But u have to admit Rodgers is overrated it's unbelievable how he hasn't been put in the same sentence as peyton Manning guys who win a lot of MVPs and regular season games but only one ring and lots of playoff losses except Manning was even far superior and incredibly feared
Skip Bayless says "if you take out the miracle 3 game run to go the superbowl, Aaron Rodgers is 3-7 in the playoffs." Why are we excluding the performance of Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs that year?? We aren't taking any stats away from Brady? Also, he says Rodgers had a shockingly off year. Lol Rodgers had a better season than 29 out of the 32 starting QB's. Seems like a hater to me
False, packers won 4 games en route to the super bowl and GB's record with Rodgers in the playoffs is 7-6 so I dont know where the 7 comes from. Always has been a hater, same with Lebron. Uses his own bias and vendettas to make predictions for what he wants to happen rather then what really can happen.
skip is a either a moron ( solid debate) or just a hater (also a solid debate). i still remember when he said back in 2012 that RG3 was gonna be a better qb than rodgers lol laughable
+Tupac Amaru Shakur I like the yelling and dramatics. SAS and Skip was perfect together. But Skip doesnt seem like himself. Dont forget that SAS brought something else outta skip that Shannon is NOT gonna bring out. SKIP looks miserable compared to how he used to be. He doesnt like being calm and unphased. HE LOVED what SAS brought outta him and he misses it. I can tell. All true fans of Skip and First Take can tell💯 hes not himself
+MrMike25896 To each his own. Some people like to sit at a table calmly drinking coffee out of a mug and "LITERALLY" laugh like "HaHaHa" 😂 And some people like to drink red bull and crack jokes on each other. SAS is entertaining to ME✋and i think hes funny. I like to laugh. Sports to me is like fun and entertaining. Ill leave seriousness and stress to politics 😂
I like how nobody ever brings up the fact that Brady has always been on a great team has the best coach of all time. Teams win the playoff games too, not just the QBs
+Sukhmeet Sanghera best point I ever heard....he leaves millions on the table to improve the team. People publicly verbally suck him off and he politely doesn't respond and tells them that he's not good. he's a fucking Class Act.
Sukhmeet Sanghera I never said he wasn't a team player. He clearly is. It's football spectators and the media who act like Tom Brady single handedly wins Super Bowls.
I’m a Patriots fan. But damn Skip, not giving credit to Bill? Football is a team sport Bill without Brady or vice versa wouldn’t be what they become. Tom Brady is great, but is not god. You need a good overall team and a good scheme to win in the NFL
The evidence suggests that Brady is more responsible than Bill. By far. Skip actually articulates it quite well in other videos as to why. For once, I agree with him. From a 49ers fan.
aaron rodgers in NFL HISTORY #1 in nfl HISTORY in int%, #1Passer rating (by a wide margin), #1 QBR, and TD to INT ratio (by a wide margin) IN HISTORY! 3rd All time in comp%, 4th in td% (brady and manning 22nd). wayyyy ahead of ALL ACTIVE qb in EVERY category except comp %, fastest player in history to get to 250 TDs. ill leave this here for the fan boys to get mad at. God bless ARod PLAYOFFS 65% completion, 101 passer rating, Td to INT ratio of 3:1 Tom shady PLAYOFFS? 62% completion, 89 passer rating throws 2 Tds to every 1 INT his first 3 SB runs threw 11 tds iin 9 games. CARRIED. only 1td,1int his first SB run~~ brady has better teams to help or bail him out. rodgers outperforms brady but the team falters. skip baseless is a deciever
Exactly. I don't think Skip realizes that that is what people are saying. He is the best QB in the league now. Not all time. But I will respectably disagree, mostly cause I respect the hell out of Brady. Joe Montana is the best
***** I think you are talking about Denver. Since it is proven that they have cheated more and haven't won a playoff game away since the 1990s. Talk about being trash.
If we take out that playoff run he's 3-6. That's literally just basic subtraction. Doesn't mean jack shit. If I take away all of Brady's SB runs he's probably somewhere below .500 too. We can all do math.
For real lol. How you just gon take out his Super Bowl run and say he's 3-6 without it. You just take the whole Super Bowl out of the equation lol? If that's not denial...
Brees is great but just a stat sheet king. He'd rather have a one-dimensional offense so he can get his 400 yards and 4 TDs every week than develop a running game and win games.
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GB and NE have had good defenses, too. It's a team sport. Both a great players, without a doubt, but they get help somewhere, even if that one week or something isn't from their top receiver.
The reason Jordy coming back is so useful because he added that deep threat that no other packers receiver could successfully replace during his time of absence. That limited their playbook to lots of dink and dunk shots as well as slants, curls and occasional fades. Jordy is essential to the success of the receivers, Rodgers is NECESSARY for them to succeed.
ARod was limping in that NFC Championship game what is Skip talking about? He was far from fine. If Aaron Rodgers was 100% that game then Packers would have won because of Russell Wilsons poor QB play.
Agree in a vaccum take Rodgers and Brady out of each system and i would take Rodgers over Brady. Brady is a system QB thats fits perfectly in the Patriots short passing game scheme. But Rodgers talent and skill set can fit in any system. Rodgers can beat you throwing inside the pocket and Rodgers can escape and throw Rockets downfield outside the pocket check the two hail marys out vs Lions and Cardinals. Rodgers stronger arm then Brady. Rodgers more mobile then Brady. As a talent Rodgers better then Brady. Career Passer Rating Rodgers 104 to Brady 96
+reallife935 You are wrong Brady is great enough to go down in history as the best qb to play football. Nobody will remember Rodgers when its said and done. Example nobody remembers Drew Bledsoe everybody remembers Brett Favre
aaron rodgers in NFL HISTORY #1 in nfl HISTORY in int%, #1Passer rating (by a wide margin), #1 QBR, and TD to INT ratio (by a wide margin) IN HISTORY! 3rd All time in comp%, 4th in td% (brady and manning 22nd). wayyyy ahead of ALL ACTIVE qb in EVERY category except comp %, fastest player in history to get to 250 TDs. ill leave this here for the fan boys to get mad at. God bless ARod PLAYOFFS 65% completion, 101 passer rating, Td to INT ratio of 3:1 Tom shady PLAYOFFS? 62% completion, 89 passer rating throws 2 Tds to every 1 INT his first 3 SB runs threw 11 tds iin 9 games. CARRIED. only 1td,1int his first SB run~~ brady has better teams to help or bail him out. rodgers outperforms brady but the team falters. skip baseless is a deciever
undisputed has the more calm discussions, now and then they even agree on topics... with first take its all about disagreeing and interrupting each other, hard to follow at times.
