I got recommended a marvel collector channel yesterday who highlighted the secret lair. He knew nothing about how secret lairs work, etc. Trust me...people will know. Your concern on that front is unfounded.
This guy and many other MTG yappers have their luke warm hot takes every week to give them something to whine about. Having the Magic brand at NYCC Comic Con was perfect timing. This guy just wants to yap.
This one might result in the highest fomo salt fest because of the limited print model. It's possible that the mavel lairs could have its stock split between the secretlair store and the hasbro pulse store.
I must confess, salty, and I am usually low sodium. If I have all the other cards in the secret lair except the hero, this feels ridiculous, but I'm going to have to decide now if I want to make a Wolverine deck, now or never? So suck it wizards, I have comic art cards from the 90s that look cool and I have plenty Wolverines with great art and I already built my deck AND played 3 games so far because our players are always the chillest and smartest cats on the planet they let me run on it and we all had fun, again, most sincerely, suck it wizards. Put it in a set so I can access one at one point in the future.
Im new to mtg, about 3 months. One of my friends that isnt into the game and had no idea that i just started getting into it, reached out to me to show me the marvel cards and said “i think its time to start getting into mtg”. Trust me, non mtg players that are into marvel know of this release. Especially since it was announced at Comic Con. It’s not gonna be 100% perfect, but huge marvels fans are aware of it and already looking forward for it.
I'm disappointed that they are not using popular comic artists to do the artwork... at least Peach Momoko should have done Storm. If WotC wants to bring in comic book nerds they need to use comic book artists to do the artwork imo.
I love your passion, I think they are just going for a big splash to the collectible side of the TCG world. I expect they see what has been happening with Pokemon and Lorcana doing very well outside of the player community but with the huge collector community (like your Collect A Con, comment). So I get this, I think their hope is that they get stuff in the cases of vendors at card shows, where you know and I know that MTG simply isn't a player in that space.
They 100% will, this is a collab in a magnitude which WotC probably never had before. There's some serious money to be made in targetting both MtG and Marvel/Comic fans. Considering they now also have control over Commander, I think this will be the most reprint heavy set of staple cards we've ever seen
The thing that sets magic apart from other card games is the legacy and the player base that has been around for so long, and it's just confusing why they are trying so hard to appeal to the new player audience. They will never have the new player appeal that pokemon or lorcana or one piece has because those are bringing in players from other areas. I mean, I don't think that magic should disregard new players, but the decisions they've made in the past few years read like, we want to go after new players at all costs because older players will buy whatever we do.
They're starting with a Secret Lair is probably because every mechanically unique Marvel character will be reprinted in a larger tentpole set. They want to pad the bottom line by *taking advantage of FOMO* by folks who think this'll be the only time these cards will show up, and it gives new players a starting point (Secret Lair designed like a quickstart for a Commander-deck-to-be) so it still seems like it could be a good purchase. The c-suite folks have backgrounds in digital production and distribution, what's one huge thing that plagues video game releases? Timed exclusivity. And that's all this is. Game stores get nothing out of this so I can see these 'heroes' being very proxy-friendly and proxy-acceptable.
I couldn’t disagree with you more, aside from the fact that this was announced at comicon were all sorts of nerds, not just magic nerds will be, and so everybody knows about it. I think that players who are currently playing should be able to get the first taste of marvel in magic.
I don't see it passing LotR for sales just for the fact how much they sold to people who didn't even care just wanted to pull the 1-1 One ring or the serialized sol rings, the chase drove a ton of those sales and dont see marvel surpassing that target. Might give it a good attempt same with if they ever made universe beyond Star wars or a full warhammer 40k set
Personally I hate this UB trash and wish it were only reskins of existing cards but the big question is not is it bringing people in. It is. We all know that. The questions to ask are 1: Are they playing or just buying? 2: If they’re playing, are they staying? And 3: Are there enough new people coming in replacing enough or more of the people who leave?
Hey brother -am I doing something wrong? The cardboard finance site hasn't updated Sorcery numbers in a couple weeks. I'm very curious to see it's progress! Thanks!
I don't mind the crossovers, but I wish they had an in universe version for each card. They've done some, but they're putting out so many cards too fast. I'm sure plenty of people would like an in universe version of The One Ring reprinted.
