Both submarines are excellent. The Astute class is larger by nearly 50%, hence its weapon load is much more important and it can remain at sea longer. It is also reputed to be very quiet. The Barracuda is more recent, so its sensors may be even better and it may be even quieter than the Astute thanks to more recent stealthy technologies. It also carries the most recent heavy torpedo worldwide which is a very useful asset. Both subs should not be compared directly, they do not fulfill exactly the same needs, but are at the top of attack subs worldwide and better than their eastern counterparts.
@@yanisgyd6084 Actually “Thales underwater systems” is a British based company which was originally called “TMS”. It was owned by BAE before having the majority (49.9%) of its shares sold to Thales. Thales is effectively just the holding company. It’s like BAE Systems AB is just the holding company for the Swedish firm “Hägglunds AB “. I know this because I live across from the factory in Glasgow. It also means that Thales cannot freely give the French military the license to use it which British approval. The same reason why Britain cannot use the BAE US developed Rail gun without US approval.
@@scottwhitley3392 TUS is a fusion so TMS is a part of this fusion. The headquarter is in Sophia Antipolis France. But maybe you are right. Maybe you have info that i don't have and the UK may have rights over some technologies. But it is still hard to believe as France value greatly it's sovereignty in domestic military equipment so France tend to control the entire system specially the sonar system which is the most critical component of a sub.
Yeah the exact speed is classified for all subs. I think 25 knots was one of the early benchmark tests for Astute which would explain why the uploader thinks this. All we know for sure is that the Astute class has been tested at 30 knots
@@Wow55579 I don't care at all about the astute submarine, know that it is France which has manufactured several electronic parts so we know very well what it has. You say that all submarines can deploy combat swimmers and I am talking about drones and mini deployable submarines with a payload or combat swimmers inside. It is not the same.
The British one runs on an Earl Gray 5th Generation Crumpet Supercharged Nuclear reactor, with redundant Red Dwarf diesel backup generators. Although, this information is UNCONFIRMED.
British design are very strange but it works. I've been always amazed by their logic. It WORKS! The only problem on British submarines is "90 days of food". 90 days of BRITISH food!!!!
@@brunodn9702 British food is actually very good. The main difference between the two hunter killer subs however is that the French one has far more reverse gears.
UK can't even deploy 1 sub at the moment , few month back all 4 Astute were in all maintenance... Loads of technical problems that are still not fixed 18 years after the start of the program mostly due to the design software CAO3D, UK needed the help of general dynamics and their project manager to complete the first one. The MOD also made a lot of jobs cuts in the industrie leading to lost of competence. 56 month delay for the first unit and 53% over budget. The fist unit as already 12 years of life will they ares still missing 3 unit in active service. The PWRA2 is potentially vulnerable to structural defiance, in 2012 they had a radioactive leak in the system closed system they only disclosed it to the public in 2014 with a staggering repair cost of around 230 mpounds. As of 2023 UK can't aligne even one attack submarine. the 30 August 2023 Navy lookout showed that the totality of attack class submarine were in maintenance in harbor. The devolvement and construction is taking ages 16 years for 7 units VS Barracuda class will take only 8 years for 6 units . After all that the ASTUTE Class is a formidable machine when they actually work they do look kind of badass i love their design. Kind of same for the Type 45 who as more time in dock than at sea. For those who speak French I can recommend this video " Le problème des sous-marins nucléaires d'attaques anglais ?" form GaliBellum military channel, well done documentary on this class of subs.
@@dulls8475 No, but I which our beloved neighbor could fix their navy issue, not talking about the units themselves or the valor of the sailors and the experience of the commandment, but more about the MOD and their poor vision and budgeting to maintain what was once a formidable force . Greetings from the other side of the Channel
A major difference is the X shaped rudder on Barracuda (and retractable dive planes) whereas the Astute has the traditional cross shaped rudder. X shaped offer better maneuvrability and are smaller (reducing drag and noise). The X shaped rudders are now used on most modern subs like Columbia, Dreadnought, Tagei, Type 214, etc.... We can thank the Dutch who pionneered the X shaped rudder on the Walrus class 👍
Instead to compare or oppose them don't be silly. Look at about the Lancaster treaty signed between France & the UK in 2010. It says that in case of open conflict against the UK or France they are both defending themselves. That's GREAT !!!. SO STOP TO CRITICISE because we are allies about nuclear conflict.
@@doublebarrel8153 :-US Nuclear submarine doesn't need to be refueled before 33 years but currently US is working on reactor which doesn't need refueling for 50 years. In that context where does Yaseen reactor stand?
You're thinking of Trident SLBMs used in Royal Navy Vanguard class submarines. The Astute class is nuclear powered but it doesn't carry nuclear warheads.
because you are still thinking, contract/nb of boats. you forget the industrialisation, the infrastructures, the Australian specification... Don't forget that the Australian dollar lost 30% of it's value.
Also beyond what the guy above said.... It is 1.3 billion dollars (US dollars). The 90 billion you're talking about is the total cost of the program (R&D, design, construction, maintenance over the years of service etc). The total value of the contract in US dollars was 65 billion. The 90 billion are the value in Australian dollars.
QUESTION: If the price of these UK or French nuclear subs are both under two billion dollars ($2B) for each sub then come in the AUKUS deal Australians are being told we are going to have to pay thirty billion ($30B) for each AUKUS submarine ? ? ?
American and British submarine use weapons grade nuclear fuel. French submarine use non weapon greed nuclear fuel that's why they need to be refuel every 10 years . the use the same nuclear fuel you would use in nuclear power plant. The British and American submarine are violating the non-proliferation nuclear weapon treaty,
they is no comparison how many more torpedoes or how fast it goes or how many more torpedoe tubes mean noting what you it should be asking is how good the crew training is how good is the discipline what are the weather conditions like and morale
So begins another pointless nationalistic pissing contest, here's an idea get off the UA-cam comment section and enlist in your national military it will give you a whole new perspective.
Tbh it usually because the U.K. spends a lot money a small amount a very technologically advanced equipment. The U.K. spends the same amount as Russia and India but has 1/10 the size of military personnel. So it’s obvious that more goes on making better equipment.
