My man, you spend a entire minute explaining how things are complicated, and it's not as simple as ideology etc, then begin your counter-narrative with "does it all trace back to bigotry? Well, yeah." I'll preface this by saying I'm all for progressive movies (like don't look up) and conservative movies, diversity in films and so have you. Unless race is an integral part of a character backstory (like Storm in X-men, or Rand al'Thor in Wheel of time), I really don't mind, most stories - especially good ones, tend to be universal. The point the 'anti-woke' people make (and I can understand the frustration that "woke" is a very amorphous term used by people as a pejorative often rather than a real critique, and that it's certainly a stand-in for any real critical thinking often); is that progressive politics are often made manifest in modern projects, and that this obsession is often (though not always) detrimental to the projects in question (if the projects weren't explicitly set up to be progressive films in the first place, something like brokeback mountain for example). A point: women are on average (and this becomes more extreme at physical peaks), 50% weaker in upper body, and 33% weaker in lower body strength than male counterparts. They are also on average four to six inches shorter, and ten or more kilos lighter. That's not a value statement, it's a statistical statement. So, a progressive talking point since the 1960s (see firestone), is that difference between men and women is mostly socially constructed, and biology has no real bearing on "maleness" and "femaleness," and this is made manifest in female action heroes that eviscerate male counterparts with domineering physicality. Can women beat men in a straight-up physical fight? Yes, I'm a martial artist, it is possible. Is it likely? No, that's just biological reality - especially if there's no effort on the part of the film to cast a physically imposing woman into the role. Does that mean women can't be action heroes? No, see Sarah Connor in Terminator 2, and the believable way her fights with larger men are handled. That was a very long winded explanation (so hopefully you wouldn't misunderstand my point), of a single nexus point of a 'progressive' agenda, being incorporated into a neutral film genre (action/adventure), to a detrimental effect (reduction in believability, the setting of impossible/incomprehensible standards for female viewers etc). This is the kind of thing that will be called wokeness, as a kind of catch-all term. Keep. in mind, many of the people you call bigoted, would likely criticise in the same vein the ultra-conservative films of the 90s, that did the same thing in reverse - refusing to show aspects of character or reality in favour of high-sensibility censorship, with bloodless, nuanceless, squeaky-clean films. Movies with a stated agenda and coherent plan for implementation is one thing. Movies that sell on neutral ground (a superhero film should be ubiquitous in theory, for both conservative and progressive leaning individuals, both right and left wing individuals e.g.,), shouldn't betray that neutrality either way, by including a lazy, unrelated political/ideological bent. A white character in a team bowing out with grace, and allowing a black character to step up (exchange any identity there really), is a good thing, and perhaps a good opportunity. A consistent theme of it only going one way however, especially when historical and period pieces are involved, feels more akin to a value statement. A fantastic example of this is falcon and the winter soldier: Race was never a factor in earlier marvel movies, the subject matter was more universal and human. Iron patriot, Colonel Rhodes, was the face of the patriotic American military and the right hand man of the POTUS, in the universes' 2013 continuity. Clearly, the institutions of power in this world don't feel that Rhodes' skin colour excluded him from embodying American values and identity to the world (which is actually a lovely aspiration for escapist fantasy like superheroes, aspirational genres like classic sci fi also, often do better to portray humanity as able to overcome these real, gritty flaws.) All this fairly uncontroversial and uncommented worldbuilding, is exploded in the FATWS show, where there is a clear and stated conflict with Sam's race, and the position of Captain - even though the role is arguably far less connected to the annals of American power and hierarchy than the Iron patriot. To bring this aspect in was a clear attempt to parallel a certain perception of the real world, into this fictional universe where America and race have been shown to be devoid of this conflict (it also kind of falls flat in real life as well, considering Obama's 2008 election as a unifying people's candidate.) TL;DR: you fall into the exact same trap as the excesses of what you criticise: you fail to see nuance, or allow for a reasoned difference in opinion, and immediately opt for "bigot," the exact same way someone who doesn't like diversity in Arcane for no other reason than it's own sake, might cry "woke." Don't become what you set out to destroy man, consider that the majority of thoughts, ideas and patterns of thought are more complex than pejoratives or neat little boxes.
This is an intelligently written comment. I have a couple points of contention; namely that we shouldn't expect total adherence to sex-related statistics in inherently unrealistic pieces of entertainment (in most action scenes, there are a ton of things you could nitpick before bringing gender or even physical size into the picture), and that someone who's respected by many can still experience racist opposition. Though I'm not too interested in diving deep into those right now. I agree that these topics are nuanced and a work with serious political ambitions should try to get into the weeds and talk about the problems with existing movements that broadly support its cause. But so much anti-woke content targets works that *aren't* seriously political and does so with an extreme *lack* of nuance. And my comment about everything tracing back to bigotry was flippant, but I do think if prejudice didn't exist, channels like RK Outpost and Geeks + Gamers wouldn't be viable. Like I said, I don't think most people who watch those channels unequivocally hate women/minorities. A lot of that prejudice is unconscious bias that can be momentarily overcome but is hard to fully shed, and might exist in everyone (in one direction or another). The modern left can get puritanical in classifying everyone as either a victim or an oppressor with no in between, which can come across as really hostile to some people who might otherwise join our side. In my mind, the primary solution to that is to focus one's opposition not toward people, but toward ideas.
@@kasplachproductions6198 I disagree. These people know it's it's more profitable to hate than it is to have nuance or even facts and their bigotry is just a part of their personalities. And the amount of morons that follow them who haven't even seen any of these movies, enjoy and love that these phony "critics" are saying it out loud. All of them are weak cowards who couldn't debate their ways out of wet paper bags when it comes down to it. Those who don't do it for the money are just thick in the head LOL.
@@kasplachproductions6198 Cheers for the great reply man, I was probably a bit too uncharitable to you in my initial post. Certainly agree that "woke" doesn't often have much intelligent usage as a critique, and is definitely overused for baits and clicks nowadays. Maybe we'd disagree on a few of the nuances when it comes to what constitutes political correctness and/or illogical progressive tropes/stances in modern entertainment, but I think we can definitely agree that excesses on both sides aren't a good thing, and we both love good, well-made media. Good luck with your content man, hope you're able to continue successfully providing a counterpoint view, and have good debates.
0:50 I mean you literally have examples like Rings of Power, The Last Jedi and Wheel of Time as examples of why a political message over telling a story is lowering the quality of the medium. They can't do their own thing so they must jump onto something popular to spread their message. Ofc we nerds and geeks are going to hate that. being exploited like that-_-
The Last Jedi doesn't have a political message in it outside of the “both sides buy weapons from these bad people” speech Benecio gives. What makes people angry at that movie was that Rey was kind of a Mary Sue and they killed Luke off in a lame way, leaving no chance in hell for The Resistance to rally. It's a bad movie, but morons have convinced you it's a “political message”. It's not. A lot of this nonsense with “wokeness” started when bad movies with bad writers write bad characters. The sad thing is that there are a lot of angry young men who can't get laid out there turning it into A Message.
@@AuspexAO It had a rather clear message of Male main characters being ridiculed while reprimanded by others. * Luke is a failure, tried to kill his nephew, bitter and dies after using the force one. * Finn is made into joke instead of being the fish out of water character from ep7. He was even denied a heroic sacrifice. * Poe is yelled on for the entire move and kept in the dark so he could fail even more * And even though Carrie Fisher passed on they had to force her to be in the movie, even though they had a perfect moment to conclude her character. It derailed the entire movie. * Holdo's "win" was breaking the lore so badly that they had to add a statement in the final movie to try and explain how it was even possible. * The casino planet was just pointless filler and the least of the movies problems.
@@AlexanderForsman The "message" (I'm already getting sick of that meme) is not what you think. It's ok, because the movie is not really that well-written, but the things you're seeing in the movie are ridiculous at BEST. The theme of the movie is failure. Yoda delivers the theme while he's being all jolly for some reason and blowing up the Jedi tree. There is another underlying and much, much worse theme of discarding the old traditions and creating a new path. It's that theme that everyone kind of thought was going to end up saving The Last Jedi. Luke failed at bringing back the crusty old Jedi, so he was going to make something better. Snoke failed to create a new Sith Empire, so Kylo and Rey were going to make a crazy new power in the galaxy that would have been the badass evil power in the third movie. Holdo and the Resistance leadership failed, so Poe, Finn, and whoever else was down to join them would create something that got away from the strict military doctrine of the Old Rebellion (now the Remnants of the New Republic Navy). Did any of that happen? No. The movie instead decided to hint at new beginnings and "subvert our expectations" over and over until the very simple Kylo vs. Luke encounter happened that was super obvious. It doesn't even matter that Luke was a hologram or not, he was defeated delaying Kylo. For like...a day or two? There are no successful female characters in the entire movie: Rose is infamously bad at everything to the point where she's basically a meme, her sister died pointlessly, Holdo died (sure she took out a ship, but she used the Resistances last warship to do it). Leia was unable to do anything the whole movie. Rey had to run from Kylo. Everyone fails in The Last Jedi. It's a movie obsessed with failing, but not with learning from failure nor about building something that isn't the same old lame institutions. I hope I could help you understand one of the worst Star Wars stories ever told and maybe help you put aside some of the faschy nonsense you may have heard The Mauler or some other thug say. Those people are mostly really hateful and terrible people. It's better to understand that they're not good critics, they're good propagandists.
@@AuspexAOit's not ridiculous. He is correct in regards to Tom's message regarding identity politics. We literally have documents outlining Disney's policies regarding this stuff and TLJ was very obvious about it too. It also followed a pattern with other Lucasfilm projects since then. Kathleen Kennedy pre Disney purchase is on film talking about wanting more female representation too.
What this video misses is that the studios spend lots of time and money to boast about the diversity and message as a point of quality. And they attack fans as bigoted for not liking bad product. Studios don’t do either when Expendables 4 bombs. And the video itself is doing the motte-and-bailey fallacy. It just asserts its own, more moderate definition of the message.
