I have a simple three step plan: 1. Allow more than three copies of a card per deck 2. Ban every card except for Celtic Guardian and Feral Imp 3. Profit.
Nah, bro. I'm gonna shift the Celtic guardian format Ban everything except Giant Soldier of Stone and 1 limited Gaia the Fierce Knight. Just draw the out format.
Not sure why you would want to put "Relentless Rats" in a Yu-Gi-Oh deck, you can't even get 2{b}1{c} mana to cast them! I don't even think there are any ways to special summon a "black" attribute or "Rat" type monster! Jokes about Malicious allowing you to put a MTG card in your deck aside, something like 21+ malicious, a catapult turtle and a way to get 1 of the former in the GY and the latter on the field would be a pretty funny FTK.
This but unironically. So many stupid random combo enablers that are held back by one Level 2 Earth Insect. That said, Verte definitely still needs to be banned.
Yes... But no. Stuff like Verte is still just fine vs Maxx C and can just sorta make Santifire into Jowgen just as long as you can get two monsters on board. Decks ending on Collossus because they can fit in a search for Nemisis in their combo. ect. ect. The big limiting factor I think is that most decks just can't plain FIT the horseshit combo into their builds. Extra Deck space is tight for many decks, and most top tier decks are trying to jam as many handtraps into their builds as possible so they can shut down the first turn play with Imperm/Veiler. Also Kit is free at the cost of the entirety of Tearelements being absolutely butchered. Like the entirety of the Adventure engine is available but most archtypes now are super dependent on their normal summon. So when deckbuilding I'm looking at it like "Yeah, I might be able to stuff it in, but I need my normal for Snake Ash/Herald/In Archtype starter. ++ Master Duel is a mostly casual game, and people just get tired of doing the same long combos.
Maxx C has nothing to do with it, it's the fact that MD is a best of 1 format. That allows a LOT of leeway for jank that wouldn't normally see play because the opponent would just adapt in the rest of the match.
@@felixdaniels37 Yes, my brother in Christ. Maxx C, a card that demands you simply draw the out or lose on the spot has absolutely nothing to do with introducing more RNG into the game. Damn, I hope the roach is at least paying y'all for all the top you're giving it.
I honestly think this idea could be a miniseries. Having fans attempt to edit a format in such a way just by removing cards, not adding any, and playing a game on DB to see if it's good enough to fix the format. I know it's sort of like a previous series MBT did but that was mostly his own influence. im thinking we get the fans to do this. Miniseries because technically it's a spin-off of Twitter Thread.
As someone who has played Goat Format pretty extensively, I would kill to see a version where they ban Delinquent Duo. It's an unfun, super swingy card that doesn't add any interesting elements that Trap Dustshoot doesn't do better.
To your “X is legal in MasterDuel” bit, its normally because instead of banning the root of the problem, they slaughter everything else to make it highly inconsistent.
Yeah, that’s sort of my reaction to the “See, Kitkallos is legal here and it’s fine!” bit. It’s fine because the rest of the tearlaments archetype is decimated! You can mix it with other stuff, I’m sure, but the core of the archetype (and the tear 0 format) is gone. I was so annoyed by the deck when it launched at first because of how it played but after facing the current meta I was like “Maybe I was too harsh on you…” and thought about playing around with the archetype but when I saw that most of the mermaids were straight up *banned* not limited I was like “Changed my mind, I’m building Mannadium”
@neferacronia6798 That tends to be the thing with Yugioh players. Folks will get frustrated with a neat Tier 0 deck, get a God awful diverse format, and look fondly on the Tier 0 again. It hurts to say, but I think it's safe to assume Yugioh is just a bad game badly designed. Cause every skull testing format/deck gets slaughtered instantly.
I don't understand the Verte Anaconda one though. The fact that card is still legal is just mind boggling. I've been Jowgen + Sanctifire combo'd in Voiceless Voice too many times to know that card needs to fucking go.
I can’t wait for the problem cards to be nerfed so that the next busted and op cards can come out and then we’ll be like “I mean… _____ can come off the banlist it wouldn’t be doing much in this format” and for that cycle to repeat until the heat death of the universe I sure do wish set rotation was good. Oh wait.
What I hate is a theme that I noticed with specific cards. They are released, in only high rarity, obviously problematic and op but those with sufficient cash can freely play them. Then konami packs them into reprint packs so everyone buys them, only to ban these chase cards afterwards. Baron releases. What? A generic negates and pop is broken? Sorry can't hear you over all of my MONEY. Okay let's pack it into the rarity collection to sell packs. Hmmm too many have that card now. Let's ban it. Same with Apo in rarity collection 2. Mark my words: if rarity collection 3 gives us little knight: the same will happen
It would be nice for Shifter to get hit but let's be honest, people have been asking for it's ban for years and it's still around, so I can see why that card survived at least. Not saying it doesn't deserve to be banned mind you because it definitely does.
Everyone complains about Shifter (and it is a problem card), but I think Droll is almost as bad. Both of them shut down several decks and are just really unfun to deal with. I don't think they need to be banned, but putting them to 1 would make them a lot less likely to show up. Also, I agree that Verte can come back. If any two monsters equal Fiendsmith combo, then any two should equal Verte for the budget players. And finally, they should have hit Sanctifire, not Branded Fusion, but everyone (except Konami) knows that.
All that putting crazy main deck cards to 1 does is make them even more sacky and luck based. If it's broken at 3 it's broken at 1, just less likely to come up. It's a bad system. Unironically the only things that should be limited/semi'd are extra deck cards. And maybe, like, main deck cards like raigeki+dark hole or the various pots where they're similar enough you don't want people running multiple playsets of basically the same card so you have to assemble a playset from all the limited ones.
Ok but WHY can Linkross not come back? Nobody can ever explain that part. We remember that this card’s function in HalqDon was to add 1 singular draw to the combo at the cost of taking 4 additional extra deck slots, right? Adamacipator used it to diversify their available levels in their Halq plays. Now not only is Halq gone, but the other possible abuser, Isolde, is also gone. What are we worried about? Dragunity??? In 2024????
Problem with those 3 links is the same problem with the Appo Baronne IP Savage boards: instead of doing their own unique thing, every single deck does the exact same combo into the exact same endboard thankfully those problem cards are banned, is why Closed Moon is the big problem card of the format rn
That was about the second weakest use of Linkross, behind Linking off Altergeist Hexstia. Linkross was also used for the Librarian draw 4 combo, all the Adamancipator combos, all the Dragon Link combos, and all the Infernoble Knight combos, all of which used it to significantly greater effect.
@@cephalosjr.1835all of those decks currently have better things to do and/or are not as impressive nowadays without halq. Anyways, better safe than sorry
Solemns we're played fairly heavily at the time Cannahawk got limited. Meaning if your effect got negated or popped then you insta-lost since you didn't have a second copy.
