. A number people are going through it at once.
Love you man God bless
Wow, this clip has many bright points about how to reach the truth,
the question that was on my nerve for weeks!
@@ss-bt7yh My pleasure
I love you Mr Peterson
I love you Jordon Peterson with all my heart.
We're also unaware of all the things they denigrate us with, without a care in the world.
Thank you Jordan! I hope you liked our amphibous bus here in Gothenburg.
Very wise.
J.P is as crucial for the West as Moses was for the Israelites. Wish you health, strength and all the Love ❤️
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh Tom, you tickle me.
The long pause in the Theo interview would have also been a good ending but the way it ended is just hilarious
Do I sense a Beyond Order playlist coming up? 🤞🏻
Are we getting each rule into an individual video? You are a god
You thumbsuckers like rules, don't ya? lol.
I think the basis for the concept of denigration of social institutions rests on two things. First I think there is a common fallacy that older practices or institutions have less value with time. The next is that we could do any better than those before us and that we are just somehow smarter and wiser than they were, and yet history continues to repeat itself anyway.
Another thought is around innovation. Innovation is great and we need it but it doesn't necessarily require the complete destruction of predecessors. You could build onto those concept. I do think there is some level of selfishness where some want their mark in history as creating a new thing and being a pioneer.
*Jordan B Peterson Ben Shapiro The Rubin Report appreciate your readings 📚 Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Jordan*
Theo, despite his image as a fun loving care free dude, is a gem with many facets. 👍
About the bit about the country having gone through worse times... one thing I've always respected about Americans, is they have a knack for just making stuff happen. Not everyone, but in large part, Americans just somehow DO IT, whatever IT may be. Stay strong and most importantly free 🇺🇸 and 🇨🇦 too
Bravo Giordano :))
Hi Dr Peterson. Ive been trying to understand the 'thinking' of the 'younger' generation ie. Wokeism.
Im at a ripe age of 51 and lived in South Africa my whole life, (just to give a backround of my perspective)
Growing up as a kid and a (80s) teenager life was pretty regular,
ie. No internet. If u wanted to see the latest movie(s) you needed to get to the cinema, mostly by train, then walk for km's (miles) to get to movies. It was an event that was such a treat, get you popcorn and slush puppy, to get lost in the characters on the screen, the story line ect. And if you missed the movie youd wait months or years for the VHS to be avail to hire. Point been it took effort and in that, made it special! The same goes for music, (loved it from a very young age and still do) but access was limited, grew up with vinyls, lucklery my Dad had great taste in music, ie Fleetwood mac, Pink.floyd, rolling stones ect. Point been again that limited access made it more special,
Getting up early, putting on the headphones and get lost in the music, the lyrics, transport your mind , was almost spiritual for me.
( at the age of 11 I could recite the entire 'Rocky horror picture show album🙈) point been again things took effort, access and options were limited. And that gave it such value and was just so special, well to me.
Fast forward 30 years or so.and access and options are limitless, like literally, its insanely 'convenient', and I feel thats where a problem arises, its not special anymore, nothings special, its to easy
(This is probably the only problem I have with capitalism) So now the younger generation have turned all their attention on themselves, thanks to tic tok, youtube ect,(broadly speaking) so now they completely and utterly self obsessed and has contributed/led to a generation of narcissist's, wokeists (dont think thats a real word🤔) Ive just used movies an music as a example, obviously their are many differances which resulted to this time and 'dilemma', (loss of respect is a huge factor I feel, but thats another long message) anyway if youve read this entire message thank you Dr, I know Ive taken a long time to get to a 'simple' point.
God bless
🙏🇿🇦😎
I don't carelessly denigrate social institutions, I also don't carelessly defend them either.
I was thinking the same thing. Surely there’s a tipping point where the institutional rot is so far gone that it’s more economic to simply build a new one. We literally have that with cars, where sometimes the repair bill can’t justify the car’s continued existence- to the junkyard it goes and a new car is bought (or built).
Take Universities as an example- maybe we need a new car, because I don’t see us chopping out the rot of Marxist bureaucrats and possessed feminist lecturers. Even STEM fields seem dense with mediocre minds who hide behind their titles. And they cost a lot of resources to pay for whatever dividends society obtains from their labours. Not to mention the corruption of soft science (psychology) by the Marxist shit.
You changed the rule...adapted it...well done
Picking @ Tha bones of convention.
Pescador de Hombres! I was raised Catholic and I'm very grateful for the focus of the Virgin Mary that the Church has. It truly helped when I listened to you as a mother- it all fell into place. She's very important. I wanted to ask you about another Mary- Mary Magdalene. Why do you think that Mary Magdalene was the first to see Jesus resurrected, and related to that event, I ask you what do you think she saw, exactly, a d why does Jesus ask that she not touch him? What did he mean? I'd love to know your opinion. Gracias! Te amo! I'm very grateful for my name.
All new institutions.. more decentralized. More structure and discipline. More emphasis on having a family. 👪
I agree with the constructivist process that we should build on old ideas as we learn more rather than toss it out as obsolete.
The hierarchy pyramid favors the stupid, perverse and the oppressed so we need to return.
They want god out but without god we have no rights and are ruled by man's law which favors one class of people over another.
I love Jordan peterson
I was defeated by childhood abuse by the age of 12 so missed out on being a teenager and a young adult. It's not a right, because you can't compel incompetent narcissistic parents to put in the work needed to care for their kids, and the state rarely does a better job.
