Another interpretation that I heard concerning the “Grieving Period” was that her captor could make sure she wasn’t already pregnant. If she had her period, he would know that the next baby she had would be his.
Considering how much emphasis was put on lineage (including that “test” if a husband suspected one of his fertile property may be carrying the fruit of another), I doubt that the month was for grieving. Noting the “period” of time, I agree that the above interpretation is more likely.
I was just about to comment on that. This is what I understood about the 30-day waiting period as well. God couldn't care less about women and their grief.
@@soactingIt is interesting how ancient Greece, where women were not exactly at all equal, dedicated some of its best literature to the grief of women. Hecuba gets to feature as the lead in a tragedy, as do the Trojan Women as a whole. Antigone is about a woman making a choice and while she pays for it, it her story and we are meant to empathize. Even early on, The Iliad has this. While Helen absolutely gets the short end of the stick (the text does on occasion remember it was not her fault but it is not usually that understanding) Andromache’s grief over the loss of Hector is poignant and heartrending. Her farewell scene with her husband is a pocket of genuine human feeling, made all the more impressive as they are Trojans. The bible has none of this. The closer it comes to it is Esther and that’s a short book as it is. The NT does have women doing things but never do they have the primacy of Antigone.
When I was in 7th grade, I was attending a catholic school and our language arts teacher got pregnant. She was married and catholic and they still almost wouldn’t let her keep working during her pregnancy because the pregnancy would be visible to us. This was in like 1999-2000. The only reason why she was allowed to keep working was because we all cried to our parents - because Mrs Caldwell was the only secular leaning teacher in our grade, and was effectively just a normal teacher because of that. Versus the two nuns that taught us math and science that were horrible cruel people.
I am currently binge-reading histories of near-east civilisations; Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, and Persia. And, *NO* the ancient Jews were not better, kinder, more decent in their treatment of enemy civilians, captive females, their own wives and daughters, slaves etc. The details varied, but on average they were pretty much the same as everyone else. The biggest difference, I suspect, is that the Jews mostly didn't mistreat their captives because in reality they weren't the all-conquering, genocidal barbarians depicted in the Bible, because they just weren't that powerful.
That remains one of the funniest things about the book. It is by and large one elaborate cope session. "Yeah dude! We totally destroyed Jericho!" Meanwhile Jericho was sacked at least a thousand years before their cultural group even began. Later they thought they could oppose Roman rule and got their cheeks clapped so hard it took two thousand years to recover and they accidentally spawned a new religion in the confusion. Absolute clown town.
@@rainbowkrampus It's so pathetic that they _wanted_ to be worse, and their God told them to be, but they just failed. Nothing in any of this suggests they were in communication with an all-knowing benevolent entity.
It's hilarious how they lie about what great conquering assholes they were. They brag about destroying a hundred cities and raping a million women and committing genocide and slavery for three thousand years and building the pyramids. in reality they were a no-name group of bandits and raiders with no territory, no great cities, no cultural impact, and kicked out of every single nation for being so barbaric and backwards for four thousand years. If Christianity hadn't became Roman, they would have been like all their other neighboring religions- a footnote in history
@@Cat_Woods Something funny I realized while reading recently. By all accounts these texts were largely developed among the priestly classes within Israelite society across the various periods of their existence. So like, yeah it's cope. But it's cope from social elites who were living in their own little bubble for most of the history of the Israelites. The average Israelite probably wasn't even aware of the contents of these texts until around the 3rd century BCE. These priests were posting into the void only to be read by their self congratulatory friends. They were the Elon Musks of their day.
Oh they mistreated people just the same as every other Semitic and Arabic group. They gleaned that “wipe the wretched foreigners all out till the last infant” crap from Egypt. And every one else.
I mean, if your captor has the bronse-age equivalent of a 6-figure income, is over 4 cubits tall, and has a 6-pack, then who cares if he slaughtered your entire family and took you captive.
I was told as a six year old after having been raped by some random guy at a church that me having been raped was my fault. That I must’ve done something horrible to attract such a punishment from god. Then I was forced to forgive the perpetrator. I remember when I did so, I felt like I had chained myself up instead of actually dealing with it. But that’s exactly what I was taught to do. No buddy from the church cared about helping me with the trauma I experienced. So I almost committed suicide when I was in middle school. Luckily I didn’t. But it sadly took till the pandemic before I truly began deconstructing the religion after my church at the time literally kicked me out of the youth group and told me I couldn’t go back. That church had no young adult groups at all. And soon they acted like they never even knew me. Stopped getting in contact with me. They had practically abandoned me. So yeah I’m really happy I no longer believe in a god that fucking orders his followers to forgive and forget about the abuse that they are not consensual to. Still working through a lot of it, but I have come a long way since. I just hope others learn what I learned, in my eyes, too late: Constant forgiveness, is enabling. And I will not enable abuse or absolute disrespect for no reason. That is inappropriate and immature behavior. I will not stand for it.