Why am I watching Arnold Schwarzenegger in a Lidl commercial? I haven‘t touched Yugioh for like 20 years. Why is Mr Rothchild so appealing with his little cards?
i'll never understand why ppl want oss banned instead of ash and flamberge. i thought the little window of time where we just had diabellstar\wanted as a neat little engine to find ur level 1 fire guy that could be splashed into several different decks was rly cool
Ash and flamberge are strong but really what makes it supper consistent is oss not to mention it ties the snake eyes into the asamina cards and let's snake eyes be splashed everywhere. OSS is the objectively best hit and you wouldn't even need to limit ash or ban flamberge why because now imperm ash or veiler on snake eyes ash has only one extender. As cool as the witch wanted engine is it comes at the expense of the format.
@@Alkhemia8fiendsmith is dog water design and although I believe the lacrima hit is not only a good hit and a neccessary one the engine should get hit more either a hit to ceaser or desirae or both.
@@cuttlefish6839 It's closed moon that is the problem, not caesar and especially not dies irae. Is requiem a poorly designed card? Yeah. But does fiendsmith deserve to get BOTH its fusions killed? No. Ban the card that lets you splash the engine into anything that gets 2 bodies on board, not the deck's only payoffs.
So, my reason for having OSS banned would affect multiple things: - Wanted Engine can still be played and doesn't automatically translate to a lvl. 1 fire monster (SE) - It hits consistency for SE, which they did anyway with this list - Azamina would still be good, just without the snake-eye bridge (and if you still want to play them together regardless, then it's up to deckbuilding) - SE also loses a Version with that in Fireking SE (no brdige for getting into the Firekings with SE) All in all it would have been a perfect hit while still letting SE be playable, letting the Wanted Engine untouched and the Azamina would still be a good Deck. That being said, banning OSS alone wouldn't have been enough imo.
Its insane that merrli being banned is the card that allows both Elf and Kitkallos to both be legal in master duel and not do too much (though toad also is killed)
If I could play any number of malicious I would play 6, so I could potentially draw the anti exodia of 5 mali top card mali and rage so hot it powers the eastern seaboard for the next 30 years
Honestly i have said this before and as a pendulum player if they brought back electrumite it wont make pendulum tier one yes it will make pendulum more playable but not the best deck
IMO, spyral is not played in MD because the timer tears I believe is really limited in MD but it seems they are returning.... slowly Verte and elf..... seriously how are we alright in MD?
Spyral is also pretty much unhit in the OCG (2 Quick-fix, that's it) and got like 2 Tops in the last few months. The deck is just worse than the new decks on the block, and, suffers a lot under Maxx C. Tear has been within the top 5 decks of MD for a while, but is just constantly worse than the new stuff, so not really worth hitting Verte and Elf are just missing a home, that can abuse them.
Skill Drain and Summon Limit should be Unlimited, Card of Demise too. U must play Backrow removal. Ban this cards: Sanctifire, Protos, Colussus, D barrier, EEVirus, Diff Dimension ground, Harpie Storm, Anti Spell fragrance, (Shifter only if Grass is banned, if no should stay at 3).
While I like the idea of actually making people want to play back row removal, adding more floodgates ain't the way. Floodgates fuckin' suck and should be unilaterally named.
I think if you're unhitting Zoo it would be more fun to get Rat to 3 instead of Broadbull. Realistically it wouldn't do much but actual Zoo decks will have some plays with it.
@@rocapbg9518rat to 3 would be insane lol It'd be really funny to hit snake eye only to then bring back the original broken 1 card combo deck with double digit starters Zoo could easily end on udf + ip through hand traps off of one rat, and that's without additional extenders, drident and broadbull Also notable that they'd be a shifter deck too, except a much more powerful, resilient and consistent one than ritual beasts now
@@andrejv.2834 that's a really shit end board. It doesn't matter if it's through hand traps, any modern engine breaks through this, let alone any board breaker. Also when talking about a deck abusing shifter, I don't think the deck is the problem.
@@rocapbg9518 it's off of one card though, and without drident, broadbull and norden, that's another thing to consider, you're ending on more with additional extenders and are backed up by 20+ non engine Also they could just use the fiendsmith engine too and end on udf + caesar off of one card and through hand traps, which is something that's much harder to break, especially as udf is a difficult card to out by itself, especially since it steals permenently too Decks aren't gonna be breaking through this without board breakers
Tried to make a hypothetical banlist(pretend the August one was this) and here is what I ended up with. Tried to hit top tier decks hard but not unplayable while giving bones to decks that were falling off or won't be too troublesome Banned Dimensional Shifter Albion Sanctifier Dragon(its hurts me) Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal Original Sinful Spoils-Snake-eyes Limitied Snake-eyes Ash Glow-up bulb Phantom of Yubel Number 40 Number C40 Zoodiac Drident Summon Sorceress(errta) Electrimuite Meow-mu Branded Fusion Sangen Summoning Semi-limited Unchained Shavara Miscellanesousrus Gamma Merill Chaos Space Opening Gates Unlimited Happy Memory Sleepy Memory Naturia Sacred Tree
Ash might even be an unnecessary hit with oss gone since it losses witch wanted and azamina no longer supports them. Either way yeah OSS was always correct However you forgot Lacrima ban and shifter I doubt would even be a reasonable hit. The game just needs to evolve into one that's not 100% reliant on the gy won't help older decks who are necessarily but it will reduce the prevalence of shifter.
I think something that would be interesting would be introducing a new tier to the Banlist, Restricted. You can only play one Restricted card in your deck, so if Pot of Greed and Maxx "C" were both Restricted your deck could have either a Pot of Greed or Maxx "C", but not both.
Pot of Greed does have some interactions, such as being able to use it when going first. And if Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds were also on said restriction list, if could cause an influx of Floowandereeze players that Maxx C wouldn't be effective against.
@@NeonCitizenTeal have you ever heard of establishing a board, passing and then dropping maxx C on someone? Also you just didn’t mention the statue. Regardless there’s just one correct answer for every single deck and it is maxx c. Floo being unaffected by it and being the only playable deck that is unaffected by it doesn’t make pot of greed better lmao
If you go first and open with Maxx C in hand, you have 4 cards to make your board. If you have Pot of Greed you have 6 cards to make your board. Pot of Greed is also spell card, which some decks may care about, and can still be effective in low against low special summon decks.
@@NeonCitizenTeal yeah you kinda forgot one crucial detail about modern yu gi oh, and that’s hand traps. Maxx C is exactly as powerful as the cards its draws you, and that is to say VERY powerful. Obviously the number of non engine varies greatly but even if you take the middle ground of 15 hand traps at this point, if you maxx c after setting up a board in draw you will be drawing into so many hand traps it will not matter what your opponent does, they are NOT breaking your board. In this case maxx c STILL wins over the one extra card greed got you.
