Reduced cost high horsepower Toyota 2AR engine
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- I spent a bit of time updating the 2AR-FXE build in an attempt to reduce the cost of the build. I ended up making less power than i wanted but i still ended up with some significant cost savings and a lot of potential for even more future cost savings.
2AR-FE performance parts available here: frankensteinmo...
You can join the more detailed discussion on the discord channel: / discord
I think this channel is gonna blow up in 2023 😀 you deserve way more than 10k
The algorithm is a fickle thing. Maybe it'll choose me in 2023, who knows?
Happy new year! Keep the 2AR content coming and we'll keep watching. Thanks for putting your time and effort into further development of this engine.
There will be more coming on this motor, i really hope to reach the 350whp goal sometime in 2023 for the 2AR. That won't be the end of the 2AR developments but it'll be nice to hit that major milestone.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Dangit! LOL. No worries. Just keep doing what youre doing as I want to see 350hp! LOVING THIS!
So would this work with a 2AR-FE? Im asking because I have a 2013 Scion TC Manual Transmission.
So im wondering if the camshafts, valve springs and retainers, and intake manifold from you and nixspeed would work with the stock ECU now.
Another question I have is can I buy your and nixspeed’s intake manifold only, with the stock TB, and install it would I make more power? Would I need to tune for that?
Im asking because I might just get the intake manifold for now, and get everything else once im ready to make that step
2gr FRS/BRZ swap 🎉😢would put you on the map.
Hey Marc, just here showing my support for the updated 2AR cams youre working on for the stock ECU. I would absolutely love to put those in my tC!
I'd love to do this build but here in the the UK I think I'd struggle doing it on a low budget! The engine isn't the problem, the hybrid engines are common and plentiful on eBay. The transmission on the other hand seems to be impossible to find, which means a very expensive import from the US :(
Yeah, unfortunately there's just no good answer for a worldwide easy to use transmission. This swap mostly makes sense for North America and a few other countries. In the UK the 5 speed transmission would make more sense but unfortunately the transmission is slightly bigger so it interferes with the crossmember.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks tha last manual Camry sold in Australia was the 3.0 litre 1MZ-FE. Maybe I should drop that in a Spyder instead
can u use mr2 6spd trans@@FrankensteinMotorworks
@@turbod15 Unfortunately the stock 6 speed transmission will not bolt up to the 2AR-FE
Is there a whole swap kit for this? If so, is it plug and play or does this require cutting and welding? Also, can the swap work with factory dash or so you need the aftermarket one?
yes, it's all at frankensteinmotorworks.com and it does require a bit of firewall hammering but no cutting and welding and there's a body controller that handles all the factory dash and A/C stuff.
What would your thoughts on this motor be for a lightly tuned daily driver?I stumbled across the video you did with Gears and Gasoline and now I'm starting to wonder if it'd be worth swapping it in my e110 corolla?
I know exactly what you're talking about with those huge intake runners actually robbing power at the lower flow numbers your valves and heads can do. I was listening to an old drag racer talk about running Cleveland cylinder heads on his engine build and he actually made more power by filling the intake ports partially with epoxy because it increased the air velocity. Better fuel atomization, better cylinder filling. Odd engine that you might appreciate: he was running a 300 i6 with several Cleveland V8 cylinder heads welded together. He made the holy grail 600+ (>1hp/ci) with that engine back in the early '70s. All home built stuff too. No big money racing team or sponsors behind him. Gentleman by the name of Sherman Sligh.
I can’t wait to see an FXE running on a stock ecu!
Are you aware if the Scion TC manual transmission would swap into a 2ar Camry? Specifically a 2014 when they stopped offering the manual 2ar Camry for some reason
The only difference is the shift levers so you should be able to get the camry levers for relatively cheap from TOyota and swap them into a tC transmission
what sort of mods would you recommend to someone starting out with tuning a 2ar-fe in a 2012 scion tc (mt)? I assume you'd swap for the higher compression pistons from the fxe?
it depends what your ultimate goal is. tell me a bit more about your plans and i can provide tips.