Im so sorry ,, your mother and father should have taken matters into their own hands to protect you ,,at all costs. Horrific lack of morals they have..
Thank you for this one GG. Thinking in terms of "black and white" can be very dangerous, especially when it comes to human rights. There exists physical and emotional abuse and violence within marriage and no one deserves to be forced to withstand this, whether it was a long time ago or today. There also continues to be victim blaming. Your statement of putting your head in the sand is a good analogy or as I refer it to as "living in a bubble."
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Death with Dignity as a human right? I think it should be available for everyone who wants out of life, regardless of diagnosis or pain because it can prevent future disease or injury. I would take this if I could.
I can remember my horror at the indefensible in that Bible. But I can also remember being trained to gloss over it, to explain it away, to contextualize as "Hey, this was a big improvement." But why couldn't the bible god not simply "improve" things, but exercising the ideal. I mean, the whole urgent mixed fabrics issue was made clear enough.
A horrifying question just popped into my head: what if she WAS already knocked up when she was captured? What happened to her pregnancy/eventual baby????
Other religions definitely treated women much better at the time. The Cherokee have been a matriarchal society as long as anyone can measure. It shocked them to see how the colonizers devalued and oppressed the white women. Colonizers wrote about their egalitarian view of men, women, and the traditional third gender role, often called two-spirit now, and that domestic and sexual violence was almost non existent.
I always feel like giving an Apologist a slap when they claim that they are the ones with "Absolute Moral Values. Then excuse their God every time He violates them. Unfortunately, my feeble "Subjective Moral Values" stop me from doing it. Doh!
Yes, absolute and "objective" morals that are dictated by a subject, namely God.... and then interpreted and applied subjectively by people. When I realized the difference between systems was really that theists just don't critically examine their foundation and lack a course correction mechanism, it was like realizing the emperor has no clothes
@@mistylover7398 It’s true. The morality of western civilization is built from Christianity. Where do you think all the moral laws we take for granted came from?
14:40 At my job we are required to return to work the next day after a loved one dies. While we mught technically be allowed to leave "at will", that is often not the case. If we go without work for even a few days it could mean not making our rent or having food to eat.
Thank you for not mincing words. "Different roles but equal" is just as wrong and oxymoronic as "separate but equal". And consent is indeed black and white, you either have it or you don't.
I always find it jarring hearing women defending and attenuating the biblical instructions regarding the treatment of women during those days (and ours, too). I can only hope they have some gnawing doubts about god's ability to create and maintain a world in which those barbaric proclivities do not need to exist. And remember, that wouldn't interfere in anyone's free will.
Me, too! As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is built on the back of misogyny and all kinds of sexual assault for no other reason than women were unable to give informed consent going all the way back to Eve, then the patriarchs, judges, and kings... All the way into the new testament with Mary.
The more I study the Bible and watch superb videos like yours (by superb I mean, articulate, fair, decent, honest, wise etc.) the more I’m convinced of the incoherent, mess of Christianity.
I've never understood that particular justification, that "compared to the times" it was better. If you're trying to teach humanity to do good, why stop at "a little better" and not teach them what is actually right? On that note as well, why does the Bible not warn us of the evils of unfettered capitalism? Surely God would know a better way for us to structure our society, so why isn't it in there? Obviously, it's not in there because "God" had nothing to do with it and it could only contain what people of the time were aware of, but still, that is a good question to ask if God is supposed to be outside time and all knowing.
Like Stephen Fry asked in the Intelligence Squared debate on whether the Catholic church is a force for good, "Then what are you FOR?" If your excuse for colluding with Nazis and enabling abusive priests to continue to hurt children is just that everyone else was doing the same, then you are clearly not a moral force.
That one month time was to make sure the woman had a period and wasn't carrying a child of the slain. I mean, how else besides an invasive grope would you tell in the battlefield someone's sexual status???
A good presentation Granny (although calling you that when I am about the same age seems wrong somehow). As I listened to them I was drawn to what I have heard the scientology escapees talk about: how that horrible excuse for anything tells it's followers that is something bad happens to them, they must have brought it on themselves. They were not "clear" and their weakness caused whatever befell them. Getting the victim to victim-blame themselves! So at least in that way (am maybe a lot more) this lot are just as bad as that horrible, family-destroying, cult of scientology!
