Nord Lead A1 vs Moog Voyager - a quick Lead Sound comparison
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A quick comparison of a typical lead sound to show how similar the analog Moog Voyager and the virtual analog Nord Lead A1 are sounding. Clavia did a great job and the A1 makes a lot of fun.
- Sounds: two-oscillator sawtooth, low pass filter fully opened
- Effects: pingpong delay and reverb (Moog external, Nord internal FX section)
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Excellent.
It's more the beating of the oscillators and gentle saturation from the moog that I can really hear that aren't that present in the Nord, and I could hear that on phone speakers! Still, an audience won't give a shit I'm sure
Yes, I agree with both of your statements. I sometimes simulate some "analogness" with digital synths by morphing the pitch (a few cents) with velocity. More elegant would be some "vintage" or "slope" function like in the Sequential synths.
Phil, que instrumento é
Still prefer Lead 4 though.
The Nord is maybe 70+% of the way there … but, that extra heft of analog … ❤️
I totally agree. Even if the sound is the "same", there’s is still this special feeling, experience and randomness when turning knobs at a purely analog synth.
wow didn’t see that coming :)
It’s wonderful. But I think that the difference would be more noticeable using the filter and envolvers. I have Moog LP, Bass Station 2, I had Moog Minitaur and Studio Electronics SE-1X. Also I have a Nord Stage 2 and it’s synth engine is nothing compared to the other synthesizers, it’s much more estéril and almost useless .Although I like Nord instruments very much!
There's a difference, but the audience won't ever notice.
Yes, that's surely true!
I can notice it but it is too small, it wouldn’t be that relevant in a mix. I think the Nord is enjoyable. But I also think the Voyager is not an analog synth I personally find the best of Moog. I prefer the old Minimoog.
I heard it too, subtle, but it is there, not good or bad, just different personalities
Use the filter and you will hear
The Moog bites more. You can hear it good. The nord is ok burning my ears to clean and not sharp enough
all this video did was make me mad that I'm poor and can't afford ether of these synths 😒
Hi and thanks for watching! And sorry that the video created negative feelings for you. I spent my childhood in the 1970s as one of 6 children, so you can perhaps imagine that I wasn’t able to "swim in money" either. But I always had the vision of making music and always played instruments at any opportunity there was. And after several weeks of a "hard" holiday job I could afford my first own instrument, of course second hand. Try to see things positive: electronic gear never was cheaper and better available than today. There are many great software synthesizers and tools for computers or smartphones that are available for free! I wish you all the best and also your that dreams will come true. Keep on believing!
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Krass diese Ähnlichkeit im Vergleich obwohl es natürlich nicht ebenbürtig ist.
Bin kurz davor mir als Ergänzung zu meinem Nordstage 2ex den A1 zu schiessen 🙂
Danke für dein Feedback! Ja, natürlich nicht ebenbürtig, vor allem nicht beim Schrauben. Analog bleibt analog. Aber der A1 macht tierisch Spaß. Hatte früher den Lead 2X (Ltd. Ed.) aber mir war er im Sound immer zu harsch und dünn. Wenn man da den 2. Oszi verstimmt hatte, ging ihm völlig die Kraft aus. Das ist bei einem Voyager oder selbst beim kleineren Little Phatty gerade umgedreht. Ich bin froh, dass ich den 2X gegen den A1 "getauscht" habe 😊
Der Voyager-Synthesizer klingt natürlicher: Ich habe den Eindruck, dass er weniger Begleittöne hat als der A1.
Beide Synthesizer sind jedoch sichtlich spektakulär. Großartiger Klang.
Danke für dein Feedback! Die Effekte überdecken hier natürlich viel, aber der Grundsound beider Synths bei gleichen Wellformen ist recht nah. Der Hauptunterschied ist, dass der digitale Nord beim Drehen der Potis und extremen Einstellungen nicht mehr stufenlose Änderungen zeigt (digital eben) und Artefakte hörbar sind. Und der analoge klingt nie identisch, auch bei scheinbar "gleicher" Einstellung. Beide machen viel Spaß und klingen mehr als toll! Danke fürs Anhören!
Great sound. It's exactly what I need. I tried but couldn't get close. Can you share the .nlap file?
Thanks for your kind comment! I sold my A1 a while ago, so I cannot check my backup files. Here is a download link with two of my lead sounds (I think the "Soft Lead AS" could be the right one): we.tl/t-bqJ7GWpK4L
@@Spektralfarben-Music Thanks a lot! This video of yours had a great impact on my purchase of A1. Now I can play the same sound (Classic Lead AS is the right one, I think.) I'll be performing at a big festival this week and will be using the A1 for the first time. For solo sounds, I'll try A1 instead of Korg Prophecy. I hope it doesn't disappoint me.