I must confess, salty, and I am usually low sodium. If I have all the other cards in the secret lair except the hero, this feels ridiculous, but I'm going to have to decide now if I want to make a Wolverine deck, now or never? So suck it wizards, I have comic art cards from the 90s that look cool and I have plenty Wolverines with great art and I already built my deck AND played 3 games so far because our players are always the chillest and smartest cats on the planet they let me run on it and we all HAD FUN SO THERE, again, most sincerely, suck it wizards. Put it in a set so I can access one at one point in the future.
I can't wait for a MtG/My Little Pony crossover!...or MtG/Sesame Street! Can't wait to get my hands on a foil mythic rare, of a Legendary Creature like Kermit the Frog!
Really!? I meant it as a joke...like, the most outlandish MTG crossover I could think of. Just goes to show how much I know - or even care - about 'modern' Magic...
@@morikanti they're both HASBRO. It's the same reason they did NERF and Transformers as early gimmick cards in the Universes Beyond thing. Actually I'm pretty sure the MLP cards predate the Walking Dead Secret Lair.
@@MunchKING indeed, MLP is also Hasbro. But, then again, so is Sesame Street, Mr. Potato Head, and Teletubbies (to list but a few). Fingers crossed, but there's a possibility that they can pervert modern MTG even further... I had no idea that NERF, Transformers and Walking Dead had sneeked in already. Like I said before, I know next to nothing about what happened to MTG post 2003, and I believe it shows. I'll just stick to playing Premodern, a format which includes all the cards I knew and loved, an fixed cardpool, and all the variety I could want from the game. Anyway. Thank you for filling in some of the many blanks in my serioulsy lacking modern MTG history. Cheers!
So Marvel and Magic the Gathering had a choice: affordable tons of collectable cards for new players to MTG orrrrrr LIMITED RARITY BUY NOW BEFORE SCALPERS GET IT ALL AND YOU'LL NEED TO BUY IT ON THE SECONDARY MARKET FOR 1000x markup. Which one would these multibillion dollar companies want to pick? Please the consumers/player base or themselves and MONEY. Yeah they sold out for short term profit over long term loyalty and increased playerbase.
When all is said and done, mechanically unique secret lair cardboards won't be a big issue due to alternate art versions but it's poor form and wizards should have learned this by now.
Agreed Blaze - we always end up seeing these cards get printed in avalible sets, but there’s a window where it just sucks and feels a bit more inaccessible.
@@HometownTcg just and fyi that it was released at NYCC this weekend with variant covers for Storm and Wolverine comic books and a sweet Dr. Strange counterspell. Literally one of the most hyped and expensive exclusives of the cons. Easily created millions of impressions from influencers.
I see a lot of new faces at the card shop, the problem is, they come in, buy a precon, play for a week or two and then they are gone... Magic is now the stomping ground of the transient cardboard player.... MTG is for HOBOs of TCG's
Idk about that I would think they are playing casually maybe just not at the game store - but without that first moment there cannot be a second. While all those players might not stick around, some of them do!
Keep the conversation going in the HTTCG Discord: discord.gg/7mJeFfFdYH
they announced the secret lair at comic con... trust me ... they are marketing this to marvel fans.. not just magic fans
Geeks in marvel are geeks in magic 9 times outta 10
@@1coolnika133 fact check, trust me bro
I got recommended a marvel collector channel yesterday who highlighted the secret lair. He knew nothing about how secret lairs work, etc. Trust me...people will know. Your concern on that front is unfounded.
Who
This guy and many other MTG yappers have their luke warm hot takes every week to give them something to whine about. Having the Magic brand at NYCC Comic Con was perfect timing. This guy just wants to yap.
This one might result in the highest fomo salt fest because of the limited print model. It's possible that the mavel lairs could have its stock split between the secretlair store and the hasbro pulse store.
I must confess, salty, and I am usually low sodium. If I have all the other cards in the secret lair except the hero, this feels ridiculous, but I'm going to have to decide now if I want to make a Wolverine deck, now or never?