Lots of theists *really* want you to change your standards of morality, but never give any good reasons for doing so. Why would I, someone who cares about the pain and suffering of others and wants to see them happy and healthy, switch my moral standard to one that says the violence of the Bible is okay? Accepting the justifications of genocide/rape apologists runs directly counter to what I advocate for, and what I wish to see. Theists often fail to realize that it is *impossible* for the God they describe to have any sort of justification that meets my standard of good. As such, I will never be convinced of their God's goodness, nor will I surrender my sense of empathy and morality to their religion, which turns the concept of "good" into something I simply have no reason to aspire to. What's the point of being godly if the ultimate standard of godliness, God himself, is doing things I find intolerable, to achieve ends I find undesirable or subpar? The Abrahamic religions get rather Newspeak-y with the way they redefine colloquial understandings of justice and morality to support ideas people would reject if they truly understood what those ideas meant and how badly they conflict with their values.
Among Latter-day Saints the priesthood power is required for all of the most important leadership positions, including the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles. Local bishoprics and stake presidencies are also priesthood positions. Since only men can have the priesthood, that means that all of these positions are limited to men only.
These people can sit around for half an hour explaining how the Bible wasn't written as a handbook for morals by an eternal perfect god but rather by the people of its time, and then turn around and say "but actually it's the word of god".
You get the sense that the panel is almost on the right track but not quite getting there. Maybe one day they will. They need to watch your videos GG, that might help! Oh, and f..k you Kate lol.
“We know there are problems with Charles Manson’s leadership style, but he told us we have no choice, so it’s up to us to understand why what he did was good.”
Many reasons I’m not Christian is because one I understand doing something wrong like murder and being punished for it but if we don’t choose the right religion we’ll go to hell….imagine this. Mom-“you know I love you but if you don’t love me sacrificing everything for ME, then I’ll burn you in the fire place intill you beg for mercy” that’s abuse but it’s not abuse when it’s a god….again I’m curious about this I ain’t trying to bash people. I am pagan eclectic pagan it also makes me upset that people can tell me everything I believe in is fake in demonic when I have a relationship like they claim about their god…
I find original podcast quite unlistenable. These young ‘apologists’ are unbelievably smug and know little of the real world. Listening to them ‘explain’ away rape rape of captives is just nauseating. I do love the bobbing smiling heads - makes them sound even more deluded.
This reminds me, Godless Granny, have you per chance seen the interview with William Lane Craig that Alex O Connor did concerning the Canaanite genocide? Because it's pretty horrifying and made me lose all respect for WLC. I can't jokingly call him "Low Bar Bill" anymore because that feels like letting him off the hook for statements like "Well those slaughtered kids went to heaven so really it's fine ". B
God is the "great teacher." If we (think) we see god commit or allow atrocities, it is much easier for us humans to commit our own atrocities. It also makes many of us make irrational arguments or "to strain at a gnat" to justify our beliefs. No judgment, as I did a lot of rationalization to justify my Mormon beliefs. Compare the dissent in Olmstead v. United States (Supreme Court) (the government is the "great teacher" so when the government itself breaks the law, it "breads contempt for the law"). For example, the Bible convinced my Mom that her children should be physically beat (she beat me a lot, but she genuinely thought beatings were right). I don't remember my dad ever laying a hand on me, but he would take his anger out on inanimate objects. If I fell off a chair, he might break the chair. My dad was a racist because he was a Mormon and Mormonism taught racism is good, and such teachings were still prevalent when I was a teenage Mormon.
I've been particularly entertained recently by the amount of content regarding morality by apologists who then jump through more hoops than a show dog in a circus, arguing that those `objective morals from God` don't apply to God. Perhaps someone should explain to them what "objective" means.
I only have one reason I believe in God and don’t even bother looking at reasons not to believe in God. I went to God by Faith after almost dying at the hands of those involved with the occult and God spared me dying at their hands. I WILL never FORGET what GOD did for me that very traumatic Halloween Eve where I could of just easily died at the hands of others in my disgusting reprobate state of one who didn’t care if I lived or not. And God took me in when God could have said depart from me and be on your way as I laid there dying. You can’t imagine the trauma I was going through laying there feeling my soul wanting to leave my very skinny drug induced body and I asked laying there being beaten if God was real because I didn’t want to die at such a early age. And God responded and I was able to get up and walk out as if I wasn’t even there. I honestly don’t know why they stopped beating me and I thought they were my friends. But it was as if God allowed them not to see me. Maybe it was the LSD that allowed them not to see me as I was taking acid as well. It was very surreal being able to just walk away bloodied and beaten from my so called friends who were really not my friends at all.. I got home and I honestly don’t even know how long it took me to walk home. But I got home and my Mother was the only one still awake that dreadful night and I remember telling my mom I was tired of this life I was living and wanting some help and she suggested I call this number and I called it and this person talked me through how to become a Born Again believer in God and the persons voice kept changing from male to female as if a demonic Spirit was trying to keep me from finding God and my Mother was rebuking whatever spirit was keeping me from hearing this man speak to me. And finally through it all I said the sinners prayer and almost immediately I felt water as if it was going right through me from my head to my feet and it’s beyond description. I opened my eyes and it’s as if the whole room was lit up with a very bright white light.. I WILL NEVER FORGET IT !! Never ever.. and 40 plus years later I still believe by Faith and through it all God has been there for me and if God can be there for me, God can be there for anyone else. I try to tell people the good news but I know it’s hard to believe this story but I have shared it at a college setting as well. I wish everyone could not have to worry about anything and I wished at times I could take the place of others going through traumatic experiences and if you ever met me you would see I am just a simple person daring to believe in God and consider myself not above others and spend my life helping others as best I can. To each his own.