I'm sick of Skip always talking hypotheticals and saying "he almost didn't do it which means technically he could be "3-6" or whatever. He does the same shit with LeBron saying he got lucky about the suspension so he COULD be "2-5". Skip, they won the games they won and that's it. Stop trying to discredit the athletes and act as if their wins aren't valid because they had some luck. When the GSW won the title they didn't play against one healthy PG the whole playoffs, you need luck to win a championship in sports. Dead discussion, just frustrates me when he doesn't give athletes their props and plays the hypothetical to discredit them.
Yeah he always do this with players he don't like lol.... Like lebron oh but thanks to the suspension the momentum changed and they were able to win.. Man golden state had game 6 and 7 and still didn't close that out their were a 73-9 season win team.. No excuses for them at all!!!!
underdog1cc Yeah I agree with you. Also, it's Draymond's fault. He should've been suspended against the Thunder for the same thing (kicking Steven Adams). If he isn't mature enough to stay on the court that doesn't mean that LeBron's title isn't valid, a key player on their team couldn't act right, got suspended for one game then they failed to close it out in the last two games (one being at home).
I couldn't possibly agree with you more. This JOKE of a sports analyst definitely has bias feelings about certain athletes, and when it comes to him trying to debate, he lets his biased feelings get in the way, and he proceeds to DISCREDIT them for their accomplishments, and goes off rambling loads of horse-shit on why this other person THAT HE FAVORS is better, which is EXACTLY what happens here. He clearly doesn't like Rodgers, and would straight up take Tony Romo over Aaron Rodgers... enough said.
Appreciate this comment. He drops the hammer so much on these players, as if injuries aren't a part of the game or as if a championship hasn't been lucked out by some unforseen circumstance. Skip is always talking about those bs "intangibles", well to go his route, Draymond's suspension was Draymond's own fault and weakness as an athlete internally, thus affecting the flow of the game and the outcome of the playoff series. Although I hate to use that reasoning, the fact of the matter is, there's always going to be unforseen circumstances in sports which could affect the outcome of the game.
Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers comparison (All playoff stats) QB Rating: TB 88.0, AR 98.2 Passing Yards: TB 256.7, AR 246.7 Yards per attempt: TB 6.7, AR 7.4 Pass Completion %: TB 62.4, AR 63.8 Pass INT %: TB 2.4%, AR 1.7% Pass TD %: TB 4.7%, AR 5.8% Yeah, Rodgers is such a letdown in the playoffs...... A choker! Tom still has achieved much more than Rodgers, but Skip is insulting people's intelligence saying Brady is 10 times better than Rodgers in the playoffs
Sharpe gives Tom Brady way too little credit, him and Belichick have been a part of by far the most dominant team the past 10 or so years not to mention 4-2 in Super Bowls...Rodgers has 1 super bowl appearance and win. For a game where the main goal is to win Super Bowls how can you not say Brady is better?
This is a different argument if you're considering they're talking about this year and not over their careers. I would probably take Rodgers right now because he's a few years younger and the mobility and skill set but I guess the argument can't really be made until both their careers are over
stephen a and skip had the best chemistry, obviously. this chick is better than molly tho. stephen a has been going off the rails lately. its not really first take anymore. its more like stephen a with some chick show. max is the smartest there but hardly gets any respect from molly and stephen a.
Notice how Tom Brady's losses are 'coulda shoulda' 'near misses' ... but LeBron's WINS are lucky & his losses show how "mentally fragile" he is.... ok.
Aaron Rodgers is a great QB. But I have to agree with skip in that Aaron Rodgers should never be in the same sentence as Tom Brady. At the end of last season Tom Brady was throwing to ONLY gronk. Aaron Rodgers had Devante Adams, Richard Rodgers, and James Jones to throw to. Tom Brady would've loved to be able to throw to them. Tom Brady would've been DANGEROUS with those receivers in the post season.
Just a stat stuffer yet always sits out whenever Green Bay is blowing someone out. He could have broken so many records but he CHOOSES not to. Educate yourself before saying dumb shit.
***** He was a touchdown from breaking the PACKERS record, not the actual record. And after those incompletions he sat out the rest of the game when he really didn't have to.
Skip on Tom Brady: "He came close to having 2 more Super Bowls!" Skip on Aaron Rodgers: "If you ignore the year he played amazing in the playoffs and won the Super Bowl, he hasn't been good in the playoffs." Skip on Tom Brady: "He got the Patriots in position for the field goal kicker to win the game!" Skip on LeBron: "Ray Allen was the one who made the shot! Kyrie Irving was the one who made the shot!" Skip on Twitter a couple days ago: "I hate field goal kicking. 2 good teams fight their guts out for almost 60 minutes and a guy who doesn't really play football loses the game."
Shannon has a point because I'm a packers fan, and people seem to blame Aaron Rodgers for our losses. The issue with this is that our DEFENSE literally falls apart in the post-season when they're on the spotlight. Aaron Rodgers places us in the best position to win, but our defense can't hold it.
Tom is clearly better than Aaron Rodgers. Its not even close. Aaron Rodgers has done nothing since that 1 superbowl. 7-6 in the playoffs, prob going to 7-7 after this year. He just isn't good enough when it matters.
Shannon actually spits facts whereas Skip spits pure and utter BS. I'm glad Shannon isn't letting Skip get away with the shit Skip pulled with SAS on First Take. It's high time someone called this man out on his rubbish.
Yeah but one thing Brady has been better at than Rodgers is developing his Wrs because Edelman was a low round draft pick that is now the best slot wr in the game probably. Gronk was a 2nd round draft pick who's now probably the best TE in the NFL.
