The "worst" aircraft in War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2022
- #warthunder #israel #s199
Fun fact: if the Czech warehouse had not burned down, the S-199 would have had the DB-605 engine instead of the Jumo 211F. Take from that what you will. Also, skill issue.
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SONG: • Siman Tov ! Mazal Tov ... - Ігри
I feel as though I need to address some of these comments. Yes, the S-199 is objectively worse than virtually every aircraft it faces, with the only exception being some of the low tier bombers. Yes, many of these clips are of players who aren't paying attention, however that it how you are supposed to play it. Shoot down unsuspecting players before they get a chance to react, as if you fail to do so, they will get you. This video was meant to showcase that it is possible to do well with a vehicle that much of the player base deems unplayable. I haven't been able to find any videos showing this aircraft in a positive light, so I wanted to do that. Also it goes without being said, but any anti-semetic comments will be removed without warning. Thank you for your time.
Every Vehicle can be good if you play it correctly
And that's how it was played in 48'
Btw do you use Vertical targeting? I normally use it on my 109’s, but does this one benefit?
we Israeli didn't brought peace think on that as futureistics ways for cease fire and makeing fires
@@Leefjuice4005 every vehicle can be good if your opponent is trash.
The only strength this plane has is its guns, which you have showcased quite well.
It’s maneuverability is good for it’s br if you can keep energy but the energy runs fast so it’s a really a hit and run fighter
@@itszilo7436 What energy. The thing has none to start with
@@gautam414 Just like any other plane you have to build up energy first
@@itszilo7436 True, it's just that this thing is probably the worst at doing so at its BR.
@@itszilo7436 its a stuka engine good luck building any energy in the first place
Fun fact about the S-199, it actually had a unseen problem with the machine gun sync gear when shooting thru the prop. So it would actually just shoot its own prop off.
Damn
That is the funniest thing ive ever seen
See that's why you don't let the mohel cover for the engineer on a sick day.
@@superslash7254 lmao
It also used a bomber engine, which explains the awful preformance
I feel pretty confident I could disconnect my mouse and still beat an S-199 in any other 3.3 fighter, nice 3kd tho I guess
Anyone with a decent understanding of the game could, it is just objectively a bad plane
@@tajp917 Honestly its kind of a skill diff, i used it to grind out sl and would always get around 3 kills or if i'm lucky I would get more. its 13mm guns shred and although its max speed and turn time is very shit, the guns make up for it.
@@marcusyeung2976 all of that is irrelevant when most similar br planes wont even give it a shot
@@marcusyeung2976 If it's a skill issue then prove it. You bring the S199 and I will bring any other 3.3 fighter of your choice and throw my mouse across the room.
@@marcusyeung2976 Guns mean nothing if you dont have the ability to point them where you want to
On the bright side,if everyone sees this as the "worst" plane of war thunder then getting shot down by it doubles the emotional damage
I've taken out Helis, Jets, and 8.0 Anti Air, it's so rewarding lol.
Tfw your GDP in 1949 was spent trying to keep the bootleg BF-109's from just falling out of the sky
Well it must have worked considering the outcome.
@@johnroscoe2406 true
Fun fact: irl, the aircraft's guns and it's engine weren't in sync, so every few shots, the propeller got shot.
Edit: huh someone else made this comment already
Guys don’t let the power of editing fool you. This plane’s weapons are its strongpoint and it ends there.
It's only two saving graces are the MG151s, and it's airframe. Because it's a G-12 airframe it can handle very high speeds in a dive. Retaining that energy however is impossible as the Jumo 211F is extremely underpowered, and WEPing even for a short period of time will result in the engine overheating.
@@dkart96 my tactic for the s-199 is to side climb, hunt any bombers i may find and then just boom because it cant zoom. After that run
@@dkart96 afaik the S-199 is based on the G-14 airframe, not the G-12
Cope
That's just the entire Swedish prop lineup.
It’s just a 109 with an engine that is not quite as good. It’s still a decent plane.
worse fighter for its br*
I outturned this thing in a BF110
Irl it had he111 engine and propeller of some other bomber built in but still proved well in 1948 Israeli-arab war because egiptian pilots werent skilled enough. Israel hired former us airforce pilots.
@@SeductiveWalrus is that suprising?. Your a BF-110. With 2 engines in an aircraft that retains energy somewhat decently probably fighting a player who isn't experienced in said vehicle.
