The quality of your videos is super. You owe no one an apology for anything you have put together here. Thanks for your no BS approach the guns and gear education!
Brand new to chokes with shotguns, and you have taught me more in almost seven minutes than the last week I've spent combing old forums for pointers. Thanks my dude 👍
More than anything I appreciate you speaking to gun safety in a practical, matter of fact way. All too often those of us that spend the most time handling firearms become the most careless and complacent, and are the inevitable victim of an avoidable accident. Keep up the good work! Love the tests.
Been using super full turkey choke for any bird and buckshot and I can attest if I had to shoot slugs I'd be through a full choke but full choke is awesome but I prefer a super full turkey choke for everything else
I've started loading a 14 pellet #1 buck stacked by twos. At 40 yards with an x-full choke I consistently get 11 pellets I can cover with my hand with 3 flyers. Can't seem to stop the flyers. But I'm happy with it out of an old Mossberg 500.
Nice demonstration. The disclaimer at the end was extremely impressive. Each shotgun barrel will act differently. There is no such thing as a good excuse to not pattern your shotgun barrel and choke. If you have a fixed choke each brand and speed of shell can make a huge difference. Well done Alan.
This is one of the most important things to owning a shotgun, and more important if you load yourself. Patterns can be gotten when learning to quick mount and fire, in which case gun fitment becomes an issue to look at, ie: bending stocks, trigger pull etc. Really good video with great quality advice and research. You increased the hitting power 10 fold not to mention the accuracy. Nothing like knowing how you're stickin it down range.
Great video. Well done 👏 As you stated here the biggest take away to test your own shot gun. They’re all different. This does make me wonder though about 9 pellet 00buck. Its too bad the majority of manufacturers sell 9 pellet. I only know of hornady selling 8 pellet loads but those are rather expensive and use a versatile wad, similar to federals flite control designed for cylinder bore. I’d much rather sacrifice having one less pellet which is usually a flyer liability anyway and purchase inexpensive 8 pellet and use a full choke.
I have two Browning Belgium auto 5 3" Magnums w/30" full choke barrels At 30 yards I can keep 10 pellets of triple ought within about 12" which I consider not to bad. Years ago me and my brother in law tried four different shotguns two of them having changeable choke tubes all 12 Guage with a variety of buckshot brands from #1 to triple ought. The standard full chokes did the best. We did not have any supper full or turkey chokes to try. I heard that same thing about full chokes mashing up buckshot and causing bad patterns but I have not seen this in my personal shooting.
I thought you couldn't shoot a buck in full choke lol my frist shot gun that takes chokes I have some 12 pellet buck I have been afraid to shoot because I didn't know if it would go bad lol
Great video, good job! I don't think most people ever think about checking there pattern as you did in this demonstration. Got me thinking, I'll be testing mine, that's for sure!
Nice show,I have an 870 Remington tactical in 12 ga and it's lethal with the same shells that you use in the show, out to 25 yds it's very consistent in it's patterns,#4 buck at that distance will completely pepper a target like yours
I have always shot 00 buckshot in 3-inch magnum with a modified chock. Every gun I have had over the years no matter if it was a 28-inch barrel or a 30-inch barrel. No matter what brand of shell I used Remington to Winchester to whatever and the last shotgun I got was a Remington 1187 with a 30inch barrel and it is by far the best shotgun I have ever shot. I have taken many deer with it using the modified chock and used the full chock shooting number 8 bird shot to win my share of what we call turkey shoots where we shoot a target and the one closest to the center wins a turkey. We usually have them around thanksgiving and Christmas here in the South they are fun and usually cost between 3 to 5 dollars each round .
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 It is whoever has the closest pellet to the center of the target, and they are set out to around 35 to 40 yards, and we all get one shot at the target with the shells they give us to make sure no one cheats with a bigger or more loaded shell from home. We have a judge that measures the results and if there are more than one that he can't tell which is closer to the center after measuring we have a shoot off till one winner is clear. We aren't allowed to use aftermarket chocks at most events only factory chocks .
Yep, I figured as much. I just bought a short barrel Winchester SXP and my 00 buck was patterning over 2 feet at 30 yards. I ordered a extra full choke. .665 is the squeeze. I can't wait to see how much it brings in that spread.
