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Talk about M9RR vs S22 (MY general comparison for street use)
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- I've used up a set of "Metzeler's Sportec M9RR" (8000 km front and 7000 km rear), and have now used up a "Bridgestone Battlax S22" front tire (4300 km) and spent over well over 2000 km on a Bridgestone Battlax S22 rear. Here's some of my thoughts on the tires and how they generally compare for street use.
I mixed up the numbers, so i keep mixing up the front and the rear of the M9RR's. The Actual numbers are 800 km on the front, 7000 km on the rear.
All in all, both tires function great for their intended purpose.
The S22: The S22's has a bit more performance fokus then mileage fokus, and fails when it comes to mileage with me only getting 4300 km out of the front tire before hitting the tred depth indicator and the rear looks like it'll never see the 6000 km mark. It gets a win in the "confidence building" category though as it's side walls gives great feedback, warning you when you're close to or at the limits. With a center strip of harder compound on the rear and treds that reaches the center of the rear tire, it looses points for squirrelyness of the line though. And it needs a bit of getting used to if you're new to a squirrely tire entering and exiting corners too. But once you hit that line, it will Not disappoint. Breaking is also great, with solid grip. Although the softer compound can make the ABS question itself if you're to quick from 0-100% breaking, if you apply the breaks correctly it will grip the road incredibly well. Rain or shine it does a good job. Don't go thinking you're on rain tires though. Keep the lean angle sensible, and it will take good care of you. It's a Sport tire, not a race tire so don't expect 65 degrees of lean angle in the dry either. But for legal speeds and a little more on the street, you'll never need more.
The M9RR: The M9RR's are a perfect balance of performance and mileage. I got 8000 km out of the front (could have gotten a bit more if i had the guts) and 7000 km out of the rear. Considering the grip level that is respectable. The highlight of the M9RR though is the consistency of the grip. It doesn't get squirrely of the line, in or out of the corners or during heavy breaking. And that inspires confidence. Maybe a bit too much confidence, as you get no warning before you go beyond the limits of the tire. This is fine if you know where that limit is. But if you're pushing more and more, you might find yourself surprised in a not so good way. For street use this also have the added bonus of being good in all kinds of sensible weather. This tire handels anything but ice and snow. You still need to be aware of your lean angles on wet roads, as this isn't a touring tire or rain tire. But considering it's levels of dry grip it is impressive in wet and cold conditions. It stops fast too. The tire can dig in pretty good and will not be the limiting factor for stopping times. The ABS isn't going to hate this tire, but you need to give the break a gradual squeeze, like with any street tire, or it will glassify and lose traction.
I have used M7RR and S22 on a 2018 Z1000SX.
The former has a fatter feeling, with slightly more compliance and plenty of hard braking grip, but they made steering slower and heavier.
The S22 have much sportier handling. I find them better at entering turns and holding a line through corners. The front S22 does wear more quickly, however. The rear tire wears less quickly.
Yes. I always recommend M7RR for people who wants a cheap sporty tire that can go fast in bad conditions (within reason). M9RR is a bit more "good conditions" focused, but still my favorite sport tire. I now ride a S1000R with Pirelli Diablo Rosso 4 on it. The tires are So fast, but overkill for me. I prefer the M9RR's exactly due to the flatter profile.
I’m running OEM S22’s on my Yamaha MT-09 SP (189kg wet) and I weigh 85kg without gear. Currently at 7100km and getting near the wear pattern, will have to replace the tires at 8000km. Supposedly the OEM tire is 1 compound and softer in the middle, the retail S22 is supposed to get almost double the mileage I was told, since it is a 3 compound tire with a harder center section. Are you sure you were not using OEM grade S22’s? I’m considering the M9rr too, but I live in Trondheim where the weather can be quite cold and lots of rain, so I want a tire that heats up fast and dies well in the rain. It was nice to see your video. I lived in Oslo for 10 years and moved back home right when corona said hello.
Yes, it's real S22's from Bridgestone. But you have to take into consideration that the Z1000SX is 230+ kg, front heavy and i ride pretty hard (no track rides). The wear pattern showed that the center line is fine for probably 7-8K, but the sides were melted away before i reached 3500km.
Great video, mate, lots of info! I was torn between these two tires, you helped me make up my mind. Constructive criticism here: try to either record with more resolution or upload with a better codec, the image (video) quality is really bad.
Thanks. What did you go for? Side note: I ended up riding on the S22 front for 8300 km. The left side of the tire was basically bald long before i switched it out and was dangerously unstable and handled Horribly. It wasn't a good idea to try to stretch the life span to more then 6000km at the very most.
I know my videos aren't as good as they should be. It's Full HD when i upload to UA-cam, but the algorithm or something makes the videos look awful. I need more subscribers to get access to the 1280p and 4K videos. It's been bothering me for years now.