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time, his career is almost flawless. However, Aaron Rogers is the most talented quarterback I have ever seen. Rocket arm, elusive and accurate. He is phenomenal. But, I am continually disappointed by him when it matters. Aaron Rogers should have played in more than one Super Bowl, without a doubt. I'm sorry but the way I judge quarterbacks and their rank in history is how they perform under pressure and this is when Aaron Rogers seems to crumble. I like him, obviously SB Ring and MVP is nothing to scoff at but because he does have the talent to do better, I do scoff at him. He could go down as the greatest of all time, but for me Rogers has to win at least 2 more.
granted rodgers did not have the same consistency last year as he did previous years but thats because there were a lot of factors last year. First off, they lose Jordy Nelson a vertical threat, and they have to rely on cobb who is a good receiver but he excels in the slot. The running game was not able to take the pressure of rodgers because lacy put on weight and the running game was not a huge factor considering they had trouble converting on 3rd and short. Including injuries to the O line, rodgers was sacked so many times including in the arizona game where he was sacked 9 times. However people forget that the last two years that rodgers went to the playoffs, his only downfall is not having the ball in over time which is not his fault. The defence is there but they are still growing. the secondary is young and they have to grow but imagine if the packers had won the coin toss in OT against seattle in 2014 or the cards in 2015. aaron rodgers is an offensive weapon and he will make do with the weapons he has, if he got to touch the ball in over time he may have made nfc conference finals last year to say the least. he is underestimated
At the end Skip said, " He'll take Brady over Aaron because he will win more games late." Last I checked who threw two incredible Hail Mary's in the season one of them winning a game and the other forcing overtime in a playoff game. Sharpe is right most GM's would take Aaron Rodgers all day!
skip is hating on rodgers for no reason, brady and manning are once in a lifetime quarterbacks. Just like pele and maradona, messi ronaldo. Favre never won again after 1996, its football, the other teams also get paid to play, it doesn't mean every great qb has to play in 3, 4 superbowls, that's not normal, this is why manning and brady are special
Thank you Shannon! Ive said the same thing about Brady's SB rings. Yes Brady is the best of his generation but Skip acts like Brady won those rings by himself on terrible teams. Brady had top 10 defenses for the first few runs as well as Corey Dillon for 1 of them. Skip always points to rings being the be all end all in this discussion but I would bet money that he would take John Elway over Terry Bradshaw.
I agree! No one wants to talk about how good those defense were. The two Super Bowls he lost to the Giants, the offense scored 14 and 17 points. The defense showed up once again but Brady did not.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
+BeastMode 21 to be clear, Im not saying Rodgers is a better QB than Brady (though I do think he has better physical tools), my point is that Skip's praise of Brady is somewhat irrational. When he compares other QBs to Brady he always points to Brady's Lombardi trophys as the end of the story but he never acknowledges that Brady benefited from his surroundings early on as opposed to being the driving force of those teams. You imply that Corey Dillon was irrelevant...I would counter that 1600 yards & 12tds is far from irrelevant. Also in 2004 the 3rd of Bradys SB wins, the Pats were the 2nd ranked defense in the league. in 2003, they were the 1st ranked defense in the league, and in 2001 they were ranked 6th. Your argument is that Brady was carried in the first SB by the Pats defense but not in the others, yet the defense was better in the other 2 than it was in the first one so how does that make sense? Im not saying Brady isnt great, because he is, but his SB legacy should be taken in context and Skip fails to do that.
First take was dead when Skip left. SAS thought that show was all him. Man SAS thought and prolly still thinks he is better then Skip. I'm sorry all I'm gonna say is who did ESPN give the show too and who called who to be a co-host? Like I said first take was dying and just watching this show for the first 4 minutes I already see first take getting canceled or moved to a different time cause SAS or Max can't compare to Skip. Shannon Sharpe is a great replacement for SAS. I can't tell you how many times I watch first take and would get a headache and then I would realize SAS couldn't shut up for 5 minutes and let Skip talk. So here's to a new era of sport debates and the death of one. SAS is annoying and arrogant to the point I would get headaches. I don't get that type of vibe from Sharpe not yet anyways. Skip made a smart move cause Sharpe>SAS and Skip>Max. I gotta see if SAS or Molly mentions Skip show at all either way watch SAS try to shoot it down in just pure hate. SAS is gonna leave First take watch just cause he knows he's no Skip and Sharpe is about to unseat him. Go back to the radio show or just show up during the NBA finals. Even just doing the finals is to much SAS. SAS a few words of advice for you "less is more". To bad for ya cause you can't beat Skip show and Sharpe is holding his own showing they don't need you. I know Skip and SAS are good buddies in real life but this is business and SAS stock ain't shit compared to Skip. First take will vanish once everyone finds the fox sport channel and like all great things that have to much money fox will put those handcuffs back on. It's only a matter of time and history always repeats itself. Weather it be Game,Movies,or TV money destroys all. To much money creates to much bosses.
bro. i still watch first take... it seems like stephen A smith tries a bit too hard because of the lack of chemistry but first take is still better. this show is boring as fuck lol. i do wish skip was still on first take tho because him and stephen had great chemistry.
McCarthy ain't no chump either. Part of the reason GB didn't do as well was because McCarthy gave up play-calling duties...and they STILL made playoffs.
Coming from GB fan... True Tom is great QB, However we cannot deny Tom's "High-Quality Success" comes from his Team & Coaching Staff, which I must say is superior than GBs. That being said, AR have to be more creative than most QBs, with a up a down team.......So lets say if Tom was the Greenbay QB the last two yrs. he would had been the most sack, threw the most interceptions and probably be out for the season...b/c he doesn't have the legs like AR and the same good linemen has NE.....if AR was on NE the last 2yrs. he would have been thee #1QB without any arguments....with that, both are on the same level..I give TB a slight edge b/c the Staff & Team. I give Aaron more praise b/c what he have been working with since the last SB... GB 2017 SB champs.
Anthony Cameron Najera i wasnt talking about the patriots fucktard, i was talking about the packers. and the packers arent in the same league as the patriots. Sure each won 1 in 10 years but the patriots dont lose like the packers do not in the playoffs. Packers have been choking recently, patriots dont choke.