I have been making the full choke argument for 50+ years with my friends. I however use 3" #1 buck, I find that while I naturally do get a wider pattern with the #1 I will gets more hits in the circle. I have been using #1 ever since I went out of state hunting and forgot to bring my ammo. The local walmart did not have OO so I took the #1. Well the next day I dropped the biggest buck of my life in his tracks with one shot at 20+ yds. Since then I have dropped every deer I pulled the trigger on with 1 shot with 1 exception. He ran about 50 yds. before he stopped and I did not want to take a chance of him running again as I was on a small hobby farm in a populated area and doubled tapped him, end of story. The rest: one shot one kill out to and past 50 yds. I still have that open box of 00 sitting in my gun case that I have not used since I forgot it there 30 years ago. #1 BUCKSHOT RULES IT IS BY FAR THE MOST DEADLY AMMO YOU CAN USE TO 50 YDS. AND A BIT BEYOND.
Great Job young man very good content. I hope your enjoying doing videos as I do for other to watch our guns and ammo. Your setup and the way you bring your content is enjoyable to watch.
Wind noise wasn't bad at all. Nor the writing. Good vidio. I had winning bid on a Mossberg 835, got a skeet tube and for social work an extended full choke to run, since rifled slugs can't be used in an 835. The turkey choke wasn't recommended for buck either. Going to test the full and skeet with 00 plain and buffered low recoil.
The very tight patterned Turkey choke is used for shooting "only the head & neck" off of wild Turkeys. As far as I know the Turkey choke is the tightest choke on the market, it is one step tighter than Extra Full choke. But I do 'not' know if it will work with 00 or 000 Buckshot.??
My Mossberg 835 Ulti Magnum has a warning to not use Slugs. I haven’t tried buckshot yet. It’s actually comes with an extra full Turkey choke. I could buy an ordinary full choke for buckshot if I want to have a home defense load. Police train with 15 yard Q Targets with cylinder bore 12 gauge 870 Pump Shotguns. We used Federal Tactical 00 Buck. Most pellets were within the Q target at 15 yards. Shooting at 25 yards was not recommended as the pellets would spread missing the intended target.
It seems to be the case in a lot of videos I see. The tighter the choke the better the accuaracy with most all loads. Not sure where the whole idea from more open chokes for buck the better came from.
For my Mossberg 500 with 28 inch barrel I use a modified choke when hunting with buckshot. It has never failed to drop a deer in it's tracks. I'm buying semi auto 12 gauge next week I'll have to do some tests to see what choke to use.
Its a good video, but I personally (being very inexperienced, so dont mind my mussings) first of all have some concerns about the repeatability, I would think 1 shot is not really enough for the consistent result, maybe 5 for each choke? Second - I`ve seen a similar video and Mod and IC were getting the best results, so my assumption would be - the results are very specific to combo of shotgun+ammo, and third point - a lot of weapon experts say dont use anything tighter than IC for the double ought (not my words obviously, bit really a lot of people say that) Just my 2 cents, but generally I appreciate the video, always interesting to see something new
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 check out Rob Roberts. He is supposedly the best for polishing and lengthening the forcing cone and it's only about $80 to have him do it. The price might be different but I think it's right around there
Every gun will shoot different with different chokes and ammunition. Always pattern your gun with ammunition you use and try different chokes until you get the pattern you want. Buckshot with buffer would improve pattern better then with no buffer. It reduces deformation of the shot.
Great video well done. 1) I would like to know the difference between straight lead, copper plated, and nickel plated Buckshot.? (I have all three but I do not know.) 2) 'Slugs' with an Improved Cylinder or Cylinder choke, 'not' Modified). You could maybe also do a video with accuracy of a 'Slug' out to 100 yards. 3) What is the make & model of your shotgun.? Thank you.!
1)/2). Thanks for the suggestions, buckshot and slug variety is pretty bad up here at the moment, maybe in the future. I know buffalo outdoors did an interesting video on slug accuracy with different chokes. ua-cam.com/video/P1OkpM97rcQ/v-deo.html 3) The shotgun I am using in this video is a CZ 1012 All Terrain, I did a review on it if you are interested. ua-cam.com/video/RaBTL0P0f80/v-deo.html
It doesn't effect the quality of the video but your very first shot there actually was 9 shots on paper. In the middle of the outline, you just forgot to put the line through it. Great video thanks.