Probably a bad take but I feel if the weaker alternative to Tomahawk in Dracossack isn't used despite doing roughly the same thing (it is an inherent link-3) leads me to believe we could unban Tomahawk and nothing would really change
Hot take, but in my opinion, Yugioh has gotten to a point beyond "saving" the game; they should either implement a rotating standard format like Pokemon or MTG where only 3 or 4 of the latest sets are legal, or they need to do what Dragon Ball did with Fusion world and completely reboot the game with a brand new one
Running 6 what am I supposed to do if I don't draw them? Just lose... at the start of my main phase? Putting an immediate threat to turn skip that I have to stop before I even play into the board is so toxic and Konamis biggest design mistake they keep making.
i actually like that baronne, boreload, and apo are banned. im not overly excited about it, not very upset about it either, just think its kinda cool. keeping with the trend, i do agree for accesscode to be banned, what else? i think i:p should go too
Idk part of me has to agree with the people saying "You can't use master duel to gauge how the card will do in the tcg". It's a best of one format that you won't run into these decks constantly vs going to locals or a tournament and seeing the meta decks everywhere. You don't get to side deck at all (which to me is a plus), Maybe i'm wrong, I don't play the card game on a higher level than online battles and dueling friends/siblings, but I'm pretty sure cards like Verte that were banned not too long ago due to how powerful they were, would still be powerful and probably used day one if they were legal. But hey, i'm the person that said before the banlist that they should just unban master plan and put Ratpier to 2 so that way we could see the reactions of the community.
one simple idea: spright elf requires a spright monster. halq requires a crystron tuner. release them both but limit gigantic spright so he can't just throw their mats into play .
Imo a very simple solution to the single too powerful engines and decks is official tier lists by Konami. And then tier 1/0 decks shouldn’t be allowed to use the best or worst case not any handtraps. That would make handtraps help the lower decks to get by tier 1/0 decks like they were once supposed to be. Would be very easy to put things in those official tier1/0 group which by using a single card of it makes the abstrafst forbidden for you. Right now? Snake eyes Fiendsmith Yubel No handtraps for you (maybe only imperm)
Easy, ban every card printed from POTE onwards, issue an apology for the awful game design change facilitated by one card combo nonsense that caused powercreep to go completely out of control, and then actually print cards that don't make over half of the "rouge" decks that previously existed completely unplayable.
While the banlist did hurt Snake-Eyes (or as I like to call them, Serpent-Eyed Scoundrels) a bit, I’m worried about what the future holds. (Lookin’ at you, Azamina…)
Electrumite is legal in Masterduel and it literally hasnt done anything in Masterduels meta. It can easily get taken off the list with no trouble. I also agree that Sanctifire should have been banned instead of limiting Branded Fusion.
I actually wonder how different the game would be if the limited to 1 and 2 followed how they work in Duel Links Imagine Snake-Eyes having to chose to use either Ash or Poplar but not both.
The Cannahawk hit was meant to make your combo more fragile and because people were complaining about long combo lines. It was fine as a tier 2 or 2.5 deck at the time but 1 Cannahawk did make the deck a bit worse.
Hey MBT, if you read this... pls do another moron banlist tournament (I'm like 98.74% sure the list from 6:24 would change nothing about the meta game)
Tri brigade has been at least rogue ever since simorgh got banned, giving them an extra deck starter + more zeus material would be extremely powerful, especially in a non full power snakes format
At this point, konami should implement rules like in duel links, where the banlist prevents people from playing all the legal strong cards together. Think cards like skill drain, some snake eyes cards, some fiend smith cards ect. Just keep the top decks from having multiple consistency cards and the best hand traps.
Konami needs to add more support to other protag archetypes.... Getting triple negated before I could even summon a cyber dragon is ruff.... The worst part is even if I battled I couldn't do anything because they could banish
I started playing Yu-Gi-Oh! a few months ago with Swordsoul Tenyi, and Archnemeses Protos was and remains the coolest fucking shit ever to me-a ray of hope for my fallen-from-grace janky little rogue deck in a world full of yubel and snake eyes. Let us have something, please. When we fix the game he can go.
The real answer is we need something between shifter and dd crow in terms of power, like maybe a first 3 cards floodgate banish. For both players. It may not stop a full combo, but it may cause some sort of weaker play.
My take is unban Mine, and put Duster/Heavy Storm to 3. Also banning all the "generic" spell floodgates like Secret Village, Anti Spell Fragrance, and yes, Nat Beast too.
Hindsight is definitely at play but I don't play the TCG so when I saw lacroma was a common for the first time while watching a farfas opening, I was amazed that no one called or being banned. Yea it's a new strat but it's a common.....
My addition to the current list: semi-limit every searching spell card in the game, except the ones already banned or limited. Slows the game down, looks fair at a glance, and gives Yugi-tubers something to ramble about since they dislike semi-limits…. Medallion of the Ice Barrier can stay though, they haven’t done anything yet.
They should make Linkuriboh banish itself after leaving the field after using it's special summon effect, so it's not as good and I can use it because it's cute and I like it
D. Shifter needs to take a ban, but it needs it a lot less than all the cards that create non-games post-siding imo. At least you have to build an entire deck around Shifter. That's not the case for D. Barrier, Skill Drain, Anti-Spell, Deck Lockdown, EER, whatever card in this vein you name it I want to ban it.
my friend just started playing yugioh a bit ago and for his first competent, still casual, deck he got appaloosa for it, the day after it arrived the banlist dropped
You know, that one guy who said all of those cards can come back and it wouldn't change a thing, he is right. There are so many cards that in theory could break the format, but with how consistent and powerful decks are now, those decks don't need to abuse those banned card tools, it should in fact help other strategies get better. If cards can be one card starters and then you can run 30 board breakers or hand traps with a deck like Tenpai, and it is like the 5th best deck, bring back the cards man.
Introduce a Smogen style tierlist system. Meta Decks & staples at the top and then introduce a few tiers below so less powerful decks can play against eachother.
unironically Pot to anywhere from 1-3 would be a gift to rogue far more than it would the decks that are blindingly card-advantage efficient at the top of the current meta. I'm for it
@@wademiller8276 unironically correct, it would help all decks to some degree but a random +1 is less meaningful to decks that have multiple 1- or 2-card combos and search their deck for everything they need. PoG to 1 would just replace a copy of Talents in a lot of peoples' side boards. Idk about PoG at 3 though, 3 PoGs are better than 1 Prosperity in 99% of circumstances, and people were already running 3 Prospys despite the fact you were almost never resolving it twice per duel. But it would be absolutely fine at 1 like all the other pot cards are.
My crack at the list? Take a page from Cardfight Vanguard and Digimon TCG's playbooks and implement a Banned Pairs/Groups feature as a supplement to the ban list. The idea is that, rather outright banning certain cards, you instead ban them from being put in your Main/Extra/Side Decks in conjunction with other cards that they are known to cause problems with. One example might be Beatrice, Transaction Rollback, and Fiendsmith Engraver existing in one group, so that if you put one of these 3 cards into your deck, you cannot also use either of the other 2. Want to put Beatrice into your deck? Cool! Just don't use her with Rollback to give you instant access to any trap in your deck, and you can't use the Fiendsmith engine to easily make her. Does that stop her from being a problem? I don't know, but it 100% takes away the 2 most recent headaches that she's been associated with. While also allowing BA players to continue using the card for what it was intended for.