So suck it wizards, I have comic art cards from the 90s that look cool and I have plenty Wolverines with great art and I already built my deck AND played 3 games so far because our players are always the chillest and smartest cats on the planet they let me run on it and we all had fun,
again, most sincerely,
suck it wizards. Put it in a set so I can access one at one point in the future.
Im new to mtg, about 3 months. One of my friends that isnt into the game and had no idea that i just started getting into it, reached out to me to show me the marvel cards and said “i think its time to start getting into mtg”. Trust me, non mtg players that are into marvel know of this release. Especially since it was announced at Comic Con. It’s not gonna be 100% perfect, but huge marvels fans are aware of it and already looking forward for it.
I’m patiently waiting for when Guyver: Dark Hero is made into a magic card. 😬😬😬😬😬
I'm disappointed that they are not using popular comic artists to do the artwork... at least Peach Momoko should have done Storm. If WotC wants to bring in comic book nerds they need to use comic book artists to do the artwork imo.
Yes! This was the exact same conversation that my husband and I had. These Secret Lairs would have been so much cooler with original comic artists.
Yes! This was the exact same conversation that my husband and I had. These Secret Lairs would have been so much cooler with original comic artists.
Yes! This was the exact same conversation that my husband and I had. These Secret Lairs would have been so much cooler with original comic artists.
Secret lair should be game store exclusive
YES...exactly this
WITH Msrp...
I love your passion, I think they are just going for a big splash to the collectible side of the TCG world. I expect they see what has been happening with Pokemon and Lorcana doing very well outside of the player community but with the huge collector community (like your Collect A Con, comment). So I get this, I think their hope is that they get stuff in the cases of vendors at card shows, where you know and I know that MTG simply isn't a player in that space.
Ngl Universes beyond is the death knell of creativity in wotc
Curious to see if wotc reprints these cards in the marvel set with different art. Still not a fan of the release method either for this drop
I think they will for sure - these won’t be functionally unique forever but it’s just the release! It should be a bigger deal :-(
They 100% will, this is a collab in a magnitude which WotC probably never had before. There's some serious money to be made in targetting both MtG and Marvel/Comic fans. Considering they now also have control over Commander, I think this will be the most reprint heavy set of staple cards we've ever seen
The best case scenario we see them again in either commander decks or a set like Lord of the rings.
The thing that sets magic apart from other card games is the legacy and the player base that has been around for so long, and it's just confusing why they are trying so hard to appeal to the new player audience. They will never have the new player appeal that pokemon or lorcana or one piece has because those are bringing in players from other areas. I mean, I don't think that magic should disregard new players, but the decisions they've made in the past few years read like, we want to go after new players at all costs because older players will buy whatever we do.
They're starting with a Secret Lair is probably because every mechanically unique Marvel character will be reprinted in a larger tentpole set. They want to pad the bottom line by *taking advantage of FOMO* by folks who think this'll be the only time these cards will show up, and it gives new players a starting point (Secret Lair designed like a quickstart for a Commander-deck-to-be) so it still seems like it could be a good purchase.
The c-suite folks have backgrounds in digital production and distribution, what's one huge thing that plagues video game releases? Timed exclusivity. And that's all this is.
Game stores get nothing out of this so I can see these 'heroes' being very proxy-friendly and proxy-acceptable.
That's what I assumed. They are going to be brought back as Marvel guys in the Marvel sets.
I couldn’t disagree with you more, aside from the fact that this was announced at comicon were all sorts of nerds, not just magic nerds will be, and so everybody knows about it. I think that players who are currently playing should be able to get the first taste of marvel in magic.
Marvel destroys completely mtg flavour...gz wizzs
I don't see it passing LotR for sales just for the fact how much they sold to people who didn't even care just wanted to pull the 1-1 One ring or the serialized sol rings, the chase drove a ton of those sales and dont see marvel surpassing that target. Might give it a good attempt same with if they ever made universe beyond Star wars or a full warhammer 40k set
Personally I hate this UB trash and wish it were only reskins of existing cards but the big question is not is it bringing people in. It is. We all know that. The questions to ask are 1: Are they playing or just buying? 2: If they’re playing, are they staying? And 3: Are there enough new people coming in replacing enough or more of the people who leave?