@FrankensteinMotorworks
Am someone else with a similar question. I've a 2013 tc (mt) as a daily driver and have loved it since i got it new. Would like to bump up hp and torque for more spicy daily driving and maybe autocross.
Currently bone stock. Not interested in the turbo route and found your videos very insightful and wonder what could be done. Air intake, camshaft, springs? Would like to keep stock ecu if possible. In general, do as little for as much power without breaking or hobbling my daily 😂. That's all...
So you made 240 whp from a stock 2.5?
It's arguably not really "stock" but it is using 100% stock components without any modifications to the components, just a modification to how they are assembled.
So I've just recently fallen into the pit of Toyota's overbuilt hybrid engines and I love the idea of this 😄 I'm myself planning a 1NZ-FXE swap in my Yaris Verso this spring.
But did I understand correctly that in this you're still using the FXE intake cam? Wouldn't an FE cam give more gains? Or does the VVTi on this engine witch between atkins and otto cycle?
Hey Marc, just curious do you know the size of the stock 2AR-FE injectors?
You're doing excellent work here Marc, I really appreciate it
Do you export to the UK ? And do you have to run the 2ar gearbox or are there others that will do the job?
can't wait to see if the 2ar is capable of 300+ whp with like normal petrol, nothing fancy like ethanol or e85, also you mentioned you have a ported head for it , can't wait to see how much it improves the flow and performance overall
From what i've seen so far i think that the 2AR will be capable of 310whp or so on pump gas before any fancy fuels are used. I'm sure it could do a bit more with a lot more R&D but for my skillset and budget i think 310whp will be about the limit NA with pump gas
Love you Marc! Happy new year brother!!
Do you think by stroking it to 2.7L will move enough air to warrant the your intake?
This is really exciting to me, I don't have much experience with engine swaps so the reduced cost/complexity of going this route is very appealing, even with the lower hp numbers. I'm looking to get myself into a mk3 sometime this year, enjoy it stock for a while, then go for the 2AR swap once it makes sense.
Would the 2ar/1ar head be compatible with the 2ar-fxe block? I’m assuming it doesn’t, but considering you’re trying to build a cheaper option especially for people in markets where the 2ar/1ar doesn’t exist I’m not sure.
Basically would putting a 2ar/1ar head onto a 2arfxe block solve stock ECU issues while achieving a higher compression?
the 1ar-fe, 2ar-fe and 2ar-fxe all have the same block and head, valves and springs.
The issue with the stock ECU is the missing exhaust vvt-i but i will solve it.
ok. now help me put one in my 2009 vibe. please and thank you 🤣
186-205 ft-lbs of torque, 230 whp, lightweight, and easy maintenance: the 2AR-FXE rules!
Hell yeah it does :)
Would the 1TR-FE manifold fit the 2AR-FE they make a supercharger kit for 1TR-FE.
unfortunately it's a very different size motor.
Update? Next episode please!
Unfortunately this motor was moneyshifted at a track day which has delayed future videos but i am building another one soon.
This is awesome work man. This engine build be such a good swap for many platforms. Cheap plentiful engine that could use donor car ecu and harnesses.
Hey Marc, would this be possible on the FE? Just getting another intake cam and switching the vvt gear to a fixed gear and tuning the ecu for it?
There's no reason to delete the exhaust vvt-i. The only reason i'm not using it is because the FXE motor does not come with it and it saves money to not add it back on.
I do have builds with the FE engine going all the way up to 270whp.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Gotcha, I was really interested in seeing if it would work with the stock ecu, I’ve seen your video on the 240whp and 270whp on the FE, I messaged you about it back then and you mentioned the stock ecu may not work due to the poor idle the stock ecu wants to stick to which is 650ish, but if we were to tune the stock ecu to idle at 900, would we be able to use your cams, high rpm accessories, velocity stack maf intake, and exhaust to get 240whp without using the haltec?
pleaseee dyno a 2gr with fxe pistons... ik theres a handful of them out there but no one got numbers
Some has tried this and it turns out the 2AR-FXE pistons don't have enough clearance for the 2AR-FE camshafts. without further modifications the valves contact the pistons.