Thanks. Good video. What kind of ammo? I'm asking because sometimes if you're using FCW you want the imp cyl because the tighter ones will rip the shot cup off your shot (defeating the purpose).
Huntingwise, what do you use buckshot for in AK? In VA we use it for deer, coyote, bobcat and with #4 buck and smaller sometimes turkey. Alot of double barrels shooters used to keep a #4 buck in one barrel and something larger in the other barrel. I guess that you could use it on smaller black bear but we generally use slugs, rifles and muzzleloaders where I am for bear.
Walmart cheap federal 15 round pack Stoeger m3000 Kicks Buck Kicker choke consentient 12 to 14 inch group at 80 yards. That's a dead deer hog or what ever out to a 100 yards. You get even tighter groups with buffered buck shot.
The quality of your videos is super. You owe no one an apology for anything you have put together here. Thanks for your no BS approach the guns and gear education!
Thanks, that means a lot.
❤
Full choke ain’t no joke! 👍
I love how you say 'Let's go check it out.' I don't know why.
Thanks & Appreciated. No waffle on, straight to the point and graat summary at end. Love your work !!!
Brand new to chokes with shotguns, and you have taught me more in almost seven minutes than the last week I've spent combing old forums for pointers. Thanks my dude 👍
More than anything I appreciate you speaking to gun safety in a practical, matter of fact way. All too often those of us that spend the most time handling firearms become the most careless and complacent, and are the inevitable victim of an avoidable accident. Keep up the good work! Love the tests.
Thanks a lot, good point about not getting complacent. Take care.
Complacency kills. I'm missing bone from my hand because I got lax with safety on a table saw. No kick back guard no push stick nothing but regret
Full choke all day everyday from birds to hogs u gotta love shotguns very universal
They are pretty versatile
Been using super full turkey choke for any bird and buckshot and I can attest if I had to shoot slugs I'd be through a full choke but full choke is awesome but I prefer a super full turkey choke for everything else
Thank you for taking the time to show us how the chokes pattern with the 00 buck. I enjoy watching your content.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you this is the only video I could find that actually compared them all
Thanks for watching!
True!!! Most are just trying to show off or sell an aftermarket choke and not discussing the difference in choke restriction
I've started loading a 14 pellet #1 buck stacked by twos. At 40 yards with an x-full choke I consistently get 11 pellets I can cover with my hand with 3 flyers. Can't seem to stop the flyers. But I'm happy with it out of an old Mossberg 500.
Good video, seems just like a genuine ordinary guy, sharing knowledge. Thumbs up.
Thanks a lot Joe!
Modified and Full keep a pretty good pattern. Thanks for sharing
You do a good job. Fun and interesting. Just do the best you can. Don't worry.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Nice demonstration. The disclaimer at the end was extremely impressive. Each shotgun barrel will act differently.
There is no such thing as a good excuse to not pattern your shotgun barrel and choke. If you have a fixed choke each brand and speed of shell can make a huge difference.
Well done Alan.
Impressive presentation , good advice no BS information .
Thanks
Thanks for watching, glad you liked it.
Thank you for a very clear test, I learned something today
This is one of the most important things to owning a shotgun, and more important if you load yourself.
Patterns can be gotten when learning to quick mount and fire, in which case gun fitment becomes an issue to look at, ie: bending stocks, trigger pull etc. Really good video with great quality advice and research. You increased the hitting power 10 fold not to mention the accuracy.
Nothing like knowing how you're stickin it down range.
Great points!
I would be very keen on seeing this exact experiment on other buckshot 000, 0, 1, 2.
Thanks for the vid
Wow. I guess I will need to try all inserts. Thank you.
It won't hurt. The results may surprise you.
Let's see a 3" magnum 15 pellet double 00 buck test! That would be awesome!
Thanks for the great video
Great presentation! Thank you. 6:37
A good short simple video. Great job!
Thank you!
Great video. Well done 👏
As you stated here the biggest take away to test your own shot gun. They’re all different.
