Why keeping the Law is not required of Christians
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- I’m curious what our Hebrew Roots friends will say about this. They say Christians are required to keep the Torah. And the Torah commands that all males be circumcised at eight days old (Lev 12:3). So circumcision is a command given in the Torah (Lev 12:3), but it's not required in the New Testament by Jesus, Peter, Paul, James or anyone else (Acts 15:1-29; 1 Corinthians 7:18; Galatians 5:1, 6, etc.). So if circumcision, which was a Torah command, isn’t required under Jesus, then those who follow Jesus aren’t required to keep the Torah.
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Tengo curiosidad por saber qué dirán nuestros amigos de Hebrew Roots sobre esto. Dicen que los cristianos están obligados a guardar la Torá. Y la Torá ordena que todos los varones sean circuncidados a los ocho días de edad (Lev 12:3). Así que la circuncisión es un mandato dado en la Torá (Levítico 12:3), pero no es requerida en el Nuevo Testamento por Jesús, Pedro, Pablo, Santiago o cualquier otra persona (Hechos 15:1-29; 1 Corintios 7:18; Gálatas 5:1, 6, etc.) Si la circuncisión, que era un mandato de la Torá, no es requerida bajo Jesús, entonces aquellos que siguen a Jesús no están obligados a guardar la Torá.
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This HR movement was delt with in Galatians, Romans and Hebrews but they still don’t get it!!! 😢
Sadly you are the one that doesn't get it. Especially the context of those passages.
What is the context?
@@Rafyelhijoprodigo- They’ll never answer…
Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
Amen ❤✝️
This literally means a true believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit no longer needs the Law of Moses because they have the very Spirit of God in them to convict them of sin. They don't need to see a list of rules to know something is bad.
Those who do not have the Spirit cannot discern what must be spiritually discerned.
If you have a religious pride demon masquerading as a counterfeit holy spirit in your life then you will interpret this passage to mean even gentile believers have to keep Torah for their salvation except they don't have to be circumcised which even from natural discernment is stupid, illogical, and antiChrist.
@@tannerfrancisco8759 amen
"The more you know." EXACTLY! 💯✝️🎯
I have been having discussions with a HRO guy and he says circumcision is not required for salvation. But I don’t understand that because to keep the law is to be obedient to it. I’m going to share this with him. Thank you.
The issue Paul confronted was that some people were teaching that if men were not circumcised, regardless of their Jew or gentile status, they could not receive salvation: “But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved’” (Acts 15:1 ESV). Now, can you please show me where such a concept is found in scripture? Nowhere! This notion is completely a man made tradition. Can you imagine the idea that without cutting off a piece of skin one would be excluded from the kingdom of heaven? Paul was simply calling out the heresy.
However, what Paul was not doing was speaking out against God’s commandment of circumcision itself, as he stated in Galatians that he still preached, or proclaimed, circumcision: “But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted?” (Galatians 5:11a ESV). And, in Romans (3:1-2) Paul asks the question: “What is the value of circumcision?” His response: “Much in every way!” Since Paul wasn’t contradicting himself, he was undoubtedly rejecting a false teaching, not an instruction of God.
Walking with Paul,
You took those Scriptures out of “Context”, he was saying, in that verse, In essence that, If he was preaching circumcision, then why was he being persecuted, in other words, he was not preaching Circumcision but the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that is why he was suffering persecution by the Jews.
If he were preaching circumcision, then the Jews would not have found fault in him.
@@heidiranger6106 Paul was being persecuted because he was not teaching circumcision with their particular purpose: securing one’s eternal salvation (Acts 15:1). If you can prove from scripture that this was ever the purpose of circumcision, your assertions can potentially be valid. Can you please provide a verse proving this? Unfortunately, the Bible teaches no such thing. Circumcision is a sign of being in covenant relationship with God, not an assurance of salvation. Therefore, what you are arguing was never in view for Paul with the issue at hand. As Paul said, he did in fact teach circumcision, but just not for the heretical purpose that some wanted him to (Galatians 5:11a).
Also, the people teaching circumcision for salvation were likely believers in Jesus themselves. Acts 15 does not clearly state this, but Paul confirms this reality of undoubtedly the same group of men in his letter to the Galatians. Paul states, “It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh (Galatians 6:12-13 ESV).” These Jewish Christians were attempting to somehow stay in the good graces of their non-believing Jewish comrades by perpetuating the false doctrine that circumcision is required for one’s salvation. They received some sort of “notch in their belt” so to speak. By teaching this man-made tradition, they were avoiding a level of persecution that went along with believing in Jesus. Perhaps these non-believing Jews left them alone for still “playing by their rules.” Paul was not going to play by their man-made system. Paul taught God’s commandment of circumcision for its true purpose not a heretical one.
Additionally, remember that Paul states, “What is the value of circumcision? Much in every way (Romans 3:1b).” As it is one God’s commandments, clearly Paul knew its importance.
Biblical continuity from beginning to end is the only way to establish spiritual truth.
God bless,
Paul
@@walkingwithpaul449
the Jewish Nation (Israel) was the only ones that received the circumcision, as a sign of the old Covenant not the Gentiles. They were to be a peculiar people and an Holy Nation from among all the other Nations. (the Gentiles)
The Gentiles were called the “Uncircumcision”, because they were Aliens and Strangers to that Old Covenant but under the “Promise” made to Abraham, they were “a people called out for his Name”, (Yeshua/ Jesus)
To this fact, the words of the prophets agreed. (Read the whole Chapter of Acts Ch 15.)
The Judgement is then made what things Gentiles should avoid.
Then the verse concludes with, for Moses of Old times have those who preach Him, being read in the “Synagogues” every Sabbath day.
In other words:
when the Jews would gather in the Synagogues, as they do Every Sabbath, “this Truth”would become clear to them:
Now: the “circumcision” (the Jews) are justified through Faith in Jesus, and the Uncircumcised Gentiles are Justified through Faith in Jesus.
What set them apart in the Flesh “Circumcision” has now brought them together in the heart by Christ’s Holy Spirit.
The Physical Circumcision, was a “shadow” of a greater reality. That reality is found in Christ.
The cutting away of the Fleshly Foreskin in Circumcision, represents the Cutting away of the Fleshly Sin Nature from the heart.
Christ is performing this “circumcision” of our hearts now, in the Holy Spirit, so their is no need for the Gentiles to be circumcised in their flesh.
I hope you can begin to understand now how the Shadows of the Old Covenant find their Fullest of expression in Christ Jesus under the New Covenant.
God bless you too, Paul.
@@walkingwithpaul449 my Response to you about this text is under “Replies” of your First text that is above this one
@@heidiranger6106 Can you provide scriptural proof that circumcision was ever for the purpose of gaining or securing one’s eternal salvation? I don’t think you addressed that, and your argument hinges upon it.
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what did jesus say about teaching people not to keep the commandments?
Jesus fulfilled the law. He is the object of the law. The law points to Him with shadows and types. Messiah has come. Now we look to him not his,shadows.
The circumcision party that was saying you needed to be circumcised to be saved
the law is perfect, converting the soul (Psalm 19:7) either you go by YaH’s word (Torah) or by that which contradicts it. making you lawless if you don’t follow His laws. sin is breaking His laws.
Amen!
Definitely amen! Amazing how when Yeshua returns, it is the "lawless" ones who are cast out but the church keeps on taking away God's laws.
Yeshua the walking talking Torah 💯❤️📖🗡
@@Messianic_Observer Amen! So strange…
You u need to read the Bible don't ignore what the speaker says just investigate the scriptures he is using
John 15:10
If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father’s commandments, and abide in His love.
Read through John 13-15 and it says specifically which commandments that verse refers to. It’s pretty awesome.
I was talking to a close family member recently and every verse/argument they brought up I then read through the passages of scripture in context plus many others ones-Bible defining itself. Answers are there. (Same with 1 John speaking of keeping commandments-there’s literally verses saying what that exactly is speaking of.)
People really can make the Bible say anything if you take it out of the context/lens it’s meant to have.
Where can I find the series he speaks of
LOVE the more you know at the end well done
A gentile does not have to first become a Jew (get circumcised) when they come to Jesus for salvation. I don't consider myself Hebrew Roots, I do however feel all Ten Commandments are valid and for all believers.
respecfully no one cares what you feel
Do you believe that if you dont follow the 10 commandments you will go to hell?
@@mosreloaded all the commandments are filled with love because love causes no pain. You won’t lie, steal, cheat, blaspheme or boast because you love.
@@chosen.forgiven.blessed Thank you we agree. Just wanted a answer from Debra. Most Hebrew roots will say they dont keep the law for righteousness but then if you ask if you go to hel if you dont keep it, they will say yes. So then its Jesus + law. And many dont see it until you show them. Then i point them to Gal 2.21.
I like to think of them more of wedding vows since God is marring His bride.
Interesting enough when studied you will see the whole mount syeni scenario highly resembles Jewish wedding.
This guy has a great spirit about him.
This guy have a great deceptive spirit. Just as his master who transform himself as angel of Light as minister of righteousness. The serpent told Eve the same lie that she would not die for breaking God commandments and this guy is out doing the same thing.
Psalms 119:53
[53]Indignation has taken hold of me Because of the wicked, who forsake Your law.Proverbs 28:4
[4]Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But such as keep the law contend with them.Psalms 119:1
[1]Blessed are the undefiled in the way, Who walk in the law of the Lord!
Psalms 119:34,44-45,70,72
[34]Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law; Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
[44]So shall I keep Your law continually, Forever and ever.