Rodgers is miles ahead of Brady. TB only has rings and is successful because he has the greatest fucking coach in the history of the NFL including the greatest and most beneficial system along with the perfect set of receivers that fit that system. Oh yeah, he has Gronk too, whom he's an average Andy Dalton without. Stats don't lie.
it's stupid how you say TB ONLY has rings, like isnt that the only thing that matters to all players? and how u say he is successful with BB when brady was the one who won all of those games w/o him the pats are nothing and yes the pats have gronk but the only elite WR brady has ever had was randy moss and only had him a couple years. Arod has Jordy Nelson and ever since that superbowl 45 win the Packers havent been to a superbvowl and Arod is 3-6 in the playoffs. Brady has been to two in that time so stfu, and never put Tom Brady in the same sentence as andy dalton
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL right now. If you were starting a team right now and all the QB are rookies. You have the first pick of your QB, I have a real hard time not picking Aaron Rodgers.
Its fun to come back and hear the classics.
"Shockingly off" Throws 34 touchdowns and 8 interceptions 😂😂😂. Ive missed Skip's delusional ass.
he was that's just how good Rodgers is that was an off year for Rodgers
But u have to admit Rodgers is overrated it's unbelievable how he hasn't been put in the same sentence as peyton Manning guys who win a lot of MVPs and regular season games but only one ring and lots of playoff losses except Manning was even far superior and incredibly feared
Give me skip over Max Kellerman any day
HAHAHHAHAHA Me too.....
The impressive thing about those numbers that Aaron Rodgers got those numbers by playing backyard football since the play calling sucks.
Skip Bayless says "if you take out the miracle 3 game run to go the superbowl, Aaron Rodgers is 3-7 in the playoffs."
Why are we excluding the performance of Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs that year?? We aren't taking any stats away from Brady? Also, he says Rodgers had a shockingly off year. Lol Rodgers had a better season than 29 out of the 32 starting QB's.
Seems like a hater to me
False, packers won 4 games en route to the super bowl and GB's record with Rodgers in the playoffs is 7-6 so I dont know where the 7 comes from. Always has been a hater, same with Lebron. Uses his own bias and vendettas to make predictions for what he wants to happen rather then what really can happen.
Skip hates Rodgers because Rodgers took Favre's job.
Skip beats off thinking about Favre.
To put it mildly, he's in love with Favre.
Skip has picked against the Packers in the playoffs every game since 2011 playoffs
He seems like it t because he is one
Skip loves Brady
skip would take Tim Tebow, johnny manziel & RGIII over Aaron Rodgers so I don't take what he says seriously when it comes to the best QBs
no he wouldnt
skip is a either a moron ( solid debate) or just a hater (also a solid debate). i still remember when he said back in 2012 that RG3 was gonna be a better qb than rodgers lol laughable
its really not.
i dont understand why quarterbacks are judged by their rings. a team wins a superbowl, not a quarterback.
Bradshaw has 4 rings, while Marino and Kelly have none. Would you Take Bradshaw over those 2??? No, no you wouldn't.
I'm a Pats fan but Rodgers is definitely the best QB in the league. It's close but I'll give him the edge.
Rodgers not better than Brady
+JonnyBoy An intelligent, rational thinking one, unlike you.
Only because he's younger
Your not a real Patriots fan then. What has he done to make you think he is better than Brady. Im with skip on this one Aaron has to show me.
Yeah, and we are talking about now, not all time. It is obvious Brady is better than Rodgers all time, but currently, no.
I like Skip & Shannon more than Stephen A & the Banana Republic model guy
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Yeah this a breath of fresh air ... There's no yelling or any of those stupid sounds in this
+Tupac Amaru Shakur I like the yelling and dramatics. SAS and Skip was perfect together. But Skip doesnt seem like himself. Dont forget that SAS brought something else outta skip that Shannon is NOT gonna bring out. SKIP looks miserable compared to how he used to be. He doesnt like being calm and unphased. HE LOVED what SAS brought outta him and he misses it. I can tell. All true fans of Skip and First Take can tell💯 hes not himself
+Power Magnetic yea he seems unhappy or not him self he misses his SAS
+MrMike25896 To each his own. Some people like to sit at a table calmly drinking coffee out of a mug and "LITERALLY" laugh like "HaHaHa" 😂 And some people like to drink red bull and crack jokes on each other. SAS is entertaining to ME✋and i think hes funny. I like to laugh. Sports to me is like fun and entertaining. Ill leave seriousness and stress to politics 😂
It funny how skip is criticizing Rodgers but praise Romo
...and Tim Tebow.
I like how nobody ever brings up the fact that Brady has always been on a great team has the best coach of all time. Teams win the playoff games too, not just the QBs
+Sukhmeet Sanghera best point I ever heard....he leaves millions on the table to improve the team. People publicly verbally suck him off and he politely doesn't respond and tells them that he's not good. he's a fucking Class Act.
Sukhmeet Sanghera I never said he wasn't a team player. He clearly is. It's football spectators and the media who act like Tom Brady single handedly wins Super Bowls.
I’m a Patriots fan. But damn Skip, not giving credit to Bill? Football is a team sport Bill without Brady or vice versa wouldn’t be what they become. Tom Brady is great, but is not god. You need a good overall team and a good scheme to win in the NFL
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WOW dude exactly, Brady is good but he's not a god he's had some great teams especially on defenses and great offensive lines and definitely coaching
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The evidence suggests that Brady is more responsible than Bill. By far. Skip actually articulates it quite well in other videos as to why. For once, I agree with him.
From a 49ers fan.
Aaron Rodgers GOAT...FAXXXXX
sounds like you need to go thru the concussion protocol
One Superbowl win and you think he's the GOAT?
U on that good stuff
aaron rodgers in NFL HISTORY
#1 in nfl HISTORY in int%, #1Passer rating (by a wide margin), #1 QBR, and TD to INT ratio (by a wide margin) IN HISTORY!