@@scottwhitley3392 Meh... The same argument applies to France though. So that's not much of a point when you're comparing the Barracuda to the Astute. France and the UK have similar economies, populations and similarly sized militaries. Yet the same France is the world's third most successful weapon manufacturer (after the US and Russia) and currently 3 times as much in value as the UK does. In sum, Trevor and you are just displaying the good ol' British jingoism lol. The British scream everywhere they go that whatever they build "is the best" but it never translates to the market as most in the relevant spheres obviously don't think that. It is essentially a British circus. In the real world, American, Russian, French and German (in that order) defence weapons and systems are all more sought after than British ones. The market speaks for itself. Even China has become a more commercially successful weapon manufacturer than the UK in the last 2 or 3 years, which is frankly embarrassing.
@@Itachi951000 never heard so much rubbish in all my life we are third biggest arms dealers in world,5 richest country in world and to say China are selling more arms and technology is better than uk your talking utter crap 💩
@@trevormappley Yeah yeah and yet France still is a far more successful exporter. Funny how that works, uh? You thought Australia chose to partner with the US over France because of submarine quality and not because the former is much more apt to guarantee Australia's security in the South China Sea than France is?! France's deal with Australia wasn't even about nuclear subs but conventional diesel-powered ones, which Australia specifically asked for. What is the comparison about? There are opinions and there simple hard facts. It literally takes a single google search to access the ranking of the world's arms dealers, even if you're not knowlegeable about the global defence sector. This include the "Market share of the leading exporters of major weapons between 2016 and 2020, by country" from Statista or "Arms exports - Country rankings" by Theglobaleconomy site. There is even a wikipedia page on arms exporters with a ranking on the "Arms industry" page. You seriously thought the UK was the 3rd arms exporters? Even snapping the French sub deal (if.... IF... Australia chose your boat and not the American one) isn't going to help the UK get past France in the rankings LMAO. The UK needs to get past the likes of Germany or China first.
@@drtak4512 lol but only 1 of our challenger 2 tanks have been destroyed and that w2as by another challenger 2 they have been in some of the worst urban conflicts in the last 50 years. russia on the other hand in 4 weeks lost a third of its tanks i dont think you can make comments like that with the beating your getting of a few rebel ukranians and some western tech m8.
Perhaps it would have been better if you had compared them to the current US and Russian subs. Especially as it is not likely that they would ever be engaged in combat against each other. On the other hand they would both probably engaged against the US subs in war games. And if the war in Ukraine gets out of hand they would go against the Russian subs.
I confess I have no information on the Russian attack submarines. But if they are at the level of tanks, planes, helicopters, communications ... of the Russian army in Ukraine we have no fear to have! If someone has competences in this field (except Russian Troll of course!) ?
@@williamrolland2253 why do you think a western tank can survive in an urban environnement full of javelins and NLAW ? Or an apachi over a forest full of manpads ?? Dont compare two things unless they were put in the same context.
@@drtak4512 A tank has no place in an urban area, it is a tactical aberration. For modern tanks like the Leclerc in comparison with Russian tanks they can : Not shoot while driving but hit a target while driving several kilometers away and therefore can be used on the move. They have a last generation armor They are very fast Despite this, thanks to their armor, engines, exhaust system ... they have a very low heat signature limiting the use of infrared missile They have countermeasures such as smoke, infrared decoys, fragmentation grenades... The ammunition bay is in a separate compartment from the tank and can be ejected if the tank is hit, limiting the risk of explosion. Seeing a Leclerc tank in combat is something else than the Russian tanks we see in Ukraine. It is comparing a WWII fighter plane and an F22. They are not invulnerable, but they are designed to withstand modern anti-tank weapons and to fight wars on the move. On the other hand they are absolutely not designed for urban combat.
In France, it is said, "Better a small valorous one than a big soft one." Here, it's also the case, especially since the Barracuda is the only one in the world to launch missiles against planes flying over it. Comparing the sizes of weapons of war isn't so relevant; look at the numbers of battles the English have won with smaller, swifter ships.
it is clear that what makes the power of a submarine are what you call (sensor and processing) and these two submarines are 100% French on that side! it is therefore obvious that the french have the technological advantage to manufacture submarines!
Thales, which is a French company, provides the Sonar and the optronics mast for astute class. Astute also uses Tomahawk cruise missile and Raytheon IFF system. The Astute Submarine concept selected the best system for its needs, irrespective of origin. The French system only uses French technology, even if is not always the best technology available. This is why I think that the Astute is a superior submarine. Even if the Suffren is more ‘French’ than the Astute is ‘British’ . Merci.
@@raph5907 the truth is we do not know for sure which is the most discreet as this information is classified and is almost never shared, even between allies. Perhaps the Suffren class is slightly more discreet, but the Astute caries more payload of weapons, has 6 , rather than 4 torpedo tubes and has perhaps the best towed sonar array in the world
@@mnnh1 as you say those are classified information, and I think they have the same power. I also think that these two subs would make a good duo. If not, for discretion, it was the Minister of the Armies himself who affirmed that the Suffren had been built with the aim of being as discret as schrimps
Furthermore, the Marine National has a contract with Naval Group to build only 6 submarines. Lol! It’s not enough, mon ami! Uk is building already 7 Astute Class. This is before AUKUS deal was signed. Royal Navy will build even more for sure after AUKUS deal is completed. US Navy is proposing 65 Virginia Class!
Let's say that the Astute was designed to do at least 30 kn, Im guessing about the Baraccuda as its less advanced reactor, like the Trafalgar class, which is similar in size and could do 25 kn. This is not top secret information just an educated guess.. Also, if its classified, why are you stating the estimated speeds if you don't know. Its widely known that the Astute was having problems reaching its designed speed (30kn) which it eventually overcame.
It's not a "less advanced reactor" it's a different reactor, LEU for the Suffren class and HEU for the Astute class, LEU is overall cheaper and safer but require to be refueled every 10 years while HEU reactors can last for most of the lifetime of the submarine. Power output is not related to HEU or LEU but rather the reactor design.