So in other words you praise this virtual being because - although it is said to be all-powerful etc. - obviously watched indifferently while you were f*cked up, both by your friend and your drug abuse. And then, after *you* pulled yourself together and walked home and then your mother had nothing better to do than to introduce you to some a-hole who, in best religious fashion, turned this upside down into claiming that somehow by sitting at the sideline this do-no-good called god somehow "saved" you. If it exists this abusive god-thingy brought you into this shit first - only to be hailed as the hero for "saving" you afterwards. I mean, someone else claimed that it was god who did so (and being under drugs prolly didn't hurt...), it's not that you ever hat a personal encounter or so. So basically if it exists it acts very much like those firefighters who start fires themselves only to be perceived as true heros when they come back to fight the fire afterwards. Well, as you said - to each his own.
@@davidrexford586 So what? I am posting on my phone as well. See the paragraph break? Absolutely no one will read your wall of text. Paragraph, ask the baby jebus about it.
Don't worry, the distaste is directed specifically at the Christians who express the kinds of ideas given in this video. It's not intended to paint all Christians as alike or distasteful. Just expressing distaste for certain specific but common Christian beliefs.
I can't believe just how apalling this stuff is. I wanted to try reading the Bible cover-to-cover, but I'm glad to have abandoned that idea like the lazy fuck I am. This is so abhorrent that I can never, EVER see myself supporting these ideas.
Another interpretation that I heard concerning the “Grieving Period” was that her captor could make sure she wasn’t already pregnant. If she had her period, he would know that the next baby she had would be his.
Considering how much emphasis was put on lineage (including that “test” if a husband suspected one of his fertile property may be carrying the fruit of another), I doubt that the month was for grieving. Noting the “period” of time, I agree that the above interpretation is more likely.
I was just about to comment on that. This is what I understood about the 30-day waiting period as well. God couldn't care less about women and their grief.
@@soactingIt is interesting how ancient Greece, where women were not exactly at all equal, dedicated some of its best literature to the grief of women.
Hecuba gets to feature as the lead in a tragedy, as do the Trojan Women as a whole. Antigone is about a woman making a choice and while she pays for it, it her story and we are meant to empathize.
Even early on, The Iliad has this. While Helen absolutely gets the short end of the stick (the text does on occasion remember it was not her fault but it is not usually that understanding) Andromache’s grief over the loss of Hector is poignant and heartrending. Her farewell scene with her husband is a pocket of genuine human feeling, made all the more impressive as they are Trojans.
The bible has none of this. The closer it comes to it is Esther and that’s a short book as it is. The NT does have women doing things but never do they have the primacy of Antigone.
When I was in 7th grade, I was attending a catholic school and our language arts teacher got pregnant. She was married and catholic and they still almost wouldn’t let her keep working during her pregnancy because the pregnancy would be visible to us. This was in like 1999-2000. The only reason why she was allowed to keep working was because we all cried to our parents - because Mrs Caldwell was the only secular leaning teacher in our grade, and was effectively just a normal teacher because of that. Versus the two nuns that taught us math and science that were horrible cruel people.
I am currently binge-reading histories of near-east civilisations; Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, and Persia. And, *NO* the ancient Jews were not better, kinder, more decent in their treatment of enemy civilians, captive females, their own wives and daughters, slaves etc. The details varied, but on average they were pretty much the same as everyone else. The biggest difference, I suspect, is that the Jews mostly didn't mistreat their captives because in reality they weren't the all-conquering, genocidal barbarians depicted in the Bible, because they just weren't that powerful.
That remains one of the funniest things about the book. It is by and large one elaborate cope session.