I love the intro/outro music
Hey brother -am I doing something wrong? The cardboard finance site hasn't updated Sorcery numbers in a couple weeks. I'm very curious to see it's progress!
Thanks!
I don't mind the crossovers, but I wish they had an in universe version for each card. They've done some, but they're putting out so many cards too fast. I'm sure plenty of people would like an in universe version of The One Ring reprinted.
I must confess, salty, and I am usually low sodium. If I have all the other cards in the secret lair except the hero, this feels ridiculous, but I'm going to have to decide now if I want to make a Wolverine deck, now or never?
So suck it wizards, I have comic art cards from the 90s that look cool and I have plenty Wolverines with great art and I already built my deck AND played 3 games so far because our players are always the chillest and smartest cats on the planet they let me run on it and we all HAD FUN SO THERE,
again, most sincerely,
suck it wizards. Put it in a set so I can access one at one point in the future.
I can't wait for a MtG/My Little Pony crossover!...or MtG/Sesame Street! Can't wait to get my hands on a foil mythic rare, of a Legendary Creature like Kermit the Frog!
They already did MLP. Sesame street might swing a little young for them though.
Really!? I meant it as a joke...like, the most outlandish MTG crossover I could think of. Just goes to show how much I know - or even care - about 'modern' Magic...
@@morikanti they're both HASBRO. It's the same reason they did NERF and Transformers as early gimmick cards in the Universes Beyond thing.
Actually I'm pretty sure the MLP cards predate the Walking Dead Secret Lair.
@@MunchKING indeed, MLP is also Hasbro. But, then again, so is Sesame Street, Mr. Potato Head, and Teletubbies (to list but a few). Fingers crossed, but there's a possibility that they can pervert modern MTG even further...
I had no idea that NERF, Transformers and Walking Dead had sneeked in already. Like I said before, I know next to nothing about what happened to MTG post 2003, and I believe it shows. I'll just stick to playing Premodern, a format which includes all the cards I knew and loved, an fixed cardpool, and all the variety I could want from the game.
Anyway. Thank you for filling in some of the many blanks in my serioulsy lacking modern MTG history. Cheers!
@@morikanti I thought Jim Henson's Estate owned Sesame Street, it's Hasbro?
I looked it up. Google and WIkipedia list it as owned by Sesame Workshop.
So Marvel and Magic the Gathering had a choice: affordable tons of collectable cards for new players to MTG orrrrrr LIMITED RARITY BUY NOW BEFORE SCALPERS GET IT ALL AND YOU'LL NEED TO BUY IT ON THE SECONDARY MARKET FOR 1000x markup. Which one would these multibillion dollar companies want to pick? Please the consumers/player base or themselves and MONEY. Yeah they sold out for short term profit over long term loyalty and increased playerbase.
Secret lairs aren't ment for new players. It's not even really ment for every magic player. It's ment for avid fans of MTG and collectors.
WoTC is trying to balance the books
What would be an attractive ip for boomers to get interested in MTG?
When all is said and done, mechanically unique secret lair cardboards won't be a big issue due to alternate art versions but it's poor form and wizards should have learned this by now.
The thing is those commanders are gonna be in the Marvel set.
Agreed Blaze - we always end up seeing these cards get printed in avalible sets, but there’s a window where it just sucks and feels a bit more inaccessible.
Woah, KMart deep throwback.
Us old folks remember….
@@HometownTcg just and fyi that it was released at NYCC this weekend with variant covers for Storm and Wolverine comic books and a sweet Dr. Strange counterspell. Literally one of the most hyped and expensive exclusives of the cons. Easily created millions of impressions from influencers.
Games stores get exclusive dnd book covers.. why not exclusive card drops?
I think I needed one more digression
Oh just you wait…. I’m gonna need a bit more Archery in my life!
Marvel should have been a full set. Secret Lair = poop, not interested
It will be….in 2025
I see a lot of new faces at the card shop, the problem is, they come in, buy a precon, play for a week or two and then they are gone... Magic is now the stomping ground of the transient cardboard player.... MTG is for HOBOs of TCG's
Idk about that I would think they are playing casually maybe just not at the game store - but without that first moment there cannot be a second. While all those players might not stick around, some of them do!