@@ataakdag9445 This sounds great! Have fun, and good luck with your gig! All Nord Leads (and Stages) sound very analog and are able to produce these old-school Moogish lead sounds (that I love as well). And especially the A1 with its good effects can do these sounds easily.
@@Spektralfarben-Music Thanks Alf! I already own a Nord Stage 2, I hope they will be compatible with the A1 in terms of sound on stage. I used analog devices such as Moog LP, Solina String Ensemble, Korg Micropreset etc. during the album recordings. It is very difficult to take such devices on tour. Connecting extra reverb, delay etc. I feel like the A1 will save me from a lot of trouble. 49 keys and split function. Everything is exactly as I wanted, except for the poor keybed.
Great comparison! I want to bug but maybe a2 will come soon
Thanks! Yes, there are some serious point that many people would want to see in a A2 (display, proper keybed with aftertouch, "real" 2nd oscillator).
I’ve had an A1 now for 5 years and I still lose myself when I play it. It’s very easy to make your own unique sound then with a couple of tweaks you then get something different and more inspiring. I used to love recording songs. Used to do loads. Now since the A1, I make sounds and believe me every sound inspires a new tune. It’s even made me a better playing. I don’t think about it, I just play. Extremely fun. Had workstations my whole life and wanted a synth. Just buy the A1 now. It hasn’t dipped in price the whole 5 years it’s been out. That tells you something. I think nord bring stuff out every 8-10 years so don’t wait. If u get one now and don’t like it in a couple of years you can sell it and hardly loose any money. Can’t go wrong. It won synth of the year 2014. I’ve had so much fun with it and it covers 90s house, 80’s, 70s, new age retro and pretty much anything new and unique that you yourself can create. It can cover trance but I think access virus is the boss of that genre.
Drewbasevic 94 Thanks for your feedback! Yes, the A1 is just like a good friend: always there, always a pleasure to play and always sounding great! I’m so much hoping for a Lead A2 with some serious improvements regarding display and keybed.
@@Spektralfarben-Music All that will probably be included in the Lead 5, though. If Nord intends to keep producing a cheaper VA, it can't let it cannibalise more expensive products.
How the devil Nord modelled something so accurately is amazing. To my ears, those parts were identical. Had you played the Moog, but used the sounds of the A1, nobody would have known. I don't know what it is, but there's something really appealing about the Nord sounds/quality. I guess sometimes, the movement of the sounds is a little harder to model. Sometimes digital synths falter with that aspect. With the Wave 2 released now, could 2021 be time for Nord to replace the A1 - with a new model. From what I read on the internet, Nord fans would upgrade.
W41N Thanks for your comments, very appreciated. You’re right, the sound of the A1 is amazing, although there’s still this "analoge factor" in the Moog, some kind of inaccuracy when turning the knobs, a bit more "life" in the sound. I also had the NL 2X but I didn’t like its sound, a bit too harsh and "digital", and even basic triangle or saw sounds were unexpectedly thin when adding the second oscillator. On the other hand the A1 always sounds great and warm. Yes, next step would be a combination of the NL 4 and A1 with a proper keybed and displays.
@@Spektralfarben-Music Even as a non-player/none synth owner, I've not been blown away with some of their older synths. I watched footage of the 2X, and spookily came to a similar conclusion as you. It just didn't have something in the sound that the A1 does. I think if you hear a synth, especially digital/VA, and it sounds nice over UA-cam with compression, then it'll sound better in the flesh. I'm hoping to buy a couple of synths. It's an itch I'd love to scratch...
@@Spektralfarben-Music Did you ever played a NL 1? They say they sound better than NL2 etc more Raw
Gotu Mayne No, unfortunately I’ve never had the opportunity to play the original Nord Lead (1). I’ve also read that it would sound more "raw" than the successors but I think these are small differences. Of course, the 1 is kind of iconic and therefore something special.
@@Spektralfarben-Music thx ,Indeed too bad would have liked to hear your opinion .