[45]And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts.
[70]Their heart is as fat as grease, But I delight in Your law.
[72]The law of Your mouth is better to me Than thousands of coins of gold and silver.
These word are written by the great king filled with the Holy Spirit and whom God declared to be a man after his own heart. His hart was delighted to keep and observe God's law. Is king David and example of the righteousness? All kings that followed measured by the bar set by him. And he walk according to all the ways of his father David or he didn't walk in the ways of David his father.
You need to read the whole chapters of the verses you quote. Especially Acts 15
excellent video
Thank you for this explanation. My ex-wife converted to Hebrew Roots while we were married. I went along with it for a while but couldn't figure out why I was so unhappy. I felt a lot of relief after leaving HR but unfortunately my ex has raised our son in the HR beliefs. It has created a lot of problems including my son thinking I am evil. So much so that he says she would bath/baptize him in the creek by their house whenever he would come back to her home from my home.
I could really use some help.
Thank you for sharing your story, Daniel. That has to be so difficult! Hopefully, you'll find some of the videos on this channel helpful. If you haven't seen it yet, you might watch *Five tips for a biblical response to our Torah-keeping friends and family.* ua-cam.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/v-deo.html
I also have a website with lots of articles. rlsolberg.com/
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you. I have recently been checking out your videos and they are definitely helpful. I think its been a long time coming because i've often wondered if there are other people out there in the same situation as me. Ironically our pastors sermon today was on Romans 14 which is right in line with what I've been experiencing. Divine timing.
Listen to your wife. 1 John 2:2-4. You should walk even as he walked. Don't be deceived by Pagan Christianity
@@MorehJosiah I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I said she is my ex-wife. Not my wife. My wife now would not appreciate someone making that mistake on purpose so I'll assume it was an accident. ;)
Calling a Christians belief "pagan" is not how a Christian would behave so the spirit of division or contention seems to be motivating those words. I'd be careful how you speak to people if you want them to think you are a Christian.
As far as "walk as He walked" goes, 1 John 3: 22-24 says very clearly what Jesus commandments are; "Believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another." In 1 John chapter 1 & 2, John is talking about walking in the light of truth like Jesus did. He's saying that if you claim to not have sin then you are a liar. So we should walk like he walked in the light of truth. I know it's complicated but I'll pray you will see it too.
@Yeshayahu Yis’rael a lot of the topics you bring up have already been addressed in Mr. Solbergs many videos. I encourage you to study more and God's spirit of peace and understanding take over instead of division and contention. Calling Christianity pagan and a failure are not words of someone who wants to find peace and togetherness in Christ. I've heard all the topics that you pose are problems, however those issues have already been resolved so I'd think it unfortunate that you choose to believe them. I wonder how you came to believe those things? Where did those ideas come from? Who is the father of lies and division? Who would like nothing better than to see Christ followers divided and fighting so the world can see division in us and determine that is not good. Jesus died for your sins and loves you sooooo much that it hurts him to see you hurting and feeling like you need to make other people agree with you. It is not a Christians role to convince anyone of the truth, it is the Holy Spirit's role. I hope one day you find peace that passes all understanding in Christ and rest in him.
My Hebrew Roots friend tells me Acts 15 says “new believers should stop celebrating pagan holidays and instead learn God’s holy days. They should only eat what God calls food. Our lives should imitate Yeshua’s. The rest they will learn as they read Moses every Sabbath.”
Hi, Angel. The only way your HR friend could find that in Acts 15 is if they wrote all those extra words in the margins of their Bible. Because those ideas are not found in the biblical text! ;-)
Blessings, R.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I could not find them in the bible either. My HR friend said to me “Christ changed nothing. He said walk as I walk”.
@@AlwaysLime What's kind of funny is Jesus never actually said "walk as I walk." He said "follow me" a lot. And the apostle John said "Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked” (1 John 2:6). But John wasn't talking about Torah-observance. As I explained here: ua-cam.com/video/J9vB04AoF7w/v-deo.html
Rob
Angel thays exactly what is communicated in acts 15, dont get tricked into lawlessness 💯❤️📖🗡
If anyone of you really want Truth you have to search for it, advice dont go to church, they have some of the truth, but half the truth is still a lie 💯📖 facts are that the Torah is part of the new covenant, look up Jeremiah 31:33 in the Hebrew, book of Hebrews quotes that very scripture, Messiah himself said heaven and earth would pass before anything perished from the Torah Mathew 5:17-20, Messiah kept the Torah perfectly and said follow Me i have laid before you the perfect example, sadly people want to take away from the Father's perfect Torah, dont fall for it, NO ONE has the authority to do so , not even the Son that's why he said I do nothing of myself, of course we don't keep the Torah to earn salvation, it is the Father's instructions and will for our lives, we can only be justified through the Blood of Messiah Yeshua , but do we continue in sin that grace may abound GOD FORBID Romans 6:1-2, do we make void the Torah through faith GOD FORBID we ESTABLISH the Torah Romans 3:31, the whole point of the Torah is to point out sin, if you get rid of it we no longer are aware of these sins the Torah points out, may YAH bless you all 🙏💯♥️☝️📖
Simple. Context, context, context.
Paul wasnt teaching against circumcision, he was teaching against "salvation through circumcision and the law". Jews taught one must be circumcised to be saved, thus why Paul said they were teaching another gospel. This is why Paul taught that in Christ salvation circumcision didn't matter. But this does not mean Paul was teaching the law was done away with in Christ.
The timing on the 8th day is significant from a medical standpoint because it aligns with the peak levels of Vitamin K and prothrombin in a newborn’s baby boy’s blood.
Thank you
My take on the whole Torah keeping issue is “have to” vs “grow into”. We are covered in Christ Jesus. As we grow into Him we begin to love all of the things of God. All the law is summed up in love for God and love for people. It isn’t a hell issue. Jesus took care of that. The burden of the law is lifted, but the light it gives is still there and a blessing. I don’t keep Torah personally, not to the extent that some do, but I am growing into it. Each step into the light of the law reveals the awesomeness of the salvation my Savior Jesus has purchased for me. I get to do this because I have the freedom to do it without fear of failure. 😊
Well said!
My feelings exactly. I love keeping Sabbath, celebrating the Holy Days, Passover, etc… to the best of my knowledge. My Savior was/is a Jew and He did all these and I want to know Him more so I study and do because I can! And it is so refreshing and lovely!
A very resounding amen!
If you read the book of Hebrew, you will understand that Jesus kept those festivals only because he was completing the old covenant and replacing it with the new Covenant, which is the provision of the sacrificial Lamb of God, Jesus that would Take away the sins of the world. Jesus was also Transferring the Priesthood from the Order Aaron and Levi to Himself, in the Order of Melchizedek, after a Different tribe and which is Better and Superior to that Old System of Worship. That is why Hebrews Chapter 8 says it was Obsolete ( Abrogated) waxing old and Vanishing away.
The complete vanishing away happened in 70AD when the Roman General Titus destroyed the Temple and the Jews were dispersed.
The Old covenant Dispensation of Worship under the Old Covenant was Now replaced through the Holy Spirit in the New Covenant. Now we have Direct Access to God the Father, through the True, one and Only Mediator, Jesus Christ.
All of those Old Testament Festivals, and Required all of those purification rituals, kosher laws and Animal sacrifices to be made, and only pertained to the Nation of Israel, not the Entire Gentile world, because they were to be a Set apart People and an Holy Nation. The Gentiles were considered “Strangers and Aliens” to that covenant, without God, but The Torah fortold in the promise made to Abraham in Genesis Ch 22 and in Gen Ch 17:15-22 that Through thy Seed( Issac, Ultimately Jesus) all nations would be blessed.
When Jesus came, he was born under a woman, born under the Law, in order to Fulfill Gods Righteous standard as he told John the Baptist when He said, “Let it be so for now to fulfill all righteousness, so That is why Jesus was keeping Torah, because until he instituted the new Covenant in his blood, the old covenant dispensation was still in effect. After he died and Rose again, however, the transition to the New Covenant as was prophesied in the Pages of the old was then fulfilled and completed. To go back to the old covenant dispensation now, is to reject Christs finished work and to Go about to establish your own righteousness under an antiquated law and That is Impossible for man to keep and to Say they are keeping Torah is utter Hypocrisy, because, no man can keep the Torah, or the Festivals because those Festivals Require the Aaronic Priesthood and All of the Sacrifices as well as a temple. So, I hope all who believe they are still required to keep the Old covenant will Look to Christ in the New. God bless!
@@heidiranger6106 Thank you. I enjoyed reading this. In my mind, this all sounds great and convincing. The only thing that I can't help but go back to - is scripture. And this is where I get convicted. I just can't imagine that Hashem would make such bold and exact statements, and then later (New Testament) have us assume he made an error. For example, scriptures like Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute FOREVER unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you; And Lev 23:31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. Duet 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments ALWAYS, that it might be well with them, and with their children FOREVER! Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. What did Yashua "fulfill"? He fulfilled the death part of breaking a commandment.
And there are many more. And in Revelation - we are going to celebrate the Holy Days and the Sabbath, soo.... why wouldn't we get into practice now? And as for these things being only for the Jewish people - no, we are grafted in. We are not "gentiles" as a non-believer is a gentile. Have you ever seen something being grafted in? Why would we be grafted in, but not be under the same as the Jewish people? If the rules (for lack of a better word) are different - then we are NOT actually grafted in. We would be bystanders or onlookers. I am curious of your response- sincerely. I want to learn.