3rd All time in comp%, 4th in td% (brady and manning 22nd).
wayyyy ahead of ALL ACTIVE qb in EVERY category except comp %, fastest
player in history to get to 250 TDs.
ill leave this here for the fan boys to get mad at. God bless
ARod PLAYOFFS 65% completion, 101 passer rating, Td to INT ratio of 3:1
Tom shady PLAYOFFS? 62% completion, 89 passer rating throws 2 Tds to every 1 INT
his first 3 SB runs threw 11 tds iin 9 games. CARRIED. only 1td,1int his first SB run~~
brady has better teams to help or bail him out. rodgers outperforms brady but the team falters. skip baseless is a deciever
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Rodgers is best qb at the moment but Brady is best QB of all time
Exactly. I don't think Skip realizes that that is what people are saying. He is the best QB in the league now. Not all time. But I will respectably disagree, mostly cause I respect the hell out of Brady. Joe Montana is the best
So if you're talking about post season wins then Eli is better than Marino
no, im the best QB of all time
Brady is GOAT
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Facts!
***** I think you are talking about Denver. Since it is proven that they have cheated more and haven't won a playoff game away since the 1990s. Talk about being trash.
That belongs to Joe Montana.
brady sucks
If we take out that playoff run he's 3-6. That's literally just basic subtraction. Doesn't mean jack shit. If I take away all of Brady's SB runs he's probably somewhere below .500 too. We can all do math.
Actually he would be 10-9 which is insane considering you are taking away 4 superbowl runs
For real lol. How you just gon take out his Super Bowl run and say he's 3-6 without it.
You just take the whole Super Bowl out of the equation lol?
If that's not denial...
If you take away Micheal Jordans six rings he is no better than Dominique Wilkins. LMAO!!!!
That is true. Shannon was right about Brady's early superbowls. Coulda gone both ways.
i agree Tom#1.
People are sleeping on Drew Brees who has lead in multiple QB categories without any great receivers
Making and breaking records with no names ! #Whodat
He not in this conversation
Brees wanted more money and hasn't done nothing in 6 years? yeah right
He is not the best in the league right now.
Brees is great but just a stat sheet king. He'd rather have a one-dimensional offense so he can get his 400 yards and 4 TDs every week than develop a running game and win games.
Skip still on the drugs he was on at first take lol
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they better hope jordy is 100 percent
He needs good players too, as Tom also needs Gronk and/or Edelman.
GB and NE have had good defenses, too. It's a team sport. Both a great players, without a doubt, but they get help somewhere, even if that one week or something isn't from their top receiver.
Not really. As long as he is there, Rodgers will play way better. They just need Jordy to shift every one else back to their best spots
The reason Jordy coming back is so useful because he added that deep threat that no other packers receiver could successfully replace during his time of absence. That limited their playbook to lots of dink and dunk shots as well as slants, curls and occasional fades. Jordy is essential to the success of the receivers, Rodgers is NECESSARY for them to succeed.
ARod was limping in that NFC Championship game what is Skip talking about? He was far from fine. If Aaron Rodgers was 100% that game then Packers would have won because of Russell Wilsons poor QB play.
Dude Rodgers CHOKED get over it. Rivers with a torn ACL played better than him.
But he wasnt 😃
BeastMode 21 I am a Chargers fan so I'm happy about that but he was clearly limping.
Legionofboom12 Yes he was, you're a Seahawks fan so slight bias I assume?
***** get over ,the Seahawks won fair and square
Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers on the PAts? 7 Super bowls already. Best arm in the league...And a terrific athlete.
But Brady is better. Brady does more with less
Except Rodgers CHOKES..... C'mon kid you got more sense than that.
Brady is better...
Agree in a vaccum take Rodgers and Brady out of each system and i would take Rodgers over Brady. Brady is a system QB thats fits perfectly in the Patriots short passing game scheme. But Rodgers talent and skill set can fit in any system. Rodgers can beat you throwing inside the pocket and Rodgers can escape and throw Rockets downfield outside the pocket check the two hail marys out vs Lions and Cardinals. Rodgers stronger arm then Brady. Rodgers more mobile then Brady. As a talent Rodgers better then Brady. Career Passer Rating Rodgers 104 to Brady 96
+reallife935 You are wrong Brady is great enough to go down in history as the best qb to play football. Nobody will remember Rodgers when its said and done. Example nobody remembers Drew Bledsoe everybody remembers Brett Favre
Shannon's replies to Bayless are something to behold. the looks he gives are priceless, lol
aaron rodgers in NFL HISTORY
#1 in nfl HISTORY in int%, #1Passer rating (by a wide margin), #1 QBR, and TD to INT ratio (by a wide margin) IN HISTORY!
3rd All time in comp%, 4th in td% (brady and manning 22nd).
wayyyy ahead of ALL ACTIVE qb in EVERY category except comp %, fastest
player in history to get to 250 TDs.
ill leave this here for the fan boys to get mad at. God bless
ARod PLAYOFFS 65% completion, 101 passer rating, Td to INT ratio of 3:1
Tom shady PLAYOFFS? 62% completion, 89 passer rating throws 2 Tds to every 1 INT
his first 3 SB runs threw 11 tds iin 9 games. CARRIED. only 1td,1int his first SB run~~
brady has better teams to help or bail him out. rodgers outperforms brady but the team falters. skip baseless is a deciever
Tom 4 chips
Mel D
played longer. was carried to his first 3, helped by the tuck rule as well.
bradshaw has 4 chips so is he better than marino?
Who carried? Drew collapsed lung?
Tom Brady.
Mel D
3 top 5 defenses, i gave you his pathetic stats during his first run. dont pretend
Good Ol' Troll Skip😂😂😂
I'm sick and tired of you saying that was a catch or Romo is top 5
undisputed has the more calm discussions, now and then they even agree on topics... with first take its all about disagreeing and interrupting each other, hard to follow at times.
TOM BRADY IS THE GOAT.
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Nope. Patriots are the greatest cheaters of all time. Spygate. Deflategate. Tom Brady is a cupcake.
W - jets fan
Skip Bayless logic... Brady is better because of Team Accomplishments.
Bayless is the most bias analyst ever.
Shannon just owned Skip :) Love this show!