This is an interesting idea and it might work but complex bans like this can often be more trouble than they’re worth. I’d rather just ban Beatrice for now and errata it to have non generic materials than make up a brand new and potentially confusing system that may or may not work.
@@rush22071Choice bans have been a staple of other jp tcgs for upwards of a decade. They're no more confusing than the goddamn war and peace impression of the current banlist
@@rush22071 Where I disagree is that we will never know if it works or not if we don't try it. We have to face the fact that YuGiOh as a game is built on a lot of very old architecture, using a lot of philosophies that may have been fine two decades ago, but have not aged well alongside our growing understanding of what makes games fun. Other card games are figuring out more elegant solutions to problems like these. On top of Banned Pairs, I believe it was Elestrals that, after having announced their first ban, also announced that they are releasing a retrain of that card at a later date that not only does what the original card did but in a more balanced way, but also adds to the lore of the game by featuring the character in new situations. And it doesn't harm the game's history by errataing the old card so that it can't try to hide the impact it had in Elestrals' early life. These are wonderful ideas that are showing real innovation in TCGs, and I want YuGiOh to understand that better solutions to its ancient problems exist, and should be embraced.
What's the problem isn't really shifter. As you mentioned Masterduel. They have shifter at 2 and no one really plays the card at all. The problem is they need to move shifter to 1 they don't need to outright ban it. There are other cards that are still around that are at 3 that people still use that makes these crazy combos and those cards would be better off being banned. Even Snow is legal at 3 which is just a free summon for cards to banish from the GY. That with Grass is just crazy especially if it is a deck that needs cards to be banished. While shifter at 1 won't matter as you have a high chance it will be milled to the GY and it is a smaller chance to have it in hand. If I made a ban list I could fix this crazy game but really it takes time because you need to really get rid of the soft once per turns that ruin the game. It's like with Zoodaic Ratpier in today's format it wouldn't hurt anything because it is already bat shit crazy lol. You have already one card combos and that card being at 2 wouldn't even change anything. The only thing is people will use Friendsmith and Snake-eyes in any kinda deck they can.
They said that the events before the banlist could have been the "last hurrah" for Yubel and SE and they are still the best decks in the format because they are basically still full power and untouched lol
I just want my Lego dragon back to one . Give errata to once per turn . We don’t have really any generic negates , Shifter staying , and Rocks haven’t done nothing since whenever. wtf .
I have a simple three step plan:
1. Allow more than three copies of a card per deck
2. Ban every card except for Celtic Guardian and Feral Imp
3. Profit.
I like jt
60 card feral imp stall tier 0
Limit raigeki too and let the chaos begin 😂
Nah, bro. I'm gonna shift the Celtic guardian format Ban everything except Giant Soldier of Stone and 1 limited Gaia the Fierce Knight. Just draw the out format.
Can we semi Upstart? For consistency.
Destiny Hero - Malicious but it has the Relentless Rats clause ("A deck can have any number of cards named "Relentless Rats")
56 Mali 3 ddraw 1 grass best deck
Not sure why you would want to put "Relentless Rats" in a Yu-Gi-Oh deck, you can't even get 2{b}1{c} mana to cast them! I don't even think there are any ways to special summon a "black" attribute or "Rat" type monster!
Jokes about Malicious allowing you to put a MTG card in your deck aside, something like 21+ malicious, a catapult turtle and a way to get 1 of the former in the GY and the latter on the field would be a pretty funny FTK.
"[X card] is completely legal in Master Duel. How do they get away with it?"
Maybe la cucaracha flattening every deck's winrate closer to 50% anyway?
This but unironically. So many stupid random combo enablers that are held back by one Level 2 Earth Insect. That said, Verte definitely still needs to be banned.
Yes... But no. Stuff like Verte is still just fine vs Maxx C and can just sorta make Santifire into Jowgen just as long as you can get two monsters on board. Decks ending on Collossus because they can fit in a search for Nemisis in their combo. ect. ect.
The big limiting factor I think is that most decks just can't plain FIT the horseshit combo into their builds. Extra Deck space is tight for many decks, and most top tier decks are trying to jam as many handtraps into their builds as possible so they can shut down the first turn play with Imperm/Veiler.
Also Kit is free at the cost of the entirety of Tearelements being absolutely butchered.
Like the entirety of the Adventure engine is available but most archtypes now are super dependent on their normal summon. So when deckbuilding I'm looking at it like "Yeah, I might be able to stuff it in, but I need my normal for Snake Ash/Herald/In Archtype starter.
++ Master Duel is a mostly casual game, and people just get tired of doing the same long combos.
the bug only accounts for so much.
Maxx C has nothing to do with it, it's the fact that MD is a best of 1 format. That allows a LOT of leeway for jank that wouldn't normally see play because the opponent would just adapt in the rest of the match.
@@felixdaniels37 Yes, my brother in Christ. Maxx C, a card that demands you simply draw the out or lose on the spot has absolutely nothing to do with introducing more RNG into the game.
Damn, I hope the roach is at least paying y'all for all the top you're giving it.
I honestly think this idea could be a miniseries. Having fans attempt to edit a format in such a way just by removing cards, not adding any, and playing a game on DB to see if it's good enough to fix the format. I know it's sort of like a previous series MBT did but that was mostly his own influence. im thinking we get the fans to do this.
Miniseries because technically it's a spin-off of Twitter Thread.
As someone who has played Goat Format pretty extensively, I would kill to see a version where they ban Delinquent Duo. It's an unfun, super swingy card that doesn't add any interesting elements that Trap Dustshoot doesn't do better.
@forsetimaster0689 Might as well ban Trap Dustshoot too because having hand knowledge while ripping shouldn't be allowed man lol
Sounds fun, how would you handle new releases?
@@maxmaus4402 same way we do in the TCG
We dont
an old MBT series but we outsource the content to chat? its peam
"I'm gonna rescue Ace Air Lifter" is peak low effort meme.
Really living up to that first name, Mr President.
Give me back Isolde I promise I am a mentally stable human being that can be trusted.
I second this, I'll say it till its backwards, Free Isolde.
Isolde to 1 could work since most warrior decks played 2 of her
i know isolde caused so many issues for the game but i miss being able to play infernobles pure, without having to play a diabellstar package
Wow, MBT was right. Another card that's unlim in MD doing absolutely nothing, yet it's still banned here...
They banned Isolde the moment she was at her weakest
To your “X is legal in MasterDuel” bit, its normally because instead of banning the root of the problem, they slaughter everything else to make it highly inconsistent.