@@sinisterisrandom8537 more energy ≠ faster turning
As an israeli i never expected to see a war thunder montage with a 1980's era semi religious song about bringing peace
it was so funny when i heard the song and my brain just went to the last bar mitzvah I attended
@@Zachattack-ot2un lol
I’m sure that dkart’s music choices for these videos are deliberate. There was another video he did for the IJN Hyuga which had Battotai as its music piece: Battotai is the anthem of the Imperial Japanese _Army,_ and the hate between the Japanese Army and the Japanese Navy is regarded as _the worst_ in military history.
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"Mom can we get bf109 at home?"
"We have bf109 at home"
Bf109 at home:
Bf109 at home: Pyörremyrsky
Store brand Bf109 that not even the mom buys: S199
@@Majima_Nowhere lol
Pro tip: bring max fuel, it moves the center balance of the plane back and makes it actually semi-turnable
Is that true?
@@Itz_just_VICTOR I found so, volumetric weight and balance is modeled in the game
What about the speed, wouldn’t that be detrimental to the already underpowered engine?
@@yourlocalweebfriend3537you probably will but you where going to struggle either way. You got to use boom and zoom tactics and more weight helps you on the down slope and you got good turning for 1-2 turns with the momentum l.
Skill issue
How to trigger wehrboos:
Fun fact: the S199 "Sakin" was just a really bad mashup of the Bf109, the Czechs built it if I'm not mistaken and the Israelis desperately needed them when fighting the Arab armies in the independence war, so as bad as it was, it had unimaginable value to Israel that was only a few days old at thee time.
It was built in czechoslovakia, the factory they were built in were actually slovakia. We had many late model BF-109 Gs, at least airframes, but DB605s only for about 70% of them. So then some genius decided to strap an engine from the He-111 in it and use it as a strike fighter. Well it proved to be a piece of shit, many pilots refused to fly it, those who did hated it. Then israel started getting harassed by some of the arab nations around it and desperately needed an air force, but noone was willing to supply them, except... Czechoslovakia was willing to send the Avia S-199, and israel used it because it was the only thing they could get
@@v3es473 pretty much, it was a massive piece of shit lol
Remember that Israel got these because no one wanted them, and thus no one expected to see them on the front. And given there real world performance against spitfire mk9 and fait g.56, it did a hell of a good job for a shit plane.
They didn't get them because noone wanted them, they were made to be ground attackers with some fighter capability not fighters as is, israel got them because noone except czechoslovakia was willing to supply them with planes.
So there are no bad planes according to you then
There are bad planes and this is one of them. People just don't know how to effectively use it and end up getting shot down often.
That's a lot of words to say it's bad
Anyone can do well in bad vehicles. A weapon is only as good as the person using it.
The weapon is as good as the enemy is bad yes.
There is nothing to play with if the enemy isn't disabled.
When there are no advantages its not just about you doing the right thing. Your argument goes both ways.
@@DEFYN *that’s a lot of words for you to say you never learned how to use an aircraft to its advantage*
You can’t judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree.
Considering the country it's attached to and just knowing the type of people who'd play War Thunder, I can't help but wonder if there's possibly *other reasons* some of them seem so vitriolic about a mediocre prop plane
They’re just Germans
lol, yes, I think you are on to something. There's a ton of Little Adolfs in this community, sadly.
@@johnroscoe2406 "sadly"
@@ulfric5696 found an adolf
@@tinycockjock1967 lol the Neanderthal even calls himself "Ulfric" how cringe. He probably has a bunch of gay phony rune symbol tattoos too I bet. And follows "Asatru." And collects WW2 memorabilla... but ONLY German. And he thinks Dresden happened after the war ended.
I mean I'll admit it's not great, but granted it's a Gustav airframe with a cruddy Jumo engine and cannons are only poddable, it's decent when used right.
It'd also the only post war BF-109 with a flare launcher(flare gun).
"It's garbage!"
Just because it requires you to aim slightly doesn't mean its THE WORST.
It is terrible
You cant, climb, run, turn, and you have low amount of ammo which for me would work only like 30% of the time so no, its not the aiming, its the plane
I wonder if that it can be even hunted down by helpless po2.. possibly yes! Look mate that plane just dont work ok it barely flies
@@kousand9917 Low ammo means you have terrible aim. Play some soviet air maybe you'll learn trigger discipline
As they say in top gun, it's not the plane...its the pilot.