I won't argue that a lot of these movies are bad. I didn't like the new Little Mermaid, which seemed like just a movie we had already seen done better. Do you have any actual examples of corporations saying this, though or just actors getting harassed & their coworkers getting mad about them getting harassed & some chud trying to claim that Disney said anyone who doesn't like their movie/show is racist when no one actually said that?
@@AceOfSevensThere are three big examples I can think of. First is Ghostbusters 2016, which started this whole disastrous trend. The others are She-Hulk, and Velma, which were written to mock the audience.
@@Kaisona2017 do you have examples of the production companies actually saying anyone who doesn't like it is racist or just the names of shows & movies?
@@Kaisona2017 Ghostbusters 2016 was just a genuinely bad movie. I can't speak to Velma because I haven't even bothered watching it. She-Hulk however ... if you felt mocked, perhaps you're part of the problem. I found its commentary hilarious actually.
@@lichbane01 She-Hulk is possibly the most insecure show ever with how it wants to represent it's detractors. It treated both beloved characters Hulk and Dare Devil like trash, and I don't know how you can call it hilarious when it's some of the most cringe work ever.
I'm honestly amazed you classify Shadiversity as "anti-woke". The man just wants classic media properties treated with respect instead of used as vehicles for messaging by people who care more about their message than about the settings they use.
@@struggler7164He didn't call the final product woke. He said he was aware of the fact the American movie studio was trying to include a lot of details that Nintendo had to cut out. He like many of us was speculating what those "California additions" may have been. Blame the left for trying to alter a MARIO movie to push their politics until the Japanese stepped in.
@@themeangene He kept calling Princess Peach a girlboss, despite the fact that her taking action and being independent is accurate to the games. And the guy is very VERY stupid to even ask the question why is she wearing pants in combat, let alone a racing suit that functions as a suit for battle. Oh, and "blaming the left for trying to alter the Mario Movie before the Japanese stepped in". Dude, the people still called the movie woke even after the Japanese stepped in and the movie was already out with success financially and mostly critically. This comment of yours reeks and shows your bias, it's embarrassing. I'll give Shad this though, at least he still had the heart to let his daughter watch the movie, even if he didn't like it. Poor girl will probably leave him when she's grown up.
Because the only people who don't see woke (funny it's in quotes. Just 4 years ago they were so proud of the term, just like 10 years ago they were proud of social justice.) And it's influence in modern media, are those who are willfully ignorant. Either due to moral cowardice and not wanting to choose a side. Or due to supporting the agenda it proposes.
If you actually watch the Drinker, he gives a fair shake to things that have supposedly woke messaging like that video of the new star wars director who's an activist documentary maker. But overall, most people don't mind seeing diversity or different cultures. What people don't like is seeing their favorite legacy characters brought low in favor of a new character that checks a lot of boxes and shames the others for not doing as much as they can. Or seeing established worlds have their history and culture get replaced because the 'storytellers' want to use said 'story' to harp about their political views. Or elevating certain characters merely because of said diversity. And most of all, people are tired of getting called racist and sexist because they didn't think these movies with terrible stories, characters and themes were any good. Granted, guys like Yellow Flash tend to get carried away. But guys like Drinker and Nerdrotic are usually willing to give things a chance.
DOES he give them a fair shake though? It seems like in most cases when a movie stars a woman or POC he's already made up his mind before a single trailer has even come out, not to mention his media literacy is shockingly bad. He misses basic plot points explained in the movie and also misunderstands the subtext in most movies/shows he "reviews."
You bring it up in this video it is funny how engrossed in behind the scenes stuff and articles about stuff back in my day we just watched trailers and that’s it but now everyone on UA-cam is a journalist
0:55 The correlation is that recruiting writers/talent based on diversity limits the amount of hyper-talented people you can get on a project because more talented people will inevitably be cut in favor of less talented ones that help you meet all your DEI quotas.
Diversity doesn't exclude anyone, that's the point of diversity. Also, I like how you're implying that companies just hire any black dude on the street to make themselves look diverse when they just go through people who PITCH THEMSELVES to the companies via portfolios.
@@Onemanshowoff where do I imply that? What I'm pointing out really isn't disputable. It's basic math. If you have ten job openings and ten S tier candidates apply who are of one demographic, but you're only allowed to hire five from that particular demographic, you can't get all ten and will have to draw your remaining employees from a potentially lower tier. There might be also be S tier employees within the other demographics, but there might not be. The point is, the reverse can never be true. It can never improve your likelihood of having a full roster of S-tier employees if you limit yourself by hiring based on race.
@@bryanvanduck You're implying a worst case scenario for just hiring more groups of people. Yes, I agree, companies shouldn't hire people who are not qualified for their jobs, but when has that ever happened though? No really, I wanna see a case where Disney just hired a black dude off the street instead of an artist who had a portfolio ready for review.
@@Onemanshowoff again, I never implied that this is how they do this, but if you would like an actual example, Alaqua Cox, the actress who plays Marvel's Echo, was hired with zero acting experience and not even any real ambition of becoming an actress. She was an Amazon worker who applied basically just because she checked all the boxes and got the part.
@@bryanvanduck I have no state in Hawkeye, so I'm not going to say a word about that, it's all matter if she did good or not and I can't say for certain because I have never seen Hawkeye. I will say this though, maybe this first role is a gateway for her to take acting more seriously as a profession? Also, I will say that I don't agree when you say that diversity hire automatically means they will grab ANYONE who checks boxes regardless of background. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but to assume that is the default cause of diversity hire is foolish to me. When I said you're implying the worst case scenario, this is what I mean.
You clearly miss the point of message anti-woke youtubers spread. If you will watch some of their videos, you will saw that they like many characters that are women, or minorities, or LGB - but only if they are well written. From new things for example is here Arcane, where main character is women and lesbian. But it is great character. Therefore saying that "anti-wokers" are against minorities, women and LGB is nonsense. You are right that they know their audience. some of them make vidoes daily and often make something from nothing, because they want to feed their viewers with content. But it doesn´t mean that they are right. You can take Arcane, or Atomic blond from newer things, or many female characters from older movies - and they are great and strong and have depth. In many modern movies they are invincible and all around them are stupid so they can look great. Many anti-wokers compare animated and live action Mulan. I love animated version so there is no secret anti-woke agenda, or click bait, or any other nonsense when people criticize that live action Mulan is woke garbage - because it is. Animated shown tenacity, resolution, endurance and wit to outcome all obstacles. Live action Mulan is perfect as she is, because she is woman - that is The Message. Look at Rings of Power, in many promo interviews they talk mainly about first black elf, or first female dwarf - like it is somehow important. It is not. Normal people - not racists like those who can´t identify themselves with white characters and need they own representation - don´t care about who create movies, if there is female director and screenwriters, or how many minorities are on screen. They care about good movie, to have fun and good time when they watch it. And race or gender swap is bad - like Henry Cavil said, it is passion, not toxicity. Fans love their characters - "their" as characters they know from books, comics, or games. Often they are mad if character have just different hairstyle, or something really minor. So you think it is racism, or homophobia, or sexism if they are mad when those characters have changed sex, sexual orientation, or race? No, it is not. And there is no reason to change them - only reason is some stupid agenda - yes, that word. Why? Because there is no reason for it. You talk about movie literacy. What about literacy of original sources? Marvel comics have lots of black and LGB superheroes so why change white or hetero to something else? They have lots of popular female characters, so why make male characters like Wolverine, to female? It is laziness to promote those characters, when they can make easy swap with already popular characters. Even people who don´t like comics movies know who is Wolverine. Why make changes in Witcher for example? Books were popular, video games were popular - who do they think will watch the TV show? Activists or people who like books and games? Of course the latter and that is why they left the show, because of the changes - if people want in movie what they know and love, they don´t want changes. No one ever give any explanation why to make those changes. Except for racist who can identify only with people that look and act like them, or explain it “because it is year XY”. But any adaptation is made in first place because of popularity. If comics, book, animated movie, or video game is popular, then you made movie or TV show for people who like it. Not for people who don´t like it, because they aren´t represented there. It can be changed through dialogue - you are right with this. But there is no dialogue with woke activists. They label anyone who disagrees with them as racist, or homophobe. Female version of Ghost Busters didn´t flop because there were female, but because it wasn´t funny. Main priority in many movies is just show that they promote popular progressive tendencies and don´t care about story, character development, or even internal logic of their movie worlds. They have double standards but never acknowledge them. Dialogue is basic what bring our culture forward. Philosophers have long and tiresome debates about anything and win with arguments. But when one side say “I don´t care about your arguments, because you are racists” then there is no dialogue.
It's already stated the issue lies on double-standard in handling both case of bad product brought with bad faith and incompetency, supposedly bad "woke" movie or story often get backlash way out of proportion normally given to those typical bad media casted in default, from setting to characters that cater to white men's worldview with constant male gaze. Example with Transformer that was just so brain-dead in mind, nothing more than hero fantasy, and filled too many seeping ads, also sexualized male gaze very often being used, and yet people won't feel bad about such shallow commercialized media (like seriously, it has weaker lore showcasing and storytelling than the old cartoon version).
@@williemherbert1456 I agree, Transformers are totally shallow, stories are mess with lots of holes, only thing that gain audience are special effects. But it doesn´t change anything from what I wrote. Nonwoke movies are also bad, nobody ever denies that. Movies like transformers aren´t hurt because of some woke agenda, but only because of incompetent creators. And "male gaze" is myth. If we want to be correct, it is also "lesbian gaze" and I don´t think that DEI people would take that away from them, but they clearly don´t think about them. And movies were always about pretty people. It is natural that we want to see pretty people, even if it is unnatural, if there are 20 characters and all are pretty. Take for example those transformers. Yes, Megan Fox is beautiful and people like to look at her. But that is all. She is bad actress and everybody sees it. After few blockbusters she now play in B and C movies. And we can still stay with transformers. And even women like to watch strong and good looking men and also beautiful women. In games they also play with beautiful female characters. Women like to look good. They fight for their right to look good and wear short and later double swimsuits and prudent men arrests them for this. And wome and men aren´t monoliths. Some women like to look sexy, some feel more confortable in more modest outfit, some men prefer mucho sports, some men like musicals. So it make no sense to put all biliions of men in one category of "male gaze oppresors" and billions of women in one category of "male gaze victims".