Or they just don't want ban UR cards too often
Yeah, that’s sort of my reaction to the “See, Kitkallos is legal here and it’s fine!” bit. It’s fine because the rest of the tearlaments archetype is decimated! You can mix it with other stuff, I’m sure, but the core of the archetype (and the tear 0 format) is gone. I was so annoyed by the deck when it launched at first because of how it played but after facing the current meta I was like “Maybe I was too harsh on you…” and thought about playing around with the archetype but when I saw that most of the mermaids were straight up *banned* not limited I was like “Changed my mind, I’m building Mannadium”
@neferacronia6798
That tends to be the thing with Yugioh players. Folks will get frustrated with a neat Tier 0 deck, get a God awful diverse format, and look fondly on the Tier 0 again.
It hurts to say, but I think it's safe to assume Yugioh is just a bad game badly designed. Cause every skull testing format/deck gets slaughtered instantly.
I don't understand the Verte Anaconda one though. The fact that card is still legal is just mind boggling. I've been Jowgen + Sanctifire combo'd in Voiceless Voice too many times to know that card needs to fucking go.
@@neferacronia6798 1 mermaid is banned, it is probably the third best deck and it is played pure this days. You whiffed on all accounts
I can’t wait for the problem cards to be nerfed so that the next busted and op cards can come out and then we’ll be like “I mean… _____ can come off the banlist it wouldn’t be doing much in this format” and for that cycle to repeat until the heat death of the universe
I sure do wish set rotation was good. Oh wait.
You heard it folks, Set Rotation to 3
What I hate is a theme that I noticed with specific cards. They are released, in only high rarity, obviously problematic and op but those with sufficient cash can freely play them. Then konami packs them into reprint packs so everyone buys them, only to ban these chase cards afterwards.
Baron releases. What? A generic negates and pop is broken? Sorry can't hear you over all of my MONEY. Okay let's pack it into the rarity collection to sell packs. Hmmm too many have that card now. Let's ban it.
Same with Apo in rarity collection 2.
Mark my words: if rarity collection 3 gives us little knight: the same will happen
On the bright side: Little Knight banned! Hooray!
Honestly have no idea why shifter, sanct, or dogwood survived the list. Stops games, unnecessary lock, and instawin even NEAR time
master duel banlist guy getting hired for tcg
It would be nice for Shifter to get hit but let's be honest, people have been asking for it's ban for years and it's still around, so I can see why that card survived at least.
Not saying it doesn't deserve to be banned mind you because it definitely does.
dogwood is not that good idk what to tell you, it's a time card that can just fail to work if it's close enough to time
If you’re having issues with dogwood, the real dog is in your deck list
Skill issue. You suck
And here i thought it's masochist banlist tournament announcement 😔😔😔
People are still scared of Brilliant Fusion? In two and a half years of MD I have never seen it resolve once, and Fairy Tail Snow is legal there.
Everyone complains about Shifter (and it is a problem card), but I think Droll is almost as bad. Both of them shut down several decks and are just really unfun to deal with. I don't think they need to be banned, but putting them to 1 would make them a lot less likely to show up.
Also, I agree that Verte can come back. If any two monsters equal Fiendsmith combo, then any two should equal Verte for the budget players.
And finally, they should have hit Sanctifire, not Branded Fusion, but everyone (except Konami) knows that.
My argument for Verte is that it's basically just S:P that is stronger but forces you to play bricks in your deck. It's a trade-off.
All that putting crazy main deck cards to 1 does is make them even more sacky and luck based. If it's broken at 3 it's broken at 1, just less likely to come up. It's a bad system. Unironically the only things that should be limited/semi'd are extra deck cards. And maybe, like, main deck cards like raigeki+dark hole or the various pots where they're similar enough you don't want people running multiple playsets of basically the same card so you have to assemble a playset from all the limited ones.
@@12thLevelSithLord Exactly. Ban Shifter, ban Droll.
Unironically bring Drident back to 3 she's not gonna do anything wrong in this day and age
I still like that Grass is back
I don't, but good for you
If you open grass in 60 I'm picking up my cards and going next anyone who let's it resolve has nun better to do 💀
Ok but WHY can Linkross not come back? Nobody can ever explain that part. We remember that this card’s function in HalqDon was to add 1 singular draw to the combo at the cost of taking 4 additional extra deck slots, right? Adamacipator used it to diversify their available levels in their Halq plays. Now not only is Halq gone, but the other possible abuser, Isolde, is also gone. What are we worried about? Dragunity??? In 2024????
The same applies to auroradon
@@VictorFC Well thats not true bc Auroradon summons its own tuner after summoning tokens, so it makes a synchro board by itself
Problem with those 3 links is the same problem with the Appo Baronne IP Savage boards:
instead of doing their own unique thing, every single deck does the exact same combo into the exact same endboard
thankfully those problem cards are banned, is why Closed Moon is the big problem card of the format rn
That was about the second weakest use of Linkross, behind Linking off Altergeist Hexstia.
Linkross was also used for the Librarian draw 4 combo, all the Adamancipator combos, all the Dragon Link combos, and all the Infernoble Knight combos, all of which used it to significantly greater effect.
@@cephalosjr.1835all of those decks currently have better things to do and/or are not as impressive nowadays without halq. Anyways, better safe than sorry
Solemns we're played fairly heavily at the time Cannahawk got limited. Meaning if your effect got negated or popped then you insta-lost since you didn't have a second copy.
Why am I watching Arnold Schwarzenegger in a Lidl commercial? I haven‘t touched Yugioh for like 20 years. Why is Mr Rothchild so appealing with his little cards?
I'm genuinely surprised nobody has thought of this sooner
"I like when people cry about Branded" -A proud Branded players
3:00 I don't care how much dire is getting paid, she deserves a raise
It took me so long to realise what you mean 😭😭
5:29 you didn't have to remind me of this. . .
AINT NO WAAAAAY WE GOT A BRAK SHOW INTRO!
this series is just an arms races to decide which will happen first, joseph runs out of questions or dire runs out of shows to use for the intro.
Super Unlimited actually goated idea
i'll never understand why ppl want oss banned instead of ash and flamberge. i thought the little window of time where we just had diabellstar\wanted as a neat little engine to find ur level 1 fire guy that could be splashed into several different decks was rly cool
I agree I think OSS and Diabellstar is a fun engine same for the Fendsmith but Flamberge is just way to much
Ash and flamberge are strong but really what makes it supper consistent is oss not to mention it ties the snake eyes into the asamina cards and let's snake eyes be splashed everywhere.
OSS is the objectively best hit and you wouldn't even need to limit ash or ban flamberge why because now imperm ash or veiler on snake eyes ash has only one extender. As cool as the witch wanted engine is it comes at the expense of the format.
@@Alkhemia8fiendsmith is dog water design and although I believe the lacrima hit is not only a good hit and a neccessary one the engine should get hit more either a hit to ceaser or desirae or both.