I'm sick of Skip always talking hypotheticals and saying "he almost didn't do it which means technically he could be "3-6" or whatever. He does the same shit with LeBron saying he got lucky about the suspension so he COULD be "2-5". Skip, they won the games they won and that's it. Stop trying to discredit the athletes and act as if their wins aren't valid because they had some luck. When the GSW won the title they didn't play against one healthy PG the whole playoffs, you need luck to win a championship in sports. Dead discussion, just frustrates me when he doesn't give athletes their props and plays the hypothetical to discredit them.
Yeah he always do this with players he don't like lol.... Like lebron oh but thanks to the suspension the momentum changed and they were able to win.. Man golden state had game 6 and 7 and still didn't close that out their were a 73-9 season win team.. No excuses for them at all!!!!
underdog1cc Yeah I agree with you. Also, it's Draymond's fault. He should've been suspended against the Thunder for the same thing (kicking Steven Adams). If he isn't mature enough to stay on the court that doesn't mean that LeBron's title isn't valid, a key player on their team couldn't act right, got suspended for one game then they failed to close it out in the last two games (one being at home).
I couldn't possibly agree with you more. This JOKE of a sports analyst definitely has bias feelings about certain athletes, and when it comes to him trying to debate, he lets his biased feelings get in the way, and he proceeds to DISCREDIT them for their accomplishments, and goes off rambling loads of horse-shit on why this other person THAT HE FAVORS is better, which is EXACTLY what happens here. He clearly doesn't like Rodgers, and would straight up take Tony Romo over Aaron Rodgers... enough said.
King of woulda, coulda, shoulda. Skip is in his own world and not in reality.
Appreciate this comment. He drops the hammer so much on these players, as if injuries aren't a part of the game or as if a championship hasn't been lucked out by some unforseen circumstance. Skip is always talking about those bs "intangibles", well to go his route, Draymond's suspension was Draymond's own fault and weakness as an athlete internally, thus affecting the flow of the game and the outcome of the playoff series. Although I hate to use that reasoning, the fact of the matter is, there's always going to be unforseen circumstances in sports which could affect the outcome of the game.
Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers comparison (All playoff stats)
QB Rating: TB 88.0, AR 98.2
Passing Yards: TB 256.7, AR 246.7
Yards per attempt: TB 6.7, AR 7.4
Pass Completion %: TB 62.4, AR 63.8
Pass INT %: TB 2.4%, AR 1.7%
Pass TD %: TB 4.7%, AR 5.8%
Yeah, Rodgers is such a letdown in the playoffs...... A choker!
Tom still has achieved much more than Rodgers, but Skip is insulting people's intelligence saying Brady is 10 times better than Rodgers in the playoffs
I was good with Sharpe...until he said, "...better than Walsh." Ouch. lol
Damn Skip just does not like my boy....that baaaaad man Aaron Rodgers.
People worship Aaron Rodgers mostly due to Fantasy football and stat nerds.
I honestly like skips role here way more. I like that Shannon seems to genuinely respect him and they have more rational debates.
Four years later, Rodgers ran the table in 2016.
Sharpe gives Tom Brady way too little credit, him and Belichick have been a part of by far the most dominant team the past 10 or so years not to mention 4-2 in Super Bowls...Rodgers has 1 super bowl appearance and win. For a game where the main goal is to win Super Bowls how can you not say Brady is better?
This is a different argument if you're considering they're talking about this year and not over their careers. I would probably take Rodgers right now because he's a few years younger and the mobility and skill set but I guess the argument can't really be made until both their careers are over
Skip is better than Max but First Take is better because I love the chemistry of Stephen A and Max
What chemistry?
I dont think they have the same chemistry but I'll still take first take for now
stephen a and skip had the best chemistry, obviously. this chick is better than molly tho. stephen a has been going off the rails lately. its not really first take anymore. its more like stephen a with some chick show. max is the smartest there but hardly gets any respect from molly and stephen a.
3Nerdy yea I think stephan A tries too much to be a character than actually debating
+3Nerdy 1st take could easily be better if Stephen A would shut the hell up when Max is talking.
what time is this on tv?
9:30-12:00
+Cruzan26 2 hrs and 30 mins....damn must be hella commercials
*_lol skip is such a troll._*
I like Max more than Skip and Shannon more than SAS , and Molly more than Joy, so first take wins for me but undisputed is still fun to watch
Let's see Rodgers at 39. Brady has had 6 extra seasons
7 actually, but you definitely have a great point!
Tom brady was killin at Rodgers age too....
Skip you're out there making Shannon Sharpe seem like a reasonable human being. Come on man.
the Manning & Brady era has made us so spoiled, we expect every qb to be that great now.
Notice how Tom Brady's losses are 'coulda shoulda' 'near misses' ... but LeBron's WINS are lucky & his losses show how "mentally fragile" he is.... ok.
That's the mentality of Skip Bayless for ya.
skips loves sucking on brady/romo/manziel/tebow. its pitiful to watch sometimes.
Skip is the realest.
I lost my mind when he said Belichick is better than Walsh
Aaron Rodgers is a great QB. But I have to agree with skip in that Aaron Rodgers should never be in the same sentence as Tom Brady. At the end of last season Tom Brady was throwing to ONLY gronk. Aaron Rodgers had Devante Adams, Richard Rodgers, and James Jones to throw to. Tom Brady would've loved to be able to throw to them. Tom Brady would've been DANGEROUS with those receivers in the post season.
Finally somebody spit some logic at Skip. Skips going to have a hard time with Shannon
best qbs of all time in their prime
1. A-Aron rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. brett Favre
4. Peyton manning
5. Michael Vick
Why is the ESPN First Take channel already stealing your content?
those channels aren't official, they're just random guys uploading vids. this one is real i think but the other ones have already started to pop up
Rodgers is just a stat stuffer, nothing more
Exactly and a bad attitude
Just a stat stuffer yet always sits out whenever Green Bay is blowing someone out. He could have broken so many records but he CHOOSES not to. Educate yourself before saying dumb shit.
Agreed
Brady at 39 is the best quarterback in the league
***** He was a touchdown from breaking the PACKERS record, not the actual record. And after those incompletions he sat out the rest of the game when he really didn't have to.
It was a shockingly off year for Green Bays play calling.