The speed was not only limited due to specific configuration issues of the main gearing and propeller assembly, but also the inability to cool the reactor sufficiently which limited it's production capability. Once they figured out what the right gears where and at what pitch you should set them at what speed, and of course somebody managed to tell a linear actuator that it's not 50/50% from a middle point but 0/100% from a closed to open range, cooling wasn't an issue either anymore. Funnily they never really shown any figures anymore after the teething problems where dealt with, knowing full well that the reported performance figures are comparable to a racehorse with an infected foot.
So we are told Australia needs British or American nuclear-powered (as opposed to diesel) submarines and ones which are more modern. Yet the Barracuda class IS nuclear-powered (Australia insisted on conversion of the design to diesel) and is more modern than the British offering. What part of this Australian government narrative is supposed to be coherent?
Australia may have insisted on the fact that it wanted nuclear submarines, but France respects the rules, including that of nuclear non-proliferation, unlike some countries... And I would like to remind you that the Australians' initial choice was conventional propulsion, this choice is partly explained by Australia's relationship with nuclear power in general, I invite you to ask Australians what they think of nuclear power...
@@srubi1319 the political context was post-Fukushima. But one of the reasons because France originally won, was that production could later be switched to nuclear if the p9litical climate changed. France kept offering the (more ecpensive) Nuclar option from the start up to when Australia broke the deal.
The coherence lies in the refuelling needs of the Barracuda and the lack of an Australian civilian nuclear power industry to be able to support the refuelling of nuclear submarines. That was the killer factor for any idea of using the French design. The UK and USA nuclear submarines are stated to not need refuelling for the life of the boat.
What makes me laugh all the comments on here from French subscribers going on about how “Thales is a French company”. That my friends, is a complete and utter joke considering the sensor technology used in the Astute descends from RACAL which was a premiere British electronics company that Thompson-CSF purchased. Also, most of the sensor technology employed in the Barracuda uses technology supplied by THALES U.K. which in turn originated from RACAL. 😄😄
Thales IS French, whether you like it or not, it won't change the reality. Besides, know that the propulsion system of the Astute class is tested in France. 😘
@@srubi1319 “The Astute propulsion system is tested in France“ 😀You’re talking about the barracuda not the Astute, that propulsion system (like much else) is tested in the Devonshire Dock, Barrow.
So you're saying, Thompson-CSF ( a French company) bought Racal (a British one) which then became Thales group, which is French state-owned at 25% and Dassault Aviation owned at another 25%, which accounts to over 60% of the voting rights, somewhat is a British company? How does it make sense again?
In 1999, as part of the merger of Marconi Electronic Systems (as GEC-Marconi had become), and British Aerospace, the new BAE Systems held 49.9% of TMS, which it sold to Thales (the new name for Thomson-CSF) in 2001. Thomson Marconi Sonar was renamed Thales Underwater Systems and the original part of MUSL became part of BAE Systems. The UK headquarters of TUS is at Templecombe. Thales Underwater system- 49.9% share (MUSL) BAE- 51.1% Not because it was named Thales wholly owned by THALES.
cbhooi330 liked this video .... he is only liking videos about military OR young girls that are dancing... Im very sad for him, he looks like he is still stuck in the old cold war :( and he needs to work for the gourvernment :,( comments are always disabled at cbhooi330 videos :( im sad
as usual compare 2 totally different sub... baracuda is closer to a seawolf rules a swiss knife that can do anything. and astute closer to a akula rules...
@@Solveig.Tissot He didn’t really say that though did he?? As for Dunkirk do you think we should have thrown away all our soldiers lives? Ps The Royal Navy sank more french ships than the Germans did 😉
- For. Indeed better armament capacities. But is heavier. - By the way, for the both, no vertical launch systems for cruise missile. - Cons. British food.
If that is true its not Information you should be readily spreading on the Internet, submarines are a "silent service" for a reason, now obviously I have no idea of who you are, you may even serve on a sub, but I still would suggest with all respect that if you KNOW specific details about the weapon platforms, my (admittedly) rather ignorant advice would be to keepnet to yourself 😁 you know just incase 😁
No, neither speeds in this video are accurate for security reasons. But the French sub is a different sub than the UK sub, that comparative video is not really adequate. The Barracuda's power/weight ratio is greater than that of the Astute so it should be a tad faster. But again, different Subs.
The English one has as a second name Dunkirk, in memory of the escape of the British during WWII, and its third name is HMS Sheffield, whose new inhabitants are the fish...
"The Barracuda is more recent, so its sensors may be even better and it may be even quieter than the Astute thanks to more recent stealthy technologies. It also carries the most recent heavy torpedo worldwide which is a very useful asset." The Astute Is superior ????
@@glastonbury4304 And maybe you'll be able to read next year ? And maybe you'll be able to read next year? Don't be discouraged, even the less clever can do it, look at Boris!
The Australian subs will be very different from the current types. The design will be specific to the Australian Navy's requirements. They will have long range and low maintenance equipment. They will carry more advanced sonar and weapons systems.
Australia will get a off the shelf build. As now every month counts without one in service. No time for " custom builds" or even a dunny mod. Years have passed as australia sat on its hands.
Always the same with Australians, they think they have " special needs" that havent been created before, or design features that only they can build. And when it comes to the nuts and bolts of it, they cannot design a car or build it, even with government subventions and 1000s of skilled aussie workers.
Barracuda class is better than Astute, by far. Moreover, the French components which have inside, and the sonar will be restrained compared to the national versions. Moreover, the Barracuda are more recent.
CONGRATULATIONS UK GOVERNMENT BUT PLEASE INCREASE MILITARY PERSONNEL AND UNCLEAR WARHEADS AND BALLISTIC MISSILES AND UNCLEAR WEAPONS AND UNCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
stupid the astute class speed would be 30 plus knots . you put the dimenions as very similar yet astute is twice the tonnage which would indicate a superior diving depth but you are trying to say the barracuda can dive deeper even though it has a thinner hull ......... back to school for you
Specs in the video is not accurate speed, dive depth all those things are classified I've made video based on data from various military website's Thanks for leaving a comment 😊
Right now the Astute is a far superior Submarine, the Suffren class(Barracuda was only the project name) right now is a very immature design and the French Navy will still be ironing out bugs, compare that to the Astute class which has been operating now for 12 years
It's funny because this famous ''white flag'' was almost taken out by British troops in Dunkirk in 1940, fortunately the French army was there to catch up...