This does make me wonder though about 9 pellet 00buck. Its too bad the majority of manufacturers sell 9 pellet. I only know of hornady selling 8 pellet loads but those are rather expensive and use a versatile wad, similar to federals flite control designed for cylinder bore.
I’d much rather sacrifice having one less pellet which is usually a flyer liability anyway and purchase inexpensive 8 pellet and use a full choke.
Just brought home my new 1012 today. Fantastic video. Thank you buddy🤟
Awesome, glad you liked the video. Hope your new shotgun treats you well.
Nicely done thank you for the information keep the great videos coming
Thanks, will do!
Nice video ! My grandfather used to say that a good breeze meant no bugs.
The breeze sure does help!
I just stumbled across your channel. You are a very likable dude. Enjoyed both of the videos I have seen so far. Learned from each of them.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. Glad you enjoyed them!
I have two Browning Belgium auto 5 3" Magnums w/30" full choke barrels
At 30 yards I can keep 10 pellets of triple ought within about 12" which I consider not to bad. Years ago me and my brother in law tried four different shotguns two of them having changeable choke tubes all 12 Guage with a variety of buckshot brands from #1 to triple ought. The standard full chokes did the best. We did not have any supper full or turkey chokes to try. I heard that same thing about full chokes mashing up buckshot and causing bad patterns but I have not seen this in my personal shooting.
That's interesting to hear that you had the same experience with a few different guns.
Perfect video! Exactly what I'm looking for as a rookie when it comes to chokes, thank you
Thanks a lot. Glad it helped!
I thought you couldn't shoot a buck in full choke lol my frist shot gun that takes chokes I have some 12 pellet buck I have been afraid to shoot because I didn't know if it would go bad lol
I just bought a mossberg 500 and i love it. Its my first shotgun
Awesome! Good choice, should serve you well.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 i love it man, great video
Great test and it challenges to notion that tight chokes increase the pattern size with buckshot. Well done!
Great video, good job! I don't think most people ever think about checking there pattern as you did in this demonstration. Got me thinking, I'll be testing mine, that's for sure!
Thanks a lot! Good luck with your patterning.
Nice video. Well put together.
Thanks for putting this out.
Thanks a lot!
Gotta love that CZ. Beautiful shotgun sir. Great video, first one I've seen yet going through the choke tubes.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
everytime i buy CZ, i get impressed by the quality
I think you did a excellent job man
Thanks!
This answers my question....Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Nice results. Thanks
Nice video very helpful for someone who never used buckshot before.
Thanks! Glad it helped.
Nice show,I have an 870 Remington tactical in 12 ga and it's lethal with the same shells that you use in the show, out to 25 yds it's very consistent in it's patterns,#4 buck at that distance will completely pepper a target like yours
12 gauge 870 Remington 18inch barrel is my main long gun. My favorite weapon
legendary shotgun
I have always shot 00 buckshot in 3-inch magnum with a modified chock. Every gun I have had over the years no matter if it was a 28-inch barrel or a 30-inch barrel. No matter what brand of shell I used Remington to Winchester to whatever and the last shotgun I got was a Remington 1187 with a 30inch barrel and it is by far the best shotgun I have ever shot. I have taken many deer with it using the modified chock and used the full chock shooting number 8 bird shot to win my share of what we call turkey shoots where we shoot a target and the one closest to the center wins a turkey. We usually have them around thanksgiving and Christmas here in the South they are fun and usually cost between 3 to 5 dollars each round .
I am having trouble understanding the contest where you try to be closest to the center with #8 birdshot. Wouldn't the pattern cover the target?
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 It is whoever has the closest pellet to the center of the target, and they are set out to around 35 to 40 yards, and we all get one shot at the target with the shells they give us to make sure no one cheats with a bigger or more loaded shell from home. We have a judge that measures the results and if there are more than one that he can't tell which is closer to the center after measuring we have a shoot off till one winner is clear. We aren't allowed to use aftermarket chocks at most events only factory chocks .
Yep, I figured as much. I just bought a short barrel Winchester SXP and my 00 buck was patterning over 2 feet at 30 yards. I ordered a extra full choke. .665 is the squeeze. I can't wait to see how much it brings in that spread.
Good luck with your patterning!
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 Thanks.