"Yeah dude! We totally destroyed Jericho!" Meanwhile Jericho was sacked at least a thousand years before their cultural group even began.
Later they thought they could oppose Roman rule and got their cheeks clapped so hard it took two thousand years to recover and they accidentally spawned a new religion in the confusion.
Absolute clown town.
@@rainbowkrampus It's so pathetic that they _wanted_ to be worse, and their God told them to be, but they just failed. Nothing in any of this suggests they were in communication with an all-knowing benevolent entity.
It's hilarious how they lie about what great conquering assholes they were. They brag about destroying a hundred cities and raping a million women and committing genocide and slavery for three thousand years and building the pyramids. in reality they were a no-name group of bandits and raiders with no territory, no great cities, no cultural impact, and kicked out of every single nation for being so barbaric and backwards for four thousand years. If Christianity hadn't became Roman, they would have been like all their other neighboring religions- a footnote in history
@@Cat_Woods Something funny I realized while reading recently. By all accounts these texts were largely developed among the priestly classes within Israelite society across the various periods of their existence.
So like, yeah it's cope. But it's cope from social elites who were living in their own little bubble for most of the history of the Israelites. The average Israelite probably wasn't even aware of the contents of these texts until around the 3rd century BCE.
These priests were posting into the void only to be read by their self congratulatory friends. They were the Elon Musks of their day.
Oh they mistreated people just the same as every other Semitic and Arabic group. They gleaned that “wipe the wretched foreigners all out till the last infant” crap from Egypt. And every one else.
Kate accidentally implying it's okay to be enslaved if your captor is handsome😬
I mean, if your captor has the bronse-age equivalent of a 6-figure income, is over 4 cubits tall, and has a 6-pack, then who cares if he slaughtered your entire family and took you captive.
I don't think it was accidental, and it certainly wasn't implied when looking at the context of the statement
That's the plot of most harlequin romance novels
I was told as a six year old after having been raped by some random guy at a church that me having been raped was my fault.
That I must’ve done something horrible to attract such a punishment from god.
Then I was forced to forgive the perpetrator.
I remember when I did so, I felt like I had chained myself up instead of actually dealing with it.
But that’s exactly what I was taught to do.
No buddy from the church cared about helping me with the trauma I experienced.
So I almost committed suicide when I was in middle school.
Luckily I didn’t.
But it sadly took till the pandemic before I truly began deconstructing the religion after my church at the time literally kicked me out of the youth group and told me I couldn’t go back.
That church had no young adult groups at all.
And soon they acted like they never even knew me.
Stopped getting in contact with me.
They had practically abandoned me.
So yeah I’m really happy I no longer believe in a god that fucking orders his followers to forgive and forget about the abuse that they are not consensual to.
Still working through a lot of it, but I have come a long way since.
I just hope others learn what I learned, in my eyes, too late:
Constant forgiveness, is enabling.
And I will not enable abuse or absolute disrespect for no reason.
That is inappropriate and immature behavior.
I will not stand for it.
hope life treats you better from now on.
Thanks for the lies.
@@Kelley_X I hope so too.
I’m doing my best to forge a life I where I can be happy now.
It’s hard, but I’m making progress.
@@TBOTSS what lies..?
Im so sorry ,, your mother and father should have taken matters into their own hands to protect you ,,at all costs. Horrific lack of morals they have..
Thank you for this one GG. Thinking in terms of "black and white" can be very dangerous, especially when it comes to human rights. There exists physical and emotional abuse and violence within marriage and no one deserves to be forced to withstand this, whether it was a long time ago or today. There also continues to be victim blaming. Your statement of putting your head in the sand is a good analogy or as I refer it to as "living in a bubble."
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Death with Dignity as a human right? I think it should be available for everyone who wants out of life, regardless of diagnosis or pain because it can prevent future disease or injury. I would take this if I could.
@@Anubis424242 I don't support it for non-terminal conditions.
So very well done, as usual. ❤
Thank you!
I can remember my horror at the indefensible in that Bible. But I can also remember being trained to gloss over it, to explain it away, to contextualize as "Hey, this was a big improvement." But why couldn't the bible god not simply "improve" things, but exercising the ideal. I mean, the whole urgent mixed fabrics issue was made clear enough.
44:10 - "F*** you kate!" - With or without consent? 😅
She didn't want to sound "harsh," but rape isn't rape if you can pretend you're superior to your victim.
Consent under duress (be raped or die) is fine by Kate because it's on her spectrum. What an awful person she must be.
It wasn't a "grieving period." It was 30 days to make sure that the prisoner of war/sex slave wasn't knocked up already with the enemy's spawn.🙄
A horrifying question just popped into my head: what if she WAS already knocked up when she was captured? What happened to her pregnancy/eventual baby????