I still don't know exactly what Hebrew Roots is. But I was a christian and found in my study that Torah matters. Dove into Judaism, but found that so much was added in the laws as opposed to what the Tanach actually commanded. Came back in strength to being a follower of Yeshua and now also observing Torah as it is written not in Rabbinic oral laws. I guess I like to call it Messianic Torahism. All this being said, in regard to this video where is Torah does it command to be circumsize if you convert to becoming a follower of Yah? All I see in Torah is to circumsize your 8 day old male son not circumsize when you convert. This would make sense why Paul says you don't have to circumsize as this is added rabbinical teaching not actual Torah.
And this is why people are trying to reject Paul the Apostle in the HRM. Thanks brother Rob!
Context is key to understand all theses verses you have cherry picked.
Context is key, indeed, William!
Such as Acts 15
But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Acts 15:1 ESV
You say in your video Paul was part of the decision made in Acts 15 that gentiles did not need to be circumcised but in the next chapter we see him circumcise a gentile.
Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
Acts 16:3 ESV
Justification is and always has been by faith not by works just as Abraham was saved before his circumcision because he had faith in Yahweh's words. Paul continually rails against the house of shammia teaching that circumcision had to take place to be saved even in Galatians the context is clear. Paul being from the house of helliel of course would be against shammia's teachings.
So context is key not just of the scriptures but also their mind set we should stop trying to impose our culture thoughts and way of life into the text.
@@williamrevis3976The verse you quoted in ch.16 literally explains why he circumcised him, not because he had to or because it was required any longer but rather..."because of the Jews who were in those parts..." clearly supporting the view counter to your own.
@@truthministries-us8or once again context is Timothy a new believer which is who is being discussed in chapter 15 no Paul speaks of the belief he was brought up with thru the example of his Jewish mother and grandmother. So just like the example set forth with Abraham we see the same thing being done to Timothy.
Paul also knew for them to go into the synagogue he needed to be. Paul never backed down from the circumcision party in any way but according to you he did in Acts 16 context is key
@@williamrevis3976 Do you keep the Entire Law of Moses?
What about the 10 commandments, and the holy feast?
Hi, Norbert! Christians are not required to keep the ceremonial Mosaic laws. They can if they want, because those things were not prohibited. But they are not _required_ to. But, of course, God's moral laws have been in effect since long before the Law of Moses was given, and they will remain in effect forever. Because the moral laws are based in God's unchanging moral perfection. The ceremonial Mosaic laws, on the other hand, were only given to ancient Israel, and only for a period of time (Gal 3:24-25).
Blessings, Rob
1 Corinthians 7:19 Paul says circumcision is nothing and uncircumsion is nothing but keeping the commandments of God is what matters
So what does it mean when it says women be silent in the church as the law says ? Which law is it referring to. I haven’t found a law that said it in the old covenant
Hi Sandra. Here's what the _Faithlife Study Bible_ has to say about that verse:
*14:34** women must be silent* If this functions as a rule for all churches in Paul’s time, then Paul is forbidding women from speaking in church, especially during worship, and is likely doing so for reasons specific to his first-century Graeco-Roman context. However, Paul may be addressing a particular problem among the Corinthian congregation (or possibly all churches in the first century AD). In this case, Paul’s prohibition may apply specifically to women who were speaking in tongues or uttering prophesies in an inappropriate manner. Alternatively, he may be addressing women who were disrupting worship services with questions and thereby challenging the authority of their husbands. Ultimately, Paul’s goal in the passage is to reestablish order in worship, not to demean the honor of women or devalue their worship of God.
*they must be in submission* Paul is likely making this statement either because some of the women in the congregation were causing strife, or perhaps because women were the center of local folk religion (often called mystery cults) and thus following Jesus was being confused with other religions. Paul discusses the role of women in Corinthian worship in more detail earlier (11:2-16).
*just as the law also says* While Paul refers to the Law and quotes it elsewhere (see 1 Cor 9:8; 14:21), this is not a quotation nor does it match the content of any OT law. It may refer to Gen 2:18-24, in which God created Adam first and Eve second. It is also possible that this refers to Gen 3:16, where God pronounces that the woman shall desire her husband.
Torah is the direct command of God. Corinthians is a letter written by a follower of Jesus. Who you going to listen to?
Still supposed to follow the Ten Commandments
What I have to say to you is this the grass withers and the flowers fall but the word of our God willing endure forever 🙏 Amen
Lawlessness ...... This video is scripturally not divided right ..... May Yah open your eyes
New sub - we have love ones caught in the Hebrew Roots cult
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What do you think of a Christian learning Hebrew
I am 100% in support of Christians learning both Hebrew and Greek!
Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm glad, cause I consider it a blessing
It will get you one step closer to learning the Truth in scriptures,
You'll be best learnt if you start with the Paleo before Modern Hebrew.
Secret to not being deceived is pay attention to what Jesus said what did Jesus teach what did Jesus say Jesus Christ said if you keep my word you are my disciple indeed what is Jesus Christ's word the Torah. Jesus Christ was the word of God in flesh John 1:14 revelation 19 13 when he come back his name is the word of God. Jesus said John 8:29 everything I do is to please the father he showed us what to do we ought to do what he did Paul says we are to have the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2:16 he also said we ought to be imitators of God Ephesians 5:1. Luke 6:40 says the disciple will be just like the master. Master Luke 4:16 kept the Sabbath. John 7:37 38 the master kept the feast day
God does not contradict Himself. Jesus kept all of these things to fulfill all righteousness for us. He obeyed God’s law perfectly in our place and fulfilled its requirements
@@doolyskating that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard Jesus kept the law so we don't have to
@@irvinelijah8678 if I’m hearing you correctly then the Gospel is a stumbling block to you my friend. It makes perfect sense, Just as Jesus died and paid for sin in our place so we don’t have to? He also fulfilled the law in our place so we don’t have to. That’s why it is called good news. Christ has done it all.
Whoever desires to be justified by the law has fallen from grace (Galatians 5), that is why eternal life must be received as a free gift (Rom 6) through faith, apart from works of the law (Eph 2, Phil 3, Rom 10, etc etc.) It’s either perfect personal perpetual adherence to God’s perfect law (impossible for man) or trust in the perfect work of Christ in our place (life, death, resurrection fulfilling all righteousness). There is no in between.
Of course we want to keep Christ’s commandments as a response of love and gratitude for His salvation. But our works have nothing to do with eternal life, His works are the only works that are perfect in all ways and therefore acceptable to God. Our righteousness apart from Him is like filthy rags. If you believe your works will be acceptable before God on their own you are going to be condemned by them. Please receive the free gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus, He has accomplished all that is needed! Whoever believes in Him (not the law, HIM) has eternal life and is perfect in God’s sight. Let me know if you want to discuss further 👍🏼
Imputation of His righteousness through faith is our whole and only hope. Hopefully we agree and I’m just rambling haha
If any of you want Truth you have to search for it, Christ is the Truth, the Torah is the Truth, he or she who does the will of the Father shall be saved 💯❤️📖🗡
@@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” - John 6:40
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” - John 6:29
The work of the law is completed in Christ 👍🏼
The acts 15 debate was all about circumcision for SALVATION. Gentile nor jews don't need to be circumcised to be saved not in the first century or ever before that time. From Adam, Noah, Abraham, Peter and all the righteous men we read about, not one of them were saved because of circumcision or by keeping any other commandment written in the entire scripture. Every one is saved in the same way, David, Abraham, Noah, Paul and myself are saved by Grace through faith in Messiah. If acts 15 means that it is not nessary for Gentile to keep the Torah, why then give the Gentile commandment from the Torah to keep.
Acts 15:20-21
[20]but that we write to them to abstain FROM THINGS POLLUTED BY IDOLS, FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY, FROM THINGS STRANGLED, and FROM BLOOD.
[21]For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
All these 4 things are directly from the Torah of God and 3 of them are food laws. So it still matters what Gentiles eat and drink. Can I drink blood? Can I eat things sacrifice to idols? If what I eat and drink doesn't matter I should be able to eat things sacrifices to idols and drink blood without it being transgression of the law( TORAH)
Yet Paul circumcised Timothy
Yet He did not circumcise Titus (Gal 2:3)
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Exactly. And this is what Hebrew Roots Torah Keeping is all about. Gentiles pushed other Gentiles by attacking them to follow the Torah, placing them under bondage again rather than following the Lord Jesus Christ. The bizarre thing is Torah Keepers don't even keep the Torah. Thank you Rob.