@@srubi1319 British and French . We all returned to fight another day . Not just let the Germans roll across France . Thank God you lot had the Resistance
@@darrenwales1092 But it was indeed the French troops who fought for the evacuation to be a success, and for the British army not to be annihilated... The spirit of resistance has always been part of the French, and it is thanks to this that the Normandy landings were possible.
Both submarines are excellent. The Astute class is larger by nearly 50%, hence its weapon load is much more important and it can remain at sea longer. It is also reputed to be very quiet. The Barracuda is more recent, so its sensors may be even better and it may be even quieter than the Astute thanks to more recent stealthy technologies. It also carries the most recent heavy torpedo worldwide which is a very useful asset. Both subs should not be compared directly, they do not fulfill exactly the same needs, but are at the top of attack subs worldwide and better than their eastern counterparts.
Depends. The British lead the world in radar and sonar technology. Also their newest astute submarines will be given the latest updated equipment.
@@scottwhitley3392 well the astute use a french sonar
@@yanisgyd6084 Actually “Thales underwater systems” is a British based company which was originally called “TMS”. It was owned by BAE before having the majority (49.9%) of its shares sold to Thales. Thales is effectively just the holding company. It’s like BAE Systems AB is just the holding company for the Swedish firm “Hägglunds AB “. I know this because I live across from the factory in Glasgow. It also means that Thales cannot freely give the French military the license to use it which British approval. The same reason why Britain cannot use the BAE US developed Rail gun without US approval.
@@scottwhitley3392 TUS is a fusion so TMS is a part of this fusion. The headquarter is in Sophia Antipolis France. But maybe you are right. Maybe you have info that i don't have and the UK may have rights over some technologies. But it is still hard to believe as France value greatly it's sovereignty in domestic military equipment so France tend to control the entire system specially the sonar system which is the most critical component of a sub.
@@scottwhitley3392 they literally use Thales sonars (French-owned company)
The submerged speed for both types is classified. Strange that you would attribute 25 knots to the Astute class.
As it does it when above water with Carrier group could do more but they do not Know
Astute class speed is 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Yeah the exact speed is classified for all subs. I think 25 knots was one of the early benchmark tests for Astute which would explain why the uploader thinks this. All we know for sure is that the Astute class has been tested at 30 knots
Astute class tested speed was 25knots the real speed is classified
Thanks for leaving a comment 😊
@@simonharvey2321 I reckon more than 30 knots .
You fail to say that the Barracuda class can deploy a drone and combat swimmers.
so can astute
@@fivenine5905 source?
@@sonikUk i live in barrow in furness and work at bae systems. also try google. :)
@@fivenine5905 source: trust me bro
@@Wow55579 I don't care at all about the astute submarine, know that it is France which has manufactured several electronic parts so we know very well what it has. You say that all submarines can deploy combat swimmers and I am talking about drones and mini deployable submarines with a payload or combat swimmers inside. It is not the same.
The British one runs on an Earl Gray 5th Generation Crumpet Supercharged Nuclear reactor, with redundant Red Dwarf diesel backup generators. Although, this information is UNCONFIRMED.
The French have the fastest reverse speed of any Navy
@@alanwayte432 Like in Dunkirk 1940, for exemple. Thank you for your contribution.
The French fought like tigers defending the British at Dunkirk.
Thanks Frances 🇫🇷
I can confirm everything you say - off the record.
The French one is just a baguette. The British one is a bag of lies and misinformation.
British design are very strange but it works. I've been always amazed by their logic. It WORKS!
The only problem on British submarines is "90 days of food". 90 days of BRITISH food!!!!
😂😂😂 le talon d'Achille. Il doivent faire surface au bout de quelques jours seulement
Pudding 🤣🤣🤣
Yes a complete lack of snails,frogs legs and horse meat. How terrible 😞
@@stevedunn5546 whatever, eat everything you want. Wait for 8 to 24 hours. And then, you'll get typical British food.
@@brunodn9702 British food is actually very good. The main difference between the two hunter killer subs however is that the French one has far more reverse gears.
UK can't even deploy 1 sub at the moment , few month back all 4 Astute were in all maintenance... Loads of technical problems that are still not fixed 18 years after the start of the program mostly due to the design software CAO3D, UK needed the help of general dynamics and their project manager to complete the first one. The MOD also made a lot of jobs cuts in the industrie leading to lost of competence. 56 month delay for the first unit and 53% over budget. The fist unit as already 12 years of life will they ares still missing 3 unit in active service. The PWRA2 is potentially vulnerable to structural defiance, in 2012 they had a radioactive leak in the system closed system they only disclosed it to the public in 2014 with a staggering repair cost of around 230 mpounds. As of 2023 UK can't aligne even one attack submarine. the 30 August 2023 Navy lookout showed that the totality of attack class submarine were in maintenance in harbor. The devolvement and construction is taking ages 16 years for 7 units VS Barracuda class will take only 8 years for 6 units . After all that the ASTUTE Class is a formidable machine when they actually work they do look kind of badass i love their design. Kind of same for the Type 45 who as more time in dock than at sea. For those who speak French I can recommend this video " Le problème des sous-marins nucléaires d'attaques anglais ?" form GaliBellum military channel, well done documentary on this class of subs.
Merci!
I see you are in French submarine sales.
@@dulls8475 No, but I which our beloved neighbor could fix their navy issue, not talking about the units themselves or the valor of the sailors and the experience of the commandment, but more about the MOD and their poor vision and budgeting to maintain what was once a formidable force . Greetings from the other side of the Channel
The French and British defence industries are very interconnected with giants like bae systems and thales...
Thalès c'est français 🤔🤔🤔?
@@ericnguyenvan7 that's what I meant they work together
@@rikbanter694 Oui c'est vrais, la plupart de nos systèmes sont communs et partagé. Le SCALP/Stormshadow en est un bon exemple
Rule Britannia from Glasgow 😎
Big up BARROW
A major difference is the X shaped rudder on Barracuda (and retractable dive planes) whereas the Astute has the traditional cross shaped rudder.