Skip on Tom Brady: "He came close to having 2 more Super Bowls!"
Skip on Aaron Rodgers: "If you ignore the year he played amazing in the playoffs and won the Super Bowl, he hasn't been good in the playoffs."
Skip on Tom Brady: "He got the Patriots in position for the field goal kicker to win the game!"
Skip on LeBron: "Ray Allen was the one who made the shot! Kyrie Irving was the one who made the shot!"
Skip on Twitter a couple days ago: "I hate field goal kicking. 2 good teams fight their guts out for almost 60 minutes and a guy who doesn't really play football loses the game."
Shannon has a point because I'm a packers fan, and people seem to blame Aaron Rodgers for our losses. The issue with this is that our DEFENSE literally falls apart in the post-season when they're on the spotlight. Aaron Rodgers places us in the best position to win, but our defense can't hold it.
Skip is a talker.....talkers make me thirsty
bring me oneathose cheekins
+Luke Bulson (eLUKEtric Sonic) make that 2 chickens
I've been blown away with Shannon so far he has done way better than I thought......CBS must of just made him look bad and silenced him.
Tom is clearly better than Aaron Rodgers. Its not even close. Aaron Rodgers has done nothing since that 1 superbowl. 7-6 in the playoffs, prob going to 7-7 after this year. He just isn't good enough when it matters.
But it took Brady ten years to win another superbowl , That's a huge gap"
+STAND YOUR GROUND! and a bad call ....
+STAND YOUR GROUND! He went to two SuperBowls rodgers hasn't done that
Axel Minani But Rodgers never lost a superbowl.
STAND YOUR GROUND! He did lose against the Seahawks in the nfc in the championship games
thanks
I agree with Skip
I thought this was a 2/1 hour show...so there should be appx 100 minutes worth of video..but there's 25-30 mins?
Shannon actually spits facts whereas Skip spits pure and utter BS. I'm glad Shannon isn't letting Skip get away with the shit Skip pulled with SAS on First Take. It's high time someone called this man out on his rubbish.
sounds like a Jordan VS LeBron argument
man i miss my boy skip on first take
SKIP IS RIGHT.
Yeah but one thing Brady has been better at than Rodgers is developing his Wrs because Edelman was a low round draft pick that is now the best slot wr in the game probably. Gronk was a 2nd round draft pick who's now probably the best TE in the NFL.
"Tom Brady is the greatest postseason quarterback in NFL history," but Joe Montana is the greatest QB ever. Huh?
They give Rodgers so many passes
gotta put some respect on Belicheck's name
Shannon is so correct. Skip and Stephen A always focus on the QB and fail to analyze the other factors... Like the other 10 players on offense.
Lombardi was the best coach ever, that is a fact.
overrated coach
+Echo 5 Championships in 1 decade with a team HE put together is overrated??? Mmkay then...
I hope it's GB vs NE Super Bowl then Aaron Rodgers can shut skips mouth..
7-6 but if u take out his super bowl run he is 3-6??? Stupid comment by skip
Sheesh 6 years later and skip was dead on right about Aaron Rodgers 😂
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time, his career is almost flawless. However, Aaron Rogers is the most talented quarterback I have ever seen. Rocket arm, elusive and accurate. He is phenomenal. But, I am continually disappointed by him when it matters. Aaron Rogers should have played in more than one Super Bowl, without a doubt. I'm sorry but the way I judge quarterbacks and their rank in history is how they perform under pressure and this is when Aaron Rogers seems to crumble. I like him, obviously SB Ring and MVP is nothing to scoff at but because he does have the talent to do better, I do scoff at him. He could go down as the greatest of all time, but for me Rogers has to win at least 2 more.
Flacco is the Post-season GOAT..
It's not about Brady vs. Rogers. It's just that Belechick is the GOAT. I truly think if Hoodie was Roger's coach, Rogers would have 3 rings by now.
The only people who operate on hypotheticals are those who have a very weak argument.
I'm with Skip n this one...
granted rodgers did not have the same consistency last year as he did previous years but thats because there were a lot of factors last year. First off, they lose Jordy Nelson a vertical threat, and they have to rely on cobb who is a good receiver but he excels in the slot. The running game was not able to take the pressure of rodgers because lacy put on weight and the running game was not a huge factor considering they had trouble converting on 3rd and short. Including injuries to the O line, rodgers was sacked so many times including in the arizona game where he was sacked 9 times. However people forget that the last two years that rodgers went to the playoffs, his only downfall is not having the ball in over time which is not his fault. The defence is there but they are still growing. the secondary is young and they have to grow but imagine if the packers had won the coin toss in OT against seattle in 2014 or the cards in 2015. aaron rodgers is an offensive weapon and he will make do with the weapons he has, if he got to touch the ball in over time he may have made nfc conference finals last year to say the least. he is underestimated
Why does skip hate Rodgers so much lol
It's not that Rodgers is bad in the post season, it's just that his defense becomes non existence.
skip no one is saying Aaron is better all time he's better right now and will probably end up the GOAT
At the end Skip said, " He'll take Brady over Aaron because he will win more games late." Last I checked who threw two incredible Hail Mary's in the season one of them winning a game and the other forcing overtime in a playoff game. Sharpe is right most GM's would take Aaron Rodgers all day!
skip is hating on rodgers for no reason, brady and manning are once in a lifetime quarterbacks. Just like pele and maradona, messi ronaldo. Favre never won again after 1996, its football, the other teams also get paid to play, it doesn't mean every great qb has to play in 3, 4 superbowls, that's not normal, this is why manning and brady are special
Thank you Shannon! Ive said the same thing about Brady's SB rings. Yes Brady is the best of his generation but Skip acts like Brady won those rings by himself on terrible teams. Brady had top 10 defenses for the first few runs as well as Corey Dillon for 1 of them. Skip always points to rings being the be all end all in this discussion but I would bet money that he would take John Elway over Terry Bradshaw.
I agree! No one wants to talk about how good those defense were. The two Super Bowls he lost to the Giants, the offense scored 14 and 17 points. The defense showed up once again but Brady did not.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
No. Brady only had one super bowl he was carried by the defense(2001) and that's it. You saw how many points Brady has to score just to win the game. Corey Dillon for 1 season are you kidding me? Dillion didn't throw the football to take the league that was Brady. Rodgers isn't in the same league as Brady.