@@BibleStudyCompany explain how Torah keepers don't keep the Torah
@@eagleclan75 my writings on here are well documented. But I would love for you to share how one keeps Torah. Let’s start with these questions first: if Torah means instruction then Torah has 613 laws called Hebrew imperatives but 247 are not able to be used because of the temple being destroyed and there are no priests to conduct sacrifice’s how does one keep Torah? Even Orthodox jews say one cannot keep Torah. So how would you? I have had people share with me Torah groups who do sacrifice goats and lambs in total blasphemy of Christ sacrifice. So do Torah Keepers not believe that Jesus Christ was the same God on mt Sinai as the God Who died for us? It appears many torah keepers do not believe Jesus is God in that way as they follow Moses not Christ at Christ’s command to follow Him. That is a greek imperative a command. Christ is very One that gave Mose the commands! Most Torah keepers follow Judaism which is not biblical. Jesus said to follow Him. Most torah keepers do not share the Gospel of Christ as salvation but instead twist Scripture to get unsuspecting women and men who do not know how to properly study the Bible twisted into knots to follow Moses and doubt and hate Christianity. Yet they do what rote religion does and follow rules in Judaism that Paul rebuked the unsaved Jews for doing to the Torah by works not by faith. Romans 9:30-ff. That is their Gospel. Therefore Jesus and the Apostles gave us 1642 new Greek imperative called the law/instructions (torah of Christ if you will) but Torah keepers reject these as if Christ and the apostles didn’t matter. If the new temple is built before the tribulation will you go to the sacrifices of animals? That is mosaic Torah. Isaiah 66:1-6 has harsh words for the Jews who restart temple sacrifices because of the sacrifice of Christ. This is what Torah Keepers do. Christ fulfilled the Torah by paying our sin debt on the cursed tree. Because He was God Almighty acting as the second Adam He paid for adam and Eves sin and because He was God almighty He paid for our sin fulfilling Torah. He came as prophesied so fulfilled the prophets. He did not abolish anything. He fulfilled it and made us one new man in Christ. Pls do not twist words to say I do not believe in keeping Torah. I believe Christ did for me. That is faith.
@@BibleStudyCompany you say Torah keepers follow the laws of Moses? You mean God's laws.
The laws that Moses wrote down are the laws that he copied directly from Jesus.
Yes there are false Hebrew Roots followers and teachers but how dare you say I don't follow Jesus. I'm not angry.
don't judge anyone for getting cut. People have different reasons ;)
Perfectly said. 👍🏼👍🏼
You are using inaccurate word translations to support your view. They were teaching you had to circumcise before you received teaching. You need to read what Paul said.
Well the circumcision according to the torah is commanded to be done by everyone coming from the flesh of Abraham or those who have been bought into a family of Abrahamites through money. We are bought through blood (of Jesus). Therefore to keep the torah only the ones mentioned above need to circumcise themselves.
As it is stated „Being circumcised is nothing, and not being circumcised is nothing, but keeping the commandments is“
This man is very smart in the way he twists the word to fit the dispensational movement.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
[13]For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[14]And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[15]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Hello, SOTE! I thought it might be helpful for you to know that I'm not a dispensationalist.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots you may be able to fool a multitude of people but I've seen enough of your videos to know what I'm talking about. I actually never said you're a dispensationalist, you do however fit the narrative. You discredit brothers who teach others to walk in obedience to YHWH with some of the weakest excuses I've ever heard. "They don't use popular translations", "they don't say their last names", "you have to be circumcised at 8 days or else don't do it", the book of Galatians... When you put a difference between how a "christian" follows YHWH and Jews follow Him, that's called dispensationalism. I think it might be helpful for you to know that it's never too late to stop this foolishness and repent from speaking against walking in covenant. Your videos are made for babes in the faith who are looking to find excuses to not follow what YHWH is putting on their hearts. I can keep going on and on but I'm sure you've heard all of this before. I've spoken to plenty of men like yourself who are planted firmly on wanting to steer people away from the truth. I pray you repent.
Thank you for this video
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deuteronomy 10:16
Following Jesus is Following Torah .
Jesus/Yeshua teaches how to follow it properly. Much of the older teastement was done outwardly foreshadowing what will be done inwardly.
Torah is obedience, Torah is perfect like stated in psalms (when done properly)
Unfortunately many Christians read through westernized mindset which is not only wrong context , but as well as through the eyes of wrong Era...
People twist Paul to their own distruction.
All scripture is for teaching, rebuking, correcting etc.
Scripture does not contradict itself, if something doesn't make sense its because we're leaning on one's own interpretation.
God's Law is not for jews only ... It's for His people .
Many like to say Christ broke sabbath and or any Torah commands which is false however He did break the extended rules that were placed around God's rules which are found in talmud . Those rules were placed by pharisees so they didn't break God's law but Pride took over and they started holding their extended laws above God's which Jesus came to set straight.
Example is when they got mad about hand washing
But not the law of Moses, under the new covenant we are only under the law of Christ.
would you debate the girl from biblical apologetics? I think she's wise but its sad she's Hebrew roots
Hey, TS. I'm not sure who you're referring to?
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots
here is her UA-cam brother she's very wise and debates rabbies well, but she submitted to Hebrew roots which means works based salvation as well as believing trinity is not essential, would love to see you debate or encourage her in the truth
youtube.com/@BiblicalApologetics
Except Jesus and his apostles and followers kept Torah themselves. And apparently we shall know them by their works .
Yea I hear you but I can find allot of verses saying they and we should keep Torah and like 2 saying we might not have to
If anyone of you really want Truth you have to search for it, advice dont go to church, they have some of the truth, but half the truth is still a lie 💯📖 facts are that the Torah is part of the new covenant, look up Jeremiah 31:33 in the Hebrew, book of Hebrews quotes that very scripture, Messiah himself said heaven and earth would pass before anything perished from the Torah Mathew 5:17-20, Messiah kept the Torah perfectly and said follow Me i have laid before you the perfect example, sadly people want to take away from the Father's perfect Torah, dont fall for it, NO ONE has the authority to do so , not even the Son that's why he said I do nothing of myself, of course we don't keep the Torah to earn salvation, it is the Father's instructions and will for our lives, we can only be justified through the Blood of Messiah Yeshua , but do we continue in sin that grace may abound GOD FORBID Romans 6:1-2, do we make void the Torah through faith GOD FORBID we ESTABLISH the Torah Romans 3:31, the whole point of the Torah is to point out sin, if you get rid of it we no longer are aware of these sins the Torah points out, may YAH bless you all 🙏💯♥️☝️📖
it seems Paul had a rough time getting serious male converts and was mostly surrounded by women. I'm so shocked he changed.. er God changed his mind on the snip
Your comments are always a favorite, T.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I actually spent alot of time thinking about the snip before my 3rd son was born. Something I noticed is that the same people who would call me cruel or barbaric for this arr also the people championing "gender affirmation care"
The snip actually has ramifications. It isn't just "a sign" of a covenant or a health measure. According to doctors it reduces sensitivity. This can change the way you do things or alter your decision entirely
I’ve been trying to follow the laws even tho I don’t have to trying to see if it can make life better
You will!
He points out 1 Cor 7:18 here, but you might want to look at verse 19 as well.
You absolutely shouldn't be trying to keep the law of Moses. That's 100% impossible without a temple. That's why Jesus destroyed their temple in 70 a.d.
The only law a Christian is required to keep is the law of Christ. Which is the commandments Jesus gave us in the new covenant. That includes the 10 commandments from the old covenant.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha then why did Jesus say he didn’t come to destroy the law but to fulfill it ?
@@ale3453 who said the law was destroyed? Last time I checked the law is still written in every Bible under the sun.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha wow I’m wasting my time
. Circumcion of the heart . To live according to the Torah-striving to be obedient to the Fathers commandments. All of them. They become a lifestyle and really betters you as a person by honouring your parents, not lying or stealing and loving your Creator .
If any of you want Truth you have to search for it, Christ is the Truth, the Torah is the Truth, he or she who does the will of the Father shall be saved 💯❤️📖🗡
FYI. Fun Fact!
Messiah, the Torah & the Temple
Are described of being the Truth,
The Way,
The Life!
Yups, the Way is the entry to the Temple, the Truth is where they Sacrified, the Live was the inner most chamber with the Ark and the Comandments on full display!
Another fun fact. The lamp stand burning Oil was the Light needed to find your WAY...
Very Awsume,
@@6969smurfy amen 💯❤️📖⚔️
I'm curious to see when the christians will use the words of Jesus to prove their points instead of twisting Paul's words. Who do the christians follow anyway Jesus or Paul? Strange.
Hello, Zachariah. I would have used the words of Jesus except He never commanded us to keep the Mosaic ritual of circumcision! I'm curious, is it your position that the words of Paul contradict what Jesus taught?
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots 53 times in the first testament we're told to "guard the commandments". When Jesus was asked "how do we become saved" his response was " you know the commandments". Then in revelation 14:12 the sanctified ones are those who "guard the commandments" and have the testimony of Yahusha/Jesus. The scriptures are very consistent.
As far as Paul is concerned for the most part I think his words are misunderstood, and if I do find myself in a place where I "believe" his words disagree with Jesus' words then I side with Jesus everytime. When Jesus said many will be told to depart bc he doesn't know them bc they are LAWLESS, I believe him.
@@zachariahz9832yes. A majority of what paul teaches is confusing and thats why christians will use paul and not Jesus.
Paul has a lot of simple good teachings but mixes with bad. (Like eating meat sacrificed to an idol)
Ill take Jesus over paul.
Also, Yeshua is alive right now so i can ask him myself , in real time, and the Father.
”whoever has the son has the Father also”
I cant talk to Paul.
It's so goofy because Paul quotes something from Isaiah and actually finishes the sentence. Here is the Isaiah quote "No eye hath seen, no ear hath heard what God hath prepared for them"
Now this is Pauls writings "no eye hath seen, no ear hat heard what God hath prepared for them { that love him but he hath revealed them unto us by HIS SPIRIT} ".
I mean that makes sense. Because the Spirit of truth will reveal the truth of God.
But when we say an idol is nothing well that's letting "one of these little ones to stumble"
A stone is a stone and wood is wood but once someone eats off it and worships it that no longer becomes and object. What motivates them to be drawn to an idol or to eat off it? is it a demon that is drawing them to it.?