"Don't judge your gun, judge yourself that can't use that gun dude" - me EFT
They say that, but they also say that they stand no chance against 5th generation fighters
@@certifiedfreeaboo3790 that why old outdated weaponry become history and can't match again new futuristic weaponry but most of the old outdated weaponry will soon turn into scrap? ( rip my english sorry i hope you understand what i mean about your comment ;-; )
@@certifiedfreeaboo3790 the this man in the video must be maverick
and then you read what the F-35 can do and you change your whole thought process, like rookies right out of training saving veteran pilots just cause they're systems were a bit better.
If the S-199 would be put in 2.7 it would be perfectly fine. it is basically a BF-109 G-14 with the engine of the He-111 H-6 (which itself is a 2.7 aircraft funnily enough) and different german MG configuration (2 x MG-151 in the wings and 2 x MG-131 in the nose).
here are the pros and cons of the S-199 should it be moved to 2.7:
+) G-14 airframe from very late WW2 makes this aircraft near immune to rifile calibre MGs and pretty resiliant to early/mid war .50 Cals
+) MG combination is pretty good, once MG-151 is unlocked
+) thanks to the very late G-14 airframe, if the S-199 does find itself in a situation where it has a high amount of energy, it its insanely more performant than anything in it's BR
-) the Jumo 211F is incredibly underpowered, most aircraft will outclimb and outaccelerate you even in this BR, although not as abysmaly as in 3.3
-) before aquiring the MG-151 modification you will be stuck with MG-17 rifile calibre MGs on the nose, but unlike other aircraft with rifile calibre MGs you dont get a gargantuan amount of ammo for them
-) oh boy if you thought taking off in simulator with the BF-109 is hard, the S-199's Jumo 211F generates even MORE torque making it even harder to take off without crashing immedietly
edit: fixing some mistakes
Yeah that torque in the S-199 makes it a nightmare on takeoff, but I still have an above 1.0 KD with the damn thing. It is somehow enjoyable in sim, and I don’t know how.
Wait, maybe the engine needs to have mec used to maximize performance, this might be the reason for the torque.
"I went 3:1 so its not garbage" isnt really an argument
It was never meant to be. I just wanted to showcase that it's possible to do well in a vehicle that many players deem unplayable.
@@dkart96 there 2 reasons why that vehicle isnt unplayable. 1 It has decent guns 2 Its low tier so players have no idea what they are doing
Not necessarily true. There are plenty of players around tiers 2-4 that are proficient enough to know what they are doing.
@@dkart96 Mfw only plays BR 3.0 F6F and nothing else since so long ago the tech tree shifted so I don’t even have the preceding plane researched.
@@yoloman3607 f6f felt so much better before the nerf
Deserved nerf tbh
This thing flies like a lead brick, and is about as fast as one, But the 20mm with the air belts are insanely good. I've gotten 10+ kill matches in 5.3-6 BR without much issue. I love my S-199 so much.
I'm a noob, but it's the same for me.
me when i see an s-199 shoot down a bf-109: heh, ironc
A weapon is as useful as its owner/user
I mean, try to beat a machinegunner with a stick while being like 50m away
"Skill issue"
It's a 109G airframe, gimped by an He-111's engine. If you can overcome that, you're golden.
Enlighten me
@@tajp917 Stop just retyping something you saw in the video.
Kinda feels like the 2nd j22. Good guns and nothing else.
The edits are SO good. Some of the funniest, and best I've seen. Keep it up
"It's not the plane sir, it's the pilot."
That's what happens when you give a Bf-109 a shit engine
It better than DefinitelyBullshit-605...but too heavy
Showing clips of you getting kills in vehicles that are objectively and undeniably worse than the other planes of comparative BR level does not change the fact that a plane is objectively and undeniably worse than other planes comparative to the BR level. I don’t know if people just feel big dicked by claiming something is good “if used properly”, like some kind of elitist complex, or maybe it’s just an all in good fun laugh. Regardless, shit planes are still shit, no matter how hard a particular opponent will try to make it look good for you. Don’t confuse your target failing to use their vehicle well with yours being “not that bad”
wdym bro it's the best 109 variant frfr
@@daboops1897 yeah no cap bro like it do be bussin bussin no cappsy
Yes, the plane is objectively bad. But there is something deeply satisfying about killing players with the worst fighter in the game.
Normally when I try use it, my best tactic is taking one pass and getting the hell outta there, and proceed to repeat I ended up with a 3 kill game, decent plane for its br
Imagine a massive skill issue
A plane that takes discipline and some skill to use-
The entire playerbase: "THIS IS HORRIBLE PLANE"
there's a big difference between needing discipline to fight well and one that is utterly dogshite. The s199 falls into the latter category
What does this video even prove man? The plane still isn't good and none of these kills are anything more than you just slotting in on people flying in a straight line/full committing with people and winning.