Similar story, but my older brother was put into foster care before my mother gave custody of me to a sexual abuser after my physically abusive father died. He protected us from my mother's words and actions which at surface level looked more kind but in reality was far more abusive.
The state taught me how to sell drugs by 6th grade. Foster care was an important step in our little operation back then. The foster parents needed extra income and my brother had free time if he had already paid for it.
The state doesn't fix bad families, it only teaches kids hard lessons while breaking apart everything that they are familiar with.
JP you'll probably never read this but, if you do, it would be awesome if you did a series on in-depth analysis of difficult books like Beyond Good and Eveil. I tried getting into Beyond Good and Evil but feel like I'm not getting nearly enough out of it.
These books just end up being parenting for generations that have been culturally destroyed over 100 years by social engineering efforts of stabilizing the North American continent due to it's diversity of peoples. Good luck, you're gonna need it because that's how all empires end in the end.
gold
Innovative artists and musicians are everywhere. Take the time to find them.
Reject modernity, embrace responsibility.
Roughly speaking
rEsPeCt MuH rEsPoNsIbIlItY
@@jasbadsirron6424 Ceding responsibility for harmony is irresponsible by definition, I would think. The ignorance would be to assume an authority promising to be responsible enough to maintain harmony if you will only trade your responsibility for it would be capable and righteous enough to keep that promise. Is this not the precise problem freedom loving countries face, always and forever?
I liked this comment. You’re putting my thoughts into words more eloquently than I could have.
Jordan talks a good talk, but he doesn’t really put forward a lot of actionable solutions that would fix the situation we face. Behind his sophistry is a lot of bullshit and bluster. But he’s articulate and he appeals to the emotions of the disenfranchised, and consequently he makes lots of money selling books to emotionally damaged young men whom he does very little to help in the long-term.
But he’s a sign of the narcissism of the times I guess: does absolutely nothing of real measurable value and gets rich in the process. But ‘that’s Capitalism for you folks’. Funnily enough, that’s also a problem with the institutions. They become breeding grounds of mediocre scholarship and scholar, propped up by their title and the real genius of their forebears.
This is awesome
If you can't fix your own life using the insights provided by Mr. Peterson, you're either unwilling or unable to fix yourself at all.
Please come to The Netherlands in your next tour, 'cause if you do, my god, you have no idea how much that will help our country.
Ben S, definitely speaks faster and faster every interview!
We need rules, but we need them to be fluid. Rules that are at it's core the same as they've always been, but in light off new information they need to be fluid enough to include the consequences of those changes.
JBP, love your life’s work. Safe travels in Europe! Beware of the Swedes!
I want to make my life better, I belive listening to you will put me on this path
Mr. Peterson, could you study the "I-Ching"? It will provide a new philosophical lens to see the world. It is used for thousands of years in Asia, but we know little of it.
🤣 “I hate Satan” -Theo
So the apocalypse is genesis? We become conscious, that we’re doomed, is a concept that we know very early on.
RIP JOSH CARSTENS
"To the intelligent man or woman the world is infinitely interesting and mysterious. But the stupid have an answer for every question." Edward Abbey
If it’s evil turn away from it. If it is good it’s gods gift so embrace it
That’s a slippery slope as to what’s considered evil and what some consider good or “God’s gift”
@@AH-fh3kx hahahahhhah plssss i wannnna get out from this cave weh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP ME PLSSSSS
@@nooraslindawati what?
Doc speaking slowly helps a lot 😂, struggling to understand what Ben said
I'm an conservative with 100% score in openess, and I do not see any issue in it.
I would say :
"The world should go to hell
but I should also have my tea."
Fyodor Dostoevsky.
"You didnt earn being young." I've been more and more keen about the words and phrases JP has been using. What does he mean I didn't earn it? Being young wasn't given to me in the same way that my parents earned it, and their parents did. I can't tell you exactly how we earned it but it's definitely something we earned as a result of the work my parents put in on this planet. The cost was whatever work had to go in towards making me. I'm not going to pretend that I owe them something because of that. Maybe I owe them in the sense that they provided me with what they did to have me be the person I am but how do I owe them when the result of them getting what they paid for Is harvesting itself on its own. Isn't it? Where am i confused?
He means that YOU, personally, have done nothing to earn your youth. Youth was given to you just the same as it is given to everyone else.
@@Joseph-C what does it mean to earn your youth?
Can you do more content like this? Or could you just create and post some playlists of video and content you recomend people to watch? From books, to psych, and beyond? Just topics, or speakers you recommend?
Theo says what we're all thinking
Really struck by the comments about the deep roots of meaning, the balance of order and novelty (chaos) as represented in Heaven/Paradise. So often the concept of Heaven is focused on order (absence of pain, presence of plenty), even in worship, I wonder what in Heaven represents the novelty?
New artists are ever present. Open your mind some more and you will find them and their work.
Sir, I would humbly ask that you talk about your feeling on world government. I know you understand what I am asking. Please make an epic video for all platforms. It needs to be talked about more than anything else. Its the why to it all. Even the why to the mental anguish and mental ineptness of the western world right now. Please, for the sake of humanity, address this topic. ** World Government **.
WHERE IS THE APS MY LOVELY PEP!!! Sob sob sob sob sob ... booooombbasticcc aps meh alll in one shit... i know some-oone just delay their task tot that i am not going out rite better admit that !!! i know this is y no one ever reply abt the APS hahahhahahhahahhahaha ....
I want to see a Jordan Peterson interview with Van from LFR Family.