Do spiritual demon reside by the idol as well as the person who has a demon is allowing themselves to be drawn towards it? "the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked"
But we should not be in an idols temple "little children keep yourselves from idols"
🙏🏻
Well every word of Jesus recorded in the bible can be referenced back to old testament
Wow so if you’re circumcised then Jesus didn’t die for you.
No . Paul is saying if you are called. This is something u do when ur ready. Remember abraham didnt get circumcised till 99. 20 yrs later .
Remember there were many pharisees telling people they need to be circumcised first, or they cant be saved. (Galations, and acts 15:1).
Paul is in no way against teaching the law. See acts 21.
Infact, he commands you to keep the law (rom 2:13, rom 3:31)
What u just did was made conclusions without context.
Hope this helps
Amen!
You don’t have to keep it tho that’s the point
@@dahokage1043 its an eternal command. Scripture tells us to keep it. Acts 21 and paul tells is to keep it too
@@indo3052 Acts 21 doesn’t help your case
This problem got solved in acts 15 you don’t have to get circumcised it seem good to them and THE HOLY SPRIT(aka god)
@@dahokage1043 no. The context of acts 15 is in verse 1. Pharisees were teaching you must get snipped first when coming into the faith. Circumcision isn’t something u had to do first.
Acts 21 does prove my case. Act 21:19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law,
Act 21:21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.
Act 21:22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come.
Act 21:23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;
Act 21:24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.
Act 21:25 But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”
Act 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself along with them and went into the temple, giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled and the offering presented for each one of them.
Paul goes n does a nazerite vow to prove hes not teaching against the law or circumcision . He does this to prove the accusations arent true.
Hope this helps brother or sister
Unto the circumcision.
1) It is a sign of the Abraham covenant. Because it is what is within that which is revealed. Also as a sign as a token of the covenant that we are part of Abrahams seed.
2) in the “New Testament” many converts were joining a “Jewish” faith where circumcision had become a religious act; also a right of passage.
Many of the ones that were coming to faith were uncircumcised. And this brought many to the “Law” of (rabbinical) traditions. Because the Pharisees could not see faith over tradition.
Also, if the guy kept reading in acts, he would have seen that these things were just the starting point of the ones coming to Faith, a starting point, newbees. They were still coming to synagogue every sabbath (Saturday) to hear the Law. You have to come the the Fire (Ruach Hacodesh) and let Him know where you walk and grow.
The cut of the flesh does not transform one, however it is a sign of what can be transformed.
3) Christ (Yeshua HaMashea) is the gatekeeper. He decides who comes and goes. This is the Law of circumcision, however He lays the Sword of condemnation.
Shalom
Ehh no because the Antioch church had elders in it
“Required”… as a child when you are young not much is expected of you by your father. As you grow more responsibility is added. Acts 15 is discussing new believers. The church does the same thing today. If a prostitute comes into the church and says I believe in Christ what should I do next? Does church say, “nothing! Just keep living the same way!” No…. They say well let’s start by finding you a new profession and continue your spiritual growth. In acts 15 how could new believers keep the whole Torah when they had never studied it nor been taught it. Vs 21 is key to understanding the whole chapter.
In regards to circumcision also not a salvation issue but is none the less still a command. The difference is circumcision because you want to be obedient or circumcision to be saved. Acts 15 says the pharisees were saying gentiles must be circumcised and keep the law TO BE SAVED.
We need to read the text carefully and stop trying to one up each other. There needs to be unity in the body of christ especially as we enter get closer to the return of Christ.
Rev 12:17
The command of circumcision in Lev 12:3 simply is a continuation of the command given of Abraham’s covenant to the 👉🏻 ethnic Hebrews.👈🏻 It is the sign of the covenants never a sign for how someone gets saved (which is what Paul is actually dealing with. He is dealing with traditions of men (Halacha) and not the Torah).
Avraham was saved by faith and not circumcision (This is the pattern of salvation in all covenants). This command still stands today for not all the -Avrahamic covenant has been fulfilled. All ethnic Hebrews are required to still circumcise their children. According to you Paul now abolished that command and considered it rubbish?
Paul isn’t requiring circumcision for the gentiles because others have made it a salvation issue by way of man made traditions (oral law) and 👉🏻NOT 👈🏻 Torah. They are claiming ethnic superiority for salvation. They have made ethnic identity a salvation issue. Paul is stating he doesn’t count his circumcision as requirement for salvation. Paul is saying it’s not circumcision plus Yeshua for salvation. This is why he claims his circumcision as rubbish. It’s only 👉🏻rubbish👈🏻 compare to the 👉🏻work of Yeshua. 👈🏻 The List in Phil 3 shows Paul as a perfect Jew compared to the converts to Judaism requiring circumcision for salvation and yet he doesn’t claim his ethnicity plus Yeshua for salvation. This doesn’t do away with the law of Moshe but puts it in its proper place as a requirement after salvation (i.e., entertaining the kingdom). Again, its only rubbish compared to the work of Yeshua. This doesn’t do away of the command of circumcision as you are suggesting.
No one has ever been circumcision for salvation. All who left Egypt received salvation and the mixed multitude was not required circumcision. All were required to follow the law of Moshe who attached themselves to Israel. Lev 12:3 is for ethnic born Hebrews to show the sign of Avrahamic covenant and wasn’t required of the 👉🏻ger 👈🏻 who attached themselves to Israel (Ex 12:37-38) and her covenants. There is no command in the law of Moshe that a 👉🏻ger 👈🏻 must be circumcised to dwell with Israel and be part of the covenants. This is why there is one law for the native as well as the foreigner (Exodus 12:49, Exodus 20:10, Exodus 22:20, Exodus 23:9, Leviticus 16:29, Leviticus 17:15, Leviticus 18:26, Leviticus 24:16, Leviticus 24:22, Numbers 15:13, Numbers 15:29, Numbers 15:30, Numbers 19:10, Numbers 35:15, Deuteronomy 1:16, Deuteronomy 29:10-14, Deuteronomy 31:12)
The Sinai covenant is not a salvation by works. It’s a salvations by grace both for the Israelites and mixed multitude (ger attaching themselves to Israel ). The Sinai covenant has always been part of the Avrahamic Covenant showing blessing to both the native and the foreigner for as Isaiah 56:1-10 and Yeshua said in Matt 21:13 and Mark 11:17 “it’s a House of Prayer for 👉🏻ALL👈🏻 nations.
Notice the prophetic verses of Deut 30:6-11 how YaH will circumcise the hearts of his people (i.e., done by the work of Yeshua in my opinion ) and they will keep the law of Moshe. Deut 29:14-15 shows Moshe is talking with both ethnic Israelites and gentiles who are welcome to be part of the covenant.
“You are standing today, all of you, before the Lord your God: the heads of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, all the men of Israel, your little ones, your wives, and the sojourner who is in your camp, from the one who chops your wood to the one who draws your water, so that you may enter into the sworn covenant of the Lord your God, which the Lord your God is making with you today, that he may establish you today as his people, and that he may be your God, as he promised you, and as he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. It is not with you alone that I am making this sworn covenant, but with whoever is standing here with us today before the Lord our God, and with whoever is not here with us today.”
Deuteronomy 29:10-15 ESV
“And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the pool heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. And the Lord your God will put all these curses on your foes and enemies who persecuted you. And you shall again obey the voice of the Lord and keep all his commandments that I command you today. The Lord your God will make you abundantly prosperous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your womb and in the fruit of your cattle and in the fruit of your ground. For the Lord will again take delight in prospering you, as he took delight in your fathers, when you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”
Deuteronomy 30:6-10 ESV
“Thus says the Lord: "Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my righteousness be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, "The Lord will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." For thus says the Lord: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. "And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant- these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, declares, "I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered."”
Isaiah 56:1-8 ESV
NONE of the commands of the law of Moses were a matter of salvation, Tony. And while circumcision was required under the law of Moses, it is not under Jesus. Blessings, Rob.
John the Baptist was the end of the Old Covenant. He called for the people to repent, wash themselves and prepare for the Kingdom of Grace the Messiah was bringing in:
(Matt 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
(Matt 3:2) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
I wonder when the temple is built are you going to continue the sacrifices of the ceremonial laws? They are required in the Torah but that would be totally contradictory with the book of Hebrews. There are so many contradictions with the Hebrew roots movement.
Shalom and blessings
There is no contradictions. It’s a matter of understanding covenants and how they operate. The offerings point us to Yeshua. They were and are still a shadow pointing to the reality. Both the Sinai and New covenant are operating side by side right now and will in the future. Matt 5:17-19 still stands. Not all has been fulfilled spoken of Yeshua within the Torah and the prophets. Yeshua is returning to fulfill the rest and there will be offerings going on when he returns (Deut 30:1-11, Jer 33:14-26, Ez 36:22-36, Zechariah 14:21-23, Isaiah 2:1-4 and more )
There is nothing wrong with the book of Hebrews, just many Christian’s interpretations for they contradict the TaNaK. This is why it’s easy to refute Solbergs claims.
@@TheBiblicalRoots It's not the Law of Moses. It's the Law of God.
Jesus Christ ia alive.
Amen brother***
If you know the law then you know it is for everyone who seeks to follow יהוה. If you know the law u will not misinterpret the words of Paul. Heart is first, flesh would come later as they grew in their faith. The Torah and prophets was not done away with (mat 5:17). Depart from me workers of law (torah)-less-ness! Do not be deceived into disobedience! Seek scripture.
the issue there is salvation. not obedience to the torah
It is still vigent and I’m Catholic. Torah is forever so we are not at cursed.