I should just switch to a 2ar or 2gr literally already have the transmission axles, and shifter linkage sitting in my closet. This would be going into a 1995 mercury tracer so I’m just curious. How much wiring is required to get the engine running in a non-mr2 application: I know I can get a pnp mr2 harness but I don’t have an mr2.
There's some nuance of course but effectively you need about a half dozen fused power sources and a throttle pedal. no external secondary computers are needed other than the engine computer itself.
N/A and +320hp would be.. wow! Happy New Year !!
How fast do you think the engine is going to have to spin to hit 350 wheel on an NA motor? I would love to put one of these in my 2nd gen revving past 8k.
I think I'll be able to get there between 8000 and 8500 rpm.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks is that with boost?? Or all motor? Never realized those engines made that much.
Marc thanks for all you do for the MR2 and Toyota community. You have a brilliant mind.
Has anyone thought of an adapter plate for the 2ar bell housing to have options for a different trans ? Is there a stand alone setup to tune these ?
One of the hurdles for us international folks is that the required gearbox isn't available. I can get the 2ar-fxe from any RAV4 hybrid here in the Netherlands, but they're all 4WD.
Also, since my car is RHD wouldn't that create issues with the throttle pedal?
I'm with you on this
Someone should make an adapter plate for bmw boxes, they are plentiful and cheap here in EU :)
That is a problem for my ZZW30 swap kit but keep in mind i make an SW20 swap kit also and that one uses the stock E153 or S54 or E350 or really, almost any of the e series transmissions. The reason the ZZW30 kit does not use the E series trans is because it is too big to fit without cutting the chassis and requiring chassis trimming & welding reduces the already tiny market by a huge margin.
As for the RHD DBW, talk to Paul Woods from Woodsport, he sells a compatible RHD adapter.
Hi, Marc. First of all - thank you, you are the man!! Your craftsmanship and knowledge and modesty - I appreciate it a lot. Now the question: did you remove the balance shaft assembly from AR engine? If yes - how it affects longetivity? Is there any power gain? Some say the balancers are there only for creature comfort, some say the engine will grenade itself without balance shaft. What's your opinion? Thank you!!
I generally delete the balance shafts, it does not have an effect on engine reliability and in theory it allows more power to make it to the wheels but i have not measured the difference. At a factory 650rpm idle this motor does have a decent vibration without them, i would probably not remove them on a street car.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thank you very much for your reply!
great content man, I wanted to ask you what your thoughts were on a newer swap like a 2ar into a 12th gen corolla? do you think its possible on a budget?
The M20A motor in there is actually a very similar size to the 2AR so it would likely fit relatively easily in there. Electrically it could be a bit of a pain depending on engine electronics integration. I just don't have an answer for that but if i was doing it i'd probably look at an A25A swap instead since it's the same motor with more displacement and should avoid a lot of the other little issues.
Could one do these modifications to a 2.5 Camry? When does the stock auto trans blow up?
There's no difference between this motor and a 2AR-FE in a camry so the modifications would certainly work. Unfortunately i have no idea about the 2nd half of your question, i have zero experience with that automatic transmission.
So what are you using to tune the stock ECU?
This man is a saint. Keep it up, great work you're doing.
that 205tq figure is where its at. this development process has got me fired up. I'm waiting to see how this all plays out before I source my next spyder drivetrain.
Yeah, that 2AR-FXE configuration with the stock intake making 205lb*ft is a hell of a thing. it really pulls quite hard.
Hell yeah Marc! Great work as always. Instant like with multiple accounts and commenting for engagement. Hope you and your family have a great new year.