Nothing, I just wanted to make a video with it
Zen let me guess; you complain about "globalists" on a daily basis yes?
@@johnroscoe2406 ???
@@dkart96 Yeah, the entire premise of your video is just “hurr durr people wrong plane good” but the plane is literally just as bad as everyone says it is.
Skill issue
If you are "supposed" to play a plane by shooting down unsuspecting players that don't know where the "c" key is, it's not a good plane. It's pretty clearly (and ironically, considering the nation) a cash-grab, forcing people to buy the premium with a bad first plane. I did get an ace in the thing though, so at least it's a nice meme.
No one is forcing you to buy the Spitfire tho. If you want it you can buy it, but its not a requirement. The S-199 isn't that bad once you get the MG151 gunpods, and it's not that difficult to use. Yea, it's engine is trash but the airframe is really good. Side climb, and dive on enemies. Don't rush in and you'll have a better chance of succeeding.
@@dkart96 I agree with all that. I was just saying, having such an objectively bad plane as the starting point makes players want to throw their wallets at Gaijin. It's designed to be frustrating, and I don't like that, even for a free game.
I think the only issue with my comment is that I kinda implied that these planes exist in a vacuum. Air RB isn't 1v1's at equal alt and energy. Yeah, it's objectively a bad plane, a very bad one. However, a distinction should be made between a plane being unworkable in a 1v1 and unworkable in Air RB. Anyone who claims it needs a downtier either has these concepts confused or has a skill issue.
By the way, I love your videos, you're one of my favorite creators. I mostly meant that comment for the people that complain that is OP, or that "it's good, you just don't know how to fly it, I go 4:1 in it." Because usually, those sorts of people don't realize they're being carried by the guns.
The ironic thing is that shalom means peace, and it’s being said throughout the video while planes are being shot down and such.
I love this plane so much. You put anything in front of it and it instantly disappears
I'm a sim player, mostly air with SL issues due to being a free to play player and I rarely buy any vehicles because of that, and when I do I think about it nice and well.
I've seen the israeli tech tree but never rly started it but the S 199 seemed ok in stats but never rly got to use it's firepower in a real battle cause I dont even own it.
One thing especial about that plane is that (last time I checked) it sits well in 3.3. For air simulator battles in enduring confrontation where you have rooms with a max and min BR so that you can join (so basically uptier proof but not rly downtier. As if you have a plane that meets the BR of a room you can even bring a biplane in. Some people do this as far as rank 3 but mostly 2) this means that it plays in rank 2. So it will fight p40F10 or Bf 109 F2 or F1 at best. So it being a rank 4 109 I think it can have some good advantadge.
This video made me consider buying this plane even more.
BTW, I moved to RB because rank 2 in AB was a nightmare and back then I only played USA. So in RB when I got to p 47D we can say it didnt go so well... So I tried sim, where I am quite good! This to say that you, dkart96, seem to be quite a good pilot in WT and props man! You can even use it in rank 3 in a hard (for me) gamemode. I wish you the best of luck!
I don't understand people saying it is "unmaneuverable", when it is very.
The S-199 plays a lot like the crappiest P-51 pilots play their planes: do fuck all until you spot someone that 100% can't fight back and then go balls to the wall on "securing the kill"... on a plane that was missing a wing.
you cant change my mind man
bro they aren't just playing it right, but this dude right here is. Keep up the good work bro👍
You made me actually interested in trying it out.
Last kill was gold
your the real menace for using ft as your distance measurement
The thing is that you’re just better than all the level 20s obviously so even if it is a bad plane you’re going to beat them either way.
They said the same about the japanese Kikka, and i had an absolute blast, and outmanouvered every F-80 or F-84 i faced, wich makes the phrase "Its not the plane its the pilot" make sense.
Well I agree, I cant figure out for the life of me how to play the Kikka, indeed a skill issue. However, making you research one 30mm out of a grand total of two, and you only get 50 rounds each, is an absolute crime
"Its no the plane, its the pilot"
- *"plane OP"* pilot
This was a great montage and the song was a BANGER, I gotta say. Which bullets did you use for this? Just the default, or something else?
as a war thunder veteran this is a great video it shows that no matter how bad a plane is it can still be used. as the S-199 is a horrid plane preformance wise MG151 cannons are quite nice my advice when flying a plane like this is 1 side climb 2 acess the situation try to only go after unsuspecting targets and even though your plane isn't great you may yet see great results
As a japan main, when a S-199 comes to me, I feel really sad...