@@bikesonroads you just have to upscale in 1440p to have a better quality and the other codec
@@KnightOFGamer22 I have no idea what a Codec is. But i upload full HD video every time.
S22 front wears out at 7000 kilometer. Problem with sport tyre is they will struggle with fully load 1000sx 2up. It will behave squirmy. Angel gt 2 is made for much heavier touring bikes,still sporty tyre for street. Swap to 55 profile and 1000sx will turn in faster and feel much more agile
I never rode 2up on my bikes. Never had more then 3-4 kg (6-8 lbs) with me. I'm 70kg (155lbs) + gear. Didn't have this problem with the Metzeler M9RR. Only the S22. Same issue came up on my ZX10R. Ether i'm breaking to much/to hard, or the tire isn't designed for a 200kg bike with 80kg of rider on it. In general, the Bridgestone rubber compound seams too soft. Witch is great if that's what the customer wants, and if the rider isn't someone who rides hard. But my experience on multiple bikes, 3 bikes to be exact, is that S22's are never able to get much more then 5000 km at best.
I’m running OEM S22’s on my Yamaha MT-09 SP (189kg wet) and I weigh 85kg without gear. Currently at 7100km and getting near the wear pattern, will have to replace the tires at 8000km. Supposedly the OEM tire is 1 compound and softer in the middle, the retail S22 is supposed to get almost double the mileage I was told, since it is a 3 compound tire with a harder center section. I’m considering the M9rr too.
I’m running OEM S22’s on my Yamaha MT-09 SP (189kg wet) and I weigh 85kg without gear. Currently at 7100km and getting near the wear pattern, will have to replace the tires at 8000km. Supposedly the OEM tire is 1 compound and softer in the middle, the retail S22 is supposed to get almost double the mileage I was told, since it is a 3 compound tire with a harder center section. I’m considering the M9rr too.
I think the rear has 3 compounds, soft, medium and hard. The front only has 2 soft and medium for better grip on straight line breaking. Which fits with you saying the ABS coming in less. Also probably the reason the front wears faster than the rear.
He said it the wrong way around but he corrected that on the captions as he clearly stated
I don't have a Z1000SX, but I do have a R1250RS. Currently, I am running Michelin's Power 5 tyres. Michelin refer to them as their sportiest sport touring tyre. Technically, they are in the same category as the M9RR and S22, i.e., sport/hypersport, but a bit more road focused perhaps.
The comparable tire from Michelin would be the Power RS. I was actually trying to get a hold of those for my first set of tires, but no one sells Michelin for Kawasakis over here. So i went for the Metzeler M9RR. Then The Bridgestone S22. Now, it'll be the Metzeler Roadtec 01 or Pirelli Angel GT2 (If i can get a hold of any them). I was considering the T31 or T32 from Bridgestone, but my experience with the S22's has me leaning toward something that won't kost me 2 front tires per rear tire. The T30 evo's were known for the front wearing down faster then the rear. Not good for me.
@@bikesonroads The Power RS was replaced by the Power GP. In Michelin's words, the Power GP is a 50% Road, 50% Track. The Power RS was 90% Road, 10% Track. The Power 5 is 100% Road, 0% Track. The Power 5 sits between the Road 5 and Power GP in Michelin's range. If you go the Metzler route again, look for the Roadtec 01 SE version; it's more sporty in design compared to the standard 01. Finally, I would say the Road 5 is closer to the standard Roadtec 01, and the sportier Power 5 is closer to the Roadtec 01 SE. Hope you find something you're happy with.
@@LonelyTreeSunset Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that Michelin had replaced the RS. As i can't get them, i haven't looked into the Michelin lineup for well over a year. And we always get yesterdays news today over here. I'd probably go for the Roadtec 01 SE, as i ride pretty "fun", but i doubt they have them in stock anywhere here. Thank you again.
@@bikesonroads No problem, and ride safe! :-) Hope you find the Roadtec 01 SE in stock somewhere, I'm sure you'll enjoy them.
@@bikesonroads The Power RS was discontinued; the comparable tire from Michelin is actually the Power 5 - the Power GP takes a longer time to get up to temperature and is not that great in the wet.
Please try on a Michelin Road 5/Power 5 next
I would Love to try them. But i can't get them from my tire dealer. They only have Bridgestone, Metzeler, Pirelli and Dunlop (Dunlop is 40% more expensive then comparative tires for some reason). I literally can't get a hold of Michelin tires or Continental tires at the moment. If i ever get the chance, i will jump on the chance to try the Road 5's. I've got a few friends who have them on their bikes, and they have no complaints (other then that they spray water more then other tires, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Water evacuation and all that). The only weakness i've heard so far is that they overheat easily on track in and/or in summer. I have no experience with them myself, so i can't say if that's true or not. But it feels like it makes sense, with all the treds and a soft compound, there is a lot of potential for producing heat.