X shaped offer better maneuvrability and are smaller (reducing drag and noise). The X shaped rudders are now used on most modern subs like Columbia, Dreadnought, Tagei, Type 214, etc....
We can thank the Dutch who pionneered the X shaped rudder on the Walrus class 👍
Instead to compare or oppose them don't be silly. Look at about the Lancaster treaty signed between France & the UK in 2010.
It says that in case of open conflict against the UK or France they are both defending themselves. That's GREAT !!!. SO STOP TO CRITICISE because we are allies about nuclear conflict.
It's a bit hard to say exactly which is best as you aren't about to start telling everyone what your top secret subs can do.
Appropriate. The British one looks like a scary war club, the French one looks like a baguette.
If I'm counting on stealth to evade sonar I would rather be in a baguette shaped sub than whatever that thing is.
@@happyface96 Then you need to learn more about sonar and stealth then.
Le sous-marin rosbif avec sa forme de caisse à savon doit même être détecté par des Chinois sourds.
@@nickduf What is the Chinese for "Massive baguette off the starboard bow, fetch the butter", I wonder.
Tee hee!
American sub or Btitish??
British have better attack Subs, the US have slightly more nuclear offensive ability with more missiles being able to launch.
What is refuling duration for Astute Class nuclear submarine? How long does Astute Submarine reactors needs to be refueled?
It is similar to US nuclear subs don't require to refuel atleast for 25 years
@@doublebarrel8153 :-US Nuclear submarine doesn't need to be refueled before 33 years but currently US is working on reactor which doesn't need refueling for 50 years. In that context where does Yaseen reactor stand?
@amygordon2716and what country are you from
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 27 Apr 22.
Un appareil Anglais sans aucune technologie Anglaise ! BRAVO
Même pas le Rolls Royce réacteur?
@@iansalisbury714 roll royce est soit Allemand soit singapourien suivant le secteur mais plus anglais
Does the little French submarine use a pump jet?
Shut up, Frenchie.
French nuclear submarines r independant which is a big difference :)
But you never fight anyway so it`s academic. ;)
so is the astute one. Its only British.
You're thinking of Trident SLBMs used in Royal Navy Vanguard class submarines. The Astute class is nuclear powered but it doesn't carry nuclear warheads.
@@dan79600 he is, I’m not.
Also all Fr military assets have the ability to go backwards much faster than they can go forwards
2 really nice submarine different and needed in a combined doctrine 🤔💪💥
ironically the Barracuda / Attack class with a US or UK nuclear power unit is probably what Australia needs rather then the Astute class.
what currency was used for the cost comparison?
C'est un sujet tabou, we prefer not to say
The Astute - class there will be the magnificent 7 a very special Sub for UK and are allies.
Cost 1.3 billion dollars. Even with conversion rates and workplace expenses how does 6 units cost 90 billion
because you are still thinking, contract/nb of boats.
you forget the industrialisation, the infrastructures, the Australian specification...
Don't forget that the Australian dollar lost 30% of it's value.
Also beyond what the guy above said.... It is 1.3 billion dollars (US dollars). The 90 billion you're talking about is the total cost of the program (R&D, design, construction, maintenance over the years of service etc). The total value of the contract in US dollars was 65 billion. The 90 billion are the value in Australian dollars.
@@jeanvaljean9293 also inflation as interests go up so does the price as most countries pay like finance either once a month or anually.
Rolls Royce engine. Enough said.
Barracuda Class Submarine 💪😊💯❤️🇵🇭
Not much in it for truth. Besides, may France remain our allies regardless of Brexit, Great respect for French armed forces.
probably the only lucid comment I've read on this page
QUESTION: If the price of these UK or French nuclear subs are both under two billion dollars ($2B) for each sub then come in the AUKUS deal Australians are being told we are going to have to pay thirty billion ($30B) for each AUKUS submarine ? ? ?
But which is the best?
Astute
@@doublebarrel8153 Suffren
Suffren by far
@@doublebarrel8153 en panne plus un seul astute ne naviguent
American and British submarine use weapons grade nuclear fuel. French submarine use non weapon greed nuclear fuel that's why they need to be refuel every 10 years . the use the same nuclear fuel you would use in nuclear power plant. The British and American submarine are violating the non-proliferation nuclear weapon treaty,
they is no comparison how many more torpedoes or how fast it goes or how many more torpedoe tubes mean noting what you it should be asking is how good the crew training is how good is the discipline what are the weather conditions like and morale
Wars are not won by equipments but by men behind them
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Performance on depend after extra orders
Everything other than basic stats will be classified or misleading on both boats.
Not British or French here. But it is very telling that the French could secure a contract on their own, but the Brits needed the yanks
Ahh somebody jealous of aukus? A wee chinaman maybe?
So begins another pointless nationalistic pissing contest, here's an idea get off the UA-cam comment section and enlist in your national military it will give you a whole new perspective.
Astute class is best in world period I’ve noticed a lot of these videos to do with military are always biased towards uk no matter what it is
Tbh it usually because the U.K. spends a lot money a small amount a very technologically advanced equipment. The U.K. spends the same amount as Russia and India but has 1/10 the size of military personnel. So it’s obvious that more goes on making better equipment.
@@scottwhitley3392 Meh... The same argument applies to France though. So that's not much of a point when you're comparing the Barracuda to the Astute. France and the UK have similar economies, populations and similarly sized militaries. Yet the same France is the world's third most successful weapon manufacturer (after the US and Russia) and currently 3 times as much in value as the UK does.
In sum, Trevor and you are just displaying the good ol' British jingoism lol. The British scream everywhere they go that whatever they build "is the best" but it never translates to the market as most in the relevant spheres obviously don't think that. It is essentially a British circus. In the real world, American, Russian, French and German (in that order) defence weapons and systems are all more sought after than British ones. The market speaks for itself. Even China has become a more commercially successful weapon manufacturer than the UK in the last 2 or 3 years, which is frankly embarrassing.