@@cuttlefish6839 It's closed moon that is the problem, not caesar and especially not dies irae. Is requiem a poorly designed card? Yeah. But does fiendsmith deserve to get BOTH its fusions killed? No. Ban the card that lets you splash the engine into anything that gets 2 bodies on board, not the deck's only payoffs.
So, my reason for having OSS banned would affect multiple things:
- Wanted Engine can still be played and doesn't automatically translate to a lvl. 1 fire monster (SE)
- It hits consistency for SE, which they did anyway with this list
- Azamina would still be good, just without the snake-eye bridge (and if you still want to play them together regardless, then it's up to deckbuilding)
- SE also loses a Version with that in Fireking SE (no brdige for getting into the Firekings with SE)
All in all it would have been a perfect hit while still letting SE be playable, letting the Wanted Engine untouched and the Azamina would still be a good Deck.
That being said, banning OSS alone wouldn't have been enough imo.
Its insane that merrli being banned is the card that allows both Elf and Kitkallos to both be legal in master duel and not do too much (though toad also is killed)
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I know the last part was a joke but I’m actually using tengu + revolution synchron for speeder + dragster this format…
If I could play any number of malicious I would play 6, so I could potentially draw the anti exodia of 5 mali top card mali and rage so hot it powers the eastern seaboard for the next 30 years
Honestly i have said this before and as a pendulum player if they brought back electrumite it wont make pendulum tier one yes it will make pendulum more playable but not the best deck
We need something to unbrick what Flambe stuck in the corner
IMO, spyral is not played in MD because the timer
tears I believe is really limited in MD but it seems they are returning.... slowly
Verte and elf..... seriously how are we alright in MD?
Spyral is also pretty much unhit in the OCG (2 Quick-fix, that's it) and got like 2 Tops in the last few months. The deck is just worse than the new decks on the block, and, suffers a lot under Maxx C.
Tear has been within the top 5 decks of MD for a while, but is just constantly worse than the new stuff, so not really worth hitting
Verte and Elf are just missing a home, that can abuse them.
Tears are gonna be so back with lightsworn.
The only relevant summon off Verte is DPE and he's not exactly the force he used to be.
Skill Drain and Summon Limit should be Unlimited, Card of Demise too. U must play Backrow removal. Ban this cards: Sanctifire, Protos, Colussus, D barrier, EEVirus, Diff Dimension ground, Harpie Storm, Anti Spell fragrance, (Shifter only if Grass is banned, if no should stay at 3).
While I like the idea of actually making people want to play back row removal, adding more floodgates ain't the way. Floodgates fuckin' suck and should be unilaterally named.
Vomiting Horse meme here
thought this was a massochist banlist video for a sec and got my hopes crushed
Why did Promethean Princess not lock you into fire monster and require fire monsters to make, I feel she is the enabler no one talks about
Real talk I we could even get drident, barrage and broadbull back and we would be fine.
I think if you're unhitting Zoo it would be more fun to get Rat to 3 instead of Broadbull. Realistically it wouldn't do much but actual Zoo decks will have some plays with it.
@@rocapbg9518rat to 3 would be insane lol
It'd be really funny to hit snake eye only to then bring back the original broken 1 card combo deck with double digit starters
Zoo could easily end on udf + ip through hand traps off of one rat, and that's without additional extenders, drident and broadbull
Also notable that they'd be a shifter deck too, except a much more powerful, resilient and consistent one than ritual beasts now
@@andrejv.2834 that's a really shit end board. It doesn't matter if it's through hand traps, any modern engine breaks through this, let alone any board breaker. Also when talking about a deck abusing shifter, I don't think the deck is the problem.
@@rocapbg9518 it's off of one card though, and without drident, broadbull and norden, that's another thing to consider, you're ending on more with additional extenders and are backed up by 20+ non engine
Also they could just use the fiendsmith engine too and end on udf + caesar off of one card and through hand traps, which is something that's much harder to break, especially as udf is a difficult card to out by itself, especially since it steals permenently too
Decks aren't gonna be breaking through this without board breakers
Idk about broadbull, we have F0 and tri-brigade now. Every other zoo card except rat could be at 3 and the deck would be maybe tier 2 though.
0:07 reference to B.J. who?
7:16 not the Ready Player One reference 😭😭😭
Omg that’s so based
Tried to make a hypothetical banlist(pretend the August one was this) and here is what I ended up with. Tried to hit top tier decks hard but not unplayable while giving bones to decks that were falling off or won't be too troublesome
Banned
Dimensional Shifter
Albion Sanctifier Dragon(its hurts me)
Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal
Original Sinful Spoils-Snake-eyes
Limitied
Snake-eyes Ash
Glow-up bulb
Phantom of Yubel
Number 40
Number C40
Zoodiac Drident
Summon Sorceress(errta)
Electrimuite
Meow-mu
Branded Fusion
Sangen Summoning
Semi-limited
Unchained Shavara
Miscellanesousrus
Gamma
Merill
Chaos Space
Opening Gates
Unlimited
Happy Memory
Sleepy Memory
Naturia Sacred Tree
Branded Fusion is an unnecessary hit if Sanctifire is gone.
Dang, now I have to evolve my merill into an azumarill
Ash might even be an unnecessary hit with oss gone since it losses witch wanted and azamina no longer supports them. Either way yeah OSS was always correct
However you forgot Lacrima ban and shifter I doubt would even be a reasonable hit. The game just needs to evolve into one that's not 100% reliant on the gy won't help older decks who are necessarily but it will reduce the prevalence of shifter.
Legit question but what would Broadbull change with Ratpier at 1/0?
You get to search a beast warrior, I think we are past that being overpowered
Tri zoo and futureproofing, as the ocg designs cards with broadbull's ban in mind
I think something that would be interesting would be introducing a new tier to the Banlist, Restricted. You can only play one Restricted card in your deck, so if Pot of Greed and Maxx "C" were both Restricted your deck could have either a Pot of Greed or Maxx "C", but not both.
Literally no one would pick pot of greed man. At WORST C is a draw 4 if your opponent doesn’t just surrender on the spot.
Pot of Greed does have some interactions, such as being able to use it when going first. And if Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds were also on said restriction list, if could cause an influx of Floowandereeze players that Maxx C wouldn't be effective against.
@@NeonCitizenTeal have you ever heard of establishing a board, passing and then dropping maxx C on someone?
Also you just didn’t mention the statue. Regardless there’s just one correct answer for every single deck and it is maxx c. Floo being unaffected by it and being the only playable deck that is unaffected by it doesn’t make pot of greed better lmao
If you go first and open with Maxx C in hand, you have 4 cards to make your board. If you have Pot of Greed you have 6 cards to make your board.
Pot of Greed is also spell card, which some decks may care about, and can still be effective in low against low special summon decks.
@@NeonCitizenTeal yeah you kinda forgot one crucial detail about modern yu gi oh, and that’s hand traps. Maxx C is exactly as powerful as the cards its draws you, and that is to say VERY powerful. Obviously the number of non engine varies greatly but even if you take the middle ground of 15 hand traps at this point, if you maxx c after setting up a board in draw you will be drawing into so many hand traps it will not matter what your opponent does, they are NOT breaking your board. In this case maxx c STILL wins over the one extra card greed got you.