Thanks, i appreciate it :) 2023 will be a good year.
I’ve been thinking the only reason for me to justify a stand-alone cost is for turbo not a adjusted exhaust cam. Head work cost looks to be still worth it. Haven’t finished it yet I’m guessing. Rooting for a 300 cheap setup.
300whp NA without an aftermarket ECU is going to be a damn stretch. I personally don't see it happening but who knows. weirder things have happened.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I’m 12k deep in a mzr speed6 motor build and have a couple more to go. I’ve been with you since I bought my spider a year ago and dropped rotary’s. (Can you believe I ran on a palm pilot) I don’t really know much else other than hopes and dreams. Stuck down here in Evansville,IN. Happy New year!
Great stuff again! I cheated on my Audi and just put a turbo on it. For tune I have adjustable FPR and bigger injectors. Running the stock ECU and MAF and all that stuff. Went from 175hp to 225hp with 0,4bar and now I´m pushing 0,8bar trough it so it should be somewhere around 285hp. With 1 bar of boost it should be over 300hp, but I´m afraid to push it that far since I have no way of retarding the ignition.
I'm excited for this 2gr build hitting 350 n/a. I was thinking about stuffing a k24/k20 swap in my saturn (due to internal engine upgrade parts being almost non-existent/custom=expensive) so when this one breaks from too much boost, I'm going to put something else in it with some aftermarket. I like turbos, always have and this is my third turbo kit on this one 1997 saturn coupe I have, but I'd really like to have n/a 350. i think I could live with that. :) Rather than the kswap, I'd like to rock the toyota motor. Having said that, do you think once the 350 mark is hit, you'll offer full component packages?
I will make sure that all the parts needed to hit that power level are available. Sometimes i can't always get things at wholesale pricing so some of the parts may simply be part numbers and where to source them but the recipe for this build will be published.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I just bought a 2007 2tr inline four tacoma. Will this be something that can be dropped into my truck?
@@kurtbennett1164 the 2TR is a completely different motor. some parts may be compatible but it's unlikely and i have not checked any of them since the motor does not fit in the MR2.
Started watching your channel because of the innovation with the Hybrid power plant. It's great to see that your not taking a conventional approach, a path that has been taken time and again. I wish you all the success you deserve! Also wanted to see if I could apply anything to 2019 Camry hybrid for fun. As you have stated before, the CVT-E transmission won't take kindly to any additional power adders. I've been able to only locate a tune that would give about a safe extra 15HP from a european tuner site. Basically giving back the power from Toyota derating the engine for hybrid application. I'll enjoy watching your journey instead and stay tuned!
Glad to see your still developing the 2ar
Go on Marc! Big up the 2ar-fxe bargain basement build. Amazing as always.
Yeah, Toyota really did us a favor the way they put this hybrid engine together. They really could have cut costs in a few spots that would have made this engine useless for what i am doing here.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Hey if ported the tune on to a factory ecu I'd buy it... and be a test dummy for tweaks and quirks.
wait, if stock ECU then how tune? 🤯
I've developed my own tools to tune these ECUs.
Tuned in and following this build. Definitely something I’m interested in doing into my 04 Celica with a 1zz.
you are simply convincing me to put that motor into lexus IS xe10 :D
Really wanna 2AR my AW11 but not looking forward to fabricating my own engine mounts
The UA-cam auto generated subtitles said [foreign music] for the Dyno run 😂
Happy new year.
Love this man and his work
Are all your performance parts compatible with the non-hybrid motor? And would they take to an auto transmission just as well?
Does the 2ar bolt up to a 7th gen celica?
no, the 2AR does not share a bolt pattern with the 1ZZ/2ZZ engine. You would need to swap in a different transmission. I don't know if it would fit then, that celica has a very short engine bay. Someone would have to try it to find out.
What type of gasoline is used?