@@Itachi951000 that’s why France lost contract to build subs for Australia in favor of uk and American subs
@@Itachi951000 never heard so much rubbish in all my life we are third biggest arms dealers in world,5 richest country in world and to say China are selling more arms and technology is better than uk your talking utter crap 💩
@@trevormappley Yeah yeah and yet France still is a far more successful exporter. Funny how that works, uh? You thought Australia chose to partner with the US over France because of submarine quality and not because the former is much more apt to guarantee Australia's security in the South China Sea than France is?! France's deal with Australia wasn't even about nuclear subs but conventional diesel-powered ones, which Australia specifically asked for. What is the comparison about?
There are opinions and there simple hard facts. It literally takes a single google search to access the ranking of the world's arms dealers, even if you're not knowlegeable about the global defence sector. This include the "Market share of the leading exporters of major weapons between 2016 and 2020, by country" from Statista or "Arms exports - Country rankings" by Theglobaleconomy site. There is even a wikipedia page on arms exporters with a ranking on the "Arms industry" page.
You seriously thought the UK was the 3rd arms exporters? Even snapping the French sub deal (if.... IF... Australia chose your boat and not the American one) isn't going to help the UK get past France in the rankings LMAO. The UK needs to get past the likes of Germany or China first.
You may as well compare it to a Slava class like the Moskva 😁
Or to the royal navy ships in falkland ;)
@@drtak4512 lol but only 1 of our challenger 2 tanks have been destroyed and that w2as by another challenger 2 they have been in some of the worst urban conflicts in the last 50 years. russia on the other hand in 4 weeks lost a third of its tanks i dont think you can make comments like that with the beating your getting of a few rebel ukranians and some western tech m8.
Lol russia is a laughing stock mate non of your stuff even works your country is a joke and a laughing stock
Perhaps it would have been better if you had compared them to the current US and Russian subs. Especially as it is not likely that they would ever be engaged in combat against each other. On the other hand they would both probably engaged against the US subs in war games. And if the war in Ukraine gets out of hand they would go against the Russian subs.
I confess I have no information on the Russian attack submarines. But if they are at the level of tanks, planes, helicopters, communications ... of the Russian army in Ukraine we have no fear to have! If someone has competences in this field (except Russian Troll of course!) ?
@@williamrolland2253 why do you think a western tank can survive in an urban environnement full of javelins and NLAW ? Or an apachi over a forest full of manpads ?? Dont compare two things unless they were put in the same context.
@@drtak4512 A tank has no place in an urban area, it is a tactical aberration.
For modern tanks like the Leclerc in comparison with Russian tanks they can :
Not shoot while driving but hit a target while driving several kilometers away and therefore can be used on the move.
They have a last generation armor
They are very fast
Despite this, thanks to their armor, engines, exhaust system ... they have a very low heat signature limiting the use of infrared missile
They have countermeasures such as smoke, infrared decoys, fragmentation grenades...
The ammunition bay is in a separate compartment from the tank and can be ejected if the tank is hit, limiting the risk of explosion.
Seeing a Leclerc tank in combat is something else than the Russian tanks we see in Ukraine. It is comparing a WWII fighter plane and an F22.
They are not invulnerable, but they are designed to withstand modern anti-tank weapons and to fight wars on the move. On the other hand they are absolutely not designed for urban combat.
@@williamrolland2253 comparing leclerc to t72 is the aberration.
We heard the same merkava until the kornet showed up.
@@williamrolland2253 i doubt lecrec or any tank can survive the javeline especially if the shooter is abushed like the case in ukraine.
Tous les Astute sont en cale séche, problème d'étanchéité.
In France, it is said, "Better a small valorous one than a big soft one." Here, it's also the case, especially since the Barracuda is the only one in the world to launch missiles against planes flying over it. Comparing the sizes of weapons of war isn't so relevant; look at the numbers of battles the English have won with smaller, swifter ships.
it is clear that what makes the power of a submarine are what you call (sensor and processing) and these two submarines are 100% French on that side!
it is therefore obvious that the french have the technological advantage to manufacture submarines!
Thales, which is a French company, provides the Sonar and the optronics mast for astute class. Astute also uses Tomahawk cruise missile and Raytheon IFF system. The Astute Submarine concept selected the best system for its needs, irrespective of origin. The French system only uses French technology, even if is not always the best technology available. This is why I think that the Astute is a superior submarine. Even if the Suffren is more ‘French’ than the Astute is ‘British’ . Merci.
@@mnnh1 the suffren is the most discreet submarine in the world and has equivalents to tomahawk missiles
@@raph5907 the truth is we do not know for sure which is the most discreet as this information is classified and is almost never shared, even between allies. Perhaps the Suffren class is slightly more discreet, but the Astute caries more payload of weapons, has 6 , rather than 4 torpedo tubes and has perhaps the best towed sonar array in the world
@@mnnh1 as you say those are classified information, and I think they have the same power. I also think that these two subs would make a good duo. If not, for discretion, it was the Minister of the Armies himself who affirmed that the Suffren had been built with the aim of being as discret as schrimps
Furthermore, the Marine National has a contract with Naval Group to build only 6 submarines. Lol! It’s not enough, mon ami! Uk is building already 7 Astute Class. This is before AUKUS deal was signed. Royal Navy will build even more for sure after AUKUS deal is completed. US Navy is proposing 65 Virginia Class!
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you fail to say the French are developing the Barracuda replacement now
No Naval Group is developing the future SSBN. I baked some study pieces a few weeks ago in the company. The Suffren class is under construction.
@@ms-lazuli7435 you must not know the SMX 31 E project.
@@athrunzala6770 Yes, I know this project, why?
Let's say that the Astute was designed to do at least 30 kn, Im guessing about the Baraccuda as its less advanced reactor, like the Trafalgar class, which is similar in size and could do 25 kn. This is not top secret information just an educated guess.. Also, if its classified, why are you stating the estimated speeds if you don't know.
Its widely known that the Astute was having problems reaching its designed speed (30kn) which it eventually overcame.
It's not a "less advanced reactor" it's a different reactor, LEU for the Suffren class and HEU for the Astute class, LEU is overall cheaper and safer but require to be refueled every 10 years while HEU reactors can last for most of the lifetime of the submarine. Power output is not related to HEU or LEU but rather the reactor design.
It is widely know that the propulsion system of the Astute is far from perfect and has many issue of it's own
+ reactors are not the speed limiting factors in submarines ... The Electric motors combined with the drag of the hull and propellers are.