"The Message" is not simply about a media saying "women and minorities good, fuck fascism", but the the destructive approach of creators when putting into a movie. "The Message" is when a celebrated work or part of culture is cynically torn down for the purpose of progressive political activism. Its when a female-lead movie has all its male characters as villains or emasculated yes-men. Its when a sequel replaces its main character with a diverse replacement whose better at everything and devalues the old main character's achievements and places them in a subservient/humiliating role. Its when lazy writers tote the diversity of their work and how they are fixing the errors of the past are the key measure that gives their story value and to deflect criticism from those pointing out its flaws.
The problem with this grand labeling is that you're cutting waaaay too wide a swath. You're Polish, right? Well everyone knows that Geralt's role being diminished in The Witcher sucked and it seems like some of the writers had beef with Cavill. That absolutely seemed like a huge problem. The problem is, even before this was a thing, the anti-woke people were calling the gorgeous actress cast as Yennifer ugly and complaining about black people being cast in certain roles. I refuse to lump sexism and racism in with actual issues on a writing team. I know it's easy when it's all “The Message”, but Cavill loved working with the actress that played Yen, and I thought she did great. It's why these fascist leaning guys can't be trusted. They grab a few threads that are true and then tie them to “we've just got to stop casting so many blacks!”
I cut a wide swath for the sake of explaining the core sentiment of the phrase, about how "The Message" is meant to encompass the trends and attitudes of the entitled champagne socialist activism and hollow virtue signalling that is endemic in hollywood currently. I'm not going to defend when these frustrations are used to fuel racist and sexist harassment, and besides Drinker I find a lot of the rest of anti-woke media critique youtube to be lazy and fear mongering and don't give them my attention. I wouldn't call any of the ones I am familiar with fascists though because I'm not a mind reader who interprets every opposing opinion in bad faith and thinks anyone right from me is a cryptofascist in disguise. Since you want to talk about Witcher in specific, let's talk about "The Message" in that show. Yes hate mobbing the casting was racist and I'm against harassing actors/actresses just because you dislike what they were cast for, but at the same time it was a reaction to opossing cases such as when journalists and progressives ragged on Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a game set in rural medieval Bohemia (in the middle of central europe), for not being ethnically diverse. And beyond those initial pre-released months no one to be taken seriously criticized the casting because they played the roles well and were true to the characters. Overall the first season was well received as a flawed but well meaning adaptation of the beginning of the story. Had the writers continued on that course people wouldn't complain about the show being woke to any significant degree. But what happened starting with season 2? The writers decided that they can do better, that they have to "improve" the story. So they sideline Geralt and change the story from what the fans of the books and games wanted to see. They were so adamant in this course, and so hostile to criticism that they alienated Cavill because he valued the original work and fought to try to see it faithfully adapted. And when he left they tried to smear him as if he was some gamer-bro, sexual harassing chud the same way any critic is nowadays. And this is the pattern of so many of the medias that come under the anti-woke ire. They take a beloved story and decide that they can do better then what the people that want the media, the people ostensibly paying for it, expect because it is their duty to co-opt the story to push their sociopolitical agenda. Because the Message is "what (y)our culture valued is wrong and contemptible, it can only be good if it is torn down and changed to match our political values, and if you don't praise us then you're a neo-nazi who should be banished to the fringes of society"
@@PolishNomad95 You lost me at "champaign socialists". More lame excuses for fascist propaganda from these wanker UA-camrs who like to have an income based on hate. You can shove it too.
I think that the video made it abundantly clear that "The Message" is vague enough to mean whatever the specific audience member wants it to mean. You just happen to have attributed your definition to it .... and that may be completely different from someone else's definition.
Yeah, I used to watch Nerdrotic, too. But now I just hate him. Because all he does is just spread negativity and hate. He always does it in this silly, mocking voice without EVER contributing anything positive. He's just complaining about everything without ever suggesting some improvements. And it totally shows, if you look into their comment sections. Try disagreeing with basically anything there! And good luck trying to save your head. 😅🤭
Critikal Drinker was about to go down the same path, but seems to have more brain cells left, ironically. 😅 He got more popular, because he actually does propose some suggestions and he's not BLINDLY hating, he actually brings good arguments most of the time and also isn't afraid to be wrong sometimes. He can change his mind and openly admit it whilst most of those other haters can't. Their ego is too big...
Critical and Nerdrrotiv have several films and media with females and minorities that they praise yet you don't cite a single example of them hating on someone because of their skin colour or gender. It's quite disgusting that you imply some hidden bigotry when everything is backed with an arguments and all the channels you name are pro gay and women's rights
Critical Drinker literally claimed that Across the Spiderverse hates white men because Peter was goofy, and Nerdrotic daily refuses to acknowledge Miles as Spiderman.
I literally had to remove nerdrotic from my UA-cam feed because even his video titles were misogynist, lol. I've watched Drinker. He's not The Quartering or some alllllthe way Right guy, but he's rapidly getting there. I don't think they guy is secretly rocking a Nazi flag yet, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I know the Drinker does like some diverse media and he's not as bad as some of these guys. He even makes a decent point here and there. But he'll still go out of his way to constantly crap on progressive politics, often in incredibly vague terms that can at least be easily interpreted as "diversity = bad".
Dear Kapslash, I rarely comment on any social media, but it seems like your heart is in the right place. So here we are… I’m afraid you have participated in the same mischaracterization of the “anti-woke” crowd for which you are accusing them. You say they’re using logical fallacies and cognitive biases while avoiding open dialogue and critical thinking. Have you talked to any of these content creators? Do you know their basis for argument? Critical Drinker is a published novelist, Chris Gore was an indie filmmaker, and Nerdrotic was a San Francisco comic shop owner. For these three, at least, media illiteracy may be an unfair critique. So for the sake of tactical empathy, consider an alternative hypothesis… “Wokeness” is not bad because it’s diverse, it’s bad because it represents diversity being shoehorned into a story regardless of whether or not it enhances that story. The “message” of female/minority empowerment is not itself bad, but in recent years has been poorly executed. When characters talk to the audience instead of to each other, it feels less like metaphor and more like lecture. When writing is too on-the-nose, it feels less like theme and more like propaganda. When stories have become predictable based on the casting rather than the plot, characters or setting, then we’ve left the realm of theme and metaphor and now we’re just hurling insults at people we find distasteful. Perhaps, then this is not a bigotry problem, but a marketing problem. Movies that are not diverse are still getting the negative backlash, but the diverse films are getting it worse because of an audience mismatch. There is a smaller audience interested in diversity as a theme than Hollywood seems to register. Most of the media receiving complaints are from nerd culture (ie. superheroes and scifi) and dude culture (ie. cars, guns and scantily clad women), which has a majority male audience. To do some monkey math… 60-70% of the US population is white and half of those are males. Which means the 30-35% of the available market interested in nerd and/or dude media represents about the same number of people as the remainder of the non-white US population. So, if a studio makes a film that depicts its heroes as predominantly female and/or minorities and then sidelines its white male characters, treating them as buffoons, simps, creeps or villains, then regardless of the quality of the film, that studio has - whatever their intentionality - insulted their core audience. Disney, for example, is a princess brand made for females under 25. When they purchased Star Wars and Marvel, they attempted to convert those properties into princess brands as well (eg. Rey and the Avengers replacements). Unfortunately, the majority of the brand equity from those two studios was from males over 25. Even if they gained 20% of the -25F market, they lost 80% of the +25M market. And as a result their stock prices have dropped from $160 at the beginning of 2022 to $90 at the end of 2023. Perhaps then, the backlash isn’t from media illiterate, right wing, hate-mongers, but from people who went out to see some of their favorite IP and got painted as straw men only to get their noses rubbed in ad hominem. Granted there are neophytes who are easily swayed by inflammatory headlines, this group is likely not statistically significant enough to tank the Hollywood machine. Bad product-market fit on the other hand... To quote Zemo from Civil War, “an empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead... forever.”
I’m generally pretty busy person when I heard “the many saints of Newark has nothing to do with sopranos and is woke propaganda about the Newark race riots” I didn’t challenge it but this weekend I did watch it and the riots are maybe 10-15 minutes of the movie and does have a reason to be in there.
"You only hear about pandering when it's in works for women and minorities" Yes, its taking established brands and changing them to be something that they're not. Star Wars was a boy brand with plenty of girls as fans. Disney decided that Star Wars should be for everyone, even when it already was, and proceeded to make it for no one because of agenda. It really is that easy. The piece of art for everyone is far less interesting than the art for "this audience". The horror genre knows this and can still make art for the fans, no matter the demographic of the fans.
Nah, Kotor 2 was a very female-centric piece of Star Wars media. It's also the best written thing since Empire. The idea of writing something to boys or girls (lol, I feeling like a kid even saying things like “boys toy!”) is incredibly stupid. Write good fiction and everyone will like it. Dummies like your boys club, and grown ups like me and my friends (some of which have c$&*s! Ohhh, close the clubhouse doors, ha ha ha ha)
They complain that Star Wars became political when it always has been. It even has wars in its name and george Lucas said it’s an allegory for the Vietnam war. It has an anti-totalitarian message. That’s what I like about sw. I could relate to that because im Filipino and we fought back against the Spanish.
Star Wars isn't just a boy brand, it's literally neutral pacifist brand that discourage constant upbringing of Industrial-Military Complex of USA seeing into norms for US public that had grown tired from American's imperialism and exceptionalism, thus could be lumped as part of progressivist political byproduct.