Terraforming should be at 3 ...but only for Super Quantum decks ...namely mine ...and mine alone.
Probably a bad take but I feel if the weaker alternative to Tomahawk in Dracossack isn't used despite doing roughly the same thing (it is an inherent link-3) leads me to believe we could unban Tomahawk and nothing would really change
God I love being priced out of my once favorite game. Casual Yugioh doesn’t exist and isn’t fun. So the only option is just another card game.
It sucks because casual YGO does exist in OCG, but it doesn't in TCG because of how Konami structures and prices sets.
Hot take, but in my opinion, Yugioh has gotten to a point beyond "saving" the game; they should either implement a rotating standard format like Pokemon or MTG where only 3 or 4 of the latest sets are legal, or they need to do what Dragon Ball did with Fusion world and completely reboot the game with a brand new one
I mean, they already did a sort of reboot with rush duel, but no one talks about that-
I agree. The game is beyond saving.
"Ban Sanctifire"
Play 1 Bystial.
Branded player spotted
Running 6 what am I supposed to do if I don't draw them? Just lose... at the start of my main phase? Putting an immediate threat to turn skip that I have to stop before I even play into the board is so toxic and Konamis biggest design mistake they keep making.
i actually like that baronne, boreload, and apo are banned. im not overly excited about it, not very upset about it either, just think its kinda cool. keeping with the trend, i do agree for accesscode to be banned, what else? i think i:p should go too
Idk part of me has to agree with the people saying "You can't use master duel to gauge how the card will do in the tcg".
It's a best of one format that you won't run into these decks constantly vs going to locals or a tournament and seeing the meta decks everywhere.
You don't get to side deck at all (which to me is a plus),
Maybe i'm wrong, I don't play the card game on a higher level than online battles and dueling friends/siblings, but I'm pretty sure cards like Verte that were banned not too long ago due to how powerful they were, would still be powerful and probably used day one if they were legal.
But hey, i'm the person that said before the banlist that they should just unban master plan and put Ratpier to 2 so that way we could see the reactions of the community.
5:18 Too soon
5:43 As someone who leans in that direction, you have zero fucking idea how much I felt this in my soul
Your ANCOM reference fucking slayed me
one simple idea:
spright elf requires a spright monster. halq requires a crystron tuner. release them both but limit gigantic spright so he can't just throw their mats into play .
I think it'd be cool to see cards with a line of text "you can up to x copies of (card name) in your deck". Magic does it and it's neat.
Imo a very simple solution to the single too powerful engines and decks is official tier lists by Konami. And then tier 1/0 decks shouldn’t be allowed to use the best or worst case not any handtraps. That would make handtraps help the lower decks to get by tier 1/0 decks like they were once supposed to be.
Would be very easy to put things in those official tier1/0 group which by using a single card of it makes the abstrafst forbidden for you.
Right now?
Snake eyes
Fiendsmith
Yubel
No handtraps for you (maybe only imperm)
4:00 100% correct!
Do it in Master Duel. Just to get them to play something else for once in their card game career.
Easy, ban every card printed from POTE onwards, issue an apology for the awful game design change facilitated by one card combo nonsense that caused powercreep to go completely out of control, and then actually print cards that don't make over half of the "rouge" decks that previously existed completely unplayable.
While the banlist did hurt Snake-Eyes (or as I like to call them, Serpent-Eyed Scoundrels) a bit, I’m worried about what the future holds. (Lookin’ at you, Azamina…)
Electrumite is legal in Masterduel and it literally hasnt done anything in Masterduels meta. It can easily get taken off the list with no trouble. I also agree that Sanctifire should have been banned instead of limiting Branded Fusion.
I actually wonder how different the game would be if the limited to 1 and 2 followed how they work in Duel Links
Imagine Snake-Eyes having to chose to use either Ash or Poplar but not both.
0:08 IS THAT A MF BRAK SHOW REFERENCE????
The Cannahawk hit was meant to make your combo more fragile and because people were complaining about long combo lines. It was fine as a tier 2 or 2.5 deck at the time but 1 Cannahawk did make the deck a bit worse.
Banlist tournament when? Save us!
Hey MBT, if you read this... pls do another moron banlist tournament (I'm like 98.74% sure the list from 6:24 would change nothing about the meta game)
Bruh, spright elf alone is gonna change the meta.
Oh poor Eclipse Wyvern. My old dragon deck will never make a return. Such a shame
Broadbull a no? what are people so scared of with him? your opponent searching fucking fraktall? come on now
Tri brigade has been at least rogue ever since simorgh got banned, giving them an extra deck starter + more zeus material would be extremely powerful, especially in a non full power snakes format
@@andrejv.2834 lmfao
@@Carlet_S ?
@@andrejv.2834 you actually ARE scared of a fraktall search, be for real
@@Carlet_S I already gave my opinion on broadbull so idk what the point of these comments is?
That ace joke was incredible
Imo Spright elf isn't banned in master duel because tearlaments merrli is
MBT shouting at a blurry jpeg of EclipseWyvern is exactly why i came.....here
At this point, konami should implement rules like in duel links, where the banlist prevents people from playing all the legal strong cards together. Think cards like skill drain, some snake eyes cards, some fiend smith cards ect. Just keep the top decks from having multiple consistency cards and the best hand traps.
Halq should just lock you into Crystrons for the turn, easy errata, should have never been generic
WAIT, HANG ON! RITUAL BEAST CAME BACK AND I SLEPT THROUGH IT!?!?!?
Konami needs to add more support to other protag archetypes.... Getting triple negated before I could even summon a cyber dragon is ruff.... The worst part is even if I battled I couldn't do anything because they could banish
why do people care about Protoss when Eschatos is more often situationally useful? it’s so fucking fun to completely shut down Yubel with one card
Because it's harder ro enable than protoss my guess
Did you give dire a raise. This one goes crazy
I started playing Yu-Gi-Oh! a few months ago with Swordsoul Tenyi, and Archnemeses Protos was and remains the coolest fucking shit ever to me-a ray of hope for my fallen-from-grace janky little rogue deck in a world full of yubel and snake eyes. Let us have something, please. When we fix the game he can go.
The real answer is we need something between shifter and dd crow in terms of power, like maybe a first 3 cards floodgate banish. For both players. It may not stop a full combo, but it may cause some sort of weaker play.
1 MILLION YEARS OF SNAKE-EYES
My take is unban Mine, and put Duster/Heavy Storm to 3. Also banning all the "generic" spell floodgates like Secret Village, Anti Spell Fragrance, and yes, Nat Beast too.
To explain why spiral doesn’t see play… it’s bc of the clock
Hindsight is definitely at play but I don't play the TCG so when I saw lacroma was a common for the first time while watching a farfas opening, I was amazed that no one called or being banned. Yea it's a new strat but it's a common.....