+BeastMode 21 to be clear, Im not saying Rodgers is a better QB than Brady (though I do think he has better physical tools), my point is that Skip's praise of Brady is somewhat irrational. When he compares other QBs to Brady he always points to Brady's Lombardi trophys as the end of the story but he never acknowledges that Brady benefited from his surroundings early on as opposed to being the driving force of those teams.
You imply that Corey Dillon was irrelevant...I would counter that 1600 yards & 12tds is far from irrelevant. Also in 2004 the 3rd of Bradys SB wins, the Pats were the 2nd ranked defense in the league. in 2003, they were the 1st ranked defense in the league, and in 2001 they were ranked 6th. Your argument is that Brady was carried in the first SB by the Pats defense but not in the others, yet the defense was better in the other 2 than it was in the first one so how does that make sense? Im not saying Brady isnt great, because he is, but his SB legacy should be taken in context and Skip fails to do that.
First take was dead when Skip left. SAS thought that show was all him. Man SAS thought and prolly still thinks he is better then Skip. I'm sorry all I'm gonna say is who did ESPN give the show too and who called who to be a co-host? Like I said first take was dying and just watching this show for the first 4 minutes I already see first take getting canceled or moved to a different time cause SAS or Max can't compare to Skip. Shannon Sharpe is a great replacement for SAS. I can't tell you how many times I watch first take and would get a headache and then I would realize SAS couldn't shut up for 5 minutes and let Skip talk. So here's to a new era of sport debates and the death of one. SAS is annoying and arrogant to the point I would get headaches. I don't get that type of vibe from Sharpe not yet anyways. Skip made a smart move cause Sharpe>SAS and Skip>Max. I gotta see if SAS or Molly mentions Skip show at all either way watch SAS try to shoot it down in just pure hate. SAS is gonna leave First take watch just cause he knows he's no Skip and Sharpe is about to unseat him. Go back to the radio show or just show up during the NBA finals. Even just doing the finals is to much SAS. SAS a few words of advice for you "less is more". To bad for ya cause you can't beat Skip show and Sharpe is holding his own showing they don't need you. I know Skip and SAS are good buddies in real life but this is business and SAS stock ain't shit compared to Skip. First take will vanish once everyone finds the fox sport channel and like all great things that have to much money fox will put those handcuffs back on. It's only a matter of time and history always repeats itself. Weather it be Game,Movies,or TV money destroys all. To much money creates to much bosses.
how much you wanna bet you wrong. how much?
+Dallas Mayfield 2.5m cause I won't be. First take will be gone by the end of the NBA finals.
+Carlos Rivera Jr This show SUCKS! I be you were posting during the show lol I can actually get through the segments on FIRST TAKE. This show is dead
bro. i still watch first take... it seems like stephen A smith tries a bit too hard because of the lack of chemistry but first take is still better. this show is boring as fuck lol. i do wish skip was still on first take tho because him and stephen had great chemistry.
+mritizwatitiz i agree. Skip and SAS was a good pair. They both had dramatics. Its like there new co hosts are to even keeled lol Blah
McCarthy ain't no chump either. Part of the reason GB didn't do as well was because McCarthy gave up play-calling duties...and they STILL made playoffs.
Coming from GB fan... True Tom is great QB, However we cannot deny Tom's "High-Quality Success" comes from his Team & Coaching Staff, which I must say is superior than GBs. That being said, AR have to be more creative than most QBs, with a up a down team.......So lets say if Tom was the Greenbay QB the last two yrs. he would had been the most sack, threw the most interceptions and probably be out for the season...b/c he doesn't have the legs like AR and the same good linemen has NE.....if AR was on NE the last 2yrs. he would have been thee #1QB without any arguments....with that, both are on the same level..I give TB a slight edge b/c the Staff & Team. I give Aaron more praise b/c what he have been working with since the last SB... GB 2017 SB champs.
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Packers 2017 Super Bowl champions!
thats what they say every year then defense does something very wrong late in the game..
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Anthony Cameron Najera i wasnt talking about the patriots fucktard, i was talking about the packers. and the packers arent in the same league as the patriots. Sure each won 1 in 10 years but the patriots dont lose like the packers do not in the playoffs. Packers have been choking recently, patriots dont choke.
Ask defenses who is the best QB in the NFL...
Rodgers is miles ahead of Brady. TB only has rings and is successful because he has the greatest fucking coach in the history of the NFL including the greatest and most beneficial system along with the perfect set of receivers that fit that system. Oh yeah, he has Gronk too, whom he's an average Andy Dalton without. Stats don't lie.
it's stupid how you say TB ONLY has rings, like isnt that the only thing that matters to all players? and how u say he is successful with BB when brady was the one who won all of those games w/o him the pats are nothing and yes the pats have gronk but the only elite WR brady has ever had was randy moss and only had him a couple years. Arod has Jordy Nelson and ever since that superbowl 45 win the Packers havent been to a superbvowl and Arod is 3-6 in the playoffs. Brady has been to two in that time so stfu, and never put Tom Brady in the same sentence as andy dalton
Average Andy Dalton without Gronk? You need to take your medicine... seriously
he went to 4 Superbowls before Gronk idiot
Brady ain't shit without bill
Skip it's a team sport! Brady 75% on the credit and Belichick only 25% for the Patriots success you're nuts.
Pats super Bowls were not defensive struggles 32-29 vs the Panthers is a defensive struggle?
Top 3: Brady, Rodgers, and Big Ben
Amen sharpe and skip
This is way better than First Take!
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL right now. If you were starting a team right now and all the QB are rookies. You have the first pick of your QB, I have a real hard time not picking Aaron Rodgers.
The only guys that should be mentioned with Brady are ......MONTANA and BRADSHAW....
***** EVER SEE HIM PLAY ON YT? He was a stud and ALWAYS CAME THROUGH... 4 rings baby are 4 rings.
Well you just proved you're a Pats fan.
"Its a players game."
What is the point of her being there? I mean, she's not even using the computer!