You’re missing the point: their concern is about quality wokeness takes out from entertainment, not wokeness in itself (which is stupid as fuck by the way).
There have always been bad to mid movies that were just corporate product. There have probably been more of them than big budget good movies in fact. What's absurd is acting like this is somehow wokeness's doing. That Little Mermaid remake's problem was that it had no real ambition except to get another bite at the pie. The Marvels's problem was that they shot it with half a script & tried to to fix it in post. Wish's problem was suits sucked all the interesting ideas out in order to hit a bunch of things they thought were marketable. More white actors wouldn't have improved any of them.
@@josciety5579 Most of the "haters" define a thing as woke when pushing the far left agenda is more important than the story that is being told. This frequently comes about as a new character introduced that checks lots of diversity boxes and is better than established characters and/or established characters getting torn down and mocked, usually behind the scenes, but sometimes it's Harrison Ford being yet again a bad and disillusioned dad that failed his family and hates himself.
@@dyskordian “Far Left agenda being there's someone with a vagina on my screen. I'm about to reee so hard right now!” Lol. Far left politics is about laborers taking control of government, it has nothing to do with diversity. The people you watch are dumb, don't parrot them or people will think you are too.
@@AceOfSevens they hire people based on gender, sex, color instead of ability. At the same time talented and experienced people who are not bending the knee are put out of the door. This is what's happening right now in Hollywood. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
glad the comments are tearing this trash propaganda apart. Guy should be ashamed of himself, but this cringe is the only way he could think of to get clout and views from the breadtube clique and grow his channel.
For those is no Media Literacy complaining about "the message", a story's theme is: "The message the author is trying to convey tot their audience." Every great story has a theme and Critical Dullard should have learned about story themes back in middle school lit class.
It comes from Don't Be a Menace to South-Central While Drinking Your Juice In the Hood. It's a completely stupid and irreverent black stereotype escapist comedy, but in two or three little scenes our protagonist relays a very important and real message, but it's out of place in the film. It ruins the flow and immersion. To highlight that the mailman steps into frame and says "Message!" It's used by the people being talked about in this video to refer to intersectionality as activism in entertainment. Feminism isn't 'the message'. Feminism is righteous and if you disagree you are evil, is 'the message'. Captain Jack in Dr Who being pan-sexual wasn't 'the message' because neither the show nor people behind the scenes told us to respect Jack because he's pan-sexual. New Rose in Dr Who being non-binary is 'the message', as behind the scenes we're told we need to respect non-binary inclusion and the writing in the show tells us Rose must be respected because they are non-binary.
Okay I'm 3 and 1/2 minutes into your video and I want to know why you hate the original Battlestar Galactica compared to the new one when the new one is anti-woke
Are you going to address how Movie studios need to maintain high ESG scores to get the loans they need to keep the lights on? And to get a high ESG score typically means you typically have to hire a quota of poc/female/lgbtq people as employees? How about how BlackRock, one of the most powerful financial organisations in the world, is specifically pushing this, with one of their head honchos on camera admitting as much? Coincidentally, BlackRock are major shareholders at Disney btw. How about how Disney employees have recently come forward anonymously to discuss how there is 100% a woke agenda within Disney that is explicitly anti-male and anti-white, with the mantra being 'male and pale is stale'? Vould it be that 'the message' is not only a very real thing but also, *gasp*, unironically a morally BAD thing that is creatively destructive?
Uhm Superman 4 is universally panned for being terrible and preachy. You gave an example of a movie that proves the anti SJW talking points lol. Now imagine a media landscape where 80% of entertainment is Superman 4. That's why consumers are revolting against the woke left right now
Bad shows from the 80s-00s weren't trying to convince me to allow kids to ruin their puberty and to view white people as evil. Just pointing out the obvious. The bigotry is coming almost exclusively from the left in media.
you glossed over the fact that these remakes "woke" as you put it, are not faithful to the source material. Thats important as the existing fan base is what will make the movie a success generally. If you make a movie that appeals to a certain genre of people, take SCIFI which has a hugely white and asian (typically male) fan base and then suddenly add a gangster hood theme to it, you might find that the original fan base doesn't enjoy the movie, the likely hood of people who enjoy ganster themed movies are unlikely to like the sci fi aspect. The same can be said if you turn a love story in to a scifi, the original female fanbase probably wont enjoy it. You touched on the laziness, and that in my opinion is the issue, Instead of creating original content they are re-hashing old content and alienating that fan base. Whether you agree with these other youtubers or not, the proof is in the pudding. If it flops at the box office you did something wrong, disrespecting the source material is a sure fire way to get the fan base off side, that said some fan bases are fanatical.... the witcher is a perfect example of alienating a fan base,
Wokeness is absolutely the problem, In the book Problems of Dostoevsky's Poetics by Mikhail Bakhtin the idea is brought forth that the reason Dostoevsky's books are of higher quality than other works is because he explores a diverse array of philosophies. In modern Hollywood movies, most people working in these companies live in the same place and share the same worldview (and with companies wanting to copy past success) this leads to all films feeling the same. Intersectional make low-quality movies for the same reason Christians make low-quality movies they are too dogmatic to understand any other philosophy. You have proven this in this very video claiming everyone who hates these movies is either stupid or sexist, therefor if you were to write a villain inspired by these people all they would be is sexist or an idiot and that is just boring and predictable. It also disgusts me that you find these large companies taking a piece of art, and changing it into something different to pander to fans as acceptable. These original works should be considered art and should be respected, the original authentic design of the creators should be respected. The fact you are happy to see characters getting race-swapped or having their core beliefs changed to align with a modern philosophy shows you have no respect for the art of movies. I write books and I love each of my characters like they are family, the idea of some corporate executives coming in taking the work I created, (which is what Marvel has done to many of their creators)and changing my creations sickens me,
>that position doesn't actually exist It does, it is way more common than you think, believe me, sometimes it seems like a caricature, and then you encounter someone who makes it look moderate.
@@an8strengthkobold360 I’m not a fan of Disney LA remakes. So do you know what i did? I DIDNT GO SEE THEM. They weren’t for me and I didn’t care for them. Also i didn’t bitch and moan about it for YEARS. Try growing up and moving on? I’m sure fast and furious 25 is out soon, go see thatz
Thank you for explaining something I've been saying (not in a proper intellectual way) about these "movie review" hustlers where the majority are only in it for the money because they know HATE sells better than anything like nuance, common sense, updating the old etc. Even if these movies don't work, it's not because a character isn't a white man. It's because some are just lazyily made. They are still trying to add other members of society who WATCH THE SAME MOVIES, but now with minorities and women being actually noticed. At the end of the day, people can cry and whine about the movies they don't like by ignoring them. People have been changing and making their own versions of art that's been made before, since the start of someone picking up a pencil or, charcoal or singing other people's songs and putting their own spin on them just like remaking movies and all the other type of art that's been produced over the centuries. HATE takes far less energy and much more easier to build than the opposite. UA-cam is the perfect platform for those who don't care who they are hurting and they know that same kind of hate will never be directed at them because they are in the majority and that UA-cam and most people won't hold them accountable for their blatant disrespect of whole communities. Thankfully there STILL ARE some who do hold these knuckle draggers to account and can handle their lame attempts of hiding their bigotries for all to see.
Most of these "ant-woke" rail about the good old shows and cartoons, and I noticed when going back to all those old shows they had sooo much "woke" stuff they would hate if they came out today. That's one reason I stopped watching those channels.
back then it was their for a purpose and was to add something or be a throw away line and be funny now its either accept this or a crucify you while making the characters entire personality and being focused around this accessory than it ebeing a part of them
The Battlestar Galactica reboot there I said it that was trash how all of you said it was good I'll never know but I watched the first half of the first season and the miniseries and it was just garbage yet you people flock to it
man I miss the response videos feature UA-cam had oh and no it's not a "Narrative" it is an irrefutable fact you say "These creators' claims are ridiculous" but they are only speaking the truth ya many entertainment companies are outright stating that they are doing the very thing the UA-camr you are raging on "show" that is all they are doing is showing that the entertainment companies who wont stop saying that they are doing the vare thing in queston
Dang dude the blind fans who doesnt understand criticism will actually come for you now. Stand strong
My man, you spend a entire minute explaining how things are complicated, and it's not as simple as ideology etc, then begin your counter-narrative with "does it all trace back to bigotry? Well, yeah."
I'll preface this by saying I'm all for progressive movies (like don't look up) and conservative movies, diversity in films and so have you. Unless race is an integral part of a character backstory (like Storm in X-men, or Rand al'Thor in Wheel of time), I really don't mind, most stories - especially good ones, tend to be universal.
The point the 'anti-woke' people make (and I can understand the frustration that "woke" is a very amorphous term used by people as a pejorative often rather than a real critique, and that it's certainly a stand-in for any real critical thinking often); is that progressive politics are often made manifest in modern projects, and that this obsession is often (though not always) detrimental to the projects in question (if the projects weren't explicitly set up to be progressive films in the first place, something like brokeback mountain for example). A point: women are on average (and this becomes more extreme at physical peaks), 50% weaker in upper body, and 33% weaker in lower body strength than male counterparts. They are also on average four to six inches shorter, and ten or more kilos lighter. That's not a value statement, it's a statistical statement. So, a progressive talking point since the 1960s (see firestone), is that difference between men and women is mostly socially constructed, and biology has no real bearing on "maleness" and "femaleness," and this is made manifest in female action heroes that eviscerate male counterparts with domineering physicality. Can women beat men in a straight-up physical fight? Yes, I'm a martial artist, it is possible. Is it likely? No, that's just biological reality - especially if there's no effort on the part of the film to cast a physically imposing woman into the role. Does that mean women can't be action heroes? No, see Sarah Connor in Terminator 2, and the believable way her fights with larger men are handled.