My addition to the current list: semi-limit every searching spell card in the game, except the ones already banned or limited. Slows the game down, looks fair at a glance, and gives Yugi-tubers something to ramble about since they dislike semi-limits…. Medallion of the Ice Barrier can stay though, they haven’t done anything yet.
They should make Linkuriboh banish itself after leaving the field after using it's special summon effect, so it's not as good and I can use it because it's cute and I like it
i think fiber jar could come to 3 and be pretty neat. :D
Here's how you fix the game: Put everything (except Malicious) at 1. Malicious stays at 3 because he only just got out of prison.
D. Shifter needs to take a ban, but it needs it a lot less than all the cards that create non-games post-siding imo. At least you have to build an entire deck around Shifter. That's not the case for D. Barrier, Skill Drain, Anti-Spell, Deck Lockdown, EER, whatever card in this vein you name it I want to ban it.
my friend just started playing yugioh a bit ago and for his first competent, still casual, deck he got appaloosa for it, the day after it arrived the banlist dropped
You know, that one guy who said all of those cards can come back and it wouldn't change a thing, he is right. There are so many cards that in theory could break the format, but with how consistent and powerful decks are now, those decks don't need to abuse those banned card tools, it should in fact help other strategies get better. If cards can be one card starters and then you can run 30 board breakers or hand traps with a deck like Tenpai, and it is like the 5th best deck, bring back the cards man.
master peace to 1. that is all.
As long as Diagram stays at 1, I will accept that.
Introduce a Smogen style tierlist system. Meta Decks & staples at the top and then introduce a few tiers below so less powerful decks can play against eachother.
Not enough data for that. Only reason smogon works is the hundreds of thousands of monthly games.
@@nonadqs I think Master Duel has a good enough amount of traffic, to get something together.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 MD maybe could but this is talking about TCG which are too different.
As a retuing player: I cant believe they unbanned the Dragon Rulers.
Upon seeing the new meta:Wtf is this shit, this is legal.
Unban pot of greed. Fight me
Card hasn’t topped in years so it might as well get off the list.
unironically Pot to anywhere from 1-3 would be a gift to rogue far more than it would the decks that are blindingly card-advantage efficient at the top of the current meta. I'm for it
Long as it’s not graceful charity
@@gregorbonne9089 that card can come back to three as well. I looked it up, card hasn’t topped once in the last 3 years.
Just get rid of the bloat
@@wademiller8276 unironically correct, it would help all decks to some degree but a random +1 is less meaningful to decks that have multiple 1- or 2-card combos and search their deck for everything they need. PoG to 1 would just replace a copy of Talents in a lot of peoples' side boards. Idk about PoG at 3 though, 3 PoGs are better than 1 Prosperity in 99% of circumstances, and people were already running 3 Prospys despite the fact you were almost never resolving it twice per duel. But it would be absolutely fine at 1 like all the other pot cards are.
Malicious to 39
D Shifter is not interactive? my Orange Light beg to differ 😂
Snake eyes was definitely significantly affected, major consistency drop
Yeah and two hand traps absolutely destroys the deck’s combos, people who are complaining probably don’t even play anything above low rogue.
True. Joshua Schmidt did the math, they went from a 95% chance to draw a one card starter to an 84% chance
Losing Apolousa and Beatrice was a bigger hit to Snake-Eyes than any of the actual Snake-Eyes hits
@@51msY but last year i got 58 starters!
even if this solved the issues with SE it would last all of 5 weeks until rota comes out
@@51msYdid he also go over the non existant followup they have now with just one poplar?
My crack at the list? Take a page from Cardfight Vanguard and Digimon TCG's playbooks and implement a Banned Pairs/Groups feature as a supplement to the ban list.
The idea is that, rather outright banning certain cards, you instead ban them from being put in your Main/Extra/Side Decks in conjunction with other cards that they are known to cause problems with. One example might be Beatrice, Transaction Rollback, and Fiendsmith Engraver existing in one group, so that if you put one of these 3 cards into your deck, you cannot also use either of the other 2. Want to put Beatrice into your deck? Cool! Just don't use her with Rollback to give you instant access to any trap in your deck, and you can't use the Fiendsmith engine to easily make her. Does that stop her from being a problem? I don't know, but it 100% takes away the 2 most recent headaches that she's been associated with. While also allowing BA players to continue using the card for what it was intended for.
This is an interesting idea and it might work but complex bans like this can often be more trouble than they’re worth. I’d rather just ban Beatrice for now and errata it to have non generic materials than make up a brand new and potentially confusing system that may or may not work.
@@rush22071Choice bans have been a staple of other jp tcgs for upwards of a decade. They're no more confusing than the goddamn war and peace impression of the current banlist
Except vanguard is somehow in a worse spot compared to ygo lol.
@@rush22071 Where I disagree is that we will never know if it works or not if we don't try it. We have to face the fact that YuGiOh as a game is built on a lot of very old architecture, using a lot of philosophies that may have been fine two decades ago, but have not aged well alongside our growing understanding of what makes games fun. Other card games are figuring out more elegant solutions to problems like these. On top of Banned Pairs, I believe it was Elestrals that, after having announced their first ban, also announced that they are releasing a retrain of that card at a later date that not only does what the original card did but in a more balanced way, but also adds to the lore of the game by featuring the character in new situations. And it doesn't harm the game's history by errataing the old card so that it can't try to hide the impact it had in Elestrals' early life. These are wonderful ideas that are showing real innovation in TCGs, and I want YuGiOh to understand that better solutions to its ancient problems exist, and should be embraced.
@yugidude1 "war and peace"
Bro a card is either at 1 2 3 or 0
What's the problem isn't really shifter. As you mentioned Masterduel. They have shifter at 2 and no one really plays the card at all. The problem is they need to move shifter to 1 they don't need to outright ban it. There are other cards that are still around that are at 3 that people still use that makes these crazy combos and those cards would be better off being banned. Even Snow is legal at 3 which is just a free summon for cards to banish from the GY. That with Grass is just crazy especially if it is a deck that needs cards to be banished. While shifter at 1 won't matter as you have a high chance it will be milled to the GY and it is a smaller chance to have it in hand. If I made a ban list I could fix this crazy game but really it takes time because you need to really get rid of the soft once per turns that ruin the game. It's like with Zoodaic Ratpier in today's format it wouldn't hurt anything because it is already bat shit crazy lol. You have already one card combos and that card being at 2 wouldn't even change anything. The only thing is people will use Friendsmith and Snake-eyes in any kinda deck they can.
They said that the events before the banlist could have been the "last hurrah" for Yubel and SE and they are still the best decks in the format because they are basically still full power and untouched lol
I just want my Lego dragon back to one . Give errata to once per turn . We don’t have really any generic negates , Shifter staying , and Rocks haven’t done nothing since whenever. wtf .