Why is your whole channel about hating on the torah it literally means instruction. What's so wrong with instructions, given by god.
Hi, Austin! Our channel is in 100% support of the Torah. Here's a 60-second video explaining our position: ua-cam.com/users/shortsp_gI9z79GAA?feature=share
What this channel fights against is _Torahism,_ which is the unbiblical misapplication of the laws of God. I receive dozens of messages every week from people whose marriages, families, churches, and communities are being damaged by Hebrew Roots teachings. For those who want to keep Saturday sabbath, eat kosher, and keep the Torah feast, I see no problem! They are free to do those things. The problem happens when they start demanding that other people do the same thing as well. When they accuse their wife, husband, neighbor, relative, or pastor of living in sin and rebellion against God because they eat pork or work on Saturday or celebrate Christmas, people get confused, hurt, and frustrated.
These are the people I am trying to help. This is why I spent so much time and effort on this. Christians are not required to do those things; not as a matter of salvation or righteousness. There is not one thing we can do-no feast or diet or special day-that can add a single thing to the righteousness that is ours through faith in Christ. Torahism is a false theology that causes division in the Bride of Christ and shifts our focus away from Jesus and toward Moses. That is what I am fighting against.
Blessings, Rob
They despise even thinking about the law and teachings is because of what the prophet Jeremiah said
“And the Lord said , because they have forsaken my law which i have set before them, and have not obeyed my voice walked therein; but have walked after the imagination of their own heart and after baalam, which there fathers(pastors) taught them: therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel; behold i will feed them, even this people with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink”. Jeremiah 9:13-15
Pro 13:19 The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil.
It a HEART MATTER To you Peoples of Manned Religions....
As wittnessed over and Orver again:
1 tim 1:5
Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith,
Duet 30 10
if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL.
Proverbs 3 3
Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART.
2 cor 3 3
And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
Jer 31 33
But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael.
Hebrews 10 16
This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.”
Daniel 7 28
Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART
Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART,
Isaiah 56 6-7
And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT -
these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.”
~Now you.can understand~
Jeremiah 17-5
Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD.
Rev 12-17 00
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ”
Rev 14 12
Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus
Rev 22 14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES.
ECC 12 13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
Act 16:3 Paul cut Tim, Act 21:21-24 James and Paul...so was Christ of no effect to Tim ..?and I thought everyone one was same no Jew or geek
Hello Estill! Under the New Covenant, circumcision is permitted, but it's not required. There's nothing wrong with being circumcised, but it doesn't add anything to our righteousness, and it's not a requirement of obedience. Under the Law of Moses, on the other hand, circumcision was not an option: it was a command Israel was required to keep.
Also, when the Bible says "there is no more Jew and Greek" (Gal 3:28), it is not speaking about ethnicity. Just like when that same verse says "there is no male and female" it's not talking about gender. The removal of the distinction between Jew and Gentile taught in the New Testament refers to salvation and being members of God's family.
Blessings, Rob
I am the author of the book "The Gospel: Raw Uncut & UNHEARD! THIS is the book that Vocab Malone introduced to you. I'm awaiting dialoguing with both of you together
Moses is saved by grace through faith in Messiah, not by any other way can man be saved no matter when they were alive.
This simple truth debunks the dispensational presuppositions on "being saved differently in the OT"
Moses is saved the same way as us "through faith" and was taught the law so that sin could be revealed. Law is kept not to be saved but rather kept to avoid walking in sin. Yeshua saves us from transgressions, which is breaking the law. Now that we are saved, we do not deliberately walk in sin as that would be the equivalent as spitting in our Messiahs face. Messiah taught to believe in him and repent, not believe in him and continue sin or choose what laws you want to keep.
My brother you have misunderstood stood. In Acts there are the 4 minimum practices for a gentile to abstain from. “THEN” they can go to synagogue and learn…. Learn what exactly at Synagogue? The New Testament? A new religion? Circumcision isn’t required to get salvation, no. Circumcision is a requirement when the knowledge of the truth sets in. This is the working out our salvation in this sanctification process, with fear and trembling. Circumcision is required, absolutely. What I would be more concerned with if I were, you is teaching against the laws of God and positioning yourself as least in the kingdom of heaven. Shabbat Shalom
Hi, Joe! The text doesn't teach that "they will go to synagogue and learn." It says, "For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.” (Acts 15:21). And we know that followers of Jesus won't be going to the synagogues to learn because Jesus said to His followers, "They will put you out of the synagogues" (John 16:2).
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots act 15 19
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God..
"At what Piont does this Say NEVER do TORAH"
It clearly states it as.to not.make it difficult to NEW recruits.. then it says "do" these first 4 TORAH instruction. Then 21 tells you to learn "the writtings of Moses AS they have in the Synagogues since Anchant Times!
"For from ancient generations [the writing of] Moses has been preached in every city, since he is read aloud in the synagogues every Sabbath."
Sorry Rob but you teach this acts15 upside down.
"He who accepts circumcision has become a debtor to keep the whole of the law"
"He who keeps the whole law yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of all"
"There is none righteous, no not one"
No. You dont keep Torah. At best you are guilty of all.
This is the logical consequence.
Amen! Great Comment and So TRUE!
Lawlessness for all!!! Don’t keep it! You’re falling from grace! Do as you please! This is good news!
Interesting how Someone, just now, was able to hack into my phone and erase my comments?
Whoever you are, I watched you erase my entire comment! You must feel Threatened by the Name Above all names! The Name of Jesus!Interesting, Is the Name of Jesus a fearful topic?
@@timw6110 audience, please note how this mans reply completely avoided the actual argument, and employed emotional tactics and non sequitur reasoning.
@@theomegawerty9688 you’re Right! He’s must be one of Satan’s Judaising Cult trolls! 🤣🤣🤣
They are talking about circumcision for salvation instead of faith in Yeshua. Big difference bud. Also in acts they didn't say it wasn't necessary but instead told them what laws to focus on first because some laws are more important to learn first like to stay away from paganism basically...it says focus on the 4 laws first and you will learn the rest of the Torah at the synagogue on Sabbath. Its not required for salvation but yet not done away with...the more YOU know
Thanks, Kelly! Where in the text of Acts 15 does it suggest that those four restrictions were just the first step and later they would learn the rest of the Torah?
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
Also it states that this was a discussion...something that they agree on. It dosnt say that it was done away with but that to keep all of the Torah is too hard for a new believer..even the Jewish had much time to learn it as they grew up with it. Unlike the new believing gentiles
@@kelleymeyers8387 Thanks, Kelley! I thought that's what you might say. Were the Gentiles expected to eventually learn and keep the entire law? The text doesn’t say that explicitly. It’s ambiguous on that point. So is there a larger biblical precedent or theological reason we might expect that to be true? Actually, no. That's not what v21 is teaching. Here's a video I made that explains it in more detail: ua-cam.com/video/e7q892CiklY/v-deo.html.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots they preach the Torah throughout the New Testament. And emply that it isn't going away.. I believe in my study that we are under the melchizedek priesthood and not levitical but that dosnt do away with the law only the sacrificial and temple rituals. Even the two greatest commandments aren't listed as the 10 but they are a commandments listed in the Torah. I appreciate your videos as I'm open to the idea of correction. I have seen many of your videos in error or lack of understanding of the Torah community beliefs however. Not all but some. I see far too many scriptures to back up this verse in question. You are also impressing your theology into this verse where it doesn't belong. I'll watch your video at some point although I doubt I will agree, but i do appreciate your kindness in our differences. Yah bless you and I wish you and your followers all the best 🤍🕊🕯
@@kelleymeyers8387 so you agree that the sacrifices have done away with? Those are no longer needed right, Jesus is the final sacrificial lamb of God, correct?
In Matthew 5:18 Jesus said not one jot or title shall pass from the law UNTIL ALL is fulfilled.
So how did sacrifices (one jot) pass from the law without all being fulfilled?
Was Jesus lying in Luke 21:22?
Was Jesus lying in Luke 23:43?
Was Jesus lying in John 19:28-30? IT IS FINISHED, not partially.
How did only some parts get fulfilled without all being fulfilled? That makes no sense at all.
Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for 👉🏼 *HIS LAW* 👈🏼
Do you even know 👆🏼 what the law of Christ is? Can you even tell me 7 of them?
Jesus said if you love me keep MY commandments John 14:15.
That's how we KNOW him, is by keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS 1 John 2:3.
The love of God is that we keep Jesus's commandments 1 John 5:3.
Jesus commanded us to keep HIS commandments, to abide in his Love John 15:10.
True Christians keep the law of Christ and have faith in Jesus, Revelation 14:12.
Those who do Jesus's commandments will have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14.
Circumcision for an infant is a commandment for a sign of the covenant at 8 days old. It is the responsibility of the father. We should follow this for our children as a sign. However, there is not a commandment for adult circumcision. Messiah's circumcision made without hands is the one that matters. Once again, it is our Father's responsibility, and He does it without hands.
Amen. Circumcision is still law. It’s always been about the heart. Praise be to the spirit of truth to take this command . It’s the only way into the kingdom.
Show me the scriptures to support that for gentiles. Not old testament given to the Israelites.
@@danielzechariah7263 I'm not sure who you are addressing your question to? If it's me, then I would say that Gentiles are grafted into believing Israel. We are to keep God's commandments just as they did. The circumcision that matters is done by Messiah (without hands).