Other religions definitely treated women much better at the time. The Cherokee have been a matriarchal society as long as anyone can measure. It shocked them to see how the colonizers devalued and oppressed the white women. Colonizers wrote about their egalitarian view of men, women, and the traditional third gender role, often called two-spirit now, and that domestic and sexual violence was almost non existent.
I always feel like giving an Apologist a slap when they claim that they are the ones with "Absolute Moral Values. Then excuse their God every time He violates them. Unfortunately, my feeble "Subjective Moral Values" stop me from doing it. Doh!
Yes, absolute and "objective" morals that are dictated by a subject, namely God.... and then interpreted and applied subjectively by people. When I realized the difference between systems was really that theists just don't critically examine their foundation and lack a course correction mechanism, it was like realizing the emperor has no clothes
Imagine having subjective morals that are based on empathy and compassion. How terrible!
Granny is truly the best fighter of this bs, we need to help get her subscribers numbers up
"Pragmatic consent" - The "might makes right" version of consent...
The "you have no right to withhold consent" version of "consent." Also known as pseudo-consent or rape.
Granny: ur morals are much more superior than their god
Yup. Dats true
Even though her morals come from that God?
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn yaaaa nope.
@@mistylover7398 It’s true. The morality of western civilization is built from Christianity.
Where do you think all the moral laws we take for granted came from?
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn from maself.
14:40 At my job we are required to return to work the next day after a loved one dies.
While we mught technically be allowed to leave "at will", that is often not the case. If we go without work for even a few days it could mean not making our rent or having food to eat.
22:38 "largely consensual but coerced" WTF??? Legally, coercion negates consent. Coercion is a type of force!
Thank you for not mincing words. "Different roles but equal" is just as wrong and oxymoronic as "separate but equal". And consent is indeed black and white, you either have it or you don't.
100%
I always find it jarring hearing women defending and attenuating the biblical instructions regarding the treatment of women during those days (and ours, too).
I can only hope they have some gnawing doubts about god's ability to create and maintain a world in which those barbaric proclivities do not need to exist. And remember, that wouldn't interfere in anyone's free will.
Me, too! As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is built on the back of misogyny and all kinds of sexual assault for no other reason than women were unable to give informed consent going all the way back to Eve, then the patriarchs, judges, and kings... All the way into the new testament with Mary.
The “misuse of scripture” bit was comically absurd. You used the Puppy Slayer 5000 to kill puppies? That’s misuse!
The more I study the Bible and watch superb videos like yours (by superb I mean, articulate, fair, decent, honest, wise etc.) the more I’m convinced of the incoherent, mess of Christianity.
Thanks Granny, subbed. Enjoyed your work with Paulogia.👍
Another great clip for the topic of men wanting power is from Matrix 2 movie, where the Oracle tells Neo, "What do all men of power want? More power."
I've never understood that particular justification, that "compared to the times" it was better. If you're trying to teach humanity to do good, why stop at "a little better" and not teach them what is actually right? On that note as well, why does the Bible not warn us of the evils of unfettered capitalism? Surely God would know a better way for us to structure our society, so why isn't it in there?
Obviously, it's not in there because "God" had nothing to do with it and it could only contain what people of the time were aware of, but still, that is a good question to ask if God is supposed to be outside time and all knowing.
Like Stephen Fry asked in the Intelligence Squared debate on whether the Catholic church is a force for good, "Then what are you FOR?" If your excuse for colluding with Nazis and enabling abusive priests to continue to hurt children is just that everyone else was doing the same, then you are clearly not a moral force.
That one month time was to make sure the woman had a period and wasn't carrying a child of the slain. I mean, how else besides an invasive grope would you tell in the battlefield someone's sexual status???
I look forward to your scripted videos every week! Another great one.
You really made me smile with this 44:39 😂
Yep. Those were the 2 words I was thinking!
“Victim blaming” or the other two? (Mine were the other two “**** ****, Kate!”)
@@Kelley_X Definitely the "**** ***, Kate". Though I agree with the victim blaming too.
Love this vid! Love u granny ❤
I love this comment loving the vid! love u Dee, love you gg!
There is no such thing as Coerced Consent. There’s Consent and Rpe.
Love the phantom of the opera snippet ❤ another great video!
Good morning, Granny! I'm excited to start my work morning off with you!
I think they are slowly finding their way out of all of this.
They have the morality of Dennis Reynolds from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Women will consent bc of the "implications".
Bloody Right On!!!!!
A good presentation Granny (although calling you that when I am about the same age seems wrong somehow).