This is just normal gasoline, 92 or 93 octane in the USA. Note that USA octane ratings use the average of the RON and MON rating and other countries calculate octane differently so this is about the same as 98 octane in Europe and also other countries. Essentially it's running whatever the highest octane fuel you can get at a regular gas station.
Hi Marc! I’m curious, in your opinion with your experience, what rpm would you say the factory 2AR valves springs/retainers are good for?
It depends on the cams, the 2AR-FE cams are safe to 7200rpm, the 2AR-FXE cams are safe to 7600rpm.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Got it, so raising the limiter to 7200 on my unopened 2AR-FE should be relatively safe?
@@zev4036 Yes, we've raced the 2AR at that max RPM for years and years. You're good to go.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thats great news, Thank you!
Marc I’m surprised your intake didn’t make more horses than that. I’m betting you will pull more out after you tune the stock ecu. Like all your followers here I can’t wait to see where this will go.
Keep up the great work and happy new year.
Yeah, for sure. i wasn't expecting 30whp like it did on the engine with the much bigger camshafts but i was expecting something. But this is why we do these tests, you just don't know for sure until you try it.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks
The VVTI reacting like it did in your earlier FXE build it’s obvious, as in all hybrid engines it’s not designed for much rpm variance. Even though the FXE has high compression it’s not designed for high rpm. With that in mind I checked and saw the 2ARFXE and the 2AR have the same injectors. Increasing air flow via cams, intake and exhaust will only take you so far. Matching your prior changes with increased fuel injectors may wake up those hidden horses.
Keep up the great work!
@@fredbowman7797 All of my builds i've done so far have all used the 545cc injectors. The issue is just that the intake is severely mismatched with these smaller cams.
Is the wiring similar on the 2nd gen 2 with your factory ecu?
I don't quite understand your question. the SW20 wiring is very different than the ZZW30 wiring but at the end of the way you're still just hooking up a dozen wires or so into the car plus the drive by wire wires.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks That's what I was getting at sorry about my drunk typing.
Machine 4 venturi chokes like a carb to build velocity. You can work out the size . Nice work!
Been looking at my 2012 rav4 and wondering if the 4spd auto trans would be able to take the extra torque if it can hit 350hp at the crank with the supporting injectors, intake, cams, valves and ported heads? Was also looking at GR Corolla technical docs. Saw that the front and rear subframes are borrowing from the 2006-2012 rav4 platform on the GR corolla, so that might be a possible swap?
Honestly i have never touched the automatic transmissions so i really can't give you any information there. but that's a lot more power than stock so it would not be surprising to me if it was too much. But the bolt pattern matches the one on the 2GR-FE so maybe you can switch to the 2GR's transmission? you'd have to ask someone else about the details.
wonder what would happen if u intall your custom cams on the 2arfxe
How much power can you get out of its original engine the 1zz could it get close to 200?
unfortunately i've never worked on the 1zz so i'm really not the right person to ask. In theory there's no reason a 1.8L engine should certainly be able to make 200hp NA but i don't know if it is cost effective on that motor.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks anyways
@@FrankensteinMotorworks so would making this 2ar engine swap be more beneficial? How much would it cost
We used to do the same thing in the 9A/ PL VW 16V engines back in the day as a 'cheat on the cheap,' using an OEM exhaust cam as an intake cam, flipped with a lobe cut off. It was basically a "poor man's 'euro' intake cam." Nearly identical duration. Back then there weren't many tuners/ aftermarket parts to be had so you had to get creative to be competitive. Nice work on this thing, and thank you for sharing it man👍
Yeah, old school performance techniques still have their place. Not everything needs to be expensive :)
Excited to see more in 2023. Happy New Year!
2ar in an elise would be a great combo, who will be the first? :) Or in a light rwd car, though it needs an adapter plate. How tall is this engine, tall like a K engine?
I've never had a K series in my hands but based on pictures it's about 2-3" taller than a k series. The motor has a really good rod ratio but you pay for it in deck height.
This engine is so promising, i love it
Yeah, i can't wait to make more power with this thing.