I have been making the full choke argument for 50+ years with my friends. I however use 3" #1 buck, I find that while I naturally do get a wider pattern with the #1 I will gets more hits in the circle. I have been using #1 ever since I went out of state hunting and forgot to bring my ammo. The local walmart did not have OO so I took the #1. Well the next day I dropped the biggest buck of my life in his tracks with one shot at 20+ yds. Since then I have dropped every deer I pulled the trigger on with 1 shot with 1 exception. He ran about 50 yds. before he stopped and I did not want to take a chance of him running again as I was on a small hobby farm in a populated area and doubled tapped him, end of story. The rest: one shot one kill out to and past 50 yds. I still have that open box of 00 sitting in my gun case that I have not used since I forgot it there 30 years ago.
#1 BUCKSHOT RULES IT IS BY FAR THE MOST DEADLY AMMO YOU CAN USE TO 50 YDS. AND A BIT BEYOND.
Great Job young man very good content. I hope your enjoying doing videos as I do for other to watch our guns and ammo. Your setup and the way you bring your content is enjoyable to watch.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
Excellent vid 👍
Thankyou!
Like your show would like to see more types of ammo pattern
It was a lot of fun thank you .
Your vid is well done enjoyed it
Thanks!
Wind noise wasn't bad at all. Nor the writing.
Good vidio. I had winning bid on a Mossberg 835, got a skeet tube and for social work an extended full choke to run, since rifled slugs can't be used in an 835. The turkey choke wasn't recommended for buck either. Going to test the full and skeet with 00 plain and buffered low recoil.
Cool, I bet with the turkey choke it would start to compress the pellets some. It will be interesting to see if you get different results.
The very tight patterned Turkey choke is used for shooting "only the head & neck" off of wild Turkeys. As far as I know the Turkey choke is the tightest choke on the market, it is one step tighter than Extra Full choke. But I do 'not' know if it will work with 00 or 000 Buckshot.??
Great subject for a video. The results were surprising. Nice hat (love the color)!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. It was fun to make.
My Mossberg 835 Ulti Magnum has a warning to not use Slugs. I haven’t tried buckshot yet. It’s actually comes with an extra full Turkey choke. I could buy an ordinary full choke for buckshot if I want to have a home defense load. Police train with 15 yard Q Targets with cylinder bore 12 gauge 870 Pump Shotguns. We used Federal Tactical 00 Buck. Most pellets were within the Q target at 15 yards. Shooting at 25 yards was not recommended as the pellets would spread missing the intended target.
I am guessing the no slug warning was because of the extra full choke.
Good video bud. I was wondering if I could fire 00 buck through a full choke. Well now I know about that.
Thanks for watching!
Good video. Thanks for presenting!
Thanks!
Very good video
Thanks!
Thanks looking forward to seeing more of your videos
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Keep the shotgun vids coming. 🤠
Liked your channel and subscribed Hi from Texas.
Thanks a lot! Welcome.
Great test!
Thanks!
Thanks for the great video
I’ll leave with a motto that has always served throughout my adulthood
“If it ain’t tight, it ain’t right.”
Great video
Thank you. You’ve got a new subscriber. I like the way that you presented the information
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Well presented, thank you.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
Good production
Thanks, I appreciate it.
It seems to be the case in a lot of videos I see. The tighter the choke the better the accuaracy with most all loads. Not sure where the whole idea from more open chokes for buck the better came from.
For my Mossberg 500 with 28 inch barrel I use a modified choke when hunting with buckshot. It has never failed to drop a deer in it's tracks. I'm buying semi auto 12 gauge next week I'll have to do some tests to see what choke to use.
Great work patterning your gun!
Learned a lot ,thank you sir ..
Thanks for watching!
I was watching your video will use shooting buckshot through five different tubes you should try a turkey joke to which is extra for choke videos
That may be to tight, no turkeys here though so I don't really want to buy one.
Great job
Thanks!
Good job!!!
Thanks!
Oh snap, Eugene from The Walking Dead. Now i gotta like this vid. Full choke for zombies?
Good presentation video
Thank you!
I found this to be true with a Beretta 1301. The full patterns the best.
Good job. Like you to show Fetter 12-gauge 00buck vs Federal premium with flight-control at 7 and 15 yards.