That was a very long winded explanation (so hopefully you wouldn't misunderstand my point), of a single nexus point of a 'progressive' agenda, being incorporated into a neutral film genre (action/adventure), to a detrimental effect (reduction in believability, the setting of impossible/incomprehensible standards for female viewers etc). This is the kind of thing that will be called wokeness, as a kind of catch-all term.
Keep. in mind, many of the people you call bigoted, would likely criticise in the same vein the ultra-conservative films of the 90s, that did the same thing in reverse - refusing to show aspects of character or reality in favour of high-sensibility censorship, with bloodless, nuanceless, squeaky-clean films. Movies with a stated agenda and coherent plan for implementation is one thing. Movies that sell on neutral ground (a superhero film should be ubiquitous in theory, for both conservative and progressive leaning individuals, both right and left wing individuals e.g.,), shouldn't betray that neutrality either way, by including a lazy, unrelated political/ideological bent. A white character in a team bowing out with grace, and allowing a black character to step up (exchange any identity there really), is a good thing, and perhaps a good opportunity. A consistent theme of it only going one way however, especially when historical and period pieces are involved, feels more akin to a value statement. A fantastic example of this is falcon and the winter soldier: Race was never a factor in earlier marvel movies, the subject matter was more universal and human. Iron patriot, Colonel Rhodes, was the face of the patriotic American military and the right hand man of the POTUS, in the universes' 2013 continuity. Clearly, the institutions of power in this world don't feel that Rhodes' skin colour excluded him from embodying American values and identity to the world (which is actually a lovely aspiration for escapist fantasy like superheroes, aspirational genres like classic sci fi also, often do better to portray humanity as able to overcome these real, gritty flaws.)
All this fairly uncontroversial and uncommented worldbuilding, is exploded in the FATWS show, where there is a clear and stated conflict with Sam's race, and the position of Captain - even though the role is arguably far less connected to the annals of American power and hierarchy than the Iron patriot. To bring this aspect in was a clear attempt to parallel a certain perception of the real world, into this fictional universe where America and race have been shown to be devoid of this conflict (it also kind of falls flat in real life as well, considering Obama's 2008 election as a unifying people's candidate.)
TL;DR: you fall into the exact same trap as the excesses of what you criticise: you fail to see nuance, or allow for a reasoned difference in opinion, and immediately opt for "bigot," the exact same way someone who doesn't like diversity in Arcane for no other reason than it's own sake, might cry "woke." Don't become what you set out to destroy man, consider that the majority of thoughts, ideas and patterns of thought are more complex than pejoratives or neat little boxes.
"Woke" people are incredibly bigoted, I'm tired of pretending they are progressive
This is an intelligently written comment. I have a couple points of contention; namely that we shouldn't expect total adherence to sex-related statistics in inherently unrealistic pieces of entertainment (in most action scenes, there are a ton of things you could nitpick before bringing gender or even physical size into the picture), and that someone who's respected by many can still experience racist opposition. Though I'm not too interested in diving deep into those right now.
I agree that these topics are nuanced and a work with serious political ambitions should try to get into the weeds and talk about the problems with existing movements that broadly support its cause. But so much anti-woke content targets works that *aren't* seriously political and does so with an extreme *lack* of nuance.
And my comment about everything tracing back to bigotry was flippant, but I do think if prejudice didn't exist, channels like RK Outpost and Geeks + Gamers wouldn't be viable. Like I said, I don't think most people who watch those channels unequivocally hate women/minorities. A lot of that prejudice is unconscious bias that can be momentarily overcome but is hard to fully shed, and might exist in everyone (in one direction or another). The modern left can get puritanical in classifying everyone as either a victim or an oppressor with no in between, which can come across as really hostile to some people who might otherwise join our side. In my mind, the primary solution to that is to focus one's opposition not toward people, but toward ideas.
@@kasplachproductions6198 I disagree. These people know it's it's more profitable to hate than it is to have nuance or even facts and their bigotry is just a part of their personalities. And the amount of morons that follow them who haven't even seen any of these movies, enjoy and love that these phony "critics" are saying it out loud. All of them are weak cowards who couldn't debate their ways out of wet paper bags when it comes down to it. Those who don't do it for the money are just thick in the head LOL.
@@kasplachproductions6198 Cheers for the great reply man, I was probably a bit too uncharitable to you in my initial post. Certainly agree that "woke" doesn't often have much intelligent usage as a critique, and is definitely overused for baits and clicks nowadays. Maybe we'd disagree on a few of the nuances when it comes to what constitutes political correctness and/or illogical progressive tropes/stances in modern entertainment, but I think we can definitely agree that excesses on both sides aren't a good thing, and we both love good, well-made media. Good luck with your content man, hope you're able to continue successfully providing a counterpoint view, and have good debates.
Bro just shat out the same narrative the grifters gave him and because it's long and doesn't cuss you call it intelligent? He's still talking nonsense
Sorry for all the dislikes, one of the better takedowns of this anti woke grift
0:50 I mean you literally have examples like Rings of Power, The Last Jedi and Wheel of Time as examples of why a political message over telling a story is lowering the quality of the medium.
They can't do their own thing so they must jump onto something popular to spread their message.
Ofc we nerds and geeks are going to hate that. being exploited like that-_-
The Last Jedi doesn't have a political message in it outside of the “both sides buy weapons from these bad people” speech Benecio gives. What makes people angry at that movie was that Rey was kind of a Mary Sue and they killed Luke off in a lame way, leaving no chance in hell for The Resistance to rally. It's a bad movie, but morons have convinced you it's a “political message”. It's not. A lot of this nonsense with “wokeness” started when bad movies with bad writers write bad characters. The sad thing is that there are a lot of angry young men who can't get laid out there turning it into A Message.
@@AuspexAO It had a rather clear message of Male main characters being ridiculed while reprimanded by others.
* Luke is a failure, tried to kill his nephew, bitter and dies after using the force one.
* Finn is made into joke instead of being the fish out of water character from ep7. He was even denied a heroic sacrifice.
* Poe is yelled on for the entire move and kept in the dark so he could fail even more
* And even though Carrie Fisher passed on they had to force her to be in the movie, even though they had a perfect moment to conclude her character. It derailed the entire movie.
* Holdo's "win" was breaking the lore so badly that they had to add a statement in the final movie to try and explain how it was even possible.
* The casino planet was just pointless filler and the least of the movies problems.
@@AlexanderForsman The "message" (I'm already getting sick of that meme) is not what you think. It's ok, because the movie is not really that well-written, but the things you're seeing in the movie are ridiculous at BEST. The theme of the movie is failure. Yoda delivers the theme while he's being all jolly for some reason and blowing up the Jedi tree. There is another underlying and much, much worse theme of discarding the old traditions and creating a new path. It's that theme that everyone kind of thought was going to end up saving The Last Jedi.
Luke failed at bringing back the crusty old Jedi, so he was going to make something better. Snoke failed to create a new Sith Empire, so Kylo and Rey were going to make a crazy new power in the galaxy that would have been the badass evil power in the third movie. Holdo and the Resistance leadership failed, so Poe, Finn, and whoever else was down to join them would create something that got away from the strict military doctrine of the Old Rebellion (now the Remnants of the New Republic Navy).
Did any of that happen? No. The movie instead decided to hint at new beginnings and "subvert our expectations" over and over until the very simple Kylo vs. Luke encounter happened that was super obvious. It doesn't even matter that Luke was a hologram or not, he was defeated delaying Kylo. For like...a day or two?
There are no successful female characters in the entire movie: Rose is infamously bad at everything to the point where she's basically a meme, her sister died pointlessly, Holdo died (sure she took out a ship, but she used the Resistances last warship to do it). Leia was unable to do anything the whole movie. Rey had to run from Kylo. Everyone fails in The Last Jedi. It's a movie obsessed with failing, but not with learning from failure nor about building something that isn't the same old lame institutions.
I hope I could help you understand one of the worst Star Wars stories ever told and maybe help you put aside some of the faschy nonsense you may have heard The Mauler or some other thug say. Those people are mostly really hateful and terrible people. It's better to understand that they're not good critics, they're good propagandists.
@shinzagu Thanks for the inciteful argument, drone. If I want a rebuttal I'll message one of your brainwashers, lol.
@@AuspexAOit's not ridiculous. He is correct in regards to Tom's message regarding identity politics. We literally have documents outlining Disney's policies regarding this stuff and TLJ was very obvious about it too. It also followed a pattern with other Lucasfilm projects since then. Kathleen Kennedy pre Disney purchase is on film talking about wanting more female representation too.
What this video misses is that the studios spend lots of time and money to boast about the diversity and message as a point of quality. And they attack fans as bigoted for not liking bad product. Studios don’t do either when Expendables 4 bombs.
And the video itself is doing the motte-and-bailey fallacy. It just asserts its own, more moderate definition of the message.
I won't argue that a lot of these movies are bad. I didn't like the new Little Mermaid, which seemed like just a movie we had already seen done better. Do you have any actual examples of corporations saying this, though or just actors getting harassed & their coworkers getting mad about them getting harassed & some chud trying to claim that Disney said anyone who doesn't like their movie/show is racist when no one actually said that?
@@AceOfSevensThere are three big examples I can think of. First is Ghostbusters 2016, which started this whole disastrous trend. The others are She-Hulk, and Velma, which were written to mock the audience.
@@Kaisona2017 do you have examples of the production companies actually saying anyone who doesn't like it is racist or just the names of shows & movies?
@@Kaisona2017 Ghostbusters 2016 was just a genuinely bad movie. I can't speak to Velma because I haven't even bothered watching it. She-Hulk however ... if you felt mocked, perhaps you're part of the problem. I found its commentary hilarious actually.
@@lichbane01 She-Hulk is possibly the most insecure show ever with how it wants to represent it's detractors. It treated both beloved characters Hulk and Dare Devil like trash, and I don't know how you can call it hilarious when it's some of the most cringe work ever.
I'm honestly amazed you classify Shadiversity as "anti-woke". The man just wants classic media properties treated with respect instead of used as vehicles for messaging by people who care more about their message than about the settings they use.