Did you remove the ballance shaft , or is it doable without adverse affects ?
I've been running without balance shafts for years now with no ill effects. Some people do say that it vibrates a bit more at idle, i don't really notice it but this also isn't a highly refined street car.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks for the reply ... with the 2AR is it just a simple matter of unbolting the ballance shaft and plugging the oil feed ? im more interested in saving weight more than anything ... might even set one up on bike carbs and distributor for a future project .... I have video on my channel of a suzuki m18 and honda r18 ive done previously
@@mohawkc77 Exactly, the hole can be plugged with an 8mm ball bearing hammered in.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks sir.. just might be my new fishing boat engine
Only guy I know releasing great news for the new year lol. Keep up the awesome work!
Fab. Great info. Great Video. Thanks.
Wish someone would do work like this on the 2.0l m20 engine
I love your content! You've made me fall in love with the 3rd gen MR2 and I can't wait for your next release.
Sorry for the delay, it has been a while since a video has been released but i did shoot a new video over the last few days and it will be getting released within a few days.
Hello, I just started doing some research on engines. I would like to know if the 2AR is comparable to the 4AGE? If not, what modern Toyota engine is similar to it? Perhaps the 8AR?
Unfortunately the 2AR falls under Toyota's "medium" size engines and the 4A is a "small" so their bellhousings don't match. I'm not really familiar with toyota's small engine family so i don't know what the biggest small engine is.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Gotcha. Thanks anyway! It might still work though. I'm brainstorming on a GT86\BRZ\FRS build for the future. I would like to swap the flat 4 with an inline 4 with a similar or slightly higher horsepower output
Everyone watching give the video a thumbs up. It gives the channel a chance in the algorithm.
All Hail the Algorithm! :)
Does the timing on your cams match the stock timing in order to run this configuration with your cams/springs?
Although there might need to be some alternate timing on the exhaust cam to ensure the valves don't contact the pistons with the extra lift.
Happy new year! Excited to see what you do next!
wow, if you can offer a 'kit' to swap this into more than MR2's I bet you have a big market. Plenty of cars out there with C/S/E series transmissions, and we know the E will go anywhere the other came from...
The C series transmission has the wrong bolt pattern but it will bolt to most S and E series transmissions as well as the EB and EA transmissions. I'm actually working on a kit to bolt it up to a TL70 transmission right now.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks yes, I know, I meant that the e can go where the c came, in an mk1 or Corolla or mk3 etc, using the 3 trans mounts and the swap axle combo of parts. So you could swap this to those places too, a long with a swap transmission
Now do it with the stock FXE intake!
Nice and well presented
Hey! Do you know the difference between the FE and FXE camshafts?
The FE cams are about 0.5mm taller and the FXE intake cam is about 30 degrees more duration than the FE cams. The FXE exhaust cam is tiny and useless.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Do you know exact duration and lift?
Looking forward to more deep dives!
Love the content keep it coming!
I am seriously considering dropping a 1AR-FE into my 03 Corolla. I have acquired a 1AR short block from a Venza. It is consuming oil like they all do and just needs to be rebuilt. I know a MR2 is not a Corolla. But. What were the challenges you faced doing this swap? Just trying to get an idea what I might be getting my self into. And before anyone says it, yes I know it’s a weird and expensive swap for just a 2003 Corolla but it’s something I think would be cool. I also know the 1AR and 2AR are “different” engines just one has more displacement. But basically they are the same right?
The 1AR-FE and 2AR-FE use the same block and head. all external dimensions are identical so there's really no difference in the swap. the only big issue with the 1AR is how rare and expensive it is, otherwise it's exactly the same.