also ich hab extra runtergesrollt, um das Video nicht zu sehen, nur zu hören. Hab fast keinen unterschied erkannt. Hätte eher beim lead a1 auf Moog getippt. (der lead hat für meinen Geschmack eher weniger krispe höhen und klang daher für mich analoger)
Danke für die Rückmeldung! Ja, der Unterschied ist in der Praxis oder in einem Mix vernachlässigbar, auch wenn hier die Effekte viel überdecken. Selbst der Grundsound der Oszillatoren ist extrem nah beieinander. Es ist mehr das Gefühl beim Spielen :)
Hey I read you bought a Nord Stage 3. How do you find the synth section of the Nord Stage 3 compared with the A1?. Are they so different that worth having both?. I ask because I own a Nord Stage 3 and it was curious to me that you owned a A1 as well. Thanks in advance!. :)
Hi and thanks for your comment. Well, the synth sections are quite similar, but there are some significant differences. The A1 does have velocity morph (what is really nice to have) and I also like its mutate and randomize function. Furthermore, the Moog filter sounds buzzier in the A1 compared to the stage 3. And of course, the biggest difference is that the A1 has four independent slots. The A1 allows me to get faster to the sound I want, and all in all it makes more fun to fiddle around with it. On the other hand, I really miss a proper keybed with aftertouch and a proper display - these are the big pros of the Stage 3. When Nord will be offering a Lead 5 or A2, with a decent keybed (5 octaves?) and an OLED display, I would probably exchange my A1.
@@Spektralfarben-Music hi thanks. I see now what the relevant differences are (I would add the sample option for the NS3 as well). With Clavia no matter what product you have, you can always miss something from other of their products so you can always consider getting 2 of them (marketing I guess).
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Danke 😊
i truly could not tell - apart the the final note at the bottom
Have you kept the Nord Lead A1 after all this time? Or have you gotten rid of it? Was the keybed an issue? The A1 can do so many close recreations its insane!
Hi and thanks for your comment! I actually kept the Nord but sold the Moog (OK, I regret now having sold the Moog but I used it very rarely and bought instead a Nord Stage 3). I also thought of selling the Lead A1, but this little synth makes so much fun, always sounds great and is so comfortable to use. The keybed is the poorest of all my keyboards but it’s OK to play with it. I really miss Aftertouch and a proper Display but unless Nord isn’t making a Lead A2 or a Lead 5 (with Aftertouch and OLED display) I will keep the A1.
@@Spektralfarben-Music Thank you for the swift reply! It truly sounds great from everything I heard and can emulate quite a variety of different sounds from classic synths as well. I'm on the fence about purchasing yet, since I'm "hoping" Nord releases a new Lead with updated features. The A1 is just about hitting 9 years.. this is quite a long time without an update from there.. but we can hope!
@@orpheusthedrummer It's difficult to say right now if or when Nord will bring new devices. The global situation is too uncertain (supply of raw materials and parts).
The new prices of the A1 are significantly higher than 2 or 3 years ago, so I would buy only used at the moment (and after all, Clavia builds very robust and high-quality devices).
I think that almost all Nord Lead users would like to have a new Nord Lead that combines all the features of the A1 and the 4, perhaps with a 5-octave keyboard with aftertouch and OLED display (and also with a 3rd oscillator 😅). All the best to you and good luck with any purchase decision!
@@Spektralfarben-Music Thank you! And good advice, I agree with all the chip shortages, who knows how long before things go back to "normal" if ever! Its $2699 over here in Canada. A little too steep for me on a 9 year old synth. I think I'll wait it off and not make any impulse buys! 😄
now I know how you got the name nordlicht
Exactly! 😁 Thanks for watching!
@@Spektralfarben-Music it's been a while. how's life treating you alf?
@@FormsInSpace You're right, time goes by... Well, we're quite fine despite the whole virus thing. I reduced my musical activities due to my new job but that's also OK. I enjoy messing around with my various musical toys 😉
The Moog has a keeps a harder edge which could mean for these patches that edge would multiply the difference in a mix.
although that 'edge' that I perceived could be a matter of parameters rather than limitation
klasse !...allerdings muß man sagen, dass der moog voyager ein absolutes pfund ist. den vergleich leibhaftig im raum zu hören, ist schon etwas anderes. ich hatte mal das vergnügen....live....den vergleich voyager xl und nordlead 4 zu hören (erleben). der moog hat den nord GEFRESSEN.
gktde9874 Vielen Dank! Das stimmt was du sagst, und hier im Vergleich machen die Effekte viel aus, um beide "richtig groß" klingen zu lassen. Trotzdem muss ich dem A1 bestätigen, dass sogar die nackten Oszillatoren verdammt satt und recht nah am Moog klingen. Was fehlt, ist die "Zufälligkeit" des Analogen und natürlich der 3. Oszillator 😄. Ich werde noch ein Video machen mit den Basissounds ohne jeden Effekt.
the Voyager sounds much better ! No doubt about it :)
They sound almost the same to be honest. In a mix you would have no idea which is which
Much ? Okay !
I have both and they are both amazing. The Nord is way more versatile however. WAY more versatile.
4yrs later, how do you view the difference in sound of this patch? Was analog fever and modular madness worth it? 😛
A1 kicks Moog tail. And at a quarter of the price 👌