I think two things can be true
Yet he called the Mario Movie woke because princess peach was wearing pants, despite the fact that she was using that outfit for racing.
@@struggler7164He didn't call the final product woke. He said he was aware of the fact the American movie studio was trying to include a lot of details that Nintendo had to cut out. He like many of us was speculating what those "California additions" may have been.
Blame the left for trying to alter a MARIO movie to push their politics until the Japanese stepped in.
@@themeangene He kept calling Princess Peach a girlboss, despite the fact that her taking action and being independent is accurate to the games. And the guy is very VERY stupid to even ask the question why is she wearing pants in combat, let alone a racing suit that functions as a suit for battle.
Oh, and "blaming the
left for trying to alter the Mario Movie before the Japanese stepped in". Dude, the people still called the movie woke even after the Japanese stepped in and the movie was already out with success financially and mostly critically.
This comment of yours reeks and shows your bias, it's embarrassing. I'll give Shad this though, at least he still had the heart to let his daughter watch the movie, even if he didn't like it. Poor girl will probably leave him when she's grown up.
Interesting that you didn't talk about activism, and they cite activism as a defining trait of 'woke'.
I guess because activism has been part of America’s history for a long time.
Because the only people who don't see woke (funny it's in quotes. Just 4 years ago they were so proud of the term, just like 10 years ago they were proud of social justice.) And it's influence in modern media, are those who are willfully ignorant. Either due to moral cowardice and not wanting to choose a side. Or due to supporting the agenda it proposes.
@@Kaisona2017
They didn't talk about a key aspect of the thing they are criticizing because it's been around a while.
So a choice to be disingenuous?
@@Kaisona2017 Obfuscation.
It's kind of ironic when they are actively being activists.
If you actually watch the Drinker, he gives a fair shake to things that have supposedly woke messaging like that video of the new star wars director who's an activist documentary maker. But overall, most people don't mind seeing diversity or different cultures. What people don't like is seeing their favorite legacy characters brought low in favor of a new character that checks a lot of boxes and shames the others for not doing as much as they can. Or seeing established worlds have their history and culture get replaced because the 'storytellers' want to use said 'story' to harp about their political views. Or elevating certain characters merely because of said diversity. And most of all, people are tired of getting called racist and sexist because they didn't think these movies with terrible stories, characters and themes were any good. Granted, guys like Yellow Flash tend to get carried away. But guys like Drinker and Nerdrotic are usually willing to give things a chance.
DOES he give them a fair shake though? It seems like in most cases when a movie stars a woman or POC he's already made up his mind before a single trailer has even come out, not to mention his media literacy is shockingly bad. He misses basic plot points explained in the movie and also misunderstands the subtext in most movies/shows he "reviews."
@@aviciousfridgeMis anthro pony 2.0?
>only when its a left-leaning agenda
Because so many things have a left leaning agenda nowdays, that having a right leaning agenda is refreshing?
You bring it up in this video it is funny how engrossed in behind the scenes stuff and articles about stuff back in my day we just watched trailers and that’s it but now everyone on UA-cam is a journalist
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The correlation is that recruiting writers/talent based on diversity limits the amount of hyper-talented people you can get on a project because more talented people will inevitably be cut in favor of less talented ones that help you meet all your DEI quotas.
Diversity doesn't exclude anyone, that's the point of diversity.
Also, I like how you're implying that companies just hire any black dude on the street to make themselves look diverse when they just go through people who PITCH THEMSELVES to the companies via portfolios.
@@Onemanshowoff where do I imply that? What I'm pointing out really isn't disputable. It's basic math. If you have ten job openings and ten S tier candidates apply who are of one demographic, but you're only allowed to hire five from that particular demographic, you can't get all ten and will have to draw your remaining employees from a potentially lower tier.
There might be also be S tier employees within the other demographics, but there might not be. The point is, the reverse can never be true. It can never improve your likelihood of having a full roster of S-tier employees if you limit yourself by hiring based on race.
@@bryanvanduck You're implying a worst case scenario for just hiring more groups of people. Yes, I agree, companies shouldn't hire people who are not qualified for their jobs, but when has that ever happened though? No really, I wanna see a case where Disney just hired a black dude off the street instead of an artist who had a portfolio ready for review.
@@Onemanshowoff again, I never implied that this is how they do this, but if you would like an actual example, Alaqua Cox, the actress who plays Marvel's Echo, was hired with zero acting experience and not even any real ambition of becoming an actress. She was an Amazon worker who applied basically just because she checked all the boxes and got the part.
@@bryanvanduck I have no state in Hawkeye, so I'm not going to say a word about that, it's all matter if she did good or not and I can't say for certain because I have never seen Hawkeye. I will say this though, maybe this first role is a gateway for her to take acting more seriously as a profession? Also, I will say that I don't agree when you say that diversity hire automatically means they will grab ANYONE who checks boxes regardless of background. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but to assume that is the default cause of diversity hire is foolish to me. When I said you're implying the worst case scenario, this is what I mean.
You clearly miss the point of message anti-woke youtubers spread. If you will watch some of their videos, you will saw that they like many characters that are women, or minorities, or LGB - but only if they are well written. From new things for example is here Arcane, where main character is women and lesbian. But it is great character. Therefore saying that "anti-wokers" are against minorities, women and LGB is nonsense.
You are right that they know their audience. some of them make vidoes daily and often make something from nothing, because they want to feed their viewers with content. But it doesn´t mean that they are right. You can take Arcane, or Atomic blond from newer things, or many female characters from older movies - and they are great and strong and have depth. In many modern movies they are invincible and all around them are stupid so they can look great. Many anti-wokers compare animated and live action Mulan. I love animated version so there is no secret anti-woke agenda, or click bait, or any other nonsense when people criticize that live action Mulan is woke garbage - because it is. Animated shown tenacity, resolution, endurance and wit to outcome all obstacles. Live action Mulan is perfect as she is, because she is woman - that is The Message.
Look at Rings of Power, in many promo interviews they talk mainly about first black elf, or first female dwarf - like it is somehow important. It is not. Normal people - not racists like those who can´t identify themselves with white characters and need they own representation - don´t care about who create movies, if there is female director and screenwriters, or how many minorities are on screen. They care about good movie, to have fun and good time when they watch it.
And race or gender swap is bad - like Henry Cavil said, it is passion, not toxicity. Fans love their characters - "their" as characters they know from books, comics, or games. Often they are mad if character have just different hairstyle, or something really minor. So you think it is racism, or homophobia, or sexism if they are mad when those characters have changed sex, sexual orientation, or race? No, it is not. And there is no reason to change them - only reason is some stupid agenda - yes, that word. Why? Because there is no reason for it. You talk about movie literacy. What about literacy of original sources? Marvel comics have lots of black and LGB superheroes so why change white or hetero to something else? They have lots of popular female characters, so why make male characters like Wolverine, to female? It is laziness to promote those characters, when they can make easy swap with already popular characters. Even people who don´t like comics movies know who is Wolverine. Why make changes in Witcher for example? Books were popular, video games were popular - who do they think will watch the TV show? Activists or people who like books and games? Of course the latter and that is why they left the show, because of the changes - if people want in movie what they know and love, they don´t want changes.
No one ever give any explanation why to make those changes. Except for racist who can identify only with people that look and act like them, or explain it “because it is year XY”. But any adaptation is made in first place because of popularity. If comics, book, animated movie, or video game is popular, then you made movie or TV show for people who like it. Not for people who don´t like it, because they aren´t represented there.
It can be changed through dialogue - you are right with this. But there is no dialogue with woke activists. They label anyone who disagrees with them as racist, or homophobe. Female version of Ghost Busters didn´t flop because there were female, but because it wasn´t funny. Main priority in many movies is just show that they promote popular progressive tendencies and don´t care about story, character development, or even internal logic of their movie worlds. They have double standards but never acknowledge them. Dialogue is basic what bring our culture forward. Philosophers have long and tiresome debates about anything and win with arguments. But when one side say “I don´t care about your arguments, because you are racists” then there is no dialogue.
Overall this whole thing is nonsensical
It's already stated the issue lies on double-standard in handling both case of bad product brought with bad faith and incompetency, supposedly bad "woke" movie or story often get backlash way out of proportion normally given to those typical bad media casted in default, from setting to characters that cater to white men's worldview with constant male gaze. Example with Transformer that was just so brain-dead in mind, nothing more than hero fantasy, and filled too many seeping ads, also sexualized male gaze very often being used, and yet people won't feel bad about such shallow commercialized media (like seriously, it has weaker lore showcasing and storytelling than the old cartoon version).
@@williemherbert1456 I agree, Transformers are totally shallow, stories are mess with lots of holes, only thing that gain audience are special effects. But it doesn´t change anything from what I wrote. Nonwoke movies are also bad, nobody ever denies that. Movies like transformers aren´t hurt because of some woke agenda, but only because of incompetent creators.
And "male gaze" is myth. If we want to be correct, it is also "lesbian gaze" and I don´t think that DEI people would take that away from them, but they clearly don´t think about them. And movies were always about pretty people. It is natural that we want to see pretty people, even if it is unnatural, if there are 20 characters and all are pretty. Take for example those transformers. Yes, Megan Fox is beautiful and people like to look at her. But that is all. She is bad actress and everybody sees it. After few blockbusters she now play in B and C movies. And we can still stay with transformers. And even women like to watch strong and good looking men and also beautiful women. In games they also play with beautiful female characters. Women like to look good. They fight for their right to look good and wear short and later double swimsuits and prudent men arrests them for this. And wome and men aren´t monoliths. Some women like to look sexy, some feel more confortable in more modest outfit, some men prefer mucho sports, some men like musicals. So it make no sense to put all biliions of men in one category of "male gaze oppresors" and billions of women in one category of "male gaze victims".