Thanks, I would like to do some stuff with the flight control in the future.
Good video. The information is sound.
I have a stage coach 12that has ic & modified. With 18”” barrels and 9 pellets. The 8 pellets will pattern tighter.
8 pellet patterns much tighter through the 2 shotguns I've tried a similar test on.
@@Dtmdeman known as the 9th pellet flyer
Great comparison vidio
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video 👍🏻
Good video sir thank you.
Modified seems to work best in my moss 500.
Good work patterning your shotgun, they are all different.
Its a good video, but I personally (being very inexperienced, so dont mind my mussings) first of all have some concerns about the repeatability, I would think 1 shot is not really enough for the consistent result, maybe 5 for each choke? Second - I`ve seen a similar video and Mod and IC were getting the best results, so my assumption would be - the results are very specific to combo of shotgun+ammo, and third point - a lot of weapon experts say dont use anything tighter than IC for the double ought (not my words obviously, bit really a lot of people say that)
Just my 2 cents, but generally I appreciate the video, always interesting to see something new
If you want to help get rid of that 9th pellet flyer then I recommend polishing your forcing cone.
I didn't know that would help. Thanks for the tip.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 check out Rob Roberts. He is supposedly the best for polishing and lengthening the forcing cone and it's only about $80 to have him do it. The price might be different but I think it's right around there
thanks for this video
Very good
This vid was great..... Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Every gun will shoot different with different chokes and ammunition. Always pattern your gun with ammunition you use and try different chokes until you get the pattern you want. Buckshot with buffer would improve pattern better then with no buffer. It reduces deformation of the shot.
Exactly! The wad technology has come a long way too, I want to try out the flight control wads at some point.
Full is always best for me for buckshot
Nice video
Thanks!
Great video!
Thanks!
Great video well done.
1) I would like to know the difference between straight lead, copper plated, and nickel plated Buckshot.? (I have all three but I do not know.)
2) 'Slugs' with an Improved Cylinder or Cylinder choke, 'not' Modified). You could maybe also do a video with accuracy of a 'Slug' out to 100 yards.
3) What is the make & model of your shotgun.?
Thank you.!
1)/2). Thanks for the suggestions, buckshot and slug variety is pretty bad up here at the moment, maybe in the future. I know buffalo outdoors did an interesting video on slug accuracy with different chokes. ua-cam.com/video/P1OkpM97rcQ/v-deo.html
3) The shotgun I am using in this video is a CZ 1012 All Terrain, I did a review on it if you are interested. ua-cam.com/video/RaBTL0P0f80/v-deo.html
good quick video, no bs cheers
Great video….I would like to see slug at 25 yrds….Thanks
Great channel
Excellent and enjoyable. Thanks
It doesn't effect the quality of the video but your very first shot there actually was 9 shots on paper. In the middle of the outline, you just forgot to put the line through it. Great video thanks.
Thanks! I re-watched the video and I still only see 8, including the one inside the outline. I could be missing it though.
I was gifted a mossberg maverick with modified choke barrel.. anyone with any buckshot experience through that?
Only way to find out is you pattern your own gun, every barrel is different. Should be a great all around shotgun.
I like this video. 👍
Yeah I use a full chock when hunting
Good job, I wonder does the full choke affect penetration? Example, full vs Improved penatration.
Thanks. Good video.
What kind of ammo? I'm asking because sometimes if you're using FCW you want the imp cyl because the tighter ones will rip the shot cup off your shot (defeating the purpose).
This is just plain old S&B 00 buck. No fancy wads.
Huntingwise, what do you use buckshot for in AK? In VA we use it for deer, coyote, bobcat and with #4 buck and smaller sometimes turkey. Alot of double barrels shooters used to keep a #4 buck in one barrel and something larger in the other barrel. I guess that you could use it on smaller black bear but we generally use slugs, rifles and muzzleloaders where I am for bear.
In my neighborhood probably lynx, fox or cantankerous two legged predators.
Walmart cheap federal 15 round pack Stoeger m3000 Kicks Buck Kicker choke consentient 12 to 14 inch group at 80 yards. That's a dead deer hog or what ever out to a 100 yards. You get even tighter groups with buffered buck shot.