@@danielzechariah7263 coloss 2:11, rom 2:29, duet 10:12-17
@@timw6110 all these verses support the unnecessary nature of physical circumcising but how crucial it is that we circumcise our hearts!
No, no, no… Ok so who is the Word of God? On what two commandments does the Law stand? What is truth? Who is truth?
They tell us we must keep the Torah to be a true Christian, while simultaneously breaking the 9th commandment (bearing false witness) against Christians. It is impossible to perfectly keep The Torah, and the Bible says if you fail in one part of the law, you have broken all.
The idea is that when we break the Torah we now have grace. We can repent.
Angel Outstanding!
@@kelleymeyers8387 kelley can you explain?
@@BibleStudyCompany Torah keepers don't keep the Torah for salvation. That's a common misconception. They keep the Torah (that applies) because the Torah is Gods will. We keep His commandments because we love Hin not for salvation. If we mess up (sin) because we arnt perfect, we repent instead of sacrificing an animal. To not be under the law means under the penalty of the law (death) we are not under death. The Bible says that non of the law has been done away with. So when we as followers of Chris...when we keep the Biblical feast that are commanded and a sign that we are His, we celebrate them in there fulfillment that is Chris. Everything about the Torah leads to Yeshua (Jesus) all of the Torah has been written on our hearts, not done away with.
@@kelleymeyers8387 we are His when we believe in Christ Jesus as God and Messiah. 1cor 14:1-4 not keep Torah in our flesh. Eph chap 1-4. Btw i was around Torah Keepers quite a long time. There are a lot of hrm talking points in your post. Blessings
Ok Rob, here it is, One don't Circumcision Ones Dady bits when 1st finding YAH/God. By the Teachings of HIS 2nd born, only begotten Son YAHshua Humasheoc. Aka Jesus.
As the Jeriulisum Council states,in Acts 15 (read it ALL) Stop these 4 Torah requirements ASAP. Then you go on to learn Torah on the Sabbiths.
Torah reffered to as Fathers instructions for HIS people, should only be done from the HEART, showing Love and Respect to Father.
WITNESSES:
Jer 31 31-33
for more on who we are suppose to be!
Duet 30 10
if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Torah/Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your soul.
Proverbs 3 3
Let know loving commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Hebrews 10 16
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their minds.”
Jer 31 33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people
2 cor 3 3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS.
1 tim 1:5
Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
~Now you.can understand~
Rev 12-17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”
Rev 14 12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus
Rev 22 14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates.
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Isaiah 56 6-7
And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant-
these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
Yepp, makes no sense that God wants us to keep the whole "torah" when it is not even possible. But we are a family in Christ and should not argue about these things whether some wants to do what is possible or if some does not do it. Gods commands spoken by Jesus does matter for everybody. But if there are those saying you are not saved if u dont do all torah, this must of course be corrected.
So are you saying that Deut 30:11 is then not true?
@@reanmouton8413 God speaks of choosing life or death, walking in His way, listening to His voice, following His commandments. What is the Father's will if not for us to believe and listen to Jesus. Now, how do you get eternal life and who is the way to the Father? Who are we to listen to and whose words and commandments are we to remain in? Jesus says "remain in my words" and "If you keep my commandments you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love" Jesus was on a mission (the cross) and fulfilled the righteousness of the law so that we can now become righteous through faith in him and obey his commandments that he highlights. The word that is in your mouth is the word of confession and faith.
Peace
You’re right Mr P, he doesn’t. Jesus Just said to Follow him. He is the Word and he is Manifested in the heart of every true believer by his Holy Spirit and he will guide us into all truth, if you just pray and ask him. He will reveal it to us all if we are sinning against him and if you ask him if you are sinning and you don’t feel him rebuke you, then you must not be sinning.
I know if I do something wrong or if if I were to do something very bad, God’s voice will come to me loud and clear, but if I make my bed or wash the dishes or go grocery shopping on Saturday, no rebuke from God whatsoever! That is how you know when Man is imposing his own laws onto you! Jesus is the one who sheds light on sins through the Power of the Holy Spirit. God doesn’t need man’s assistance to illuminate our sins. If your heart condemns you, then you should listen, obey and Correct your behavior but if the only one who is rebuking you is man, then whatever you are doing is probably just a Manmade law. Always ask God to verify and if he doesn’t reveal to you that you are sinning then it’s not a sin, believe me, God speaks loud and clear when you are grieving the Holy Spirit. He has never rebuked me for not abstaining for work on a Friday Evening to Saturday Evening.❤️
Our pastor's sermon last Sunday was on Romans 14 especially about the issue Paul is addressing when it comes to food and celebrating Hebrew festivals. It's so weird that we Christians are still dealing with the same issues that Paul dealt with in the first churches. It's also interesting that he calls them "weak" in their faith so those of us who are "strong" should not judge them and create "stumbling blocks".
@@danielodor3822 With all due respect your pastor does not know what he or she is talking about if you look very closely at Romans 14 it's not speaking of holidays or eating clean or unclean it is speaking of fasting and it is speaking of vegetarian compared to someone who eats meat 💯❤️📖🗡
2 Believers in the YAH/God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob are walking into the city.
1 is circumcised and 1 is Not.
1 eats of the Swine, 1 does not.
1 Remenbers to keep the Sabbath Holy, 1 does Not.
1 celebrates the Feast Days.
1 does not
1 celibrates the Man made Holidays. 1.does.not.
Meanwhile.....
The Satan drives by, seeing these 3 Men walking down the Road into the city.
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They abandoned Jesus for Paul. Ironic.
You deaf kid , didn't you hear the Jerusalem Council which he said.
Just like Muhammad, Ummi at the finest .
This man is INCONCEIVABLE!
MATTHEW 5:19
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-19).
@@arinmurphy4242 it’s an idiom. Jesus accomplished all at Calvary. Jesus loathes pompous Pharisees.
we must obey the torah
Mathew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.(this was a common Hebrew idiom that says that I came to teach the law how it's meant to be teached, we find how the law is meant to be teached in the law)
18 For verily I say unto you, Till HEAVEN AND EARTH(not Jesus but heaven and earth) pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.(the Pharisees unlike what many think weren't obedient to the law and Yashua rebuked them for that,they teached the law but were hypocrites and didn't do what they taught Mathew 23 Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. 3 So obey everything they teach you, but don't do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.
Mathew 15
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Revalation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments(Torah)of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The commandments include the sacrificial laws.(thers nothing outside of Pauls epistles that suggests we shouldn't do the sacrificial laws)
A lot of this confusion comes from the false apostle Paul and his disciple Luke who was in opposition with the rest of the apostles
Galatians 2
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong.
12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them.
13 The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action.
14 When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?”(Paul said that Peter was living like a gentile because he was eating with Gentiles,but that was a false Jewish custom not a matter of the law)
Matthew 16
18 Jesus pronounced a blessing upon Peter and proclaimed Peter's answer as having been derived by divine inspiration. He then stated, “And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” .
Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus
- Ephesians 1:1
This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me.
-2Timothy 1:15
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
- Revelation 1:10,11
I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars.
- Revlations 2:2
Asia is where Ephesus was located! Ephesus rejected Paul and is being praised for testing 'those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars'.
AND IT DOES MATTER WHO THE JEWS ARE BECAUSE ALL PROPHECY IS BASED ON JEWS AND THERES PROPHECY THAT SAYS EBIONITES WILL OCCUPY ISRAEL AT THE END TIMES,SEE THE WAY BIBLICAL FELLOWSHIP VIDEO ON THAT
More proof of Paul being a false prophet,definitive proof:ua-cam.com/video/82C-oaPsjEo/v-deo.html
Who the real Israel is:watch truthunediteds understanding Israel series.
Hi, linin32! When you say "obey the Torah," what do you mean? Are you talking about obeying the Law of Moses? In other words, keeping Saturday Sabbath, the kosher diet, the annual feasts, circumcision, bringing our offerings to the priests, making annual blood sacrifices to atone for our sin, and (for those healed of skin disease) washing our clothes and shaving off all our hair and bathing in water before returning to the community of believers, and so on?
RLS
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You do not understand heart circumcision brother . If you would , the law would be written on your heart... You would not be fighting against what is good just and perfect.
He also forgot to talk about 1 Corinthians 7:19 when quoting Galatians 5:6 ... Complementary verse.
@@francisdeschamps1130 Good complimentary verses.
Dude. Context. You're also addressing hr when they're a separate issue. How do you love God? By keeping His commands and his commands are not burdensome. Also the ending was hilarious
Wow I pray these supposed torah keepers will enter into the rest of Jesus Christ. He is my sabbath. HALLELUYAH!!!
Sorry I am not hebrew root.
But we need to keep the Tanakh
Circumcision in the new covenant is from the heart.
All the laws are now written in flesh of the heart.
What is in the heart of believers?
The 10 commandments or the Holy Spirit?
Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezekiel 36:26-27
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
(Read entire chapter, describing language)
How do the contrasts in Gal. 4:21-31, Heb. 12:18-29 and 2 Cor. 3 affect the idea of the law written in our hearts being the Holy Spirit vs. the 10 commandments?
My suggestion-make a list. What are these passages saying?
Galatians 3:1-3
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(Begun in the Spirit)
(Read the contrasts in this chapter)
Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Isaiah 32:15
Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
Hebrews 8:8-10
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(v.8-Finding fault with them…I will make a new covenant…
v.9-NOT according to the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
v.10-For this covenant, I will put my laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts.)