As someone who fly a lot of the crazy and otherwise terrible planes, I think this is actually pretty average. I really like the VB 10. 02 planes in the French tech tree, despite their lack of sufficient power and their powerful cannons and strong air frame, and this really gives me similar vibes. It was a treat to play, and I would play it again.
I really wanna use the VB 10 C2 but the repair cost is 12k stock for some fucking reason. It's only 4.7 jesus christ Gaijin
lmao this skill issue also has a historical aspect, where despite being unreliable, the IAF managed to shoot down enemy spitfires with this plane
I saw some dude dominating enemy planes in ground RB using S-199🤯
Last kill was just perfect wow
*"It's not the plane, it's the pilot"*
Tis not about the plane tis about the pilot flying it
The day this video was posted (yesterday) i was discussing The same thing with a player in the chat lol
Great music choice!
Everyone says it’s trash but you just need to know how to play it and then it’s good. I did quite well with the S-199 but I know so many people who hated it because they didn’t know how to play it
Literally just came back to war thunder after a three yeah hiatus and brought this thing. I’m not going to lie I kinda like it
this is my comfort video its so funny
Average warthunder youtube comment be like. BuT HoW mAnY gAmEs Did It TaKe To Do ThAt? good work D.
Yup, which is why he showed his K/D as well
S-199: Why should I care if I'm the worst fighter there is? (Enter inferior sobbing noises)
Firebrand: Clearly I've been forgotten...
I think those guys haven't seen Italian air tech tree
It's gonna same as any France
10% vehicle
90% skill
Unlike major nation
70% vehicle
30% skill
Grinded the whole rank 4 and 5 with it. Decent plane.
I think a lot of people missed the point in the video, dkart isn’t trying to say that the plane is good, he’s stated so himself several times, he wanted to showcase that it’s possible to do good with even the worst steaming piles of garbage.
basically ur average dkart video 👍
"My son it's not the plane it's the pilot"
Master Oogway.
the Virgin Rolls Royce Merlin VS the chad DB605 VS the Giga Chad Junkers Jumo211F
all the Engines of the ME 109 BTW
Remember, it's a fighter with a bomber engine
The thumbnail is too fucking good
well done, a compilation of mostly advantages kills
Here because I also have this “problem”. Will try to grind mods on B-17G and spits and end up dying horribly in those and getting like 3 Skill Matterses in S-199
Its not the plane, its the pilot
often, but sometimes, its the plane
Song is absolute heat tho
You can tell who spaded it or not. Stock it is dogwater but when you upgrade it, its actually pretty decent
Due to climb rate its probably best low altitude fighting
That's what I use it for
Just don't dogfight with it, climb, dive, shoot, run away
It was the worst grinding experience ive ever had, even while spaded ive had trouble keeping this POS in the air
Honestly quite incredible
What range are your guns set at please
first tiem seeing someone use feet in warthunder
The plane can hold up even till jets 7.0 in arcade and 6.0 in realistic all you need is a bit of skill.
Play f6f next, it is op af 2nd best 3.3 it has cracked turn and speed very viable
What cannons do you use
If only I had more that 20fps
Headons and not evading planes.... impressive
Atleast its not the F6F5N at 4.3
Remember one thing that plane fight a independence war in 1947 and 1956 .This best plane ever beat even Super marine typhoon of RAF
The fact that in the early part of the video, the engine is overheating is allready proof💀
Don't bother taking more than minimum fuel load. The engine wont last that long.
I love your videos ! All respect from Algeria
what amo are you useing ?
This video didn’t make the S-199 a better plane nor it made me a better pilot, but it inspired me to try hard anyway and grind through it.
it looks like a bf-109 but with rounded wings
It's literally a 109 G12 with a Jumo 211F engine
My S199 trick is to leave cannons at home, it suddenly turns horrible fighter into a bad one. And there are plenty of bad planes out there, not just you.
People will expect you to be a total brick, but you actually aren't and you can catch them off guard.
And the humiliation you inflict on players by killing them with the worst fighter in the game, makes this plane one of my top 10 favourite!
Wait so keep the 20mm or no
@@T-h-a-t_G-u-y I personally don't take 20mm gun pods. And use IAI belts for 13mm
Without exception, there are no trash aircraft, only people who are trash with it.