The speed was not only limited due to specific configuration issues of the main gearing and propeller assembly, but also the inability to cool the reactor sufficiently which limited it's production capability. Once they figured out what the right gears where and at what pitch you should set them at what speed, and of course somebody managed to tell a linear actuator that it's not 50/50% from a middle point but 0/100% from a closed to open range, cooling wasn't an issue either anymore. Funnily they never really shown any figures anymore after the teething problems where dealt with, knowing full well that the reported performance figures are comparable to a racehorse with an infected foot.
@@buckdanny9062 vos Astute son tous en panne,a peine 12 ans de service et hop au garage..🤣
There’s really no comparison. History proves this.
So we are told Australia needs British or American nuclear-powered (as opposed to diesel) submarines and ones which are more modern. Yet the Barracuda class IS nuclear-powered (Australia insisted on conversion of the design to diesel) and is more modern than the British offering. What part of this Australian government narrative is supposed to be coherent?
Australia may have insisted on the fact that it wanted nuclear submarines, but France respects the rules, including that of nuclear non-proliferation, unlike some countries... And I would like to remind you that the Australians' initial choice was conventional propulsion, this choice is partly explained by Australia's relationship with nuclear power in general, I invite you to ask Australians what they think of nuclear power...
I invite you to look at all the French technologies that equip the Astute.
@@srubi1319 I am not saying anything different…
@@srubi1319 the political context was post-Fukushima. But one of the reasons because France originally won, was that production could later be switched to nuclear if the p9litical climate changed. France kept offering the (more ecpensive) Nuclar option from the start up to when Australia broke the deal.
The coherence lies in the refuelling needs of the Barracuda and the lack of an Australian civilian nuclear power industry to be able to support the refuelling of nuclear submarines. That was the killer factor for any idea of using the French design. The UK and USA nuclear submarines are stated to not need refuelling for the life of the boat.
Astute class submarine 5th buying under make in india
Barracuda is definitely the Best, french culinary food and baguettes for 70 days instead of plum pudding and beans
lol
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model baracudda lebih bagusan
1:16 Baraacudaの150MWは、完全に1桁間違ってるだろ。15MW有れば十分に30kt出せるだろ。
米海軍の攻撃原潜の最初期のもので5,000T15,000HPだっただろ。 1:16
What makes me laugh all the comments on here from French subscribers going on about how “Thales is a French company”. That my friends, is a complete and utter joke considering the sensor technology used in the Astute descends from RACAL which was a premiere British electronics company that Thompson-CSF purchased. Also, most of the sensor technology employed in the Barracuda uses technology supplied by THALES U.K. which in turn originated from RACAL. 😄😄
Thales IS French, whether you like it or not, it won't change the reality. Besides, know that the propulsion system of the Astute class is tested in France. 😘
@@srubi1319 “The Astute propulsion system is tested in France“ 😀You’re talking about the barracuda not the Astute, that propulsion system (like much else) is tested in the Devonshire Dock, Barrow.
So you're saying, Thompson-CSF ( a French company) bought Racal (a British one) which then became Thales group, which is French state-owned at 25% and Dassault Aviation owned at another 25%, which accounts to over 60% of the voting rights, somewhat is a British company? How does it make sense again?
Astute used French components like Thales systems, radar…
Thales does a lot of their research and manufacturing in the UK.
@@obesetuna3164 In spite of this Thales is a French group which is partially owned by the French government.
@@FrLawRE Of course it is.
In 1999, as part of the merger of Marconi Electronic Systems (as GEC-Marconi had become), and British Aerospace, the new BAE Systems held 49.9% of TMS, which it sold to Thales (the new name for Thomson-CSF) in 2001. Thomson Marconi Sonar was renamed Thales Underwater Systems and the original part of MUSL became part of BAE Systems. The UK headquarters of TUS is at Templecombe.
Thales Underwater system- 49.9% share
(MUSL) BAE- 51.1%
Not because it was named Thales wholly owned by THALES.
@@tatsviewsver1.01m3 A well informed comment.
cbhooi330 liked this video .... he is only liking videos about military OR young girls that are dancing...
Im very sad for him, he looks like he is still stuck in the old cold war :( and he needs to work for the gourvernment :,( comments are always disabled at cbhooi330 videos :( im sad
as usual compare 2 totally different sub... baracuda is closer to a seawolf rules a swiss knife that can do anything. and astute closer to a akula rules...
Its important to notice that the astute sonar and sensors are french made
Yes, in fact the Americans are going to buy the French SONAR CAPTAS-4 for the future ASW frigates.
the day the British manage to fire a missile without it falling on them we can compare!:)
Err... Periscope/s and comms masts, on an A-Boat??
Periscopes are replaced with sensor mast with high definition and sensibility cameras. Cheaper, more reliable, more performing
Ability to reverse
Barracuda=20 knots
Astute=what’s reverse???
Yeah,the British always reverse like at Dunkirk,even Rommel said :"The British soldiers fought to the Last French soldiers"
@@Solveig.Tissot He didn’t really say that though did he?? As for Dunkirk do you think we should have thrown away all our soldiers lives?
Ps
The Royal Navy sank more french ships than the Germans did 😉
@@joebloggs8422 Spot on Joe .... the Frogs wouldn`t fight on or hand over their navy or send them to USA for storage. So we sunk the bastards.
Not enough diving depth for bough of them. Should be about 550m
Depth mentioned in the video is test depth both of them can dive deep more than 500m
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Both very ppwerful and beautiful machines, for the unclassified information available looks as the Astute Is superior
- For. Indeed better armament capacities. But is heavier.
- By the way, for the both, no vertical launch systems for cruise missile.
- Cons. British food.
@@brunodn9702 Holy cow, you are righ...british food against French cuisine on 90 days patrols...sign me to the Barracuda.
@@cesaravegah3787 I promise you there will be NO snails NOR cuisses de grenouille.
By the way.
The French have a neat edge. Nevertheless the Britsh have fairly good ships too
concerning submarine the french technology is far ahead according to me, anyway both are nice.
The new British submarines will also be very technological.