As I listened to them I was drawn to what I have heard the scientology escapees talk about: how that horrible excuse for anything tells it's followers that is something bad happens to them, they must have brought it on themselves. They were not "clear" and their weakness caused whatever befell them. Getting the victim to victim-blame themselves!
So at least in that way (am maybe a lot more) this lot are just as bad as that horrible, family-destroying, cult of scientology!
Lots of theists *really* want you to change your standards of morality, but never give any good reasons for doing so. Why would I, someone who cares about the pain and suffering of others and wants to see them happy and healthy, switch my moral standard to one that says the violence of the Bible is okay? Accepting the justifications of genocide/rape apologists runs directly counter to what I advocate for, and what I wish to see. Theists often fail to realize that it is *impossible* for the God they describe to have any sort of justification that meets my standard of good. As such, I will never be convinced of their God's goodness, nor will I surrender my sense of empathy and morality to their religion, which turns the concept of "good" into something I simply have no reason to aspire to. What's the point of being godly if the ultimate standard of godliness, God himself, is doing things I find intolerable, to achieve ends I find undesirable or subpar?
The Abrahamic religions get rather Newspeak-y with the way they redefine colloquial understandings of justice and morality to support ideas people would reject if they truly understood what those ideas meant and how badly they conflict with their values.
Abraham never was.
Islam doesn't bother when it gets into power.
44:10 🔥
Those were, in fact, the two words i was thinking!
that's a lot to think about. 🤔
2:16 Catholics just tell you that all of the old testament is stories. There is still some bad stuff in the new testament though.
They acknowledge the atrocities in the Bible but, choose to ignore them. The only way they can continue to follow their cult leaders. 🤬
History, in the bible, = zero.
Among Latter-day Saints the priesthood power is required for all of the most important leadership positions, including the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles. Local bishoprics and stake presidencies are also priesthood positions. Since only men can have the priesthood, that means that all of these positions are limited to men only.
These people can sit around for half an hour explaining how the Bible wasn't written as a handbook for morals by an eternal perfect god but rather by the people of its time, and then turn around and say "but actually it's the word of god".
I need GG's "Fuck you, Kate" triple threat turned into a dubstep song.
Yeah wow. I don't remember what I thought I was getting into with this video, but it wasn't this. Really, Kate?
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30:40 - And here comes the cherry-picking....
You get the sense that the panel is almost on the right track but not quite getting there. Maybe one day they will. They need to watch your videos GG, that might help! Oh, and f..k you Kate lol.
I'm wondering if each one is thinking "my goodness, this is awful" but is unwilling to speak out due to peer pressure.
@@ziploc2000 Yes absolutely, not wanting to be banished from the group!
“We know there are problems with Charles Manson’s leadership style, but he told us we have no choice, so it’s up to us to understand why what he did was good.”
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Many reasons I’m not Christian is because one I understand doing something wrong like murder and being punished for it but if we don’t choose the right religion we’ll go to hell….imagine this. Mom-“you know I love you but if you don’t love me sacrificing everything for ME, then I’ll burn you in the fire place intill you beg for mercy” that’s abuse but it’s not abuse when it’s a god….again I’m curious about this I ain’t trying to bash people. I am pagan eclectic pagan it also makes me upset that people can tell me everything I believe in is fake in demonic when I have a relationship like they claim about their god…
I find original podcast quite unlistenable. These young ‘apologists’ are unbelievably smug and know little of the real world. Listening to them ‘explain’ away rape rape of captives is just nauseating. I do love the bobbing smiling heads - makes them sound even more deluded.
This reminds me, Godless Granny, have you per chance seen the interview with William Lane Craig that Alex O Connor did concerning the Canaanite genocide? Because it's pretty horrifying and made me lose all respect for WLC. I can't jokingly call him "Low Bar Bill" anymore because that feels like letting him off the hook for statements like "Well those slaughtered kids went to heaven so really it's fine ".
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Yes. I've used portions of it. I plan to release a short later today w/ a bit & the "Throw Out You're Bibles" song.
@@GodlessGranny I must have missed that. Thanks for responding.
Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, is the constellation Scorpio. The Canaanites are commonly associated with the five constellations in Revelation 9.5.
God is the "great teacher." If we (think) we see god commit or allow atrocities, it is much easier for us humans to commit our own atrocities. It also makes many of us make irrational arguments or "to strain at a gnat" to justify our beliefs. No judgment, as I did a lot of rationalization to justify my Mormon beliefs.
Compare the dissent in Olmstead v. United States (Supreme Court) (the government is the "great teacher" so when the government itself breaks the law, it "breads contempt for the law"). For example, the Bible convinced my Mom that her children should be physically beat (she beat me a lot, but she genuinely thought beatings were right). I don't remember my dad ever laying a hand on me, but he would take his anger out on inanimate objects. If I fell off a chair, he might break the chair.