@@bikesonroads Order online for cheaper like the rest of us :)
@@SilkLotus I don't change tires myself. I have neither the time nor space for it. Maybe one day, but not yet😊
If you're not dragging knee hard.... go with the Road series or similar.... going through excess tires for no reason. S22 will get you just up to Advanced pace on track..... with some slippage. Road 6 is out now.... even better. I've seen people easily drag knee on Road 5 as well so more than enough for 95% of riders.
I do scrape knees pretty hard, but i should be fine with a Sport-touring tire. But i love the M9RR's so much, i'm probably going to stick with them. I've Always wanted to try out the Road 5's and i Really want to try the new Road 6's. But i ride a Kawasaki, and Kawasaki dealers only have Metzeler, Pirelli and Bridgestone . I tried to have my tires changed at other shops, but they refused to touch a new Kawasaki. Some kind of brand loyalty BS. I was considering the BT30 evo or the BT31 or BT32. But my experience with Bridgestone is that they wear out too fast. I'm probably going back to the M9RR's for this season.
Hei, I wouldn’t stand for that dealership bullshit. Get some tyre levers and a balancing tool and buy the tyres you want.
@@bikesonroadsroad 5/6 are really great tires wet or dry, good for spirited rides in twisties, even road in winter up in the mountains with snow and sludge on the road no problem it was 28* that day. I have T30 right now with new bike I’m not confident with lean as I can feel slipping, I wanted to try M9RR but I think I’m going back to power 5/6 I had great experience with em I can push to its limits without worry.
@@E88Atz86 I got the Road 6 on my previous bike. Fantastic tires that feels lick you've got suction cups locking your tires to the road. Fantastic tires. 75% of all riders will be faster And safer on Road 6 over sport tires. They work in colder and wetter conditions than any sport tire does. Even compared to my beloved M9RR's. I now ride an S1000R with Diablo Rosso 4's. I've been out for a ride twice this year and they are slipping a lot in the colder times of year, even with only 30% throttle..
@@bikesonroads How long did the road 6 last? I heard sides will wear out first if you do a lot of twist.I do 50 mile commute to work and twisties on the weekend and these t32 ain’t cutting it.Wooden feeling and takes awhile to heat them up.M9rr and road 6 are my next choice
I guess I do it to. I don't think as bad. How many times you going to try to turn that turn signal off. Lol
Yeah, that turn signal "tick" is a bad habit i can't seam to break😅
You who understand, which one better? rosso IV or M9 Rr, for use more on the road rather than on the track. what is diference between then? Thank you!
M9rr better
Sorry for the late reply. Yes, like claragonzalezdiaz1967 said. M9RR are my favorite sport tire for actual use. If you're going to go full throttle to the very limit, the Diablo Rosso IV Corsa would be the best, Diablo Rosso IV would be my second choice. But if you only ride hard AF some times, and regular rides most of the time, with even some rainy day rides. The M9RR's are unbeatable in the sport category imo. Not Once have I gotten an M9RR out of shape. I've scraped pegs in almost freezing temperatures and they never even hinted at breaking traction. I've lost the Rosso IV a handfull of times, but never crashed. So far... Rain or shine. I trust Metzeler M9RR with my life. No other sport tire gets that vote of confidence.
@@claragonzalezdiaz1967 tks, It helped me a lot! stay with God
was your front tire, and rear tire oem spec? Oem tires always wear out faster then there counterpart. Maybe just the front was oe spec so it wore quicker.
Sorry for the late answer. Didn't see the comment until now. No it was store bought. The bike had 15000+ km at the time of filming. I believe my 2018 Kawasaki Z1000SX came with OEM S20's (98% sure) .
Yes. You’re cruising. There is no way I take out more than 3800 km from the 9rr. With a kawa sx
M9RR is single compound. It is a silica tire.
No, M9RR is a dual compound. You can read about it on Metzelers own website: www.metzeler.com/en-ww/catalogue/product/sportec-m9-rr
@@bikesonroads ua-cam.com/video/Em5xmK0CL8w/v-deo.html Got my info from here +3 years old review. Agree the Metzeler site gives a different information. Seems legit information on both. This makes me wonder if the tire has had an upgrade from single compound to dual compound? Good if this is the case. Silica already lifted the bar and if there is further improvement to the wear it can only be good unless this makes the grip bad on high powered bikes or makes the bike unstable. Any thoughts if there has been a change?
@@paulboyce8537 I haven't heard of any updates. I worked at a motorcycle dealer where (amongst other things) i was the tire expert there. For years I talked to the top guys at Metzeler every now and then for orders, updates and new products (until i got long covid and now can barely breath). They never mentioned anything about it, although i never asked specifically. It could very well be that there are different versions for different countries. Maybe they only make the dual compound for northern countries. Hard to say. I'll try to get the info on that from them next time i speak with them. I don't work there anymore (or anywhere) so i don't know when that'll be, but I'll update you on this comment thread.
The best for you???
Yes. M9RR is the best for Me and My usage. Not the best of the two in general.