Brit sub using french sensors and processing 🤫
You got your speeds wrong, the Astute can do 30 kn and the French sub 25 kn.
If that is true its not Information you should be readily spreading on the Internet, submarines are a "silent service" for a reason, now obviously I have no idea of who you are, you may even serve on a sub, but I still would suggest with all respect that if you KNOW specific details about the weapon platforms, my (admittedly) rather ignorant advice would be to keepnet to yourself 😁 you know just incase 😁
Both submarine speeds are classified these speeds are not accurate
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@@doublebarrel8153 no problem, sorry I sounded like such a kill joy, but I'm sure you understood my concern XD
No, neither speeds in this video are accurate for security reasons. But the French sub is a different sub than the UK sub, that comparative video is not really adequate. The Barracuda's power/weight ratio is greater than that of the Astute so it should be a tad faster. But again, different Subs.
If shape,like we say aerodynamics,and weight play any role on speed,then Barracuda got it!
The French one has 3 reverse speeds and a white flag
The English one has as a second name Dunkirk, in memory of the escape of the British during WWII, and its third name is HMS Sheffield, whose new inhabitants are the fish...
@@srubi1319 Dunkirk happened because you French cowards refused to fight and lost. Britain won the falklands war you surrender monkey!
@@q11q40 😂 stop bullshit...
@@q11q40 Is that what they teach you in school?
The British one is called secretly Hastings in memory of the fact England is a French colony.
"The Barracuda is more recent, so its sensors may be even better and it may be even quieter than the Astute thanks to more recent stealthy technologies. It also carries the most recent heavy torpedo worldwide which is a very useful asset." The Astute Is superior ????
You just cutting and pasting things of Wikipedia ...lol
@@glastonbury4304 Hi Glastonburypedia, i forgot you were so cleaver, sorry !
@@xyves8488 yep, I can even spell as well 😉😂
@@glastonbury4304 And maybe you'll be able to read next year ? And maybe you'll be able to read next year? Don't be discouraged, even the less clever can do it, look at Boris!
@@xyves8488 ...maybe you can spell and understand grammar ....and for god's sake stop that stutter and repeating yourself...lol
Vous devez mettre vos vaisseaux en alertes maximum alerte maximum
No white flags on the Astute class.
Just open ass for your us master !
The Australian subs will be very different from the current types.
The design will be specific to the Australian Navy's requirements.
They will have long range and low maintenance equipment. They will carry more advanced sonar and weapons systems.
Complete nonsense.
Australia is getting UK built Astute class SSNs.
Australia will get a off the shelf build. As now every month counts without one in service. No time for " custom builds" or even a dunny mod. Years have passed as australia sat on its hands.
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I agree entirely. We want Eight and we won’t wait.
Always the same with Australians, they think they have " special needs" that havent been created before, or design features that only they can build.
And when it comes to the nuts and bolts of it, they cannot design a car or build it, even with government subventions and 1000s of skilled aussie workers.
They will have all weather nuclear BBQ`s fitted on deck.
Barracuda class is better than Astute, by far.
Moreover, the French components which have inside, and the sonar will be restrained compared to the national versions.
Moreover, the Barracuda are more recent.
British any day
With full French technologies 🤣🇬🇧👎
@@srubi1319 reverse gears only!!😂😂😂
CONGRATULATIONS UK GOVERNMENT BUT PLEASE INCREASE MILITARY PERSONNEL AND UNCLEAR WARHEADS AND BALLISTIC MISSILES AND UNCLEAR WEAPONS AND UNCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
How do you disguise aircraft carriers?
In a confined space would'nt the French catering menu with heavy use of garlic be a problem? It would for me.
Il faut comparer le Suffren pas le baracouda
Barrraacccudaaaaa....🤣
The french submarine winner but light score !!!!
British sub has no inboard homemade technology. Pity.
French's win
stupid the astute class speed would be 30 plus knots . you put the dimenions as very similar yet astute is twice the tonnage which would indicate a superior diving depth but you are trying to say the barracuda can dive deeper even though it has a thinner hull ......... back to school for you
Specs in the video is not accurate speed, dive depth all those things are classified I've made video based on data from various military website's
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Right now the Astute is a far superior Submarine, the Suffren class(Barracuda was only the project name) right now is a very immature design and the French Navy will still be ironing out bugs, compare that to the Astute class which has been operating now for 12 years
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Ironing their white flags !
the French sub has 5 reverse gears and no forward gear.
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Your lack of History is hopeless
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You should buy an history book...France has the highest record regarding wars...
@@338lm4 indeed it is the country that has won the most victories especially with napoleon
I thought the French flag was totally white ?
It's funny because this famous ''white flag'' was almost taken out by British troops in Dunkirk in 1940, fortunately the French army was there to catch up...
@@srubi1319 at least the United Kingdom wasn't invaded by Germany in six weeks
@@W.M.Pitt1 Thanks to the French army, which allowed the United Kingdom to keep an army on its feet.
@@srubi1319 britian wasn't invaded because the Luftwaffe couldn't get past the RAF
@@W.M.Pitt1 And what could you have done without ground troops?
No comparison the British sub will fight the French sub carriers the famous French all White Flag of surrender sorted😱😂🍺👍
Your lack of History is hopeless
ok le lache anglais 1francais vos 10anglais au combat va te coucher imbecile
Just remind me who fled the war in Dunkirk in 1940? 🤔
@@srubi1319 British and French . We all returned to fight another day . Not just let the Germans roll across France . Thank God you lot had the Resistance
@@darrenwales1092 But it was indeed the French troops who fought for the evacuation to be a success, and for the British army not to be annihilated... The spirit of resistance has always been part of the French, and it is thanks to this that the Normandy landings were possible.
The French run and hide speed is far superior,0-collaborate in less than a week 😂
The astute class is slightly better than suffren.
It's impossible to know until you've sailed on one or the other and done exercises with both. In my opinion both are very good.
Nationalism is slightly stupide than logic
@@jordao2mar Anyway I would like to know how a "simple internet user" can tell if one submarine is better than the other...
@@ms-lazuli7435 I can: imagine 90 days of british food instead of French cuisine....Barracuda is better...🤣
Source: my drunken uncle