The only difficulty in swapping the 1/2AR is how tall it is. The second issue is generally ECU but you can just use the ECU i make for the MR2 application and that problem is solved. It should be a relatively reasonable swap.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Yeah my mentor told me the engine height might be a problem. I would probably just cut a hole in the hood to be honest. And yes I’ve been to your website multiple times and I’m planning on using your stuff on there. What about the 2AR cam shafts and springs you sell? Would they work with a 1AR?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I’m also planning on using a 6 speed from the Scion TC unless the 5 speed that my car comes with will some how bolt onto it. Thank you for replying I love your videos I’ve been watching them to get an idea of what this job is gonna be like. I still need to rebuild the engine and I got that covered that’s not the problem it’s just the actual swap that seems like the challenge to me. But I enjoy a challenge. Not trying to make a ton of HP I just wanted a bigger engine in my Corolla the 1zz has a lot of miles on it. but I want it to be reliable for daily driving and still be able to hammer on it every now and then.
@@yaboykris2118 yes, the valve springs and camshafts i sell will work. you will have to check the piston to valve clearance and potentially clock the cams to suit but they can be used.
That interessing now that it can run on stock ecu with both side fxe intake cams make me want to look more into it !
As you say there not enough air that being suck for the big intake runner did you think that with a big air dam that forcd the air in the intake when the car move this could be help and be able to run the big runner intake sure maybe on the dyno it will not gain and will maybe need to be tune on the track when the wind its force in the air dam !?
Keep in mind this is theoretical at this point but i think i can get it done. I will report back if it actually works when i get it done.
Having higher air density at the intake may force the intake into having enough mass flow to start working right but i do have other things i will try working on to fix this problem.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks keep on the good work :)
Excited for this, i know it would be a bit of a stretch to get support for automatic transmissions, but I would love to work this into my tC.
Getting it working on a stock ECU would be the key to making it work with the automatic. So yes, this would help a lot.
Hell yeah
Yeah, i wish the results were better but data is always a good thing and helps future results be better.
Turbo manifold coming soon? More power
I am pushing the NA R&D first, once i'm done with that i will dive into the turbo side of this motor.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks where do you think you'd put a turbo for this application?
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I appreciate your hard work and knowledge on the 2ar. Keep it up 💯
@@Weimerica8841 i would just put it behind the motor. It's a bit more length of plumbing but these modern turbos spool up super fast anyways.
Awesome news. Thanks for the development and sharing knowledge of these possibilities!
What stock ECU do you mean? There's a guy in the UK making a kit to fit a corolla ECU into the mr2 housing for a bolt in mappable ECU conversion rather than stand alone (adding a wideband sensor kit) which would make this REALLY cost effective as we cannot map UK/EU ECUs.
Also with 185lb.ft at the wheels is it possible to keep the mr2 transmission? We also don't get many suitable donors for those and I'd be thrilled with up to 200lb/ft at the wheels normally aspirated for my road car keeping my JDM close ratio 5 speed LSD for extra mechanical advantage.
Cheers
Tyler
I'm talking about the stock 2AR-FE/1AR-FE ECU. I know about the guy you're talking about, he's on our discord server and we've discussed his build quite a bit.
As for keeping the MR2 transmission, it depends which MR2 you're talking about, the SW20 transmission can be kept no problem, the ZZW30 has to be switched out, it will not bolt up to the 2AR and even if it did the torque handling is questionable.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks for the info. Yes I meant ZZW30 like your race car, apologies for the confusion. I know the torque limitations hence I mentioned my modest ambitions for power but thanks for the info. I'll have to figure out an alternative transmission source, maybe one of the modern Toyota boxes is more available nowadays.
I appreciate your feedback and wish you every success with your projects and business!
@@tylerwatts1004 The swap kit available on my website ( frankensteinmotorworks.com ) uses the 2011+ Scion tC 6 speed EB60 transmission. It's a better fit in the chassis and holds the torque just fine.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks yes I've checked it out, but I don't believe that's a readily available transmission out my way. Thanks for the info, I must do some better research myself to find the possible/available options in the UK and plan from there.
Your kits are very well considered and look well made also so thanks for bringing us this solution.
Marc is a gearhead’s gearhead.