NOT torah/10 commandments.
Hebrews 10:15-16
Whereof THE HOLY GHOST ALSO IiijS A WITNESS to us: for after that he had said before, [16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
He who turns his ear away from the Torah, even His prayer shall be an abomination!
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of truth will be defamed.
The sad but clear truth
@@That_one_introvert.The truth, the Way, The Life.
Discriptions of:
Messiah
Torah
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Amen!
Spoken like a true pompous Pharisee who Jesus loathes.
The whole of the 10 commandments are from God.
Keep reading Acts...it says bc gentiles can go to hear Moses each week in synagogue....they aren't eight days old ugh smh
Hello, TT! The problem with that theory is that we don't see Gentiles entering the synagogue to learn the law, and nowhere in the NT does it tell us that Gentile followers of Jesus ever should (or did) learn the entire law. In fact, Jesus specifically told His followers, “They will put you out of the synagogues” (John 16:2)! And that came true: History shows us that believers in Jesus were pushed out of the synagogues by the Jewish rabbis. They instituted _Birkat HaMinim,_ a benediction against heretics that made even Jewish believers in Jesus so uncomfortable they stopped attending. There is a far stronger and more biblical reason that those four restrictions were given. Here’s a video I made on that specific verse: *Acts 15:21, Hebrew Roots, and the key to the Jerusalem Council* ua-cam.com/video/e7q892CiklY/v-deo.html
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I have attended Torah study at temple with Jews many times..Christians were there too...don't ask don't tell ....we all have bibles these days so no excuse...grow teeth by the milk of Torah so u can chew the meat...disciples were jews
@@TabernacleTeacheri attend messianic sabbath synagogue.
The 12 apostles would have been preaching in the streets of Jerusalem,Bethlehem,cesarea, tyre, and there would have been synagogues round about those places so at some point they would be preaching from torah or out of the mouth the of the Lord in synagogues. Therefore they would be put out for his names sake.
The nations would have heard of torah and then Yeshua Jesus.
People who are christian are not for the law prophets, and whats really contained in it.
“But my salvation shall be forever and my righteousness shall Not be abolished”
“Hearken unto me ye that know righteuosness, the people in whose heart is MY Law”
Isaiah 51:6-7.
Read the book of galatians
Powerful book! In fact, I did a study on chapter 3 that you might find interesting, Stephen: ua-cam.com/video/hwI2VpAyINM/v-deo.html
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you so much...I'm about to check that out now
Because it was a covenant 🤦♂️We came in by new covenant Paul talks about this . Now talking about the new covenant well you still have to keep His laws Matthew 5:17 and down and Him coming to fulfill the law Deuteronomy 18:18 but here is the kicker if we didn’t have to follow the law . Let me ask you this why is He destroying the earth 🤔 maybe because we don’t keep His laws 🙄 Isaiah 24 read your Bible before you open your mouth sir like my uncle would say if you don’t know what your talking about just don’t open your mouth 🤦♂️
That is correct and anyone who teaches the torah of Moses is necessary for salvation is anathema from Christ.
Correct on Salvation, but there is a Graice period, then you are to Learn the Fathers Ways, "for these are not My Wotds But the One whom sent me"
Ps,
it's NOT Mosses Torah, it's the Fathers Mosses was the Author.
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Joshua 23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is *written in the book of 👉🏻the law of Moses* 👈🏻 that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
The law of who? 👆🏼
Mark 10:3 And he answered and said unto them, 👉🏼 *What did Moses command you* 👈🏼?
Who commanded? 👆🏼
Matthew 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, *and offer the gift that 👉🏼Moses commanded* 👈🏼, for a testimony unto them.
Who commanded? 👆🏼
Mark 10:3 And he answered and said unto them, 👉🏼 What did Moses command you 👈🏼
What did Moses 👆🏼 command you?
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet 👉🏼none of you keepeth the law👈🏼 Why go ye about to kill me?
None of you keep the law 👆🏼
John 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is WRITTEN IN 👉🏼THEIR LAW👈🏼, They hated me without a cause.
Notice Jesus 👆🏼 called it THEIR law, and not MY law.
All the disciples kept the Sabbath. God himself and Jesus himself as well. And you???? Daniel 7:25 ( go back to history- Constantine)
Dispensationalism
Thanks man someone told me I'd Go to Hell if I didn't keep the Torah Glad you cleared It up for me🙏
His advice is leading you to the lake of 🔥
we must obey the torah
Mathew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.(this was a common Hebrew idiom that says that I came to teach the law how it's meant to be teached, we find how the law is meant to be teached in the law)
18 For verily I say unto you, Till HEAVEN AND EARTH(not Jesus but heaven and earth) pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.(the Pharisees unlike what many think weren't obedient to the law and Yashua rebuked them for that,they teached the law but were hypocrites and didn't do what they taught Mathew 23 Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. 3 So obey everything they teach you, but don't do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.
Mathew 15
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Revalation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments(Torah)of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The commandments include the sacrificial laws.(thers nothing outside of Pauls epistles that suggests we shouldn't do the sacrificial laws)
A lot of this confusion comes from the false apostle Paul and his disciple Luke who was in opposition with the rest of the apostles
Galatians 2
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong.
12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them.
13 The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action.
14 When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?”(Paul said that Peter was living like a gentile because he was eating with Gentiles,but that was a false Jewish custom not a matter of the law)
Matthew 16
18 Jesus pronounced a blessing upon Peter and proclaimed Peter's answer as having been derived by divine inspiration. He then stated, “And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” .
Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus
- Ephesians 1:1
This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me.
-2Timothy 1:15
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
- Revelation 1:10,11
I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars.
- Revlations 2:2
Asia is where Ephesus was located! Ephesus rejected Paul and is being praised for testing 'those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars'.
AND IT DOES MATTER WHO THE JEWS ARE BECAUSE ALL PROPHECY IS BASED ON JEWS AND THERES PROPHECY THAT SAYS EBIONITES WILL OCCUPY ISRAEL AT THE END TIMES,SEE THE WAY BIBLICAL FELLOWSHIP VIDEO ON THAT
More proof of Paul being a false prophet,definitive proof:ua-cam.com/video/82C-oaPsjEo/v-deo.html
Who the real Israel is:watch truthunediteds understanding Israel series.
If any of you want Truth you have to search for it, Christ is the Truth, the Torah is the Truth, he or she who does the will of the Father shall be saved 💯❤️📖🗡
@@linin3288 False reading of Scripture. A different gospel than what Paul and Christ preached. Do not listen to this person.
of course Esau wants to talk about bbc's
Because it was never given to them!
Pretty simple!
All of this stuff has been resolved for nearly two millennia, by traditional Christians and in particular the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ gave the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all truth and right teaching. The problem is that modern Protestants (and Roman Catholics) no longer trust the one Holy and Apostolic Church, and so are having to rediscover the error of Judaizing the Faith in addition to other heresies.
Resolved? The “traditional” Christians 2000 years ago would be so ashamed of what has become of the so called “church”. They’d call it anti christ (another gospel)
Running from the Christ-mass and remembering the sabbaths is heresy? Judaizing?
@@timw6110 the Church of the first century would absolutely recognize the Orthodox Church, who has kept the practices, teachings, doctrines, and liturgical worship pattern taught by the Apostles and the venerable fathers, the radiant and victorious martyrs, and righteous saints for nearly two thousand years. What they wouldn’t recognize is rock’n’roll Sunday worship, just as they wouldn’t recognize Sunday-forbidding worship (Saturday-only worship). Christ fulfilled the Sabbath when He rested in the tomb on Holy Saturday, and brought His rest into completion in rising on Sunday, the 8th Day, which is also the first day of eternity. And there is nothing wrong with celebrating the Feast of the Nativity of the Lord, as the (Orthodox) Church has done for centuries; quite different from secular Western Christmas.
Read Scripture carefully. In Christ we have a New and Eternal Covenant, with its own worship and ordinances. There is no longer any merit in keeping the Mosaic covenant. Its purpose has been completed and perfected in the new household of the faithful (Israel) assembled before the Lord. The Holy Israel of God is the Church.
@@drewcoope well why what Christmas illegal 300 years ago?
We worship everyday. Nobody is forbidding worshiping any day.
A lot of your writings are man made doctrines
But I notice you call Saturday “holy Saturday”
That’s correct. Been that way since creation.
It’s not one day, it’s weekly
And it is set apart (holy)
What time did our first fruits rise?
Sunday morning?
The tomb was empty then.
He rose on the 3rd day!
In the pit-thursDAY-friDAY-SaturDAY
For the son of man is Master of the Sabbath.
@@timw6110 Ok. I stand corrected concerning forbidding worship on Sunday. I don't know all the nuances of the Hebrew Roots Movement. Still, it is my understanding that those who adhere to that movement demand Saturday worship. This was dealt with in the counsel of Laodicea, wherein Judaizing the faith was deemed anathema (that is, demanding observance of the Mosaic covenant). We don't need a new movement trying to (re)interpret Scripture. We need people to simply return to the one true Church that Christ established through the Apostles, and which the Apostles transmitted through the centuries. Our doctrines are not manmade; they are guided by the Holy Spirit.
@@drewcoope I don’t know what “Hebrew roots” demands. God commands us to remember, guard, set apart and rest on sabbath. It’s a blessing, and not hard. If someone’s in need, help. It’s a date with the creator and we’re invited.
He don’t want us laboring.
If that’s Judaizing or burdening, sign me up with the king of the Jews. I’ll take that yoke.