"The Message" is not simply about a media saying "women and minorities good, fuck fascism", but the the destructive approach of creators when putting into a movie. "The Message" is when a celebrated work or part of culture is cynically torn down for the purpose of progressive political activism. Its when a female-lead movie has all its male characters as villains or emasculated yes-men. Its when a sequel replaces its main character with a diverse replacement whose better at everything and devalues the old main character's achievements and places them in a subservient/humiliating role. Its when lazy writers tote the diversity of their work and how they are fixing the errors of the past are the key measure that gives their story value and to deflect criticism from those pointing out its flaws.
The problem with this grand labeling is that you're cutting waaaay too wide a swath. You're Polish, right? Well everyone knows that Geralt's role being diminished in The Witcher sucked and it seems like some of the writers had beef with Cavill. That absolutely seemed like a huge problem. The problem is, even before this was a thing, the anti-woke people were calling the gorgeous actress cast as Yennifer ugly and complaining about black people being cast in certain roles. I refuse to lump sexism and racism in with actual issues on a writing team. I know it's easy when it's all “The Message”, but Cavill loved working with the actress that played Yen, and I thought she did great. It's why these fascist leaning guys can't be trusted. They grab a few threads that are true and then tie them to “we've just got to stop casting so many blacks!”
I cut a wide swath for the sake of explaining the core sentiment of the phrase, about how "The Message" is meant to encompass the trends and attitudes of the entitled champagne socialist activism and hollow virtue signalling that is endemic in hollywood currently. I'm not going to defend when these frustrations are used to fuel racist and sexist harassment, and besides Drinker I find a lot of the rest of anti-woke media critique youtube to be lazy and fear mongering and don't give them my attention. I wouldn't call any of the ones I am familiar with fascists though because I'm not a mind reader who interprets every opposing opinion in bad faith and thinks anyone right from me is a cryptofascist in disguise.
Since you want to talk about Witcher in specific, let's talk about "The Message" in that show. Yes hate mobbing the casting was racist and I'm against harassing actors/actresses just because you dislike what they were cast for, but at the same time it was a reaction to opossing cases such as when journalists and progressives ragged on Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a game set in rural medieval Bohemia (in the middle of central europe), for not being ethnically diverse. And beyond those initial pre-released months no one to be taken seriously criticized the casting because they played the roles well and were true to the characters. Overall the first season was well received as a flawed but well meaning adaptation of the beginning of the story. Had the writers continued on that course people wouldn't complain about the show being woke to any significant degree. But what happened starting with season 2? The writers decided that they can do better, that they have to "improve" the story. So they sideline Geralt and change the story from what the fans of the books and games wanted to see. They were so adamant in this course, and so hostile to criticism that they alienated Cavill because he valued the original work and fought to try to see it faithfully adapted. And when he left they tried to smear him as if he was some gamer-bro, sexual harassing chud the same way any critic is nowadays. And this is the pattern of so many of the medias that come under the anti-woke ire. They take a beloved story and decide that they can do better then what the people that want the media, the people ostensibly paying for it, expect because it is their duty to co-opt the story to push their sociopolitical agenda. Because the Message is "what (y)our culture valued is wrong and contemptible, it can only be good if it is torn down and changed to match our political values, and if you don't praise us then you're a neo-nazi who should be banished to the fringes of society"
@@PolishNomad95 You lost me at "champaign socialists". More lame excuses for fascist propaganda from these wanker UA-camrs who like to have an income based on hate. You can shove it too.
I think that the video made it abundantly clear that "The Message" is vague enough to mean whatever the specific audience member wants it to mean. You just happen to have attributed your definition to it .... and that may be completely different from someone else's definition.
Your cult calling you a thought criminal is wild.
Yeah, I used to watch Nerdrotic, too. But now I just hate him. Because all he does is just spread negativity and hate. He always does it in this silly, mocking voice without EVER contributing anything positive. He's just complaining about everything without ever suggesting some improvements. And it totally shows, if you look into their comment sections. Try disagreeing with basically anything there!
And good luck trying to save your head. 😅🤭
Critikal Drinker was about to go down the same path, but seems to have more brain cells left, ironically. 😅
He got more popular, because he actually does propose some suggestions and he's not BLINDLY hating, he actually brings good arguments most of the time and also isn't afraid to be wrong sometimes. He can change his mind and openly admit it whilst most of those other haters can't. Their ego is too big...
Critical and Nerdrrotiv have several films and media with females and minorities that they praise yet you don't cite a single example of them hating on someone because of their skin colour or gender. It's quite disgusting that you imply some hidden bigotry when everything is backed with an arguments and all the channels you name are pro gay and women's rights
because that would hurt his message
Critical Drinker literally claimed that Across the Spiderverse hates white men because Peter was goofy, and Nerdrotic daily refuses to acknowledge Miles as Spiderman.
I literally had to remove nerdrotic from my UA-cam feed because even his video titles were misogynist, lol. I've watched Drinker. He's not The Quartering or some alllllthe way Right guy, but he's rapidly getting there. I don't think they guy is secretly rocking a Nazi flag yet, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I know the Drinker does like some diverse media and he's not as bad as some of these guys. He even makes a decent point here and there. But he'll still go out of his way to constantly crap on progressive politics, often in incredibly vague terms that can at least be easily interpreted as "diversity = bad".
@@kasplachproductions6198 Drinker thinks that diversity is not necessary good. He belives that it is a neutral concept and he is absolutely right .
Dear Kapslash, I rarely comment on any social media, but it seems like your heart is in the right place. So here we are…
I’m afraid you have participated in the same mischaracterization of the “anti-woke” crowd for which you are accusing them. You say they’re using logical fallacies and cognitive biases while avoiding open dialogue and critical thinking. Have you talked to any of these content creators? Do you know their basis for argument? Critical Drinker is a published novelist, Chris Gore was an indie filmmaker, and Nerdrotic was a San Francisco comic shop owner. For these three, at least, media illiteracy may be an unfair critique.
So for the sake of tactical empathy, consider an alternative hypothesis…
“Wokeness” is not bad because it’s diverse, it’s bad because it represents diversity being shoehorned into a story regardless of whether or not it enhances that story. The “message” of female/minority empowerment is not itself bad, but in recent years has been poorly executed.
When characters talk to the audience instead of to each other, it feels less like metaphor and more like lecture. When writing is too on-the-nose, it feels less like theme and more like propaganda. When stories have become predictable based on the casting rather than the plot, characters or setting, then we’ve left the realm of theme and metaphor and now we’re just hurling insults at people we find distasteful.
Perhaps, then this is not a bigotry problem, but a marketing problem. Movies that are not diverse are still getting the negative backlash, but the diverse films are getting it worse because of an audience mismatch. There is a smaller audience interested in diversity as a theme than Hollywood seems to register. Most of the media receiving complaints are from nerd culture (ie. superheroes and scifi) and dude culture (ie. cars, guns and scantily clad women), which has a majority male audience.
To do some monkey math… 60-70% of the US population is white and half of those are males. Which means the 30-35% of the available market interested in nerd and/or dude media represents about the same number of people as the remainder of the non-white US population. So, if a studio makes a film that depicts its heroes as predominantly female and/or minorities and then sidelines its white male characters, treating them as buffoons, simps, creeps or villains, then regardless of the quality of the film, that studio has - whatever their intentionality - insulted their core audience.
Disney, for example, is a princess brand made for females under 25. When they purchased Star Wars and Marvel, they attempted to convert those properties into princess brands as well (eg. Rey and the Avengers replacements). Unfortunately, the majority of the brand equity from those two studios was from males over 25. Even if they gained 20% of the -25F market, they lost 80% of the +25M market. And as a result their stock prices have dropped from $160 at the beginning of 2022 to $90 at the end of 2023.
Perhaps then, the backlash isn’t from media illiterate, right wing, hate-mongers, but from people who went out to see some of their favorite IP and got painted as straw men only to get their noses rubbed in ad hominem. Granted there are neophytes who are easily swayed by inflammatory headlines, this group is likely not statistically significant enough to tank the Hollywood machine. Bad product-market fit on the other hand... To quote Zemo from Civil War, “an empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead... forever.”
Best video I've seen so far on this freaking topic
I’m generally pretty busy person when I heard “the many saints of Newark has nothing to do with sopranos and is woke propaganda about the Newark race riots” I didn’t challenge it but this weekend I did watch it and the riots are maybe 10-15 minutes of the movie and does have a reason to be in there.
"You only hear about pandering when it's in works for women and minorities"
Yes, its taking established brands and changing them to be something that they're not.
Star Wars was a boy brand with plenty of girls as fans.
Disney decided that Star Wars should be for everyone, even when it already was, and proceeded to make it for no one because of agenda.
It really is that easy. The piece of art for everyone is far less interesting than the art for "this audience".
The horror genre knows this and can still make art for the fans, no matter the demographic of the fans.
Nah, Kotor 2 was a very female-centric piece of Star Wars media. It's also the best written thing since Empire. The idea of writing something to boys or girls (lol, I feeling like a kid even saying things like “boys toy!”) is incredibly stupid. Write good fiction and everyone will like it. Dummies like your boys club, and grown ups like me and my friends (some of which have c$&*s! Ohhh, close the clubhouse doors, ha ha ha ha)
They complain that Star Wars became political when it always has been. It even has wars in its name and george Lucas said it’s an allegory for the Vietnam war. It has an anti-totalitarian message. That’s what I like about sw. I could relate to that because im Filipino and we fought back against the Spanish.
Star Wars isn't just a boy brand, it's literally neutral pacifist brand that discourage constant upbringing of Industrial-Military Complex of USA seeing into norms for US public that had grown tired from American's imperialism and exceptionalism, thus could be lumped as part of progressivist political byproduct.
You’re missing the point: their concern is about quality wokeness takes out from entertainment, not wokeness in itself (which is stupid as fuck by the way).