My dad was a racist because he was a Mormon and Mormonism taught racism is good, and such teachings were still prevalent when I was a teenage Mormon.
I've been particularly entertained recently by the amount of content regarding morality by apologists who then jump through more hoops than a show dog in a circus, arguing that those `objective morals from God` don't apply to God. Perhaps someone should explain to them what "objective" means.
Somehow this is the basis of their morality, which they acknowledge They can't possibly emulate in today's world... Throw out your bibles.
If you had any understanding, you might qualify as someone worth listening to. Secular or carnal Christians cannot discern the things of GOD.
I only have one reason I believe in God and don’t even bother looking at reasons not to believe in God. I went to God by Faith after almost dying at the hands of those involved with the occult and God spared me dying at their hands. I WILL never FORGET what GOD did for me that very traumatic Halloween Eve where I could of just easily died at the hands of others in my disgusting reprobate state of one who didn’t care if I lived or not. And God took me in when God could have said depart from me and be on your way as I laid there dying. You can’t imagine the trauma I was going through laying there feeling my soul wanting to leave my very skinny drug induced body and I asked laying there being beaten if God was real because I didn’t want to die at such a early age. And God responded and I was able to get up and walk out as if I wasn’t even there. I honestly don’t know why they stopped beating me and I thought they were my friends. But it was as if God allowed them not to see me. Maybe it was the LSD that allowed them not to see me as I was taking acid as well. It was very surreal being able to just walk away bloodied and beaten from my so called friends who were really not my friends at all.. I got home and I honestly don’t even know how long it took me to walk home. But I got home and my Mother was the only one still awake that dreadful night and I remember telling my mom I was tired of this life I was living and wanting some help and she suggested I call this number and I called it and this person talked me through how to become a Born Again believer in God and the persons voice kept changing from male to female as if a demonic Spirit was trying to keep me from finding God and my Mother was rebuking whatever spirit was keeping me from hearing this man speak to me. And finally through it all I said the sinners prayer and almost immediately I felt water as if it was going right through me from my head to my feet and it’s beyond description. I opened my eyes and it’s as if the whole room was lit up with a very bright white light.. I WILL NEVER FORGET IT !! Never ever.. and 40 plus years later I still believe by Faith and through it all God has been there for me and if God can be there for me, God can be there for anyone else. I try to tell people the good news but I know it’s hard to believe this story but I have shared it at a college setting as well. I wish everyone could not have to worry about anything and I wished at times I could take the place of others going through traumatic experiences and if you ever met me you would see I am just a simple person daring to believe in God and consider myself not above others and spend my life helping others as best I can. To each his own.
So in other words you praise this virtual being because - although it is said to be all-powerful etc. - obviously watched indifferently while you were f*cked up, both by your friend and your drug abuse. And then, after *you* pulled yourself together and walked home and then your mother had nothing better to do than to introduce you to some a-hole who, in best religious fashion, turned this upside down into claiming that somehow by sitting at the sideline this do-no-good called god somehow "saved" you.
If it exists this abusive god-thingy brought you into this shit first - only to be hailed as the hero for "saving" you afterwards. I mean, someone else claimed that it was god who did so (and being under drugs prolly didn't hurt...), it's not that you ever hat a personal encounter or so.
So basically if it exists it acts very much like those firefighters who start fires themselves only to be perceived as true heros when they come back to fight the fire afterwards.
Well, as you said - to each his own.
@@qwertzundefinedapfel3830 if you don’t have anything good to say don’t bother saying anything
A shame god did not tell you about the paragraph.
@@Nocturnalux good grief.. don’t read it then. I do all my posts by phone.
@@davidrexford586 So what?
I am posting on my phone as well. See the paragraph break?
Absolutely no one will read your wall of text.
Paragraph, ask the baby jebus about it.
You keep saying “Christian”, yet clearly not all Christians are falling under the umbrella of your distaste’s
Don't worry, the distaste is directed specifically at the Christians who express the kinds of ideas given in this video. It's not intended to paint all Christians as alike or distasteful. Just expressing distaste for certain specific but common Christian beliefs.
Granny is off her meds.
And do you believe Jesus agrees with you, Ashley, Kate and Alex?
And you are a bot.
I can't believe just how apalling this stuff is.
I wanted to try reading the Bible cover-to-cover, but I'm glad to have abandoned that idea like the lazy fuck I am.
This is so abhorrent that I can never, EVER see myself supporting these ideas.
And the numerous apologists out there trying to explain away the atrocities are so evidentially and blatantly morally bankrupt.