There have always been bad to mid movies that were just corporate product. There have probably been more of them than big budget good movies in fact. What's absurd is acting like this is somehow wokeness's doing. That Little Mermaid remake's problem was that it had no real ambition except to get another bite at the pie. The Marvels's problem was that they shot it with half a script & tried to to fix it in post. Wish's problem was suits sucked all the interesting ideas out in order to hit a bunch of things they thought were marketable. More white actors wouldn't have improved any of them.
Okay but what do you even define as “wokeness” and how does it inherently remove quality tho?
@@josciety5579 Most of the "haters" define a thing as woke when pushing the far left agenda is more important than the story that is being told.
This frequently comes about as a new character introduced that checks lots of diversity boxes and is better than established characters and/or established characters getting torn down and mocked, usually behind the scenes, but sometimes it's Harrison Ford being yet again a bad and disillusioned dad that failed his family and hates himself.
@@dyskordian “Far Left agenda being there's someone with a vagina on my screen. I'm about to reee so hard right now!” Lol. Far left politics is about laborers taking control of government, it has nothing to do with diversity. The people you watch are dumb, don't parrot them or people will think you are too.
@@AceOfSevens they hire people based on gender, sex, color instead of ability. At the same time talented and experienced people who are not bending the knee are put out of the door.
This is what's happening right now in Hollywood. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Wow, the amounts of context that you dodge right there! You should really call the wachowskis , maybe you could be the next neo!
These people world view isn't base on love for other 😂😂😂😂😂😂
glad the comments are tearing this trash propaganda apart. Guy should be ashamed of himself, but this cringe is the only way he could think of to get clout and views from the breadtube clique and grow his channel.
For those is no Media Literacy complaining about "the message", a story's theme is:
"The message the author is trying to convey tot their audience."
Every great story has a theme and Critical Dullard should have learned about story themes back in middle school lit class.
Doesn't cdrinker mean it in the same way? Are things like feminism / queer acceptance not messages?
It comes from Don't Be a Menace to South-Central While Drinking Your Juice In the Hood.
It's a completely stupid and irreverent black stereotype escapist comedy, but in two or three little scenes our protagonist relays a very important and real message, but it's out of place in the film. It ruins the flow and immersion. To highlight that the mailman steps into frame and says "Message!"
It's used by the people being talked about in this video to refer to intersectionality as activism in entertainment.
Feminism isn't 'the message'. Feminism is righteous and if you disagree you are evil, is 'the message'.
Captain Jack in Dr Who being pan-sexual wasn't 'the message' because neither the show nor people behind the scenes told us to respect Jack because he's pan-sexual.
New Rose in Dr Who being non-binary is 'the message', as behind the scenes we're told we need to respect non-binary inclusion and the writing in the show tells us Rose must be respected because they are non-binary.
Pictures are for entertainment, messages should be delivered by Western Union.
-Samuel Goldwyn
Okay I'm 3 and 1/2 minutes into your video and I want to know why you hate the original Battlestar Galactica compared to the new one when the new one is anti-woke
I watched one critical drinker video and my feed was wall to wall misogyny for far too long.
Exactly. It's a literal right wing pipeline
@shinzagu Nope it's just that I fell into that pipeline for 2 years and I only realized it in the last few years
Are you going to address how Movie studios need to maintain high ESG scores to get the loans they need to keep the lights on? And to get a high ESG score typically means you typically have to hire a quota of poc/female/lgbtq people as employees?
How about how BlackRock, one of the most powerful financial organisations in the world, is specifically pushing this, with one of their head honchos on camera admitting as much? Coincidentally, BlackRock are major shareholders at Disney btw.
How about how Disney employees have recently come forward anonymously to discuss how there is 100% a woke agenda within Disney that is explicitly anti-male and anti-white, with the mantra being 'male and pale is stale'?
Vould it be that 'the message' is not only a very real thing but also, *gasp*, unironically a morally BAD thing that is creatively destructive?
This is not the right thing to do
Imagine if these guys were around when Superman IV came out.
@shinzagudefine woke then
Uhm Superman 4 is universally panned for being terrible and preachy. You gave an example of a movie that proves the anti SJW talking points lol.
Now imagine a media landscape where 80% of entertainment is Superman 4. That's why consumers are revolting against the woke left right now
Yep, things have always been bad, most things are bad.
You just froget the bad shows from the past over time.
Bad shows from the 80s-00s weren't trying to convince me to allow kids to ruin their puberty and to view white people as evil. Just pointing out the obvious. The bigotry is coming almost exclusively from the left in media.
you glossed over the fact that these remakes "woke" as you put it, are not faithful to the source material. Thats important as the existing fan base is what will make the movie a success generally.
If you make a movie that appeals to a certain genre of people, take SCIFI which has a hugely white and asian (typically male) fan base and then suddenly add a gangster hood theme to it, you might find that the original fan base doesn't enjoy the movie, the likely hood of people who enjoy ganster themed movies are unlikely to like the sci fi aspect. The same can be said if you turn a love story in to a scifi, the original female fanbase probably wont enjoy it.
You touched on the laziness, and that in my opinion is the issue, Instead of creating original content they are re-hashing old content and alienating that fan base. Whether you agree with these other youtubers or not, the proof is in the pudding. If it flops at the box office you did something wrong, disrespecting the source material is a sure fire way to get the fan base off side, that said some fan bases are fanatical.... the witcher is a perfect example of alienating a fan base,
I mean, I guess it works on lonely cowardly virgins.
Do a vid explaining think tanks and guys like Luntz and preying on the stupid for votes
How many dislikes, what is the ratio looking like now?
I still chuckle every time I see the "PWONOWNS!!!" guy lmao
This channel seems smart. I have to sub....👍
This video is pretty lazy and does not actually dive deep into any real examples or address the claims made by any of the UA-camrs it is about.
Wokeness is absolutely the problem, In the book Problems of Dostoevsky's Poetics by Mikhail Bakhtin the idea is brought forth that the reason Dostoevsky's books are of higher quality than other works is because he explores a diverse array of philosophies. In modern Hollywood movies, most people working in these companies live in the same place and share the same worldview (and with companies wanting to copy past success) this leads to all films feeling the same. Intersectional make low-quality movies for the same reason Christians make low-quality movies they are too dogmatic to understand any other philosophy. You have proven this in this very video claiming everyone who hates these movies is either stupid or sexist, therefor if you were to write a villain inspired by these people all they would be is sexist or an idiot and that is just boring and predictable.
It also disgusts me that you find these large companies taking a piece of art, and changing it into something different to pander to fans as acceptable. These original works should be considered art and should be respected, the original authentic design of the creators should be respected. The fact you are happy to see characters getting race-swapped or having their core beliefs changed to align with a modern philosophy shows you have no respect for the art of movies. I write books and I love each of my characters like they are family, the idea of some corporate executives coming in taking the work I created, (which is what Marvel has done to many of their creators)and changing my creations sickens me,
>that position doesn't actually exist
It does, it is way more common than you think, believe me, sometimes it seems like a caricature, and then you encounter someone who makes it look moderate.
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Disney box office flops says otherwise dude.
Yeah man, because it has Nothing to do with people waiting to see films on D+ 🙄
Shawshank Redepmtion and Citizen Kane were flops too, and aren't they considered some of the best movies ever?
Yeah man, but all the Disney remakes have flopped not just the woke ones.
People want to see actual films not just shitty remakes.
@@an8strengthkobold360 I’m not a fan of Disney LA remakes. So do you know what i did? I DIDNT GO SEE THEM. They weren’t for me and I didn’t care for them.
Also i didn’t bitch and moan about it for YEARS. Try growing up and moving on? I’m sure fast and furious 25 is out soon, go see thatz
@@Piratesi666yeah because people are definetly talking about how cool those new movies are
Everything woke turns to shit
FIRE🖤
Thank you for explaining something I've been saying (not in a proper intellectual way) about these "movie review" hustlers where the majority are only in it for the money because they know HATE sells better than anything like nuance, common sense, updating the old etc. Even if these movies don't work, it's not because a character isn't a white man. It's because some are just lazyily made. They are still trying to add other members of society who WATCH THE SAME MOVIES, but now with minorities and women being actually noticed. At the end of the day, people can cry and whine about the movies they don't like by ignoring them. People have been changing and making their own versions of art that's been made before, since the start of someone picking up a pencil or, charcoal or singing other people's songs and putting their own spin on them just like remaking movies and all the other type of art that's been produced over the centuries. HATE takes far less energy and much more easier to build than the opposite. UA-cam is the perfect platform for those who don't care who they are hurting and they know that same kind of hate will never be directed at them because they are in the majority and that UA-cam and most people won't hold them accountable for their blatant disrespect of whole communities. Thankfully there STILL ARE some who do hold these knuckle draggers to account and can handle their lame attempts of hiding their bigotries for all to see.
Most of these "ant-woke" rail about the good old shows and cartoons, and I noticed when going back to all those old shows they had sooo much "woke" stuff they would hate if they came out today. That's one reason I stopped watching those channels.
back then it was their for a purpose and was to add something or be a throw away line and be funny now its either accept this or a crucify you while making the characters entire personality and being focused around this accessory than it ebeing a part of them
Its wokeing time
The Battlestar Galactica reboot there I said it that was trash how all of you said it was good I'll never know but I watched the first half of the first season and the miniseries and it was just garbage yet you people flock to it
Don't complain when it fails
It won’t
That's not what media literacy is though. Could have checked a dictionary.
Great vid, good points.
lmao
man I miss the response videos feature UA-cam had
oh and no it's not a "Narrative"
it is an irrefutable fact
you say "These creators' claims are ridiculous" but they are only speaking the truth ya many entertainment companies are outright stating that they are doing the very thing the UA-camr you are raging on "show" that is all they are doing is showing that the entertainment companies who wont stop saying that they are doing the vare thing in queston
First.
Also, bigots are not good people.
Yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night, man. DEI has pushed talented writers out of the writing pool in favor of activists who can't write. Duh.
I'll advocate for them to review your videos on EFAP. They'll invite you onto the stream.
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Sorry rich white dude you can have tradwife now, enjoy her